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Normally these go in Mailbag, but this link is particularly interesting because of the author's career. Author's quote of the week: "The wisdom we can learn from the Bible and the knowledge we can acquire from it is far better than the guesses, temporary and partial knowledge of man."
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But one thing is scientifically sure, when a part of the body is amputated; there is no way that it can regenerate. This is known, even to the elementary students of medicine. Therefore, no educated and intelligent Christian will ask the Christian God who ordained everything in its proper place, for a miracle to restore the amputated part of his body. There are a lot of cases of legs to be amputated which were miraculously healed. These are documented in hospitals and laboratories throughout the world.
So if its scientifically sure it can't happen, god can't do it.
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Eliseo Soriano needs to read chapter 5. For believers, it is obvious why so many prayers are answered. In the Bible, Jesus promises many times that he will answer our prayers. For example, in Matthew 7:7 Jesus says: Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! Ask and you will receive. What could be simpler than that? In Matthew 17:20 Jesus reiterates that same message: For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. Since a mustard seed is a tiny inanimate object about the size of a grain of salt, it is easy to imagine that the faith of a mustard seed is fairly small. So, paraphrasing, what Jesus is saying is that if you have the tiniest bit of faith, you can move mountains. Jesus says something similar in Matthew 21:21: I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. The message is reiterated Mark 11:24: Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it. Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible. And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen. No matter how many people pray. No matter how sincere those people are. No matter how much they believe. No matter how devout and deserving the recipient. Nothing will happen. The legs will not regenerate. Prayer does not restore the severed limbs of amputees. You can electronically search through all the medical journals ever written -- there is no documented case of an amputated leg being restored spontaneously. And we know that God ignores the prayers of amputees through our own observations of the world around us. If God were answering the prayers of amputees to regenerate their lost limbs, we would be seeing amputated legs growing back every day. How do Eliseo Soriano and other Christians explain this?
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There's a whole lot of fluff and very little meat in that response. He spends most of it elaborating on a bunch of medical science stuff which is interesting and I have no beef with, but it does not seem to be very relevant to the question he's supposedly addressing. Then he lists a bunch of Bible verses which are meant to prove that god is good and atheists are bad enemies, which also seem to be irrelevant to the question.
I guess his main point is that god won't heal amputees because that would be impossible... Ok? Since when is doing something impossible too much for god?
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I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other gods you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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The God of all good characters and morals, being defamed by a bald headed man who understands nothing even himself. Would you believe such a man? Then, go to hell with him! The good reverend should not engage in mockery of the bald. God does not take it lightly! See what He did to the naughty children in the story of Elisha and the bears (2 Kings 2:23-25) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%202:23-25;&version=46;Some Boys Make Fun of Elisha 23Elisha left and headed toward Bethel. Along the way some boys started making fun of him by shouting, "Go away, baldy! Get out of here!" 24Elisha turned around and stared at the boys. Then he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Right away two bears ran out of the woods and ripped to pieces forty-two of the boys. 25Elisha went up to Mount Carmel, then returned to Samaria. The animated version is better: http://www.seanet.com/~billr/xbs/DontdisElisha.htmBobby, Suzy, and their friends find that childish hijinks can have fatal consequences when they make the mistake of teasing the wrong bald-headed stranger.
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Check this out: Anybody thinking can easily notice that there is neither ‘meat’ nor weight in the response coming from these people who believe that God is imaginary. A pinch of law will make people realize that their response is nonsense. I used a bunch of verses, they said, to prove that my God is good. I am thankful they have noticed His goodness in the verses that I have cited; and I have the right to use such verses because I believe in Him who said those words; But under the law of estoppel, not one of these five (5) who responded have the right to use any verse in the Bible because they have denied the existence of God... http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/the-truth-is-god-can-heal-amputees/
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Check this out: Anybody thinking can easily notice that there is neither ‘meat’ nor weight in the response coming from these people who believe that God is imaginary. A pinch of law will make people realize that their response is nonsense. I used a bunch of verses, they said, to prove that my God is good. I am thankful they have noticed His goodness in the verses that I have cited; and I have the right to use such verses because I believe in Him who said those words; But under the law of estoppel, not one of these five (5) who responded have the right to use any verse in the Bible because they have denied the existence of God... http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/the-truth-is-god-can-heal-amputees/My God, I've been breaking the law for years.
