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Christianity Johnson on 13 Nov 2008 02:46 am

Ted Haggard is back, and he reveals a very strange God

ABC News is reporting on the return of Ted Haggard to public life:

Exclusive: Ted Haggard Breaks His Silence

Here is what we learn about “God” from the interview.

In the interview, Haggard blames his transgressions on a sexual encounter he had with a man (one of his father’s workers) at age 7. So this is the first thing: We have the image of God sitting in heaven, watching a 7-year-old boy get raped, and doing nothing to stop it. This of course is completely normal behavior for God (note the tens of thousands of children whole will die of starvation today), but it is still disgusting.

Haggard then talks about his Christian status at the time of his transgressions:

“There I was, 50 years old, a conservative Republican, loving the word of God, an evangelical, born-again, spirit-filled, charismatic, all those things”

So: You are filled with the Holy Spirit, you are born-again in Jesus, you are reading and “loving the word of God”, you are presumably praying constantly for God’s guidance, you have a wife and children, you are the head of a giant congregation led, presumably, by God, you are surrounded by god-filled conservative Republicans… and yet somehow you still decide it would be a good idea to do Meth and have sex with a gay prostitute. If God is real, why didn’t the spirit-filling, born-againing, praying and Christian-surrounding guide your thoughts, rather than the “sin”? Why didn’t God’s “guidance” plus the fear of Hell plus the pain you would bring to yourself, your family, your career, your church and your religion plus the advice from and association with your peers overpower the sin?

It is because God actually planned for Haggard to sin! Here is how Haggard puts it:

“I believe that he [God] gives us opportunities every couple of years to communicate the gospel worldwide through secular media and we consistently blow it,” he said. “A congressman in trouble, that’s the time. A family member gets himself in horrible trouble, that’s the time. A preacher gets himself in awful trouble, that’s the time.”

Yes, God planned to use Haggard’s sin to “communicate the gospel worldwide through secular media”. But Christians are too stupid to understand God’s plan, so they “consistently blow it.”

What a very, very strange god. If he were to exist, why would anyone worship this being?

20 Responses to “Ted Haggard is back, and he reveals a very strange God”

  1. on 13 Nov 2008 at 3:19 am 1.Hermes said …

    It’s magic! Like Agnes Bojaxhiu, they can do no wrong … and belief is all that matters. Except that Agnes didn’t really believe toward the end. Think she’s in Hell or Heaven? It’s a good thing that there is no need to guess as they are imaginary.

    Except, of course, whatever Red hears from God. That’s legitimate.

  2. on 13 Nov 2008 at 10:29 am 2.The Duka horn said …

    O0h, the beauty of grace. It’s too unfortunate Johnson and all the other atheists like him do not see the beauty in this testimony.

    Amazing grace how sweet the sound, that saved a wreck like me…

    We have our weaknesses but God is always gracious enough to forgive us no matter how hard we fall. While Johnson and others see negativity, failure,despair and disaster in this preacher’s testimony, we see a story of love, grace, forgiveness and hope and that’s all that matters.

    This actually reminds me of the story of David in the Bible, known as the man after God’s own heart. He faithfully served God until one day he slept with another man’s wife and on top of that murdered her husband.

    Like Tedd Haggard, David did the unthinkable, the worst of all sins (human nature), but when he cried before God for forgiveness, God blessed him and forgave him, while humans like you ask why Jesus let a prostitute (Mary Magdalene) wash his feet because you do not understand what grace is all about. That’s why Jesus told the parable of the lost Son. Tedd Haggard (the lost son) had messed-up but he had finally returned to his father who had accepted him with open arms. God is good!!!!

  3. on 13 Nov 2008 at 10:33 am 3.The Duka horn said …

    It is not the falling that matters, it is the getting-up that matters.

  4. on 13 Nov 2008 at 1:05 pm 4.Hermes said …

    Hypocrisy is fun!

  5. on 13 Nov 2008 at 3:20 pm 5.Red O'Brien said …

    Duka, the word is “wretch,” not “wreck.” I’ve seen others make that error, so you’re not alone.

    Ironically, back when I was an atheist, I might’ve said a few things about that sort of mistake. For instance, I might’ve said that if it’s that easy to misinterpret a Christian hymn that is barely more than two hundred years old, imagine how easy it would’ve been for much larger errors to creep into a scripture that has been translated countless times over the course of thousands of years!

    Of course, I know better now, being a Christian and all. The Bible is the inerrant word of God. No question about it.

  6. on 15 Nov 2008 at 5:25 pm 6.ehutch said …

    sorry ted, but your still gay! anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

  7. on 15 Nov 2008 at 8:19 pm 7.Anonymous said …

    God gave him a chance to witness to the secular world, and he blew it.

    And?

