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Christianity &Rationals Johnson on 24 Mar 2009 12:00 am

A 40-year, born again, professional Christian talks about his atheism

The video opens with:

Hello and Welcome to my new YouTube channel, “Finally Free From Faith”. Now, before I get into my topic for the day, I want to tell you just a little bit about myself. For 40 years I was a Christian, a Southern Baptist to be exact. I was raised in a Christian environment and saved at the age of nine. In my professional career, I spent most of my time working at the second-largest Christian television network in the country as a director, senior director actually, and lighting director. After that I started my own production company where I worked almost exclusively with ministries.

Today, I am an atheist…

118 Responses to “A 40-year, born again, professional Christian talks about his atheism”

  1. on 24 Mar 2009 at 4:07 pm 1.John3:16 said …

    Hi there. I’m happy to hear that you were once a christian. Now I’m sorry to hear that the enemy has brought you over to his side. That’s exactly what he has tried to do since Adam and Eve. Don’t give in. Stay strong in Christ. There is no greater reward then to recieve Jesus Christ in your heart. I will say a prayer for you. Jesus loves you no matter what. You must repent and come back to the salvation of Jesus Christ. You know this is the right thing to do. God never leaves us. It is us who leave Him. Don’t let the enemy win. Cause in all actuallity, he has already lost. Jesus is waiting for you. Philipians 4:13 I say to you my brother. and one last scripture God gave me to give to you, Proverbs 3:5-6.

    God bless you,
    an apprentice pastor, a worker for God…

  2. on 24 Mar 2009 at 5:14 pm 2.Hermes said …

    Who are you talking to?

  3. on 24 Mar 2009 at 5:32 pm 3.Nate Lane said …

    I spent the majority of my life being a Christian. Now that I look back from an atheist standpoint I realize my ignorance in trying to explain what I didn’t understand as a ‘sign’ from god. I believe one of the reasons, as there are many, why people decide to believe in a higher power is because they want to believe that there is a better place to go to when you die, and quite frankly that is a very easy and comforting thing to ‘believe’. As I advance in this lifetime I come to realize that these signs of god can be explained clearly with a little bit of knowledge and an open mind. I strongly agree with what you have to say, and I wish to be brave enough to stand up and say what is on my mind, and not have to type it down like I am right now, thank you for this great video.

    -Nate(ntlane2004@gmail.com)

  4. on 24 Mar 2009 at 6:12 pm 4.Rafael said …

    Let me share with you the story of a messiah that was written a long-long time ago. His coming was announced by an angel to a young virgin. She was told that she would give birth to a son who would be the only begotten son of God. The adoptive father joined the young virgin to protect her and he was a direct descendant of royalty.

    The boy’s birth was witnessed by shepherds and three noble men who came to adore the god-child. They followed a star in the sky to arrive at his birthplace. The boy was immediately in danger and the family fled thanks to the advise of an angel.

    The boy grew to be a man, and at age 30 was baptized in a river. The baptist was later beheaded for this action. The young messiah then started his ministry and gathered a following of disciples. He was tempted in the dessert, but he resisted. He performed many miracles including: walking on water, commanding the seas, healing the sick, making the blind sea, and most impressive of all, raising the dead.

    He became popular and was known as the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, and the fisher. He was condemned for death and was crucified along with two thieves. His body was buried in a tomb but rose from the death by the third day.

    This is not the story of Jesus, but rather the story of Horus. His story was written in the Egyptian “Book of the dead” many centuries before Jesus (2000BC). What most Christians don’t know is that the story of Jesus is not original. In fact there are other messiahs/gods that are very similar to the story of Jesus: Mythra and Krishna are two other great examples.

    Just goes to show you that the new testament was written using the many stories that surrounded the area during that time. Its just that Christianity in the end triumphed over the rest of them in the Western World. whygod.weebly.com

  5. on 24 Mar 2009 at 10:05 pm 5.Lou said …

    I may have missed it but does this somehow prove the christians are wrong? Interpretation of the evidence is in the eye of the beholder.

    My college hero Anthony Flew is now a diest. A life long atheist who just followed the evidence. That would carry a little more weight than a disgruntled parishoner.

    Rafael similar stories also exist about creation and a worldwide flood throughout many ancient cultures. Almost all historians agree that Jesus is truly a historical figure, So what is your point my friend?

  6. on 25 Mar 2009 at 2:13 am 6.Schadenfreude said …

    He wasn’t special?

  7. on 25 Mar 2009 at 2:23 am 7.Schadenfreude said …

    Or original.

  8. on 25 Mar 2009 at 5:32 am 8.Thomas Beha said …

    I agree that being a Christian is a big delusion. So is others who are following Muslims teaching being mislead. I am reading the God Delusion now. I can see how folks don’t think carefully about their belief and not see the errors of the teachings of the bible and how easy it is for humans to be a sucker for religion activities to escape the reality of life as humans, growing and getting old and approaching the challenges of trying to stay young or alive. As a former Christian, I can understand where you are coming from.

  9. on 25 Mar 2009 at 9:54 am 9.Darrell said …

    Hermes responce at #2 to comment #1 John3:16
    “who are you talking to?”

    If you just look about 5mm above John3:16′s name does it not clearly show who he is addressing?

    Not supprised at all though Hermes as your not here to actually debate any topic, your only goal is to convert the weak to be an atheist.