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Eliseo Soriano's response is interesting because he completely misses the point. Jesus promises in the Bible to answer prayers. Even impossible prayers. Even prayers that ask a mountain to 'Go, throw yourself into the sea.' Yet Jesus NEVER answers the prayers of amputees. Why is that? Since Eliseo Soriano is the one who posted this photo...  ... we must ask: Why won't Jesus heal this poor woman? Please answer the question Eliseo Soriano. Once you honestly work through the entire chain of logic and answer it, you will realize that God is Imaginary. But, of course, you will never do that.
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Since Eliseo Soriano is the one who posted this photo... ... we must ask: Why won't Jesus heal this poor woman? Please answer the question Eliseo Soriano. Once you honestly work through the entire chain of logic and answer it, you will realize that God is Imaginary. But, of course, you will never do that. If God heal her by miracle then will you people not ask HIM " plz feed us by miracle, we don't like to work ?"
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Allah Exist Otherwise We are not here. Accident Creates nothing but only Intelligent and knowledge creates Something.
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Eliseo Soriano's response is interesting because he completely misses the point. Don't get haughty claiming that Mr. Soriano completely misses the point when you really didn't provide anything worth its salt to disprove him. Yours are empty words now since they are all disproven.
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From his website: But one thing is scientifically sure, when a part of the body is amputated; there is no way that it can regenerate. This is known, even to the elementary students of medicine. This is not quite correct. Numerous studies over the past three decades have shown that mammals, including humans, can regenerate their digit tips provided the amputation plane is distal to the terminal phalangeal joint (Douglas 1972; Illingworth 1974; Borgens 1982; Singer et al. 1987). http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0020232A Google search shows a lot of research in this area: Search
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Estoppel: A legal principle that prevents a person from asserting or denying something in court that contradicts what has already been established as the truth.
"what has already been established as the truth" A reply to why god wont heal amputees involves quoting meaningless scripture without explanation, accusing of us of not thinking, and trying to establish that god belief is an estoppel. It seems you are generally offended by the question, but responding with an emotionally driven attack is not really a reasonably way to conduct a conversation. Please make the case that god belief is an established truth. Again, quoting biblical scripture without an objective way to establish the truth of those claims is fruitless. Try it this way: 1. Make the case that the universe needs a creator 2. Make the case that the creator is infact, a god of some type. 3. Make the case that the creator-god is infact your specific mythological sky god out of the thousands of god beliefs of the present and past.
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The last question could not be avoided,"In the absence of justification for belief, why lie to justify yourself?" - Myself
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Eliseo Soriano says: When the Lord Jesus Christ promised that, in prayers, a believing Christian will be heard by the Father in heaven, and his prayers will be granted, He did not say anywhere in the Bible, that there is a timeframe that God will work His miracles. In fact, God’s promises in the Bible are expected by Christians, not only in this world, but in the world to come. The "timeframe" argument is a classic rationalization. Note what Jesus says in John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it. Of course all of Jesus' miracles were performed on earth, immediately upon Jesus' word or touch. So when Jesus says, "he who believes in me will also do the works that I do" he means on earth, immediately. Obviously. And yet, strangely, nothing ever happens in response to prayer. Ever. Eliseo, did you read this page: Why is the question "Why won't God heal amputees?" so important?The reason why your god NEVER heals amputees is because your god is imaginary.
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Eliseo Soriano says: The established truth, in their side, is this: They do not believe in the existence of God. God to them is imaginary. This is the established truth in their camp. Therefore, by estoppel, they do not have any right to use the words of God they are citing from the Bible because He is imaginary to them. Therefore, His words to them are also imaginary. Imagine, people saying God is imaginary, yet are using words coming from an imaginary God to deny His imaginary existence. Maybe this people are also imaginary. Because of this, we will be wasting our time dealing with imaginary people. Try to refute this logical statement. Why do you people say that Eliseo Soriano's use of verses are without sense and explanation? Can you people not read? Oh, I know. Your hearts and minds have been blinded by God's archenemy and in so doing you have been convinced that God Almighty is imaginary. What a blasphemy! May HE, who is imaginary for you unfortunate people, have mercy on your souls...