  8. on 16 Nov 2008 at 5:24 am 8.Justin M said …

    atta boy ted, i like this particular point

    “If God is real, why didn’t the spirit-filling, born-againing, praying and Christian-surrounding guide your thoughts, rather than the “sin”? Why didn’t God’s “guidance” plus the fear of Hell plus the pain you would bring to yourself, your family, your career, your church and your religion plus the advice from and association with your peers overpower the sin”

    a huge point in here that is completely against being christian is FEAR. FEAR is not going to make you stop doing somthing, fear doesn’t come from God. He doesn’t want to scare us, he wants us to think for ourselves, and his guidance is the church, and the Bible. Pain isn’t part of being christian, God doesn’t want to see us in pain, the only pain we have we bring it on ourselves. I hope that people might be able to read stuff like this and see that there are huge factors that us as christians ignore. I am not scared of Hell, Hell is scared of what i can do as a christian. I am not going to bring any pain to my family by being christian, if i sin i hope i would ask for forgiveness from God and also from my family, it would not bring pain it would pull us together.

    Our God is a awsome God
    Justin

  9. on 16 Nov 2008 at 6:30 pm 9.VeridicusX said …

    Not all Christians are led by the Holy Spirit to have drug fueled gay romps with male prostitutes. Some Christians are led by the Lord Jesus to orgies and to swingers clubs where they have plenty of opportunity to “blow it”, (and by all accounts have done so on numerous occasions), but the Lord is gracious and recommends the use of condoms.

    I hadn’t realized that exclamations of, “Oh God!” and “Jesus, yes!”, were a mysterious means of “communicating the gospel worldwide”.

    To all of those Christians who are going to appear here to “rebuke” me, I say I rebuke *you* in Jesus’ Name and I bind you under the precious Blood of Jesus! Amen and Amen!

    Praise the Lord! Now for some tongues … Oh-so-ba-ba-ba-so-ro-ka-sa.

    This message was brought to you by The Invisible Pink Unicorn.

  10. on 17 Nov 2008 at 11:30 am 10.Mercy said …

    I’m a Christian and I’ve lied, cheated, gossiped and even done things I’m ashamed of which are too numerous to mention. But by God’s grace, I’m now forgiven and it’s all in the past now. I may still not be perfect but with God’s help, I’m working on my weaknesses as they come, thank you very much.

    Any questions?

  11. on 17 Nov 2008 at 12:14 pm 11.Gern Blansten said …

    Yeah, here’s one…

    Four thousand years ago, your ancestors probably said something like this:

    “I’m a believer in Zeus and I’ve lied, cheated, gossiped and even done things I’m ashamed of which are too numerous to mention. But by Zeus’s grace, I’m now forgiven and it’s all in the past now. I may still not be perfect but with Zeus’s help, I’m working on my weaknesses as they come, thank you very much.”

    So….how can you know they were wrong and you were right? How can you you be sure you shouldn’t be worshipping Zeus right now?

  12. on 17 Nov 2008 at 12:21 pm 12.Hermes said …

    Mercy: “I’m a Christian and I’ve lied, cheated, gossiped and even done things I’m ashamed of which are too numerous to mention. But by God’s grace, I’m now forgiven and it’s all in the past now. I may still not be perfect but with God’s help, I’m working on my weaknesses as they come, thank you very much.”

    Did you apologize and make amends to the people that you wronged? If not, you cheapen human relations and are taking the easy way out.

  13. on 18 Nov 2008 at 9:23 am 13.Mercy said …

    Gern Blansten, my point was that people expect that if you’re a Christian, then you should be perfect forgetting that we are all humans who learn from our mistakes and that nobody should mock you just because you slipped because that’s where you learn…from your mistakes. As for Zeus and my ancestors, nice try but Zeus did not die for my sins.

    Hermes,

    Some of the people I have wronged are a result of them hurting me and I did it to strike back. It takes two people to create a problem. I did what I did because of some pain and anger inside me. It’s both a matter of forgiving and being forgiven. I can give you an example of a friend who went out of her way to make my life a living hell and I had beef with her for a few years because of what she did to me. She never came back to me to say how sorry she was because obviously she wasn’t.

    I prayed and decided to forgive her anyway and forget what she did to me and send her a card saying “I’M SORRY” even though I felt she was the one who was supposed to be sorry.So it’s balanced, I forgive those who hurt me and I also expect to be forgiven. It wasn’t easy forgiving some people but I decided to put the past behind. There is no easy way out in forgiving people who have hurt you terribly and vice-versa.

    God forgives the moment you say sorry, humans hold grudges and still bring up what you did to them yesterday (understandable human nature).For some people to forgive others, sometimes it takes a miracle. I’ve seen people who found it extremely difficult to forgive their parents or whoever hurt them and they only managed to forgive those people once they became born-again and that’s why I said with God’s help, you can overcome your weakness.

