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Christianity &Islam Thomas on 06 Jul 2013 12:04 am

The insanity of Christianity: Prayer edition

This article starts with the following inspirational paragraph:

Have you ever known someone who really trusts God? When I was an atheist, I had a good friend who prayed often. She would tell me every week about something she was trusting God to take care of. And every week I would see God do something unusual to answer her prayer. Do you know how difficult it is for an atheist to observe this week after week? After a while, “coincidence” begins to sound like a very weak argument.

Doesn’t that sound exciting? “Every week I would see God do something unusual to answer her prayer.”

If this is true, why doesn’t she pray to end cancer worldwide? Why doesn’t she pray to end world hunger? If God will do something unusual every week to answer her prayers, why not pray for something that will substantially improve life on earth for everyone? This is where the insanity comes in, as seen in this paragraph:

For those who do know him and rely on him, Jesus seems to be wildly generous in his offer: “If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.”5 To “remain” in him and have his words remain in them means they conduct their lives aware of him, relying on him, listening to what he says. Then they’re able to ask him whatever they want. Here is another qualifier: “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us — whatever we ask — we know that we have what we asked of him.”6 God answers our prayers according to his will (and according to his wisdom, his love for us, his holiness, etc.).

What is hard to understand about, “ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you”? But it never happens when praying for anything real like a worldwide cure for cancer. Now a Christian has to explain why Jesus would say something that is wrong. So they say, “God answers our prayers according to his will (and according to his wisdom, his love for us, his holiness, etc.)” Which is to say that God answers zero prayers of substance. This is the insanity. Christians believe that God answers prayers, even though God never, ever answers concrete prayers that would improve life for everyone.

1,162 Responses to “The insanity of Christianity: Prayer edition”

  1. on 07 Jul 2013 at 2:49 am 1.Ichuck7 said …

    This drives me crazy. They will state that unanswered prayers are not according to his will. Wait, what? It’s not his will to cure cancer? Why the hell not?

  2. on 07 Jul 2013 at 3:10 am 2.alex said …

    it did cure cancer! some cancer survivors were the direct beneficiary of prayers. never mind that the prayed cancer survival rate is the same as the non-prayed ones. and if the person dies, it’s not in god’s will. fuck the prayer. it’s just showboating. pray in your damn closet and quit the tebow righteousness.

  3. on 07 Jul 2013 at 5:59 am 3.The messenger said …

    Thomas, eventually GOD will cure all of the canser in the world, all wars will end, love will be everywhere.

    GOD will answer all of our prays, if you pray for good things to happen, such as love, world peace, happyness, kindness, and no more decease. GOD will only answer your prayers if your prayers are for good thing to happen.

    GOD may not give you these things right away. Some of these prayers you will have to wait to be answered, such as world peace. World peace will happen in the end of earth when we all go to heaven. No more sicknesses will also be answered at the end of earth. And all evil will be destroyed when we all go to heaven.

    Prays that ask for bad things to happen will not be answered. GOD will only

  4. on 07 Jul 2013 at 6:11 am 4.The messenger said …

    Thomas, there is one thing that you must know.

    GOD will only answer your prayers if you try hard to follow his laws and are kind, loving, forgiving, and humble.

    If you are hateful and then prayed for a sick person to get well and that person is healed, it is not in responce to your prayer, it means that someone else was praying for that sick person.

  5. on 07 Jul 2013 at 8:14 pm 5.Matt said …

    Forget curing Cancer, We should ask to be immortal. Of course it wont happen.

  6. on 07 Jul 2013 at 10:27 pm 6.Anonymous said …

    Matt
    “Forget curing Cancer, We should ask to be immortal. Of course it wont happen.”

    OK. Other than the creation of everything, where has god been seen to be at work? Does god channel through televangelists, pun intended? Faith healers? What about Benny Hinn?

  7. on 07 Jul 2013 at 10:28 pm 7.The messenger said …

    5.Matt, we are immortal.

    Our souls will never die.

  8. on 07 Jul 2013 at 10:35 pm 8.The messenger said …

    6.Anonymous, I see GOD at work everyday.

    This world is full of so much greed, laziness(liberal idiot like Obama who want the government to take care of them), murders, thiefs, and liars(like Obama). Despite all of that corruption I still see some good, kind, forgiving, loving people in the world.

    How could any thing good exist in this world unless GOD put it there?

  9. on 07 Jul 2013 at 11:02 pm 9.alex said …

    “Other than the creation of everything..”

    total hearsay. who wrote the shit?

  10. on 08 Jul 2013 at 1:58 am 10.Fluttershy said …

    “Our souls will never die.”

    Also, i have to note that immortality does indeed exist, the water hydra is biological immunity to ageing ;P

    “This world is full of so much greed, laziness(liberal idiot like Obama who want the government to take care of them), murders, thiefs, and liars(like Obama).”

    I blame it on technology, over population and your average human mind.

    “And all evil will be destroyed when we all go to heaven.”

    So that means us atheists are cool then?
    Being that we will all go to heaven? (not that i would want to.)
    Unless you exclude us as humans.

  11. on 08 Jul 2013 at 2:25 am 11.alex said …

    “liberal idiot like Obama”

    you mean your christian brother like obama? why must you insist on irrelevant shit. focus on prayin, motherfucker. pray for rain here in texas.

  12. on 08 Jul 2013 at 4:37 am 12.The messenger said …

    10.Fluttershy, there is no such thing as ordinary. We are all unique.

    You are like a stubern little kid. You always Blame everyone and everything but your self. Mankind is corrupted because the hate and arrogance of mass murrdering atheists like Stalin, Mao, the king of socialism Karl Marx, and many others.

    GOD will even let Athiest into heaven, weather they like it or not.

    You will like it.

  13. on 08 Jul 2013 at 4:38 am 13.The messenger said …

    11.alex, Obama lies too much to be a true Christian.

  14. on 08 Jul 2013 at 6:12 am 14.Fluttershy said …

    Or australia, we need more rain…

  15. on 08 Jul 2013 at 12:07 pm 15.freddies_dead said …

    3.The messenger said …

    Thomas, eventually GOD will cure all of the canser in the world, all wars will end, love will be everywhere.

    Why the fuck do we have to wait for this? Why couldn’t your supposedly perfect God create a world without cancer and wars? Is He that much of an idiot?

    GOD will answer all of our prays, if you pray for good things to happen, such as love, world peace, happyness, kindness, and no more decease. GOD will only answer your prayers if your prayers are for good thing to happen.

    Yeah, I’ll just have to wait till I die for any of those prayers to be answered. How typically useless of your god.

    GOD may not give you these things right away. Some of these prayers you will have to wait to be answered, such as world peace. World peace will happen in the end of earth when we all go to heaven. No more sicknesses will also be answered at the end of earth. And all evil will be destroyed when we all go to heaven.

    Why did your God create evil in the first place? If He exists He’s a massive douchebag.

    Prays that ask for bad things to happen will not be answered. GOD will only

    Bullshit, if I pray for bad things – tornadoes, earthquakes, priests raping children – my prayers will be answered. Is it just that your God is such a huge douchebag that he likes to watch that shit happen? Or is it because the fucker simply doesn’t exist?

  16. on 08 Jul 2013 at 2:13 pm 16.DPK said …

    had to chuckle because Messenger calling the President of the US an idiot is kinda like Mitt Romney calling Jay-Z a cracker.

  17. on 08 Jul 2013 at 2:14 pm 17.Fluttershy said …

    http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/214440-scumbag-christian

    i found this true, and funny ;D

  18. on 08 Jul 2013 at 8:46 pm 18.The messenger said …

    15.freddies_dead, GOD did not want us to automatically be perfect. He wants us to be flawed and he wants us to overcome the test of life and gradually become perfect.

