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Christianity Admin on 20 Dec 2006 09:28 pm

Why don’t they talk about these verses in church?

With it being Christmas and all, many people who know that God is imaginary end up having to go to church. They do this in order to preserve domestic tranquility. The pressure point comes from spouses, parents or friends, and the most common tactic is, “it’s Christmas – you’d think that one day out of the year you could go to church just to make me happy!”

So you go to church, and the minister or priest pulls a verse out of the Bible and ends up expounding on that verse for 20 minutes. Normally the verse is about love or peace or forgiveness… something very family friendly.

Why don’t these ministers/priests ever pull the really juicy verses out of the Bible and focus on them? According to recent polls, more than half of American adults believe that the Bible is the word of God and is literally true. Therefore, every part of the Bible should have equal importance and equal weight. Why would an all-knowing God put something in the Bible unless he intended us to learn something from it?

In the interest of spicing up church services around the country, here are several Bible verses that could be used to create VERY interesting sermons:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 – “18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you.”

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 – “13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” 15 then the girl’s father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl’s father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver a and give them to the girl’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. 20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.”

Leviticus 21:17-24 – 17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy.’ ”

Colossians 3:22-24 – “22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.”

1 Corinthians 14:33-35 – “33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”

Deuteronomy 13:12-19 – “12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. 17 None of those condemned things shall be found in your hands, so that the LORD will turn from his fierce anger; he will show you mercy, have compassion on you, and increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your forefathers, 18 because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.”

1 Samuel 18:25-27 – “25 Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.’ ” Saul’s plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines. 26 When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king’s son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, 27 David and his men went out and killed two hundred Philistines. He brought their foreskins and presented the full number to the king so that he might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.”

Matthew 5:29-30 - “29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.”

The Bible is full of ridiculous, disgusting verses like these, and Christians believe they come straight from God’s lips. So why don’t Christians talk about these verses? Why don’t Christians apply these teachings?

It is verses like these that leave rational people dumbfounded. Why would any intelligent person have anything to do with the Bible? Why would any intelligent person “worship” a being who is so obviously absurd? To see many more verses just as ridiculous as these, please read this page: The most ridiculous, disgusting, evil Bible verses.

15 Responses to “Why don’t they talk about these verses in church?”

  1. on 20 Dec 2006 at 9:52 pm 1.Sam said …

    1 Samuel 18:25-27 – words to live by!

  2. on 21 Dec 2006 at 4:20 pm 2.Loi P said …

    “1 Samuel 18:25-27″
    Praise the Lord-ah! :P
    Seriously though, I hate it when Christians say that we take bible verses out of context; they do it all the time!
    “So you go to church, and the minister or priest pulls a verse out of the Bible and ends up expounding on that verse for 20 minutes.”
    You pretty much described the average Christian sermon.

  3. on 21 Dec 2006 at 6:13 pm 3.Lupo said …

    Most religions, both large and small use selective honesty when it comes to reading the bible or whatever instruction manual they use.

    Would most fundamentalists love a world based on a literal interpretation of the whole bible? Probably. Would they openly admit this? Probably not. So they are selective in the verses and add a little over simplification to the mix.

    Especially the active theocratic right in the political process. Problems with public schools. Solution: school prayer, corporal punishment and abstinence only education. An oversimplification for a complex set of problems. Another example: why did September 11, 2001 happen? Well, to Jerry Falwell it is because of secular humanists, atheists, agnostics, gays, lesbians and abortion. Not the problems occurring in the Middle East, bad foreign policy decisions and so on.

    Anyone can contribute typical theists’ solutions to complex problems…

  4. on 22 Dec 2006 at 5:03 am 4.a2planet said …

    Interesting, Christians posted snotty comments on other blog entries but not this one.

    Maybe because this one calls attention to things they cannot allow into their brains

  5. on 22 Dec 2006 at 11:53 pm 5.P-Dunn said …

    “Maybe because this one calls attention to things they cannot allow into their brains”

    *snort*

    No, it’s just the same old arguments I’ve been hearing for years now…You know, as if Christians weren’t aware of these Bible verses already. Haha.

    Just because I’m bored, I’ll deal with a few of these to make you happy. Maybe it will be “snotty” enough for you, I hope.

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 – The Hebrew term for “son” (ben) employed here is indefinite. It is sometimes used of children of both sexes, but most often of the male. The word “son” here does not give any indication of age. It can refer to a child or to an adult son. Age must be determined from the context. In this case, the son in view is not a child, for the sins brought forth in testimony are gluttony and drunkenness (v. 20).

