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Christianity &Islam Thomas on 06 Jul 2013 12:04 am

The insanity of Christianity: Prayer edition

This article starts with the following inspirational paragraph:

Have you ever known someone who really trusts God? When I was an atheist, I had a good friend who prayed often. She would tell me every week about something she was trusting God to take care of. And every week I would see God do something unusual to answer her prayer. Do you know how difficult it is for an atheist to observe this week after week? After a while, “coincidence” begins to sound like a very weak argument.

Doesn’t that sound exciting? “Every week I would see God do something unusual to answer her prayer.”

If this is true, why doesn’t she pray to end cancer worldwide? Why doesn’t she pray to end world hunger? If God will do something unusual every week to answer her prayers, why not pray for something that will substantially improve life on earth for everyone? This is where the insanity comes in, as seen in this paragraph:

For those who do know him and rely on him, Jesus seems to be wildly generous in his offer: “If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.”5 To “remain” in him and have his words remain in them means they conduct their lives aware of him, relying on him, listening to what he says. Then they’re able to ask him whatever they want. Here is another qualifier: “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us — whatever we ask — we know that we have what we asked of him.”6 God answers our prayers according to his will (and according to his wisdom, his love for us, his holiness, etc.).

What is hard to understand about, “ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you”? But it never happens when praying for anything real like a worldwide cure for cancer. Now a Christian has to explain why Jesus would say something that is wrong. So they say, “God answers our prayers according to his will (and according to his wisdom, his love for us, his holiness, etc.)” Which is to say that God answers zero prayers of substance. This is the insanity. Christians believe that God answers prayers, even though God never, ever answers concrete prayers that would improve life for everyone.

1,161 Responses to “The insanity of Christianity: Prayer edition”

  1. on 25 Jul 2013 at 9:01 pm 1.A said …

    More wild unsubstantiated accusations and personal attacks. What a pathetic….human? or are you still a trasitional being? Lol!!!

    Anything to keep the “gotcha” questions away. Oh, and YOU have NEVER been taken serious! Lol!!!

  2. on 25 Jul 2013 at 10:48 pm 2.Anonymous said …

    “Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock- puppet you think is best.”

  3. on 26 Jul 2013 at 12:23 am 3.Angus and Alexis said …

    solomon hasnt come to his own defense, making it stupidly obvious that “solomon” is just another puppet.

    Comes in, posts shit, leaves, A replies.
    /\
    A’s method of getting nowhere.

  4. on 26 Jul 2013 at 1:29 am 4.A said …

    My favorite puppet is when I am anonymous. I bring him out to embarrass atheists. Lol!!

    You can guess why I bring out the tulips! Lol!!

    Great stuff, puppeteering allows the atheists to avoid the “gotcha” questions..

  5. on 26 Jul 2013 at 1:42 am 5.Anonymous said …

    “a” the “science guy trolls in with:

    “atheists to avoid the “gotcha” questions”

    Such as: Where is god? Why are more Yankees saying evolution is OK with them? Or is it something else?

  6. on 26 Jul 2013 at 6:02 am 6.alex said …

    “Great stuff, puppeteering allows the atheists to avoid the “gotcha” questions..”

    no, motherfucker. tolya many times, your god is the only relevant question here. and you haven’t done shit to answer it proper. get your lol fuck outta here.

  7. on 26 Jul 2013 at 5:08 pm 7.Angus and Alexis said …

    “You can guess why I bring out the tulips! Lol!!”

    Nice to know that you are so low as to disrespect tulpae…

  8. on 26 Jul 2013 at 6:16 pm 8.DPK said …

    206.Angus and Alexis said …

    “You can guess why I bring out the tulips! Lol!!”

    Nice to know that you are so low as to disrespect tulpae…

    Thing is he wouldn’t have to resort to schoolyard taunts and mockery if he would just produce some evidence for his god… or actually evidence of ANY of the things he claims are true. If he wants to be an evolution denier, fine… show us exactly how we got from point “A” to point “B” without evolution, and how that occurred while at the same time accumulating mountainous volumes of evidence that indicate that evolution is true.

    That would be some accomplishment from a “science guy” who doesn’t know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory, doesn’t get the distinction between biogenesis and evolution, and doesn’t know that astrophysicist is not a proper noun, unless it is the actual name his parents gave him.

    So, it won’t happen, and not just because Ass is a proven fraud, liar, and hypocrite… it’s actually because the stuff he claims is simply not true.

    Now, can we stop feeding the trolls… he had gone away for a while when people stopped paying attention to him, but now he’s sucked you back in to his nonsense and trolling for attention.

  9. on 26 Jul 2013 at 9:01 pm 9.Anonymous said …

    From “a”, the resident “science guy” comes:

    “multitudes of scientist who question ToE”

    No references. Just vapour. Typical. Likely referring to an ICR site. Question: ” How does one know that “a” is lying?” Answer: “When they’re typing one of their missives on this blog.”

    I did find several interesting items (thanks “a” for putting me onto Google) concerning evolution. I WILL provide a link to something fascinating. Try and Google “Clergy Letter Project”. Just do it, “a”.

    Looks like “a” and his castabouts will continue to be left in the wake. Ignorance is a choice they gladly and wilfully make.

  10. on 26 Jul 2013 at 11:27 pm 10.A said …

    Mosey,

    Oh Goody! Will you now be providing solid evidence to support ToE? I want to believe but solid scientific proof must provided. How much and how solid the evidence you ask? The same you require for God. Can you do it?

    Why are more Yankees saying God is OK with them?

    lol!!

  11. on 27 Jul 2013 at 12:18 am 11.Anonymous said …

    Now, can we stop feeding the trolls… he had gone away for a while when people stopped paying attention to him, but now he’s sucked you back in to his nonsense and trolling for attention.

    Seconded.

  12. on 27 Jul 2013 at 1:02 am 12.Anonymous said …

    “a” the “Science Guy”:

    Remember in Science things are “peer reviewed”? That’s how it works. As applied to the Sciences, it means everyone gets to look at the evidence and find consensus. The extreme minority of people (the whacked out fringes) don’t believe in Evolution, or the moon landings, and think our Earth is flat.

    Right now the best model for the biodiversity is the Theory of Evolution. Everyone agrees Evolution is sound science, some nutbar xtian fundies and other loonie-tune fringes in society notwithstanding. Did you Google “Clergy Letter Project” ? LOL!!! Even xtians, jews, and muslims are coming around.

  13. on 27 Jul 2013 at 1:28 am 13.Anonymous said …

    212, that’s great – now can we [b]please[/b] stop feeding the troll who only asks these questions so that he can disrupt the actual purpose of this web site?

    You do get that the purpose of this web site has fuck-all to do with evolution, don’t you?

    No offense intended, but if you really want to debate evolution with this troll, then invite him to join you at http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/ or http://www.talkorigins.org/ and watch him ignore the invite and pepper you with more irrelevant questions to which he doesn’t give a shit about the answer.

    [b]Please?[/b] Or are you trolling too?

  14. on 27 Jul 2013 at 1:54 am 14.Anonymous said …

    “a” the science guy” stated:

    you really do not know there are multitudes of scientist who question ToE.

    So, if you do a Google search with “Level of support for evolution” you will find the “abundance” little “a” speaks of.

    The level of support for creationism among relevant scientists is minimal. Only 700 out of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists gave credence to creationism in 1987, representing about 0.146% of relevant scientists.

    Just a “small” exaggeration? A simple mistake? Maybe little “a” takes it out of his pants and asks his wife if she wants 16 inches. It’s only a small honest mistake because what he meant to say was “16 millimetres”. LOL!!!!! What a stupid fuck.

  15. on 27 Jul 2013 at 4:08 am 15.Angus and Alexis said …

    Any one here pondering what the next tactic will be?
    What puppet he will use?

  16. on 27 Jul 2013 at 5:45 am 16.Anonymous said …

    Indeed, Angus and Alexis, hence the best course of action is to call-out then refuse to engage in attempts at diversion, regardless of the poster’s claimed position.

    Anyone, atheists included, who wish to discuss other subjects have plenty of opportunities to do so elsewhere.

    [blockquote]
    About this blog

    WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com is a web site that explores the existence of God. This blog accompanies the site and explores God and religion in our world today.[/blockquote]

    tl;dr, FFS people, stop with the evolution discussions. They are not germane to the conversation.

  17. on 27 Jul 2013 at 11:50 am 17.A said …

    Who said anything about Creationism? Which one? What does that have to do with ToE? Is your proof for ToE lack of support for Creationism?

    lol!!!!!
    Maybe your proof is no more than appeal to authority? Too hard to think mousey?

    Well how about this. Dug a little into your link. Only 15% believe in Atheistic ToE. Lol!!!!! Puts you back in the milli again, huh Mousey! Lol!!!

  18. on 27 Jul 2013 at 1:26 pm 18.Anonymous said …

    Oh little “a”:

    “Only 15% believe in Atheistic ToE.”

    I thought the discussion was on scientists who support evolution. You made the claim of “multitudes of scientists”. Remember? With that in mind I did a Google search on “List of scientific societies explicitly rejecting intelligent design”. Where are the “multitudes”?

    A snippet from the link: “An expert in the evolution-creationism controversy, professor and author Brian Alters, states that “99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution”

    Little “a” claims “Many must keep it quiet in order to earn a living. Sssshhhh”

    Yeah, I know. It’s a cover up, totally. WTF are you doing even mentioning it? Now we’re both on a list of undesirables and will be targeted for termination by a covert US govmint agency. Think before you write, asshole.

  19. on 27 Jul 2013 at 1:55 pm 19.A said …

    Oh smaller “a”,

    I thought this discussion was about your faith in ToE. Do you have the level of proof you require for God or not? To play with the big boys you gotsta show you know the rules.

    You fanatics really get angry when one questions your faith.

    Oh, and smaller “a”. Questioning the legitimacy of ToE is NOT the equivalent of being a Creationist or denier. lol!!!! Learn to use google properly. My fault, I turned you on to it.

  20. on 27 Jul 2013 at 2:02 pm 20.alex said …

    smells like feet.

  21. on 27 Jul 2013 at 2:18 pm 21.Anonymous said …

    Small “a”:

    “I thought this discussion was about your faith in ToE.”

    Nope. The Theory of Evolution has mountains of physical data for support. My examination of the data (as well as 99.9% of the scientific community) points to Evolution. I will forget and relearn all about Evolution if presented with a better model to explain all the data. So far nothing is even close.

    The evidence for god can ONLY ever be personal and immaterial. This being exists in another undetectable dimension. The rules of reason and logic cannot be applied. All gods exist strictly as shadowy figures, afraid of the light. Nice try, “a”sshole.

  22. on 27 Jul 2013 at 3:00 pm 22.alex said …

    why are we arguing for evolution? might as well argue about my invisibility cloak.

    let’s just say that everything that atheists believe in, is bullshit. how the fuck does this prove that prayer works? fuck the theist sideshow diversion.

    lol that, motherfucker.

  23. on 27 Jul 2013 at 3:14 pm 23.Angus and Alexis said …

    Might as well be arguing tulpae 9_9 (sorry, had to…)

    This is the prayer topic, so ill leave this.

    Theist: God will answer all prayers.
    Any one else: “God, please cure all cancer, and phase 1 trillion tons of MRE’s to feed africa and the rest of the world, amen”

    *Nothing happens*

    Anyone else: back to the flying spagetthi monster i guess…

  24. on 27 Jul 2013 at 3:19 pm 24.Anonymous said …

    Hey alex,

    Evolution, in the tiny world of little “a” (aka HOR) cannot co-exist with his belief in Master J-Man. They are mutually exclusive and cannot be intertwined. Of course, we all know that if tiny “a” was ever to accept evolution it just means that the goalposts in his tiniest of worlds will shift.

    tiny “a”: Questioning the legitimacy of ToE is NOT the equivalent of being a Creationist or denier. lol!!!!

    All scientific theories should be questioned rigorously. Where did I write that they shouldn’t be? That’s why Evolution is sound. It has yet to be challenged as the best interpretation for Earth’s biodiversity. Didn’t the alternative idea of “fixed species” get resolved in the 1850’s? What a stupid fuck you are, tiny “a”.

  25. on 27 Jul 2013 at 3:40 pm 25.alex said …

    “if tiny “a” was ever to accept evolution”

    any evolution peddlers here? the motherfuckers just need to leave people be. just like this blog, the spiritually deluded won’t even try to restrain themselves.

    fuck your “god bless”, “hallelujah”, “thank god”, “it’s a miracle”, “you’re going to hell” and other religious crap. just like the other dismissable bullshit, religion is no different.

    yeah, yeah, so i believe in santa claus. this the god proof?

  26. on 27 Jul 2013 at 3:53 pm 26.Anonymous said …

    Whoever you are. If you want to discuss evolution, quite the trolling and just go somewhere where that’s the purpose of the site.

    [blockquote]The insanity of Christianity: Prayer edition[/blockquote]

    FFS, what is so hard to parse in that sentence?

  27. on 27 Jul 2013 at 3:55 pm 27.A said …

    Oh miniscule “a”, ToE will not change Gods existence in the least. Many more theistic ToE adherents than your little band of hoodlums.