    To address the topic on this blog. What is his point? He converted from christian to atheist. Big deal!!! Would he like an award ceremony for it?

    So does one mans change of faith prove the ultimate question?

    I think not!

  10. on 25 Mar 2009 at 10:10 am 10.Darrell said …

    Now if several people converted that might convince me, like when my mum and dad converted to some sort of swingers club i thought that was silly but they seemed to enjoy it.

  11. on 25 Mar 2009 at 10:41 am 11.Darrell said …

    Wow Hermes and Gern keep using my name then you complete morons.
    Is this what you have to resort to try to silence me just because you cant answer my questions?

    FUCKING PATHETIC

    Do you honestly believe people will take notice of that?

    Im going nowhere untill you can answer my questions.

    So if you want keep up your little game of posting under my name as no intelligent person would believe you.

  12. on 25 Mar 2009 at 10:43 am 12.Darrell said …

    Okay I’ll admit this is just one big social experiment with a bunch of darrells

  13. on 25 Mar 2009 at 10:44 am 13.Darrell said …

    I am smarter than you mate, and everybody here knows it.

  14. on 25 Mar 2009 at 10:48 am 14.Darrell said …

    I think that people should keep their beliefs to themselves, and its funny because thats what hermes and gern seem to believe too but i can’t get that into my thick skull, so Im going to continue posting even though we seem to be making the same point and even though theyve answered all my questions and i chose to ignore it

  15. on 25 Mar 2009 at 12:10 pm 15.Darrell said …

    Ok Hermes if you think you have answered my questions you can easily refer me to them then, so do it please.

    As for you thinking people should keep their beliefs to themselves, I simply refer back to your admittance of bashing your views into others.
    Now who is the hypocrite!

  16. on 25 Mar 2009 at 12:18 pm 16.Darrell said …

    Hermes you bore me, anyway my hot asian wife wants me to come to bed so she can fuck me all night long. Oh did I mention shes a catholic, Gern talks of being affected by religion daily, Ive got to sleep with the bullshit and listen to it all day. Yet we accept eachother regardless of beliefs.
    See if your truly open minded you get rewarded.
    Have fun with your hand wankers!!!

  17. on 25 Mar 2009 at 4:40 pm 17.Nate Lane said …

    Ahhh!!! The battle of the Darrells!

  18. on 25 Mar 2009 at 5:37 pm 18.Darrell said …

    And Darrell was clearly the winner.

  19. on 25 Mar 2009 at 6:43 pm 19.Darrell said …

    You are really getting on my nerves. I was so distracted earlier, my Asian wife was left unsatisfied.

  20. on 25 Mar 2009 at 7:16 pm 20.Darrell said …

    SO intelligent Hermes, jealous are you?

    Like I said wanker you can play your games of pretending to be me but Im not going anywhere.

    As for some of the comments, is this whole blog just your agrueing with yourself?
    sorry correction, the ones who disagree are real but looks like the ones who back you up are just you!
    Seriously man are you that insecure in your own beliefs that you need to continue pretending?

  21. on 26 Mar 2009 at 1:10 am 21.Red Chili said …

    I’d hate to be named Darrell at this point…

    Are you a Christian troll?

  22. on 26 Mar 2009 at 1:18 am 22.Darrell said …

    How dare you! What are you insinuating? The nerve!

    But to answer your question, yes.

  23. on 26 Mar 2009 at 1:57 am 23.Hermes said …

    OK Darrells and other hucksters, wrap it up. I’d like to get back to some comments from visitors to the blog. (Don’t get me wrong, though, I’m still laughing!)

    I guess the issue is one of practicality. I’d like to know that when the message says it was posted by Darrell, I can ignore it with confidence that I’m not missing anything.

    ;-O

  24. on 26 Mar 2009 at 4:09 am 24.Nick said …

    I couldnt find a place on your “God is Imaginary” Website, and didnt bother posting on your trash forums. Your absolutely insane, and i would LOVE, to prove you wrong here in any argument you can bring, please, email me. But being a strong Christian, i can truely say, well for one, there is a God, there was a Jesus, he died, and rose again, thats not only proof enough, not to mention his LIFE, and Frankly, enough that wastes of cyberspace websites like this should be silenced. I see your opinion, and respect that you have your own opinion, but not the opinion. You’ll be in my prayers,and i BEG you, email me, i will disprove any of your “Truth” myths with bible verses, as you so took out of context, and turned towards your meaningless “Truths.” So bring it.

  25. on 26 Mar 2009 at 6:13 am 25.Darrell said …

    Herems looks like Im to be the bigger man then and end this crap as Im seriously bored with you.

    Ok I am willing to forget all the garbage and move on.
    I apologise for the personal attacks as in the end I dont know you so I cant prove anything about you.

    You just said above ‘wrap it up’, OK Im willing to, the question is “are you?”

    So lets move on then shall we without the insults just intelligent debate.

    Is that acceptable for you?

  26. on 26 Mar 2009 at 6:17 am 26.Darrell said …

    So Hermes Ill just stick to the topics related to Does God Exist

    Also Ill just do one question at a time.

    Hermes do you really care if god does or doesnt exist?

  27. on 26 Mar 2009 at 6:20 am 27.Darrell said …

    Nick,
    you seem very confident you have some proof to gods existence. I would like to hear it please.

