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Christianity Thomas on 10 Sep 2009 01:04 am

How can devoutly Christian, family-value Republicans be so scummy?

There is something extremely strange going on with Christian republicans right now:

OC Assemblyman In Bed With Lobbyist . . . No, Literally In Bed

This is how he was perceived yesterday:

Earlier this year, the man [Duvall] who never graduated from high school received “100 percent” approval scores ?by the California Republican Assembly, the state’s leading conservative outfit, and the Capitol Resource Institute (CRI), a fierce guardian of traditional family values.?

“Assemblyman Duvall has been a consistent trooper for the conservative causes,” CRI president Karen England announced in March. “For the last two years, he has voted time and time again to protect and preserve family values in California. We are grateful for his support of California? families.'”

And Today:

“She wears little eye-patch underwear,” said Duvall [speaking unknowingly near a hot microphone], who is married with two children. “So, the other day she came here with her underwear, Thursday. And? so, we had made love Wednesday–a lot! And so she’ll, she’s all, ‘I am going ?up and down the stairs, and you’re dripping out of me!’ So messy!”

That line may quickly become part of colorful Sacramento political lore. In the meantime, it leads me to a question: Can someone please buy the assemblyman a box of condoms??

Duvall–who was twice a president of the Yorba Linda Chamber of Commerce, served two terms as mayor of Yorba Linda before entering the assembly in? 2006, and is the owner of an insurance agency–continues his tale: “So, I am getting into spanking her. Yeah, I like it. I like spanking her. She goes, ‘I know you like spanking me.’ I said, ‘Yeah! Because you’re such a bad girl!'”

He resigned the same day: Duvall Resigns After Sex Bragging

Sanford, Ensign, Coburn, Christie, McDonnell, Pickering… What is going on?

22 Responses to “How can devoutly Christian, family-value Republicans be so scummy?”

  1. on 10 Sep 2009 at 3:57 am 1.Delphine said …

    “Sanford, Ensign, Coburn, Christie, McDonnell, Pickering… What is going on? ”

    Easy. Gay marriage ruined the foundation of marriage and traditional Christian family values. Duh. Haven’t Sanford, Ensign, Coburn, Christie, McDonnel, Pickering, Duvall been warning us all along? They told us, but we didn’t listen.

    Now the devil is taking us all!

  2. on 10 Sep 2009 at 11:49 am 2.Ned said …

    GOP – Group of Perverts

  3. on 10 Sep 2009 at 3:29 pm 3.Rodney said …

    I know. He wasn’t a “true” Christian. LOL… or was he?

  4. on 10 Sep 2009 at 4:55 pm 4.Datan0de said …

    Ned, please don’t lump perverts in with these hypocrites. I happily admit to being a fairly pervy guy, but the important factor is not what or who I do in the bedroom (or wherever), but that the values which I espouse are consistent with my actions. They are. In Duvall’s case they clearly are not, and on top of that his escapades demonstrate an abuse of his position and hint at his loyalty to is constituents being compromised.

    Plus, he’s a dumbass for not being mindful of a microphone. *headdesk*

  5. on 10 Sep 2009 at 5:07 pm 5.Bishop said …

    Sigh, if if was only the Republicans. I suppose the DNC never claims any kind of values so they never have to be called hypocrites? Well, they just lie about everything else.

    Rangel? Bedroyovich? Barney? Dodd? Bill? Obams Cabinet? Cold cash William Jefferson? And let is not forget former DNC candidate Pretty Boy John Edwards!

    DNC – What a cast

  6. on 11 Sep 2009 at 12:56 pm 6.Lou said …

    Ah, ER hmmm whre does he claim to be a Christian? Maybe I missed it?

    Conservative = Christian?

    No No No, that is a false equation. He is just another example of a sleazy politician attemeting to put American against American. When the blind masses who support Ds and Rs realize the people are not the enmemy maybe then we can clean up politics. These two parties play you partisans like Sanborn plays his Sax.

    Blind sheep, wake up!

  7. on 11 Sep 2009 at 1:34 pm 7.Anony said …

    You just gotta have faith that he’s a Christian, Lou. That’s how faith works right? Blindly believing whatever someone tells you?