    Now lets see the facts that back ToE to the same level you expect for God. Ready to believe and a man of science.

    So simple even a caveman could do it.

  28. on 27 Jul 2013 at 4:04 pm 28.Anonymous said …

    Anonymous #2:
    Purpose of the site:

    Exploring God and religion in our world today

    Yes, this thread is about prayer but the flowchart used by the Master J-Man theists posting here have a stop at Evolution and end in Abiogenesis before they exhaust their very limited resources. Finally, when they inevitably fail, there is silence. I am just cutting to the chase.

    Maybe tiny “a” is praying for guidance? <-Back on thread.

  29. on 27 Jul 2013 at 4:18 pm 29.Anonymous said …

    Oh milli-“a”:
    You prayed for guidance and Master J-Man gave you:

    Ready to believe and a man of science.
    So simple even a caveman could do it.

    Yikes….What does this say for your intelligence? Science Guy, it’s sad!!

    See I mentioned prayer ;-)

    Now lets see the facts that back ToE to the same level you expect for God.

    But, sad little “a”, you said yourself that there can NEVER be a theory of god because there is no physical evidence. Evolution has data. Can’t prove god; it’s a concept that exists in the very small amount of grey matter in your strained cranium.
    Better go back and pray for some more guidance from j-man. <- Hey, prayer mentioned again.

  30. on 27 Jul 2013 at 5:35 pm 30.alex said …

    “Can’t prove god; it’s a concept that exists in the very small amount of grey matter in your strained cranium.”

    god is the smegma, the cheesy sebaceous matter that collects between the glans penis and the foreskin. that’s why foreskins are a critical, biblical component, nauseatingly repeated throughout. remember david and his collection? he needed god(s).

  31. on 27 Jul 2013 at 7:30 pm 31.A said …

    Now we have two guys posing as mice. Puppet within a puppet. Mouse learn html. Second, you want me to quit asking about ToE then prove it using the same level of evidence you desire for prayer or God.

    The ToE does tie into the purpose of the blog. You must establish your ability to process the nature of evidence. Maybe mouse”s new persona can do that.

  32. on 27 Jul 2013 at 9:19 pm 32.Anonymous said …

    Littlest “a”
    Too bad your prayers were not answered by Master J-Boy. You continue to wallow in ignorance and seem to suffer some form of acute reading and comprehension ailment, could be it’s just plain stupidity?

    Maybe pray harder….but try directing the request to the Wizard of Oz, Strawman. It could be your last and only hope for a brain. J-Boy seems to be a dead end for you.

  33. on 27 Jul 2013 at 9:22 pm 33.Anonymous said …

    “a”:

    You must establish your ability to process the nature of evidence.

    What is the evidence that you’re working from? Maybe you don’t know how to research?

  34. on 27 Jul 2013 at 11:26 pm 34.alex said …

    whatever proof you xtians offer up, would you buy it if a hindu did the same? let’s see…
    “it’s in the holy book”, “morals, schmorals”, “life after death”, “creator”, blah, fucking blah.

    so, what’s the evidentiary process, whatever the fuck it is?

  35. on 28 Jul 2013 at 12:30 am 35.A said …

    “What is the evidence that you’re working from? Maybe you don’t know how to research?”

    Mouse the II, maybe you can help me. I will make it simple. Tell me how the first strand of DNA evolved. Remember, your proof would need to meet the same standards you would require for God. Let the scientific method be your guide.

  36. on 28 Jul 2013 at 12:47 am 36.Anonymous said …

    I predicted:

    the flowchart used by the Master J-Man theists posting here have a stop at Evolution and end in Abiogenesis before they exhaust their very limited resources.

    On cue, little “a” goes to:

    Tell me how the first strand of DNA evolved.

    We are now at abiogenesis, folks. Soon the full vacuum of his ignorance will encompass little “a” and he’ll have nothing left. And this guy is a “Science Guy”? In his dreams.

  37. on 28 Jul 2013 at 3:24 am 37.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Tell me how the first strand of DNA evolved.”

    Thats as simple as how does any DNA strand mutate…
    Mutagens, breeding, virus’s, etc.

  38. on 28 Jul 2013 at 3:28 am 38.Angus and Alexis said …

    Umm, little request please?

    Can any “Anonymous” excluding the original Anonymous rename themselves?
    Its a tad bit annoying to have so many anon’s and not knowing who is who.
    Thanks in advance.

  39. on 28 Jul 2013 at 3:33 am 39.Anonymous said …

    “a”:
    “Tell me how the first strand of DNA evolved.”

    Let’s both agree that when the planet Earth formed over 4 BILLION years ago, there was no life. You don’t have an explanation for how life began (other than goddidit} and I claim it began without the help of an unknowable inter-dimensional entity; it was natural. I predict that one day we will know definitively and, when we do, you doubting theists will need to re-adjust your goalposts, again.

    Pray to god for guidance and see if it helps. How god made lifeforms change over time should be easy for you to explain with god’s help (using the power of prayer, of course). Give the science community a shake up like they so sorely need.

  40. on 28 Jul 2013 at 3:54 am 40.Anonymous said …

    The original Anonymous has pretty much decided to sit this one out. I agree with DPK – the troll had gone away, now people are giving him exactly what he wants – attention. It’s sad to see people engaging the troll considering the deceit Hor perpetrated upon everyone.

  41. on 28 Jul 2013 at 7:57 am 41.A said …

    Mousey pretending there ate two of him. How quaint. The MO is the same, no answer.

    I did readjust. I am now a skeptic.
    We doubting theist do not need to readjust but consider just how the doubting atheist may need to readjust? Suppose the answer does not turn out to be what you already expect? Ouch!

    You have no proof so why believe? You don’t believe in God. At least be consistent.

  42. on 28 Jul 2013 at 12:46 pm 42.Anonymous said …

    Little “a”

    Suppose the answer does not turn out to be what you already expect? Ouch!
    You have no proof so why believe?

    I ONLY expect the answer will be logical and natural.

    Having no proof? Does that automatically invoke the supernatural as a rational temporary explanation? No; that would be the god-of-the-gaps method. That approach always leads to disappointment and failure (and moving the goalposts) Ouch!

  43. on 28 Jul 2013 at 1:06 pm 43.Angus and Alexis said …

    “It’s sad to see people engaging the troll considering the deceit Hor perpetrated upon everyone.”

    Aww, come on, even trolls need to be fed ;P

  44. on 28 Jul 2013 at 2:06 pm 44.alex said …

    “Aww, come on, even trolls need to be fed ;P”

    well, atheists have been known to be an independent bunch. that’s why we ain’t a church, got no pope, and don’t necessarily agree with everything, cept what?

    we’re all going to hell? wrong. we’re all going dead.

  45. on 28 Jul 2013 at 7:35 pm 45.A said …

    “Having no proof? Does that automatically invoke the supernatural as a rational temporary explanation?”

    Finally, an admission you believe with no proof. So how does that first DNA form “naturally” in nature? I got to hear this. What are the “natural” possibilities? Something complex and designed appears in the primordial soup is “natural”. Lol!!

    Sure! a Creator makes no sense. Lol!!!

    Quantum physics was also a supernatural phenomonea not that long ago. Natural means little much like your logic.

    Bring back the smarter anonymous anonymous!!

  46. on 28 Jul 2013 at 8:05 pm 46.A said …

    Alex,

    lol!! You make me laugh so…

    Glad I read your post this time. You guys are about as Independent as the inner circle of the DNC. Oh, and you have your churches and your tax-exempt orgs. You are in no way original, independent or relevant.

  47. on 28 Jul 2013 at 10:22 pm 47.Anonymous said …

    Oh little “a”:
    Finally, an admission you believe with no proof. So how does that first DNA form “naturally” in nature?

    The evidence continues to point to natural processes for abiogenesis. No divine intervention detected or necessary. Sorry for ruining your “gotcha moment”, my friend.

    The planet was void of life 4+ Billion years ago, on that we can agree. Now there is biodiversity, again we agree. How did that happen? You claim goddidit; sparked life and somehow (you have never explained how) created biodiversity. However, you have absolutely no proof, only god-of-the-gap arguments .

    On the other hand, I have the smoking gun: I have a trail of decreasingly complex lifeforms to the moment life came to be. I have scientists trying to understand the process by looking for life on Mars and elsewhere in the Universe. I have logic and reason. I have Evolution. I have DNA. The proof will be when we figure it out. Science works at a slow and deliberate pace, not to be rushed lest it becomes as irrational as you, little “a”, the science guy.
    Methinks you blew your wad a little early. Pray for forgiveness.

  48. on 28 Jul 2013 at 11:50 pm 48.Angus and Alexis said …

    “On the other hand, I have the smoking gun:”

    No you dont…

    You have a loaded .50cal desert eagle aimed directly at “A’s” head…
    Microevolution is fact, any one trying to say otherwise can be dismissed.
    Macroevolution (that is, one celled critter to human) is just a shit ton of microevolution allowed to run its course, that is how mutations change species, and a great example is the finches of Galapagos.

  49. on 29 Jul 2013 at 3:22 pm 49.freddies_dead said …

    245.A said …

    Something complex and designed appears in the primordial soup is “natural”. Lol!!

    Hold on, didn’t your God design the primordial soup too? How the fuck can you distinguish complex and designed DNA from the complex and designed primordial soup that your God is responsible for?

    Sure! a Creator makes no sense. Lol!!!

    Good to see you admit that your worldview is absurd.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  50. on 29 Jul 2013 at 4:26 pm 50.A said …

    I have a trail of decreasingly complex lifeforms to the moment life came to be”

    Awesome! That is really great news!! So your proof shows that everything began simple and became more complex and nature was intelligent enough to do this.

    I am so excited. So now you will show us? Great! Lets keep it really simple. Show me how that first strand of DNA evolved. Was the first cell already in place and the DNA evolved IN the cell?

    I’m ready to believe so bring it on!

    Oh Agnus, such a simpleton. The old mircoevolution proves macroevolugion silliness. Yes my swimming the Olympic size pool proves I can swim the Pacific. Have you ever had a independent thought?

  51. on 29 Jul 2013 at 6:58 pm 51.Anonymous said …

    Micro “a”:

    Show me how that first strand of DNA evolved. Was the first cell already in place and the DNA evolved IN the cell?

    Hey science guy, “a”, it’s a work in progress. Why insert some silly myths and beliefs into the equation? That would be completely irrational. But that’s what you do on a daily basis. Maybe pray for some more guidance, just pray harder- it’s not working very efficiently for you. You continue displaying utter stupidity.

    I’m ready to believe so bring it on!

    Your beliefs are set in stone. Master J-Man rules. That will never be changed. Now try squaring that belief with reality – clearly, that is where your mental deficiencies ultimately begin.

    This Anonymous will be on Summer holidays very soon. Maybe now we can return to our regular scheduled bickering about the insanity of prayer. See you in a month.

  52. on 29 Jul 2013 at 8:44 pm 52.A said …

    A work in progress? Huh, so where are we, what do we know? Have we identified an intelligent programmer in nature that MIGHT have written the code? Anything at all to lead us to such a conclusion? A sea turtle maybe? Lol!

    This is exciting. But wait, haven’t you been singing the praises of abiogenesis?

    Time to run and hide mousey? I understand, if I were you I’d do the same.

  53. on 29 Jul 2013 at 11:52 pm 53.alex said …

    get the motherfucking socks out this motherfucking blog. say diversion again, motherfucker, i dare you.

  54. on 30 Jul 2013 at 12:25 am 54.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Yes my swimming the Olympic size pool proves I can swim the Pacific. ”

    Yes it does, it merely means it will take a long time, require breaks and have a net around you to protect from sharks.

    “Agnus”

    Its “Angus and Alexis”, please respect names….

    “Awesome! That is really great news!! So your proof shows that everything began simple and became more complex and nature was intelligent enough to do this.”

    Show us proof that a bloody sky daddy made everything via magic.

    Its impossible to prove, hence its dismissed.

  55. on 30 Jul 2013 at 8:26 am 55.s0l0m0n said …

    ‘A’ is not me. You can check. Now that truth is revealed.

  56. on 30 Jul 2013 at 10:19 am 56.freddies_dead said …

    252.A said …

    Have we identified an intelligent programmer in nature that MIGHT have written the code?

    Not that I’m aware of. Maybe you have some evidence that such an entity exists? If you do then go ahead and provide it.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  57. on 30 Jul 2013 at 10:51 am 57.A said …

    A net?

    lol!!!! Dude you are too funny. Let me know when you have proof that first man made the swim. We only need a net!! Lol!!!

    Hey, was it a net that protected those first amino acids from the harsh environment? Of course they had to evolve from soup first…

    Agnus, you just don’t understand the nature of evidence.

  58. on 30 Jul 2013 at 2:46 pm 58.freddies_dead said …

    256.A said …

    A net?

    It would more likely be an electro-magnetic field – lookup Benoit Lecomte for details.

    lol!!!! Dude you are too funny. Let me know when you have proof that first man made the swim. We only need a net!! Lol!!!