    You say to email you but you havent given your email address so please do so, thanks.

  28. on 26 Mar 2009 at 6:39 am 28.Darrell said …

    Red Chili,

    No Im not a christian thanks for asking.

    Im not a fan of any religion.

    Red Chili are you an atheist?

  29. on 26 Mar 2009 at 10:08 am 29.Gern Blansten said …

    Hermes, this probably isn’t of any interest to you, but one of Darrell’s latest messages said……

    Herems looks like Im to be the bigger man then and end this crap as Im seriously bored with you.
    Ok I am willing to forget all the garbage and move on.
    I apologise for the personal attacks as in the end I dont know you so I cant prove anything about you.
    You just said above ‘wrap it up’, OK Im willing to, the question is “are you?”
    So lets move on then shall we without the insults just intelligent debate.
    Is that acceptable for you?………

    Me again. Very touching how his “apology” starts with an insult, huh?

  30. on 26 Mar 2009 at 11:21 am 30.Hermes said …

    Gern, I’m done. I’d just like the spam to stop now.

  31. on 26 Mar 2009 at 11:39 am 31.Gern Blansten said …

    I’m sure it will.

  32. on 26 Mar 2009 at 4:58 pm 32.Thomas Beha said …

    Nick – guess what? as an ex-christian, I can attest that believers changes viewpoint of the bible from left to right, north to south, east to west, west to east! It is crazy….sorry, Yahweh was just a man like you and me.

  33. on 26 Mar 2009 at 5:08 pm 33.Anonymous said …

    Hey where did Hermes go?

  34. on 26 Mar 2009 at 5:30 pm 34.Anonymous said …

    The reason I am asking is because he actually defend his beliefs like an adult not a child.I am not saying I agree with him. I just miss laughing at his arrogance and overconfidence.

  35. on 26 Mar 2009 at 5:37 pm 35.rational? said …

    Hey everyone I have a good website you should chek out: http://www.everystudent.com. Seriously give it a chance. You will like it NICK.

  36. on 26 Mar 2009 at 5:57 pm 36.Anonymous said …

    My dear rational? I belive that Herpes (Hermes)would like that web site more! I JUST went to it and read the first paragraph, nice!

  37. on 26 Mar 2009 at 8:06 pm 37.Hermes said …

    Anonymous, arrogance only works when there is a reason to be so, and when that happens it is no longer overconfidence. Instead, it is mere acknowledgement of reality.

    Happy now? ;-}

  38. on 26 Mar 2009 at 8:11 pm 38.Darrell said …

    Gern Hermes,
    Im willing to move on and get back to the topic, like I said the question is ‘are you ?’

    If you want to keep up with the bullshit Ill simply do the same.

    Its now your choice.

  39. on 26 Mar 2009 at 8:17 pm 39.Darrell said …

    Gern
    thank you for actually reading the comment.

    Are you up for real discussion?

  40. on 26 Mar 2009 at 8:53 pm 40.Gern Blansten said …

    Darrell, I don’t want to butt heads any more. If you want to argue, no, I’m not up for that.

    This site gets visited by a TON of drive-by trolls, spammers, and generally hateful people. Your very first post made you appear to be one of those. I hope you’re not.

  41. on 26 Mar 2009 at 9:29 pm 41.Lou said …

    Thomas,

    As a ex-atheist from way back, I can attest the same regarding atheism. The problem with attitudes like these is the opposition attempts to pigeon-hole those they disagree with. The reality is that atheism & Christianity can seem rationale or foolish based on how the evidence is presented and evaluated. A lot of has to do with lack of knowledge by the opposing side in many cases.

  42. on 26 Mar 2009 at 9:36 pm 42.Hermes said …

    Lou, as an ex-atheist, can you tell me, in your own words, what an atheist is? One short sentence should be adequate.

  43. on 26 Mar 2009 at 11:53 pm 43.Chris said …

    HEY YALL.

    Lol Darrell you fail hard.

    I love it when Christians say that their “proof” that God exists goes something like this.

    “God DID exist, so shut the fuck up.”

    Wow, that’s really weak.

  44. on 26 Mar 2009 at 11:53 pm 44.Darrell said …

    We should have another Darrell fight with Darrells.

  45. on 26 Mar 2009 at 11:53 pm 45.Darrell said …

    LET THE DARRELLING BEGIN!

  46. on 27 Mar 2009 at 12:12 am 46.Hermes said …

    Isn’t that like fisting, but without the lesbians? :-(

  47. on 27 Mar 2009 at 3:43 am 47.Darrell said …

    Ok let the bullshit continue then.

    I gave you a chance to talk but you want to play games which only shows what a bunch of fuckwits you all are and that your not interested in anyones comment.

    By the way Chris did I say I believe in god?
    Refer me to the comment where I said it.

  48. on 27 Mar 2009 at 5:44 am 48.Red Chili said …

    If you don’t believe in God, why the big fuss?

  49. on 27 Mar 2009 at 8:00 am 49.Darrell said …

    Red Chili,

    Excellent point, same point Ive been trying to make before some wanker started his childish game.

    If you dont believe in god why do you need someone to tell you that he does or doesnt exist?
    Thats the question your asking right Red Chili?

    Thats what Ive been trying to get through to Hermes and Gern. They dont believe in god or gods yet they want people to try to convince them otherwise.
    It doesnt seem to make sence.
    If you dont believe in god then just leave it at that then, why fight with christians and others over the topic?
    Same goes to those who do believe in god, why fight about it?

