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Christianity Thomas on 17 Jul 2009 01:41 am

Never forget the stupidity of the Bible

A brilliant letter addressed to Dr. Laura Schlessinger:

Letter to Dr. Laura

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

Always remember:

The key to this essay is its premise, not the pedantic details of it of how it is defended. Simply put, the letter points out a logical flaw in the “homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says so” argument: if homosexuality is wrong because it goes against God’s law as outlined in the Bible, why aren’t any number of activities now viewed as innocuous but once regarded as unacceptable also offenses against God’s law? How can one part of Leviticus be deemed as etched in stone when other parts have been discarded as archaic?

The amazing thing is that, even after seeing the obvious stupidity of the Bible, Christians will still publish videos like this:

27 Responses to “Never forget the stupidity of the Bible”

  1. on 17 Jul 2009 at 2:10 pm 1.Dennis N said …

    It says read it slowly, prayerfully, and frequently, but it forgot to say critically.

  2. on 17 Jul 2009 at 2:28 pm 2.Lou said …

    One thing that always strikes me as ridiculous. We have scientist dedicated to the SETI project or the search for ETs. That is called science not religion although there is absolutely no proof. Could it be they are searching for God? We believe the possibility exits or science wouldn’t be spending millions for the pursuit.

    But the same ones who place all their faith in science, the “rational-ones” find the belief in God to be foolish. Maybe the atheist mantra should be ALL Hail King ET!

  3. on 17 Jul 2009 at 2:33 pm 3.Dennis N said …

    SETI does not claim aliens exist, it is simply looking. So I don’t understand your point. There’s no dogma that says you must accept aliens exist to work at SETI. And how does looking for ETs = looking for god?

  4. on 17 Jul 2009 at 3:38 pm 4.Joreth said …

    There’s also the point that SETI analyzes data and makes its conclusions based on evidence, not on some book written by committee a thousand years ago (with conflicting exhortations, as this post was meant to highlight).

    Another point is that money is spent all the time on science in the pursuit of non-existent possibilities (although to be accurate, it’s more about probabilities). In fact, that’s a great deal of what science is. Someone makes a claim and everyone else sets out to prove it wrong. Only when no one can (or when the positive proofs outnumber the negative proofs by a large margin) is that claim accepted by the scientific community as fact. That’s over-simplified, but I don’t think I can give the more accurate-but-complicated explanation and have it be understood by the people who even make this comparison in the first place.

    Another difference between science & religion is that we ask the questions first and determine the answers later, so SETI is not making a statement “there *is* alien life out there so lets go find it”. They are asking “is there alien life out there? Let’s find out yes or no”.

    As Dennis said, SETI has not made any proclamations that 1) aliens exist and 2) should be worshiped. They are simply looking and analyzing data and have so far found nothing to indicate alien intelligent life. Should they find evidence of alien life, there is no reason, assumption, or encouragement that SETI members or the general public “worship” whatever it is they might find.

    Unlike the UFO”ologists” who do the same thing as the religious do – take the word at face value of some schmuck who wrote a book once and do not critically question the “evidence” presented, which is why “ufo-ology” is not a science either while SETI is.

  5. on 17 Jul 2009 at 4:54 pm 5.JimP said …

    Since Jews subscribe to the Old Testament why doesn’t your tag include “Judaism?”

    Doesn’t seem very equitable if you ask me.

    And please don’t protest with “Jews aren’t shoving it down our throats” nonsense. Orthodox Jews believe it and live it every day of their lives.

    At least show them the respect of acknowledging their faith.

  6. on 17 Jul 2009 at 5:09 pm 6.Lou said …

    “SETI does not claim aliens exist, it is simply looking

    If you are looking, then you believe they might exist even though there is not even (1) piece of evidence they do exist. Not one, well unless you believe they helped build the pyramids. SO, it is the equivalent of looking for FSM or even God. As an atheist, that should bother you but I’m sure you will find some illogical way to defend it.

  7. on 17 Jul 2009 at 10:26 pm 7.Severin said …

    “If you are looking, then you believe they might exist even though there is not even (1) piece of evidence they do exist.”