    He’s apparently doing the swim next year – you can get your proof from http://www.thelongestswim.com/

    Hey, was it a net that protected those first amino acids from the harsh environment? Of course they had to evolve from soup first…

    Surely for those amino acids to flourish they wouldn’t have found it a “harsh environment”. And surely an advocate of ID would also think the “soup” was just as designed as the amino acids that came out of it? Unless you’re saying the designer only designs certain things? I’d love it if you could explain how you infer “design” when your wordlview means that everything is designed. Otherwise you’re simply holding up a watch and arbitrarily claiming design while you stand on a beach made entirely of watches.

    Agnus, you just don’t understand the nature of evidence.

    A: Hello kettle, you’re black.
    Kettle: Lol, you fucking hypocrite.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  59. on 30 Jul 2013 at 4:51 pm 59.DPK said …

    Stan again shows the ridiculousness of his position by restating a simple minded straw man argument he has been trounced on many times before. Equating evolutionary changes that occur over hundreds of millions of years with the limits of human endurance in performing an athletic feat. As if the two concept were in any way shape or form equivalent. All he can manage is to construct straw men to try and support his position. Mr.”Science Guy” indeed. To coin a phrase LOL.

    Note that he has now abandoned all other arguments for his imaginary god but for the last remaining god of the gaps argument regarding abiogenesis. That is a weak peg to hang ALL you beliefs on, as all other god of the gaps arguments throughout history have been proven wrong. But, we will let him have is delusion, because we just don’t care. The punishment for willful ignorance is a lifetime lived in ignorance. It is its own sad reward. Now leave the troll alone to go back to thumping his bible and screaming at people from his van parked out behind the supermarket.

  60. on 30 Jul 2013 at 7:06 pm 60.MD said …

    This blog still has an infection of bullying theists, I see.

    Oh well, I’ll check back in another year. I like spending time with my fellow Atheists, but not over constant interruptions from people that lack the empathy to even consider our views. I prefer honesty when discussing topics that are important to so many!

  61. on 30 Jul 2013 at 7:28 pm 61.A said …

    Hmmm, I have a straw man argument? No, what I have done is destroy the notion there is proof that DNA or any other complex creation was magically born in the primordial soup. Also, no proof for ToE. That is my position and so far it is unchallenged.

    Its OK to believe with faith, you just need to be honest Dippy

    Lol, he still thinks I am Stan. No problem, Stan is a clear thinker. Please don’t call me DPK. Lol!!!

  62. on 30 Jul 2013 at 7:38 pm 62.DPK said …

    “No problem, Stan is a clear thinker.”

    As I said… willful ignorance is its own punishment, justly deserved.

  63. on 30 Jul 2013 at 11:47 pm 63.Curmudgeon said …

    DPK

    Where is the God of the gaps theory you claim Stan is using? Nobody claimed any such thing.

    Where is the strawman argument you claim has been made?

    Where is anyone thumping a Bible at you? Do you just habitually lie in order just type anything?

  64. on 31 Jul 2013 at 12:25 am 64.Angus and Alexis said …

    Ohh great, “A” states he isnt Stan, then changes socks to Curm…

    “Where is the strawman argument you claim has been made?”

    You bloody equated evolutionary processes to human endurance in an athletic event. That is the strawman. That is like equating mathmatics to a food eating competition.

  65. on 31 Jul 2013 at 12:38 am 65.alex said …

    “Where is the God of the gaps theory..”
    “Where is the strawman argument..”
    “Where is anyone thumping a Bible..”

    where is the crocoduck? where is the TOE? where is the motherfucker1, motherfucker2 and the rest of the endless motherfucking goalposts and diversions? where is the rest of the mothefucking socks?

    ….and finally. where is your motherfucking god proof?

  66. on 31 Jul 2013 at 1:23 am 66.dan said …

    well how do you except God to heal all sorts of disease when you don’t believe he could do it in the first place this is called faith.

  67. on 31 Jul 2013 at 1:57 am 67.DPK said …

    DPK
    Where is the God of the gaps theory you claim Stan is using? Nobody claimed any such thing.

    The god of the gaps argument is “show us exactly how the first strand of DNA developed.” And if you cannot explain it right now, that proves there must have been a magical designer who built it. They is as plain a god of the gaps argument as there can be. You aren’t too bright are you?

    Where is the strawman argument you claim has been made?
    The straw an argument is claiming the process of micro evolution leading to speciation over billions of years is equivalent to a man swimming the Pacific Ocean because he can swim the length of a pool. Straw man plain as day.

    Where is anyone thumping a Bible at you? Do you just habitually lie in order just type anything?

    Stan, aka A, aka 40 years rambling nonsensical bullshit and repeated use of failed and discredited arguments, sock puppet posting, refusal to engage in honest debate, and general willful ignorance is the metaphorical equivalent of bible thumping. Sorry if that was too hard for you to grasp.

  68. on 31 Jul 2013 at 2:00 am 68.DPK said …

    on 31 Jul 2013 at 1:23 am 263.dan said …
    well how do you except God to heal all sorts of disease when you don’t believe he could do it in the first place this is called faith.

    So, Dan, what you seem to be saying that in order to believe, first you must believe?
    You have faith, where I d o not… Fine… YOU pray for an end to cancer tonight and come back tomorrow and tell us how it went for you. You have faith that god can do that, right?

  69. on 31 Jul 2013 at 2:07 am 69.A said …

    Everything claimed by Dippy is just another lie. Sigh!

    I never even mentioned God. I asked for proof and he provides none, nada, zilch. In frustration, he makes up lies.

    My swimming analogy is perfect. Micro can be proved and Macro is not proven. QED. Case proven without Dippy tactics.

    I can swim the Pacific. Even Agnus believes it!! Lol!!!!!!! How gullible. Now prove it wrong! Lol!!!

  70. on 31 Jul 2013 at 2:09 am 70.A said …

    Dan, Dippy only has faith in nature to write programs and design systems!! lol!!!! Crazy stuff

  71. on 31 Jul 2013 at 5:18 am 71.Angus and Alexis said …

    “well how do you except God to heal all sorts of disease when you don’t believe he could do it in the first place this is called faith.”

    So are you saying God is not real, but is instead a placebo effect?

    “My swimming analogy is perfect. ”

    Flawed.

  72. on 31 Jul 2013 at 10:02 am 72.freddies_dead said …

    264.dan said …

    well how do you except God to heal all sorts of disease when you don’t believe he could do it in the first place this is called faith.

    This just isn’t true. We are all quite capable of imagining an omnimax deity capable of curing all diseases. Unfortunately for you, imagining this entity is all we can do as there’s exactly zero evidence that such an entity exists. Faith is simply your believing in said entity without evidence.

    Unless you have evidence? In which case why haven’t you presented it?

  73. on 31 Jul 2013 at 10:25 am 73.freddies_dead said …

    267.A said …

    My swimming analogy is perfect.

    All analogies are flawed. If they were perfect they would be the thing they are trying to describe rather than being a less than perfect description.

    In the case of using swimming the pacific as an analogy for evolution you’d need lots of people all swimming at the same time – without the actual goal of getting to the other side. Some of them would get further than others and have more time to pass that advantage on to their offspring.

    Anyway, for anyone interested, a gentleman by the name of Benoit Lecomte will be attempting to swim the pacific next year – look up “the longest swim” for details.

    If Lecomte completes his endeavour will A accept that small increments can become much larger things over time? Of course he won’t. Instead he’ll dishonestly wonder why anyone would assume feats of human endeavour could ever be compared with evolutionary ideas concerning speciation.

  74. on 31 Jul 2013 at 10:33 am 74.freddies_dead said …

    268.A said …

    Dan, Dippy only has faith in nature to write programs and design systems!! lol!!!! Crazy stuff

    Considering that every one of these so called “programs” and “designs” has been shown to be a product of natural origins it seems quite rational to suspect that those “programs” and “designs” that we haven’t yet got an explanation for will turn out to have a natural cause too.

    The “crazy stuff” is believing we’ll suddenly find a magical being who has successfully eluded detection during thousands of years of searching for the causes of various phenomena.

  75. on 31 Jul 2013 at 10:41 am 75.A said …

    Geez, what a nard. I need to explain the example.

    Swimming only means you assume I can swim the Pacific because I swam the length of a pool. No proof, only an assumption. The same applies to Macro and Micro evolution.

    If the guy swims the shortest route of the Pacific I will THEN believe he can do it. The same goes for Micro. Show me how the first DNA was born.

  76. on 31 Jul 2013 at 12:45 pm 76.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Show me how the first DNA was born.”

    Trust us A, we would love to, but current time travel technology is, well…
    It doesnt exist, hence no one can prove how EXACTLY the first DNA came to be.

  77. on 31 Jul 2013 at 3:12 pm 77.freddies_dead said …

    273.A said …

    Geez, what a nard. I need to explain the example.

    You never actually explain anything. You make random assertions and expect us to just accept them while refusing to answer any questions aimed at you.

    Swimming only means you assume I can swim the Pacific because I swam the length of a pool.

    Based on your inability to think rationally I actually doubt your ability to paddle in even the shallowest of waters.

    No proof, only an assumption. The same applies to Macro and Micro evolution. If the guy swims the shortest route of the Pacific I will THEN believe he can do it. The same goes for Micro. Show me how the first DNA was born.

    This is just rubbish. There are many instances of observed speciation that demonstrate the truth of macroevolution every bit as surely as microevolution. A quick look at talkorigins would give you all the examples you need.

    Of course you will simply deny that they are what you’ve asked for before running away from defining exactly what it is you do want.

    Newsflash: You don’t get to decide what is speciation and what isn’t. We’re simply not going to go with your bizarro non-definitions of evolutionary terms.

  78. on 31 Jul 2013 at 5:06 pm 78.A said …

    “You don’t get to decide what is speciation and what isn’t”

    Really? If that is true you don’t get determine if evidence for God exists. Lol!!! What’s nard!

    Hey, I have an idea for you. Since atheist claim nature created DNA simply because nature exists, maybe my dog took a dump and created DNA. He exists, we were not there and he is part of nature.

  79. on 01 Aug 2013 at 12:24 am 79.Angus and Alexis said …

    “If that is true you don’t get determine if evidence for God exists.”

    Indeed, we dont determine if it exists or if it doesnt.

    However, in all of the several years of blogging here, no one has given viable proof.

    All of it is assertions, quotes, christian biased opinions and insults.

    Have any proof? We would like to see it.

  80. on 01 Aug 2013 at 1:45 am 80.Curmudgeon said …

    “However, in all of the several years of blogging here, no one has given viable proof.”

    You can see by the troll’s comment, that he is obviously posting under multiple handles. Under the current handle he has not been posting here for years.

    “You don’t get to decide what is speciation and what isn’t.”

    Well regardless of DPK’s claim, I sure can. Only the brain dead followers would not consider evidence and think for themselves. I wonder if DPK reads the work of a PhD who was ID advocate if he would accept the conclusion?

  81. on 01 Aug 2013 at 7:01 am 81.Anonymous said …

    Angus and Alexis, would you please stop feeding the troll?

    He’s never going to go away if every time he gets exposed as the liar and cheat that he is, if all he has to do is post the same old taunts and nonsense, being assured that someone will bite.

    We’ve been over his nonsense time and time again. He’s not going to answer your questions, he’s not going to play fair, he’s just going to carry on as he always has

    So there’s bad information on the internet – you don’t need to personally challenge all of it.

    When boxed into a corner, as he is now, he just disappears and posts as someone else, with the sole intention of leading you into dead-end, irrelevant, conversations.

    Here’s how this latest diversion works.

    He’ll demand you define the nature of evidence, he won’t produce any. He’ll then defy you to defend his straw-man argument that what you ask him to provide, you can’t either. He then claims that if you can’t satisfy HIS whims, he wins and he doesn’t have to present proof. Then he goes back to his standard diversions and round we go again.

    At some point he’ll either declare that he’s already presented evidence (he hasn’t) so he’s not going to repost it, or he’ll declare that you won’t accept his “evidence” so he’s not going to present it either.

    Note he responded to your request for his proof with a query regarding a third party diversion. It’s not his proof and he won’t present his proof.

    He’s already showing his dishonesty and game-plan of never answering your questions and accusing everyone-else of his own misdeeds.

    A / Cumudgeon / Ben / Biff / Martin / 40YA… no matter who he posts as, he’s a fucking troll and anyone looking at any of his threads can tell he has no intention of ever answering your questions or taking part in an honest conversation. All he’ll do is mock, taunt, and demand that people attend to his off-topic strawman arguments. He’ll mock this post, it’s what he does.

    Do you really not see that?

  82. on 01 Aug 2013 at 9:29 am 82.freddies_dead said …

    276.A said …

    “You don’t get to decide what is speciation and what isn’t”

    Really?

    Yes really.

    If that is true you don’t get determine if evidence for God exists. Lol!!! What’s nard!

    Total non sequitur. We’re perfectly able to evaluate evidence for God’s existence. All you need to do is present some. Care to try at any point?

    Hey, I have an idea for you. Since atheist claim nature created DNA simply because nature exists, maybe my dog took a dump and created DNA. He exists, we were not there and he is part of nature.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  83. on 01 Aug 2013 at 11:59 am 83.A said …

    I can and I will question how some scientist would like to define speciation. Scientist have been exposed for lying about their supposed evidence for Darwinism over the last century. The fervor to prove this true is matched only by religion. Anyhow, defining speciation to make Darwinism more believable still leaves you without evidence.

