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Christianity Johnson on 27 Jul 2008 07:29 pm

Where did our universe come from?

4 Responses to “Where did our universe come from?”

  1. on 28 Jul 2008 at 6:42 am 1.Myron said …

    Your argument (as I understand it) is as follows:
    1. Science has continued to advance, and answer new questions many people thought impossible.
    2. People think finding out what caused the big bang is impossible now because God did it.
    3. We will find out what happened before the big bang, and that will be it for God.

    I accept 1, 2, and even part of 3 – it seems sensible to assume that eventually we will understand what natural event caused the big bang. However, it seems to me that once we find this natural event (let’s call it X) then we need to start investigating what caused X, and people will say it’s God, just like they do with the big bang now.

    What evidence to you have to suggest (not necessarily prove, just suggest) that once we figure out what caused the big bang, that will be the final answer, and no further investigation into the origin of the universe will be required?

  2. on 29 Jul 2008 at 9:43 am 2.Doubting Thomas said …

    You really got a knack for making videos keep up the good work.

    I think it is still possible that a God made the universe though, I just don’t believe a God made the universe. I believe the concept of a God thought of by Spinoza or Libieniz is still a rational approach towards a deity.

    I honestly don’t think we are made to know what is the secret to life, like how do you make a DNA molecule on a dead planet like the Earth was 4.6 billion years ago? I think nature can do it, but that is my faith talking really. I have always suspected there is no God, I just don’t think we will ever be able to rule him out, I mean for example you can’t prove we are not in the dream of a sleeping God, who feel asleep five minutes ago and just dreamt up our existance, fabricating our own memories even.

    There is still room for doubt to both sides of the argument, and p[lenty of reasons to not be dogmatic.

    Great video keep them coming, it feels good to see someone who is certain about atheism, and present their reasons for it.

  3. on 29 Jul 2008 at 11:21 am 3.Myron said …

    Thumbs up to non-dogmatism!

  4. on 29 Jul 2008 at 8:27 pm 4.P-Dunn said …

    Your argument is essentially the same one that Richard Dawkins makes in The God Delusion. In his view, Darwinian evolution has explained away the design argument in terms of human beings, and though we do not have that same sort of explanation for physics and the universe, science will eventually come up with an “equivalent crane.”

    Therefore, God “almost certainly” does not exist.

    Except that conclusion comes out of nowhere, and is an incredible non sequitur. Just as your attempt to rule out God because “science can explain it ultimately” resorts to absurdity. It’s nothing but a reverse sort of God of the Gaps reasoning.

    Furthermore, your comparisons to things that science has answered are riddled with the problem of apples to oranges. Sure, science has explained things that can be repeated and tested. Science has helped in the art of aerodynamics because we can build a plane and try flying it. But the origin of the universe is a one time event that cannot be repeated, and we can only guess as to the original conditions. Whatever explanation you may be able to come up with is likely to be unfalsifiable, and just as millions of people believe in both evolution and God, I’m sure countless millions will probably accept the explanation and then keep on believe in God.

    What in the world were you thinking when you mentioned “scientific equations accounting for God?” What a ridiculous argument to make. Of COURSE scientific equations don’t account for God, seeing as science is the study of the natural world around us, attempting to find natural origins for everything. You yourself admit this. Science, by design, doesn’t account for the supernatural.

    Lastly, your contention that Islam and Christianity believe that God “magically appeared out of nowhere” is downright nonsense. Neither of these religions make such an argument at all. Both argue that God is eternal, and there was never a point where God “appeared” at all; he always existed. In addition, no one actually argues that you can’t “create something out of nothing.” We argue instead that something cannot come out of nothing on its own. And that is a reasonable position to hold. It has never been observed, and is impossible.

    This edited version of the video is even worse than the original.

    ~Patrick
    http://brainisignorant.blogspot.com – A refutation of GodIsImaginary.com and WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com

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