    GOD could make a perfect world, but life on earth would not be very interesting if we did not have some conflict, or some goal to achieve.

    GOD will not answer prayers that ask for evil.

    GOD likes to see us overcome evil, and become perfect.

  19. on 08 Jul 2013 at 8:47 pm 19.Matt said …

    Calling Obama an idiot is an insult to idiots everywhere. Of course he is a god believer so we all shouldn’t be surprised.

  20. on 08 Jul 2013 at 11:17 pm 20.A said …

    Yawn!

    Same old recycled, disproven and dismissed atheist theology. Will atheists develop anything original? It is like the American Atheists group who can’t get by skydaddy and Maria O’Hair stupidity. Yes, they would like us to forget their spiritual founder Mrs O’Hair! Lol!!

  21. on 09 Jul 2013 at 12:24 am 21.Fluttershy said …

    “. Will atheists develop anything original? ”

    But what about the Aussies? We are people too.

    Anyway, why would god allow bad things to happen to good people but help bad people in ways?

  22. on 09 Jul 2013 at 2:41 am 22.alex said …

    “Same old recycled, disproven and dismissed atheist theology.”

    the non-belief in your bullshit god is rock solid and has stood the test of time. you got anything to say, motherfucker? other than your fucked up bible with all the stolen shit from other religions, you got nothing, bitch.

    no matter how many times you assholes say it, there is NO, NONE, NADA, ZIP atheist theology. you think there is? list them, you dipshit and let’s see all the atheists pledge their allegiance.

  23. on 09 Jul 2013 at 2:55 am 23.The messenger said …

    16.DPK, Obama gave trials to terrorists, he tried to use drones to target and kill Americans without giving them trials, and he repeatedly said that the “free Health care bill” was not a tax, but in his final speech before it was put into place, he stated that it was a tax.

    He is not a Christian, he is a liar.

  24. on 09 Jul 2013 at 4:10 am 24.Fluttershy said …

    Hmmm i copied the wrong part of A’s comment…
    I was reffering to “It is like the American Atheists group”

  25. on 09 Jul 2013 at 2:20 pm 25.Angus and Alexis said …

    Fluttershy here, under new name, for my tulpa…

    Any Theists willing to spill the beans about prayer?

  26. on 09 Jul 2013 at 6:12 pm 26.DPK said …

    I’ll save you the trouble… here is “the beans” about prayer. You can get the exact same results by praying to me. Try it… pray to DPK for something you really want. One of three things will happen.
    1. You will get what you asked, meaning I granted your request because I am kind and loving, you are good, and it was in accordance with my will.
    2. You will not get what you asked, which means I decided that what you want was either not in accordance with my will, was actually not the best thing for you, or I am punishing you for something bad you did.
    or 3. Something else will happen, which means I decided that my idea was better than yours. Even if this something is terrible and horrible, you must trust that I know better than you and it will all be for the best.

    There you have it. I promise one of these 3 things will ALWAYS happen… just like it does when you pray to Jesus. Nothin’ to answering prayers… if I can do it, anyone can.

  27. on 09 Jul 2013 at 10:19 pm 27.The messenger said …

    26.DPK, GOD will answer our prayers if we follow his laws and his teachings.

    If we break his laws he will not answer our prayers.

    GOD can answer prayers, DPk cannot.

  28. on 10 Jul 2013 at 12:27 am 28.40 Year Atheist said …

    The idea of prayer and whether it “works”, while often a topic of Atheist discussion, has no bearing on the existence of a rational First Cause for the universe, i.e. a deity. So I don’t usually post about such things. But I did accept the challenge of trying to find a study that empirically measures the effect, if any, of prayer. This is not difficult, anyone can google up studies of this and that.

    And I did find studies that have found a positive correlation between prayer and healing. There is enough now that even the NIH has commissioned a study. Predictably, skeptics have attacked the validity of the tests, even though they include double-blind, controlled testing.

    But I did find one salient study that eliminates the human element in terms of the suspicious God Spot in the human brain argument. This research was performed on the effect of intercessory prayer on animals (non-human primates).

    The study is here, an NIH site

    I will reproduce here the results, you can go to the site for details.
    The effect of intercessory prayer on wound healing in nonhuman primates.

    RESULTS: Following IP/L-tryptophan treatment, prayer-group animals had a reduction in wound size compared to non-prayer animals (P=.028). Prayer-group animals had a greater increase in red blood cells (P=.006), hemoglobin (P=.01), and hematocrit (P=.018); a greater reduction in both mean corpuscular hemoglobin (P=.023) and corpuscular volume (P=.008); and a reduction in wound grooming (P=.01) and total grooming behaviors (P=.04) than non-prayer-group animals. CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study are consistent with prior human trials of IP effectiveness, but suggest IP-induced health improvements may be independent of confounds associated with human participants. Findings may provide direction for study of the mechanisms of IP-induced health improvements in both human and animal models.

    PMID: 17131981 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]

  29. on 10 Jul 2013 at 1:18 am 29.Anonymous said …

    And Stan shows his utter dishonesty once again.

    So when studies involving thousands of actual people show intercessory prayer does not work or, indeed, people who were being prayed for got worse – the dishonest Stan ignores evidence that doesn’t fit his biased views.

    Instead, he latches on to a study of 22 bush babies, run by someone who has a bias in the area, and that study, even though he hasn’t read past the abstract, proves prayer works?

    What a fucking idiot.

  30. on 10 Jul 2013 at 1:34 am 30.A said …

    40YA,

    Great article. By the NIH no less. Just another hole in the atheist sail.

  31. on 10 Jul 2013 at 1:46 am 31.alex said …

    “Just another hole in the atheist sail”

    more like a pinprick, you dipshit. about the size of you theist brain.

    you fluff and i curse ya. even steven?

  32. on 10 Jul 2013 at 2:21 am 32.Anonymous said …

    “a” please explain if prayer is claimed to help a hand-full of bush babies heal from self-inflicted wounds, why your god doesn’t heal amputees?

  33. on 10 Jul 2013 at 3:13 am 33.Angus and Alexis said …

    *sigh*

    Prayer has already been disproven several times in recorded and validated tests.
    Unless god decided to be an asshole and not answer the prayers just so that it would confuse us, it is proven that prayer has no more power than asking stuff from a milk jug.

    Yes, No, and Wait is what some christian websites state happens with prayer.

    But if you look at those 3 words and add them up, it equates to “Something will eventually happen” meaning that if i ask a bowl of skittles “Make my lottery ticket win” it will answer it just like asking god “Make my lottery ticket win”…

  34. on 10 Jul 2013 at 11:24 am 34.freddies_dead said …

    25.40 Year Atheist said …

    The idea of prayer and whether it “works”, while often a topic of Atheist discussion, has no bearing on the existence of a rational First Cause for the universe

    Theists are excluded from the discussion on rational First Causes as the one they propose is inherently irrational.

  35. on 10 Jul 2013 at 2:12 pm 35.Angus and Alexis said …

    “The idea of prayer and whether it “works”, while often a topic of Atheist discussion, has no bearing on the existence of a rational First Cause for the universe”

    But it disproves god, hence excluding their opinion on how the universe began.
    Not that us atheists can “prove” how it began, but it stops any theists from deluding themselves further.

  36. on 10 Jul 2013 at 2:35 pm 36.DPK said …

    25.40 Year Atheist said …

    Some shit that brilliantly demonstrates how completely desperate they are to grab onto any crumb that would seem to support their delusions about their sky-daddy.
    40yr ignores the dozens of double blind,scientific studies down over the year that show clearly that prayer has zero effect, and in some case seem to indicate that it has a detrimental effect, and latches onto an obscure study of 33 bush babies that show a barely statistically difference in healing rate.
    THIS is your god proof??? The all powerful creator of the universe, who controls all the physical laws of nature by his mere will, who created the universe and everything in it, and the best he can do is a 1 or 2 percent improvement in wound healing in a few small African primates?
    How pathetically desperate.