    Show me the level of evidence for ToE you require for God. That’s fair and would show how you understand the nature of evidence. Why is that so hard?

    Question your scientism so you will not be brainless nard.

  84. on 01 Aug 2013 at 12:26 pm 84.Angus and Alexis said …

    Anon said “Angus and Alexis, would you please stop feeding the troll?”

    No. ;P

    “A” said “You can see by the troll’s comment, that he is obviously posting under multiple handles. Under the current handle he has not been posting here for years.”

    You realise this blog has an archive right?
    I have literally read like 50 blog posts from the past, all gave zilch.

    Anon said “Do you really not see that?”

    I see it, i honestly dont care, i find his idiocracy funny however.

    To “A”

    Have any proof? We would like to see it.

    From A&A

  85. on 01 Aug 2013 at 1:45 pm 85.freddies_dead said …

    281.A said …

    I can and I will question how some scientist would like to define speciation.

    Why question their definition when you’re not prepared to come up with a reasonable definition yourself?

    Scientist have been exposed for lying about their supposed evidence for Darwinism over the last century.

    If you mean hoaxes, those hoaxes were discovered by other scientists so your point is irrelevant.

    The fervor to prove this true is matched only by religion.

    There’s no fervour – it’s already been proved. Your insistence on redefining speciation in such a way that it can never be shown to happen is also irrelevant.

    Anyhow, defining speciation to make Darwinism more believable still leaves you without evidence.

    Lol, evolution has 150+ years worth of supporting evidence.

    Show me the level of evidence for ToE you require for God.

    I gave you evidence based on the criteria you stipulated. You then went back on the deal and refused to give your evidence for God.

    That’s fair and would show how you understand the nature of evidence. Why is that so hard?

    I’ve no idea why you find it so hard but I’m glad it’s not my problem.

    Question your scientism so you will not be brainless nard.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  86. on 01 Aug 2013 at 3:46 pm 86.A said …

    Freddie!

    We have evidence for ToE at a level you would accept for God? Great!!! I’m ready to believe. Lets have it. None of this “I already did”. Show your work. Start small, like with DNA.

    This will be exciting! I”LL get the popcorn.

  87. on 01 Aug 2013 at 3:49 pm 87.A said …

    Freddie,

    A hoax = lie or maybe your morality defines that as kist an innocent mistake? Lol!!

  88. on 01 Aug 2013 at 5:11 pm 88.alex said …

    dude, stfu already. i already conceded that all atheists are full of shit, now about your god proof…

  89. on 01 Aug 2013 at 7:12 pm 89.DPK said …

    You guys keep feeding him, and he will keep vomiting forth his nonsense.
    His only claim at the moment is that since you cannot demonstrate to his satisfaction exactly step by step how the first molecule of DNA evolved, therefore that is somehow proof of some “designer”… specifically NOT “God” (“who said anything about god? LOL”).

    So ok… go with alex’s contention that evolution is utter nonsense, DNA could never exist without a designer to create it. So, where is the proof of this designer, where did he come from, and exactly did he create DNA, and subsequently life… and who then created HIM? Obviously it is not possible for a being so complex as to create DNA to have just “happened.”
    Pass the popcorn and watch for the sock parade.

  90. on 01 Aug 2013 at 10:05 pm 90.A said …

    Lol!!! Dippy takes the old stance, we see nothing we believe nothing. What happen to ToE is fact? You want proof for God but you can’t produce any proof for something you claim is fact! Nature designed DNA correct because there is no God, right?

    lol!! What a mess Dippy remains.

  91. on 01 Aug 2013 at 10:22 pm 91.alex said …

    waaah! motherfucker runs into a stone so he resorts to the time tested theist m.o. look, up in the sky! itsa bird! look at the dog’s ass, it jesus christ!

    you a dumbfuck with nothing…..

  92. on 01 Aug 2013 at 10:25 pm 92.alex said …

    toe is bullshit, it’s unbelievable, therefore the god is the one! what? no toe for you? why not? you need to defend toe. i demand it.

    what fuckheads these motherfucking, goalposts moving, forekins collecting theists are.

    “fuck you” food for the trolls.

  93. on 02 Aug 2013 at 5:29 am 93.Angus and Alexis said …

    We’re going to join the “ToE is fake” train.

    So, A, ToE is fake, how does this prove god?
    Or for that matter, why do you disbelieve in ToE? How does it disprove God?

  94. on 02 Aug 2013 at 9:26 am 94.freddies_dead said …

    284.A said …

    Freddie!

    We have evidence for ToE at a level you would accept for God? Great!!! I’m ready to believe. Lets have it. None of this “I already did”. Show your work. Start small, like with DNA.

    I already did.

    This will be exciting! I”LL get the popcorn.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  95. on 02 Aug 2013 at 9:30 am 95.freddies_dead said …

    285.A said …

    Freddie,

    A hoax = lie or maybe your morality defines that as kist an innocent mistake? Lol!!

    I was just trying to clarify what you meant by “Scientists exposed for lying…” If you don’t mean the the hoaxes (like “Piltdown man”) then you’re going to have to give us examples of these “lies” and demonstrate exactly how they are lies.

    Of course this will probably mean you’ll need to give us evidence of your God and, as we already know, you’re completely incapable of doing such a things so:

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  96. on 02 Aug 2013 at 12:24 pm 96.A said …

    “I already did.”

    Good, show it.

    “you’ll need to give us evidence of your God”

    I already did as did many others.

    “hoaxes (like “Piltdown man”)”

    One of many!! I wonder why scientists have to fake evidence for something claimed as fact? For Frederick the hoaxes are not lies, we need to separate the lies from the hoaxes for Frederick. lol!! Then we have Richard running around calling ToE a fact and skeptics the same as holocaust deniers. Another lie from another nard.

  97. on 02 Aug 2013 at 12:46 pm 97.alex said …

    dude, give it up! science, atheists, polar bears, yetis, et all are hoaxes in your fucked up mind. prove your god, moron or gtfooh.

    btw, the seat belt you’re wearing, is it hoaxy?

  98. on 02 Aug 2013 at 1:34 pm 98.freddies_dead said …

    294.A said …

    “I already did.”

    Good, show it.

    I already did.

    “you’ll need to give us evidence of your God”

    I already did as did many others.

    Where? I did it on this thread, where’s your response? Just give us the post number and we can examine your God evidence.

    “hoaxes (like “Piltdown man”)”

    One of many!! I wonder why scientists have to fake evidence for something claimed as fact?

    Notoriety. Scientists aren’t invulnerable to human weakness. Fortunately science tends to be self policing and the scientific method allows them to uncover attempts to distort science as they did with the Piltdown man hoax. That ability is why creation scientists have never produced anything that can pass peer review.

    For Frederick the hoaxes are not lies, we need to separate the lies from the hoaxes for Frederick. lol!!

    And now you’re lying about what I said. Remember when I said that I’d asked for clarification on what you were claiming? Nowhere did I even suggest that the hoaxes weren’t lies. I simply asked if those were the lies you were talking about and, if they weren’t, that you clarify exactly what you thought were lies and explain how they are lies. I note you didn’t actually make an attempt to do that. It’s almost as if you couldn’t.

    Then we have Richard running around calling ToE a fact and skeptics the same as holocaust deniers. Another lie from another nard.

    And now people have also conceded (for the sake of argument) that the ToE is all wrong. Now you can produce your evidence for the Intelligent Designer (God) that you believe did it all. You can show us exactly how this designer (God) created the very first DNA strand. Come on A, this is your chance to prove the existence of your designer (God).

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  99. on 02 Aug 2013 at 5:19 pm 99.Angus and Alexis said …

    “I already did as did many others.”

    Bullshit, link, comment number or other reference or it didnt happen.

  100. on 02 Aug 2013 at 5:27 pm 100.A said …

    For arguments sake, God is not provable. Now tell me why you believe in ToE when it cannot be proven with facts? Atheist are suppose to believe in what can be proven so what gives?

    Where? Proof of God?

    On other threads as well as from other posters.

    Where are the evolution lies? Lol!!! You named one, I added Dawkins and there are more. You should look into it if you plan to keep supporting it. HINT: Look into embryos.

    Now stop dodging by bringing up lying scientist and embellished drawings. Show us you know what evidence looks like.

    Agnus,

    I agree, can you get Frederick to give us a link to his uh, um “evidence”?

  101. on 02 Aug 2013 at 8:31 pm 101.alex said …

    “Now tell me why you believe in ToE”

    idiot, who the fuck believes in toe? what are you gonna ask next? who believes in the big bang? go fuck yourself and your god.

    who the motherfuck is asking you to believe in toe? this is an atheist, dipshit. prove your god, quit the fucking questions.

  102. on 03 Aug 2013 at 1:13 am 102.Angus and Alexis said …

    “For arguments sake, God is not provable. Now tell me why you believe in ToE when it cannot be proven with facts? Atheist are suppose to believe in what can be proven so what gives?”

    Irrelevant, ToE determines how biological diversity came to be, it does not describe the creation of everything, and it dos not talk to us.

  103. on 04 Aug 2013 at 5:40 pm 103.michelle said …

    to Alex.

    Why are you so angry?

    You have so much anger inside its as is you are crying our for help.

  104. on 04 Aug 2013 at 5:49 pm 104.michelle said …

    correction: it’s as if you are crying out for help.

  105. on 04 Aug 2013 at 7:07 pm 105.alex said …

    “You have so much anger inside…”

    you sound like a typical, presumptious theist. i have but scorn and intolerance for idiots. you’re confusing my language with anger when it’s exactly the opposite. i’m at peace with the universe, probably more than anybody in here. if diagnosed with a fatal disease, i will not seek treatment because i believe i’ve lived and consumed/used stuff, long enough. i will not hedge like you morons because the bullshit hell doesn’t scare me and heaven is ridiculous.

    why the fuck do you think i need help? is it because of the fucked up redemption card you fuckers love to play? you commit all kinds of shit and then you pray and your sins are washed away? gtfooh.

  106. on 04 Aug 2013 at 7:19 pm 106.A said …

    Michelle,

    We all know people like Alex. They yell and cuss at everyone in their path. Atheist live in a state of hopelessness. He is a very angry young man. None of us engage because it only encourages him and frankly he has nothing to say. It is sad to watch someone on a path to certain destruction.

  107. on 04 Aug 2013 at 7:29 pm 107.DPK said …

    “Atheist live in a state of hopelessness.”

    Says the troll who has been caught numerous times posting under numerous sock persona in a desperate attempt to validate himself.

    Another brick in the wall of things you think you know, but about which you are completely wrong.

    If atheists live in a state of hopelessness, then theist live in a state of false hope and ignorance. Which is worse? Each much choose for himself. I choose truth.

  108. on 04 Aug 2013 at 7:30 pm 108.alex said …

    “It is sad to watch someone on a path to certain destruction.”

    same path for all, you dumbass. you don’t engage, because all the shit you got is the fucking ocean swim, toe, and other fucked up diversion while masquerading in your different cowardly sock costumes.

    and what exactly do you bring to the table? nuttin, nada, cept diversions. i, otoh, call out your bullshit, time and time again. let’s hear it, what you got?

    here’s your next post:

    304.Michelle said…
    i fluff you, michelle. alex is an ass.

    oh, shit!

  109. on 05 Aug 2013 at 2:19 am 109.michelle said …

    Alex,

    who do you consider idiots?

    I also want to remind you that peace is also the state of harmony between people, calm and serene.

    And if you don’t think you are angry now, I wouldn’t want to see what your real anger is like.

  110. on 05 Aug 2013 at 3:08 am 110.alex said …

    “who do you consider idiots?”

    read the posts. it’s apparent.

    “I wouldn’t want to see what your real anger is like.”

    dude, as many times as the resident sock has been busted, i still tolerated him even as the other atheists said nyet. sure i get angry, but not enough to bomb an abortion clinic, not enough to try to ban gay marriages, not enough to burn the koran or the bible, and not enough to conduct religious wars. i get angry when idiot theists try elevate creationism as science when ANY SET of tests is a no contest. that’s right, draw up 50 tests and let’s see how science versus id stack up.

    i get angry when motherfuckers say i have no morals even though i react exactly like what any logical theist would do. care to give me a test?

  111. on 05 Aug 2013 at 8:13 am 111.Angus and Alexis said …

    “And if you don’t think you are angry now, I wouldn’t want to see what your real anger is like.”

    Perhaps burning abortion clinics, destroying embassy’s, blowing up buildings?

    Ohh wait, God said for theists to do that, shit…

    “I also want to remind you that peace is also the state of harmony between people, calm and serene.”

    Shame that global peace is nigh-impossible, and that humans are some of the least peaceful species on earth.

    “who do you consider idiots?”

    A for starters.

  112. on 05 Aug 2013 at 8:16 am 112.Angus and Alexis said …

    A barfed out…
    “We all know people like Alex. They yell and cuss at everyone in their path.”

    And?
    Is that it?
    Seriously?
    alex can swear his lungs out and yell until you cry.
    At least he isn’t taking orders from an imaginary sky daddy who commands him to kill others in his name.