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Can you people not read?
Yes we can read. And we can also see the reality before our very eyes. The reality is, amputees are NEVER healed by prayer. This fact directly contradicts what Jesus says about prayer when we read the Bible. Why can you not see reality?
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Ignacious, Obviously, your so-called 'smart' rationalizations can not digest what ESoriano is trying to point out. I pity you! If you genuinely believe in your heart that God is imaginary, why are you using the same Book (BIble) and quote the same words that came from the 'imaginary God' your talking about. This, my friend, total nonsense! This is what ESoriano refers to as estoppel. Got it? I don't think so. Because your to smart to realize such a simple point. Maybe the reason why you keep on using verses from the Bible even though you say that God is imaginary is because deep in your heart, you do believe that there is a powerful being called GOD! Maybe you are just so impatient for God to fulfill his promises, huh? Because if you really do not believe in God's existence, you would also not believe the authenticity of the Bible, thus you will never ever use it. If you do believe that God is imaginary, you would prove it using other proof --- except the Bible! But since you keep on using verses in the Bible, I am getting the impression that you actually, in your subconscious, believe in Him. Another thing, my friend... Full blooded Christian (those that truly follow Christ's doctrines to the dot), amputated or not, do not really give a damn if their body regenerates or not. Genuine Christians, for your information, do not worry about those kind of stuff. Real Christians know and understand that there is a better body waiting for them; a body that will never and can not be amputated again. Biblically literate Christian knows that everything in this world, including the human body, will come to pass. Therefore, our investment is not on the things herein, but the things to come. What advantage does a non-amputee have on an amputee? Amputee or not, we will all have to give up our human body someday soon (and that is written in the same Bible that you are using). What is important is we earn the chance to have a better replacement and not to be thrown in the lake of fire where weeping and gnashing of teeth is (read your Bible). God have done countless marvelous things for mankind since the beginning that letting amputees stay as they are for the meantime does not take away anything from His glory; nor it means that He is imaginary. Lastly, Ignacious, this verse is also written in the same Bible that you are using: [b][/b]The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They acted corruptly, and have worked out abominable wickedness; there is not one doing good. --- Psalms 53:1 www.esoriano.wordpress.comwww.truthcaster.comwww.angdatingdaan.org
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(Joh 3:19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
This verse fit to you Ignacious, if you would just be honest to yourself, eventhough im sure you wouldn't let us know of what you really are. You insist not to believe in God because you want to be free from your guilt in doing evil things. You dont want your evil ways to be noticed that's why you question the existence of God inorder for you to cover-up your sins and be comfortable doing it. Examine yourself.
That's why everytime I hear people crying and saying all this defamation about God, it is because their deeds were evil, men love darkness rather than light.
That's why they hide on this question(Why wont God heal amputees?) that has been answered biblically(which by the way is also the point of their argument) and in a very intelligent way.
It really isn’t hard to face the truth at all. It is simply a choice some people make and others dont, those who have agendas, cannot fathom.
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“…the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.” —- Daniel 12:10
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Obviously, your so-called 'smart' rationalizations can not digest what ESoriano is trying to point out. I pity you! If you genuinely believe in your heart that God is imaginary, why are you using the same Book (BIble) and quote the same words that came from the 'imaginary God' your talking about. Anyone who really thinks that we're not allowed to quote the Bible is blatantly wrong. We often use the Bible in what is basically a reductio ad absurdum: In order to support our position we temporarily assume the opposite of what we think is true and show that this leads to contradictions or absurd consequences. This is a valid argument. Proof by contradiction is a prevalent technique even in mathematics.
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Therefore, by estoppel, they do not have any right to use the words of God they are citing from the Bible because He is imaginary to them. Therefore, His words to them are also imaginary. Imagine, people saying God is imaginary, yet are using words coming from an imaginary God to deny His imaginary existence. Maybe this people are also imaginary. Because of this, we will be wasting our time dealing with imaginary people. A well sounded reasoning. One thing is established on this forum, "Atheist are imaginary, not God"Atheist have a "beautiful mind" ask Russel Crow to know more of the details.
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In order to support our position we temporarily assume the opposite of what we think is true and show that this leads to contradictions or absurd consequences. This is a valid argument. Proof by contradiction is a prevalent technique even in mathematics.
