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[Godcares]

to find a man close to God that preaches the truth........  The truth shall set you free

[MrFriday]

to find a man close to God that preaches the truth........  The truth shall set you free

The truth has set me free. There is no God. Since I have learned that, I have felt more free than ever in my religious days. I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. I can't go back. Please don't make me! I don't want to be stupid again!

[Omen]

to find a man close to God that preaches the truth........  The truth shall set you free

It seems a conclusion about the truth has already been made for me, then dictated to me while at the same time avoiding any attempt to validate/authenticate the truth being claimed.  Infact, the claimed 'truth' is little more then a series of absolutes dictated in totaltalitarian terms from a valueless authority that avoids the only thing we ask for: intellectual credibility.

Your truth will not set me free, because your truth is not free itself.  It has a high cost of dishonesty that I must lie to myself and avoid addressing what is claimed as true.  It also has an unmeasurable cost in actually preventing the search for truth, in that in telling me what is 'absolutely true' based on your truth without being able to demonstrate said truth actually terminates any further search for any truth whatever it might be.

[rickymooston]

to find a man close to God that preaches the truth........  The truth shall set you free

I agree. Mint sauce with lamb is delicious. That's why christians discuss the lamb of god, right?



The truth has indeed set me free. Phew.

Oh, ..., you mean the gospel thing!!! Ummm. Well, ... let me know when u find a man close to god.

[Godcares]

Can't you see the evil in the world?  It gets worse every day.

My son is saved and is so loving and has patience for the lost.
My daughter is not saved, rebellious, hateful, resentful, unhappy, cusses, drugs

Sorry, but I see a huge difference, my son has no chains from life any longer,
my daughter has nothing but guilt, problems depression and chains.

I know God will get through to my daughter too.   He has promised to heal my land if
I am faithfu with no sin in my life.    The reason religion did not work for you..........

you must repent, obey, and be faithful.   So many people say,   I did that!    But they
really dont,  they just pretend to be good for a while and attend church.  When that doesnt
work for them they turn against God.
They only have theirself to blame, because they wanted God to perform how they expected,
not obey how God expected.

God answers my prayers now as never before, but I obey him, he dont obey me.
He sends kids to my door that needs help and counciling, I cant turn them away, I have to
help them as the Bible says.   That is not easy, religion is easy, a true follower of Christ  will
resemble Christ life.

You probably look at people and how they gossip, hate each other, dont help each other,
and think to yourself I'm as good as they are.  Yes you probably are.   Just going to church and
wearing a suit does not save you.      Following Christ 100% is the answer.   No one
gives 100% anymore.... even in church they dont.   Then they wonder why God doesnt
answer them

[MrFriday]

Can't you see the evil in the world?  It gets worse every day.

My son is saved and is so loving and has patience for the lost.
My daughter is not saved, rebellious, hateful, resentful, unhappy, cusses, drugs

Sorry, but I see a huge difference, my son has no chains from life any longer,
my daughter has nothing but guilt, problems depression and chains.

I know God will get through to my daughter too.   He has promised to heal my land if
I am faithfu with no sin in my life.    The reason religion did not work for you..........

you must repent, obey, and be faithful.   So many people say,   I did that!    But they
really dont,  they just pretend to be good for a while and attend church.  When that doesnt
work for them they turn against God.
They only have theirself to blame, because they wanted God to perform how they expected,
not obey how God expected.

God answers my prayers now as never before, but I obey him, he dont obey me.
He sends kids to my door that needs help and counciling, I cant turn them away, I have to
help them as the Bible says.   That is not easy, religion is easy, a true follower of Christ  will
resemble Christ life.

You probably look at people and how they gossip, hate each other, dont help each other,
and think to yourself I'm as good as they are.  Yes you probably are.   Just going to church and
wearing a suit does not save you.      Following Christ 100% is the answer.   No one
gives 100% anymore.... even in church they dont.   Then they wonder why God doesnt
answer them

If your belief system makes you happy then good for you. But what you are doing here is nothing but begging the question and making assumptions.

Your arrogance and condescension are insulting. You have no idea what other people have gone through or how hard they tried to find God. Please don't assume you know what you cannot know. You do not have the right to judge us.