  37. on 10 Jul 2013 at 5:09 pm 37.DPK said …

    Hey “A”… can you help me out and at the same time show us all how awesome your God is?
    My dog had some warts removed from his ass. The vet said it will take about 2 weeks for them to heal… could you pray to your Jesus (since he obviously won’t listen to me since I don’t believe in him) and see if you can get that healing time shortened to maybe 12 or 13 days instead?
    Shouldn’t be a problem since that great study 40yr cited clearly shows god can do this. Poor guy just wants to be able to take a healthy dump, ya know?
    Anyway you commence to prayin’ and I’ll report back honestly on how it goes… miracles happen every day, right?
    D

  38. on 10 Jul 2013 at 5:46 pm 38.Xenon said …

    Would anyone expect DPK an atheist to be honest? No me neither.

  39. on 10 Jul 2013 at 5:56 pm 39.DPK said …

    No really… I will take a break from killing babies and ripping open the bellies of pregnant woman and dashing the fetuses on rocks… I’ll even stop beating my slaves and stoning people to death and will honestly report on the healing progress of my dog’s with integrity.
    Come on now… surely you can demonstrate that your god is good for at least something??? I’m not asking for an end to childhood cancer, starvation, or even dysentery… all I want is an couple percent acceleration in the healing of my poor dog’s asshole…. I mean that the only positive thing you’ve presented as evidence of his existence so far… now you want to even back off that claim… and put the blame on ME?
    Typical… no balls. hahahaha

  40. on 10 Jul 2013 at 6:50 pm 40.Anonymous said …

    Let’s take a look at what was actually presented. It show not just desperation but utter and despicable dishonesty.

    Further, because he’s been corrected on his claims before, we can add deliberately lying, unethical, and immoral, to 40yrs resume. Also, as Xenon, aka “a”, aka Horatio, aka his other sock puppets wants to align with that, we can fairly assume that he shares those traits too. In fact, “a” was challenge and didn’t respond, instead he comes back as “Xenon”. Pathetic doesn’t even come close to describing their antics.

    But, back to 40yrs load of bullshit.

    He’s deliberately and purposefully ignoring all the well-conducted tests with large population samples because those disprove the effect of prayer.

    Instead, he resorts to the tactics of the lovers of woo. He trawls the internet for a non-human, not replicated, tiny study, that lacks statistical relevancy. In other words, an outlier that is nothing more than random noise without clearly defined end-points. He then cherry picks the part that supports his delusion, ignores the parts that don’t, doesn’t validate the method, and presents a self-serving conclusion.

    Moreover, he tries to cover his ass with further fallacies. He then tries to hide behind reversing the burden of proof, thus that even if this doesn’t prove prayer works, he then can claim it doesn’t disprove that *some other god* created the universe. And so on, and so on, and so on.

    This is the extent of the mental illness and delusion we face with these believers. No matter how many times it’s pointed out that they can’t prove their case, they simply move the goalposts and say “well, you can’t disprove some other claim”.

    As above, what a fucking liar and a loser.

    Now, back to Xenon/A – Yes, do demonstrate to us the power of prayer. DPK issued you a challenge. What are you afraid of in taking it up?

  41. on 10 Jul 2013 at 7:58 pm 41.DPK said …

    dude… I’m just tryin’ to get some help for my poor doggy’s butt… 40 said Jesus could help, so I’m asking for somebody connected to reach out.

  42. on 10 Jul 2013 at 9:10 pm 42.Anonymous said …

    You’re right, we should stand back and let one of the believers demonstrate the power of prayer, just as they claim it can work.

    It’s not like you are asking for something difficult such as healing an amputee. And it’s not like you are asking for something out of the ordinary, such as an overnight cure. You’re just asking to reduce the poor animal’s suffering, just as 40yr claims can happen.

    So, 40yr, Xenon, and friends, what can you do to demonstrate that prayer actually works by hastening the healing of DPK’s dog by 24 or even, gasp, 48 hours?

    Please advise.

  43. on 10 Jul 2013 at 10:07 pm 43.A said …

    How many times must I make it clear I am everyone on the blog! You can stop the diversions now. The Judge, I’m him too!
    X,

    I wouldn’t trust Dippy with a dogs butt. I feel his dog will lose his. Lol!!

    These guys have been following Santa for Waaayyyy too long. They believe God is their Santa who is inclined to meet their demands. Sigh, the arrogance of atheists.

  44. on 10 Jul 2013 at 10:19 pm 44.alex said …

    “These guys have been following Santa for Waaayyyy too long.”

    okay, i just converted to jesus. here’s the sign: http://goo.gl/uk28E

  45. on 10 Jul 2013 at 10:36 pm 45.DPK said …

    “40.A said …

    blah blah blah… Santa, blah blah blah, Dippy, blah blah blah, arrogance…

    So, that would be a “no”, huh?

    Ass’s god can’t even heal a dog’s ass?
    I mean come on… you are always saying WE don’t understand how god works…. but this is a claim your high priest, 40yr… (shouldn’t he be like 45 yr by now) made via a “scientific” study published on the NIH website that claimed that prayer is proven to speed healing in animals. A study that you claimed was “great”.
    And I’m not asking for me. I’m asking for the poor dog, and I’m not asking god to be inclined to “meet my demands”. I’m asking YOU to demonstrate his power and mercy for the sake of the poor dog who can’t shit right for 2 weeks. How is any of that bad?
    And like Anony said… I’m not even asking for an overnight healing miracle… just less than a 10% speeding of the natural healing process which your ballyhooed study suggests is proven by prayer.
    What’s the problem ASS… can’t your god deliver on ANYTHING you claim? ANYTHING at all?

  46. on 10 Jul 2013 at 11:40 pm 46.Anonymous said …

    “a” said: “The Judge, I’m him too!” – yes, we are well aware that that is one of your sock-puppets – you must have been feeling guilty to bring that one up. You’re not being clever at all with these “confessions”.

    Now, you claimed that the article was a “hole in the sail”, (nice reference to your Hornblower-inspired sock-puppets, by the way), so now you get to demonstrate the truth of that claim.

    No more diversions, let’s see you demonstrate that prayer works by helping heal DPK’s dog. Apparently you are full of hot-air. Prove us wrong.

  47. on 11 Jul 2013 at 1:27 am 47.DPK said …

    No more diversions, let’s see you demonstrate that prayer works by helping heal DPK’s dog. Apparently you are full of hot-air. Prove us wrong.

    And hurry please… His poor ass is starting to look infected.
    Hey, I could put a plea up on Facebook and get hundreds of christards praying for his recovery, but I really wanted to give YOU, Mr. Capital A Asstrophysicst, the opportunity to actually prove something instead of just running at the mouth all the time. Any of you actually gonna grow a pair and try to show us you’re not actually completely full of shit?

    Notice readers, as much as they all cling tenaciously to their belief that their god answers prayers… They KNOW that in fact, he does not. That is why they will NEVER step up to the actual challenge. They claim a scientific study proves that prayer will accelerate healing in animals… Yet they KNOW it really doesn’t, otherwise they wouldn’t run away from demonstrating it.

  48. on 11 Jul 2013 at 1:35 am 48.Angus and Alexis said …

    So, “A”.

    Are you going to pray for the dog’s ass?
    Or are you going to be yellow and make your god look even more stupid?
    We all know that the prayer will do nothing, but you think it will, but the fact that you are not going to pray for him makes you look very low, not that you already look low with all the sock puppets and such.

  49. on 11 Jul 2013 at 2:02 am 49.A said …

    Lol!!

