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the nature of god [#312]
« on: August 29, 2008, 07:43:39 PM »
Hello from UK.....
Quite a hard-hitting site you have there. Many of us here find the  extremism
and fundamentalism of many sects and believers in the 'States  very
offputting and indeed, dangerous. The bellief in Armageddon and the  'Rapture' etc.
might see us off - if you have the 'wrong' president and so on,  who believes
that 'God' has called him (or possibly 'her') to end the situation  with a
nuclear war - Oh the Rapture as we all depart to the Glory!

On the other hand, some of us find your undefined 'God' (although,
admittedly 'Jehova' or the God of the Bible - with a tiny mention of Allah makes  clear
the limited image you're on about) a little shrunken. Even Einstein had a
'feeling' for the Deism that focussed the vastness and grand vistas of existence
 for him. We know we exist - we did not make the information (vastly complex)
for  the system - the Laws of science, especially Physica - all outside
ourselves.  Some vast structure is there a-priori ... No, I'm not starting to
argue about the God Of Genesis etc. you right on the ball about that ghastly
image, but Buddhism is a 'religion', (no actual god there as such - certainly no
priests...) would you symbolically 'burn that at the stake' as you do the
rotteness of Catholicism, fundamentalism, young Earth creationists etc. etc.?
What about us Pantheists (I'm not a Pantheist as such, but I do not find it
pathologically delusional...) . Do you burn us at the stake too?
I was slightly disappointed that the real ghastlyness of the christian
religion is mainly absent from your thesis. What about the - 'Christian Killing
Fields' (other that all thos babies of the New Testament) as the author Ludovic
Kennedy calls them in his book All In The Mind.
That chapter in Kennedy shocked me to the core - and I thought I knew
something about the sunject! (I knew Geordano Bruno was burned alive at the  stake,
antil his body bubbled and burst sizzling... just to save his soul, as  the
priest murmured prayers near him at the scene. That was just for propagating
the notion that the Universe went on infinitely, and was not just a finite
sphere around Earth. 'How dare you', the Christian authorities said, and burnt
him more or less there and then for this 'heresy'.
But it was the story of the teenager, Chavalier de la Barre who,  walking
along a street in Abbeville, failed to doff his hat because it was  raining, when
a religious procession passed. This was noticed by the religious  'thought
police' and la Barre was arrested for 'blasphemy'. He was found  guilty and
sentenced to have his hands cut off, his tongue torn out with pincers  and then
these with the rest of him burned alive... It was carried out  - as late as
1766, the age of Mozart, Gainsborough....   Voltaire said  he was haunted by the
story for the rest of his life. 'So am I,' wrote  Kennedy.
I felt a lump in my throat and had nightmares too. Whatever was God playing
at - oh sorry, it was us, that sort of God isn't there....
Well, that's enough from me, but a couple of chapters in your spiel like
Kennedy's might shock some readers out of their blind faith in that murderous
god fully invented my men for their own Power and Control freakery - and add to
the imaginary God model yopu espouse. (That last point is one you'll have to
watch - 'religion' is far too powerful an idea for you to destroy - powerfull
 interests need the mass control it generates politically - sexually -
autonomy destruction - in the 'lower classes' or the masses....  You'll be
attacked - maybe destroyed first, before those dangerous power holders give up  ---
so watch it as I say.)

Best rergards,
[Name], Canterbury, Kent UK.  (I'm a scientist, at  least...)

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Re: the nature of god [#312]
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 11:16:40 PM »
Hello from UK.....
Quite a hard-hitting site you have there. Many of us here find the  extremism
and fundamentalism of many sects and believers in the 'States  very
offputting and indeed, dangerous. The bellief in Armageddon and the  'Rapture' etc.
might see us off - if you have the 'wrong' president and so on,  who believes
that 'God' has called him (or possibly 'her') to end the situation  with a
nuclear war - Oh the Rapture as we all depart to the Glory!

Agreed. It's quite off-putting. I can't even begin to imagine how the rest of the world must really view us.

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Even Einstein had a
'feeling' for the Deism that focussed the vastness and grand vistas of existence
 for him.

Fair point, I think.


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  (I'm a scientist, at  least...)

Cool. Of what?
2 miles!
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Re: the nature of god [#312]
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 12:48:49 AM »
What about the - 'Christian Killing Fields' (other that all thos babies of the New Testament) as the author Ludovic Kennedy calls them in his book All In The Mind.

The Inquisition, though dramatic, was numerically piddling compared to all the other atrocities that have been committed in the name of theism.

http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2008/06/anonymous-wanted-body-count-total-so-he.html

(Thanks to Switch for finding this link)

Hey, join up and party with us!

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Re: the nature of god [#312]
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 04:20:08 AM »
Thanks for the inclusion of my post as a visitor, and the comments. What dreadful spelling in my effort! Now, with an almighty and self-correcting God - who must understand English perfectly, (He invented it thro' us) the Almighty Spellchecker should have corrected me; (well, all the absolutely correct Bibles as the Word of God I've seen have been in English, that perfect understanding must be so, because all the originals in Greek, Aramaic and so on were translated and that process must have been perfect for the absolute fundamental Word to have come through unscathed - any errors would have negated the claims to absolutism - whew, what a problem!)
Anyway, I'm a bloke as we say in UK and yes, and a physicist (I couldn't even spell my profession correctly...) So, I ought to pray for forgiveness to Her (er, or Him erm, or It - why do we have to have humam genders for the Infinite Creator of the Universe.)  I had a very devoted Christian aquaintance once who said, "How dare you call God "it"? That amounts to blasphemy...!" Now where did that powerful irrationality come from?
Okay, enough from me waffling on about my own post - and using a bit of sarcasm too.
Best wishes to everyone.
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Re: the nature of god [#312]
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 08:56:18 AM »
"How dare you call God "it"? That amounts to blasphemy...!" Now where did that powerful irrationality come from?

Indeed, I might have asked back, How dare you call it, God. God is not a name. It may be considered a title or a descriptor but certainly not the name.
It, is a much more appropriate thing to call it. IMHO of course.
I am responsible with my actions NOW so I don't HAVE to be responsible for them later.

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Re: the nature of god [#312]
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 09:04:06 AM »
You're a physicist?  Cool, we can use more of those around here.  What is your specialty?
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