I don't care if you believe it or not but I became free and happy when I realized that God is imaginary. Before that the guilt of the Christian God was heavy and oppressive even though I never did anything to deserve it. Now I realize I don't need to feel guilty for all that biblical nonsense. I don't need to worship and pray to an invisible man in the sky. My obligation is to people, not to any God. If I hurt someone in some way, I owe them an apology but I do not owe anything to an ancient mythical figure. I deal with real people in the real world and I have no need of imaginary friends.

I particularly don't need a God like yours who threatens people with eternal torture for failing to believe in him when he refuses to demonstrate his existence to anyone. I'm not going to be suckered into that trap again. It is plain as can be that your God is imaginary.

But I am sure that there is nothing that would convince a person as far gone as you.

Anyway, you can preach here if it makes you happy but you are not going to win any converts by telling them you know their hearts and minds better than they do. I think you seriously need to get a clue.

[Noble]

If your belief system makes you happy then good for you. But what you are doing here is nothing but begging the question and making assumptions.

Your arrogance and condescension are insulting. You have no idea what other people have gone through or how hard they tried to find God. Please don't assume you know what you cannot know. You do not have the right to judge us.

I don't care if you believe it or not but I became free and happy when I realized that God is imaginary. Before that the guilt of the Christian God was heavy and oppressive even though I never did anything to deserve it. Now I realize I don't need to feel guilty for all that biblical nonsense. I don't need to worship and pray to an invisible man in the sky. My obligation is to people, not to any God. If I hurt someone in some way, I owe them an apology but I do not owe anything to an ancient mythical figure. I deal with real people in the real world and I have no need of imaginary friends.

I particularly don't need a God like yours who threatens people with eternal torture for failing to believe in him when he refuses to demonstrate his existence to anyone. I'm not going to be suckered into that trap again. It is plain as can be that your God is imaginary.

But I am sure that there is nothing that would convince a person as far gone as you.

Anyway, you can preach here if it makes you happy but you are not going to win any converts by telling them you know their hearts and minds better than they do. I think you seriously need to get a clue.

You say that he's insulting as you insult him.  I didn't see any insult in what he wrote, If you felt like he insulted you, maybe its you that has something going on and deep down inside you're not really free from guilt, you just cover it up with words.  I don't feel weight on my shoulders, i always feel free and when i do something or feel convicted of something then i pray for forgiveness and i'm free of that conviction.  You say the guilt of the Christian God was oppressive and heavy even though you did nothing to deserve it...but if you did nothing to deserve it then why the guilt...the Holy Spirit convicts us when we do wrong...so if you felt convicted then that was because you deserved it...if God doesn't exist then you're saying that something imaginary made you feel bad...how is that even possible...santa clause can't make me feel bad if i don't deserve, as a matter of fact my wife can't make me feel bad if i dont' deserve it...so...if you felt bad you deserved it...and if your obligation is to people why do you put people down...somebody who's obligation is to people edify others not insult them, no matter what the person has done to them.  If he doesnt' have a right to Judge you, which i didn't see him doing then what makes you think you have a right to Judge him? 

[MrFriday]

You say that he's insulting as you insult him.

Let’s look at the facts here. This Holier-Than-Thou Christian insinuated that we atheists only deny God because we want to sin with impunity. He clearly blames all the evil in the world on those of us who do not believe as he does. He plainly said that we just didn’t try hard enough even though he has absolutely no idea what we went through or how hard we tried. He has the audacity to say that no one gives 100% except him of course. He doesn’t know me or any of us here. He specifically said that the reason religion didn’t work for us is because we only pretended to be good. You don’t call that insulting?

The only thing I said that could be construed as an insult is that he is pretty far gone and should get a clue. But I think that is the plain truth. He is pretty far gone into his religion. I have no doubt that he is incapable of listening to reason where his beliefs are concerned. I said he needs to get a clue about dealing with people who he seems to want to convert. Coming in and telling people they are the root of all evil is not likely to win people over to his point of view. If that’s insulting then I insulted him. But he deserved far worse.
 

I didn't see any insult in what he wrote,

Now that I have pointed out exactly what he did that was insulting, I’ll give you the opportunity to retract that or explain how his comments were not insulting.
 

If you felt like he insulted you, maybe its you that has something going on and deep down inside you're not really free from guilt, you just cover it up with words. 

Now you’re pulling the same kind of crap that he did. You don’t know me. I don’t feel guilty for anything. I haven’t done anything to feel guilty about. I’m not covering anything up. Since you think you know what my problem is, why don’t you pray to God to tell you what I need to repent for? If he will tell you that, then maybe you have a point. Otherwise you are being an insufferable ass just like he was.