    I luv it! I can get all the rabid atheist fired up with one post.

    Dippy to place an “order” go talk to Santa, maybe a Taco Bell drive thru. Wanna help your dog, give him away.

    Hey, make up a Tulip like Butterfly of whatever he calls himself. All of you should make a Tulip! What fun!

    Waiting for proof God doesn’t answer prayer. And no, nit getting a yes in NOT proof.

    Begin Tulips! Lol!!!

  50. on 11 Jul 2013 at 2:08 am 50.DPK said …

    Curious tha A continually equates prayer to asking Santa, another imaginary being.
    As I suspected, he knows the truth about prayer, but denies it. That is the definition of self delusion. Tell yourself prayer works, even though you know it doesn’t.

  51. on 11 Jul 2013 at 2:31 am 51.A said …

    I absolutely know the truth about prayer and atheists.
    Atheists see prayer as making a wish to Santa. Mot hard to understand. Then they pout when not given their way. Little children react accordingly.

    Hey, what is your new Tulips name?1

  52. on 11 Jul 2013 at 2:36 am 52.Anonymous said …

    As I suspected, he knows the truth about prayer, but denies it. That is the definition of self delusion. Tell yourself prayer works, even though you know it doesn’t.

    But there’s even more. His mantra is “prove me wrong” but, readers do note that he won’t offer any proof himself.

    Deep down, or maybe not deep at all, he knows that his god is nothing more than a collection of bronze-age and pagan myths and superstitions.

    If he had the courage of his convictions he’d offer proof, he’d be happy to demonstrate, to “save” us, but he can’t. He knows he can’t, so he hides behind an ever-increasing series of red-herrings and diversions. All to avoid admitting that his beliefs are irrational to the point of insanity. Unfortunately, for “a”, his behavior confirms that he is both delusional and dishonest

    Still, we’re willing to let you prove your god exists. Go ahead, show us what you’ve got.

  53. on 11 Jul 2013 at 3:01 am 53.alex said …

    “Atheists see prayer as making a wish to Santa. Mot hard to understand. Then they pout when not given their way. Little children react accordingly.”

    add name calling to the theist array of diversions. non believing is asking to be “given their way”? what crap. i refuse the moronic xtians bullshit they’re passing out in my neighborhood and i’m asking to be “given my way”? get the fuck out of here!

    your theist prayers and the rest are bullshit. prove me wrong. santa, yeti, ufos are the same as your god. stand up for your god and show the goods, otherwise, bullshit.

  54. on 11 Jul 2013 at 3:10 am 54.DPK said …

    on 11 Jul 2013 at 2:31 am 48.A said …
    I absolutely know the truth about prayer…”

    But you and 40 were the ones who made the claim about prayer being able to accelerate helping in animals. Now you seem to be saying it doesn’t.
    What is the “truth about prayer”? Does it work, or doesn’t it?
    You seem to be very confused. That happens when you lie to yourself.

  55. on 11 Jul 2013 at 3:28 am 55.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Hey, make up a Tulip like Butterfly of whatever he calls himself. All of you should make a Tulip! What fun!”

    First off, it “Tulpa” and secondly, i dont think any one here (excluding myself) is interested in making one. (Check it out though ;D They are pretty interesting)
    And secondly, my previous name was “Fluttershy” which for some reason you seem incapable of either remembering or writing.

    “Atheists see prayer as making a wish to Santa.”

    No, i see prayer as asking an all powerful, all knowing, all seeing deity who can do literally anything he wants, a request. Not that he exists, but you seem to think he does.

    “I absolutely know the truth about prayer and atheists.”

    Then spill the beans about prayer, why are you so afraid?

  56. on 11 Jul 2013 at 9:57 am 56.freddies_dead said …

    52.Angus and Alexis said …

    Then spill the beans about prayer, why are you so afraid?

    He’s afraid because he knows atheists have nailed prayer to a fucking wall. The studies have proved it. It doesn’t work. Never has, never will. Why? Because there is no God to answer all the Christian begging letters.

    Assface knows absolutely that this is the truth about prayer and to admit it is a death knell for his theism.

    The cognitive dissonance required to carry on believing – and praying – when you know full well that there’s nothing to answer your prayers is truly breathtaking.

  57. on 11 Jul 2013 at 10:55 am 57.A said …

    Superfly,

    A thousand pardons, making a Tulpa. But why wouldn’t the readers not want to make one? Sounds like jolly good fun. Doesn’t one just need to have an imagination and drugs?
    Yes! I have been busted. I am so frightened God and prayer are not real. Hold me Agnus. Lol!!

    But hey, if you can prove it to me I am more than willing to learn from such brilliant fellas.

    Readers, take note. They will offer zero proof, only opinions and lies. They will do it with insults and foul language.

    sigh

  58. on 11 Jul 2013 at 11:51 am 58.alex said …

    “Readers, take note. They will offer zero proof, only opinions and lies.”

    intelligent people will observe and take note. atheists don’t believe in the bullshit, but theists moronically think that nonbelievers should burden the proof.

    repeated many times, but the morons don’t get it, zeus, ra, tooth fairy, unicorn and other bullshit nonbelievers don’t have to do dick. the bullshit perpetrators need to do the proving.

    need more? i don’t believe in ufos, but i can be proven wrong. can’t say the same for the god shit.

  59. on 11 Jul 2013 at 11:54 am 59.freddies_dead said …

    57.A said …

    But hey, if you can prove it to me I am more than willing to learn from such brilliant fellas.

    Firstly, it’s your burden to provide proof that your God exists. Secondly, you’re a liar. You’ve no intention of learning because you have no intention of giving up your delusion.

    Readers, take note. They will offer zero proof, only opinions and lies. They will do it with insults and foul language.

    sigh

    Readers, take note. Neither A, nor any of the other theists, will offer any proof that their God exists, they will give us only myths and lies. He will do it while avoiding questions and throwing out diversions.

    lol.

  60. on 11 Jul 2013 at 2:57 pm 60.DPK said …

    ” if you can prove it to me I am more than willing to learn from such brilliant fellas.”

    Nice dodge again ass… prove what, that prayer doesn’t work? Can you prove that voodoo doesn’t work?
    Come on now… you’re busted. You and 40yr (who, in case you haven’t noticed, has left you hanging out to dry once again) made the positive claim that a scientific study clearly showed that prayer accelerates wound healing in animals… or maybe your claim was prayer only works for bush babies, and nothing else, or maybe it was that prayer works for only THOSE 33 studied bush babies… so confused.
    Anyway, you stated that that punched a hole in the atheist’s sail (whatever that is). So now you have claimed that prayer can heal an animals wounds… but rather than showing us, you want US to prove it doesn’t?
    Ok… I prayed for my poor little doggie’s ass, but today it is worse and looks infected. The vet is going to prescribe some antibiotics. So, I prayed, it got worse… so there’s your proof prayer doesn’t work.
    Want to know why no one believes any of the bullshit you claim about your god? It’s because YOU never provide any reason to believe any of it is actually true, and it is clear to anyone with half a brain that the claims you make about your god and his properties are simply false.

  61. on 11 Jul 2013 at 3:30 pm 61.Angus and Alexis said …

    “A thousand pardons, making a Tulpa. But why wouldn’t the readers not want to make one? Sounds like jolly good fun. Doesn’t one just need to have an imagination and drugs?”

    Because not every one in the world wants a constant companion, and couldnt be bothered taking about a year of daily mental forcing to make one?

    I guess having a good immagination helps, but is not needed.
    Drugs? No, i would not advise drugs, nasty things that mess up your mind and body.