  113. on 05 Aug 2013 at 11:04 am 113.A said …

    Michelle

    Lol, make sure you have armed guards if you meet an Alex. Intolerant haters like Alex are dangerous to themselves and anyone not like them. Make sure the children ate secure and cannot interact with him.

    Just ignore him like the rest of us.

  114. on 05 Aug 2013 at 11:23 am 114.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Lol, make sure you have armed guards if you meet an Alex. Intolerant haters like Alex are dangerous to themselves and anyone not like them.”

    No, ignorant haters are annoying.

    People who get commanded by imaginary sky daddies to kill people, burn buildings and convert others like some kind of sadistic virus are dangerous.

  115. on 05 Aug 2013 at 12:09 pm 115.alex said …

    “Intolerant haters like Alex are dangerous to themselves and anyone not like them.”

    ok, whatever. is this your god proof? nope, same ole bullshit from the same dipshit, resident sock. wouldn’t surprise at all if you’re michelle.

    michelle, please go to my site so i can see your ip, otherwise i’ll assume you’re “ass/martin/dipshit”.

  116. on 05 Aug 2013 at 1:38 pm 116.freddies_dead said …

    298.A said …

    For arguments sake, God is not provable. Now tell me why you believe in ToE when it cannot be proven with facts? Atheist are suppose to believe in what can be proven so what gives?

    The process of evolution i.e. the change in allele frequency in populations over time, is a fact – even you concede that evolution happens, you just think labelling it as micro-evolution prevents speciation happening. The theory of evolution attempts to explain how that change happens and is currently the best explanation of modern biodiversity. If you have a better one then go ahead and present it, your Nobel prize awaits.

    Better still we can discard the ToE and the floor is yours to present your case for the intelligent designer (God) that you think did it all. Just how did this designer (God) create the very first strand of DNA? Come on A, show us how God did it. Shut us all up with the brilliance of this designer (God). Of course you’ll need to start by proving said designer (God) exists, something we’ve all being asking you to do for a long time now.

    Where? Proof of God?

    On other threads as well as from other posters.

    Go on, give us a thread and a post number so we can see this proof of God.

    Where are the evolution lies? Lol!!! You named one, I added Dawkins and there are more. You should look into it if you plan to keep supporting it. HINT: Look into embryos.

    You did no such thing. I asked you to show us what lies you were talking about and why they are lies. You gave us nothing. Now you mention Dawkins but don’t tell us what lie he has told or why it’s a lie.

    Now stop dodging by bringing up lying scientist and embellished drawings. Show us you know what evidence looks like.

    I didn’t bring up Haeckel, you did, as you dodge and weave and refuse to give evidence for your intelligent designer (God).

    Agnus,

    I agree, can you get Frederick to give us a link to his uh, um “evidence”?

    The evidence for the question you asked was given on this thread back at post 137. You saw it but dismissed it without giving any valid reasons as to why. Then you started babbling about DNA – something you’ve continued ever since – as an extra diversion. You even got your ‘Ben’ sock-puppet to bring up an irrelevant objection which I refuted at the time.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  117. on 05 Aug 2013 at 3:41 pm 117.thorin said …

    304.DPK, read this.

    Post Author: Bill Pratt

    One of the most common objections to belief in God is the problem of evil. One form of the problem of evil sounds like this: “I can’t believe in a God who allows children to be sexually molested. If there was a God, He wouldn’t allow such things to occur.”

    I can understand the objection, and it’s an objection that all Christians have struggled with one time or another. However, there is a response to this challenge.

    The sexual molester has free will and has chosen to exercise that free will to commit an act of evil against another person. In fact, every human being has free will and makes choices every day to do good or evil. God has given each of us this power of choice.

    The objector wants God to take away the power of free choice from the molester to prevent him from doing evil. Even though this crime is particularly heinous, the objector must surely want God to stop a variety of other acts of evil as well. After all, why stop with child molestation when genocide, rape, and torture go on every day?

    The only way for God to stop all of these crimes, these acts of evil, is to remove the power of free will from every person. Some of you might say, “Wait a minute! I don’t commit these horrible crimes. Why do I have to lose my free will?” You may not commit these kinds of crimes, but you commit acts of evil every day, most likely. They are just more subtle.

    Do you lie? Do you steal? Do you gossip about other people? Are you committing adultery? If you don’t think that you ever do evil, just ask your spouse or a sibling. I’m sure they can provide some examples to you. The truth is that we all do bad things and that we are all capable of horrible crimes.

    So, if God is going to rid the world of moral evil he is going to have to take away every person’s free will first. Would you be willing to lose your power of free will to rid the world of evil? If not, then you can hardly blame God for the evil in the world. You must blame yourself. After all, when given the chance to rid the world of evil, you declined!

    If you would give up your free will, your ability to choose between good and evil, then I encourage you to become a Christian, because that’s exactly what Christians, in a sense, are doing. Christians acknowledge that the world would be a much better place if we would follow the one man who consistently chose good for his entire human life, Jesus Christ.

    When we submit to him, we are submitting our power of free choice to his direction and instruction. We are saying to Jesus, “We want to do what you did. We want to choose the way you chose, because you always chose good and never chose evil!” Instead of every day demanding that our own choices be paramount, we strive to subject our free will to him, and he gives us the power to live as he did.

    Our reward for submitting our free will to Jesus results in our spending eternity in heaven. In heaven, our free will is perfected, as we will always and forever only choose the good.

    Related posts:

    Who or What Is the Cause of Moral Evil?
    Does Man Have Free Will?
    Why Does a Good Creature Choose Evil?
    Of What Does Man’s Free Will Not Consist?
    Can God Know Our Future Free Actions?

    Categories: Evil, Pain, and Suffering, Free Will, Morality
    Tags: evil, Free Will, Jesus Christ, problem of evil

    – See more at: http://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2009/11/05/will-you-give-up-your-free-will-to-rid-the-world-of-evil/#sthash.VOuSqXba.dpuf

  118. on 05 Aug 2013 at 7:18 pm 118.A said …

    “even you concede that evolution happens, you just think labelling (sic) it as micro-evolution prevents speciation happening”

    Not my label, it is what it is called. Lack of evidence, hoaxes and creative drawings that keep me from believing. I’m ready to believe when proof is presented. You even admit indirectly you believe without proof. Why? Evolution “did it” is not a viable explanation, is it?

    137 now shows me you do not understand the nature of evidence. You refuse to ackowlesge the clear and very real problems evolution cannot begin to address.

  119. on 05 Aug 2013 at 7:20 pm 119.A said …

    Hey I have another ID, Michelle. I am just racking up the names.

    Sorry Michelle.

  120. on 05 Aug 2013 at 7:31 pm 120.alex said …

    “I’m ready to believe when proof is presented.”

    who gives a shit about you, you phony ass? just keep your shit to yourself and keep it out of the public classroom. meanwhile, science rules academia and all you can do is whine, but can’t do a damn thing.

    michelle, again, logon on to my website and we’ll see if you’re NOT one of the idiot’s socks.

  121. on 05 Aug 2013 at 8:06 pm 121.A said …

    Michelle,

    Ignore Alex, stay away from anything’s that predator is s part of. You are welcome here anytime. Besides, who gives a rip what Alex thinks. He is like the crazy uncle everyone avoids Lol!!!!!!

  122. on 05 Aug 2013 at 9:40 pm 122.alex said …

    “Ignore Alex, stay away from anything’s that predator is s part of.”

    this confirms what a dipshit you truly are. what am i predatoring? your dumbass is confusing my total contempt for your motherfucking sock, lying ass.

    lest we forget, you’ve been outed as martin, 40yearold, asshole, Alex, and numerous others. you think by pretending you’re eveybody else, this will divert attention from your lying ass?

    who else, but a shitfuck like you would post as martin or 40year old and refer to his own dumb motherfucking self? this is the paramount of stupidity. you’re not even smart enough to notice that your Browser Client is capitalizing “alex” when you tried to post as me.

    you got no credibility here, you fuck. your stupid lying posts are stored and you’ll always be the shit that’s been caught lying and has been outed many motherfucking times.

    go home, asshole.

  123. on 05 Aug 2013 at 9:51 pm 123.alex said …

    “Intolerant haters like Alex…”

    you don’t remember me telling you to chill your motherfucking ass when the other atheists are telling me to ignore you? i’m the intolerant?

    “He is a very angry young man.”
    “He is like the crazy uncle”

    which one am i, you fucking dipshit? your multiple personalities hazing up your viewpoint? as much as you’d like to ignore me, why you keeping bringing up my name? because my shit just strikes deep in your motherfucking ass, doesn’t it? the truth hurts. that’s why you cry like a bitch at funerals. you’ll never see your motherfucking relatives/loved ones. just like your hated atheists.

  124. on 06 Aug 2013 at 12:02 am 124.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Ignore Alex, stay away from anything’s that predator is s part of.”

    Yes, ignore the guy who despite knowing you are a complete sham, and will not answer questions, he will still be tolerant enough to try to talk some blasted sense into you.

    IMO, alex seems more tolerant (however rude…) than even DPK…

    So, A, have any proof of god?
    You know?
    So we can throw evolution out the window, give you a nobel prize and start praying to Odin, or Thor, or Allah, or whoever is “God”.

  125. on 06 Aug 2013 at 1:20 am 125.Ben said …

    Freddy,

    You bring up your post in #137 as evidence that macro evolution is true? I pointed out to you your claim is in error and disproven. At least be honest and do not cling to false claims.

  126. on 06 Aug 2013 at 1:40 am 126.alex said …

    “I pointed out to you your claim is in error and disproven.”

    in 295, he also said “And now people have also conceded (for the sake of argument) that the ToE is all wrong.”.

    is this your god proof, moron? if i say 1+2=4 and i’m wrong, does it mean 1+2=god?

    this is the same ole goalpost shift bullshit. keep hammering the same fucked up, regurgitated, brainwashed question over and over again, because you can’t help it. “you’re wrong, goddidit!”. “i doubt it, goddidit!”, “..but no, quackacroc, goddidit!”, and on, and on….

  127. on 06 Aug 2013 at 3:02 am 127.Anonymous said …

    [blockquote]
    “Here’s how this latest diversion works.

    He’ll demand you define the nature of evidence, he won’t produce any. He’ll then defy you to defend his straw-man argument that what you ask him to provide, you can’t either. He then claims that if you can’t satisfy HIS whims, he wins and he doesn’t have to present proof. Then he goes back to his standard diversions and round we go again.

    At some point he’ll either declare that he’s already presented evidence (he hasn’t) so he’s not going to repost it, or he’ll declare that you won’t accept his “evidence” so he’s not going to present it either.

    Note he responded to your request for his proof with a query regarding a third party diversion. It’s not his proof and he won’t present his proof.

    He’s already showing his dishonesty and game-plan of never answering your questions and accusing everyone-else of his own misdeeds.

    A / Cumudgeon / Ben / Biff / Martin / 40YA… no matter who he posts as, he’s a fucking troll and anyone looking at any of his threads can tell he has no intention of ever answering your questions or taking part in an honest conversation. All he’ll do is mock, taunt, and demand that people attend to his off-topic strawman arguments. He’ll mock this post, it’s what he does”[/blockquote]

    Groundhog day.

  128. on 06 Aug 2013 at 3:48 am 128.s0l0m0n said …

    Points to ponder.

    Don’t just simply say species evolutes. Study carefully how could it be possible.Let’s say, a same species of ape, scattered all over the earth.Do they all transformed at about the same time frame. Do they transformed from their genes state or from their existing physical state.
    One can readily accept if every living species is of its own design & build.There’s no whatsoever transformation either from their genes or physical state.

  129. on 06 Aug 2013 at 8:36 am 129.Angus and Alexis said …

    Anon.

    While yes, he is a useless troll, who will never get anywhere in a debate.

    To not debate fairly in turn would be most uncivilised, and would make us look no better.

    Please think of the poor troll, starving him would be so mean ;D

  130. on 06 Aug 2013 at 9:57 am 130.azreal said …

    will someone please explain why the theory of evolution, whether right or wrong has anything to do with god existing or not

    maybe it is wrong, and all of the other theories like the big bang etc. does it matter? just because we don’t know everything, why should that have any impact at all on whether a god, any god, exists? I really don’t understand the reasoning

  131. on 06 Aug 2013 at 11:19 am 131.freddies_dead said …

    315.A said …

    “even you concede that evolution happens, you just think labelling (sic) it as micro-evolution prevents speciation happening”

    Firstly, I’m English so labelling is correct.

    Not my label, it is what it is called.

    No, it’s all just evolution. You insist on drawing the distinction as if it automatically generates a barrier, however, you never explain exactly what that barrier might be or how it prevents micro becoming macro over time.

    Lack of evidence, hoaxes and creative drawings that keep me from believing.

    There is no lack of evidence. The hoaxes were uncovered by other scientists and the drawings are an irrelevance you bought up to try and divert the conversation once more.

    I’m ready to believe when proof is presented.

    The proof for evolution has been presented. That it does not confirm your bizarro made up version of ToE is irrelevant.

    You even admit indirectly you believe without proof.

    Believe in what without proof? And where have I done this?

    Why? Evolution “did it” is not a viable explanation, is it?

    I don’t recall ever stating “evolution did it” as any kind of explanation for anything. When I don’t have evidence to support an argument I state that I do not know.

