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Christianity jntb on 04 Feb 2007 02:32 pm

The Christian Contradiction

God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Yet, the religious are compelled to send out missionaries so that others can find god. God is within each of us, but god is also everywhere, so why do I have to go and find him? Just to make sure we non-religious types don’t miss out on the fact that others have found god, the religious spend lots of money to build temples to their god so that they can go and pray to that god (even though god is everywhere and can accept prayers from all locations). Christians, in particular, wish to extol the virtues of Jesus, his teachings, his principles and to show just how much they follow Jesus (who, by the way, died for our sins). Some of the temples that Christians build are quite large and expensive. I hope god doesn’t tell Mother Theresa how much was spent. She could have fed and clothed a lot of people with all the money. Here, in the United States, we like to call the temples, megachurches. Some of these megachurches have a theme, some of them are like entering WaltDisneyWorld … you have to have a roadmap to enter so that you can figure out where to park.

How is it the teaching of Jesus to collect enormous sums of money to build such megachurches? These monuments are essentially the phallic symbols of collection plates from the Atlantic to the Pacific. How is it Christian to spend $30 million on a building and then install another $5-6 million on audio/visual equipment? Why, then, do Christians spend enormous sums for television commercials to show themselves standing next to starving Africans, a whole family of which I can feed for something like $9/month, and beg me to send them money when they just blew through $40-50 million to buy land, build a church and install a social system that does nothing for starving Africans.

Can a Christian out there, hopefully one who attends one of these megachurches, provide a good, thoughtful response to the contradiction represented by this image? (Visit the WWGHA forum link to see this photo in full as it does not reveal the whole photo in the blog layout format.)

WWGHA: The Christian Contradiction

15 Responses to “The Christian Contradiction”

  1. on 04 Feb 2007 at 4:33 pm 1.mattstarrs said …

    In response to:
    Can a Christian out there, hopefully one who attends one of these megachurches, provide a good, thoughtful response to the contradiction represented by this image?

    There can be no other response than to acknowledge the gross hypocrisy you are pointing out.

    However, I think that what you are describing is as much about the Americanism that wants to be bigger and better at everything as it is about misguided religious zeal.

    These megachurches are conspicuous by design, but please don’t think them representative of Christianity as a whole. There are a lot of Christian writers that make exactly the same point. One of my favourites is the hilarious Christian satire site “the wittenburg door” which is dedicated to making fun of our looney religious peers. Google it.

  2. on 04 Feb 2007 at 8:17 pm 2.Mushinronjya said …

    “These megachurches are conspicuous by design, but please don’t think them representative of Christianity as a whole.”

    It’s common to hear how people attempt to get others to think that xianity is always a “good” thing, and when it doesn’t appear to be such, then we should “ignore” those parts, because they want us to think that it shouldn’t be considered as “xianity as a whole”, or “xianity in general”.

  3. on 04 Feb 2007 at 8:37 pm 3.mattstarrs said …

    When have I ever made the assertion that:
    “xianity is always a “good” thing,”?

    Are you making things up again Mushy?

    If you read the bible you will see clearly a plethora of comments on the fact that not everyone that claims to be a christian is accepted as one by Christ.

    For example:

    Matthew 7:21
    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

    Luke 6:46
    “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

    Luke 13:25
    “When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:”

    Matthew 25:11-12
    “11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

    12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.”

    Matthew 25
    ” 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

    43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

    44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

    45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.”

    Matthew 13:
    “24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

    25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. ”

    Matthew 13:
    47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

    48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

    49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

    50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Revelation 3:
    14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

    15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

    21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

  4. on 05 Feb 2007 at 5:10 am 4.mattstarrs said …

    This is a test. I am not able to post on another thread . . .

  5. on 05 Feb 2007 at 5:11 am 5.mattstarrs said …

    Whew. Thought I had been blocked for a minute!

  6. on 05 Feb 2007 at 5:12 am 6.mattstarrs said …

    From “Are Christians Idiots”:
    oh man.I am still laughing!

    The god of grammar said:
    “You are far from a noticeable intelligent person.”

    And of course, there couldn’t be more than one person that thinks your ridiculous, so you say:
    “I bet you are kahuna.”

    Wrong again Einstien!

    And then there’s the way you keep edging closer to a realistic appraisal of your writing skills. You go from:

    “Um, I never put in bad grammar, and I always spell correctly. . . I do it right the first time”

    to:

    “I am 98% accurate. There is a 2% time I am not”

    to:

    “my spelling and grammar, which is better than most.”

    At this rate it won’t be too long until you get to the truth and admit that your writing skills really are as bad as Kahuna and I have been trying to tell you.

    This whole bigotry thing of yours is getting tired. I challenged your Ageist discrimination with:
    “Do you think that . . . I am too young to have valid points?”

    To which you responded:

    “You just “sound” too young.”

    Which is essentially a confession that you believe that a persons age determines their ability to contribute a valid point in a debate. Problem with that is that we could find millions of people less than half of your age (you’re 31, right?) that are way more articulate, intelligent and insightful than you.

    And you probably ought to chat with a shrink about this one:
    “That’s pretty sad. Someone that has imaginary friends, and is older than me. Weren’t you supposed to give them up when you were a kid? I, however, never had any.

    That helps us understand your inability to think outside the box of your fixed position, no matter how nonsensical you need to be to cling to it.

    You have serious issues with your ability to process information. Might have some connection with the absence of normal childhood play patterns involving healthy doses of imagination.