    Although, it kinda is fun making Alexis ;D

  62. on 11 Jul 2013 at 3:47 pm 62.Anonymous said …

    A@51

    I absolutely know the truth about prayer and atheists.

    anonymous@52

    But there’s even more. His mantra is “prove me wrong” but, readers do note that he won’t offer any proof himself

    angus and alexis@55

    Then spill the beans about prayer, why are you so afraid?

    “a”@53

    Yes! I have been busted. I am so frightened God and prayer are not real. Hold me Agnus. Lol!!

    But hey, if you can prove it to me I am more than willing to learn from such brilliant fellas

    And there we have “a”s game plan in action. Claim something, “support” any old theistic crap claims made by drive-by posters, refuse to provide proof and demand others prove him wrong.

    “a” continuously runs away from providing proof for his imaginary friend. Even he knows that his god isn’t real. Poor thing, so much fail in so few posts.

  63. on 11 Jul 2013 at 4:22 pm 63.DPK said …

    and…. worse of all, he holds my poor poor doggy’s inflamed asshole hostage, refusing to help alleviate the poor animals suffering while at the same time claiming he can.
    So if you claim you can help alleviate suffering, but refuse to do so, what does that make you? Either a monster or a liar. Here’s the thing, I believe that Ass DOES indeed know the truth about prayer… that’s why he won’t dare put it to a test… he knows… he knows. hahaha “To thine own self be true…”

  64. on 11 Jul 2013 at 4:46 pm 64.A said …

    Actually readers I have no game plan. There must first be something to plan against and my atheist friends have provided no offense! Lol!!

    Now lets see those Tulips! Lol!! You guys certainly want a companion and no drugs needed.

  65. on 11 Jul 2013 at 4:59 pm 65.Anonymous said …

    More diversions from “a”, but lets stick to the point.

    Now, tell us, why are you so callous that you will not live up to your claims and pray for DPK’s dog to get better, even a day earlier than he would without your so-called god’s help?

  66. on 11 Jul 2013 at 5:02 pm 66.DPK said …

    64.A said …

    “Actually readers I have no game plan.”

    Oh, sure you do… don’t be coy. We all know it. I’m confused though, doesn’t your god frown on liars?
    hahaha… if he’s real it sure doesn’t look good for you.

    You should also read what your bible says about mocking people… something you do all the time. I smell BBQ sauce in your future there, ace. You’d better pray your god isn’t real, or you’ll be in much worse shape than my poor little dog. Oh, I forgot, prayer has been shown definitively not to work… so no help there, huh?

  67. on 11 Jul 2013 at 5:03 pm 67.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Now lets see those Tulips! Lol!! You guys certainly want a companion and no drugs needed.”
    Well for starters, you cannot see any one elses tulpae…
    And secondly, Alexis doesnt even appear in my view yet.
    (sorry guys for off topic ;D A’s idiocracy about tulpae is annoying me)

  68. on 11 Jul 2013 at 8:38 pm 68.A said …

    Yes, the draw of Tulpae escapes me there Superfly.

    Dippy,

    What does the Bible say about mockery? Just curious. What’s wrong, you can dish it but you can’t take it hoss?

    Now come on, somebody share some cute Tulpaes with us!

    Mousey, I know what you are thinking. Yeah, I am Superfly too!

  69. on 11 Jul 2013 at 9:24 pm 69.alex said …

    “Yeah, I am Superfly too!”

    after getting busted so many times, now you add “deflection” to your m.o.

    yeah, i’m this and that to try to draw attention away from your gaffe:

    “martin, congrats, you really showed them. lotsa love, from the other idiot, martin”…

  70. on 11 Jul 2013 at 9:33 pm 70.Anonymous said …

    Seeing as our pet troll is playing at being evasive, let’s remind him of the questions he was going to answer, but didn’t.

    We’re still waiting, please do answer them.

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?

    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?

    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?

    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?

    Is using birth control a sin?

    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?

    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?

    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?

    Is it ok to be gay?

    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion

    And here’s what the class hypocrite “Martin” is unable to answer. Come on, show us how it is done. Provide answers to prove that you know what you are talking about when your criticize others.

    Provide formal logical proof for the existence of your god.

    Explain, using a logical proof, why you worship the god that you do.

    and also

    Now, tell us, why are you so callous that you will not live up to your claims and pray for DPK’s dog to get better, even a day earlier than he would without your so-called god’s help?

  71. on 11 Jul 2013 at 10:03 pm 71.DPK said …

    “What does the Bible say about mockery? Just curious…”

    You should actually read it sometime. It’s very enlightening. If you don’t know and are too lazy to give it a read for yourself… well, if you’re right about your magical god-buddy you’re in for a very unfortunate surprise when you finally check out… whoops!
    But don’t worry, according to Messy hell is only temporary, sooner or later you’ll get to enjoy eternity along with Alex. Angus, and me.

  72. on 12 Jul 2013 at 12:07 am 72.DPK said …

    Since A, nor any of his sock persona will dare answer the questions, I’ll take a stab at what there answers would be IF they had the balls to actually take a stand… but they don’t so here goes:

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Truth is, he wouldn’t. An all loving god would not be capable of inflicting eternal punishment because it is inherently unfair to do so.

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?

    I was either indoctrinated as a child, or my flavor “found” me after hitting bottom and offered me an alternative addiction to the bottle, drugs, sex, or whatever personal demons I couldn’t control were.

    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?

    No, if you accept the Bible as the word of god, it is pretty clear that hell is eternal. Once you’re in, there’s no gettin’ out. So some brands of Christianity invented the idea of Purgatory… temporary hell, but this concept is not mentioned anywhere in the bible and is a purely human invention.

    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?

    No, you must accept Jesus as your personal savior to get to heaven. Anyone who does not accept Jesus is going to hell. Period.

    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?

    No, the bible is very clear that women should not speak in church and should hold no authority over men.

    Is using birth control a sin?

    Yes, because it allows you to experience pleasure without the possibility of conception. Everyone knows sex is dirty and sinful.

    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Yes, same reason as above. You can only have sexual pleasure if you are trying to make a baby.

    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    What god has joined, man must not divide. Divorce is a forbidden.

    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Because they are all wrong except for mine, which is right.

    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?

    You can go to a doctor, but you should pray too. After all, Jesus made doctors. But realize that if you get sick, it’s part of god’s plan.

    Is it ok to be gay?
    No, homosexuality is an abomination, just like eating pork or shellfish, getting a tattoo, working on Sunday, wearing clothes made of different type of material, and being disrespectful to your parents.

    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion.

    Satan is the great deceiver and leads many astray. My religion is the only correct one.

    Provide formal logical proof for the existence of your god.

    God exists beyond logic. Unnecessary.

    Explain, using a logical proof, why you worship the god that you do.

    God is beyond the limitations of logic and rational thought. I don’t worship the god “that I do” I worship the god that IS.

    Now, tell us, why are you so callous that you will not live up to your claims and pray for DPK’s dog to get better, even a day earlier than he would without your so-called god’s help?

    Because while god will always answer prayers, he won’t be tested. So even though he will always answer your prayers, he will do it in a way that you can’t distinguish his answer to your prayer from random chance. He does this to show you that he is smarter than you and so you don’t get all uppity.

    So, how’d I do? I could be a christard, right?

  73. on 12 Jul 2013 at 12:37 am 73.Anonymous said …

    Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner! 100% correct.

  74. on 12 Jul 2013 at 12:42 am 74.A said …

    Oh Dippy, you don’t know what the Bible says about mockery.

    Didn’t think so. Just another Dippy failure. Hey, maybe the Tulipa can tell us!!

  75. on 12 Jul 2013 at 12:50 am 75.s0l0m0n said …

    Hi folks!

    I’ll be coming back soon.

  76. on 12 Jul 2013 at 1:22 am 76.DPK said …

    Really? Why don’t you tell us. Cite your source.