    Yes, there are some 7 billion of evidences that intelligent life is possible on a planet, and probably several trillions (quadrilions?) evidences about appearance of life genarally (ants, lions, grass, viruses, microorgansms….).
    If possible on Earth, why not elsewhere?

    And there is no (1) evidence there is, or there ever was any god in this space.

  8. on 17 Jul 2009 at 11:06 pm 8.Anon said …

    Your right Lou, there is absolutely no evidence that ETs exist. That doesn’t mean that they don’t and the search is meaningless, however. We do not know how rare life is in our galaxy. If it is extremely rare and not in our proximity then we will probably never find it, however to say that it compares to looking for the FSM or god is where you are wrong.

    There isn’t any good evidence to suggest that the FSM or any god for that matter, exists. We do have evidence that life exists though. Life formed on this planet and it may be possible that it formed on another planet in our solar system or in another star system. This is why Nasa is going to Mars to search for microscopic life. If life exists on Mars that is a second source of evidence that life is somewhat common.

    Unfortunately, as I’ve stated, no one knows how rare or common life is. Life may exist in some form or another in the majority of solar systems for all we know. There may be some unknown mechanism by which life is formed that is common throughout the universe. Of course, it may be so rare that it is entirely confined to only our planet. Very likely it is somewhere between these two extremes.

    If life exists somewhere else, then it is possible that intelligent life exists there. SETI uses the limited money and technology they have to try to find any evidence of intelligent life that might exist in other solar systems. It is a shot in the dark. They have no idea if it is in vain or not but that is also where the difference lies. THEY DON’T CLAIM THAT E.T. DEFINITELY EXISTS.

    So, why even pour resources into something that may be completely in vain? Well, I think you know the answer to that. The gains that we would make from contacting another civilization on another planet in another solar system are too great to ignore, not to mention it would be the greatest scientific and philosophical discovery of our lifetimes.

    The search for a god doesn’t need evidence, does it? All you need for a god to “exist” is for a believer to say it does and you can’t prove it wrong! Bullshit. I require evidence for god the same way I require evidence for ETs.

    You may say that we’ve been looking for years now and haven’t found anything, isn’t that evidence that there isn’t anything? Well, this normally comes from the illusion that SETI receives enough funding to conduct its operations.

    If you think that SETI is spending tens of millions or billions of dollars looking for ETs then I feel obliged to tell you that is not true. Due to its huge unpopularity with taxpayers it is not an organization that is operated or funded by the US government. This obviously puts huge spending limitations on them and keeps the program from ever developing enough to make a conclusive attempt at finding life. If you want more information on why this is go here:

    http://openseti.org/OSCost.html

    In conclusion, you may actually want to know more about what your saying before you make offhand remarks or invalid comparisons.

  9. on 17 Jul 2009 at 11:57 pm 9.Lou said …

    Well Anon you provided a nice summary but not anything that would separate looking for God from looking for ET. That is from the agnostic perspective. Might ET exist? Yes Might God exist? yes. The evidence for God’s existence would be that we are here and the universe had a definite beginning. So, there is no difference.

    Why you got into the funding I have no idea. I only dealt with the philosophy. I know quite well of what I speak since I have family involved with the program since the 80s.

  10. on 18 Jul 2009 at 1:35 am 10.Anon said …

    I take it you don’t accept the theory of Evolution or Abiogenesis then. Is that correct?

  11. on 18 Jul 2009 at 5:04 am 11.Tyler said …

    Lou? Didn’t you run off a couple months ago or something after being shown up?

    Anon: Don’t worry, Lou seems to lack basic reading comprehension. That, or he sees only what he wants to see.

  12. on 18 Jul 2009 at 4:54 pm 12.Lou said …

    Anon let us not change the subject. Lets stay on task. You were attempting to show me that searching for ET is more beneficial to man and to science than searching for God.

    Taking this task without atheist or christian presuppositions (no to mention the UFO-religious pursuers) show me how one is science and the other is not? To take away the religious aspect even more, we could call it a search for a supreme deity.

  13. on 18 Jul 2009 at 5:37 pm 13.Try to understand said …

    No one is praying to ET

    No one is expecting miracles to happen today on earth because of ET

    No one is demanding that we put “In ET we trust” on the currency

    No one expects ET to provide “eternal life” in “heaven” or “eternal torture” in “hell”

    No one is blowing up buildings and subway stations in ET’s name

    We have reason to believe that life may exist on other planets because life exists on this planet. To search for other forms of life seems completely normal.

