Feed on Posts or Comments 21 December 2014

Christianity &Islam &Rationals &Science Johnson on 05 May 2009 12:45 am

Reconfirmed again – Praying for sick people has no effect

Every rational person knows that “praying” to help a sick person is meaningless superstition, no different than offering the sick person a lucky horseshoe. But now scientists have confirmed it yet again:

It’s official: praying for sick people doesn’t help

Every few years, a group based at Hertford College at Oxford puts together a statistical analysis of all the studies conducted to date that have looked at whether praying for sick people helps them get better (or at least stay alive).

The latest has just been published, and it contains something pretty radically new in their conclusions: the evidence is now so clear cut that they think that no more studies should be done. The book is shut. Praying for sick people simply doesn’t work.

Also interesting is the fact that a study that had previously shown a positive effect of prayer on in-vitro fertilization success rates has now been exposed as a fraudulent study:

The Columbia University ‘Miracle’ Story

PRAYER HAS NO EFFECT. If you are religious, you need to accept reality. Talking to an imaginary being in the sky makes you look like an idiot. This page will help:

Proof #2 – Statistically analyze prayer

16 Responses to “Reconfirmed again – Praying for sick people has no effect”

  1. on 06 May 2009 at 4:29 pm 1.Lou said …

    We know that science cannot prove the existence of God. But, science CAN prove that prayer does not work. Hmmm, I think I perceive a flaw here.

    Lets look at this. First, you would need to know the desired outcome that God desires. This presents a problem for the scientist. If they cannot even prove His existence how can they then know what His desired outcome is on each case? Study fails from lack of data right from the start. Parameter must be established which are not available.

    There is a man laying in CCU who should have died yesterday. I concluded based on my opinion that prayer was a huge pat of his being alive today.

  2. on 06 May 2009 at 4:50 pm 2.Anony said …

    Have you just ignored everything that people have responed to you with, or are you just dense? Which is it?

  3. on 06 May 2009 at 5:19 pm 3.Lou said …

    Which Anony are you now? Are you the one who tends to only respons with insults and the ad homenin attacks?

    You guys with the same name all sound a like to me. Hey

    I’m game. Prove my theory wrong but try to identify yourself as a particular anony(mous).

  4. on 06 May 2009 at 6:19 pm 4.Anony said …

    Lou, what do you want people to do? You bring up stupid points that are easily dismissed and resort to, “Nuh uh!” and just generally evade the question. If someone repeatedly shows how stupid you are, are they not justified in calling you stupid?

  5. on 06 May 2009 at 6:47 pm 5.Rostam said …

    If atheist claim God does not exist, why do they care about these adolescent stunts? Are they still not conviced or are they attempting to convice other.

    It sounds like they just assume that God would naturally do what they feel he should do. If he doesn’t then there is the proof prayer doesn’t work. I’ll go by what actual men & woman of prayer claim, not the circus acts. The funniest thing is they believe God would go along with these stunts. My my. It is so ridiculous I have no need to go on.

  6. on 06 May 2009 at 6:51 pm 6.Anony said …

    Rostam, who bombs abortion clinics? Atheists or christians?

    If you have no need to be here, then why are you?

  7. on 06 May 2009 at 7:32 pm 7.ANONYMOUS said …

    these guys do http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

  8. on 06 May 2009 at 7:36 pm 8.Anonymous said …

    Where on that site do they even claim responsibility?

  9. on 08 May 2009 at 1:03 pm 9.Anonymous said …

    Rostam, atheists for the most part do not claim that any gods exist or not. Atheist don’t believe gods exist. For specific deities, though, they can be disproven.

    To the rest of your comment…

    There are religious people who want supernatural entities to be considered when forming public policy. Those people promote bad actions that lead to harm. If you aren’t willing or able to do something about people who claim to be acting in the name of Christianity, then expect plenty of commentary from people who do care about the harm they do.

    In sum: Step up and deal with the problems caused in the name of Christianity, or expect us to do it in a way you may not like.

  10. on 08 May 2009 at 1:04 pm 10.Hermes said …

    The last post was from me.

  11. on 08 May 2009 at 1:05 pm 11.Hermes said …

    As for Lou’s comments. He can repeat anecdotes as many times as he wants. Theists in other religions and UFO followers do the same thing all the time. Don’t expect those types of comments to gain you any credibility.

  12. on 08 May 2009 at 4:36 pm 12.3D said …

    Something bothers me about this. I am an atheist, and I don’t think prayer does anything either as far as helping the sick. And I think the studies are necessary as we need to understand the universe around us as clearly as possible.

    But it just seems ghoulish to take delight in tearing down whatever props people up when their loved ones are suffering.

    I’d agree when it gets to the point of major churches exploiting the mourners, asking for money for prayer circles, etc. But I don’t see any harm in people having this mild delusion, at a personal level, if it helps them.

  13. on 08 May 2009 at 5:39 pm 13.GotMooo said …

    I understand all too well the need for coping mechanisms. I don’t have any problem with people praying for this reason. Pray for anything you want, but if more of the population spends time -doing- something about problems, then we can actually get a whole lot more done.

    You can pray for someone to be healed of cancer, but actually trying to eliminate cancer would be better in the end. I don’t see any logical reason to take a loved one to a hospital, if prayer is going to be the reason for the person being healed. Asking God to do something when he already has a divine plan seems like a big waste of time to me. Time would be better spent looking for cures to diseases and etc.

  14. on 08 May 2009 at 10:59 pm 14.Hermes said …

    3D, I think the real issue isn’t taking away the personal props that individuals cling to. The issue is that money and time is spent on those props in lieu of efforts that have been shown to be effective.

    Where the personal props become a problem is when they are seen as effective in the sense of “It worked for me/my cousin/my friend/…” and other people are convinced to rely on prayer or to denigrate medicine and medical professionals who deserve quite a bit of real respect.

  15. on 19 Jun 2009 at 8:57 pm 15.Flying V said …

    I’ll be glad when you folks abolish all the world’s religons. Kind of tired living on an unperfect planet filled with hope. Scientists can then right all the wrongs by growing limbs back and extending life for hundreds of years. I truly envy know-it-alls.

  16. on 20 Jun 2009 at 6:48 pm 16.Green said …

    I can’t tell, V, if you’re joking or not.

Trackback This Post | Subscribe to the comments through RSS Feed

Leave a Reply