    My only theory for this is that they must not have a strong faith in what they believe.

    If you dont believe in god thats good, your choice!

    If you do believe in god, again good as its your choice.

    If your not sure if you do or dont believe in god then good too, your choice!

    If your like me and simply dont care if god exists or not then good!

    Why push the point people cant you just accept eachothers beliefs?

  50. on 27 Mar 2009 at 8:03 am 50.Darrell said …

    Gern,
    you dont want to butt heads, why? Maybe because its pointless just as this website is pointless.

    I did laugh though when you said you dont want to argue. I thought the whole theme of this website was to argue your point.

    If you dont want to argue then why are you here?

  51. on 27 Mar 2009 at 11:09 am 51.Gern Blansten said …

    There’s a difference between arguing and debating.

  52. on 27 Mar 2009 at 11:26 am 52.Hermes said …

    Red Chili, the bad acts of the religious done in the name of religion are what concern me. If enough religious people would get their peers not to do those bad acts, I would have no concerns.

    Yet, that’s not the case. So, because the religious either won’t deal with the bad actors, or they don’t see any bad actions being done in the name of their religion, I’m left with very few choices.

    Religious beliefs are largely based on assertions of dogma sprinkled by mythology (often the good stuff in other contexts) thrown in to fill in the gaps.

    If I care about this world it becomes my responsibility to do something positive. That includes talking people out of some or all of their religious preconceptions, so be it. I’ll take their thanks when it comes after the discussion, as it occasionally does.

  53. on 27 Mar 2009 at 7:57 pm 53.Steve said …

    Hermes you are no different than the religious folks you slam. Talking someone out of their beliefs and bringing them into your truth is evangelism. Ironically, this is the very thing atheist tend to despise. How hypocritical. Why don’t you keep your beliefs to yourself like you want the religious zealots to do?

    When will the atheist control their own atheist. Do you have a plan or a manifesto for the organization?

    Hey start with these guys http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

  54. on 28 Mar 2009 at 12:56 am 54.Hermes said …

    Steve, have you heard the statement “Have you stopped beating your wife?”? Your comment is no better than that, as you’ve already accused me of something that would take time to dissuade you of. Yet, if I try you will surely see that as a form of evangelism.

    Judge as you want. If you actually want to deal with reality instead of throwing around accusations, let me know.

  55. on 28 Mar 2009 at 11:34 am 55.Lou said …

    Steve one man’s delusion is another mans reality.

  56. on 28 Mar 2009 at 2:13 pm 56.Thomas Beha said …

    Darrell,

    You got that all wrong. Certain religion beliefs have made humans an dangerous animals, causing wars, being suicidal bombers, indoctrinating their kids to their own belief without regards to letting the kids to learn on their own (a form of brainwashing, obviously). We need to clean up extreme beliefs that hurts instead of help the human race and discard it.

    This website is not pointless at all, as it makes people think about things they had believed and start to change realizing the peace does not come by force to a particular way or belief that is harmful.

    Darrell – you do not belong here since you showed that you have no intention to learn here. You are not being meek at all, instead trying to butt heads with the folks who are shedding a wide type of views in god(s).

  57. on 28 Mar 2009 at 9:07 pm 57.Darrell said …

    Sorry Thomas I disagree, this website is pointless.
    Just a bunch of people talking without any intention of acting on what is said.

    I do agree though on your point of removing the harmful extreme views of religion,, it would make the word a better place but only for a short time.
    Once you cut down one group of extremists another will rise to take its place.
    Its a war that can never be won Thomas.

    You know as well as I do that the more you tell an extremist their views are harmful the more they will stick to their hardcore views just to spite those who disagree.

  58. on 29 Mar 2009 at 4:48 pm 58.Red Chili said …

    Have I given the impression I’m a Christian? I should have been clearer. I was trying to see why Darrell felt such a need to be hostile towards this site.

  59. on 29 Mar 2009 at 9:24 pm 59.Darrell said …

    Red Chili, did I say anything about you being christian?

    To answer your question this website is a joke, its pointless. No person can prove the existence or non-existence of god so why even try to?

    People who wants to debate their beliefs have no strong faith in their own!

  60. on 29 Mar 2009 at 10:21 pm 60.Red Chili said …

    Maybe I wasn’t talking to you… Based on Hermes reply, I got the feeling he thought I was one. I might have looked too much into it.
    __
    If it’s a joke, why not go away and stop investing so much time here?
    __
    I thought Hermes’s response was pretty good.
    __
    I think debating your beliefs will actually make them stronger, or at least lead to a better way of thinking.

  61. on 29 Mar 2009 at 10:22 pm 61.Red Chili said …

    I hate living in the Bible Belt.

  62. on 30 Mar 2009 at 5:25 am 62.Darrell said …

    No worries Red Chili, I was called a christian too.
    Dont worry Im not hanging around on here for long, Ive got a real life to keep me busy.

    Only point I wanted to make on here is just how stupid some people are to think they can prove gods existence or non-existence. Is it really going to change anything?

    I agree with what you said about debate but it depends on the topic. The topic of this website can never be won by either side so why put so much energy into it?

  63. on 30 Mar 2009 at 11:44 pm 63.Chris said …

    Lou said: “Steve one man’s delusion is another mans reality.”