    To telepathically talk to an imaginary “god” every night before going to bed does not.

  14. on 18 Jul 2009 at 6:13 pm 14.Severin said …

    “…show me how one is science and the other is not?”

    Science is based on presumptions, based at least on logic, but almost always on ability of a brilliant mind to connect FACTS, which, on the first sight, do not seem to be connected, to a THEORY.

    Yes, many theories failed, but many were upgraded and proven by pure science methods, including observing, logic, mathematics and experiments.

    Of course, the most improtant condition for theories to be proven or to fail, is to keep them open to questioning.

    No scientific theories were subjects of pure believing or not believing.
    ALL of them passed (and are passing) through severe questionings, and were accepted (but ALLWAYS with reserve!) only after questioning and requestioning from all possible directions.

    On the other side, religions (all of them) are based on
    believing. Religion DO NOT PERMIT any questioning. You have to believe, not to doubt, not to question, just believe!

    How humilliating for an intelligent being!

    What a presumption that there MIGHT be life (even intelligent ET-s) in the Universe, has to do with religion, when we already HAVE life on a planet, and all the logic in the universe, supported at least by logic of big numbers, and evidences that there ARE other planets orbiting other suns, support such a conclusion. Many scientific facts dealing with biology, astronomy, etc., additionally support such conclusions.

    Nobody said there ARE ET-s! But every available logic and indirect evidences support conclusions in direction of such possibility, which has nothing to do with believing.

    Might god exsist?

    If the existance of life on a planet at least supports the idea of its existance on other planets, perhaps the proven existance of god on another planet will prove its egsistance on ours.

    Unpatiently waitng astronomists to report!

  15. on 19 Jul 2009 at 9:50 am 15.Xenon said …

    Trying to,

    You need to get out more. There are religious groups, much in the new age movement, that follow the gospel according to ET. Things like origins, evolution and one day they are coming to save us from ourselves. I don’t know if they are an officially recognized religion like atheism, but their message is strangely familiar.

  16. on 19 Jul 2009 at 3:29 pm 16.Tyler said …

    It’s nice how you lump fringe lunatics with the mainstream there, xenon. Continue.

  17. on 19 Jul 2009 at 7:29 pm 17.Lou said …

    Severin,

    If our very existence is enough proof to look for aliens or ET then would 3 dimensions be enough reason to look for the 4th, 5th, 6th and even 7th? And is it not a possibility some Supreme being or Supreme race may exist in such a realm or even in the universe?
    It just could be the answer to another area of science wrapped in great faith, the study of the paranormal.

    Please note that supreme being is not referring to any man devised religion.

  18. on 19 Jul 2009 at 11:06 pm 18.a said …

    Supreme being? Lay off the jesus juice.

  19. on 20 Jul 2009 at 5:00 am 19.Severin said …

    Lou,

    Our very existance is undoubtely a proof that life is possible on A planet, no more, no less. Combined with other facts: many trillions of existing planets along this Universe, for which simple statistic says some of them could support life, high level of our knowledge of chemistry, high level of our knowledge about how planets were started to exist, etc., this fact (existance of 1 proven life supporting planet) is not enough to PROVE anything, but it is enough to support the idea, and to encourage the efforts to search further.

    What FACTS support your ideas? Imagination?

    Imagination is a great thing, no progress without it, but to develop it to a theory, some logic and some facts are necessary to support it.

    Where to start with the idea about “supreme beings” in 4th, 5th (etc.) dimensions? Just to BELIEVE it? Just to hope it might be true? Supported by nothing but pure imagination and wishes?

    So I can imagine WE are the supreme beings, predicted to rule the Universe, why not, but we are entering the area of SF here, which I like very much, but what logic, and what preliminary facts give me reasons to REALLY think so?

    It is nice to dream, but when discussing theories, LOGIC and FACTS, please!

    Sorry, but “the study of the paranormal” has nothing to do with “another area of science”. “Paranormalists” are as far from science as the proponents of religions, and religious people are.

