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Christianity Johnson on 09 Jan 2009 12:29 am

God makes legs grow longer in seconds!

Here we have an amazing letter:

Suffering

For some time now someone very close to me has been suffering from several persistent and painful illnesses that is causing them much distress. While the doctors have offered little to no explanations to what ails them they have been asking me the question “Why wont God heal me”.

My own story of coming to faith begins with receiving healing from God. Others I know have received healing for physical, psychological and spiritual issues. The niece of an elder in my church had one leg shorter that the other and it grew an inch after she received prayer. I’m not talking over time, but visibly growing.

The next sentence is also interesting:

Such talk unfortunately puts me in a camp that some people label “religious nut job” but I can only speak of my experiences and I can not attribute them to the natural.

Why would someone label you a “religious nut job”? Because you believe something that is obviously not true. You did not see a leg actually grow an inch longer before your eyes. You might believe that you did, perhaps, but what you saw was either a magic trick, an illusion, a dream, a hallucination, or simple fraud. The fact that you would label an illusion as truth, and then use it as a foundational element of your belief, is what makes you a “nut job”.

Watch this video and you can see the problem:

In this video you have seen a woman pulled in half. You have seen it with your own eyes. Here is the important question: Do you believe that a woman was actually pulled in half? No. Obviously not. You understand this to be a magic trick. But if you did believe it to be true, and if you held to your belief with conviction, you would be labeled a “nut job”. Every rational person knows that this video contains an illusion rather than truth.

How could the author move out of the ranks of delusional “nut jobs” and into the ranks of rational human beings? By simply looking at the evidence. God does not heal anyone. There is no scientific evidence indicating that any supernatural process is at work in our universe, in any form. For confirmation, simply note the fact that God never heals amputees. Ever.

Once you base your world view on reality rather than fantasy, you will find that your world view has no room for religion. You will no longer be a “religious nut job”.

17 Responses to “God makes legs grow longer in seconds!”

  1. on 09 Jan 2009 at 6:06 pm 1.Gern Blansten said …

    Only problem is, they WANT to be religious nut-jobs.

  2. on 10 Jan 2009 at 5:39 pm 2.convivator said …

    It is possible. The pelvic bones can be missaligned, so that one leg appears to be up to 3 inches shorter, or longer, that depends on how you see it. When this blockade is released, the legs are equally long again.

  3. on 10 Jan 2009 at 10:12 pm 3.Anonymous said …

    What a bunch of losers you are. Let people believe what they want. Get an f’in life.

  4. on 10 Jan 2009 at 10:22 pm 4.Hermes said …

    Anonymous: “What a bunch of losers you are. Let people believe what they want. Get an f’in life.”

    If the same courtesy would be returned by the religious, then I’d agree.

    Yet, as you may have noticed, religious people do quite a bit of damage to society. In fact, less religious societies tend to flourish more than highly religious ones. See for yourself;

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=2076

  5. on 11 Jan 2009 at 9:49 pm 5.Steven said …

    Hi there,

    Thanks for picking up my blog post, in the spirit of dialogue I want to make a brief response.

    First, you are correct, I did not see the person healed personally but I have no reason to doubt the account which was first hand. The person was certainly not faking her leg length for 30 odd years before she received healing and was praying for most of her adult life for that healing.

    Secondly, you very conveniently skipped over the fact of my first hand account of healing. It was not a sham perpetuated by a hoax artist, nor was it some euphoria and emotional manipulation (I have seen that and it is quite damaging to a person). No, I experienced instant healing from alcohol abuse and the damage it caused to my organs.

    I haven’t read anymore of your blog besides this post as it relates to me but I will answer your question. Why wont God heal amputees? Why should he? That’s not me being capricious but the same question people have been asking for thousands of years. It’s even biblical.

    The book of Job which I am sure you have read is about a guy afflicted and who runs the gamut of questions from “Is it my fault? What did I do?” to “Is God just tormenting me for fun?”

    The lesson from that story, and the telling one for me is God’s response. “Who are you?”

    As a Christian I take it on a matter of trust that God does indeed have a plan and purpose for suffering and is objective to see that it is not wasted or for nothing even if we never figure out what it was used for.

    In my experience (as I posted on my blog), suffering leads us to surrender and to growth.

    > I do not believe for a minute that God wants us to be suffering and that it is his will for us to suffer but I can say that those times he allowed me to stay in the pain of my circumstance, I grew.