    No it isn’t.

  64. on 30 Mar 2009 at 11:46 pm 64.Chris said …

    Darrell said: “it would make the word a better place but only for a short time.
    Once you cut down one group of extremists another will rise to take its place.
    Its a war that can never be won Thomas.”

    No it isn’t.

  65. on 30 Mar 2009 at 11:47 pm 65.Chris said …

    Darrell said: “Dont worry Im not hanging around on here for long, Ive got a real life to keep me busy.”

    No you don’t.

  66. on 30 Mar 2009 at 11:48 pm 66.Chris said …

    Darrell said: “Only point I wanted to make on here is just how stupid some people are to think they can prove gods existence or non-existence. ”

    No it isn’t.

  67. on 30 Mar 2009 at 11:49 pm 67.Chris said …

    Darrell said: “Is it really going to change anything?”

    Yes it is. (From personal experience, trust me.)

  68. on 30 Mar 2009 at 11:52 pm 68.Chris said …

    Darrell said: “I agree with what you said about debate but it depends on the topic. The topic of this website can never be won by either side”

    Yes it can. (How the fuck would you know if you keep trying to hush out the conversation?[Think about that.{The world NEEDS to go through a period of "debating" and "arguing" so that the message will eventually be clear}]).

  69. on 30 Mar 2009 at 11:52 pm 69.Chris said …

    Okay I’m done now.

  70. on 31 Mar 2009 at 8:46 am 70.Darrell said …

    Chris the last point you made about debate.

    If the question of gods exitence or non-existence can be proven by a human then please show me so we can end the crap.

    Im out of here, way to many morons here furrowing their brow in a vain attempt to understand the situation!!!

  71. on 01 Apr 2009 at 8:56 pm 71.Chris said …

    Darrell you said that like 10 times, either leave or stay.

    I would personally prefer for you to leave, but whatever.

  72. on 01 Apr 2009 at 11:44 pm 72.bill said …

    Funny, I am an amputee.
    I have never prayed to God to have Him restore my finger that was cut off. I never thought about it…
    I have thought however, that I was amazed it didn’t hurt at the time (because of shock)… and I was amazed at God’s healing powers.
    So, before you ask a question like: why doesn’t God “heal” amputees… maybe you should ask one!
    Another thing.. I listened to six minutes of you speak and didn’t hear ONE reason I should be an atheist.. you didn’t make one point..And you were a lighting director.. then why is the left side of your face light and the right so dark.. you aren’t even good at that!
    You give no argument and are nothing but a waste of time!

  73. on 02 Apr 2009 at 1:36 am 73.Hermes said …

    Bill, you’re one in a million.

  74. on 02 Apr 2009 at 1:38 am 74.ANON said …

    Didn’t pray to God? Small wonder!
    /sarcasm

  75. on 02 Apr 2009 at 2:22 am 75.bill said …

    Anon,
    Why would I pray to have my finger restored?
    I never blamed God for it. Is that what you atheists think that we are indulgent enough to pray for that?
    And Herpes, give me one reason to be an atheist…
    And still waiting for Mr lighting director to respond

  76. on 02 Apr 2009 at 3:21 am 76.ANON said …

    But God gives you everything you ask for! He says it himself in his Bible!

    Why wouldn’t you want your finger restored???

    Hermes -> Herpes
    I saw what you did there.

  77. on 02 Apr 2009 at 9:57 am 77.Hermes said …

    Bill, your whit is only surpassed by your insight into the question being asked.

    So you can not plead ignorance later, here’s what the author of this site says about your miscomprehension of a straight forward proposition;

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm

    Skip any parts you want, or the whole thing, and I’ll embarrass you later for repeating what has already been addressed there.

  78. on 02 Apr 2009 at 10:00 am 78.Hermes said …

    Bill, consider Karl Merk. One of your peers;

    —-

    “_World’s first double arm transplant patient delighted_”

    Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/3158287/Worlds-first-double-arm-transplant-patient-delighted.html

    “The world’s only transplant recipient of two full arms said the feeling of being whole again was “indescribable”.
    A German farmer’s woken up from a fifteen-hour operation to a brand new pair of arms after the world’s first double transplant.

    Karl Merk, a German dairy farmer whose arms had been amputated after an accident, said he felt like a “whole man” again as he spoke for the first time since the operation in July.

    “The feeling is indescribable. Every day I gain more mobility,” said Mr Merk as he showed off the arms, which are being supported by a special “corset” while the healing continues.

    Six years ago Mr Merk lost his arms in a farm maize threshing machine. Found by a colleague as he lay bleeding to death, he screamed: “Kill me, kill me!” But the man saved his life instead.

    Doctors at the teaching hospital of the Technical University in Munich then planned a world first: to transplant two arms at once. The procedure was conducted over two days in July.

    A team of 40 surgeons and nurses working in two operating rooms removed the arms from the donor, who had died only hours before, and transplanted them to mr Merk, who had only been left with small stumps just below his shoulders following his amputations.

    The first step was to expose the muscle, nerves and blood vessels to be connected. Before the bones of the donor could be cut, blood vessels in Mr Merk’s arms were filled with a cooled preservation solution.

    Both arms were then removed exactly at the point matching the patient’s arm stumps. First the bones were joined, then arteries and veins to ensure blood circulation as quickly as possible.

