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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 30 Oct 2013 09:44 pm

One of the most popular threads in the forums – athesist vs. Christian apologist

Over 3,000 people looked at this thread on Friday, and gave the forum its best day ever in terms of visitors. It is an email chain where an atheist questions a Christian apologist after the apologist’s university lecture:

Made up evidence for God? [#1999]

Good reading.

1,326 Responses to “One of the most popular threads in the forums – athesist vs. Christian apologist”

  1. on 03 Apr 2014 at 1:21 am 1.The messenger said …

    1004.alex, I am not the person that came up with this interpretation. I am also not the only christian to follow this interpretation.

  2. on 03 Apr 2014 at 2:03 am 2.alex said …

    “I am not the person that came up with this interpretation. I am also not the only christian to follow this interpretation.”

    that’s why you’re dumbass, self professed/appointed, xtian interpreter. didn’t you post:

    “I am simply preaching about the path to overcoming evil and how true Christians try to follow the path,”

    you didn’t come up with any interpretation, but you righteously proclaim the phrase “my interpretation”?

    in your shitpile collection at: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO,
    you repeatedly mentioned your definition of what a “true christian” is and yet you can’t produce an xtian checklist corroborating your criteria.

    that’s why you’re dumbass, lyin, motherfucker.

  3. on 03 Apr 2014 at 2:18 am 3.alex said …

    “and yet you can’t produce an xtian checklist corroborating your criteria.”

    and predictably, messenger will cherry pick the bible and righteously trot out a few verses. when confronted with contradictory ones, moron will proclaim that the latter is not to be taken literal.

    dumbass, self professed/appointed, xtian interpreter title goes to the messenger goat herder.

  4. on 03 Apr 2014 at 9:24 am 4.freddies_dead said …

    995.A the lying prick posting as The Prickly Science Guy said …

    OOOPS, my dishonesty….changing my handle.

    And once more you dishonestly try to twist what’s been said … because you’re a lying prick.

    “Nope. I have never claimed to be “Anonymous”.”

    Which is why you are a liar Johnny.

    Except you have no evidence to backup your baseless claim that I’ve deliberately posted as someone else in an attempt to mislead people. If you did you’d have presented it.

    Anyone interested can pop over to the “The insanity of Christianity: Prayer edition” thread and check out the first couple of paragraphs of post 1090 to see exactly what happened.

    “Which ones? And what evidence do you have to prove they’ve done the same as you”

    Evidence? You wouldn’t know anything about that. Lol!!!!! Ah, we have you for one :).

    Thank you for your admission that you have no evidence.

    “Wait … what? It’s obsessive compulsive to be honest now?”

    Honest? Lol!!!!!! No Johnny, obsessing over the handles of bloggers is OC. You and Alex have fun with that.

    Your gibberish about OC was a direct response to me stating I’d never used any moniker I have to pretend to be someone other than myself i.e. my statement of a commitment to basic honesty. If you meant it to refer to something else you should try learning to write for comprehension.

    Also there’s no obsession here. We’re just pointing out that you like to lie about being someone else in order to try and prop up your baseless assertions or to pat yourself on the back when you’ve said something especially stupid.

    Let us know when you will offer up proof for macro,

    Already done. You refused to “wade through” the evidence.

    the standards of morality or any of the other many holes in your worldview Johnny.

    You’ve yet to show any holes in my worldview A. In fact I don’t recall you backing up a single assertion you’ve made with actual evidence let alone showing anyone else to be wrong about anything.

    lol!!! Oh the childishness……

    Well maybe if you grew up and started acting like an adult…

  5. on 03 Apr 2014 at 8:00 pm 5.The messenger said …

    1006.alex, the phrase, ” my interpretation “, simply means that I support and live by that interpretation.

    You need help, my brother.

  6. on 03 Apr 2014 at 8:04 pm 6.The messenger said …

    1007.alex, I do not cherry pick. I recognize the entire bible.

    You are the one that cherry picks.

    You cherry pick stoning verses and say that they are literal, but then you ignore the verses that prove that they are metaphorical.

    You are a hypocrite.

  7. on 03 Apr 2014 at 9:30 pm 7.alex said …

    “the phrase, ” my interpretation “, simply means that I support and live by that interpretation.”

    that’s why you’re a dumbass, motherfucker. if that’s what you meant, say it. you did say “simply”.

    “You are the one that cherry picks.”

    you dumb motherfucker. it’s your damn bible, the so called word of god. everything in it is supposed to be divine. how in the fuck can it be cherry picked, you dumbass. if it was so damn divinely clear, why can’t all xtians agree on a single intepretation/denomination?

    you keep applying the phrase “true christian”. are you god’s self professed/appointed interpreter? no? then where is the “true christian” criteria checklist? in your head? like your vision of god?

    dumbass, motherfucker. it’s all here: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

  8. on 03 Apr 2014 at 9:59 pm 8.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Messenger,

    Isn’t Alex such a joy? His love for mankind is inspiring. Everyone should hold him as an inspiration for all! Alex is what is right in the world

    Luv ya Alex. :)

  9. on 03 Apr 2014 at 10:16 pm 9.alex said …

    “Isn’t Alex such a joy? His love for mankind is inspiring”

    wrong again as usual. who said i was trying to bring joy? who said i was trying to inspire mankind?

    your latest diversion is lame. you got nothing. 914 posts counted at: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS, and still you got nothing for your god.

  10. on 03 Apr 2014 at 10:45 pm 10.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “who said i was trying to inspire mankind?”

    Oh alex, but you do! You are a silver tongue rascal…you are! That’s why I luv ya babe!

    Your flowery language and the books you like to keep are an inspiration to all mankind. We need more like you bro.

    Keep up the good work! Luv ya Alex! :)

  11. on 03 Apr 2014 at 10:54 pm 11.alex said …

    “the books you like to keep are an inspiration to all mankind.”

    and i can always count on you to provide the content. thanks, you dumb motherfucker. you ain’t figured it out yet? dude, we have computers! your book at: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS, is self populated by you. your fake names ain’t fooling anybody.

    you call the book an inspiration? feel free to take the content and publish it. it’s legit. even included the original wwgha links.

  12. on 03 Apr 2014 at 11:35 pm 12.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Oh Alex!! You have such a way with words. You have fun with your book. You deserve it. Luv ya babe! Mean it! :)

  13. on 04 Apr 2014 at 12:30 am 13.The messenger said …

    1011.alex, you have no brain, do you?

    First you accuse me of cherry picking from the bible, then you question wheather or not it can be cherry picked.

    You are a mad man.

  14. on 04 Apr 2014 at 12:32 am 14.The messenger said …

    1012.The Prickly Science Guy, good use of sarcasm, brother.

  15. on 04 Apr 2014 at 12:47 am 15.alex said …

    “First you accuse me of cherry picking from the bible, then you question wheather or not it can be cherry picked.”

    fair enough. since, you alone, know which passages are literal or not, doesn’t that make you god’s self appointed interpreter? no? is there a bible addendum that tells you which ones are literal? there ain’t is there? that’s makes you the dumb, motherfucker, self professed/appointed god’s representative.

    “You are a mad man.”

    you mean, like i hear god voices and shit? do i desperately cling to the notion of rapists marrying their victims?

  16. on 04 Apr 2014 at 12:51 am 16.alex said …

    “You have fun with your book.”

    magical, ain’t it. you post some shit in here and holiness of holy, it appears in: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    i can’t explain how it happens, but i don’t think goddidit.

    “The Prickly Science Guy, good use of sarcasm, brother.”

    and thank you martin, science guy, biff, xenon, little ‘A’, Sweetness, boz, RL Wooten, and of course Horatio.

    dumbass, motherfuckers.

  17. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:03 am 17.alex said …

    “alex, you have no brain, do you?”

    if you have a glass of salt water and you pour more water in(fresh water), it does not change the salinity, ph, temp or chemistry

    who dat say? check http://goo.gl/ib8BHO, messenger’s most dumbass post, featured on top.

    did you figure out how to google “cubit”? whadya think it was? 300 cubits is like 20 miles by 15 miles large that noah constructed?

  18. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:19 am 18.The messenger said …

    1019.alex, I AM NOT THE ONLY PRERSON THAT BELIEVE IN THIS INTERPRETATION.

    Would you get that through your thick skull.

  19. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:22 am 19.The messenger said …

    1021.alex, cubits are a very old form of measurement, and therefore modern humans do not know exactly how long a cubit is.

  20. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:28 am 20.alex said …

    “I AM NOT THE ONLY PRERSON THAT BELIEVE IN THIS INTERPRETATION.”

    caps lock, bitch.

    so, other than your other brother, hor, who else believes in this shit?

    “if you have a glass of salt water and you pour more water in(fresh water), it does not change the salinity, ph, temp or chemistry”

    1st graders don’t count.

    or, were your referring to your other fav fantasy?

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)”

    you posted: “simply preaching about the path..”

    are you a real preacher? tell us your real name and affiliation. if no, doesn’t that make you a dumbass, motherfucking, self professed god’s representative?

  21. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:37 am 21.alex said …

    “cubits are a very old form of measurement, and therefore modern humans do not know exactly how long a cubit is.”

    but, in your delusional mind, you have no problem imagining it to be gargantuan enough to accommodate all of the paired animals. oh, i forget. noah had god’s help, who could have snapped his fingers and bypassed the whole fucking ark shit, but i’m getting sidetracked….

    but of course, talking donkies are not be taken literal. help me, motherfucker. if you’re not the self professed god rep, where is the bible addendum that tells me which passages are real and which are not.

    maybe all the xtian motherfuckers are searching for it?

  22. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:39 am 22.alex said …

    “caps lock, bitch.”

    sorry, retract. i deserve it. i should caps, right?

  23. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:41 am 23.The messenger said …

    1024.alex, if you add fresh water to a cup of salt water the salt amount is neither increased or decreased. the temperature might chance, but not by a significant amount.

  24. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:44 am 24.The messenger said …

    1024.alex, pope Francis also supports the same interpretation that I do. We both agree that all people can go to heaven, catholic or not.

  25. on 04 Apr 2014 at 1:46 am 25.The messenger said …

    1025.alex, you stated “but, in your delusional mind, you have no problem imagining it to be gargantuan enough to accommodate all of the paired animals. oh, i forget. noah had god’s help, who could have snapped his fingers and bypassed the whole fucking ark shit, but i’m getting sidetracked….”

    Brother, I have never made a claim, using modern measurements, about how large the ark is. I do not know how many animals were around during that time period.

  26. on 04 Apr 2014 at 12:02 pm 26.alex said …

    “pope Francis also supports the same interpretation that I do”

    nice! give him your “gospel according to messenger” at: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    then post his approval here. btw, you’re preacher who? with what church? surely, you have the proper creds to be preaching on this blog.

    what about my creds? none. but i do have this inate ability to detect bullshit. you do too, but you just can’t get past the delicious fantasy of:

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)”

  27. on 04 Apr 2014 at 11:52 pm 27.The messenger said …

    1030.alex, I do not have to give you any personal information. But I am not a preacher, but I am a catholic.

    I do not have a “delicious” fantasy. I believe that if a man rapes a woman he should have to serve her for the rest of his life(as punishment and redemption for committing that sin).

  28. on 05 Apr 2014 at 12:59 am 28.alex said …

    “But I am not a preacher, but I am a catholic.”

    but you love to preach your own interpretations, because in your own words, “I do stay joined with the church and most of it’s interpretations of the bible”.

    doesn’t that makes you a self professed/appointed god interpreter?

    does the pope agree with your notion of, “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)”?

    no? doesn’t that makes you a self professed/appointed god interpreter?

    dumbass, motherfucker.

  29. on 05 Apr 2014 at 2:15 am 29.The messenger said …

    1032.alex, many catholics, not just myself, believe in the interpretation that I do. We are catholic because we are a part of the church and we except and try to follow all of the teachings of the catholic interpretation of the bible, except the one that states only people within the church can go to heaven. Me and many catholics(including the current pope) believe that athiests can go to heaven.