    137 now shows me you do not understand the nature of evidence.

    You asked for evidence of evolution found using the scientific method. I presented Tiktaalik, a transitional fossil that displays characteristics of both fish and tetrapods. It was discovered when scientists observed the data to identify an area for investigation, formed a hypothesis which predicted where they would find what they were looking for and then went out and found what they had predicted. You can’t get much more “scientific method” than that. If you disagree then we need to know exactly what you mean when you use the term “scientific method”, as disagreement would suggest that it doesn’t fit any of the standard definitions.

    You refuse to ackowlesge the clear and very real problems evolution cannot begin to address.

    You haven’t yet identified any “very real problems evolution cannot begin to address” or even that evolution should address any such problems so there’s nothing for me to acknowledge as yet.

    Look A, you obviously believe you have a better explanation for modern biodiversity than the current theory of evolution so why do you refuse to actually present it?

    Oh wait, that’s right:

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  132. on 06 Aug 2013 at 11:23 am 132.freddies_dead said …

    322.Ben said …

    And, as if by magic, Ben appears…

    Freddy,

    You bring up your post in #137 as evidence that macro evolution is true?

    It is part of that evidence, yes, and it was found using the scientific method as you A requested.

    I pointed out to you your claim is in error and disproven.

    You did no such thing. That Tiktaalik is a transitional form showing both fish and tetrapod characteristics isn’t refuted simply because someone has found tracks which suggest that tetrapod characteristics may have originally emerged earlier that once thought. Have you somehow managed to demonstrate that Tiktaalik doesn’t have characteristics matching those of both fish and tetrapods? If not then how can you possibly say that you have disproven my claim?

    At least be honest and do not cling to false claims.

    Before attending to the mote in thy neighbor’s eye, attend to the beam in thine own you fucking hypocrite.

  133. on 06 Aug 2013 at 11:44 am 133.Angus and Alexis said …

    Im going to be boring and talk more about insanity of prayer…

    God is omnipotent, and hence has the ability to answer prayer regardless.
    Be it from “Make me a universe for myself…”
    To “cure my cancer please ;(”

    Lets assume god exists (he doesnt, obviously), the fact that god does not heal cancer victims, and give food to african children shows he is a diabolical, insane bastard, so you why would you worship him?
    Is it the stupid “Gift” of heaven? Which would suck, as you would never die, hence it would get boring…

    Or lets assume god does not exist, and prayer has no effect, perhaps that is why prayer makes stuff happen no more often than not prayer?

    Seriously, isnt it obvious?

  134. on 06 Aug 2013 at 2:42 pm 134.thorin said …

    Thomas, eventually GOD will cure all of the canser in the world, all wars will end, love will be everywhere.
    GOD will answer all of our prays, if you pray for good things to happen, such as love, world peace, happyness, kindness, and no more decease. GOD will only answer your prayers if your prayers are for good thing to happen.
    GOD may not give you these things right away. Some of these prayers you will have to wait to be answered, such as world peace. World peace will happen in the end of earth when we all go to heaven. No more sicknesses will also be answered at the end of earth. And all evil will be destroyed when we all go to heaven.
    Prays that ask for bad things to happen will not be answered. GOD will only

  135. on 06 Aug 2013 at 3:00 pm 135.Anonymous said …

    Of course it’s obvious. That’s why believers need to make up all sorts of convoluted, untestable, excuses.

    It would never do for them to admit that their god is as real as the tooth fairy but, unlike the tooth fairy, actually does fuck-all.

    p.s. For the really stupid such as Horatio the tooth fairy is played by your parents or guardian. Compare that with A, Ben, Curmudgeon, Martin, 40YA and his other sock-puppets, and you’ll see that Horatio is so stupid he can’t even make up characters that can do stuff.

  136. on 06 Aug 2013 at 6:06 pm 136.A said …

    Magically Frederick arrives as the mouse disappears. Lol!!!

    Ben,

    The claims about Tiktaalik are mere smokescreens, exaggerating mere tinkering around the edges while huge gaps remain unbridged by macroevolution. I’m sure the chicken is only a feathered dinosaur. No understanding of proof or the nature of proof

  137. on 06 Aug 2013 at 6:08 pm 137.A said …

    Ewwww!!!

    Now the vacationing Mousey is back. Great trick!

    lol!!!

  138. on 06 Aug 2013 at 6:31 pm 138.alex said …

    “..while huge gaps remain unbridged by macroevolution.”

    and of course the bullshit god is offered to fill in the gap. what a crocofuck!

  139. on 06 Aug 2013 at 7:09 pm 139.Anonymous said …

    “Or lets assume god does not exist, and prayer has no effect, perhaps that is why prayer makes stuff happen no more often than not prayer?

    Seriously, isnt it obvious?”

    It’s obvious, and only the deluded could think otherwise. So, why do you think people are so desperate to hang on to their bronze-age belief system?

  140. on 06 Aug 2013 at 11:12 pm 140.A said …

    Mouse-is-dead,

    No problem, prove God does not exist and I will become atheist.

    Should be simple since you, agnus and your alter ego state it is so evident. Look forward to the proof but hope you guys are much better with this than you were with macro evolution.

    lol !!! I like when little cults claim the majority of the world is deluded. It is so cute.

  141. on 06 Aug 2013 at 11:35 pm 141.michelle said …

    Alex,

    I would love to have a talk with you offline. There are too many fireworks going off here.

  142. on 06 Aug 2013 at 11:54 pm 142.Anonymous said …

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  143. on 07 Aug 2013 at 12:01 am 143.Angus and Alexis said …

    “I’m sure the chicken is only a feathered dinosaur.”

    Actually yes, it pretty much is.
    It has genes that when activated, grows teeth, a tail, and i have heard scales too.
    Although, it would merely be a mutated poor excuse of a dinosaur and would eat corn…

    “Should be simple since you, agnus and your alter ego state it is so evident. ”

    *sigh*

    Im deeply saddened on how stupid you are, or either how much of an asshole you are. Please spell peoples names correctly, you are making yourself look bad.

    And what alter ego state? I dont understand, i have one ego….

    “No problem, prove God does not exist and I will become atheist.”

    Thats not how the fucking burden of proof works you dumbshit.
    You want god to exist? Prove it, its up to you, not us, not the scientists, not bigfoot, it is YOUR responsibility.

    “I like when little cults claim the majority of the world is deluded. It is so cute.”

    Atheists arent even in a religion, so what cult are you talking about? Scientology?

    Secondly, majorities mean nothing, a majority of the earth thought it was flat.
    Guess who solved that dilemma? One single guy who questioned the world view.

    “Look forward to the proof but hope you guys are much better with this than you were with macro evolution.”

    You mean the macro evolution that we proved? That evidence proves? That a shit ton of scientists who make your standard man look dumb, proved?
    You must be talking about some other evolution, we proved this one ages ago.

    “Mouse-is-dead,”

    Actually, he/she is not, as you can see from above.

    “Magically Frederick arrives as the mouse disappears. Lol!!!”

    People arent here 24/7, and others take breaks, so far you are the only idiot who got himself caught sockpuppeting.

    “No understanding of proof or the nature of proof”

    I can imagine you only accepting proof if someone says it is “Divine”, a “miracle”, or the word from “GoD”

  144. on 07 Aug 2013 at 12:40 am 144.alex said …

    “I would love to have a talk with you offline.”

    go here: http://goo.gl/xSrQPV . put in an email and i will contact you. i am recording ips and i got the dimwit’s ip. if you’re him/her, i’ll know.

  145. on 07 Aug 2013 at 12:43 am 145.alex said …

    “I would love to have a talk with you offline.”

    go to wwgha.netne.net , put in an email and i will contact you. i am recording ips and i got the dimwit’s ip. if you’re him/her, i’ll know.

  146. on 07 Aug 2013 at 12:44 am 146.A said …

    Mousey!,

    Again? Another claim you make but cannot prove?

    (sigh!)

    When you claim there in no God this would include proof. You see mousey, the majority of the world believes in some sort of deity. This include some of the brightest and best. You might look into why sooooo many believe. I have provided some of that in the past, you can look it up.

    Let me know when you can disprove this deity or the sun or maybe, hey…..just prove nature programmed DNA.

  147. on 07 Aug 2013 at 12:47 am 147.alex said …

    “I would love to have a talk with you offline.”

    go register in the forum and pm/email me.

  148. on 07 Aug 2013 at 12:59 am 148.alex said …

    “You see mousey, the majority of the world believes in some sort of deity.”

    using your logic, the majority does NOT believe in your god, confirming the bullshit status of your god.

    “just prove nature programmed DNA.”

    ok, nature didn’t program it, you dipshit, you happy? your god did it? prove the shit, motherfucker. of course you can’t, meaning anything else could be the programmer.

  149. on 07 Aug 2013 at 2:06 am 149.michelle said …

    It’s sad listening to all these conversations and the challenge for one or the other to give proof that God exists and all the exhibits of scientific intellects and theories.

    No one can prove God to anyone.

  150. on 07 Aug 2013 at 2:28 am 150.DPK said …

    “No one can prove God to anyone.”

    At last, a true statement from (presumably) a theist. What a breath of fresh air. Now tell us please, Michelle, why do you think it is that no one can prove the existence of any gods?

  151. on 07 Aug 2013 at 2:48 am 151.A said …

    “No one can prove God to anyone.”

    Micelle I can name for you many who left atheism and became theists due to science and reason. One must be reasonable and be open to reason. I myself am a former atheist and a couple of friends did indeed play a part in my conversion.

    I would agree No one can disprove God to anyone.

  152. on 07 Aug 2013 at 2:53 am 152.michelle said …

    They have to prove god for themselves and correction – there are many imitations but there is only one true God.

  153. on 07 Aug 2013 at 3:23 am 153.DPK said …

    on 07 Aug 2013 at 2:53 am 342.michelle said …
    They have to prove god for themselves and correction – there are many imitations but there is only one true God.

    So, you know that your god is the only real one, and all the others are imaginary. Would that be accurate?

  154. on 07 Aug 2013 at 5:19 am 154.Anonymous said …

    Angus and Alexis, you are missing the reason why “a” can’t understand your answers.

    Don’t forget that his position is that a man was made from dust and a woman was made from a man’s rib, all by magic. He also is of the mindset that believes in talking snakes, people being turned into salt, slavery, mistreating women, and generally killing anyone who disagrees with you. Standard, of course, for his religion.

    If you want “a” to understand, then you need to present your argument in the form that fits the intellectual level of someone from the bronze age – that’s where his understanding is based.

    Probably you can’t dumb it down enough for a. So best let him get on with providing evidence for his sky-daddy.

  155. on 07 Aug 2013 at 7:21 am 155.Thomas said …

    Hey I’ve been reading a lot of your stuff on here about disproving God and I find everything awesome to read, I love to see perspective like this. Now I’m just 20 years old, I love gaining wisdom and knowledge from all sorts of people because I am young and have a lot left to learn that’s for sure. I have thought a lot about this post on prayer in particular. And you make so many solid points. I myself am a christian, prayer is so powerful to me, though I have seen so many of my prayers answered, I have seen many not answered as well. Sure the answered ones may be coincidence, and the not answered prayers can be pretty discouraging. But a lot of the times when a prayer isn’t answered I find God has something better to lay before me.
    You talk a lot about cancer, and I agree cancer sucks, I have family who have died from it even though I’ve prayed to God to get rid of that cancer in them. Some how God still let’s these good people fade from this world. But God had better things in store. When my great grandmother passed from cancer it was a heart wrenching time for my entire family. Some of us discouraged of why God would take such a wonderful woman from this world. But dispute that something so much more beautiful happened in the her passing. My family, who hardly saw each other at all got together for her funeral and our relationships with each other were restored. My family became so close not after her passing, and that cancer went from a burden to a beautiful thing that wouldn’t have happened other wise.
    Cancer is a ever so growing issue in our society, it takes young lives and it takes old lives. And when we pray for it to be eradicated God doesn’t eliminate it for some greater purpose which it serves. I don’t want to offend anybody who is fighting a battle with it or who knows somebody who is, cause cancer is awful, but God finds a great use for it. Millions of Americans, and people all over the world gather for relay for life, and other cancer fund raising programs all over the planet. Cancer is a bad thing that unifies people on a regular basis. Beautiful things have come from an awful disease.
    Now I’m not God I don’t nor will I ever understand his ways. I do not know what his intentions are but I do know he makes beautiful things out of everything. The point I am getting at is that from what I’ve seen God is mysterious, there is no point in trying to fully understand his ways, pray is our connection to God. Whether we are just talking to him, or whether we are asking him to do something for us. God hears I can promise you that. When you call on him his gonna come knocking at you door, but we gotta open that door to be able to see what he has for us. That’s how I see it.
    Thank you for all your articles though I do enjoy reading them. I’ve learned much from them and hope you keep on writing.
    Thanks, Thomas

  156. on 07 Aug 2013 at 9:51 am 156.Angus and Alexis said …

    “344.Anonymous said …”
    *snip*

    Yes, yes, i know, he believes in talking snakes and evil rib women, but i find it entertaining to debate anyway.

    “342.michelle said …”
    They have to prove god for themselves and correction – there are many imitations but there is only one true God.

