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Christianity Johnson on 05 Dec 2008 01:35 am

Rick Warren, “follower of Jesus”, advocates war with Iran

In this video, Rick Warren, “follower of Jesus”, advocates war with Iran while talking with Sean Hannity. According to Warren, the Bible demands that we go to war with Iran:

Transcript:

HANNITY: Am I advocating something dark, evil or something righteous [by saying we should kill Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad]?

WARREN: Well, actually, the Bible says that evil cannot be negotiated with. It has to just be stopped. And I believe…

HANNITY: By force?

WARREN: Well, if necessary. In fact, that is the legitimate role of government. The Bible says that God puts government on earth to punish evildoers. Not good-doers. Evildoers.

This article has a great point to make about Warren:

Rick Warren: Stopping Evil ‘Is The Legitimate Role Of Government’»

if this were a conversation between an Iranian TV host and an ayatollah in which they discussed scriptural justifications for “taking out” high ranking members of the U.S. government, you’d probably see Sean Hannity running the clip on his show — while slowly shaking his head in pious disapproval — as evidence of what crazy extremists those Iranians are. As it is, they’ll probably be running this on Iranian TV as evidence of what crazy extremists those Americans are.

Jesus never says to go to war with evil-doers. Jesus says to love your enemy. He says it over and over again:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” -Matthew 5:43-44

Did Rick Warren miss the memo?

If you are a Christian who is starting to be embarrassed by this kind of hypocrisy, this book can show you the way out:

- Whywontgodhealamputees.com

28 Responses to “Rick Warren, “follower of Jesus”, advocates war with Iran”

  1. on 05 Dec 2008 at 2:02 pm 1.Hermes said …

    This is what I mean by Christians doing evil in the name of Christianity … and other Christians supporting them.

    Get a grip folks … stop destroying the friggen planet!

  2. on 05 Dec 2008 at 2:04 pm 2.Hermes said …

    Christians can’t even follow their own ill-considered moral code — and they call non-Christians relativists!

  3. on 05 Dec 2008 at 6:57 pm 3.anonymous said …

    Why does this always happen? Warren for awhile seemed like a nice guy. Then he starts advocating war and murder. Just like Robertson and Dobson. What is it about Christianity that drives people in this direction?

    And how can Warren ignore Jesus stance on “the enemy”? LOVE YOUR ENEMY. What is so hard about that?

  4. on 09 Dec 2008 at 6:30 pm 4.Jack said …

    Why is it always a attack on christians ? what about Muslims ? where is your nerve . I guess you don’t have the guts to insult islam .

  5. on 09 Dec 2008 at 6:56 pm 5.Jonathon said …

    Rick Warren is no Christian, not at least based on my reading of Jesus’ teachings. Rick Warren is a THEOCRAT, who seeks to use the power of religion to exert control over other people’s lives.

    Warren and others on the right have a very selective understanding of scripture. They can pull out a verse to justify almost anything they want, and given how Biblically illiterate most churchgoers are, very seldom are these statements questioned.

    I would really love it if Christians really tried to act and live in the way that Jesus taught them to, but for over 2,000 years they have failed to do so.

    Oh, and Jack @ #4… that is a pretty tired question. The answer is simple: the majority religion in this country is Christianity. Islam, Buddhism, etc. are not part of the daily lives of the majority of Americans. Even those Americans who are not religious and don’t go to church have absorbed culturally some of the beliefs of Christianity. Since that is the “devil” that most of us know already, it is the most appropriate target for this blog.

    Trust me… this question comes up no matter what religion is in question. Those who criticize Islam are asked why they don’t also criticize Christianity. Those who criticize Hinduism are asked why they don’t criticize Islam.

    No religion is above honest criticism.

  6. on 09 Dec 2008 at 7:35 pm 6.Hermes said …

    Jack, look here;

    http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

  7. on 09 Dec 2008 at 7:45 pm 7.Hermes said …

    I’d be interested in what Christians are doing about other Christians that act negatively but at the same time in the name of Christianity.

    Unfortunately, not enough Christians are standing up and saying “Enough!” — withdrawing their support (both financial and moral) let alone acting as aggressively in resistance to those bad actors as those who are the agents of those bad acts.

  8. on 10 Dec 2008 at 6:52 pm 8.Anonymous said …

    What the heck is up with you? what is more realistic? the big bang or God? what do you think huh? we are people too and we have a say in uor life so dont go telling us our religion is fake yours is.

  9. on 10 Dec 2008 at 9:44 pm 9.Hermes said …

    Anonymous, want to put those words in a discussion. You and me. In the forums. What say you?

  10. on 10 Dec 2008 at 9:51 pm 10.GotMooo said …

    Your religion isn’t fake… Your God is. I believe your religion exists. Just because your religion has a huge toll on the world doesn’t validate that the core of it (Your God) exists.

    I don’t believe in the big bang entirely myself. I Don’t Know… I think this is a much more reasonable position than claiming something without proof. My personal guess is that something has always existed, therefore there is eternity. To believe that some God did it without critical thinking is just naive, IMO.

    I see the amount of control religions have over people, and I think this is a good tool for the ruling class to use to overpower people and to control their lives.