Estoppel: A legal principle that prevents a person from asserting or denying something in court that contradicts what has already been established as the truth. You cannot use "temporarily assume the opposite" if there's already an established as the truth. And what is that established truth according to atheist, that God is imaginary. There's no argument if you use the verses in the bible to temporarily assume the opposite and show us this and that when it has already been established that you do not believe in God in the first place. And the moronic thing is, when you use verses in the bible as your argument to defame God, you do not accept answers from the bible which you got your argument in the first place. I dont see any point in that kind of argument. Do you? if you do, then you are Atheist , which by the way are the real imaginary.
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I would rather believe the God-inspired Bible than these people whose only basis for existence is that everything came to be 'accidentally'. What a bunch of baloney! How can the whole of creation come into place just because of a 'big bang' or any accident for that matter? How can anything be of accident when all beings have in themselves an exact measurement so as to co-exist with everything else? Do you really believe that your eyes are placed there out of an accident; without any measurement and intricate planning? Can you think of any other place in (or out) of your sinful bodies for your eyes to be located in? I think not since you cannot even get it into your dense coconut shells that there is a God. A loving, compassionate God who has given us a chance to exist in this life and, if we will just obtain and maintain our faith in Him, LIFE EVERLASTING. A God so loving and patient that he keeps on putting up with people like you who have no gratitude for your Creator. Imagine, keeping you alive after all you have said and done; even in this forum alone? What grand level of 'agape' (GREEK for love, that is, affection or benevolence;) !! If what you are doing to Him will be done to a mere human, much more so one as shallow as you, how do you think the human would react? THE VERSE SAKURABA HAS CITED DESCRIBES YOU BLASPHEMOUS MORONS OH-SO-ACCURATELY: The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They acted corruptly, and have worked out abominable wickedness; there is not one doing good. --- Psalms 53:1
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Hey, has anyone noticed that Jurisdical, Warzen, Hyperkubus, Exclaimationpoint, et al haven't really addressed the key issue:
Why won't God heal amputees?
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Do you really believe that your eyes are placed there out of an accident; without any measurement and intricate planning? Pretty much. Otherwise why do some animals have eyes despite not having any use for them and being blind? And why do we have a "blind spot" when we have the parallely evolved (or IDded, if you like, althrough ID is the biggest delusion of all in modern religion, it keeps you away from the facts) octopus eyes, WITHOUT a blind spot? Why is there a genre of fish that lies flat on one side instead of upright, and has it's eye move, instead of being born with two eyes in one side from the beggining?
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Duke of Vandals, The fact that not all creations are created the same just shows how powerful and creative God is. He is the best architect, designer and artist ever! Betelnut, I disagree. That is not the key issue. The key issue here is that YOU PEOPLE ARE BLATANTLY INSULTING THE GOD THAT I SERVE. And that is the point I would rather tackle than your devil-inspired delusional questions. THOUGH I DO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT ELISEO SORIANO HAS WRITTEN WITH REGARDS TO YOUR IMPERTINENT QUESTIONS. FOR HE IS MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM. Listen to him and you will learn a lot. I have. wait a minute, why don't YOU answer this then? The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They acted corruptly, and have worked out abominable wickedness; there is not one doing good. --- Psalms 53:1 Will you not try in your vainest to refute this? Or do you admit that you really are the FOOLS that the Bible says you are?
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Estoppel: A legal principle that prevents a person from asserting or denying something in court that contradicts what has already been established as the truth.