  30. on 05 Apr 2014 at 2:46 pm 30.alex said …

    “follow all of the teachings of the catholic interpretation of the bible, except the one that states only people within the church can go to heaven.

    oh! so the church says it’s ok to rape and marry the vic? church says hell is temporary? church says allah and yahweh are the same? entire shit here http://goo.gl/ib8BHO, you’ve spewed, the church believes in?

    if you say you’re not the self proclaimed god rep, why don’t you name the church that subscribes to your entire interpretation. no? then, wouldn’t it suspiciously appear that you make up your own shit, just like the rest of the countless xtian motherfuckers everywhere?

    any xtian here believe EVERYTHING that messenger says? to make sure your not fluffing, please state your church affiliation. don’t be afraid, xtian. be righteous, be proud and name your church.

  31. on 05 Apr 2014 at 3:23 pm 31.Anonymous said …

    you all are all “FOOLS”

  32. on 05 Apr 2014 at 3:25 pm 32.Anonymous said …

    FOOLS>>>>>>FOOLS>>>>>YOU DID NOT PROVE A THING EXCEPT YOU ARE GOING TO “HELL”

  33. on 05 Apr 2014 at 3:32 pm 33.alex said …

    YOU DID NOT PROVE A THING EXCEPT YOU ARE GOING TO “HELL”

    hell scares you? what else scares you? don’t shy.

  34. on 06 Apr 2014 at 12:31 am 34.The messenger said …

    1034.alex, the catholic church says that rape is evil and wrong, but if a person does commit the sin of rape he must bind himself to that person and serve her for the rest of his life.

  35. on 06 Apr 2014 at 1:09 am 35.alex said …

    “if a person does commit the sin of rape he must bind himself to that person and serve her for the rest of his life.”

    you lying bitch, motherfucker. tell me the name of your catholic church that says that. tell me the name of your catholic church that says hell is temporary. tell me the name of your catholic church that says allah and yahweh are the same.

    i will go to the same church, kneel and acknowledge your god. it’s a safe bet, ain’t it? coz you’re fulla shit. again your shitpile: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

  36. on 06 Apr 2014 at 1:42 am 36.alex said …

    what was that again? cain’t find no catholic church that subscribes to your bullshit interpretations? doesn’t that make you the dumbass, self appointed god rep?

    if you don’t have a church that believes in your shit, what the fuck do you want from the atheists here?

  37. on 06 Apr 2014 at 3:18 am 37.The messenger said …

    1039.alex, what do you mean “what catholic church”? the catholic church is a united group that worships GOD. There is only one catholic church.

  38. on 06 Apr 2014 at 3:25 am 38.The messenger said …

    1039.alex, the catholic church does not focus on the word for word message of the torah, but the inner moral meaning. The word “marriage” can simply mean the joining of two things, so therefore if a person commits the sin of rape, he must bind himself to her and serve her to redeem himself.

    Any catholic priest will either say that same thing or something similar to that.

  39. on 06 Apr 2014 at 3:29 am 39.The messenger said …

    1039.Alex, the subject of hell and how long it lasts is quite different. Some Catholics like myself will say that hell is temporary, but others will say that it lasts forever.

    It all depends on who you ask. Unfortunately that is one thing that some Catholics have a hard time agreeing on.

  40. on 06 Apr 2014 at 11:35 am 40.alex said …

    “Any catholic priest will either say that same thing or something similar to that.”

    my apologies and congratulations. the pope has read all your interpretations and agrees with everything you’ve said here: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    includingly, the pope says it’s ok to rape and marry the victim. pope says hell is temporary. pope says allah and yahweh are the same.

    the pope says all these things and the pope agrees to everything messenger says. please publish the motherfucking source where the pope says all these things.

    no? then, you’re making up all this shit. shut the fuck up. go fuck with a baptist or mooslim site.

  41. on 06 Apr 2014 at 11:03 pm 41.The messenger said …

    1044.alex, you do not have to cuss in order to get respect or power. I know that you do it to make your self feel empowered, but the truth is it only makes you look like a nincompoop.

    Or perhaps this bad attitude was forged from parental problems. If you need to talk about it please do not be afraid, we all want to help you brother.

  42. on 07 Apr 2014 at 12:53 am 42.alex said …

    “we all want to help you brother.”

    with what? with your bullshit, self interpretations from the bullshit bible?

    didya ask the pope if it’s ok to rape and marry the victim? did you ask him if hell is temporary? does the pope say allah and yahweh are the same?

    see how full of shit you are, you dumbass motherfucker? who’s trying to get respect or power? i curse your ass because you deserve contempt, you asshole.

    you want to help me, mister bitch. try educating yourself. start off by googling cubits, dipshit.

    your shitlist: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO
    show it off to your mormon friends.

  43. on 07 Apr 2014 at 1:15 am 43.alex said …

    “you do not have to cuss in order to get respect or power.”

    excuse the fuck out of me, but you’re ok with:

    “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.”

    “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.”

    “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver.”

    and on and on. go fuck yourself.

  44. on 07 Apr 2014 at 1:23 am 44.The messenger said …

    1048.alex, your soul is corrupted by evil things such as hate, jealousy, lust, and laziness. I want to help you overcome these problems, but I can’t help you until you stop focusing with hate and actually listen to what I am telling you.

    I ALREADY TOLD YOU, NO CATHOLICS SUPPORT RAPE. RAPE IS A SIN. IT IS EVIL.

  45. on 07 Apr 2014 at 1:27 am 45.The messenger said …

    1048.alex, you are afraid to confront you hate(and other evils) because you are afraid to. You can deny it all you want, but I know that you are afraid, and deep down you know it too.

    Do not be afraid my brother, I want to help you, but at the same time you must help your self as well. Open your soul and mind to GOD’s message.

  46. on 07 Apr 2014 at 2:01 am 46.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “alex, you do not have to cuss in order to get respect or power.”

    Messenger actually he does have the need. He is a little man, rejected by society. Cursing at others while hiding behind his computer makes him feel like he has power. Let him have his moment. Yhr poor kid has nothing else.

  47. on 07 Apr 2014 at 2:45 am 47.alex said …

    “He is a little man, rejected by society.”

    readers, check http://goo.gl/UYo1uS and see who is the reject. hor is so rejected, he resorts to lying and sock posting.

  48. on 07 Apr 2014 at 2:51 am 48.alex said …

    messenger.

    try this. i accept hesus into my heart, he forgives me for all my transgressions and when i die, i look forward to those virgins when i get into heaven. and now, i will campaign to ban gay marriages. afterwards, i will try to get a law passed that will allow rapists to marry their victims in lieue of punishment.

    xtian enough for you motherfuckers? this is all in accordance to your interpretations: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    when are we going on a roadtrip to spread the word? them faggots better watch out. while we’re at it, let’s revitalize State Rights so that we can bring back Slavery. it is our right as stated in the bible.

    goddamnit, i’m psyched! the motherfucking spirit is in me. let’s go kill us some atheists, hoss.

    how did i do? xtian enough for your motherfuckers?

  49. on 07 Apr 2014 at 3:31 am 49.alex said …

    readers. if you decide to forgo your god delusion, i’m sure the hor motherfucker will warn you.

    you’ll turn into alex. you’ll do volunteer work including anonymously running a non-profit website that helps the poor. and to demonstrate your tolerance, you’d approve secular religion.

    gays would be ok by you and you’ll treat women equally and with respect. and worse of all, you WILL NOT put up with any bullshit.

    you’ve been warned.

  50. on 09 Apr 2014 at 12:46 am 50.The messenger said …

    Alex, if you were the one that posted comments 1056 and 1057, you are just corrupt and pathetic.

    Stop the hate, and follow GOD.

  51. on 09 Apr 2014 at 11:40 am 51.alex said …

    “if you were the one that posted comments 1056 and 1057, you are just corrupt and pathetic.”

    that’s because god is moderating your comments, you easily, confused idiot.

    learn, motherfucker. do you see “comment is awaiting moderation”? that’s your god’s handiwork, moron.

  52. on 10 Apr 2014 at 12:29 am 52.alex said …

    i guess, god tired of these motherfuckers using His name in vain. he’s censoring messenger and hor.

    har!

  53. on 10 Apr 2014 at 11:29 am 53.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Poor Alex, he has no one to curse at and target his hatred at here. He cannot attack the woman here with B***ch because everyone is gone. He can just languish in his own hate and bigotry. It”s easy to be a tough guy behind the screen

    I am shutting down the blog.. Good night.

  54. on 10 Apr 2014 at 1:35 pm 54.alex said …

    “I am shutting down the blog..”

    delusional power granted by your skydaddy? wrong again.

    this is what shut you down: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    a.k.a. the book of hor

  55. on 12 Apr 2014 at 1:11 am 55.The messenger said …

    1060.alex, you are so lost.

  56. on 12 Apr 2014 at 2:34 am 56.alex said …

    “.alex, you are so lost.”

    and what’s a true xtian, you dumb motherfucker?

    why so many denominations? if i was going to be a xtian, i sure as hell aint picking your group. i’d be a motherfucking mormon with multiple women.

    and once again, the proof why you’re such a dipshit:

    http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

  57. on 13 Apr 2014 at 1:11 am 57.The messenger said …

    1066.alex, you have no brains, do you.

    YOU ARE CORRUPTED BY HATE.

  58. on 13 Apr 2014 at 1:42 am 58.alex said …

    “you have no brains, do you.”

    make up your mind, you dumbfuck.

    toldya, i’m going to be a mormon and gather me some white women. whatzamatter, not xtian enough for you?

    maybe if i raped a virgin and married her, will i be your hero?

    dumbass, motherfucker.

  59. on 13 Apr 2014 at 1:16 pm 59.azriel said …

    Such hate from the theists

  60. on 13 Apr 2014 at 11:11 pm 60.The messenger said …

    1069.azriel, hate from theists? Are you kidding me?

    Atheists are the hateful ones here. When ever we try to have a logical debate, with alex, he does nothing but cuss and insult us.

    If I had a penny for every insult that alex has thrown at me I would have enough money to my a limo.

  61. on 13 Apr 2014 at 11:12 pm 61.The messenger said …

    I ment to type “buy”, not “my”.

    Sorry.

  62. on 13 Apr 2014 at 11:16 pm 62.The messenger said …

    1069.azriel, atheist, like your self, misinterpret the intentions of Catholic and Jewish messages.

    When we say that a person is doing something wrong or evil, your mind immediately jumps to the assumption that we hate you. You could not be more wrong. We do not hate you, we simply oppose your actions, and we wish to help you overcome the bad things that you are doing.

  63. on 15 Apr 2014 at 10:14 am 63.freddies_dead said …

    1066.The messenger said …

    1069.azriel, atheist, like your self, misinterpret the intentions of Catholic and Jewish messages.

    If we are then it’s no more than you misinterpreting the messages in your holy books. Eternal not meaning forever and stonings being non-literal.

    When we say that a person is doing something wrong or evil, your mind immediately jumps to the assumption that we hate you.

    Nope, it’s the threat of eternal damnation for finite “crimes” against an infinite being that shows theism to be hateful. It’s the horrific assertion that rape victims should marry their attackers that shows theism to be hateful. It’s the vile claim that, as long as your slave lasts more than 3 days before dying, you can beat them to within an inch of their lives that shows theism to be hateful. It’s the claim that loving people who just happen to share a gender should be stoned to death for their love that shows theism to be hateful.

    It’s not you that I brand hateful but your theism most definitely is.

    You could not be more wrong. We do not hate you, we simply oppose your actions, and we wish to help you overcome the bad things that you are doing.

    You should fix your own problems before you accuse others of doing “bad things”.