  7. on 05 Feb 2007 at 9:45 am 7.Mushinronjya said …

    “You have serious issues with your ability to process information.”

    Shouldn’t this be said of you, since you’re the one that has and is trying to defend your imaginary friends? How very interesting.

  8. on 07 Feb 2007 at 5:02 pm 8.mattstarrs said …

    I find it so amusing that on a site that is dedicated to attacking christianity, is set up to be appealing to ardent etheists, even has a resource bar on the side with links to things atheists might find “helpful”, a few random Christians can come along and clearly demonstrate the flaws in the whole basis for this site existing.

    Imagine what some serious Christian scholars could do?

  9. on 07 Feb 2007 at 11:02 pm 9.Mushinronjya said …

    “a few random Christians can come along and clearly demonstrate the flaws in the whole basis for this site existing.”

    Too bad none have yet.

    “Imagine what some serious Christian scholars could do?”

    Continue to look as ignorant and gullible as you?

    How has your imaginary friend been lately, anyhow?
    Been meaning to ask.
    Talk with it much?

  10. on 08 Feb 2007 at 6:24 am 10.UNINFLUENCED said …

    well first off let me start off by saying that i am not the type to fight.but dont you think that there are better things to be doing than bad mouthing GOD??? i persosonally do not attend one of those mega churches but if i did i would be proud!!! you see GOD does bless us not only Christians but those who truly believe…i can see that you simply seek attention and trash GOD as a way of getting it…u probably felt let down in the past by GOD but let me tell you,GOD will not answer the prayers of an unbeliever,GOD does not cure cancer for many reasons:because of sin,because of lack of FAITH,sometimes punishment occurs when the parent commits sin GOD will punish the offspring…but that is why Jesus died by accepting that he died for us we can gain Salvation and hence be cured if not in this lifetime then in our eternal life in Heaven…you see your problem isnt that GOD doesnt answer prayers its that if you dont get what you want you lose your FAITH GOD does everything in his own time when he feels you are ready hes not just going to give you what you want when you dont deserve it!!! thats basically saying”HEY, GOD I’M A SINNER I DO WRONG,AND I DON’T WANT TO CHANGE,BUT I DO WANT TO BE RICH AND HEALTHY AND LIVE A GREAT LIFE BUT,I STILL DON’T BELIEVE IN YOU!!!” if you dont believe in GOD why are you so interested in him??? you believe what you want,but i know hes here with me… dont try to force an opinion jus like im not forceing you to be Christian,Catholic,Muslim,etc… do not try to force GOD out of California,the United States or even our lives because i guarantee you that GOD is so much powerful that your little article…oh! and when you are reciteing verses from the Bible dont just post what you want and then add on to it…. God destroyed those people for a reason because they were unjust sinners who were full of blasphemy… I WILL PRAY FOR YOU BECAUSE I CAN SEE THAT YOU TRULY ARE A LOST SOUL… and i know GOD will have some mercy on you but when the end comes i hope you repent…I PRAY THAT GOD PUTS MANY FOLLOWERS AND BELIEVERS IN YOU LIFE TO PLANT THE SEED OF SALVATION IN YOUR LIFE GOD WILLING IN TIME YOU TO CAN FULLY EXPERIENCE GODS GREAT LOVE….OH! AND REMEMBER GOD HATES THE SIN BUT LOVES THE SINNER…..

  11. on 08 Feb 2007 at 2:30 pm 11.andy said …

    well?

  12. on 10 Feb 2007 at 4:59 pm 12.Julia said …

    I’m baffled by your reference to that shameless hypocrite Mother Theresa. Feeding and clothing people was the last thing on her mind! She became famous thanks to a 1960s British TV documentary produced by the credulous Malcolm Muggeridge, who mistook a “mysterious light” apparently emanating from MT as proof that she was a living saint (the light was caused by the way the film was developed). Muggeridge gave her a generous gift of money to Mother Theresa’s mission in Calcutta – which she promptly spent on altar plate!

    This was a taste of things to come. Millions of dollars have been donated to Mother Theresa’s mission but precious little of it has gone to help the poor. In reality Mother Theresa’s mission was a small-scale operation, filthy, poorly equipped and more interested in converting dying Hindus to Christianity than saving lives. Toys donated to the children in her care were sold in local shops because Jesus had to do without toys. She lied about the number of people supported by her mission and claimed that her order ran the largest school in India. I could go on and on.

    Please, let’s expose this ghastly woman for the fraud she was!

  13. on 10 Feb 2007 at 7:15 pm 13.Mushinronjya said …

    Good post Julia, I learned rather recently about Mother Theresa as well.
    That’s not even her name either. :)

  14. on 03 Sep 2008 at 10:23 am 14.Larry said …

    Dear friends,

    Here is a brief response!

    Christians do not build churches for the purpose of praying only as stated in the blog. Christians pray at home, in public and everywhere they go. The churches are built to have a place to assemble for the purpose of teaching the word of God and organizing the good works to be performed by the church — mainly in the immediate community and missions works abroad. Additionally…I would encourage you not to look to Christians but to look to Christ. You will always be able to find something wrong with a Christian (Jesus followers)….but you well never be able to find anything wrong with Jesus Christ.

  15. on 03 Sep 2008 at 12:02 pm 15.Brian E said …

    Never find anything wrong with Jesus, huh Larry? Try this link then.

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