    I am 67, how old are you?
    (Sorry for my English, it is not my native language, and I am self-taught regarding my English, and I do hope I am not doing too many errors)

  20. on 20 Jul 2009 at 6:10 pm 20.Lou said …

    Severin

    These are not MY ideas, they are mere observations. Alien life IS science-fiction Severin. Our knowledge of chemistry, biology & physics and such essentially provides proof we should NOT be here if you follow the laws as they now stand.
    In the same respect why would one necessarily presuppose another life form would even be a carbon-based life-form? We have yet to find a planet that could support carbon-based life and as we know the probability of it happening through natural law mechanisms are astronomical. But here we are. It would be the equivalent of looking for a mustard seed in all the sands of the earth realizing the mustard seed is probably not there.
    The only way to approach this is to believe and just hope it is true. The facts consist of could, might and possible. Those are not facts, they are hope and imagination.

    As I stated earlier, the 4th dimension’s possible existence is also supported by the mere existence of the first three if I use the logic you employ. As far as we know now, natural law at one time may have been debased for origins to take place. That makes the 4th dimension feasible and I deduce that is why the paranormal studies exist on many of our university campuses,

    I don’t know what my age has to do with anything. I’m old enough to remember when flight to the moon was called science-fiction. BTW, I am not opposed to SETI. I only point out the parallels of SETI with other faith based phenomena.

  21. on 20 Jul 2009 at 8:17 pm 21.anon said …

    Just for clarification, faith-based phenomena is not a could, might and possible. Faith-based phenomena is belief in 100%. I never hear a christian say “Jesus might have existed.” They say “Jesus existed and died for our sins!! Repent and accept him as your savior or suffer eternal damnation!!”. So the two aren’t even comparable like your comparing them.

  22. on 20 Jul 2009 at 11:20 pm 22.MRMEAN said …

    “Lou” wrote:”Our knowledge of chemistry, biology & physics and such essentially provides proof we should NOT be here if you follow the laws as they now stand.”

    That is nonsense.

    “We have yet to find a planet that could support carbon-based life….”

    Well, we found *one*.

    “… and as we know the probability of it happening through natural law mechanisms are astronomical.”

    Silly empty assertions echoing creationist talking points. It is more reasonable to believe that given adequate starting conditions, life may be inevitable.

    http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/11/is-life-inevita.html

  23. on 21 Jul 2009 at 12:22 am 23.Lou said …

    I followed the link. Here is your evidence.

    “But how we get from these simple building blocks to metabolism, genes and organisms is not entirely clear, despite several promising lines of attack.”

    “Most scientists think we are still at too immature a stage of knowledge to even speculate.”

    “Myself, I’m not convinced.” a quote from the author HIMSELF!

    Sigh…..

    So MRMEAN how were we “given” the adequate starting conditions?

  24. on 22 Jul 2009 at 12:23 am 24.A said …

    MRMEAN, walk away and spend your time productively.

    If this is the same Lou as before, he will pretty much ignore everything you say and then resort to special pleading.

  25. on 22 Jul 2009 at 9:27 am 25.MRMEAN said …

    I don’t respond to Anonymous posters.

  26. on 22 Jul 2009 at 6:35 pm 26.Xenon said …

    You did the right thing MRMEAN.

  27. on 25 Jul 2009 at 2:47 pm 27.Anonymous said …

    So in the end when it is time for you to die and everyone is born and everyone will die all you nonbelievers choose your own master. That is fine but I have known who God was since I was a little child and no I did not grow up in church. Matter of fact I was abandon as a baby. He said he was coming and no I do not feel sorry for the hard hearted man. It is man that destroyed the earth it is God who helps people. It is man who harms people. Do you not have anything better to do with your time then trying to prove there is no God. Did he do something to you personally or was it man that did it to you. Look around you the second coming did not come to bring peace and his second child is here. People are angry and there are wars everywhere and he is shutting down this stupid planet and don’t come to him in the end saying oh we did not know but yet you were so sure he did not exist. There is no proof to your nonsense. The bible has existed since the beginning of time and it is still here. God has protected his word. His word will always stand true which is more than I can say for mankinds. You did not make the heavens or the earth or the moon and stars. You are a warrior of satins and God knows that. You would be wise to renounce your ways and turn to God before time runs out and it is almost out.

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