    The surgeons then attached the muscles and tendons, then the nerves and finally the skin.

    Doctors have been closely monitoring Mr Merk’s progress ever since, as he undergoes physical therapy as well as psychological counselling.

    The doctors said in a statement that there had been “no sign” that Merk’s immune system was rejecting the foreign tissue, as was feared before the procedure, and that his scars were healing well.

    The medical team said that hand and lower arm transplants were still rare and that the Munich operation, by attaching an elbow joint as well as an upper arm, posed a greater challenge for the immune and circulatory systems.”

  79. on 02 Apr 2009 at 10:05 am 79.Hermes said …

    Bill, a video of Mr. Merk with his new arms;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GATCiaeuK0E

  80. on 02 Apr 2009 at 10:06 am 80.Hermes said …

    Bill, so, let’s deal with facts and not assume each other’s opinions on the matters being discussed. When you are ready, I am ready.

  81. on 02 Apr 2009 at 12:05 pm 81.Lou said …

    Bill I respect your insight. I have never lost a limb but can imagine the shock and the adjustment. I have posted a testimony from Nick Vujicic. I have met this gentlemen and he is an amazing guy.

    My name is Nick Vujicic and I give God the Glory for how He has used my testimony to touch thousands of hearts around the world! I was born without limbs and doctors have no medical explanation for this birth “defect”. As you can imagine, I was faced with many challenges and obstacles.

    “Consider it pure joy, my Brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds.”

    …. To count our hurt, pain and struggle as nothing but pure joy? As my parents were Christians, and my Dad even a Pastor of our church, they knew that verse very well. However, on the morning of the 4th of December 1982 in Melbourne ( Australia ), the last two words on the minds of my parents was “Praise God!”. Their firstborn son had been born without limbs! There were no warnings or time to prepare themselves for it. The doctors were shocked and had no answers at all! There is still no medical reason why this had happened and Nick now has a Brother and Sister who were born just like any other baby.

    The whole church mourned over my birth and my parents were absolutely devastated. Everyone asked, “if God is a God of Love, then why would God let something this bad happen to not just anyone, but dedicated Christians?” My Dad thought I wouldn’t survive for very long, but tests proved that I was a healthy baby boy just with a few limbs missing.

    “And we know that in all things God works for the best for those who love Him.” That verse spoke to my heart and convicted me to the point where that I know that there is no such thing as luck, chance or coincidence that these “bad” things happen in our life.

    I had complete peace knowing that God won’t let anything happen to us in our life unless He has a good purpose for it all. I completely gave my life to Christ at the age of fifteen after reading John 9. Jesus said that the reason the man was born blind was “so that the works of God may be revealed through Him.” I truly believed that God would heal me so I could be a great testimony of His Awesome Power. Later on I was given the wisdom to understand that if we pray for something, if it’s God’s will, it’ll happen in His time. If it’s not God’s will for it to happen, then I know that He has something better.

    I now see that Glory revealed as He is using me just the way I am and in ways others can’t be used.

  82. on 02 Apr 2009 at 12:08 pm 82.Lou said …

    Bill,

    Any response you may have is welcome. I promise not to attempt to embarrass you in anyway.

    Lou

  83. on 02 Apr 2009 at 3:18 pm 83.Anonymous said …

    I wonder why people feel the need to post their name at the end of their comments?

    -Anonymous.

  84. on 02 Apr 2009 at 3:19 pm 84.bill said …

    seems to me you people have no arguement for your cause… after reading the posts you sound like a bunch of kids..
    if you say there is no God, what’s your proof?
    And please dont answer a question with a question…

    You say there is no God! Proove it!

  85. on 02 Apr 2009 at 7:59 pm 85.Hermes said …

    Bill, I provided a link that substantiates the basic argument of this site. Do you have any questions about it?

  86. on 02 Apr 2009 at 8:05 pm 86.Hermes said …

    Bill, I will offer you this to your last demand.

    You deity ‘God’ does exist in the exact same way that all other deities exist. If you disagree, I’m open to you explaining how I am mistaken. If not, we are in agreement.

  87. on 02 Apr 2009 at 8:59 pm 87.bill said …

    Hermes,
    You offer no proof that God does not exist. Is that it? Correct me if I misinterpret you. Thanks

  88. on 02 Apr 2009 at 10:48 pm 88.Lou said …

    Bill,

    Atheist cannot prove there is not a God. Regardless of Hermes statement above, he knows quite well stating “There is no God” is not a provable or even a plausible statement.

    If you are looking for an answer to that question, you are at the wrong location. If you can find a source to prove such a notion please do not forget to share. You will be putting a lot of book writers and publishers out of business.

    Remember, belief is every bit as justifiable as atheism and the evidence fits the theory like a glove.

    Lou
    (hey anonymous, this is to show I know my name (LOL))

  89. on 03 Apr 2009 at 12:31 am 89.Anonymous said …

    Bill,

    Theist(s) cannot prove there IS a god. Regarding of Lou’s statement above, he knows quite well stating, “There is a God.” is not a provable or plausible statement.

    -Anonymous
    (Hey, Lou, your name is attached to the top of the post. Will you forget it if it’s not constantly repeated? (Lulz))

  90. on 03 Apr 2009 at 12:43 am 90.bill said …

    Still waiting fellas!
    You guys get on a web site to state your case and have nothing!
    You are atheists! You belive there is NO GOD….
    Show me! You must have some reasoning behind your belief.