  77. on 12 Jul 2013 at 4:50 am 77.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Hey, maybe the Tulipa can tell us!!”
    Requires sentience (capability of speech also helps) Alexis lacks these at the moment.

    “72.DPK said … *snip*”

    So spot on i thought you had converted ;P.

  78. on 12 Jul 2013 at 7:58 am 78.Anonymous said …

    “Oh Dippy, you don’t know what the Bible says about mockery.”

    Well, then, show us that you do.

  79. on 12 Jul 2013 at 11:33 am 79.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”

    Care to answer these A?

  80. on 12 Jul 2013 at 11:51 am 80.A said …

    You want me to defend a claim you made Dippy? LOL!!! I wnat to learn from you Hoss. You imply I will go to hell for mocking? (although I don’t mock). But assume I do. Explain yourself young man and show your work.

  81. on 12 Jul 2013 at 12:44 pm 81.DPK said …

    You do mock and ridicule. No, silly man, I don’t think you will go to hell. There is no such place.

  82. on 12 Jul 2013 at 12:51 pm 82.A said …

    Aw, you still can”t back another of your claims. You are so predictable and whiny.

    Ask Superfly to help you with a Tulpa so you have a buddy.

  83. on 12 Jul 2013 at 12:57 pm 83.Angus and Alexis said …

    You constantly mock, and once called me female as in insult, due to your religion.
    Again, i dont think DPK, Alex, freddie’s_dead or anyone here is interesting in tulpae. Being that they take a long time to make, you have to basically delude yourself and not every one wants a constant companion.

  84. on 12 Jul 2013 at 2:25 pm 84.DPK said …

    81.A said …

    Aw, you still can”t back another of your claims. You are so predictable and whiny.

    You don’t even know what it say in your own Holy Book?
    Tragic. Look it up and come back and tell us. But you won’t, because you’re a fraud.

  85. on 12 Jul 2013 at 4:52 pm 85.A said …

    Agnus,

    So being female is mocking to you? You have now shown your sexism. How sad. DPK called you female and it was done because you seem female with the ponies and Tulpias. Stop being a sexist Superfly.

    DPK, I am not familiar with the Bible referring to mocking. You claim it does Be a man, if you have a set, and show us. I bet it was just another lie from you.

    Again you find yourself in a corner and again you attempt to squirm away. Shall I show you your quote?

  86. on 12 Jul 2013 at 5:28 pm 86.DPK said …

    No, I’m not doing your homework for you… Read Matthew and ye shall find. No matter, it’s not my job to reinforce your ridiculous superstitions about hell fire and damnation. If you claim the bible is the word of your god you should at least read it, don’t you think? I think on judgement day “Uh, I’m not familiar with that verse” probably won’t cut it with your imaginary warrior god. Doesn’t look good for you ASS… but don’t worry, when you’re dead, you’re dead… there will be no eternity of suffering, just perhaps the brief realization that you have wasted your life believing a lie… probably not even that, but one can only hope. hahaha
    No go back to your bible school and do your due diligence.

  87. on 12 Jul 2013 at 6:05 pm 87.A said …

    Its not my job to prove your claims are lies. You will not prove your own claim

    You are a liar with zero character Your changing of the subject will save you liar. Go make a Tulpia.

    You are done.

  88. on 12 Jul 2013 at 7:20 pm 88.DPK said …

    hahaha… the only “claim” I made was that YOU should read what your bible says about mocking people. Since you are too lazy to do that, it’s not my problem. I have bigger worries, like my poor dog’s ass, which is getting worse despite my prayers.
    Maybe you should ask 40yr what to make of that? Oh, yeah, he won’t answer you, he’s too busy throwing red herrings and making bullshit claims to actually engage anyone with anything more than cut and paste drivel from the manifesto he writes from his van out behind the supermarket.
    Anyway, get back to us after you have read your bible and let us know if you either are ready for an attitude adjustment, or are going to continue to ignore what you think are your god’s specific commandments on how to live.
    BTW, you don’t eat lobster or shrimp, do you?

  89. on 12 Jul 2013 at 8:24 pm 89.A said …

    Let me remind our readers of Dippy’s claim and his/her inability to defend. He/she then follow up running away.

    “You should also read what your bible says about mocking people… something you do all the time. I smell BBQ sauce in your future there, ace.”

    lol! He/she is such a Lille child. Dippy boo hoos because he/she feels mocked. Get a Tulpia Dippy.

  90. on 12 Jul 2013 at 9:09 pm 90.alex said …

    “Let me remind our readers of Dippy’s claim and his/her inability to defend.”

    his claim and all other atheists’ claim is that your god is bullshit. all that other crap is just flotsam that you deliberately latch on to try and try to derail the real bullshit you call god. you got nothing but “Dippy”?

    let me remind our readers of the many times you’ve been busted fluffing your own self in multiple posts.

    defend that, you dipshit.

  91. on 12 Jul 2013 at 10:13 pm 91.DPK said …

    Ass, I seem to have really stuck a nerve there with you, huh?
    Seriously, if you want to live your life according to the supposed word of some imaginary being, you should do yourself a favor and find out what it actually says. Not my job to spoon feed it to you.
    In fact, if you want a real revealtion… start from page one and read it all the way through for yourself… without having some silver haired preacher tell you what god “really” meant when he says the insane things he says.
    As far as what he saya about mocking and calling people names, I even told you what book to read… help yourself.. or don’t I don’t really care.
    Seems like you’re really upset about it though… well, if you’re right about the bible being the word of god, you should be… hahahahaha. Sleep well, dickhead.

  92. on 13 Jul 2013 at 1:56 am 92.40 Year Atheist said …

    FIRST PRINCIPLE OF ATHEISM:
    Atheism is a VOID, intellectually and morally.

    This seems hardly arguable given that many Atheists declare the relief of total freedom that Atheism has given them – freedom from onerous absolutes, rules and authority (1). This VOID or hole is created solely by rejection, commonly of the nature of rebellion, and commonly is adopted in juvenile years of poor intellectual and cortex development coupled with raging hormones and personal emotional turmoil.

    After the VOID is adopted, Atheists find themselves totally free to create their own truths to backfill the hole. In essence, the Atheist is enabled to fill the hole totally with himself, and his own personal desires. So Atheism is completely self-focused and narcissistic. This is not to say that all narcissists are Atheist, nor that all Atheists meet the clinical definitions of narcissism. But the first principle of Atheism opens the pathway to narcissism and many take that path.

    Intellectually, the Atheist is free to claim logic as a basis for his worldview and simultaneously refuse to provide that logic in a disciplined deductive argument. This indicates an inherent non-coherent irrationality (2) which is traceable to the initial First Principle of Atheism. The Atheist, however, considers his own thought process to be the ultimate in logic, even superseding long established disciplined deductive processes going clear back to Aristotle. Thus the Atheist’s self image is that he is the superior intellect, far superior to those who use established disciplined deductive processes.

    Morally, the Atheist is free to design his own morals, which will be compatible with the inclinations and personal proclivities of the individual Atheist. Since his moral system is compatible with his behaviors and desires, then the Atheist is “moral” by tautology: he cannot fail. In addition, the Atheist can change his moral basis at any time, without a moment’s notice. So the Atheist considers himself totally moral, well beyond the morality of the Other.

    Psychologically, the Atheist VOID allows the Atheist to consider himself superior in all the ways that matter. He is so superior that he can become a savior for the poor benighted masses, whether they want it or not, need it or not. Narcissism reigns.

    In addition, contrary information jeopardizing the messiah status cannot be tolerated, and if it cannot be destroyed using the Atheist’s proprietary logic, then it must be ridiculed, to demonstrate its inferiority. If ridicule of the information is not sufficient to defeat it, then the next tier is attacking the opponent directly, using faux moral and/or personal attacks.