  64. on 15 Apr 2014 at 11:57 pm 64.The messenger said …

    1073.freddies_dead, the people that wrote the new testament were the first Catholics. Believe me, Catholics, such as my self, understand the true interpretations of the bible because it was us that wrote the texts.

  65. on 16 Apr 2014 at 12:11 am 65.The messenger said …

    1073.freddies_dead, hell is not a threat. If it was a threat, that would mean we deiced who goes to heaven and who does not. That is not the case at all. We have no say in who goes to heaven or hell, or how long they stay in hell.

    The new covenant it about forgiveness of sins, and following the laws because of our love and faith in GOD, instated of fear of punishment. Yes we should fear hell, but not very much because GOD is extremely forgiving.

  66. on 16 Apr 2014 at 12:07 pm 66.freddies_dead said …

    1068.The messenger said …

    1073.freddies_dead, the people that wrote the new testament were the first Catholics.

    So you admit it was Catholics that were responsible for much of the hatefulness, how very generous of you.

    Believe me, Catholics, such as my self, understand the true interpretations of the bible because it was us that wrote the texts.

    Simply being part of the group that claims responsibility for writing the stories doesn’t mean you’re suddenly imbued with the ability to interpret them correctly and it most certainly doesn’t make those stories true.

  67. on 16 Apr 2014 at 12:19 pm 67.freddies_dead said …

    1069.The messenger said …

    1073.freddies_dead, hell is not a threat.

    It most decidedly is. The Bible states quite clearly that the reward for failing to follow its commandments is a one way ticket to eternal damnation. That’s a threat, pure and simple.

    If it was a threat, that would mean we deiced who goes to heaven and who does not. That is not the case at all. We have no say in who goes to heaven or hell, or how long they stay in hell.

    That’s a total non-sequitur. No one claimed that the threat of Hell was in any way linked to the human ability to decide who goes there. The fact that you have no direct influence over the final destination of other people has no bearing on the status of Hell as a threat.

    The new covenant it about forgiveness of sins, and following the laws because of our love and faith in GOD, instated of fear of punishment.

    And yet there’s Hell, just waiting for you to fuck up. The giant stick to Heaven’s carrot.

    Yes we should fear hell, but not very much because GOD is extremely forgiving.

    Odd, this contradicts the Bible’s assertion that the vast majority of souls will spend an eternity in Hell for their failure to meet the required level of ass kissing. That’s Matthew 7:13-14 in case you were wondering.

  68. on 17 Apr 2014 at 12:00 am 68.The messenger said …

    1076.freddies_dead, Catholics do not teach hatred of people, but a dislike of certain ideas.

  69. on 17 Apr 2014 at 12:03 am 69.The messenger said …

    1076.freddies_dead, Catholics wee the authors of the new testament books, so doesn’t it make since that we would know the true interpretations of the bible.

  70. on 17 Apr 2014 at 12:08 am 70.The messenger said …

    1076.freddies_dead, catholics believe in the same interpretations of the new testament that the original authors did. They were passed down from generation to generation of catholics, and now they are known by modern catholics such as my self.

  71. on 17 Apr 2014 at 12:19 am 71.The messenger said …

    1077.freddies_dead, you liar, Matthew 7:13-14 simple states that salvation is hard to achieve, it states nothing about hell being eternal.

    Romans 10:13 proves that all people have the ability to go to heaven.

  72. on 17 Apr 2014 at 12:21 am 72.The messenger said …

    1077.freddies_dead, do you think that rapists and murders should go unpunished? GOD punishes them either in this life or in the after life(aka hell). So tell me, how is hell a bad thing? It is a place of punishment for bad people.

  73. on 17 Apr 2014 at 12:26 am 73.The messenger said …

    1077.freddies_dead, citizens of countries follow the laws for two reasons, either they love their country enough to follow the laws, or they fear prison, or both.

    Hell is the prison that GOD made people that never try to be kind and loving and never try to repent for their immoral decisions.

  74. on 17 Apr 2014 at 11:21 am 74.freddies_dead said …

    1072.The messenger said …

    1076.freddies_dead, Catholics do not teach hatred of people, but a dislike of certain ideas.

    So you don’t follow the Bible then as that surely does preach hatred of people.

  75. on 17 Apr 2014 at 11:22 am 75.freddies_dead said …

    1073.The messenger said …

    1076.freddies_dead, Catholics wee the authors of the new testament books, so doesn’t it make since that we would know the true interpretations of the bible.

    Not really, you’re claiming to know what a person (allegedly imbued with the Holy Spirit) meant when they wrote down edicts from God, in a language that you probably don’t speak, nearly 2000 years ago. All you have is translations of translations of those words and interpretations filtered through hundreds of minds before they reached yours.

  76. on 17 Apr 2014 at 11:22 am 76.freddies_dead said …

    1074.The messenger said …

    1076.freddies_dead, catholics believe in the same interpretations of the new testament that the original authors did. They were passed down from generation to generation of catholics, and now they are known by modern catholics such as my self.

    As I’ve already noted, the Bible you read today has been edited, translated and interpreted thousands of different ways since it’s inception. How do you know then, that your interpretation – which doesn’t comport with other Catholic interpretations – is the correct one? Have you had this revealed to you by your God? If so, how did you know it was God and not just something you imagined? How can we determine between what you claim to know and what you may have merely imagined?

  77. on 17 Apr 2014 at 11:24 am 77.freddies_dead said …

    1075.The messenger said …

    1077.freddies_dead, you liar, Matthew 7:13-14 simple states that salvation is hard to achieve, it states nothing about hell being eternal.

    You silly little man, Matthew 7:13-14 shows how the majority will go to Hell and the Bible states quite clearly (Matthew 25:41 for instance) that Hell is eternal (“everlasting” in the passage I noted before).

    Now we all know that you claim that when the Bible says something is eternal it doesn’t really mean it but even Jesus made it plain that Hell is eternal, see Mark 9:43-48.

    Romans 10:13 proves that all people have the ability to go to heaven.

    Luke 16:19-26 also shows that your destination is fixed i.e. you cannot go from Heaven to Hell and vice versa.

  78. on 17 Apr 2014 at 11:25 am 78.freddies_dead said …

    1076.The messenger said …

    1077.freddies_dead, do you think that rapists and murders should go unpunished?

    Nope. Unlike you, with your vile idea of forcing the rape victims to marry their attackers, I’d prefer to see them in prison for their crimes.

    GOD punishes them either in this life or in the after life(aka hell).

    God does no such thing as He does not exist.

    So tell me, how is hell a bad thing? It is a place of punishment for bad people.

    No, the concept of Hell is disgusting. A place of infinite torment for finite crimes. It’s also indiscriminate. It doesn’t matter if you’re “good” or “bad”. All that’s important is your belief/trust in a particular version of a particular God i.e. the old chestnut about Hitler repenting before death and enjoying a seat in Heaven whilst his Jewish victims burn for all eternity simply because they failed to accept the divinity of Jesus.

  79. on 17 Apr 2014 at 11:26 am 79.freddies_dead said …

    1077.The messenger said …

    1077.freddies_dead, citizens of countries follow the laws for two reasons, either they love their country enough to follow the laws, or they fear prison, or both.

    Hell is the prison that GOD made people that never try to be kind and loving and never try to repent for their immoral decisions.

    You do not believe in the Biblical version of Hell then, as that version shows that it’s irrelevant whether you’re kind and loving and it’s your belief in a certain version of God that counts. The Bible makes it clear that you could be the nicest person on the planet but, should you fail to recognise Jesus as your saviour and repent, you will spend all eternity being tormented for your “sin”.

    It’s a truly disgusting doctrine but fortunately it’s all bullshit.

  80. on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:12 pm 80.The messenger said …

    1084.freddies_dead, the bible teaches us to love all people in John 13:34-35. It commands us to love the people around us (aka, our neighbors) in Leviticus 19:18 and Matthew 22:36-40. It even commands us to love our enemies and to pray for the people that treat us badly in Matthew 5:43-48.

    Tell me, where does the bible say for us to hate anyone?

    GOD wants us to oppose certain actions, but never hate anyone.

  81. on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:16 pm 81.The messenger said …

    1085.freddies_dead, the catholic interpretations of the bible are the exact same ones that the authors of the new testament believed in. Those interpretations were passed down from the authors and now are known by modern Catholics.

    Lastly, they are accurate translations from the original Hebrew and Greek texts.

  82. on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:25 pm 82.The messenger said …

    1086.freddies_dead, yes the protestants have interpreted the bible in many different ways, but can you provide a single shred of proof that the catholic interpretation has changed?

  83. on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:45 pm 83.The messenger said …

    1087.freddies_dead, you liar, Matthew 7:13-14 does state that few people find the path to salvation, but you do not realize that it was speaking about the people during that time period. But revelations 10:13 and 3:20 reveal that if we seek GOD(will be all of us) we will achieve salvation.

  84. on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:46 pm 84.The messenger said …

    1087.freddies_dead, you liar, Matthew 7:13-14 does state that few people find the path to salvation, but you do not realize that it was speaking about the people during that time period. But revelations 10:13 and 3:20 reveal that if we seek GOD(will be all of us) we will achieve salvation.

    Therefore if we go to hell and later seek GOD, we will go to heaven and leave hell.

  85. on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:51 pm 85.The messenger said …

    1088.freddies_dead, I think that you have been misunderstanding me, the word marriage does not necessarily mean the rings and brides maid type of marriage. Marriage means the joining of two things, therefore if a person commits the sin of rape he must bind himself to her and serve her for the rest of his life.

  86. on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:54 pm 86.The messenger said …

    1088.freddies_dead, tell me, what proof do you have that disproves GOD? I have given you lots of proof that GOD exists, yet you still deny his existence.

    You are not skeptic, you are in denial or you are insane, or both.

  87. on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:58 pm 87.The messenger said …

    1089.freddies_dead, you are wrong. It does not matter wheather or not you belive in GOD. As long as you follow the following commandments with the best of your ability.“Do not commit murder; do not commit adultery; do not steal; do not accuse anyone falsely; 19 respect your father and your mother; and love your neighbor as you love yourself.”

    This was revealed in Matthew 19:16-19.

  88. on 18 Apr 2014 at 2:00 am 88.The messenger said …

    freddies_dead, in the past you have criticized GOD because you think that the laws of the bible cannot possibly be followed all of the time. You are correct in saying that they are broken often and most humans are incapable of following the law all of the time. But you misunderstand the purpose of the law. The laws of the bible are not meant to keep us right with GOD, but they are meant to help us know when we have sinned so that we can correct our selves.

  89. on 18 Apr 2014 at 9:03 pm 89.alex said …

    “but can you provide a single shred of proof that the catholic interpretation has changed?”

    that’s why you’re the king dumbass motherfucker. you can’t bother to even look up “cubits” and you’re asking for proof? we’re hip to your shit. you keep asking these dumbass questions while at the same time masquerading as the self appointed catholic representative.

    that’s right bitch. you don’t follow all the rules of catholicism and yet you spout off on this blog like you’re the pope.

    i ain’t looking it up for you, you dumbass. look it up your damn self, bitch, motherfucker.

  90. on 19 Apr 2014 at 2:39 am 90.The messenger said …

    1099.alex, I have researched cubits. I simply stated that since it was one of the oldest measurements that it probably changed slightly over time and probably the “cubit” that we know today is a little bigger or a little smaller than the original.

  91. on 19 Apr 2014 at 1:50 pm 91.alex said …

    “but can you provide a single shred of proof that the catholic interpretation has changed?”

    did you look it up? you dumbass motherfucker.

  92. on 19 Apr 2014 at 9:52 pm 92.The messenger said …

    1101.alex, fred made the claim, so he should be the one to look it up and back up his ridiculous claim.