I don't feel weight on my shoulders, i always feel free and when i do something or feel convicted of something then i pray for forgiveness and i'm free of that conviction. 

Good for you. I’m glad that you are happy with your beliefs. But you cannot comment on my experiences since you don’t know anything about me. Personally, I think you are denying some very basic things about Christianity when you pretend that it isn’t about heaping guilt on everyone. It’s really all about guilt and fear.
 

You say the guilt of the Christian God was oppressive and heavy even though you did nothing to deserve it...but if you did nothing to deserve it then why the guilt...

Because, like most Christians, I was indoctrinated into this cult of guilt from birth. Because that’s what the Bible teaches. That’s what Christianity teaches. We are taught that we are evil by nature and that we deserve to be unmercifully punished and tortured through eternity for not only our sins but the sins of our ancestors all the way back to the first man. The Bible tells us we can never be good enough and the only way we can be salvaged at all is for someone to die for our sins. Are you saying you don’t feel guilty that Jesus had to suffer so terribly because you are so evil?
 
Pastors are always laying guilt trips on the congregations for not giving enough money or for watching TV or movies or any number of things. No matter how good you are, you are never good enough. If you go to your pastor and say that you don’t feel like your prayers are answered, you are invariably told that it is your fault. You are made to feel guilty for not having enough faith or for not being righteous enough. Your friend was bragging that he does not sin. I used to be an ordained minister and if I was his pastor I would have told him to repent because of his sinful pride. He needs to feel guilty for thinking he’s a good person. He’s also being judgmental which the Bible clearly says not to do. Judge not lest ye be judged.
 

the Holy Spirit convicts us when we do wrong...so if you felt convicted then that was because you deserved it...

 
There is no such thing as the Holy Spirit. Our conscience convicts us when we do something wrong. I did not say I felt convicted. I said I realized that I did not need to feel guilty for anything even though I was taught to feel guilty. I don’t think I’m prefect but I don’t expect to be perfect. That is a completely unreasonable goal. I do the best I can and I feel good about myself. I don’t need the validation of some imaginary God or a self-proclaimed holy man.

if God doesn't exist then you're saying that something imaginary made you feel bad...how is that even possible...

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Yes, something imaginary made me feel guilty. Well, more precisely, it was the people who force fed me the BS about this imaginary God that made me feel guilty when I didn’t do anything to deserve it. They made up a category of crime called sin that is designed to make you feel guilty for things that are completely normal. We are made to feel guilty for feeling sexual desire even if we never act on it. We are made to feel guilty for stupid things like working on Sunday or saying specific words that some people deem to be vulgar. The list of things that religion tries to make us feel guilty for is endless. 
 

santa clause can't make me feel bad if i don't deserve, as a matter of fact my wife can't make me feel bad if i dont' deserve it...so...if you felt bad you deserved it...

Nope. I felt bad because I was told I needed to feel bad because I was an evil human not worthy of God’s love. I was made to feel guilty because God loved me even though I wasn’t worthy. I was told that when bad things happened in my life it was because I wasn’t being faithful and righteous enough. That had to be so because God surely rewards the righteous. I always tried diligently to be Christlike and yet, bad things happened anyway.

When I was an eight year old boy, I was absolutely certain that God existed and that he answered the prayers of righteous people when they prayed in faith and asked for good things. My baby brother was very sick and my Mother, my other brother and I sat up all night praying fervently for my baby brother to get well. I had no doubt that God would heal him because it says in the Bible:

Matthew 7: 7-8; “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened”

Mark 11:24;"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."

John 14:12-14 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

Those are some very clear promises. I prayed with complete faith that God would do what I asked. My baby brother died the very next day. I couldn’t understand what went wrong. I thought that maybe I was bad and God was punishing me. I felt that guilt for a long time until I realized that it wasn’t me that was wrong, it was the Bible. Even with that kind of clear proof that God is imaginary, it took me another 22 years to admit that there really is no God.
 

and if your obligation is to people why do you put people down...somebody who's obligation is to people edify others not insult them, no matter what the person has done to them. 

Tell me, friend. Who insulted who here? I did not tell this person he was evil. I didn’t call him names or blame him for something. He was being an obnoxious ass! He insinuated that we did not try hard enough to find God or that we just want to be evil. Maybe you don't see it because you are the same kind of judgmental creep. You are making exactly the same asinine insulting accusations. If you people want to set yourselves up as our judges you deserve our contempt.