    I was a Christian for many years and seen the bigotry and nonsense and did nothing… I sure hope that you Christians out there don’t do what I did, nothing..

  11. on 10 Dec 2008 at 10:15 pm 11.Anonymous said …

    And for all those that critisize us of being hypocrites: If you actually studied our religion, part of being a Christian is admitting that we do bad things! Our religion isn’t even bad! We’re asking people not be perfect, no one can be perfect, no, instead we ask people to try not to do these bad things, if your tempted to steal something, don’t, try to be nice to other people, even the people you don’t like. Isn’t that a good thing?

  12. on 10 Dec 2008 at 10:22 pm 12.Anonymous said …

    And yes to some people, some ‘Christians’ we should put a stop to. Thats why everyday at my church at least, we stretch abou how we go about this peacefully. People who go about it the wrong way are embarassing us. And that guy Rick Warren, hes wrong. The Bible doesn’t say anything about having to forcibly destroy evil. In fact it tells us to turn these people from bad things!

  13. on 10 Dec 2008 at 11:02 pm 13.the loved one said …

    anon,

    I am a big bang agnostic and an atheist in relation to the idea of God. The big bang is not exactly a belief system or a religion. One does not need to ‘believe’ in the big bang in order to disbelieve in God. why are you so threatened that others question the validity of your faith? if you could show any shred of reasonable evidence that religious beliefs are not based in fantasy and therefore should be respected, then this tiny group of people who care about honesty of information would shut up forever. until then, we will do our part to educate as many people we can about the major problems with religion.

  14. on 10 Dec 2008 at 11:06 pm 14.Hermes said …

    Anonymous, I have some self restraint and can call my peers on what they do wrong. Grow up and start following your book. Deal with the bad elements in your religion or we will deal with your religion. It’s that simple.

  15. on 10 Dec 2008 at 11:07 pm 15.Hermes said …

    PS. I don’t care what’s in your religious book. I care what you do or fail to do as human beings.

  16. on 10 Dec 2008 at 11:13 pm 16.the loved one said …

    >”And yes to some people, some ‘Christians’ we should put a stop to.”

    What you don’t seem to grasp is that there are thousands and thousands of religions that have splintered up under the name “Christianity” and not a single one of them can claim to be the authority on what that means (although the vast majority try).
    the question then, is which ‘christians’ should be stopped, and why? are some right and some wrong? what laws govern such? who should make these decisions.
    apparently you know exactly what it’s like to be an atheist, because you already *are* an atheist in regard to Mr. Warren. and presumably hinduism and islam, pantheism, etc…

    >”The Bible doesn’t say anything about having to forcibly destroy evil.”

    You clearly haven’t read the Old Testament, then!

  17. on 11 Dec 2008 at 12:27 am 17.Anonymous said …

    You know what? Apperentley you are so addited to the idea of proving the Bible wrong, you actually read the Bible =O. Hermes, in case you didn’t read my post befoe typing, I said quote: Part of being a Christian is admitting that you do bad things!
    And I’m not saying that the Old Testament isn’t correct, but most of the stuff in there isn’t applied to life now. For example since I red the O.T, God wouldn’t approve of us now, in the present, stoning our children because they didn’t listen. AND, yes the Bible sometimes tells us to completly destroy evil, but it doesn’t stretch the idea. It encourages us to talk them out of it, and only if its really needed, to destroy.
    P.S Hermes its called the Bible, not the religion book

  18. on 11 Dec 2008 at 12:37 am 18.Anonymous said …

    Loved one, you say how can I prove that God exists?
    Well I can’t, not by scientific ways anyway, but it makes sense to me, and to about another billion people. And being a believer in the ‘Big Bang’, surely you could tell us the chances of two atoms going fast enough, no not fast, lightspeed fast, and then just by chance, colliding at the same speed that they were traveling, and making everything? Got a window close by? Look outside, could two atoms, make everything? Think about it, the chances of a setient being making it all is higher.

  19. on 11 Dec 2008 at 1:22 am 19.Anonymous said …

    Half the world believes in Christianity, your group makes less than half a quarter, as the rest believe in Islam, Hinduism, or are Buhddists

  20. on 11 Dec 2008 at 2:56 am 20.Hermes said …

    Anonymous, I thought I was clear. Yep, I was;

    “I don’t care what’s in your religious book. I care what you do or fail to do as human beings.”

    As for ‘proving the Bible wrong’, that’s not my intent. It’s your book. If you have support *for* it, bring it on, otherwise I take it as valid as any other ancient book with supernatural aspects such as the precursor books and stories it came from such as the Egyptian book of the dead and Gilgamesh, as well as other influences and stories from Cananite, Greek, Roman, and Babylonian cultures.

  21. on 11 Dec 2008 at 3:00 am 21.Hermes said …

    Anonymous: “Half the world believes in Christianity, your group makes less than half a quarter, as the rest believe in Islam, Hinduism, or are Buhddists”

    Ahem…

    http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

    So, are your views 1/3rd right and 2/3rds wrong? What about the Christians you disagree with? Does this lower your %? Is that the way your religion works? Wow, as time goes on it looks like it is slowly becoming more wrong. Is this the direction you’d like to argue from?