  93. on 13 Jul 2013 at 3:00 am 93.Angus and Alexis said …

    “So being female is mocking to you?”

    Your religion discriminates females, from your viewpoint, calling someone a girl is a heavy insult.
    You also seem to have a bad case of “shit grammar”, please work on that.
    And what is with your obsession of tulpae?

    “Its not my job to prove your claims are lies. You will not prove your own claim”

    He offered you a “task” he didnt claim anything other than the fact that you mock people, which can be proven in several ways.
    One way is how you never spell any ones name correctly.

  94. on 13 Jul 2013 at 11:36 am 94.alex said …

    “Atheism is a VOID, intellectually and morally.”

    wrong again motherfucker. no getting away with shit just because assholes like you utter the nonsense.

    been proven many times, which of course you’ve ignored. there were/are countless atheist intellects, done. end of that diversion.

    discussed ad nauseum, the theist absolute morality is bullshit. atheists apply the same morals as everybody else minus the divine bullshiterry. killing is a perfect example: “your honor, i kilt the motherfucker coz he about to cap me. this video and 10 other people can attest to the fact”. where is the motherfucking god shit? none, nada, zip.

    get your shit outta year, fuckhead.

  95. on 13 Jul 2013 at 11:49 am 95.Anonymous said …

    Alex, it’s but another diversion posted from someone who doesn’t have the balls to defend his arguments in a debate. Treat him with the contempt he deserves.

  96. on 13 Jul 2013 at 12:30 pm 96.Angus and Alexis said …

    91.40 Year Atheist said …
    *snip*

    Nice generalisation you have there, shame its not valid.

  97. on 13 Jul 2013 at 3:03 pm 97.A said …

    “If ridicule of the information is not sufficient to defeat it, then the next tier is attacking the opponent directly, using faux moral and/or personal attacks”

    Right on the money! Their logic allows them to accept ToE but deny God. Of course their standard for God rises for God.

  98. on 13 Jul 2013 at 3:27 pm 98.alex said …

    “Their logic allows them to accept ToE but deny God.”

    let me say ToE is total bullshit. now, how in the fuck does that prove your god? your diversions are laid bare and you got nothing. ONCE AGAIN, all these other shits you keep bringing up are nothing but diversions. atheist this, atheist that, blah, habla, and more blah.

  99. on 13 Jul 2013 at 3:45 pm 99.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Their logic allows them to accept ToE but deny God.”

    Theory of evolution: Microevolution proven to exist, macroevolution is merely a lot of microevolution. Therefore ToE is plausable, i am not at liberty to say without retaliation “ToE is numero uno” however.

    God: Magic. Doesn’t stick to normal physics, logic, etc. So far no one has given evidence of his existence. Contradicts self via “God is all loving” followed by “No gays, atheists, other religions, etc” and numerous other ways.

    Nice try A, but to make statements, one must know what they are talking about.

  100. on 13 Jul 2013 at 3:47 pm 100.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”
    Care to answer these A?
    (times A has failed to answer this off the top of my head, 2 times)

  101. on 13 Jul 2013 at 5:12 pm 101.A said …

    Atheist Logic:

    I can swum an Olympic pool therefore I can swim the Pacific!!

    lol!!, you are so funny Superfly or was that from your little friend. Microevolution is proven by science. Macroevolution is your faith. So you can accept God now. It requires less faith.

  102. on 13 Jul 2013 at 6:43 pm 102.alex said …

    “Atheist Logic:”

    “I can swum an Olympic pool therefore I can swim the Pacific!!”

    you lying, piece of shit. every theist crap you sling about just fortifies my resolve NOT TO PUT UP with any more shit from any motherfucking, dipshit believer.

    there is no atheist faith, you dumb motherfucker. your lol smugness, and repetitive blather doesn’t make it any truer, you fucking, dorothy click clack. go pray, idiot.

  103. on 13 Jul 2013 at 11:18 pm 103.DPK said …

    A again throws a straw man to rail against, equating the limits of human endurance with the process of evolution and natural selection over eons.
    A more fitting analogy is, a stream can erode soil, give enough time a river could carve the grand canon! Haha, what a laughable idea, right?
    Gravity can make an apple fall to the ground, therefore given enough time gravity could cause clouds of hydrogen gas to assemble themselves into working fusion reactors…. Hahaha, that takes some faith, huh, ass?
    It is remarkable how big a ickhead you really are! Truly astounding.

  104. on 14 Jul 2013 at 12:01 am 104.The messenger said …

    26.DPK, GOD will answer our prayers if we follow his laws and his teachings.
    If we break his laws he will not answer our prayers.
    GOD can answer prayers, DPk cannot.

  105. on 14 Jul 2013 at 1:49 am 105.A said …

    Dippy,

    Glad to see you. Using the scientific method prove macro evolution. This is great, we can settle this and not need faith!!

    I have my notepad. Lol!!

  106. on 14 Jul 2013 at 2:05 am 106.Angus and Alexis said …

    He just bloody showed how your analogy is bad, and showed you a more fitting one that shows how it works….

    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”
    Care to answer these A?
    (times A has failed to answer this off the top of my head, 3 times)

  107. on 14 Jul 2013 at 2:07 am 107.Angus and Alexis said …

    “lol!!, you are so funny Superfly or was that from your little friend.”

    Umm, no, that was me.
    While i do hope Alexis will be able to speak soon, currently she cannot.
    Also, the name is “Angus”…

  108. on 14 Jul 2013 at 2:14 am 108.DPK said …

    Asshole…. Again, not my job to educate you. Instead I prefer to just point out the idiotic reasoning process required by your dogmatic thinking.
    Eveloution is the most widely accepted and well supported scientific theories ever presented. If you want to learn about it, I suggest taking some classes at a real university.
    On the other hand, if you have knowledge of a provable process that explains observable facts better than evolution and natural selection. Present it. Simple as that. You can shut us all up right quick.

  109. on 14 Jul 2013 at 2:31 am 109.A said …

    Oh, its not your job to show facts to back your faith.

    Yes, I understand. It simply means you cannot. Maybe you need classes so you can understand it.

    Lets use your logic. God is also a widely held and acceptable belief. Its not my job to convince you of the obvious.

    Bam! Right back at ya Agnus and Dippy! Lol!!

    Cue personal attacks and cursing! Lol!!

  110. on 14 Jul 2013 at 3:11 am 110.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Oh, its not your job to show facts to back your faith.”

    That is because we have given you the information so many times that we cant be stuffed doing it again, you ignore it.

    “Bam! Right back at ya Agnus and Dippy! Lol!!”

    And you ask for proof that you mock people?

    “God is also a widely held and acceptable belief. Its not my job to convince you of the obvious.”

    No, God is the belief held by people who also believe in souls, magic, and are to close minded to believe in anything else. (Although, not all the time.)

    “Cue personal attacks and cursing! Lol!!”

    Fuck you, fuck you and FUCK YOU!? Is that enough?

    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”
    Care to answer these A?
    (times A has failed to answer this off the top of my head, 4 times)

  111. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:21 am 111.alex said …

    to shut this motherfucker, up, i’ll say everything that atheists believe in, is bullshit. gravity, evolution, mathematics, et all, are all bullshit.

    how’s that god proof coming along? chirp? motherfucking, chirp? dumbass.

  112. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:46 am 112.Angus and Alexis said …

    Nice one ;D

  113. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:52 am 113.The messenger said …

    105.Angus and Alexis, hell is not forever.

    GOD uses hell to teach us the consiquences of being hateful and greedy.

    The word permanent in the title “permanent marker” is used to stress the long amount of time that it lasts. But eventually the ink will wear away.

    The word eternal in the bible is used to stress the long amount of time that bad people spend in it. Eventually they will be releases and they will be sent to purgatory until they learn kindness and love, then they will go to heaven.