 

If he doesnt' have a right to Judge you, which i didn't see him doing then what makes you think you have a right to Judge him? 

Oh yes. I think you do see that he was judging me. You just want to defend your fellow Christian even though he was in the wrong. That’s what you people do. You think your mission gives you the right to say anything about anybody but you think you should never have to suffer the same treatment. In my view, he gave me the right to judge him when he assumed that he had the right to judge me.

[Dkit]

Excellent post, Mr. Friday.  +1

I feel Godcares entire post was insulting, judgemental and arrogant, especially when comparing the two children:

My son is saved and is so loving and has patience for the lost.
My daughter is not saved, rebellious, hateful, resentful, unhappy, cusses, drugs

We all know what this is supposed to mean.
 

The reason religion did not work for you..........

You have no idea why any of us left the shackles of religion.  You want to believe you know because it makes you feel better.  It must be the persons fault for not doing it right.  Not believing, praying, tithing, giving, repenting, reading, etc. enough.  That way you can hold on to your delusion because the blame is placed squarely on the non-believer, not the god you worship.

[Godcares]

Sorry that you read guilt and condemnation into my post.   I love both my children very much.
It is right for the parent to want their children happy and content.   My daughter is not filled
with guilt from teaching from me.   Her guilt is from the things she does and the consequences.

I only share Gods love and concern.   God is love.   The Bible doesnt say God is guilt.
I tell her God loves her over all, as much or more than anyone else ever will.

When preachers fill you with guilt of all the things you dont do....   some of them are judgemental
some of them are full of guilt themselves.    When a preacher preaches that we are not
doing what God wants.  He is usually preaching to the christians that let God down by not
sharing Gods love.  The christians that are judgmental.     God is love and has only instructed
me to share love, not guilt,     he wants me to share that he can release the chains of guilt
not add them.

I used to think that God was mad at me all the time, maybe by oldtime preaching.  But now I
know how much he always loved me and just wanted anything good for us.   The Bible says
all good things are from God.   I really dont want to say alot, as it seems to make you so
angry.   But you seem so hurt by all your past.   We dont know Gods plan, I dont know why
your brother died.   

There is things I cant answer, but right now I have a young couple living at my house that everyone has turned their backs on because they couldnt get their act together.  Their family,
past so called christians.   But I am sharing the hopes of the Bible with them and Gods real
love.   The Bible tells us to help, not to condemn or judge.   

I tell young people there is nothing you can tell me that will shock me.   God forgives it all.
All he asks is go and sin no more.   

So dont be mad at me, call me crazy,   I must be because I take alot of abuse to get thru
to people who have been hurt and let down.  Lonely and full of guilt. 

Find peace in God, not hate.

[Omen]

Godcares and Noble, this post is for the both of you.

Can't you see the evil in the world?  It gets worse every day.

Yah, christianity promotes ingroup/outgroup hostilities.  Republican senators/congressman frequently use dehumanizing tactics in support of christian beliefs in attacks on anything 'percieved' as being an enemy to christianity.  Homosexuals, secularism, science, atheist, muslims, jews, civil liberities, national science standards, and public education have all been underattack as the evangelical movement has made itself more widely known.  Its perfectly acceptable for a government official to say any number of the issues above are evil, detrimental, even lie by citing studies that do not exist, or simply making outrageous claims like all evolutionists are atheist.

My son is saved and is so loving and has patience for the lost.
My daughter is not saved, rebellious, hateful, resentful, unhappy, cusses, drugs

Thats her problem, not ours.  It is irrelevant to presenting any logical argumentation for god belief.  The truth is ignored once more in favor of a red herring that has nothing to do with addressing what may or may not be true.   There is not even an argument to address.

Sorry, but I see a huge difference, my son has no chains from life any longer,
my daughter has nothing but guilt, problems depression and chains.

I know plenty of believers of any stripe that have nothing but chains - chains of delusion, hate, and ignorance.  Again, it is irrelevant to presenting any logical argumentation for god belief.  The truth is ignored once more in favor of a red herring that has nothing to do with addressing what may or may not be true.   There is not even an argument to address.

I know God will get through to my daughter too.   He has promised to heal my land if
I am faithfu with no sin in my life.    The reason religion did not work for you..........