  93. on 19 Apr 2014 at 10:04 pm 93.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “infinite torment for finite crimes”

    lol!!!!!!!! What is a “finite crime”? In atheist world is a crime no longer committed after like 10 yrs? 20yrs?

    oh Freddie mouse you are a card. I especially enjoy how atheists have determined what is moral, immoral, what is a finite crime and if and when it should be punished when they have no moral absolutes!!!
    You know, they make themselves God…..

    ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  94. on 19 Apr 2014 at 10:27 pm 94.alex said …

    hor motherfucker is back! here’s more shit in his book: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    what happened to the shutdown? you dumbass.

  95. on 19 Apr 2014 at 10:31 pm 95.alex said …

    “he should be the one to look it up and back up his ridiculous claim.”

    no motherfucker, you’re an idiot. remember this nugget of yours? “therefore modern humans do not know exactly how long a cubit is.”.

    shows what a lazy, ignorant motherfucker you truly are. in case you’ve forgotten, this is your fucked up collection of idiocy: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

  96. on 19 Apr 2014 at 10:44 pm 96.The messenger said …

    1105.alex, you say that you were referring to this claim, “therefore modern humans do not know exactly how long a cubit is.”., yet you posted the quote “but can you provide a single shred of proof that the catholic interpretation has changed?”.

    STAY ON SUBJECT.

    P.S., drop your stupid cubit argument and get on subject. When ever you get confronted you always randomly bring up the cubit as an excuse to change the subject. And yes I did look it up and discovered that over time some measurement like the cubit never had an exact meaning until written records came along.

  97. on 19 Apr 2014 at 10:45 pm 97.The messenger said …

    1105.alex, this debate was between me and fred.

    Stay out you idiot. Let fred speak for himself.

  98. on 19 Apr 2014 at 10:47 pm 98.The messenger said …

    1104.alex, until you start acting mature I will not respond to you comments.

  99. on 20 Apr 2014 at 12:28 am 99.alex said …

    “When ever you get confronted you always randomly bring up the cubit as an excuse to change the subject.”

    that’s because you got zero credibility, you dumb motherfucker. your own catholic church doesn’t agree with your fucked up “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)”.

    and yet, you spout off in here like you’re the xtian sole representative. i keep bringing up cubit because it perfectly illustrates what a dumb, lazy, motherfucker you are.

    and you can’t run away from your fucked up collection, as it’s demonstrated here: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    that’s right bitch. you can’t run away from your history of stoopid.

  100. on 20 Apr 2014 at 12:30 am 100.alex said …

    “this debate was between me and fred.”

    motherfucker, this is a blog. fred ain’t debating your dumb ass anymore than i would be debating a two year old that believes in santa.

    asshole.

  101. on 21 Apr 2014 at 12:32 am 101.The messenger said …

    1109.alex, you are the dum one in this.

    You think that I meant “marriage” as in the brides maid and rings type of marriage. I did not mean that. I meant “marriage” as in one person joining to the other so that he may serve her.

    You do not have a brain do you.

    Also I was discussing with fred, then you rudely butted in. Let fred speak for himself and stop interrupting.

  102. on 21 Apr 2014 at 1:34 am 102.alex said …

    “You think that I meant “marriage” as in the brides maid and rings type of marriage.”

    perfect demonstration of what a dumb motherfucker you truly are. you wrote marriage, but you don’t mean marriage. just like eternal is not permanent, eh? you dumbass.

    did you ask the pope if a rapist can serve the victim instead of getting punished? bet he says no. this is why you’re a stupid, dumbass, motherfucker. you keep making up shit and expect people to believe you?

    i don’t give a fuck if you’re waiting on freddie. this a motherfucking internet blog, no? go fuck yourself.

    again, you shit collection here: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

  103. on 21 Apr 2014 at 2:08 am 103.alex said …

    peeps, listen up. heed the words of the wise messenger. wisdom just drips off the motherfucker. here’s his most notable quotes per: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    1. Hell does not last forever.

    2. I have also seen heaven my self and it is amazing.

    3. Allah and Yahweh are the same GOD

    4. if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)

    5. if you have a glass of salt water and you pour more water in(fresh water), it does not change the salinity, ph, temp or chemistry.

    6. Atheists can go to heaven if they are truly kind, forgiving, compassionate, humble people.

    7. I never said that “eternal” does not mean forever. I simply stated that due to the surrounding text, the word “eternal” is not used in a literal way, but is used to stress a long period of time.

    8. You think that I meant “marriage” as in the brides maid and rings type of marriage. I did not mean that. I meant “marriage” as in one person joining to the other so that he may serve her.

    here’s an easy one for you. among the millions of catholics out there, pick out 10 well known motherfuckers out there and list them here if they agree with you, the self proclaimed, righteous one.

    of course, you won’t, coz you’re a dumb motherfucker.

  104. on 21 Apr 2014 at 11:52 pm 104.The messenger said …

    1112.alex, I never said that the word “marriage” did not mean “the brides maid and rings type of marriage”.

    I will reword my comment to help you understand it.

    Marriage does mean “the brides maid and rings type of marriage”, but it can also mean the joining of two things or people without holy matrimony. It depends on the context.

  105. on 21 Apr 2014 at 11:54 pm 105.The messenger said …

    1113.alex, you are so childish its not even funny.

  106. on 22 Apr 2014 at 1:56 am 106.alex said …

    “you are so childish its not even funny.”

    guilty as charged and maybe more. i’m bad mannered, irritable and i watch too much porn. difference between me and you xtian morons is that i don’t claim to be representing or trying to convince anybody.

    you, otoh, claim to represent the entire catholic community. in your book, http://goo.gl/ib8BHO, you stated:

    1. Hell does not last forever.

    2. I have also seen heaven my self and it is amazing.

    3. Allah and Yahweh are the same GOD

    4. if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)

    5. if you have a glass of salt water and you pour more water in(fresh water), it does not change the salinity, ph, temp or chemistry.

    6. Atheists can go to heaven if they are truly kind, forgiving, compassionate, humble people.

    7. I never said that “eternal” does not mean forever. I simply stated that due to the surrounding text, the word “eternal” is not used in a literal way, but is used to stress a long period of time.

    8. You think that I meant “marriage” as in the brides maid and rings type of marriage. I did not mean that. I meant “marriage” as in one person joining to the other so that he may serve her.

    but, you can’t even list a few notable catholics that even remotely agree with you. even your notorious blog roommate, the hor motherfucker, won’t even agree with you, so what does that make you?

    a delusional, lazy, dumbass motherfucker.

  107. on 22 Apr 2014 at 6:27 am 107.Severin said …

    #1093
    “I especially enjoy how atheists have determined what is moral, immoral, what is a finite crime and if and when it should be punished when they have no moral absolutes!!!”

    I do have moral absolutes.
    For example:
    Don’t kill, don’t rape, don’t steal, be kind, be compassionate, help people as much as you can and more if necessary (for example if their lives are endangered), in short: never do to people anything you would not like them to do to you.
    Those moral absolutes come from my genes, from my parents, from society I am living with.

    Now, where from do your come?

    Can you kindly stress a single verse from the Bible,(or a few of them) representing moral absolutes you follow?

    Please do! Do not hesitate!
    If you are not able to (because there are no such things in the Bible), tell us where YOUR moral absolutes come from?

  108. on 22 Apr 2014 at 6:45 am 108.Severin said …

    #1093

    I mean, why don’t you help me?

    If I determine my moral absolutes in a wrong way, and they (my moral absolutes) are wrong, why don’t you show me where to find the right ones?

    Where did you read yours?

    Don’t be selfish!

  109. on 22 Apr 2014 at 7:11 am 109.Severin said …

    #1029
    “Me and many catholics(including the current pope) believe that athiests can go to heaven.”

    So, If there is a heaven, I will go there anyway.

    What, then, is the purpose of your braking winds in here?
    What are you trying to say?
    What are you trying to do?

    WHAT?

  110. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:22 pm 110.The messenger said …

    1116.alex, Al, all of that stuff (minus the seeing heaven thing, which was just a dream) I have backed up with text evidence from the bible.

  111. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:26 pm 111.The messenger said …

    1119.Severin, I am attempting to inform all of you about the truth so that you may live better lives on earth and will help others live better lives as well.

    Yes we will all go to heaven, but some of us will spend time in hell first, so I am trying to enlighten you all and help you become kinder and more loving towards one another so that you will not have to go through hell.

    To sum it up, I am spreading a message of loving one another, and I am trying to save you from hell.

  112. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:27 pm 112.alex said …

    “Me and many catholics(including the current pope) believe that athiests can go to heaven.”

    cept motherfuckers like messenger insist that they righteously know what the criteria is. which is laughable because the entire xtian population can’t even agree what a true xtian is.

    no? messenger will insist that his brand is the real deal, but in reality, his OWN xtian leadershit don’t even agree with the dipshit’s delusionals. case in point per: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage) and serve her for the rest of his life.”

    that’s right bitch. try recanting this one, and i won’t have any more reasons to bring it up.

  113. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:29 pm 113.The messenger said …

    1118.Severin, They are in the new testament.

  114. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:30 pm 114.The messenger said …

    1119.Severin, I am attempting to inform all of you about the truth so that you may live better lives on earth and will help others live better lives as well.

    Yes we will all go to heaven, but some of us will spend time in hell first, so I am trying to enlighten you all and help you become kinder and more loving towards one another so that you will not have to go through hell.

    To sum it up, I am spreading a message of loving one another, and I am trying to save you from hell.
    .

  115. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:34 pm 115.The messenger said …

    1117.Severin, moral absolutes do not come from genes.

    Furthermore, where do you think society got all of those moral teachings that you know? They got it from Jewish/Christian teachings and traditions that that after a time became not only a part of Jewish/Christian society but also secular society as well.

  116. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:36 pm 116.The messenger said …

    1117.Severin, although the belief in GOD did not transfer to secular society, the moral teachings did.

  117. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:49 pm 117.alex said …

    “I am attempting to inform all of you about the truth”

    you mean the bullshit in?: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    we don’t buy it, any more than we buy the rapist marrying the virgin, any more than we buy that you can’t change the salinity of salt water by adding fresh water, any more than we buy that all modern animals descended from the ark animals.

    you’re full of shit and your book proves it.

  118. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:51 pm 118.The messenger said …

    1117.Severin, you stated “Don’t kill, don’t rape, don’t steal, be kind, be compassionate, help people as much as you can and more if necessary (for example if their lives are endangered), in short: never do to people anything you would not like them to do to you.”

    Do you realize that those teaching come from Matthew 7:12, Exodus 20:1-17, Leviticus 19:11, Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Deuteronomy 5:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 13:9.

  119. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:54 pm 119.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “Don’t kill, don’t rape, don’t steal, be kind, be compassionate, help people as”

    Then can you let the other atheist know? They claim there is NO SUCH THING as moral absolutes.

    PZ Meyers claims rape is ok is some societies because the society has deemed it ok.

    Here, on this blog, atheist claim it is ok to lie and steal. How do we know we are dealing with a moral atheist or and atheist who we need to keep our hands on our wallet when we deal with?

    I wish you guys could come to a consensus.

  120. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:57 pm 120.alex said …

    “Do you realize that those teaching come from…”

    do you also realize this? Exodus 31:15

    For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.

    and? you’ll claim it’s not literal, but you righteously quote other convenient shit, even though you have no criteria to cite which passages are to be taken literally.

    how about you go fuck yourself?

  121. on 22 Apr 2014 at 10:59 pm 121.The messenger said …

    1127.alex, I already explained that “marriage” means the joining of two people, in other words it means binding together of two people, but not necessarily with rings and a wedding, but as the binding of a servant to a master.

    In other words the rapist must marry(bind him self to her, but not in the wedding and rings type way) and serve her for the rest of his life.