    If you decide you don’t have enough faith, LOOK IT UP.

  8. on 11 Sep 2009 at 5:41 pm 8.Lou said …

    You are right Anony. I believe you are a Monnie. I have the faith! Wingo! it doesn’t require any religion at all.

    The sheep will believe whatever their party tells them. That is much more dangerous than Christianity.

    Christian – To be like Christ. No, this guy didn’t fulfill the basic premise. Think for yourself anony.

  9. on 11 Sep 2009 at 11:03 pm 9.Anony said …

    If he calls himself a christian, he’s a christian. Belief is more important than works, afterall.

  10. on 12 Sep 2009 at 4:34 am 10.Denis Loubet said …

    Indeed. Lou seems willing to grant atheists the authority to decide who’s a true Christian and who’s not.

    I don’t think he really wants to do that…

  11. on 12 Sep 2009 at 11:01 am 11.Lou said …

    Intersting, so if he calls himself your daddy you would believe him? OK, its your right to decide to be gullible. Belief and mouthing words are worlds apart my little lamb.

    That is why we have the government we have. People actually believe the parties who put us in this mess really want to get us out.

  12. on 12 Sep 2009 at 2:55 pm 12.Denis Loubet said …

    There are objective tests to determine if someone is my “daddy”. Give me an objective test to determine who’s a True Christian and who’s not.

    There are objective tests one can administer, but I don’t think you’ll like them.

    I think first on the list of objective criteria would be to make certain the person has sold all his possessions and given the proceeds to the poor. That should screen out a whole lot of false Christians right off the bat.

    Is that the kind of criteria you had in mind?

  13. on 12 Sep 2009 at 9:50 pm 13.Lou said …

    A great move if you feel God has commanded you to do so. I find such an act to be admirable and something we need more of in this nation. It certainly would be one of many outward signs.

    Some criteria? How about love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control otherwise known as fruits of the spirit? I like this example much better since this is a sign for all christians.

    Just a thought, but do you think it just might be possible for politicians to claim to be christians just to get elected? I know it sounds crazy but I throw it out there for discussion.

  14. on 12 Sep 2009 at 10:04 pm 14.Denis Loubet said …

    “A great move if you feel God has commanded you to do so.” Feel? That’s not objective. That’s subjective.

    So since you want people to decide who’s a Christian based on utterly subjective opinion, why are you complaining that we’re granting Christianhood on whoever we feel like?

    Give me an objective test to determine who’s a Christian, and who’s not. Then give me an objective reason to believe that you’re correct and another person who claims to be a Christian, but doesn’t agree with you, isn’t correct.

    And how do you know that Christians act with the qualities you cite? You’re already suggesting that politicians lie about their faith to get what they want, and that many people who call themselves Christians are not Christians. How then do you know how Christians act and feel if any one you point to could be lying?

  15. on 13 Sep 2009 at 1:34 am 15.Lou said …

    Well Dennis, that was not my subjective opinion, that was a list of the “fruits of the Spirit” as oulined in the book of Galations. When determining if someone is the genuine article, I go to the source of what it looks like. You quoted scripture so I though you would recohnize it.

    You can make any judgement you like. I mean seriously, your opinion is your own. If you believe everything that you hear that is on you. The scripture, which you like to quote, states to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Not bad advice, huh?

  16. on 13 Sep 2009 at 3:34 am 16.Denis Loubet said …

    “Well Dennis, that was not my subjective opinion, that was a list of the “fruits of the Spirit” as oulined in the book of Galations.”

    And my comment about selling all your stuff and giving it to the poor was the path to your supposed Kingdom of Heaven as outlined by your supposed savior Jesus. I had assumed you’d read it.

    Obviously not, since I didn’t actually quote scripture. Paraphrased it, perhaps, but didn’t quote it.

    So, have you sold all your stuff, or are you not a Christian? After all, you seem to think the statements in the bible are not subjective. So by your logic, since you are in direct contradiction to the words of the Jesus character, you must objectively not be a Christian. It’s there in black and white in your own rule book.