    I know, allah is the best god ever, hes totally more real than that stupid odin of the norse… 9_9

    “It’s sad listening to all these conversations and the challenge for one or the other to give proof that God exists and all the exhibits of scientific intellects and theories.
    No one can prove God to anyone.”

    No one can prove the talking invisible leprechaun in my t-shirt drawer exists, now, please tell me with a smile “It exists”.
    If you cant prove it, and it has no impact on anything in the world, than you have every damned right to say it doesnt exist.

    A said.
    “Micelle I can name for you many who left atheism and became theists due to science and reason.”

    HA, atheism, shame it doesnt exist…
    Also, some one became a theist for reason? How ironic.

    “I would agree No one can disprove God to anyone.”

    In a debate, no one has to disprove anything.
    Burden of proof, read up mate.

  157. on 07 Aug 2013 at 11:21 am 157.A said …

    Actually, I prefer the iron age when the chariot dominated. Lol!! Bronze is just too soft like a Mouse head

    So, anyone gonna let us vast majority know why we are wrong? People change when EVIDENCE is presented.

    A good start would be a solid hypothesis on how DNA high information code was written by nature.

  158. on 07 Aug 2013 at 11:40 am 158.freddies_dead said …

    330.A said …

    Magically Frederick arrives as the mouse disappears. Lol!!!

    That’s all you’ve got? I note that, once again, you made no attempt to answer any of the questions asked of you. Why is that?

    Oh, yes, this:

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

    Ben,

    The claims about Tiktaalik are mere smokescreens,

    Smokescreens for what? You think paleontologists are hiding all the fossils that prove creation? Despite your point about the majority of the world being deluded … sorry religious? It seems your own delusion is really getting to you.

    exaggerating mere tinkering around the edges while huge gaps remain unbridged by macroevolution.

    To what “huge gaps” are you referring? DNA again? Google the evolution of DNA, educate yourself. While science doesn’t yet have a definitive answer it’s got better hypotheses that “God did it” – especially as there’s no evidence for said deity.

    I’m sure the chicken is only a feathered dinosaur.

    You’d be wrong – as usual. Chickens are birds. Birds may have evolved from dinosaurs but they aren’t dinosaurs themselves.

    No understanding of proof or the nature of proof

    An autobiographical statement. Thanks for conceding your ignorance.

  159. on 07 Aug 2013 at 2:09 pm 159.DPK said …

    Michelle, you seem like an earnest person who is able to conduct an honest discussion. Please ignore “A”. He is a troll who has proven over and over that he is not interested in an honest debate, There are things he does not want you to think about, and he will try to derail the discussion with straw men, red herrings, and irrelevant points in order to avoid answering the tough questions about his belief system. Just ignore him, he only wants yo sidetrack any actual discussion.

    Now, back to the subject you brought up. You said that no one can prove the existence of god. Each person must do that for himself. You also said there is only one true god, which I assume then means you think all the other gods that other people have “proven for themselves” are imaginary. Would that be an honest assessment of your position? Your god is real, and all the others currently believed in, as well as throughout human history, are not?
    D

  160. on 07 Aug 2013 at 5:26 pm 160.alex said …

    michelle, if you need to get a hold of me, go to wwgha.netne.net and enter your email.

  161. on 07 Aug 2013 at 6:15 pm 161.A said …

    Frederick,

    You claim the chicken is not a dinosaur but Agnus says it is a dinosaur. So which is it? Somebody is obviously wrong.

    Now Frederick will you now back up your claim by proving macro evolution is true? I am looking for the evidence you promised. We can then determine if you understand the nature of evidence. From that we can determine if you are ready to move on.

    You can answer with your sock if you like.

  162. on 07 Aug 2013 at 6:48 pm 162.Godeater said …

    A,
    diversions again? This is rather boring now. If you have nothing to contribute, please move on

  163. on 07 Aug 2013 at 11:42 pm 163.Angus and Alexis said …

    A said.
    “You claim the chicken is not a dinosaur but Agnus says it is a dinosaur. So which is it? Somebody is obviously wrong.”

    Hmm, lemme check what i said.

    Angus and Alexis said.
    “Actually yes, it pretty much is.
    It has genes that when activated, grows teeth, a tail, and i have heard scales too.”

    Please refer to the “pretty much is”, as you see, these words are synonyms of “Kinda” and “close to”. Also i got the information from the discovery channel, so honestly, i could be wrong.

    “Now Frederick will you now back up your claim by proving macro evolution is true?”

    Sorry mate, we solved it ages ago, only guys who dismiss it are ignorant theists.

    “We can then determine if you understand the nature of evidence.”

    Speciesation (sorry, not the best speller.) , DNA, mutations, fossils, rock ageing, lack of magic. microevolution.
    Please make god exist via using these.

    “You can answer with your sock if you like.”

    Freddie doesnt have a sock…you however seem to enjoy using your…7? socks.

    Any proof of jesus and sky daddy yet?

  164. on 08 Aug 2013 at 12:56 am 164.A said …

    “diversions again? This is rather boring now. If you have nothing to contribute, please move on”

    LOL!!! Unlike you who just added….??????

    Yawn!! another Freddie puppet.

    Agnus,

    Ummm, you just stated chicken are dinosaurs when we turn certain genes on. LOL!

    Oh how do we know what dino DNA looked like?

    You are hilarious Agnus.

  165. on 08 Aug 2013 at 12:58 am 165.A said …

    “Also i got the information from the discovery channel, so honestly, i could be wrong.”

    Yeah, yeah, just maybe. You are wrong a lot little guy. Try sources other than television my little dingo.

  166. on 08 Aug 2013 at 8:11 am 166.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Agnus,
    Ummm, you just stated chicken are dinosaurs when we turn certain genes on. LOL!
    Oh how do we know what dino DNA looked like?
    You are hilarious Agnus.”

    Let me see what i posted.

    Angus and Alexis said.
    “Actually yes, it pretty much is.
    It has genes that when activated, grows teeth, a tail, and i have heard scales too.
    Although, it would merely be a mutated poor excuse of a dinosaur and would eat corn…”

    Please refer to how i said “poor excuse” implying it ISNT a dinosaur.
    And yes, chickens do have genes that make them grow teeth and a tail, not a dinosaur, but remnants of what they used to be.

    So, any proof yet? Still trying to make some? Come on, we are waiting.

  167. on 08 Aug 2013 at 8:19 am 167.thomas said …

    Hey I’ve been reading a lot of your stuff on here about disproving God and I find everything awesome to read, I love to see perspective like this. Now I’m just 20 years old, I love gaining wisdom and knowledge from all sorts of people because I am young and have a lot left to learn that’s for sure. I have thought a lot about this post on prayer in particular. And you make so many solid points. I myself am a christian, prayer is so powerful to me, though I have seen so many of my prayers answered, I have seen many not answered as well. Sure the answered ones may be coincidence, and the not answered prayers can be pretty discouraging. But a lot of the times when a prayer isn’t answered I find God has something better to lay before me.
    You talk a lot about cancer, and I agree cancer sucks, I have family who have died from it even though I’ve prayed to God to get rid of that cancer in them. Some how God still let’s these good people fade from this world. But God had better things in store. When my great grandmother passed from cancer it was a heart wrenching time for my entire family. Some of us discouraged of why God would take such a wonderful woman from this world. But dispute that something so much more beautiful happened in the her passing. My family, who hardly saw each other at all got together for her funeral and our relationships with each other were restored. My family became so close not after her passing, and that cancer went from a burden to a beautiful thing that wouldn’t have happened other wise.
    Cancer is a ever so growing issue in our society, it takes young lives and it takes old lives. And when we pray for it to be eradicated God doesn’t eliminate it for some greater purpose which it serves. I don’t want to offend anybody who is fighting a battle with it or who knows somebody who is, cause cancer is awful, but God finds a great use for it. Millions of Americans, and people all over the world gather for relay for life, and other cancer fund raising programs all over the planet. Cancer is a bad thing that unifies people on a regular basis. Beautiful things have come from an awful disease.
    Now I’m not God I don’t nor will I ever understand his ways. I do not know what his intentions are but I do know he makes beautiful things out of everything. The point I am getting at is that from what I’ve seen God is mysterious, there is no point in trying to fully understand his ways, pray is our connection to God. Whether we are just talking to him, or whether we are asking him to do something for us. God hears I can promise you that. When you call on him his gonna come knocking at you door, but we gotta open that door to be able to see what he has for us. That’s how I see it.
    Thank you for all your articles though I do enjoy reading them. I’ve learned much from them and hope you keep on writing.
    Thanks, Thomas

  168. on 08 Aug 2013 at 8:59 am 168.Angus and Alexis said …

    God damnit!
    If your going to post, dont use the admins name…

  169. on 08 Aug 2013 at 9:00 am 169.Angus and Alexis said …

    Also, what is with A, the local idiot, fucking up peoples names all the time?
    Is he stupid?
    Or is he just an asshole?

  170. on 08 Aug 2013 at 9:15 am 170.freddies_dead said …

    350.A said …

    Frederick,

    You claim the chicken is not a dinosaur but Agnus says it is a dinosaur. So which is it?

    Your irrelevant diversion is noted.

    Somebody is obviously wrong.

    That would be you.

    Now Frederick will you now back up your claim by proving macro evolution is true?

    Already done.

    I am looking for the evidence you promised.

    Scroll up, you’ll find it. No doubt you’ll simply dismiss it again as it doesn’t confirm your bizarro version of the ToE, but that’s not my problem.

    We can then determine if you understand the nature of evidence.

    I do. It seems you’re struggling though.

    From that we can determine if you are ready to move on.

    Move on from what? Evolution is true, anyone who matters already accepts that. We’re just waiting for you to provide evidence that your God exists. You claim to have done so but can’t even give us a thread/post number where you’ve presented this evidence. Care to try anytime soon?

    You can answer with your sock if you like.

    Another autobiographical statement. We’re learning a lot about you this week A.

  171. on 08 Aug 2013 at 9:34 am 171.freddies_dead said …

    358.Angus and Alexis said …

    Also, what is with A, the local idiot, fucking up peoples names all the time?
    Is he stupid?
    Or is he just an asshole?

    All the evidence points to him being both stupid and and asshole. A proper twofer.

  172. on 08 Aug 2013 at 11:26 am 172.Angus and Alexis said …

    Damn, a stupid asshole…Thats like…really high up on the “failure of human being” scale…

    So, any thing to note “A”, we are still awaiting the god evidence.
    (Offtopic, Alexis is really damned smart(ish) now…)

  173. on 08 Aug 2013 at 11:35 am 173.A said …

    Thomas,

    Great insight young man. You made very good points, were not angry and your vocabulary is such you did not need to resort to profanity. Thanks for sharing your experience. Good wisdom there.

    Frederic, Agnus

    So you still can’t share why you exercise “Faith” to believe in something without proof? You are atheist!! Lol!!

  174. on 08 Aug 2013 at 11:40 am 174.freddies_dead said …

    367.thomas said …

    A lot of breathless waffle which demonstrates only how powerful confirmation bias can be. The fact that his prayers are “answered” in a manner that suggests that they’re not actually being answered at all seems to have escaped him entirely.

  175. on 08 Aug 2013 at 11:47 am 175.freddies_dead said …

    373.A said …

    Frederic, Agnus

    So you still can’t share why you exercise “Faith” to believe in something without proof?

    I suspect you’re on about evolution once more. Such a shame for you that the preponderance of evidence supports the theory so well that your accusation of “faith” is simply a lie that you are telling yourself as an excuse to remain ignorant. Good luck with that.

    You are atheist!!

    Why yes, yes I am. Well done for noticing.

    Lol!!

    Indeed.

  176. on 08 Aug 2013 at 12:12 pm 176.Angus and Alexis said …

    “So you still can’t share why you exercise “Faith” to believe in something without proof?”

    As a great quote goes.
    Faith is believing in something you know aint true.

    Not that we have faith, as we have proof, and know it is true.

    “Thomas” said.
    ” And when we pray for it to be eradicated God doesn’t eliminate it for some greater purpose which it serves.” (referring to cancer)

    Sorry to say, but that is EFFED up, cancer is not good…at all…
    Its one of those things that could literally be cured, and there would be no bad (also looking at you HIV). The fact that an omnipotent being does not cure it/remove it, implies he is an insane bastard who likes suffering.

    “I don’t want to offend anybody who is fighting a battle with it or who knows somebody who is, cause cancer is awful, but God finds a great use for it.”

    I have had several people die from cancer that i know, and loved, fuck you, and your god. Second thing to note, one was a muslim, other was a christian.

    “My family became so close not after her passing, and that cancer went from a burden to a beautiful thing that wouldn’t have happened other wise.”

    You equate family coming together to be greater in goodness than a death by cancer being bad.
    You are one messed up mofo if you think social interaction is greater than human life.

    “You talk a lot about cancer, and I agree cancer sucks, I have family who have died from it even though I’ve prayed to God to get rid of that cancer in them. ”

    Maybe, just MAYBE, its because instead of god not answering the prayers, its because he doesnt exist, and prayer is nonexistent?
    What a shocker.

    “I myself am a christian, prayer is so powerful to me, though I have seen so many of my prayers answered, I have seen many not answered as well.”