Well, if God's non-existance is a generally accepted truth, what are you doing here debating us? I am not well-versed in legal matters, much less in US jurisdiction, but going by your definition of estoppel, am I right to assume that once something is established as a truth in front of a court, both competing parties have to abide by that decision? Are you willing to accept that God is imaginary as an established truth? I guess not. Obviously, the question of God's existence is not unanimously decided, nor do we have a court here that could decide what may be assumed axiomatically, so as of yet I don't see how your principle of estoppel could possibly apply. Atheists do not believe in the Christian God. There are two major components for this stance. Firstly, we don't think that Christians have provided convincing evidence for God's existence. That alone justifies disbelief, but, secondly, there are actually quite a lot of arguments against the existence of the Christian god. And according to you, we are not allowed to present such an argument if it is constructed along the lines of a proof by contradiction. That is ridiculous. If a mathematician uses Euclid's proof (which is a proof by contradiction, too) in order to come to the conclusion that there is an infinite number of primes, why would he not be allowed to present that proof to others afterwards? But any legal or philosophical mumbo jumbo aside, if we can look at your belief system and show that it contains inconsistencies, then this puts the validity of your belief system into question. Simple as that. Using your own scripture to make those inconsistencies evident is perfectly legitimate. And the moronic thing is, when you use verses in the bible as your argument to defame God, you do not accept answers from the bible which you got your argument in the first place. I dont see any point in that kind of argument. Do you? if you do, then you are Atheist , which by the way are the real imaginary.
I do see a point in the kind of argument I have described here, however, that does not have so much to do with atheism, but more with the fact that proof by contradiction is a valid and cogent argument . But speaking of moronic... Therefore, by estoppel, they do not have any right to use the words of God they are citing from the Bible because He is imaginary to them. Therefore, His words to them are also imaginary. Imagine, people saying God is imaginary, yet are using words coming from an imaginary God to deny His imaginary existence. Maybe this people are also imaginary. Because of this, we will be wasting our time dealing with imaginary people.
Abstractly put, this translates to: If someone uses flawed reasoning to make a point, he is imaginary. That statement is, you guessed it, moronic. On another note: Hey, has anyone noticed that Jurisdical, Warzen, Hyperkubus, Exclaimationpoint, et al haven't really addressed the key issue: Why won't God heal amputees?
That's right, I'm off topic. This question has been debated to death on this forum, so I gladly skip yet another round. However, the claim that we're not allowed to quote scripture was new to me, so I couldn't restrain myself from commenting.
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Eliseo Soriano says: The established truth, in their side, is this: They do not believe in the existence of God. God to them is imaginary. This is the established truth in their camp. Therefore, by estoppel, they do not have any right to use the words of God they are citing from the Bible because He is imaginary to them. Therefore, His words to them are also imaginary. Imagine, people saying God is imaginary, yet are using words coming from an imaginary God to deny His imaginary existence. Maybe this people are also imaginary. Because of this, we will be wasting our time dealing with imaginary people. Try to refute this logical statement. There is nothing to refute. Soriano makes an emotionally motivated statement saying that because we do not carry belief in a supernatural being claimed by christianity we cannot critically analyze that claim which originates from the bible. It is generally dishonest and disingenuous for an individual to imply that because we have not accepted a claim, that we cannot examine the claim. I would never ask you to believe something I hold to be true, until you critically analyze what that claim is. This is simple common sense, that you wouldn't accept if someone said it to you in the way Soriano is wording it.. yet you want us to accept it because an individual is emotionally attacking us. If a response to our critical analysis involves emotional attacks or dehumanization ( Soriano is literally defining us into the negative or "less than", ie inferior by engaging in this manner ) then your not really answering our criticisms. Why do you people say that Eliseo Soriano's use of verses are without sense and explanation?
Biblical scripture represents a claim that hasn't been established to be true. Objectively, you should be able to share your knowledge with others without presuming truth for them. Its in your best interest to argue for the claim before you begin making the claims. Soriano is essentially saying that no one can be converted to christianity because they do not believe in the christian god and do not have a "right" to read the scripture. You certainly would not say that to someone your prosetylizing to, only a moron would make such a nonsensical statement. Can you people not read?
Yep, and I wouldn't doubt that we have more knowledge biblically then you do. How do I know? example below: "5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."Now you could deffinately say that "brother" is referring to christian, not non-christian. Still that makes the verse even WORSE, becaues it condemns criticizing your fellow chrisitans but gives a green light to criticizing non-christians. Not very tolerant, and it speaks more of intolerance on the part of christianity if we are to take it like that. Oh, I know. Your hearts and minds have been blinded by God's archenemy and in so doing you have been convinced that God Almighty is imaginary.