    Furthermore, the actions of this son are severe. This is not the case of a child who has failed to do his chores, spoke back to his parents, or even committed a serious act of disobedience, but of a son of dissolute character who is in full rebellion to authority. The text says that the son is “stubborn” and “rebellious.” Both of these descriptive terms are active participles, thus indicating habitual action. The son does not display a stubborn streak now and then, or act rebelliously from time to time, but is continuously stubborn and rebellious. The word “stubborn” refers to one who is obstinate in his resistance to authority. This son is living a life without restraint, and is a serious danger to his family and to his community.

    One must ignore much to believe this verse condones murdering little Johnny for not cleaning his room.

    Deuteronomy 22:13-21 and the next one – Brain’s reason for quoting this is apparently his lack of education on the matter of ritual purity. His complaint amounts to little more than a bigot temper-tantrum, for he has no clue that such a regulation was necessary to keep the society from going into chaos and ensuing the survival of those involved…But who researches the ANE before they mouth off anyway?

    Colossians 3:22-24 – I truly don’t understand why Brain keeps flaunting this verse around as if it gives you a license to make people slaves…Never mind his complete lack of education on slavery in the Ancient Near East. This is not any sort of command to condone slavery at all.

    1 Corinthians 14:33-35 – Which is due to Marshall’s lack of exegetical training. Brain obviously wouldn’t be aware that “learning in silence” is actually a GOOD thing. Or that Paul is actually quoting an opinion of the Corinthian leaders and then showing his disapproval. Why wouldn’t he know that? Because Brain makes a living out of taking things out of context. You know, that whole “Did the word of God originate with you?” part, plus the particle of text that wasn’t translated into the NIV that meant, “WHAT?!” right after this verse he cites…Since this is news to most likely all of Brain’s groupies such as yourselves, see here: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/fem09.html.

    I’m done now.

  6. on 23 Dec 2006 at 12:00 am 6.cappa said …

    The bible and beliefs associated with the religion are set in the minds of far too many people for a great number of generations. And as such, brining these people back to reality by pointing out “fallacies” even within the most holy of their books is, at times an unattainable feat.

    For that very reason, passages such as the ones you pointed out are very likely to be shrugged off, much like the domain name of this site.

    - cappA

  7. on 23 Dec 2006 at 4:00 am 7.a2planet said …

    cappa,

    I understand your cynicism but it defeatist. Some people will hate and ignore us, and rationalize their delusion, and some people will view this site with an open mind.

    As greater numbers of people recover from religious delusion, the stalwarts will have a better chance of recovering someday too.

  8. on 26 Dec 2006 at 8:32 pm 8.theAntibush said …

    P-Dunn, let me help you out.

    1. Deuteronomy 21:18-21. You’ve missed the point. The age of the child is irrelevant. We’re still looking at a bible verse that instructs a parent when it’s alright to murder their own child. It does not matter if you’re child is 5, 15, or 25. When is it alright to stone another human being to death?

    2. Deuteronomy 21:13-21. Again, you’re missing the point. The question posed is: If god commands us not to kill, why does he command us to kill under certain circumstances? I’m disturbed by your assertion that murder is necessary to keep the population in check. Hitler and Stalin felt the same way. Be careful.

    3. Colossians 3:22-24. Are you reading the same bible as the rest of us? If so, please educate us on the matter of slavery in the near east. Again, you continue to interpret these verses in the light that best suits you. Read it literally. It literally states that slaves are to obey their masters as if working for god. In other words: not only is god okay with slavery, he is commanding slaves to work even harder. What planet are you from?

    4. 1st Corinthians 14:33-35. Yeah, learning in silence can be a really good thing…if you’re not at all into freedom and equality. This is a dicating that women are not to speak freely, nor can they hold a position of authority because they are inferior to men.

    Intelligence, apply DIRECTLY to the forehead
    Intelligence, apply DIRECTLY to the forehead….

  9. on 29 Dec 2006 at 1:17 am 9.Matthew Starrs said …

    Antibush – you ought to read P-Dunn’s again. You seem to be lacking in your comprehensions skills. Either that or you are actively putting spin on your answer by wilful obfuscation.

    I thought you americans were in to capital punishment?

    On the matter of God saying don’t kill and then kill, I guess he was targeting people with a higher IQ, that could tell the difference between murdering and killing. There are a plethora of scenarios where killing is justified and a multitude where it is not. If you need to argue semantics do you really have a point to make?

  10. on 01 Jan 2007 at 12:50 am 10.Loi P said …

    Quote: On the matter of God saying don’t kill and then kill, I guess he was targeting people with a higher IQ, that could tell the difference between murdering and killing.

    mur·der /ˈmɜrdər/ –noun 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

    kill /kɪl/ –verb (used with object) 1. to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay.
    (both from http://www.dictionary.com)

    As you can see from reading the above two definitions murder and killing are pretty much the same thing. Murder is simply a more specific definition.