    Your problem with politicians is that even though the politician behaves kindly, and joyfully, etc, the behavior is an act, and he doesn’t actually feel kindness and joy.

    So now the question is how do you know if someone is a Christian if they could just be acting?

    How would I know if you are a Christian? By your deliberate obtuseness and hyperbole?

    If someone says that they’re a Christian, I’m in no position to contradict them. Christians make the rules as to what qualifies one as a Christian, not me. It’s not my job to play HR department for your religion. If you don’t like someone calling themselves a Christian, fire them.

  17. on 13 Sep 2009 at 1:09 pm 17.Lou said …

    I have an opinion, get it? opinion. My opinion is based on the actions of one who would call themselves a Christian. If you don’t agree, go ahead and believe Denis. Gullibility is not a rarity in America, it tends to be quite rampant.

    Now, as for “selling all you have to be Christian”, please, do a little reading and stop parroting what you hear others atheist claim. I mean really, the silliness of the argument has been refuted countless times. Jesus made this command directly to the rich ruler who was bragging about all the laws he kept. Jesus also commanded a little boy to give him to two fishes and five loves…I’m surprised you haven’t resorted to that be a requirement.

    Fire them? lol, what is that suppose to mean. Ok, he is fired!

  18. on 13 Sep 2009 at 4:20 pm 18.Denis Loubet said …

    “Well Dennis, that was not my subjective opinion, that was a list of the “fruits of the Spirit” as oulined in the book of Galations.”

    “I have an opinion, get it? opinion.”

    I’m hiving a difficult time resolving these two blatantly contradictory statements. Is it your subjective opinion or not. Make up your mind.

    I suppose you mean that the list of criteria objectively exists, but you apply it subjectively to individuals to determine if they’re Christian or not. Is that pretty much the case? I’m going to assume it is.

    Since one is going to share the exact same subjective opinion as you as to who follows those criteria, or if those criteria are even valid, you have thus failed to provide a method to determine who’s a Christian and who’s not.

    So stop complaining about people having different opinions as to who’s a Christian and who’s not.

    So, is it your opinion that the god character has different rules for rich people than poor people? That’s interesting.

  19. on 13 Sep 2009 at 4:45 pm 19.Lou said …

    LOL, um, Denis, really?

    I have an opionion that this guys is a politician who used Christianity for his own means. Simple enought right? Now follow me here.

    The list I provided is not opinion, they are Biblical evidences. Now I don’t know our dear politician, but I do know getting laid and bragging about it contradicts that test (Goodness , Love, Faithfulness, self-control) along with other Biblical evidences. Sort of like John Edwards, huh?

    Third step here, now follow with me. Based on what I have seen, he fails that test AND I conclude in my opinion, he is not truly a Christian. Could I be wrong? Sure enough God’s test is all that matters.

    See, it really is quite easy. I admit, I have much less evidence to back if he is your daddy or not.

    Good luck with your quest on this guys Christianity. I wish you well but remember to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves Denis.

  20. on 14 Sep 2009 at 1:55 am 20.Denis Loubet said …

    So, follow me here, in your opinion is a Christian someone who ignores the clear words of the Jesus character because they’re inconvenient, passes judgment on people they’ve never met, and insults the memory of a dead parent to make cheap points in an argument?

    Just curious, because I’ve seen Christians do that before, and was wondering if it was commanded in the bible.

  21. on 14 Sep 2009 at 6:59 pm 21.Lou said …

    Wow, Denis your act is sooo tired.

    Nobody has made fun of a dead parent. I have one myself. So are you attempting to argue I knew your daddy was dead and was making light? How you can twist that into a personal attack is very partisan politician of you. Lame Denis, very lame.

    We are done here.

  22. on 14 Sep 2009 at 7:30 pm 22.Denis Loubet said …

    “So are you attempting to argue I knew your daddy was dead and was making light?”

    No, I’m saying you didn’t care, and yet Christians are supposed to be all those cuddley things you insist they are.

    Well, with you as an example, I guess the question WWJD is answered. He would insult his opponent and run away.

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