    > This does not mean that we should cease praying for healing of the sick and otherwise afflicted but we should also be mindful that God often uses our circumstances to draw us closer to him. I don’t believe that makes him capricious, I think that he knows best.

    What can you learn from times of suffering?

  6. on 11 Jan 2009 at 11:44 pm 6.Anonymous said …

    The problem with anecdotes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqerbz8KDc

  7. on 12 Jan 2009 at 1:08 am 7.Gern Blansten said …

    Hey Steven, do you believe in Zeus? This is a serious question. If you don’t believe in him, why not?

    Do you believe in Apollo?

    Also, why aren’t you a Muslim?

  8. on 12 Jan 2009 at 2:46 am 8.Hermes said …

    Gern, Zeus? Of course Steven knows Zeus is a fact! Z is in the one true pantheon!

    Last Tuesday, me and Z did some asteroid bowling. Ah! Nothing so violent — yet strangely so calming!

    Anyone who didn’t acknowledge the true gods of the Greek Pantheon is obviously just CrAZeEeEEe! :-}

  9. on 01 Feb 2009 at 7:43 pm 9.Sue said …

    After reading some of this stuff I think the only answer is we just didn’t get here by chance. If this world isn’t created than we wouldn’t be here very long if at all. There are a lot of reasons different people want to believe and you can believe in anything because today anything goes. Do you think people who believe in a God would waste their time learning about him if they thought he wasn’t real. Think about it. It really doesn’t matter if you don’t believe in Jesus because He is coming back and then everyone will know the real truth rather they want to or not. Heaven and Hell are as real as we are no matter what you or anyone says. You don’t need to be a science freak to understand this. I would rather stake my life on God than on some nut who thinks we just came from nowhere into existence and this earth is just hanging on something by itself. Nonsense.

  10. on 01 Feb 2009 at 8:46 pm 10.Hermes said …

    Sue, who says we ‘got here by chance’ or ‘came from nowhere’?

    I ask that question of many Christians, and the best answer I get is “Well, people do” or they say some general group of people think that. Meanwhile, they can’t give me a single person’s name that thinks that we ‘got here by chance’ or ‘came from nowhere’.

    So, please, give me a clue. Provide a name. From that we can start a conversation.

    —————–

    Additionally, 2 out of 3 people on the planet aren’t Christians. See for yourself;

    http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

    To address your comment, do you think that most people on the planet would not spend time on your deity if they really thought it was real? Yet, most people spend time worshiping other deities that you likely do not think are real. Correct?

    As for any after life existence, I can say with total confidence that there are no souls and thus no way to ‘go’ to any after life.

    I am on the forums if you want to continue this discussion. The forums are located here; http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php

  11. on 02 Feb 2009 at 2:51 am 11.Gern Blansten said …

    Sue, you should ask yourself if you believe in Zeus. If not, why not? There was a time when Zeus was as worshipped at Jesus. Zeus and thousands of other “gods” have been tossed on the scrap heap. You probably think belief in Zeus is ridiculous–and you’re right. Gods are imaginary. That includes Zeus, Mordak, Ba’al, Ra, Wotan, Jesus, and any other god you can name. Give yourself the freedom to think rationally and logically. There are no gods. Your belief is something your parents or your culture forced upon you. Enjoy life now. Have the strength to admit that there is no afterlife. I’m sure the idea of heaven sounds comforting, but face reality and deal with the evidence. Good luck with your life. I hope you can begin to use reason rather than blind faith.

  12. on 08 Feb 2009 at 3:50 am 12.Jimmie said …

    Hello Steven,

    I don’t feel that God, Yahwehy, Elohim, Allah or whatever the world’s language has come up with, really plays favorites by answering prayers for some while not answering prayers of others. Prayer seems to be often times to be misused or an illusion, where people ask God to do something. If the person does get healed or an instance happens where the prayer seems to have come true, then God has performed a miraculous miracle, but if not, then it was God’s will to prove a point or to send a message.
    In my opinion, prayer or pondering with your conscience should be used to get inspiration or a logical solution to overcome a problem or issue that you are encountering in your life. The ultimate solution relies in summoning the determination in one’s self to rise above the dilemma, in which God may play a part in, but does not physically alter the circumstance.
    Furthermore, it seems like it is certain religions and people who have taken advantage of the prayer and healing concept, who then take advantage of those who want to believe in something that cannot really be explained. It turns out that most believe out of hope and fear. The hope is that in the end, they will go to heaven where all things will be perfect, and the fear is that if they do not conform to the religion, then they will go to hell for eternal suffering.
    To conclude, people will believe what they choose, and power of prayer should not be under estimated, but I feel we should realize that it is ourselves that truly determines the answers to those prayers and to the destination of our life.

