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McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« on: August 29, 2008, 12:32:44 PM »
Alaska governor Sarah Palin is apparently a creationist:

http://scienceblogs.com/afarensis/2006/10/27/intelligent_design_and_the_ala/
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The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, 'Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.'
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Asked for her personal views on evolution, Palin said, "I believe we have a creator."
She would not say whether her belief also allowed her to accept the theory of evolution as fact.

She's also a global warming skeptic:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/124640/036/945/578739

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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 12:55:44 PM »
She wants creationism taught in school. Okay, which myths specifically?

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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2008, 01:31:37 PM »
Unforunately, many voters would reply to this conversation like this;

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I can tell, you're one of those 'elites', right?  What's wrong with teaching all sides of the story?

I've pointed out to a few people what's wrong with this type of thinking.  I have told others that they should see what happens in a few years and that they should remember the conversation where I told them to check the details for themselves -- to talk with the scientists.

This anti-intellectualism is nuts.  Sure, don't take someone's word for it just because they have a degree in the subject ... but what's wrong with actually looking to see for yourself and not taking the word of someone who has zero experience?
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2008, 01:34:37 PM »
The theory of evolution is NOT fact.  The fact of evolution is fact.  The fact of evolution is that our ancestors were non-human primates.  The theory of evolution is that this happened as a result of a process of natural selection.

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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 02:07:56 PM »
I didn't say otherwise.
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2008, 02:09:52 PM »
No, but the OP contained a quote that confused the two.

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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2008, 02:26:14 PM »
OK.
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2008, 08:24:32 PM »
I just posted this same thing in the Debates forum (where it should be, not in Science)

Basically McCain is clearly senile, and just sank his own boat.
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 08:30:37 PM »
He's white though.  Bigotry and ignorance have large constituent groups.

Here's my prediction: McCain wins by a 15% margin because bigots and religious fanatics vote and young people don't.
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2008, 06:56:11 PM »
Aren't all the candidates creationist this year?

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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2008, 06:56:08 AM »
That's an interesting point of view for her to have, but seeing as how I'm no longer in school, and I already know creationism is false, I'm a little bit more concerned about the candidates views on taxes, welfare, the supreme court, the economy, and the iraq war.
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2008, 08:43:53 AM »
Here's my prediction: McCain wins by a 15% margin because bigots and religious fanatics vote and young people don't.

I see things different, many evangelists will not vote because of their options. McCain is divorced and has a woman VP, they will say Palin's 17yo daughter would not be pregnant if her mother had taken her biblical role as god had intended. They will not vote for a democrat because of the abortion issue.

I think many woman will vote who may not of because of the abortion issue. Paul White(86) and Ruth Ginsberg (75) are probably the next two to retire from the Supreme Court. A republican president naming two more conservatives to the SC would make 7-2 conservative majority. RoeVWade would disappear.  Americans have short memories though,  I may be wrong. I thought Terry Shiavo case would convince people of the need to separate religion from government but Bush was still re-elected.
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2008, 09:20:13 AM »
Here's my prediction: McCain wins by a 15% margin because bigots and religious fanatics vote and young people don't.

I see things different, many evangelists will not vote because of their options. McCain is divorced and has a woman VP, they will say Palin's 17yo daughter would not be pregnant if her mother had taken her biblical role as god had intended. They will not vote for a democrat because of the abortion issue.

They will suck it up and vote for McCain ... besides, Sarah Palin is one of them while McCain is not.  They can hope that 'God will strike him down'.  Remember: Though it was British politics, they loved Thatcher.  Letting a Muslim, black, Democrat take the oval office would be too much for them.  (Yes, I know he's not a Muslim.  The point is it doesn't matter much what reality is these days.)

I think many woman will vote who may not of because of the abortion issue. Paul White(86) and Ruth Ginsberg (75) are probably the next two to retire from the Supreme Court. A republican president naming two more conservatives to the SC would make 7-2 conservative majority. RoeVWade would disappear.  Americans have short memories though,  I may be wrong. I thought Terry Shiavo case would convince people of the need to separate religion from government but Bush was still re-elected.

I don't think most people believe RvW will go away.  They will be lax and will not vote ... and will complain later.  #uck em.  They should have been paying attention in 2000 and 2004.
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2008, 12:03:55 PM »
I'm just scared.  That's all I can say.  What the f*** am I going to do if McCain is elected?  I was nearly suicidal when Bush was re-elected in '04.  I honestly thought it wasn't possible.  (The fact that I was also having a miscarriage did not help my emotional state.)

Thank goodness I have friends in Canada who will sponsor me and my family if we decide to ditch this place when the sh** hits the fan.
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Re: McCain VP Pick is a Creationist
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2008, 12:20:44 PM »
Well, as they say in Chicago; vote early, vote often.
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