  122. on 22 Apr 2014 at 11:03 pm 122.alex said …

    “I wish you guys could come to a consensus.”

    us guys? you and the other motherfucker, named messenger, can’t even agree with each other. two motherfucking contradictory xtian idiots!

    do you agree with everything here? http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    the only thing atheists agree with is the bullshityness of your god, period. all that other shit is just plain diversions you like to keep bringing up in your lame attempt. in case you’ve forgotten, here’s your sorry ass collection of posts: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    notice how it miraculously updates itself when you spout off more bullshit.

  123. on 22 Apr 2014 at 11:07 pm 123.alex said …

    “In other words the rapist must marry(bind him self to her, but not in the wedding and rings type way) and serve her for the rest of his life.”

    you’re getting close, but until the pope and other xtians agree with you, you have to be considered full of shit.

    you have no trouble discarding selected biblical passages, but yet you desperately cling to this notion. why is it so important to you?

    why is it so important to me? the same reason why most reasonable people think it’s bullshit, and for a variety of different reasons. if you can’t figure that out, it confirms why you’re a dumb motherfucker.

  124. on 22 Apr 2014 at 11:15 pm 124.The messenger said …

    1130.alex, dude the Sabbath thing was a ritual rule of the only covenant that is not included in the new covenant.

    Furthermore, it was revealed john 8:5-8 that no human (except Jesus) is allowed to sentence a person to death.

  125. on 22 Apr 2014 at 11:19 pm 125.The messenger said …

    1133.alex, can you find any that disagree?

  126. on 22 Apr 2014 at 11:25 pm 126.alex said …

    “it was revealed john 8:5-8 that no human (except Jesus) is allowed to sentence a person to death.”

    and yet, you conveniently forgot: luke 16:17

    it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

    even for you, see how easy it is to dismiss shit, but why do you keep clinging to this?

    “..the rapist must marry(bind him self to her, but not in the wedding and rings type way) and serve her for the rest of his life.”

  127. on 22 Apr 2014 at 11:34 pm 127.alex said …

    “can you find any that disagree?”

    my entire xtian family/relatives/friends regularly amuse themselves by reading this blog and not a single one of them agree with:

    1. Hell does not last forever.

    2. I have also seen heaven my self and it is amazing.

    3. Allah and Yahweh are the same GOD

    4. if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)

    5. if you have a glass of salt water and you pour more water in(fresh water), it does not change the salinity, ph, temp or chemistry.

    6. Atheists can go to heaven if they are truly kind, forgiving, compassionate, humble people.

    7. I never said that “eternal” does not mean forever. I simply stated that due to the surrounding text, the word “eternal” is not used in a literal way, but is used to stress a long period of time.

    8. You think that I meant “marriage” as in the brides maid and rings type of marriage. I did not mean that. I meant “marriage” as in one person joining to the other so that he may serve her.

    and in his silence, the “hor” motherfucker disagrees, that’s why he’s mute about your foolishness in: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

  128. on 22 Apr 2014 at 11:50 pm 128.alex said …

    “can you find any that disagree?”

    your turn. since you claim to be the preaching, motherfucking, xtian expert. post the official catholic stance that agrees with your:

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her”

  129. on 23 Apr 2014 at 12:02 am 129.The messenger said …

    1136.alex, john 8:5-8 does not go against luke 16:17. John’s verse shows us how to understand the stoning verses.

    John 8:5-8 shows us that the biblical stoning verses cannot possibly mean a literal stoning. The stoning verses are not being done away with, but they are just understood as not literal.

  130. on 23 Apr 2014 at 12:16 am 130.alex said …

    “one dot of the Law to become void.”

    english, motherfucka, do you speak it? you can’t wiggle out of this one. if it’s not literal, what is the consequence? no heaven for me?

    your turn. since you claim to be the preaching, motherfucking, xtian expert. post the official catholic stance that agrees with your:

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her”

  131. on 23 Apr 2014 at 12:51 am 131.The messenger said …

    1140.alex, I already told you, every word in the law is the same. The wording has not changed. The understanding of the law is all that changed. The early Jews thought that the stoning verses were to be interpreted as literal, but Jesus revealed that they were not literal.

    The laws are not done away with. They were simply understood as not literal.

  132. on 23 Apr 2014 at 12:52 am 132.The messenger said …

    1137.alex, you family obviously does not understand anything about Judaism or Christianity.

  133. on 23 Apr 2014 at 1:23 am 133.alex said …

    “you family obviously does not understand anything about Judaism or Christianity.”

    and what’s my position? you’re full of shit.

    since you claim to be the preaching, motherfucking, xtian catholic expert, post the official catholic stance that agrees with you on:

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her”

    what? the catholic church doesn’t agree with you? means you’re fulla shitta, dumb, muddafucka.

  134. on 23 Apr 2014 at 1:39 am 134.alex said …

    messenger, shouldn’t you be trolling catholic sites?

    show some balls and hit them with the same mucho gusto. instead of arguing with the atheists here, tell them what dumbass catholics they are, and that you are the man and they should read your precious collection of posts: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    report back, willya?

  135. on 23 Apr 2014 at 1:52 am 135.alex said …

    “The understanding of the law is all that changed.”

    and the pope understand that rapists should be allowed to serve the victim instead of punishment? of course, not! because the delusional bitch, messenger, marches to the drumbeat in his own head that nobody else hears.

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her”

    repent and recant this ridiculous statement and i won’t bring it up again, ya bitch, motherfucker.

  136. on 23 Apr 2014 at 8:16 am 136.Severin said …

    #1111
    “am trying to enlighten you all and help you become kinder and more loving towards one another so that you will not have to go through hell.
    To sum it up, I am spreading a message of loving one another, and I am trying to save you from hell.”

    Did I ask you to help me or to enlighten me?
    Did anyone?

    Don’t you feel a little bit foolish with your forcing around help and enlightenment that no one ever asked from you?

    There is a local fool in my town who baptizes people around by spraying them with water from plastic gun, making signs of cross and babbling something in “Latin”.

    Well, that is a poor local fool!
    Everybody mocks with him, but he never realizes his foolishness.
    Doing exactly the same on Internet, you spread your foolishness globally.

    You miserable global fool, I can only feel compassion for you, same as for my local fool, who “baptizes” me every now and then.

  137. on 23 Apr 2014 at 8:29 am 137.Severin said …

    #1117
    “Furthermore, where do you think society got all of those moral teachings that you know?”

    Society of Australian Aborigines perfectly functioned for some 30,000 years and more without knowing anything about Christianity.
    They certainly had moral codes, otherwise they would not survive. Who was the one who taught them not to kill, rape, steal, …

    Ancient Egyptian society functioned perfectly without Christianity.

    Many societies lasted for thousands of years without knowing Christianity ever.

    How was it possible?

    Where did their moral codes, that OBVIOUSLY made them live and survive, come from?

    From New Testament?

    Shit!

  138. on 23 Apr 2014 at 2:53 pm 138.Severin said …

    #1113
    “1118.Severin, They are in the new testament.”

    Which ones, specifically, one by one?

  139. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:08 pm 139.Severin said …

    #1127
    “4. if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)”

    And, of course, no one asks nothing the poor raped woman.

    Should she be happy with “binding” with the rapist?
    Of course she should!
    She is only a woman!

    If someone raped your daughter, you would probably ask the rapist to “bind” to her for life!?

    You obviously support such a twisted, perverse logic?
    I mean: YOU SAID THAT (Messenger)

    Get out off here, you pervert!

  140. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:13 pm 140.freddies_dead said …

    1084.The messenger said …

    1084.freddies_dead, the bible teaches us to love all people in John 13:34-35. It commands us to love the people around us (aka, our neighbors) in Leviticus 19:18 and Matthew 22:36-40. It even commands us to love our enemies and to pray for the people that treat us badly in Matthew 5:43-48.

    Tell me, where does the bible say for us to hate anyone?

    When it talks of rape victims marrying their attackers that’s hatred to women. When it talks of taking the virgin women as spoils of war that’s more hatred towards women. When it talks about being able to beat your slave as long as they don’t die within 3 days that’s hatred right there. Just like it’s preaching hatred toward people when it demands the stoning to death of homosexuals or unruly children. Whenever your God commands the destruction of some tribe or other, that’s hatred. You don’t commit genocide out of love.

    GOD wants us to oppose certain actions, but never hate anyone.

    The Bible might make that claim explicitly but then contradicts itself (as usual) by implying it’s totally OK to hate people as long as you’re following God’s commandments.

  141. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:13 pm 141.freddies_dead said …

    1085.The messenger said …

    1085.freddies_dead, the catholic interpretations of the bible are the exact same ones that the authors of the new testament believed in. Those interpretations were passed down from the authors and now are known by modern Catholics.

    That’s a big claim. How do you know this? How are you aware of the thoughts of the original authors? And why then do modern Catholics disagree on areas of doctrine? If you all knew what the original authors meant wouldn’t you all agree?

    Lastly, they are accurate translations from the original Hebrew and Greek texts.

    What about Aramaic? And accurate in what way? Words don’t tend to have a 1:1 ratio when you go from one language to another so there will be times when the translation doesn’t quite match the original context or meaning. Those errors – along with copying errors – will mean you’ll reach a point where the words will bear little resemblance to the originals. Hell, even the Biblical scholars note there are differences among the oldest scrolls – they also concede that the oldest scrolls are but copies of the originals.

  142. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:14 pm 142.freddies_dead said …

    1086.The messenger said …

    1086.freddies_dead, yes the protestants have interpreted the bible in many different ways, but can you provide a single shred of proof that the catholic interpretation has changed?

    Ah, so which of the dozens of Catholic denominations is the One True Catholicism? Maybe it’s the Free Catholic Church or the True Catholic Church? Are the Sedevacantists right about the Pope? What about the Eastern Orthodox Catholics vs the Roman Catholics.

    Your claims about Catholics all having the same interpretations are palpable nonsense – nothing new from you of course.

  143. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:15 pm 143.freddies_dead said …

    1087.The messenger said …

    1087.freddies_dead, you liar, Matthew 7:13-14 does state that few people find the path to salvation, but you do not realize that it was speaking about the people during that time period.

    And where is your evidence that Matthew is speaking only to the people of that time? Because there sure as Hell isn’t anything in the surrounding context to back up your ridiculous claim. Or is this another case of you knowing exactly what the writer meant when he wrote it down before it was edited, codified and translated?

    But revelations 10:13

    WTF? Revelation 10 has only 11 verses

    and 3:20 reveal that if we seek GOD(will be all of us) we will achieve salvation.

    How can you “hear my (God’s) voice” when Hell is a place set apart from God? This makes no sense except when understood as a statement to those that still live, those that still have the opportunity to repent and find salvation.

    The Bible is clear that Hell is forever (Mark 9:43-48) and that once you are there then there’s no way out (Luke 16:19-26).

  144. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:15 pm 144.freddies_dead said …

    1089.The messenger said …

    1088.freddies_dead, I think that you have been misunderstanding me, the word marriage does not necessarily mean the rings and brides maid type of marriage. Marriage means the joining of two things, therefore if a person commits the sin of rape he must bind himself to her and serve her for the rest of his life.

    A union is a union whether or not there are rings and bridesmaids, your attempt to muddy the issue with a deliberately obscure meaning of the word when the traditional meaning i.e. a proper marriage, becoming man and wife etc…. will do is duly noted. The simple fact is, that forcing anybody who is the victim of rape into any kind of union with their attacker is a disgusting idea. Rational people understand this.

  145. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:16 pm 145.freddies_dead said …

    1090.The messenger said …

    1088.freddies_dead, tell me, what proof do you have that disproves GOD?

    As per the argument given by Dawson Bethrick at his blog “Incinerating Presuppositionalism”:

    Step 1: Truth rests exclusively on the primacy of existence metaphysics:

    P1-1: If truth is the identification of reality based on facts which obtain independently of conscious activity (such as preferences, likes and dislikes, wishes, fantasies, emotions, temper tantrums, evasion, etc.), then truth rests exclusively on the primacy of existence metaphysics.