  11. on 01 Jan 2007 at 3:21 am 11.Mattstarrs said …

    Look if your really want to make a case you need to find the actual words used in the bible and get the definition of those words. Here’s a clue – you will need a Hebrew dictionary.

    On your response – I am an Aussie, so your definition is a bit too egocentric. However, even in your U.S. definition the distinctions are apparant. Thanks for the back up!

  12. on 04 Jan 2007 at 7:55 am 12.proverbs327 said …

    The scripture from Colossians doesn’t even come close to condoning slavery. It speaks to Christain character no matter how adverse the situation. Paul continually writes as to the equality of people, in all having sinned, and as for believers, in all having the same Lord. Although subtle, Pauls suggests, through many epistles, that by virtue of having the same Lord, the master should begin to see the contrary nature of God’s love for all as compared with slavery. Since Jesus came to serve, not be served, it should begin to way on the masters spirit.

    Extra biblical evidence, (from Roman, non-Christian observation)
    witnesses to Nero’s frustration that Christians would help any destitute poor person they could. They fed, clothed, and housed people who could not repay them, people who didn’t all become Christians, people (many of them slaves) even the Roman Empoerer admitted were marganilized (putting it nicely) by Roman society. The money for this came not from the helped, but the helpers, a few of whom had been former wealthy slave owners (along with people of all societal positions) who now sold out to the idea of sacrificing for community.

    Yes the other scriptures are hard to deal with, especially looking back at a far gone culture, written to Israelites (the Apostles put only 3 OT constraints on Gentiles, and mostly to help them get along with Jewish believers; OT law is to be fulfilled in the New Covenant by the graceful expression of Jesus within, life by the Spirit in which there is no law), and based on OT law and not NT grace; their is not a person in leadership in my church who is afraid to preach on these. Maybe you have experienced churches who don’t go there, but I have not seen this fear from any preacher I know personally.

    Remeber there is a danger in picking apart scriptures without looking at the whole. Both exegetical work and systematic theology must be employed with balance to understand the doctrine that appears. You must look at the trees and you must look at the forest. I could easliy misrepresent your views by picking out lines that embolden my cause, but in maturity I must take you at your whole, and not disect you into fragments.

    By the way, the scripture in Matthew is not hard to understand. If it was literal, all of disciples would have been without arms and eyes, for the Bible declares “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” It also goes on to offer us all hope (which betrays your assault as you skip the verses even the most unbelieving agree about; such as treating others the way you want to be treated). Anyway, James doesn’t imply we try to sail with our mouths when he compares the tongue to a rudder that is small but steers the whole ship. Yet Paul most likely literally wants his cloak when he’s imprisoned in the cold season and asks Timothy to bring it to him. When, the Bible syas that “Jesus wept,” I’m thinking it was literal. There is no concrete literal, or metaphorical stamp that can be placed on the Bible.

    If you call your friend “dog” he is still human, and if he wears size 12 shoes it dosen’t mean an 8 might fit. Life is full of different things balancing together, the unbalanced approach is what leads to lunacy, in any viewpoint. I’m gonna do my best to be aware of my blindspots, it would be cool if you did the same.

  13. on 10 Jan 2007 at 1:57 pm 13.Katie said …

    fuck you, you ignorant bitches. you dont know what your talking about. the bible DOES NOT contradict its self, it DOES NOT condone bad things, and christains DO NOT just “ignore” some parts of the bible. quote : “Interesting, Christians posted snotty comments on other blog entries but not this one.

    Maybe because this one calls attention to things they cannot allow into their brains”

    well your a dumb shit. if you actually did some research, youd learn that christain scholars have done research and had debates of every intricate detail of the bible.
    so go ahead, talk about how im not a “good” christain because i cuss, or i cut you down, OH NO. see if i give a damn. but your the ones who are too stupid to relize that your posting dumb little commments on topics you dont know shit about.

  14. on 12 Jan 2007 at 10:52 am 14.christian in florida said …

    i just wanted to say that i recently heard an excellent sermon on the life of david, and the preacher definitely used 1 samuel 18:25-27. it was at a college graduation with about 800 people in attendance. people were shocked to hear about foreskin, but hey, why wouldn’t we talk about that part of the bible if we claim to believe it’s all equally inspired and relevant?

  15. on 14 Jan 2007 at 9:57 am 15.Roopster said …

    Will have to use some of these on my Daily Bible Guide – 2007

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