  91. on 03 Apr 2009 at 1:05 am 91.Hermes said …

    Bill: “You offer no proof that God does not exist. Is that it? Correct me if I misinterpret you. Thanks”

    Tell me the god you believe in, and why, and I’ll tell you if I believe in or not and why.

    If you can’t, I don’t know if your deity exists or not, or if it can be disproved.

    If this is too much for you, I’ll be glad to put words in your mouth and disprove what you might consider a straw man as long as I have your assurance that you’ll not gripe about it later.

    (You see, I’ve had enough of Christians telling me one thing, and it turns out that they change their minds later — or accuse me of misrepresenting them. Who can tell when they frequently disagree among themselves about what deity they worship (except the name) and what it is.)

    Really attempting to bend over backward for you … but not going to do a forward bend. Got it?

  92. on 03 Apr 2009 at 1:09 am 92.Hermes said …

    Note to everyone: I’m not paying attention to the blog as much as before. If you want a quicker and more detailed and thoughtful response, post a note in the forums. My user ID is the same as it is here.

  93. on 03 Apr 2009 at 1:59 am 93.bill said …

    Simple question Hermes…
    You are an atheist…
    An atheist believes there is no God….
    I really appreciate you bending over to help me (backwards of course) …
    Give me some proof!
    I’m not asking you to disprove my Deity!
    I am simply asking you to prove yours.

  94. on 03 Apr 2009 at 3:00 am 94.Anonymous said …

    “An atheist believes there is no God….”

    “I am simply asking you to prove yours.”

    Kinda contradictory, amirite?

  95. on 03 Apr 2009 at 4:00 am 95.bill said …

    not at all… you must have some reason why their is no god…
    so…..what is it?

  96. on 03 Apr 2009 at 4:28 am 96.Anonymous said …

    That statement is highly contradictory. You can check the forums if you like for this sort of stuff. It’s not particularly hidden. You just have to have faith when I say it’s under the links section on the side.

    You must have some reason why there is a god.
    So, what is it?

  97. on 03 Apr 2009 at 11:33 am 97.Steve said …

    I have checked the links. All that is there is assumptions, errant theology and propaganda. Nothing real of concrete.

    Anonymous, be a man and get a handle.

  98. on 03 Apr 2009 at 11:48 am 98.Hermes said …

    Bill, theists (not *a*theists) have a belief in one or more deities. Atheists are everyone else.

    I’m a non-theist/atheist because I don’t have that belief.

    So, for you and other theists — unless you believe in all deities — you are like me in that you are an atheist towards those deities you do not have a belief in. Yet, nobody asks you to disprove all those other deities.

    For me, personally (not speaking for all atheists), I tentatively take the lack of sufficient supportive evidence for one or more deities as sufficient to believe that there are none.

    As such, I’m an agnostic atheist towards the general belief in one or more deities, and (where I know enough) I’m a gnostic atheist towards specific deity claims.

    The way this breaks down for me is like this;

    For deities in general, I’m an agnostic atheist; “I do not know for certain, but I think there are no gods.”

    For specific described deties, I’m a gnostic atheist; ‘I know for certain that the described deities are not credible.’

    A Christian who had no other deities but YHWY/God/trinity/… would claim to have a single deity. As such, they would be a theist — a *mono*theist. If they believed for a fact, they would be a gnostic monotheist, and would agree with the statement “I know for certain that only one specific god exists.”

    A poll on the subject of different categories of religious belief and knowledge claims can be found here;

    Topic: What is your religious position?
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=833

    Bottom line: Till I know what you mean by your specific deity, I can neither agree it exists, or consider it possible, or disprove it exists. The deity most Christians say they worship is disprovable, but not all Christians describe YHWY/God/trinity/… in the same way. Till I know what deity you believe in and why, my hands are tied.

  99. on 03 Apr 2009 at 1:34 pm 99.Anonymous said …

    “Anonymous, be a man and get a handle.

    Maybe I’m a woman…

  100. on 03 Apr 2009 at 2:05 pm 100.Anonymous said …

    “I have checked the links. All that is there is assumptions, errant theology and propaganda. Nothing real of concrete.”

    It’s just a miracle you were able to go through the whole forum (the other ones, I guess too) in probably less than the time it took to type that statement up. What’s real oR concrete about your beliefs?

    -Lou(is)

  101. on 03 Apr 2009 at 2:38 pm 101.Hermes said …

    Bill, a new thread along the lines of your question to me has been posted on the forums;

    Topic: What do Atheists believe?
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=5489

  102. on 22 Apr 2009 at 7:08 am 102.Anonymous said …

    you are so ridiculously dumb.

    you could bring up a good few key points but you kept it completely one sided.
    you used the phrase “the christians always change subject real quick…etc.”

    so you can right now swear on your life that there has always been in every arguement or discussion youve had with a christian, a subject change directed by the christian.

    No you are fucking retarded.
    im not big on faith but i know stupid shit enough when i see it.

    grow up, and quit trying to encourage people out of theyre religion.

    while you are atheist does it bug you to have religion shoved down your throat?

    exactly, so cut the bullshit, they obviously dont want you trying to talk them out of anything.

    im done

  103. on 22 Apr 2009 at 10:17 am 103.Gern Blansten said …

    Hey look! Darrell is back!