Again, I present what you said above as proof that you have not read the bible. "Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?" -- Exodus 4:11 "In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open my eyes and ... smite every horse of the people with blindness." -- Zechariah 12:4 "The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart." -- Deuteronomy 28:28 Verse after verse, God is blinding and hardening hearts. Not satan. Not to mention where your evil mythological sky god is busy hardening peoples hearts purposefully, and in revelations making the non-believer blind so that they may "dwell in their unbelief". There is also a problem where you have not recognized exactly the origins of lucifer/satan. Most of the mythology surrounding lucifer/satan does not have biblical origins, actually very little of it. What a blasphemy!
May HE, who is imaginary for you unfortunate people, have mercy on your souls...
Well if he is defined as all-merciful he will have no choice. To do otherwise would be less then all merciful, or omni-benevolent.
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I would rather believe the God-inspired Bible than these people whose only basis for existence is that
everything came to be 'accidentally'.
What a bunch of baloney!
Go right ahead and keep believing that, then. And, who exactly ever used the word "accidentally" when referring to our existence? Show me a book of science or a peer-reviewed paper that actually expresses the idea that people only exist by "accident." If you can't, then why don't you and your irrational buddies stop using that as an argument, because we're certainly not using that terminology. How can the whole of creation come into place just because of a 'big bang' or any accident for that matter? There you go again with "accident." What happens when two cars collide? What do they often call that? Hmm? What? An accident? Do you even know what "accident" means? Here, try this: How can, in light of the entire universe, two cars just happen to collide ON ACCIDENT? Isn't that unbelievable?!?! Gosh, and if it happened to be two people who knew each other, then I'm sure you'd call it divine intervention, too. Get some better terminology. How can anything be of accident when all beings have in themselves an exact measurement so as to co-exist with everything else? Huh? Ever hear of this neat new thing they have, called DEATH? How about EXTINCTION? How about DISEASE? How about GENOCIDE? Show me some exact measurements of co-existence, please. Do you really believe that your eyes are placed there out of an accident; without any measurement and intricate planning? Accidents, accidents. What makes the intricacy of evolution so difficult to comprehend for you? Ah, yes, lack of education. Eyes have developed out of necessity for survival, and they honestly haven't developed all that well, especially human eyes. Our eyes are highly susceptible to acquiring cataracts, and our optic nerve bundle actually gives us a blind spot. Did you know that? A blind spot? Why the hell would a perfect creator give us a blind spot in our oh, so perfectly measured and placed eyes? Oh, damn, I forgot. He must be testing us. Tell you what. You go to school, study anatomy and physiology for a few years, and then make the same argument about the so intricately designed human body. Can you think of any other place in (or out) of your sinful bodies for your eyes to be located in? Huh? Are you kidding me? I think not since you cannot even get it into your dense coconut shells that there is a God. A loving, compassionate God who has given us a chance to exist in this life and,
if we will just obtain and maintain our faith in Him,
LIFE EVERLASTING. I'd rather burn in hell than succumb to your wicked, vengeful, wrathful, murderous, genocidal, jealous, racist, sexist, hateful, and perverse god. A God so loving and patient that he keeps on putting up with people like you who have no gratitude for your Creator. So, your perfect god NEEDS our gratitude? That gives me even more reason not to give it. Imagine, keeping you alive after all you have said and done; even in this forum alone? What grand level of 'agape' (GREEK for love, that is, affection or benevolence;) !! What about all the people he hasn't kept alive? You know, the true believers? What, you're going to tell me they weren't believing the right way? They weren't trying hard enough? It was their time? How about the ones who were tortured for days, weeks, months, in wicked pain, before they died? I'm sure the afterlife was worth all that. If what you are doing to Him will be done to a mere human, much more so one as shallow as you, how do you think the human would react? I treat humans with dignity and respect, because they generally don't demand that I worship them. If we did as you direct, to all humans, then we'd all be worshiping each other. We really wouldn't get that far doing such, now, would we? You can't, therefore, use this comparison. THE VERSE SAKURABA HAS CITED DESCRIBES YOU
BLASPHEMOUS MORONS
OH-SO-ACCURATELY:
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They acted corruptly, and have worked out abominable wickedness; there is not one doing good. --- Psalms 53:1 Just another person writing crap. I can write stuff, too, you know. We call can. "The fool has said in his heart, I believe in silly superstitions, and I impress upon others to do the same. They acted corruptly, and have worked out abominable wickedness; there is not one doing good." Just as oh-so-accurate.
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