    Let me correct that.

    I myself am a deluded idiot, prayer is not real, i have merely seen the natural order of events that are completely random, or based on algorithms.

    Good, no?

    “Now I’m just 20 years old, I love gaining wisdom and knowledge from all sorts of people because I am young and have a lot left to learn that’s for sure.”

    I can advise a few things, give up god, read about biology, physics and newtons laws.
    If that fails to get you, all is lost…

  177. on 08 Aug 2013 at 2:43 pm 177.A said …

    ” preponderance of evidence supports the theory”

    Awesome! I want to believe. Pick one and share it then er can determine if you believe based on fact or faith.

    You are not afraid are you?

  178. on 08 Aug 2013 at 3:27 pm 178.42 said …

    A you really are iritating with your willful ignorance. Please stop with the irrelevant diversions and engage in reasonable debate, you might learn something.

    Im an atheist and the TOE seems a reasonable theory to me (a theory isn’t the same as a proven fact), if it’s not right and a better solution comes up, that’d be fine with me. Please explain how the TOE has any bearing on your god (amongst all the thousands of others) exsisting.

    Also, please give us any evidence that this god exsists or that prayer works. it’s no good to say it must because lots of other people agree with you.

    I don’t believe on a deity because i don’t see any need to believe, can you let me know what I’m not seeing?

  179. on 08 Aug 2013 at 4:08 pm 179.DPK said …

    Looks like Michelle and Thomas are another pair of hit and run believers that love to drop in and spew their nonsense but refuse to discuss or defend it. How typical.

  180. on 08 Aug 2013 at 7:11 pm 180.Curmudgeon said …

    “preponderance of evidence supports the theory”

    Evidence does not support anything, it is neutral. Man comes in to interprets bringing their own biases and presuppositions. Macroevolution has become the holy grail among the University elite and adherence is mandatory. Have a friend who received her PHd at a highly regarded University and she hid her own disbelief her entire time in the program. Dissent and discussion has been eliminated. Ironic that this is supposedly a truth yet we must attempt to force belief on the people.

  181. on 08 Aug 2013 at 11:54 pm 181.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Evidence does not support anything”

    Ahh contre, guns cant kill people, people kill people with guns.

    Same with evidence, evidence cannot prove anythig, but people prove anything with evidence ;P

  182. on 08 Aug 2013 at 11:57 pm 182.Angus and Alexis said …

    “377.A said …
    ” preponderance of evidence supports the theory”
    Awesome! I want to believe. Pick one and share it then er can determine if you believe based on fact or faith.
    You are not afraid are you?”

    I know this is futile, and it aint gonna work anyway.
    But screw it.

    Evidence?
    Okay.
    Fossils, carbon dating, known accounts of micro evolution, DNA mutations, order of fossils from single celled critters to more advanced organisms, “Survival of the fittest.

    Ohh well, atleast i tried.

  183. on 08 Aug 2013 at 11:58 pm 183.alex said …

    “379.Curmudgeon said …”

    blah, motherfucking blah. anybody here give 2 shits about evolution? it’s a fucking sideshow, a byproduct of the other bullshit you motherfuckers keep bringing up. already told ya, let’s just say ALL atheists are full of shit. didn’t do a motherfucking thing for your bullshit god, did it?

    what else ya got, dipshit? ocean swimming? obama? pascal? you ain’t got shit, so you keep bringing up diversions and i’ll keep calling you out, fuckhead.

  184. on 09 Aug 2013 at 12:00 am 184.DPK said …

    The thing about science is, truth is true whether you happen to believe it or not. The earth has always been round, despite the fact that at one time everyone on the planet believed it flat. Same with the process of evolution.
    Now that we have once again been sidetracked by Stan and the sock army with meaningless off topic diversions… is anyone going to try to present any evidence that prayer has an effect on the physical world, and that that effect is caused by some supernatural god who answers them?

  185. on 09 Aug 2013 at 12:09 am 185.A said …

    “The thing about science is, truth is true whether you happen to believe it or not”

    Absolutely! however science is not in the business of truth. Science most of the time is in the business of what they can prove at the moment. Dippy ate you really thus ignorant? Lol!!!

    No matter how many times you say the words fossils, carbon dating, organisms and lol!!!! Critters, they still ate NOT evidence. It is funny stuff though.

    I do value truth tremendously. Still wondering why atheists, these who only believe facts, still cling to a faith based belief like ToE?

    Agnus is young and naive so I can give her a pass.

  186. on 09 Aug 2013 at 12:12 am 186.A said …

    Why did ol Aggie go on a gun and Jeopardy rant?

    lol!!!!!!!!

  187. on 09 Aug 2013 at 2:37 am 187.alex said …

    as usual, the predictable, idiot ass/martin/40year blabbers his irrelevant shit, while waiting for his porn to load. i’ll continue to curse your motherfucking bullshit ass, just like i curse your bible carrying cousins who continually harass my neighborhood.

  188. on 09 Aug 2013 at 4:57 am 188.thomas said …

    Let me clarify on my earlier post, I don’t think cancer is a good thing , I don’t think HIV is good, I don’t think death is good. And I didn’t say I valued my relationship with my family over my grandmothers life. What I am saying is that things like disease and death are inevitable facts of life. And I’m deeply sorry for those who have lost loved ones. We all get sick, and we all die. These are two facts of being human. God aside. These tragic things do happen its just up to every last one of us to find the good when things go bad.
    I’m not bashing anybodies beliefs, by all means believe in God, believe in prayer, or don’t. I’m not going to hate on anybody for that. You all have valuable opinions.
    I am a biology major, requires a couple physics classes, and I know newtons laws by heart. I live to study and learn about this amazing earth we live on. Science doesn’t prove or disprove God to me, but when I learn more biology and physics the more I see a beautiful creation formed by an even more beautiful creator. I’m sorry if this for you means “all is lost” and maybe I’m wasting my time with God, though I am confident I’m not, but shoot if I get to the end and I’m wrong, at least I’ve been a positive, more loving person through this belief, and that is not a tragedy. I’ll be going in the ground with every body else. But if I’m right then God has some good things coming to me.
    God doesn’t tell me to force my beliefs on people he just tells me not to be shy about them, your beliefs are up to you and I commend you for fighting for those beliefs. God imaginary or not has done good things for me and I don’t have to prove his existence to go on living strongly and passionately for him. If you wanna say f**k God, I won’t stop you. But heres one prayer I hope God does answer, I pray that regardless of your beliefs you all find GOOD things and peace in this world that is filled with so many bad things.

    Thanks

  189. on 09 Aug 2013 at 5:27 am 189.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Science doesn’t prove or disprove God to me”

    Then use MOAR science.
    Seriously, if you cant disprove magic with science, your probably trying to make a chemical reaction with sodium and water at best.

    “But if I’m right then God has some good things coming to me.”

    Pascals wager is not valid…at all…we have done this a shit ton of times…

    “God doesn’t tell me to force my beliefs on people”

    Mind if you tell other theists that?
    It would stop a shit ton of children being brainwashed…

    “But heres one prayer I hope God does answer, I pray that regardless of your beliefs you all find GOOD things and peace in this world that is filled with so many bad things.”

    Prayer denied, peace is impossible, and prayer doesnt work. Resistance is futile.

    “I don’t have to prove his existence to go on living strongly and passionately for him.”

    But you DO have to prove him to save…you know…
    EVERY FUCKING PERSON ON EARTH WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IN HIM…
    Although, he doesnt exist, and thus proving is impossible…

  190. on 09 Aug 2013 at 10:10 am 190.freddies_dead said …

    377.A said …

    ”preponderance of evidence supports the theory”

    Awesome! I want to believe. Pick one and share it then er can determine if you believe based on fact or faith.

    I already did. You dismissed it as it doesn’t confirm your bizarro version of the ToE and, like I’ve already said, that’s not my problem.

    You are not afraid are you?

    Of what? You have nothing to scare anyone with and neither does your imaginary God.

  191. on 09 Aug 2013 at 10:28 am 191.freddies_dead said …

    379.Curmudgeon said …

    “preponderance of evidence supports the theory”

    Evidence does not support anything, it is neutral.

    Odd then, that the definition is (from dictionary.com): that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.

    You are confusing evidence with facts, which are neutral, but may be used as evidence.

    Man comes in to interprets bringing their own biases and presuppositions.

    And? This does not change the facts one iota. And the facts when given as evidence overwhelmingly support the theory of evolution as the best explanation of biological diversity.

    You think you have a better explanation? Then present the facts and evidence that you think support it.

    Macroevolution has become the holy grail among the University elite and adherence is mandatory.

    Unlike your Holy Grail evolution has been shown to exist.

    Have a friend who received her PHd at a highly regarded University and she hid her own disbelief her entire time in the program.

    Good for her.

    Dissent and discussion has been eliminated.

    There’s nothing to discuss. Evolution has all the evidence and you’ve got … well … nothing. You want to get back in the game? Give us your evidence for the existence of your God and then show how He bought about the current state of affairs.

    Ironic that this is supposedly a truth yet we must attempt to force belief on the people.

    No-one’s forcing you to believe anything as your PhD anecdote clearly shows. You’re free to remain as ignorant as you want but, if you want to argue the toss, then you need to bring evidence to the table – got any to present?

  192. on 09 Aug 2013 at 10:47 am 192.freddies_dead said …

    387.thomas said …

    Another load of confirmation bias followed by:

    but shoot if I get to the end and I’m wrong, at least I’ve been a positive, more loving person through this belief, and that is not a tragedy. I’ll be going in the ground with every body else. But if I’m right then God has some good things coming to me.

    Ooooh, look, it’s Pascal’s wager. Like we haven’t heard that one before. Which, out of the thousands of Gods throughout history, is the right one thomas? What if you’ve picked the wrong God? What if the “real” God doesn’t care about you being good but really hates it when you pick the wrong God? What if the “real” God doesn’t mind when people don’t believe because there isn’t any evidence or a convincing argument? That’s us atheists in paradise while you suffer eternal torment. Also why should I feign belief when I see no evidence to support that belief? Is your God so stupid as to be fooled by insincere belief?

    No thomas, you can shove your false dichotomy.

  193. on 09 Aug 2013 at 12:22 pm 193.A said …

    Thomas,

    I was discussing Pascal yesterday with some students but on another topic. Atheist hate the wager but looked at from the point of logic is true and it is solid. It could be atheist cannot grasp the concept since he was highly intelligent.

    Atheist place all their faith in nature, the great programmer AND designer. How crazy is that? Thomas don’t let the personal attacks bother you. They hate happy people.

  194. on 09 Aug 2013 at 12:41 pm 194.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Atheist place all their faith in nature, the great programmer AND designer. How crazy is that? Thomas don’t let the personal attacks bother you. They hate happy people.”

    Alright then, if you want to play it that way.

    Who DID design and program everything?

    Of course said thing must obey the laws of physics and the conservation of energy and matter.

    Come on, speak up.

  195. on 09 Aug 2013 at 12:57 pm 195.Angus and Alexis said …

    “I was discussing Pascal yesterday with some students but on another topic. Atheist hate the wager but looked at from the point of logic is true and it is solid. It could be atheist cannot grasp the concept since he was highly intelligent.”

    What if atheists are right?
    They die and nothing happens.
    If god exists, and god is as loving as he is stated (he isnt, because he likes slaves, famines, plagues and killing literally everything on earth, barring a few of each species) then atheists also have nothing to fear, as god would forgive.

    I mean seriously, what “GREAT OMNIPOTENT BEING OF UNLIMITED POWER” would send its creation to eternal peril because it forgot to tell them it existed?

    Or for that matter, how does a rib woman eating a fruit of “Knowledge (Wtf?)” make a shit ton of evil stuff happen?

    And then there are trivial things like how noahs flood is impossible, and how the idea of “magic” is somehow valid (it isnt.)

    Anything else A?
    We are still waiting for that evidence.

  196. on 09 Aug 2013 at 2:00 pm 196.alex said …

    “I was discussing Pascal yesterday…”

    more regurgitated crap.

    try this atheist wager: god only sends idiot dipshits who believe in the WRONG god — to hell. read it and weep, moron.

    “Thomas don’t let the personal attacks bother you.”

    yeah, say that to the mormons i thoroughly cussed out when they knocked on my door.

  197. on 09 Aug 2013 at 2:19 pm 197.Angus and Alexis said …

    “yeah, say that to the mormons i thoroughly cussed out when they knocked on my door.”
    XD
    I hate those guys.
    Always like “take a bible” and shit…

  198. on 09 Aug 2013 at 4:13 pm 198.A said …

    Proof for God?

    I already did. Atheists dismissed it as it doesn’t confirm their bizarro version of the ToE and, like I’ve already said, that’s not my problem.

    You could also list these as more proof.

    fossils
    carbon dating
    information theory
    physics
    mathematics
    critters lol!!!

  199. on 09 Aug 2013 at 4:15 pm 199.A said …

    There we go. God meets the same standard of proof atheists use for ToE.

  200. on 09 Aug 2013 at 4:16 pm 200.alex said …

    “I already did. Atheists dismissed it”

    i’m with ya. damn atheists dismissed ra and thor. our gods rule, eh?

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