  22. on 11 Dec 2008 at 3:05 am 22.the loved one said …

    anon (or “actualchristian” if you prefer…),

    if all your friends were jumping off a cliff to their death would you?
    again, just because something is popular does not make it right. the majority of early humans worshiped the sun. was that right? it sure was popular.
    right now Beyonce is #1 on the US top 40 charts. she must be the best musician then, right? If you don’t like Beyonce, then you are wrong!
    (this is precisely what your comments about the current popular god sound like to a person who has studied the history of religion – the main difference being that Beyonce is a real person.)
    when a small group of people believed that the earth was spherical were they wrong simply because the majority thought it was flat?

    nobody here is trying to prove the bible wrong. It does that all by itself (read it and see for yourself!). my goal is only to help people awaken from the delusion. I was once a believer myself and lived a life of fear and guilt because of it. I now see religion for what it is and live a fuller, more joyful life. it is my wish to help others make the transition from deluded thought to rational thought.

  23. on 11 Dec 2008 at 5:46 am 23.JAB said …

    take the red pill hahahahaa!
    :)

  24. on 11 Dec 2008 at 9:42 pm 24.Anonymous said …

    We do not have deluded minds, just because you have turned away from it doesn’t mean every christian has, most christians feel saved, joyful, happy! I had a friend at church, who the first day i met him, stole everything from cards, candy, even sports equipement maybe, he knew it was wrong, but didn’t think that it was a big deal, but after a few days at my church, he started turn away from it, the transformation didn’t happen instantly, but he did never the less. Looking back to when my family, like most chinese families, worshipped our dead ancestors and made sacrifices, I feel so lucky that I was young and can’t remember that we did that, because I don’t know how I would have survived without The Lord, thinking that I would just grow, get a job, have a relationship hopefully, and then just die. Us christians, I admit, have done more than terrible things, but if you also looked at the good things we have done, it will out number the bad things. Mother Teresa for example, just gave and gave and gave, of course partly because she was a good person, but also I’m guessing because being a catholic, felt a need to give and give and give. Now I’m not saying that Christians give the most, I have met quite a few non-religous people and felt their kindness. Hermes, being a Christian means that we do make mistakes! It doesn’t make any of us better than you, in fact I’m pretty sure there are more than a handful of atheists that are more caring than my whole church, but it also means trying our best to make the world a better place. Don’t say that we’re deluded just because it didn’t work out for you, most Christians have felt saved, happy, joyful. I still feel guilty myself, quite a bit actually, for the things I have done, the people I may have hurt. But I have learned to apologize, move on, and start anew.

  25. on 12 Dec 2008 at 1:04 am 25.Hermes said …

    Anonymous, once again … I don’t care about your theology or your religious books. This is not a pi$$ing match over who is a better person, though statistically that would be atheists not theists. What I care about are your actions.

    What are you doing about the bad actions done by Christians in the name of Christianity?

    If the answer is nothing, then just admit it.

    Side note: While I don’t want to claim her, Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu in her heart knew there was no Christian god. It horrified her, but she knew it. If she knew more, she might have had a better life and served others with greater compassion and not in the quest for suffering.

  26. on 12 Dec 2008 at 2:53 am 26.loved one said …

    yes, it’s true. Mother Theresa was not a true believer.

    you would have survived just fine without your lord. just as millions of of ancestor worshiping Chinese people survive. just another set of baseless beliefs.

    it’s an addiction. just as an alcoholic might not readily admit their condition, the religious mind is too invested in the delusion to come free from it.

    it’s not that it “didn’t work out” for me. rather, it’s that I learned how to think rationally and then it did.

  27. on 05 Jan 2009 at 4:55 am 27.Agnostic One said …

    The point of this article is about perspective.

    If you happen to be a Christian in the U.S. and see a Muslim extremist declaring war because “Allah” told him, you would think his religion is nuts.

    If you happen to be a Muslim in another country and see a Evangelical extremist declaring war because “God” told him, you would think his religion is nuts too.

    It’s like fighting fire with fire. This is so ridiculous. It is because of people like Warren why I doubt the existence of God. I know there are good Christians out there, but its not enough to convince me.

  28. on 05 Jan 2009 at 1:48 pm 28.Hermes said …

    Agnostic One, I’m an agnostic atheist myself and agree with what you said up to the second to last sentence.

    As for the existence or non-existence of a deity — Allah or God or any of the Hindu pantheon, … — most of the religious people don’t promote themselves as the critical evidence of the deity/deities they worship existing.

    (It is true that the Christians sing ‘they will know you’re a Christian by your love’, yet that song seems to be as far as it goes unless the person is naturally kind and caring to begin with.)

    Because of that, and that most people are good most of the time, if they wanted to tip me to the theist side of the equation, they have to deal with facts. So far, the religious texts have some useful parts, but are not flexible enough to address reality. Instead, they promote dogma and stifle knowledge. This in itself I take as a moral intelligence test; if you ignore reality in favor of dogma, you’ve failed.

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