  14. on 18 Nov 2008 at 11:18 am 14.Gern Blansten said …

    Mercy, trust me, atheists don’t expect Christians to be perfect. Not even close. Too much flawed thinking.

    As far as Zeus, you didn’t really give much of an answer as to why you don’t believe in him. What about the thousands of other gods that man has created over the history of time? Why don’t you believe in them?

    The people who believed in Zeus were every bit as certain of his existence as you are of Jesus’ existence. If you could go back and time and talk to them about it, they’d gladly kill you for your beliefs, much the way Christians have killed others for their beliefs over the years. It’s a silly cycle that repeats again and again. Some day, some other idiotic religion will stamp out Christianity.

  15. on 18 Nov 2008 at 12:30 pm 15.Mercy said …

    What about the thousands of other gods that man has created over the history of time?

    Like I said, non of them have claimed to have sacrificed my life for me because they love me so much. They did not come down to Earth here in the form of a human in order to relate to my pain, suffering and misery.I’m talking about Jesus.

    John says: “In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The true light that gives light to every man coming into the world.” John 1:1-9. So the Light of all men is Christ, the Light that many meditation-based religions seek.”

    But that’s not fair, you say, because all the other religions also preach love, faith and peace. Yes they do.I believe the reason why people come up with their own gods is because mankind was created to have a relationship with a greater being in the first place and that being does exist, only difference is that they look for him in the wrong ways.

    They use their own ways to try to communicate with him and forget that the only way to the father is through Jesus Christ and that’s why you find that many of them have a god figure (like Zeus) in their imagination but totally ignore Jesus. The problem is not which god should be served, people do believe in a greater being (even Muslims believe in him), even if they give him different names, the problem is which way is the right way to reach him.

    You find that people have different religious ways of doing things like meditation, being a monk, being a nun,etc but which one is the correct one? Jesus came so that he can build a bridge between us and God, which was broken because of sin.

    If you ignore Jesus and think you can reach God by yourself,you are just practicing a mere religious act which will see no results.The problem is that other religions ignore the cross because they have not understood it’s power, that’s the problem. The Bible says Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life, no man comes to the father but through him. Sure they (all religions) believe there in a god in some way or the other, but which one is the way to get to him? Can you guess?

  16. on 18 Nov 2008 at 12:53 pm 16.Hermes said …

    Mercy: “Like I said, non of them have claimed to have sacrificed my life for me because they love me so much.”

    Zeus commands, and loves as He will. He is a god not a toadying sycophant. That you deny Him only makes him annoyed. It is best not to taunt the true gods!

  17. on 18 Nov 2008 at 1:41 pm 17.Gern Blansten said …

    Mercy, congratulations, you’ve got the spiel down cold.

    However….

    Picture an early religion that had “flaws.” It wasn’t the “correct” religion. So guess what happens? Someone starts a new religion and “fixes” those flaws. If there is scripture, they rewrite it until it becomes more immune to criticism and logical attack.

    Repeat the cycle over and over until—voila—you end up with Christianity.

    No need to thank me for clearing things up.

  18. on 18 Nov 2008 at 1:51 pm 18.Gern Blansten said …

    Here’s an example of what I’m talking about…

    Imagine the very first “god” that any person ever came up with. Let’s call that god Ernie. On the very first day of this religion, some skeptic said, “Yeah, really, there’s a god named Ernie? Prove it.”

    The guy who invented Ernie thought, “Oops, nobody’s going to believe me, because I can’t prove it.”

    So, in the second version of The Book of Ernie, the writer put something in there about faith. Ernie exists, but you can’t see him. You have to have faith.

    That might’ve been enough to convince some people, but others said, “Who cares? Why should I worship Ernie?”

    So then the guy who created Ernie tweaked the religion a bit more. He said, “Ernie exists, there is no hard evidence, you have to have faith…and if you don’t believe, well, sorry, but we’re going to have to kill you.”

    Later, Hell was added, in the New Testament of Ernie. “Believe in Ernie or you will be damned for all eternity.”

    But, of course, Ernie loves you. He’s a swell guy.

  19. on 19 Nov 2008 at 9:35 pm 19.the un said …

    yep.

    it’s pretty easy to believe in something if you don’t ask questions.

    believers have invested so much of their lives in utter ridiculousness and even when they are old enough to know better, it’s too late. (it’s kind of like the current financial meltdown. investing far too much in false /errant ideas and then insisting that it will somehow work if we just have faith in it, or sink more money into it (to pay for the wall street gods’ bonuses).

    it’s like the victims of bank scams. even when they are nearly certain that they are being scammed, they keep giving their scammer money because they just can’t bring themselves to confront the facts.
    that’s the power of faith!

  20. on 19 Nov 2008 at 10:33 pm 20.Hermes said …

    Exactly. Well said un.

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