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Christianity Thomas on 19 Aug 2009 12:10 am

We are losing

We are losing. Two Examples:

Texas public schools required to teach Bible this year

The school year is almost here, and if literature of the Bible is not already offered in your child’s school, it will be this fall. Books are a common sight in classrooms around the nation, but the Bible is one book that is not. Come this fall, a Texas law says all public schools must offer information relating to the Bible in their curriculum.

87%-32% – Evolutionary Theory

Few in the scientific community would debate Darwinian theory, but evolution is far from universally accepted among the public at large. While 87% of scientists say humans and other living things have evolved as the result of processes such as natural selection, only a third of the public agrees. Another 22% of the public say humans have evolved, but “a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today.”

10 Responses to “We are losing”

  1. on 21 Aug 2009 at 1:42 pm 1.Lou said …

    You are losing because you have nothing to offer. You must have a thought/product that appeals to others. Atheism offers a life of meaningless and an eternity of non-existence. Not a very appealing prospect. More scientist believe in a supreme being than surveys indicate. There livelihood dictates keeping it under-the-table.

    If a chritian is wrong about Jesus Christ and eternity, they get what the atheist already gets by default. So what is the allure? Self importance? A self-elitist attitude? Maybe a belief in a higher form of logic? No, history would indicate otherwise.

  2. on 24 Aug 2009 at 5:19 pm 2.Irritated Complainant said …

    So because we view reality as it really is, we’re losing?

    Dammit guys! We need to create our own atheistic heaven! Then the logical people will come and join us!!!!

  3. on 24 Aug 2009 at 5:21 pm 3.Cate said …

    No, what you get is a life free of self-delusion, freedom from fear of imagined supernatural retribution for so-called “sins” and a life lived with eyes open, knowing this is the only life you will live and for that alone, should be lived well, respecting others so that our “one shot” has some meaning…not as a waiting room for some eternal other destination.

    My life is full of meaning because I don’t view it as some piss-poor dress rehearsal for some imagined “beyond.” What I do now in this life matters so significantly because it is the only existence I (and everyone else) have to make a positive impact on this world.

  4. on 24 Aug 2009 at 5:27 pm 4.Gordon said …

    ah Lou, Pascal’s Wager is about as likely to win us over as a bible quote. If a Christian is wrong it could be Allah who informs them of the fact, before torturing them for eternity! Who says we’re wrong about *your* god? There are so many others we could both be wrong about.

    But that aside, there doesnt need to be an allure for the truth, only a sideshow like religion needs to draw them in. We just need people to think.

    There is as much evidence for god as there is for leprechauns. I read about both in an old book… and then there’s all the other gods people have believed in. Those are in books too.

    The fact that religion seems to make people shockingly ignorant of science should be a serious concern for its advocates (like you) rather than a smug talking point you can launch Pascal’s easily discredited “argument” from.

  5. on 24 Aug 2009 at 5:29 pm 5.Rox1SMF said …

    We’re “losing” because stupidity & cognitive dissonance aren’t fatal, and sadly high intelligence appears to be inversely proportonal to high fertility.

    The delusional are outbreeding us.

  6. on 24 Aug 2009 at 5:29 pm 6.Nuno said …

    In the country I live fortunately creationism is not strong enough, and although that “theory” is present in our Biology schoolbooks, it’s just mentioned because it is another theory. We’re only taught Darwinism.

    Greeting from Portugal.

  7. on 24 Aug 2009 at 5:32 pm 7.David said …

    I disagree, Lou, that this life isn’t intrinsically meaningful. It isn’t a testing ground for our souls, punishment for the sin of being human, a stage 14 billion years in the making. That sounds like purgatory to me.

    We make our lives about personal responsibility because we make choices freely, without inducements or blackmail.

  8. on 24 Aug 2009 at 6:18 pm 8.Rob said …

    I’m not sure I agree that we’re losing, but we have a long way to go. Change is a gradual process, and it’d be interesting to see someone plot a belief vs. non-belief bar graph over a period of years. I’m optimistic that such a graph would show an overall trend favoring the non-believers, with the amount of non-believers on the increase, but still lower than the population of believers.

    There will always be setbacks, but I think on the whole, we are becoming less religious as a population.

    As a Texan, I am concerned about this new law, and not sure what it will mean for my son when he reaches school-age. That’s a few years away, so I can only hope for the best.

    With regard to a meaningful life, I see meaning and purpose every day in my interactions with the world. It’d be a shame to miss out on the day-to-day experience in hopes of something greater.

  9. on 24 Aug 2009 at 6:30 pm 9.Lou said …

    “Pascal’s Wager is about as likely to win us over as a bible quote”

    Actually pascal’s wager from a christian viewpoint makes perfect sense. If the Christian is wrong, they lose nothing the atheist will not lose. Pascal was a christian and therefore he developed the wager from the christian perspective. What makes you think I was attempting to win you over? I thought the atheist was attempting to win me over.

    I have yet to see the allure here? Cate my life is quite worthwhile and very much full of meaning beyond what I would have ever imagined. Next?

    And please share how belief in God somehow ignores science? Pascal among many others would enjoy the education.

  10. on 24 Aug 2009 at 6:33 pm 10.Tyler said …

    Lou, your first statement is half correct. However, it is not that atheism has nothing to offer, but that atheism offers nothing. We make no empty, unfounded promises of “eternal life”. Because of this, we find meaning in life through living in the here and now using morality codes written by human decency and common sense.

    Many scientists do believe in a supreme being, and that’s just fine by me. Their (not “there”) fields of science may not concern the origin of life or the existence of supreme beings, anyway, so their belief in said supreme beings should not influence their work very much, if at all.

    As for “keeping it under the table,” this is no different than atheists in religious communities who have to keep their beliefs hidden out of fear of persecution. If believers are hiding their beliefs in the scientific community, that is truly sad because scientists shouldn’t give a rat’s ass about anyone’s personal faith.

    Also, what is the difference between an atheist’s “self elitist attitude” and a “chritian” acting smugly because he believes he’ll go to heaven, no matter what sins he commits, because of his belief in Jesus?

    Finally, what the heck does “history would indicate otherwise” mean? That logic fails in the face of blind faith? That self importance is a bad thing that only atheists can experience? Help me out here, because I can’t understand that argument.

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