Noble, hate speech comes in various forms often dictated from authoritarian positions that are as baseless as the claims being made in the hate speech.

you must repent, obey, and be faithful.

When someone makes such a statement as above, they are presenting a series of judgements based on their 'perception' of what is required of others.  What our friend 'godcares' doesn't do is tell us why or even attempt to provide for us the logical basis for belief in any context.  He/she is simply repeating their religious nonsense in a prejudgement of others that already percieves them as inferior in some respect.  The cowardice of avoiding providing an objective basis for their beliefs and the sheer ethical irresponsibility of making ridiculous proclamations upon others only compound the problem at hand.

   So many people say,   I did that!    But they
really dont,  they just pretend to be good for a while and attend church.

This is an excellent example of hate speech, both meant to belittle anyone that doesn't agree with 'Godcares' and more importantly concludes on the one aspect important to the point of 'belittling' a group that disagrees with you, that is to dismiss them.

  When that doesnt
work for them they turn against God.

Thusly are we dismissed.  What have we done thats bad while we're pretending to be good? Unknown to us, because 'Godcares' has already made that presumption for us for the purpose of rejecting us.

They only have theirself to blame, because they wanted God to perform how they expected,
not obey how God expected.

The misinformation continues in a series of propaganda like claims that only further the original intent of belittling the target.  Not only are we 'bad' and pretending to be good, we do not believe in 'Godcares' ridiculous ideology not because it lacks exactly what I described above with my response:

It seems a conclusion about the truth has already been made for me, then dictated to me while at the same time avoiding any attempt to validate/authenticate the truth being claimed. Infact, the claimed 'truth' is little more then a series of absolutes dictated in totaltalitarian terms from a valueless authority that avoids the only thing we ask for: intellectual credibility.

Your truth will not set me free, because your truth is not free itself. It has a high cost of dishonesty that I must lie to myself and avoid addressing what is claimed as true. It also has an unmeasurable cost in actually preventing the search for truth, in that in telling me what is 'absolutely true' based on your truth without being able to demonstrate said truth actually terminates any further search for any truth whatever it might be.

but because,"not obey how god expected."

God answers my prayers now as never before, but I obey him, he dont obey me.
He sends kids to my door that needs help and counciling, I cant turn them away, I have to
help them as the Bible says.   That is not easy, religion is easy, a true follower of Christ  will
resemble Christ life.

Considering you first demonized anyone that disagreed with you and dismissed them, I have serious reservations to your ability to teach anyone anything besides your dogmatic appeals to a baseless authority and your ignorance of any intellectual basis.  You, like many individuals that use christian hate speech, attempt to proselytize by first 'setting' the victim up for emotional dependence.

Who is to blame? Themselves.

Asking you why they should blame themselves is irrelevant, because in asking,"Why" we only return to what you did earlier:

Your logic:

You are bad pretending to be good and you do not want to obey, therefore I dismiss you.

You probably look at people and how they gossip, hate each other, dont help each other,
and think to yourself I'm as good as they are.

I watch a christians that lack confidence enough in their own beliefs to allow the outgroup to exist unmolested constantly prosletyze their ridiculous religion to the point of their own hypocracy.  No attempt is made to be or act in a logically persuasive manner because the inherent basis of any religious ideology is necessarily anti-intellectual and entirely totalitarian.  They in turn, end up pushing the outgroup out to the point that it is demonized as you have thus demonized us in the above.

  Yes you probably are.

Identifying you as the hateful hypocracy of your own religion at the same time your trying to espouse 'love' has nothing to do with your description above.

 Just going to church andwearing a suit does not save you.      Following Christ 100% is the answer.   No one
gives 100% anymore.... even in church they dont.   Then they wonder why God doesntanswer them

The truth is ignored once more in favor of a red herring that has nothing to do with addressing what may or may not be true.   There is not even an argument to address other then to point out that 'Godcares' in ignoring the only thing we ask for ( intellectual credibility ) must concentrate on belittling/dismissing anyone who doesn't believe with 'Godcares' believes.

[MrFriday]

Sorry that you read guilt and condemnation into my post.   I love both my children very much.
It is right for the parent to want their children happy and content.   My daughter is not filled
with guilt from teaching from me.   Her guilt is from the things she does and the consequences.