  104. on 22 Apr 2009 at 11:56 am 104.Darrell said …

    Let the Darrelling begin anew!

  105. on 23 Apr 2009 at 8:56 am 105.anon said …

    May you all allow God to open your eyes before it’s too late!

  106. on 23 Apr 2009 at 11:58 am 106.Darrell said …

    What a stupid thing to say. I’m sold! LOL.

  107. on 07 May 2009 at 7:40 pm 107.anonymous said …

    Do you want proof that God is real then go to http://www.livingwaters.com

  108. on 07 May 2009 at 11:20 pm 108.Fincayra said …

    I watched this video “why wont God heal amputees” on youtube and it was connected to this website. Now you claim to have been a Christian but I dont know what religion you were following if you believe that christians eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood or half of the other ten points on the video which were completely different from the christian faith. Secondly all of these arguments are based on scientific viewpoint as well as a mindset which refuses to take responsibilty for it’s failures. It is sad that you were once a christian and then turned away but the fact of the matter is God is real and your probably just denying him because of a personal reason that “couldn’t” deal with. All things are possible with God and he does answer prayers. I’ve seen people healed before my eyes and unfortunantly for people who say that he doesn’t, they can’t really deny that fact except for saying that “I don’t believe you” or maybe, “you were conned.” Well I know I wasn’t and I don’t expect you to believe my experiences because it’s not my job to prove to you Christianty is real but to show you God in whatever way He decides to work through me. God is real and Loves you. Don’t deny that, if you truly think you used to be a christian than you know that that is true.

  109. on 07 May 2009 at 11:52 pm 109.Anonymous said …

    “Secondly all of these arguments are based on scientific viewpoint as well as a mindset which refuses to take responsibilty for it’s failures.”

    This is borderline retarded. Have you ever heard of the scientific method? And on that note, christianity doesn’t take responsibilities for its failures (and there are a whole, damn lot of them.)

    As for seeing god heal people, were any of them amputees?

    The rest is just special pleading, and “You weren’t a TrueChristian, unlike me.”

  110. on 07 May 2009 at 11:55 pm 110.Syn said …

    Christians try to define “sin” as falling short of the god’s will. Yet they truly cannot tell you every bit of god’s will. Thus, it can be greatly simplified in definition by realizing that “sin” is anything that is purely selfish in motive.

    Well, accepting Jesus is purely selfish. They aren’t doing it for Jesus because being omnipotent, he really doesn’t need them. They aren’t doing it for anyone bit themselves, to save themselves from the suffering we nonbelievers face. In fact, we are the selfless ones in reality. We have this great eternity ahead of us, and we say “no”.

    So when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, nonbelievers are the saints and Christians are the sinners.

  111. on 08 May 2009 at 10:12 am 111.Rostam said …

    Thats like saying I know there is a way of this sinking ship but I will not take it because I am more noble. Thats not noble, that is delusion.

    Nonbelievers are not saints, they are sinners just like the Christians. The only difference is Jesus.

  112. on 08 May 2009 at 1:05 pm 112.Syn said …

    And it’s even worse than is describee: Not only are these Christian folks trying to save themselves; they’re doing it by allowing someone to die in their place. Disgusting.

  113. on 08 May 2009 at 1:07 pm 113.Syn said …

    Also, I would rather Christians keep the story to themselves. For if I know about Christ and can’t accept him I will go to hell. But if I never heard of Christ I cannot be penalised and will go to heaven by default. Isn’t that right?

  114. on 08 May 2009 at 3:27 pm 114.Rostam said …

    Better read a Bible Syn. You are WAY off. Try Romans 1. I never realized accepting a gift was disgusting. I never asked Jesus to die for me, He did it and offered it as a gift. Its called love. If you know the truth and you reject it, no one is allowing you to go to hell you are choosing the path.

  115. on 08 May 2009 at 5:47 pm 115.GotMooo said …

    What is it with Yahweh and animal/human sacrifices? At some point, sacrificing goats and other livestock were no longer enough, so he decided to sacrifice himself. These stories really do reflect on the culture of the time.

    Instead of just forgiving people for their sins, we have to make a big show out of it. Apparently our ancestors believed we couldn’t forgive someone without someone else suffering as a result. Weird rationalizations. Truly not all loving or merciful either.

  116. on 11 May 2009 at 7:59 pm 116.Bella said …

    You’re awesome, Nick. I absolutely agree 100%. For all you atheists out there, may God have mercy on your souls. See you later….I’m on my way to church:)

  117. on 19 Jul 2009 at 12:47 am 117.Nicci said …

    Once your born again you cant be unsaved regardless if you choose to be atheist or not. And their is a true story of a person who lost their finger and he believed so much that it would grow back his finger would grow back and guess what? It did. Finger nail and all. But again you cant be unsaved no matter how much you wish it to be so. So in your opinion your screwed. In my opinion im glad your saved.

  118. on 19 Jul 2009 at 3:35 pm 118.Jack's Smirking Revenge said …

    Hey, just blaspheme “the lord” and you will be damned! (It’s UNFORGIVEABLE, you know.) Easy fixes for everybody! [Can't reject jesus juice after being saved? Nice to know you make up your own gospel.]

    Uh, can you cite that finer thing? No, really, do it.

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