  13. on 08 Feb 2009 at 10:47 am 13.Hermes said …

    Jimmie, are you a Christian, or adapting your beliefs to partially reality where prayers aren’t shown to work? Because, what you say is not what the Bible says.

    If you are adapting your beliefs, why bother with prayer or the Bible at all?

    Why not skip the difference — dump begging the invisible — and switch to mental training such as meditation or a martial art that has been shown to be effective?

  14. on 08 Feb 2009 at 9:49 pm 14.Jimmie said …

    Hey Hermes,

    Since I was raised in middle America by my primarily Christian family (father is was pastor), I feel that a lot of my beliefs do have some Christian fundamentals, but I do not consider myself a Christian since I do not feel that the only path to enlightenment is faith in the Christian religion and Jesus Christ, nor do I feel compelled to spread the faith that I was indoctrinated with while growing up.

    Since I would be considered “adapting my beliefs”, I bother with prayer and meditation because I do believe in something greater than myself (ourselves) and I cannot explain why my conscience (or soul) seems to have an embedded desire to seek answers for why I am here and what I should be doing. While I do enjoy reading the Bible and other worldly books of faith because they are intelligent and interesting books, I do not find them to be the cornerstone of my beliefs, in which I then do not feel that I need to synchronize my beliefs with a certain religion.

    As far as “dump begging the invisible” goes, I try not to “beg” when in prayer or mediation with my conscience, but rather seek answers that a can then be applied to actions. I do pray or think about others, but my expectations do not hinge in hope that “God” will intervene and fix the problem or make things better.
    As far as “God” actually answering prayers or healing people, I feel that if a person is healed (I.E. an alcoholic) or a prayer does come true, then “God” did not physically have role in this. But rather there is a logical explanation, such as the person (alcoholic) had an dramatic experience or realization that they applied into actions, in which that person then was convinced that they were healed by “God”.

  15. on 08 Feb 2009 at 11:56 pm 15.Hermes said …

    Jimmie: “I bother with prayer and meditation”

    That’s unusual as well. Most people who do one, don’t tend to do the other.

    As for the ‘greater than yourself’ part, well there are plenty of things and beings that are greater than me in one respect or another. General humility and reality shows us that and only a maniacal narcissist would think otherwise. At best, we can aspire as individuals to be at the top of a very small niche and then almost always only for a limited time.

    Yet, when I meditate, I’m not seeking something other than myself. If anything, I’m looking to loose the self and if I paradoxically gain some new insight into who I am in the process that’s a win but not a goal. The idea of a goal in meditating seems to be self-defeating; like hurrying up to calm down.

    Because of that, I find your comment about ‘greater than yourself’ linked to meditation to be alien, to be bizarre. It’s as if you added in meditation because I did not because you actually practice it yourself. Maybe I misunderstand based on the way you responded and this is not what you meant?

    As for the rest, if you have some basic psychology then we probably have similar insights into why people think as they do. If not, I’m currently caught up on the Brain Science Podcast with Ginger Campbell and can highly recommend it. (Link omitted to avoid the blog software from automatically throwing this message to moderation.)

  16. on 09 Feb 2009 at 12:47 am 16.Jimmie said …

    Hermes, you are right, and what I said was not correct. There are many forms of meditation and I am sure that some of the things I do, fall under that category. Ultimately, I cannot say that I actually pray, since my hopes (wishes, prayers, whatever) are not an appeal to “God”, but rather expectations that my mind comes up with, which I do not believe are controlled by a higher source. So after reading what I wrote previously, I can see that it was bizarre (I am bad about taking things out of context sometimes).
    I do not have any psychology behind much that I say, since I can only try to render my own thoughts into words, and would generally not seek to convince someone else that I am right or that they are wrong (unless they are obviously delusional). I just enjoy reading and contributing to these types of blogs, so that “A” I can try to learn something, and “B”, I think people have interesting views when it comes to these topics and I am truly fascinated by the scope of how our minds vary.

  17. on 09 Feb 2009 at 4:23 am 17.Hermes said …

    There is quite a bit out there to learn;

    “The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt” –B.R.

    Search on the Dunning-Kruger effect and read the paper. It starts out humorous, and (for me) ended up quite disturbing.

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