I only share Gods love and concern.   God is love.   The Bible doesnt say God is guilt.
I tell her God loves her over all, as much or more than anyone else ever will.

When preachers fill you with guilt of all the things you dont do....   some of them are judgemental
some of them are full of guilt themselves.    When a preacher preaches that we are not
doing what God wants.  He is usually preaching to the christians that let God down by not
sharing Gods love.  The christians that are judgmental.     God is love and has only instructed
me to share love, not guilt,     he wants me to share that he can release the chains of guilt
not add them.

I used to think that God was mad at me all the time, maybe by oldtime preaching.  But now I
know how much he always loved me and just wanted anything good for us.   The Bible says
all good things are from God.   I really dont want to say alot, as it seems to make you so
angry.   But you seem so hurt by all your past.   We dont know Gods plan, I dont know why
your brother died.   

There is things I cant answer, but right now I have a young couple living at my house that everyone has turned their backs on because they couldnt get their act together.  Their family,
past so called christians.   But I am sharing the hopes of the Bible with them and Gods real
love.   The Bible tells us to help, not to condemn or judge.   

I tell young people there is nothing you can tell me that will shock me.   God forgives it all.
All he asks is go and sin no more.   

So dont be mad at me, call me crazy,   I must be because I take alot of abuse to get thru
to people who have been hurt and let down.  Lonely and full of guilt. 

Find peace in God, not hate.

I'm sorry but I realize that you are just too delusional to have a rational conversation. I don't have the patience for your kind of stupidity. I'm going to leave and let you go on preaching to the wind. I have better things to do with my time. Have a nice life.

[velkyn]

Can't you see the evil in the world?  It gets worse every day.

My son is saved and is so loving and has patience for the lost.
My daughter is not saved, rebellious, hateful, resentful, unhappy, cusses, drugs

Sorry, but I see a huge difference, my son has no chains from life any longer,
my daughter has nothing but guilt, problems depression and chains.

I know God will get through to my daughter too.   He has promised to heal my land if
I am faithfu with no sin in my life.    The reason religion did not work for you..........

you must repent, obey, and be faithful.   So many people say,   I did that!    But they
really dont,  they just pretend to be good for a while and attend church.  When that doesnt
work for them they turn against God.
They only have theirself to blame, because they wanted God to perform how they expected,
not obey how God expected.

God answers my prayers now as never before, but I obey him, he dont obey me.
He sends kids to my door that needs help and counciling, I cant turn them away, I have to
help them as the Bible says.   That is not easy, religion is easy, a true follower of Christ  will
resemble Christ life.

You probably look at people and how they gossip, hate each other, dont help each other,
and think to yourself I'm as good as they are.  Yes you probably are.   Just going to church and
wearing a suit does not save you.      Following Christ 100% is the answer.   No one
gives 100% anymore.... even in church they dont.   Then they wonder why God doesnt
answer them

why does this GC seem like those people stupid enough to have killed their daughter expecting God to heal her diabetes?  GC, your daughter might really be depressed.  She doesn't need God she needs to see a doctor.  I will have to say that I really hope she gets away from you.  Nothing like a harping sanctimonious parent to make a child really unhappy.   

as for God's "promises to you", yawn, yet more claims on how "special" the claimant is; how the claimant is the only one ever to get it right on how to worship God.  It gets really tiresome for Christians to claim that they are psychics.  And no one has taken me up on my offer to be their agent when they take it on the road. 

[Knight]

Can't you see the evil in the world?  It gets worse every day.

Ever hear of ancient Rome? Because the evil in that civilization was a LOT worse...

The only thing that has changed is how much the media shows.

My son is saved and is so loving and has patience for the lost.
My daughter is not saved, rebellious, hateful, resentful, unhappy, cusses, drugs

I'm not saved, and I am loving and, in real life, patient. Actually, at times I am TOO patient for my own good. I let myself get walked on...but I don't pay much attention to it.

And I am a very happy person. I've never received a detention, I don't ask money from my parents unless it is for something related to community service or a school function, I cuss occasionally (I cuss more online than I do in real life...actually in real life I don't even talk much), and I have never, nor will I ever, use drugs.

I take pride in music (I play the alto saxophone and the trombone), my GPA is a 3.95 on a 4 point scale (which is 98.75%), and I dedicate most of my free time to the American Cancer Society's Relay For Life or other charities.

Yeah, we atheists are all the same...immoral, stupid, and druggies. Please see reality.