    P1-2: Truth is the identification of reality based on facts which obtain independently of conscious activity (such as preferences, likes and dislikes, wishes, fantasies, emotions, temper tantrums, evasion, etc.).

    C1: Therefore, truth rests exclusively on the primacy of existence metaphysics.

    Step 2: Theism assumes the primacy of consciousness metaphysics:

    P2-1: If theism affirms the existence of a being which can create existence by an act of will, alter the nature of objects which are distinct from itself by an act of will, and/or cause such objects to act by an act of will, then theism assumes the primacy of consciousness metaphysics.

    P2-2: Theism affirms the existence of a being which can create existence by an act of will, alter the nature of objects which are distinct from itself by an act of will, and/or cause such to act in any way by an act of will.

    C2: Therefore, theism assumes the primacy of consciousness metaphysics.

    Step 3: Theism cannot be true:

    P3-1: If theism assumes the primacy of consciousness metaphysics, then theism is incompatible with the primacy of existence metaphysics and consequently cannot be true. (From Step 1 above)

    P3-2: Theism assumes the primacy of consciousness metaphysics. (From Step 2 above)

    C3: Therefore theism is incompatible with the primacy of existence metaphysics and consequently cannot be true.

    I have given you lots of proof that GOD exists, yet you still deny his existence.

    You’ve given us nothing but ridiculous anecdotes about possible atmospheric phenomena witnessed by gullible fools in a field.

    You are not skeptic, you are in denial or you are insane, or both.

    Your pathetic ad-hom has been noted.

  146. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:17 pm 146.freddies_dead said …

    1091.The messenger said …

    1089.freddies_dead, you are wrong. It does not matter wheather or not you belive in GOD. As long as you follow the following commandments with the best of your ability.“Do not commit murder; do not commit adultery; do not steal; do not accuse anyone falsely; 19 respect your father and your mother; and love your neighbor as you love yourself.”

    This was revealed in Matthew 19:16-19.

    Matthew 19:17 Jesus asks “Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.” If Jesus isn’t God then why should I accept his admonission to follow only some of the commandments? In Matthew 5:18-19 Jesus also states that we should not break even the least of the commandments. Now you seem to be claiming that I only need to follow some commandments at the behest of one who claims not to be either good or God, whilst elsewhere in your Bible I’m told to follow all of the commandments – which will include that commandment to have only one God. So which passage should I go with? Is there some sort of secret information that somehow tells me which of each of the contradictions in the Bible I should accept and which I should discard?

  147. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:18 pm 147.freddies_dead said …

    1091.The messenger said …

    1089.freddies_dead, you are wrong. It does not matter wheather or not you belive in GOD. As long as you follow the following commandments with the best of your ability.“Do not commit murder; do not commit adultery; do not steal; do not accuse anyone falsely; 19 respect your father and your mother; and love your neighbor as you love yourself.”

    This was revealed in Matthew 19:16-19.

    Matthew 19:17 Jesus asks “Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.” If Jesus isn’t God then why should I accept his admonition to follow only some of the commandments? In Matthew 5:18-19 Jesus also states that we should not break even the least of the commandments. Now you seem to be claiming that I only need to follow some commandments at the behest of one who claims not to be either good or God, whilst elsewhere in your Bible I’m told to follow all of the commandments – which will include that commandment to have only one God. So which passage should I go with? Is there some sort of secret information that somehow tells me which of each of the contradictions in the Bible I should accept and which I should discard?

  148. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:20 pm 148.freddies_dead said …

    1092.The messenger said …

    freddies_dead, in the past you have criticized GOD because you think that the laws of the bible cannot possibly be followed all of the time.

    Oh, it’s not just because you can’t follow them all the time. They’re ludicrously contradictory. Thou shalt not kill (except when God does it/commands it). Thou shalt not lie (except when God does it/commands it) etc… etc…

    You are correct in saying that they are broken often and most humans are incapable of following the law all of the time. But you misunderstand the purpose of the law. The laws of the bible are not meant to keep us right with GOD, but they are meant to help us know when we have sinned so that we can correct our selves.

    Rubbish. According to the Bible God deliberately made everyone incapable of adhering to His “laws”. It makes no difference if we know this either, because we’re still incapable of adhering to His “laws” thanks to the way He made us. They’re pointless. We don’t need them to know we’ve sinned because the Bible points out quite clearly that we’ve all fallen short. It also points out that we’ve fallen short because God foreordained it that way. It’s all a pile of ridiculous nonsense.

  149. on 23 Apr 2014 at 3:40 pm 149.freddies_dead said …

    1097. A the lying prick posting as The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “infinite torment for finite crimes”

    lol!!!!!!!! What is a “finite crime”?

    A crime committed by a finite individual against some other finite individual over a finite amount of time. People and things – like crimes – don’t last for ever. Nnless you’ve got the same ridiculous view of “eternal” as messy does.

    In atheist world is a crime no longer committed after like 10 yrs? 20yrs?

    So a bank robbery lasts for ever? How about an individual murder, is that still happening? Or is the victim actually dead now? You really didn’t think this through did you? Just because you can still reference a crime through the use of past tense that doesn’t make it infinite.

    oh Freddie mouse you are a card.

    And you’re a lying prick.

    I especially enjoy how atheists have determined what is moral, immoral, what is a finite crime and if and when it should be punished when they have no moral absolutes!!!

    You’ll have an argument to demonstrate how atheists cannot have moral absolutes then, please present it. It will be funny to see someone mired in the inherent subjectivity of Christianity try to give an accounting for the objectivity they require in order to make such an argument.

    (I predict that A the lying prick won’t).

    You know, they make themselves God…..

    Like theists do when they imagine that their God hates just the same people in just the same way that they do you mean?

    ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Indeed.

  150. on 23 Apr 2014 at 4:56 pm 150.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “People and things – like crimes – don’t last for ever.”

    Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Once a crime is committed that event in time never changes and does remain idefinitrly ( that means always). You are so silly Freddie mouse with your silly reasoning.

    For you to tell a deity what the deity should do as punishment is silly as well. Thanks for a good laugh today.

    lol!!!

    Another claim to absolutes. Share them and the source please. Can you guys get on the same page?

    lol!!!!!!

  151. on 23 Apr 2014 at 6:27 pm 151.Severin said …

    #1119
    1.
    My question was simple:
    Tell me EXACTLY which are the Bible verses that you personally follow as moral absolutes?

    No answer?
    Nada! Nil! Zero!

    Which makes me think that, in fact, you do NOT follow Bible “moral absolutes”, because there is no such thing in the Bible
    Which makes you a liar.

    2.
    Well, my personal “moral absolutes” are pretty relative.
    I see that I used a wrong words, maybe I should say “my moral code”,which I certainly have, and which – I apologize for using wrong expression – certainly is not “absolutely strictly absolute”.

    I would, in principle, never lie, except when absolutely necessary (for example if a killer asks me where to find his potential victim).
    I would in principle never steal, except when absolutely necessary (steal a knife/gun from a potential killer), and I would in principle never kill, except if absolutely necessary (in self defense, or to prevent someone to make a murder).
    I would, of course never rape, under any circumstances imaginable. I am disgusting of any sort of violence.

    Does my moral code differs from yours in any point?
    Would you tell the killer where his victim is, to earn your place in heaven?

    Well, yes, I would NEVER turn another cheek to someone who slapped me.
    Maybe you would?

    3.
    I never ever saw an atheist on this blog who claimed that lying and stealing is GENERALLY OK.
    Maybe some of them used examples similar to mine, to show that SOMETIMES (in very special circumstances) lying and stealing causes less evil consequences than without lying and stealing.
    If someone claimed that those things are fine GENERALLY, I do NOT agree it, and I am certain that most atheists here don’t agree it.

    Which makes you a liar, again.

  152. on 23 Apr 2014 at 8:35 pm 152.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Oh Severin I see how this works. For you there is no such thing as morality. It is just your opinion vs opinion.

    Of course you get to decided when it is and is not OK to lie, steal, cheat, slander etc and then claim your act was moral based on circumstances

    What a great system Severin. In your world, you can always be moral because you declare it so. Sort of like your name-calling.

    Congratulations!

    PZ Meyers, an atheist, declares in some cultures rape was OK. He can’t declare another’s morality wrong. He is just another man. With relative morality it is not possible for an act to be wrong. Its all just opinion.

  153. on 23 Apr 2014 at 9:26 pm 153.alex said …

    “For you there is no such thing as morality. It is just your opinion vs opinion.”

    if this is true, then throw down a challenge. present a morality test and i’ll take the bitch and we’ll compare answers. let’s see if your bullshit god morals are so damn great. if atheists lack morals, my answers should be wrong 100%, yes?

    but, you won’t, because you’re a dumb, blustery, motherfucker as demonstrated in your book here: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    you bullspout, you divert, and you fantasize about shutting down this blog. about the same fantasy class as messenger’s wishful rapist marrying the virgin victim?

  154. on 23 Apr 2014 at 9:34 pm 154.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “present a morality test and”

    lol!!!!!!! You just failed!

    “if atheists lack morals”

    Impossible in atheist land all atheist are moral….right? Oh silly Alex this is way above your understanding.

    Luv ya Alex, I still say you are the best and a wonderful example for all children. I bet Severin agrees with me!

    blog open until further notice….

  155. on 23 Apr 2014 at 9:51 pm 155.alex said …

    ““present a morality test and”

    lol!!!!!!! You just failed!”

    yeah, says the hor, martin, science guy, biff, xenon, little ‘A’, Sweetness, boz, RL Wooten, and of course Horatio. the morality test grader.

    in his delusional state, i failed the nonexistent test. show the results, bitch. lay it side by side next to your test results. be brave and show the world.

    here’s what doesn’t lie, your bullshit book! http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    don’t be afraid, write me. the address is on the top of your page.

  156. on 23 Apr 2014 at 10:08 pm 156.Severin said …

    #1152
    “For you there is no such thing as morality.”

    That is quite possible. I don’t feel that way, but I might be wrong.

    But I WANT to feel moral! It seems (you told me) that I somehow missed to find something that you call “moral absolutes” in my life, to guide me.
    Poor me!

    That is why I kindly asked you to point parts of the Bible that YOU accept and follow as YOUR moral absolutes.
    To help me to become moral!

    But you permanently avoid answering that extremely simple question!
    Why is this question so difficult to answer?

    Because, in fact, you can not find anything that you would really follow in your Bible! Because there is NO “moral absolutes” in there, and you know it well!

    You would tell us if there were, wouldn’t you?
    But you tell us nothing!

    So, if:
    a) You DO claim that Bible contains moral absolutes
    b) You are unable to point them, because they aren’t there, and you know it, there are only 3 possible conclusions

    a) There is no moral absolutes in the Bible
    b) If you follow Bible as your moral guidance, and there is nothing moral in the Bible, and you deny all other possible sources of morality, then you must be highly immoral person
    c) You are a liar

    So, again: WHICH VERSES/SENTENCES/CLAIMS/STORIES/PARTS/… of the BIBLE would you recommend me to take as moral guidance in my life?
    Which ones do YOU follow, maybe I accept those ones?

    P.S.
    Fuck PZ Meyers! We are talking you and me.

  157. on 23 Apr 2014 at 10:29 pm 157.alex said …

    “That is why I kindly asked you to point parts of the Bible that YOU accept and follow as YOUR moral absolutes.

    To help me to become moral!”

    yeah, me too, great hor motherfucker, guru. show me the biblical passages that spell out morality. so that i too, like you, can join and partake in your wisdom.

    if you can’t, at least, share the website where i can order the fantasy xtian blue pill where i can enter wonderland and live in the fantasy world.

    please, motherfucker, please….i’m standing by…

  158. on 23 Apr 2014 at 11:14 pm 158.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “That is why I kindly asked you to point parts of the Bible that YOU accept and follow as YOUR moral absolutes.”

    Sorry……..you can’t have it both ways. You cannot be an atheist and understand absolutes as determined by an infinite deity.

    “To help me to become moral!”

    You claimed above you are moral,,,,,,,and in your past posts. What? You a liar now?

    lol!!!!!

    “But you permanently avoid answering that extremely simple question!”

    lol!!!1 I did? I just did and you are a liar. You atheist think you can have moral absolutes while not even believing in a divine law-giver. Not possible Chevy Sevy! lol!!!!

    “But I WANT to feel moral!”

    Lying some more, part of your moral code? Feeling come and go Chevy. You need to look for truth and give up this “feeling” whim. You sound like a 15 year old girl. But you made some progess. You now understand this relative morality stupidity is not workable.

    “PZ Meyers! We are talking you and me.”

    No, we are talking about you and PZ!!! You both suffer from relative morality. I set the tone around here Chevy.

    :)

  159. on 23 Apr 2014 at 11:22 pm 159.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Alex,

    I do have a website for you. Hope this helps ol’ buddy.

    www_albinoblacksheep_com/flash/psytest

  160. on 23 Apr 2014 at 11:30 pm 160.alex said …

    “I do have a website for you. Hope this helps ol’ buddy.”

    first you want to impose your bullshit. i capitulate and try to get your help and what do you do?

    you rant and rave, but you don’t even know what you want the atheists to do.

    which brand of xtianity should i pick? share your wisdom. when i encounter a moral test, point out the bible passage that shows me how to handle it.

    no? didn’t think so, you dumbass, motherfucker.
    the book of hor grows and grows. http://goo.gl/UYo1uS. your latest dumbass post on top.

    i’m still waiting for you to write. address on top of the page.

  161. on 24 Apr 2014 at 12:30 am 161.alex said …

    “Sorry……..you can’t have it both ways. You cannot be an atheist and understand absolutes as determined by an infinite deity.”

    what a dumbass. comes in here talking all that shit, but when it’s time to put up, up came the lame ass excuse that atheists cannot understand.

    cept, you motherfuckers didn’t have any problemo shoving that shit down the native american throats, didn’t you?

    dumbass.

  162. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:11 am 162.The messenger said …

    1143.alex, once again no substance.

  163. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:13 am 163.The messenger said …

    1146.Severin, correct you did not ask to be enlightened. But I am going to because you need it.

  164. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:22 am 164.The messenger said …

    1147.Severin, you say that those societies functioned perfectly without Christianity and Judaism. Interesting, but how do you explain all of the pagan human sacrifices that occurred? They would kidnap people and torcher and kill them in honor of their false GODs. The GOD of Judaism and Christianity teaches that people should not commit murder.

    Furthermore, soviet Russia abandoned Judaism and Christianity( Jewish and Christian morals ) and as a result millions of innocent people died. You would have to be insane or evil to think that those societies were “perfect” as you say.

  165. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:24 am 165.The messenger said …

    1148.Severin, just read the new testament and you will learn about the morals.

    But if you want a good source try the sermon on the mount.

  166. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:28 am 166.The messenger said …

    1149.Severin, the woman can break the bind and leave him if she wants to.

    Her rights are not being violated. She is the one that has power over the person that raped her. She gets to have him as a servant, that is good payback.

    1. She gets a free servant.

    2. She can leave him if she wants to.

    How is that bad?

  167. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:31 am 167.alex said …

    “once again no substance.”

    ye of the “rapist may marry their victim”? especially without your homies approval? what does that make you?

    a bullshitter, incomparabilis. look in up, beeyatch.

    so what did the catholic church say about your collection of posts? http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

    you didn’t distribute it? why not?

  168. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:36 am 168.alex said …

    “Her rights are not being violated. She is the one that has power over the person that raped her. She gets to have him as a servant, that is good payback.
    1. She gets a free servant.
    2. She can leave him if she wants to.
    How is that bad?”

    wow! please forward this to the pope and post his response. hell, forward it to any catholic church and post their response.

    you truly are an idiot.

    of course, the hor motherfucker’s silence on the matter is tacit approval. no? speak up, dumbass.

  169. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:39 am 169.The messenger said …

    1150.freddies_dead, how is “giving the woman a free servant that she can leave if she wants to” hateful in any way?

    1150.freddies_dead, the “taking of women captives in war” was only allowed when GOD specifically says that they can do that. It is not a part of the daily laws that we are meant to follow.

    1150.freddies_dead, although Hell may be separate from GOD, we are not. GOD is not separated from us and can still here and see un in hell.

    Furthermore, the bible talks about many ways that we can be saved, and those ways do not exclude hell. A person can exit hell and enter heaven if they except GOD.

  170. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:40 am 170.The messenger said …

    1150.freddies_dead, how is “giving the woman a free servant that she can leave if she wants to” hateful in any way?

    1150.freddies_dead, the “taking of women captives in war” was only allowed when GOD specifically says that they can do that. It is not a part of the daily laws that we are meant to follow.

    1150.freddies_dead, although Hell may be separate from GOD, we are not. GOD is not separated from us and can still here and see un in hell.

    Furthermore, the bible talks about many ways that we can be saved, and those ways do not exclude hell. A person can exit hell and enter heaven if they except GOD and his teachings.

  171. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:43 am 171.The messenger said …

    1151.freddies_dead, yes the oldest scrolls are but copies of the originals, but if they are in the same language as the original that means that they say the same things as the originals.

  172. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:46 am 172.The messenger said …

    1150.freddies_dead, the bible tells us to oppose certain ideas and actions, but I challenge you to find a single verse that states it is ok to hate a another person.

    We can oppose certain ideas and actions, but we must always show love to the sinner and try to help them stop the evil acts that they are committing.

  173. on 24 Apr 2014 at 1:48 am 173.alex said …

    “Her rights are not being violated. She is the one that has power over the person that raped her. She gets to have him as a servant, that is good payback.
    1. She gets a free servant.
    2. She can leave him if she wants to.
    How is that bad?”

    get the fuck outta here. you are a despicable, caveman, dumbass, motherfucker. did i say dumbass motherfucker?

  174. on 24 Apr 2014 at 7:28 am 174.Severin said …

    #1163
    “1146.Severin, correct you did not ask to be enlightened. But I am going to because you need it.”

    Ha ha ha! Christian “mercy”! Forcing your shit through the throat of people who does not need it and never asked for it. How recognizable!
    How miserable!

    Wopuld you like me to help you to convert to Islam? I think you need it necessarily.I’m gonna help you, because Islam is the only right religion in this world.
    Would you like it?
    #1164
    “Interesting, but how do you explain all of the pagan human sacrifices that occurred? They would kidnap people and torcher and kill them in honor of their false GODs.”
    I explain it by the same “logic” that lead Christians to kidnap people, torture them and kill them in honor of their god: INSANITY!

    ” The GOD of Judaism and Christianity teaches that people should not commit murder.”
    Yet, Christians murdered thousands (millions: Crusade wars! Conquering Americas!) of people in name and honor of their god. As I said: INSANITY

    “Furthermore, soviet Russia abandoned Judaism and Christianity( Jewish and Christian morals ) and as a result millions of innocent people died.”
    USA never abandoned Christianity, which resulted in slavery. Millions were slaved, exposed to hard work without payment, without any human treatment, tortured, and many of them brutally killed.
    INSANITY!

  175. on 24 Apr 2014 at 7:36 am 175.Severin said …

    #1165
    “1148.Severin, just read the new testament and you will learn about the morals.”

    I did, many times, and I never found anything I could agree with.

    Why you guys always avoid specifying the parts that you find “moral sources” or “moral absolutes”.

    Why don’t you TELL us, specifically, what are the parts that induce morality in you?

    FROM WHICH VERSES/PARTS can I learn about morality?
    Please specify!

  176. on 24 Apr 2014 at 7:49 am 176.Severin said …

    #1158

    You poor, miserable, angry, creature full of rage and hate!

    I feel really sorry for you.

    Instead of spreading your lies, rage, and hate, why don’t you simply tell us:

    WHICH VERSES FROM THE BIBLE REPRESENT MORAL ABSOLUTES THAT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AND FOLLOWED?

    WHICH ONES DID YOU ACCEPT AND FOLLOW TO BECOME MORAL?

  177. on 24 Apr 2014 at 8:12 am 177.Severin said …

    Christians (and members of other religions) claim that their “holly books” contain “moral absolutes” that should be accepted and followed as guidance in people’s lives.

    Nice! Perfect!

    I’ve read the Bible, and haven’t found anything moral in there.
    I’ve read it again, and again nothing!

    I thought I missed something, and I kindly asked many Christians to SPECIFY the verses/part of the Bible that THEY think are the “moral absolutes”.
    But, whenever you ask them to SPECIFY parts of their “moral” books one should necessarily accept and follow, or which THEY accept and follow, next happens:
    – Some of them, like parrots, recommend us to “read the Bible” or “read the New testament”, without any specifying
    – Other become angry

    Why is that so?

    Probably because there is NOTHING MORAL in their “holly books”, but THEY CAN’T ACCEPT IT.
    They prefer lying instead of simply showing us what parts of Bible they accept and follow.

    I challenge them again, and I will persist in challenging them:

    Tell us, specifically, WHAT BLOODY VERSES/PARTS FROM YOUR HOLLY BOOKS REPRESENT MORAL ABSOLUTES I SHOULD ACCEPT AND FOLLOW!
    Tell us WHAT PARTS OF YOUR HOLLY BOOKS DID YOU ACCEPT AND FOLLOW TO BECOME MORAL!

    Answer will NEVER come!

    Which makes them miserable liars.

  178. on 24 Apr 2014 at 11:55 am 178.freddies_dead said …

    1154. A the lying prick posting as The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “People and things – like crimes – don’t last for ever.”

    Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Once a crime is committed that event in time never changes and does remain idefinitrly ( that means always).

    Hahahahahahaha your attempt to equivocate a finite moment in time with something that continues happening for an eternity is hilarious. You really are weapons grade stupid.

    You are so silly Freddie mouse with your silly reasoning.

    I’m unsurprised that an idiot such as yourself finds rational reasoning to be “silly”.

    For you to tell a deity what the deity should do as punishment is silly as well.

    I’d ask you to point out where I have done any such thing but we both know that you can’t. Instead I’ve pointed out that infinite punishment for a finite crime contradicts the claim that God is just. I’m just glad it’s not my problem.

    Thanks for a good laugh today.

    lol!!!

    Another claim to absolutes. Share them and the source please. Can you guys get on the same page?

    lol!!!!!!

    I made no such claim. Instead I asked you to present your argument that demonstrated that atheists have no recourse to moral absolutes. I predicted at the time that you would fail to do so and once again I was proved dead right.

  179. on 24 Apr 2014 at 11:57 am 179.freddies_dead said …

    1173.The messenger said …

    1150.freddies_dead, how is “giving the woman a free servant that she can leave if she wants to” hateful in any way?

    How the fuck is forcing a woman to marry the man who raped her in any way similar to “giving the woman a free servant that she can leave if she wants to”? This is just mind boggling ridiculousness on your part.

    1150.freddies_dead, the “taking of women captives in war” was only allowed when GOD specifically says that they can do that. It is not a part of the daily laws that we are meant to follow.

    Thank you for showing how the Bible presents a relativistic view of morality.

    1150.freddies_dead, although Hell may be separate from GOD, we are not. GOD is not separated from us and can still here and see un in hell.

    So He can gloat over your eternal torture … nice.

    Furthermore, the bible talks about many ways that we can be saved, and those ways do not exclude hell. A person can exit hell and enter heaven if they except GOD.

    More rubbish. Hebrews 9:27 “It is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgment”. Matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Revelation 14:11 “And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night”. There is no second chance. You die, you get judged, you get sent to either Heaven or Hell and you stay there for all eternity. I get that you don’t like that so you’ve cherry picked your way around it, like many other people who want to call themselves Christians but don’t actually want to admit what their Bible teaches.

  180. on 24 Apr 2014 at 11:57 am 180.freddies_dead said …

    1175.The messenger said …

    1151.freddies_dead, yes the oldest scrolls are but copies of the originals, but if they are in the same language as the original that means that they say the same things as the originals.

    This is just brilliant. You know the originals no longer exist but you’re absolutely certain that the more recent documents must be exactly the same because … erm … well, just because OK!

    Oh well, in that case, I’m convinced. /sarcasm

  181. on 24 Apr 2014 at 11:58 am 181.freddies_dead said …

    1176.The messenger said …

    1150.freddies_dead, the bible tells us to oppose certain ideas and actions, but I challenge you to find a single verse that states it is ok to hate a another person.

    We can oppose certain ideas and actions, but we must always show love to the sinner and try to help them stop the evil acts that they are committing.

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29. That preaches that it’s OK to rape women. That’s hatred in my book but I’m sure your Christian moral relativism means you’ll excuse it somehow.

  182. on 24 Apr 2014 at 12:12 pm 182.alex said …

    where’s the damn xtian morality test?

    isn’t that the true metric on how the xtian morals are superior? no? case closed on the bullshit morals.

  183. on 24 Apr 2014 at 3:48 pm 183.freddies_dead said …

    Let’s face it alex, the Christian view of morality focuses on arbitrary demands placed on man’s shoulders by an alleged supernatural being which we can only imagine.

    “Good” is whatever the Christian god does or commands – whether that be sacrificing its own child, killing everyone and everything in a worldwide flood, ordering the massacre of a tribe or striking your loved ones with cancer. Likewise, “evil” is that which goes against the Christian god’s will – which is odd as this can only mean that, according to Christianity, there could be no evil since God already controls everything that comes to pass and, since God only acts according to His wholly good character, whatever is in its control must be whatever it wills.

    I’m so glad these aren’t my problems.

  184. on 24 Apr 2014 at 5:16 pm 184.alex said …

    “..the Christian view of morality focuses on arbitrary demands..”

    maybe arbitrary, but still subjective nonetheless. that’s why i want to see and take the bullshit morality test.

    let’s see how immoral i truly am.

  185. on 24 Apr 2014 at 10:35 pm 185.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “infinite punishment for a finite crime contradicts the claim that God is just”

    This is so wonderful!!!!

    OK, prove crimes are only finite. When is the crime no longer a crime and provide your source for this determination.

    Second, prove that God is unjust in His punishment. What is this moral claim based on?

    Prediction$: Freddie Mouse runs or attempts to come in as his other ego. Source? History….

    Lets watch………

  186. on 25 Apr 2014 at 12:10 am 186.The messenger said …

    1183.alex, sev, fred, you all are oblivious to the truth. And you act like little children when I disprove what you say.

    You all are pathetic.

  187. on 25 Apr 2014 at 12:21 am 187.The messenger said …

    1183.alex, are you saying that you disagree with loving others, not stealing, not murdering, having humility, giving to charity, treating others they way you want to be treated, and that all people are equal?

    You stated in comment 1117 that those were morals that you live by.

    You obviously lied about reading the new testament, because if you did you would have found those morals in Matthew 7:12, Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, and Romans 13:9.

    And in Exodus 20:1-17, Leviticus 19:11, Deuteronomy 5:19, of the old testament.

  188. on 25 Apr 2014 at 12:25 am 188.The messenger said …

    1185.Severin, are you saying that you disagree with loving others, not stealing, not murdering, having humility, giving to charity, treating others they way you want to be treated, and that all people are equal?

    You stated in comment 1117 that those were morals that you live by.

    You obviously lied about reading the new testament, because if you did you would have found those morals in Matthew 7:12, Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, and Romans 13:9.

    And in Exodus 20:1-17, Leviticus 19:11, Deuteronomy 5:19, of the old testament.
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  189. on 25 Apr 2014 at 1:41 am 189.alex said …

    “prove crimes are only finite. When is the crime no longer a crime”

    hor, motherfucker back with his stoopid ass challenge. remember the old “prove that an omniscient god can’t allow free will”? how about?

    prove that a round cube can’t exist.
    prove that a tall midget can’t exist.
    prove that a delusional xtian can’t be logical.

    what a moron. and the book of hor grows http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

  190. on 25 Apr 2014 at 1:50 am 190.alex said …

    “alex, sev, fred, you all are oblivious to the truth.”

    if you are the truth bearer, why don’t your homies agree with this here, your truth?

    “Her rights are not being violated. She is the one that has power over the person that raped her. She gets to have him as a servant, that is good payback.

    1. She gets a free servant.
    2. She can leave him if she wants to.

    How is that bad?”

    because it’s all part of the bullshit package you repeatedly attempt to peddle here.

    you dumbass, motherfucker. before you start proclaiming the truth, stop and take a look the shit dripping out of your mouth, you asshole.

    call me whatever the fuck you want, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a dumb motherfucker. evidentiary here: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

  191. on 25 Apr 2014 at 1:58 am 191.The messenger said …

    1200.alex, you are insane.

    please seek help at a mental ward.

  192. on 25 Apr 2014 at 2:08 am 192.alex said …

    “please seek help at a mental ward.”

    flashback motherfucker. before dispensing mental advise, recall your statement: “I have also seen heaven my self and it is amazing.”

    that’s why your dumbass book at: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO
    is so useful. your idiotic comments are all condensed in that stinky, toxic, septic package.

    all the fucked up posts you were counting to decay and be buried in the wwgha archives keep coming back up in your face. cubits, motherfucker, cubits.

  193. on 25 Apr 2014 at 5:53 am 193.Severin said …

    #1188
    “1185.Severin, are you saying that you disagree with loving others, not stealing, not murdering, having humility, giving to charity, treating others they way you want to be treated, and that all people are equal?”

    That is a lie, I never ever said anything like that.

    Of course I agree with most (not all!) of those postulates, but what is it that makes them so special?
    Every North American Indian, every Aborigine and every Bushman, or Eskimo, or Chinese, or ancient Greek,knew it far before they ever met Christianity.
    They did not need Bible to tell them that!

    Those postulates are part of human cultural and mental heritage, and were present in written or verbal laws of many societies which never met Bible.
    They were present in human cultures pretty universally (genes!) thousand of years before Bible ever appeared!

    Bible is only parroting them, but in a very wrong way:
    Namely, how is it with raping?
    It is very intriguing that there is no “absolutes” in Bible that strictly forbid raping!
    How about slavery?
    Where in Bible can I find a verse that forbids holding human beings as slaves?

    My personal morality is far above your bullshit Biblical “absolutes”; namely, unlike in your Bible, I would commit raping under no circumstances in my life.
    And, unlike in your Bible, I would never enslave a human being.

    (Of course, I will always, with great pleasure, “commit adultery”, but ONLY if consent, and ONLY if it would not bring much troubles/problems to partners or their families)

    I don’t see how are covet and lust immoral IF a person is able to control them, i.e. if a person does not use all (illegal and immoral) means to satisfy them.
    Covet (greed) makes world going ahead.
    I am moderately greedy, and I have lust, and I don’t know anyone who is not, but I don’t steal, kill, rape, fraud, to satisfy my greediness and my lust.
    I WORK hardly to earn money to be able to satisfy my needs in moral and legal way.
    If I can’t satisfy all my needs/desires, I just DON’T SATISFY THEM! Period!

    The greatest problem in your parroting Bible “moral postulates” is that you, and Prick, take them as absolutes, inducing big problems for your psyche.

    If the only way to stop someone killing a baby (maybe your daughter) would be that you kill him/her, would you not do that?
    I would!
    The commandment “Thou shall not kill” becomes shit in such situations, and such situations are NOT only theoretical. They happen this or that way all the time.
    In such extreme, but frequently happening situations, it is YOU who have to decide what to do, not the Bible.
    In such situations YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISION, and the big difference between you and me is in that I would not hesitate to make decision, and would not feel immoral for it.

    Ergo, there is no moral absolutes.
    Especially not in the Bible.

    And you are a miserable liar, putting in my mouth words I never said.

    As all miserable religious moral freaks do here.

  194. on 25 Apr 2014 at 6:24 am 194.Severin said …

    There ARE postulates in the Bible that pretend to be absolutes, and are said in the way to be forced onto readers as moral absolutes.

    Problem is that they CAN’T be absolutes.
    Something is absolute if applicable to all situations, and no Bible “moral codes” are applicable in real life “absolutely”, without inducing enormous stresses in the psyche of an individual.
    There are many situations (everyday!) in which an individual has to make decisions that contradict Bible commandments.
    If he acts according to Bible, he might cause pain, damage, death, …, and if he does not, he will suffer because he did not obey Bible.
    In such cases AN INDIVIDUAL has to choose what is moral, and what is not moral, and to act ACCORDING TO HIS (HER) PERSONAL JUDGMENT.
    If the individual mistakes in judgment, there are laws to correct him/her, or to punish him.
    I don’t say that it is easy, but it is so!

    I have no such problems. I DO make my own decisions, according to my personal “moral code”, and never made mistakes so far. Otherwise I would probably be in prison.

  195. on 25 Apr 2014 at 11:20 am 195.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “Every North American Indian, every Aborigine and every Bushman, or Eskimo, or Chinese, or ancient Greek”

    They did? They loved their enemy? Um, don’t think so Chevy Man. And, since God created all things then it is natural that God impressed upon the conscious basic right and wrong. Knowing is not man’s problem. Admitting man is not as good as they think they are is man’s problem as you so wonderfully demonstrated.

    And thanks Chevy Man, you proved man does have fee will as some of your atheist buddies deny.

    I see Freddie mouse ran as I predicted. Can’t teach a mouse new tricks.

    :)

  196. on 25 Apr 2014 at 12:02 pm 196.alex said …

    “They loved their enemy?”

    is this the entire morality code? where’s the rest?

    dumbass.

    “I see Freddie mouse ran as I predicted.”

    you predicted or your omnisciency knew you were going to spout more bullshit? which one is it?

    if your bullshit god knew what freddie was going to do, how is supposed to do something different?

    dumbass.

  197. on 25 Apr 2014 at 12:55 pm 197.Severin said …

    #1196
    Thank you, I forgot that!

    ““They loved their enemy?””
    “is this the entire morality code? where’s the rest?”

    No!

    There is some more, for example:
    “Turn another cheek” and “Love your neighbor like yourself”

    I sincerely think that only very (VERY)! twisted minds can follow such idiocies as their “moral absolutes”.

    Moral freaks, as I said!

  198. on 25 Apr 2014 at 12:58 pm 198.Severin said …

    #1195
    ” And, since God created all things…”

    Did he?

    How do you know that?

    Can you somehow prove it?

  199. on 25 Apr 2014 at 1:18 pm 199.Severin said …

    #1195
    “And thanks Chevy Man, you proved man does have fee will as some of your atheist buddies deny.”

    Not that I speak for anyone, but WHEN did a single atheist denied man’s free will?

    You confused something, obviously.
    You got so crazy in your irrational hate,that you don’t know what you talk.

    Or, as usual in your insane, twisted correspondence, you deliberately LIE (in this case that, sometimes, atheists denied man’s free will).

    Poor guy!
    How do you endure yourself?

  200. on 25 Apr 2014 at 1:52 pm 200.Severin said …

    Reminder:

    Atheists deny god’s plan.
    If god has plans, man’s free will is excluded by definition.

    As we don’ believe in god’s plans, we never exclude man’s free will.
    I have my free will, and I use it.

    By recognizing god’s plans, you theists in fact deny man’s free will.
    As denying of free will automatically makes men irresponsible for their deeds, and you don’t like it, you comfortably put things that logically exclude each other in the same sack, and claim that both exist.
    So typical for your entire “logic”!

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