  114. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:59 am 114.The messenger said …

    109.Angus and Alexis, stop your fowl babbling, you primitive, arrogant, reject.

    STOP CUSSING, and start acting like an adult.

    Let me dum that down for you, little man.

    Act like a big kid, or go pout, cry, and cuss to someone else.

    Toddlers like you should not even know what a cuss word is.

  115. on 14 Jul 2013 at 6:52 am 115.Anonymous said …

    About this blog

    WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com is a web site that explores the existence of God. This blog accompanies the site and explores God and religion in our world today. For more information:

    Assman said:

    … God is also a widely held and acceptable belief. Its not my job to convince you of the obvious.

    Then, as you obviously do not want to respect the purpose of this blog, and that you continuously try to derail any conversation pertaining to its purpose, you should leave and go somewhere more fitting.

    Here’s a place where you can ask your questions.

    http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/

    Or are you going to make it abundantly clear, by refusing to take part in relevant discussion and answer the questions put to you, that you don’t want answers and your purpose is simply trolling? In which case, you really should just be ignored.

  116. on 14 Jul 2013 at 11:47 am 116.DPK said …

    No, assmunch.. The topic of this board is exploring god and religion, not evolution. Explaining the process of evolution to you is not on topic here, you providing evidence to back your irrational claim is. Show me a university class that proves your god and I’ll look into it… Make sure you tell us which of the dozens of gods that are the subject of “widely held belief” you are referring to, as they cannot all be real.

    Enough with the diversions, red herrings, straw men, and name calling. Everyone knows you are a fraud. Time to change socks.

  117. on 14 Jul 2013 at 12:28 pm 117.Angus and Alexis said …

    Odin, Allah, Ikenga, Anubis, Zeus.

    how are these guys not “the one true god”?
    What makes your god the one true god A?
    Care to explain?

  118. on 14 Jul 2013 at 12:47 pm 118.A said …

    Dippy

    IT Is right on topic to show your hypocrisy. You have no ability to grasp logic and the nature of evidence. You want a level of proof of God greater than that for ToE. YOU must prove you are no longer a hypocrite.

    Good Luck. lol!

    Oh,, and what makes your ToE that one true ToE? Lol!!

  119. on 14 Jul 2013 at 1:42 pm 119.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Oh,, and what makes your ToE that one true ToE? Lol!!”

    The ToE is irrelevant to the topic, and only tells us how modern animals came to be in a proven manner.

    God is relevant to the topic, and says how everything was whipped up into existance via magic.

    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”
    Care to answer these A?
    (times A has failed to answer this off the top of my head, 5 times)

  120. on 14 Jul 2013 at 3:35 pm 120.alex said …

    “You want a level of proof of God greater than that for ToE.”

    no, you dumbfuck. just one fucking, tiny, eeny speck of proof would suffice. fuck Toe. got anything?

    didn’t think so, cept the yabbering about this and that with yet another failed diversion. with the outmost contempt, i say fuck you and your god.

    oh, please, don’t even restart that “..step away from the ledge”. it’s old…. and “..the meth, too”, asshole.

  121. on 14 Jul 2013 at 7:26 pm 121.Anonymous said …

    You want a level of proof of God greater than that for ToE. YOU must prove you are no longer a hypocrite.

    Well, the subject of this blog is religion, not evolution. But, none the less, this one is easily resolved.

    Present your proof of god, then we can see how DPK responds. If you don’t present your proof, then it’s you that is the hypocrite.

    Oh, and speaking of hypocrisy…

    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”
    Care to answer these A?
    (times A has failed to answer this off the top of my head, 6 times)

  122. on 14 Jul 2013 at 7:55 pm 122.Anonymous said …

    Oh, and to forestall the kind of arguments a troll would make, you’re not trolling are you “a”?

    Responding that you already presented your proof doesn’t work in at least two ways.

    First, DPK might have had a change of heart. Remember you said “… no longer a hypocrite”, so unless you present your actual proof, he can’t respond specifically to your specific argument.

    Second, you keep tying to derail the conversation with your pet hobbyhorses, yet these questions have been asked, answered, and you’ve been told they lack relevancy on numerous occasions. Hence, you would be the hypocrite for demanding answers to repeated questions.

    Further, trying to turn this into a meta-discussion on the nature of “proof” is irrelevant and an attempt to avoid the question – aka trolling. The only relevant question at this point is if DPK does or does not accept your proof. It may be that your proof is of a form DPK hadn’t considered but would accept, hence the only way we will know is if you present it.

    So, over to you “a”. Present your proof of god in whatever form it is, and we’ll see if the charge against DPK is warranted. Unless, of course, you have no intention of doing so because you’re just trolling?

  123. on 14 Jul 2013 at 8:31 pm 123.A said …

    Sorry, proof of God has been presented time and time again. As Dippy stated, you just need to take a class.

    Let me know when you present ToE evidence and then we can determine if you truly do believe that which can be proven using the scientific method, of course.

  124. on 14 Jul 2013 at 8:35 pm 124.DPK said …

    It is no more my job to prove the theory of evolution to you on a religion and god discussion board that it is to prove the theory of relativity, germ theory, or any other currently accepted scientific theory. All the information you ask is readily available to you, and you can educate yourself, or remain willfully ignorant, nobody cares.
    Now, in keeping on topic, point us to the “proof” of the “widely held” god theory… but be sure to specify which currently accepted scientific theory postulates “god” and which god in particular is demonstrated? To my knowledge there are NO currently accepted scientific theorems of god, but perhaps I am mistaken? If you can’t do that, then you are a hypocrite.

  125. on 14 Jul 2013 at 8:46 pm 125.Anonymous said …

    Oh, and to forestall the kind of arguments a troll would make, you’re not trolling are you “a”?

    Responding that you already presented your proof doesn’t work in at least two ways.

    First, DPK might have had a change of heart. Remember you said “… no longer a hypocrite”, so unless you present your actual proof, he can’t respond specifically to your specific argument.

    Second, you keep tying to derail the conversation with your pet hobbyhorses, yet these questions have been asked, answered, and you’ve been told they lack relevancy on numerous occasions. Hence, you would be the hypocrite for demanding answers to repeated questions.

    To which “a’ responds as predicted:

    Sorry, proof of God has been presented time and time again.

    Thank you for confirming that you are the hypocrite and a troll.

  126. on 14 Jul 2013 at 8:50 pm 126.A said …

    Sorry Dippy, it is your job. Until you prove you are not a hypocrite, you have proven you do not know what evidence looks like.

    Its OK, you are brainwashed. All your evidence for ToE. It is proof of God. Now, lets look at it and compare.

  127. on 14 Jul 2013 at 8:57 pm 127.DPK said …

    Sorry, proof of God has been presented time and time again. As Dippy stated, you just need to take a class.

    Would that be a class on Roman gods, Greek gods, Egyptian gods, Chinese gods, African gods, Islamic gods, Incan gods… which class will provide the proof that you claim, and which god will it prove…
    Still waiting for you to cite the currently accepted sceintific theory of god. When you do, we can examine it and see how your evidence holds up… whoops.. you’re right, there isn’t one, is there?

  128. on 14 Jul 2013 at 10:47 pm 128.A said …

    EW!, still dodging. The question: is there a God? When you fix that, you can move on to which God.
    But alas, as a bona fide hypocrite you really are not an Honest seeker are you? No, dishonest.

    How do you accept ToE but not God? Disprove this:

    God started evolution.

  129. on 14 Jul 2013 at 11:05 pm 129.alex said …

    How do you accept ToE but not God? Disprove this:
    Shiva started evolution. predates your youngster god.

    see how this shit…?

  130. on 15 Jul 2013 at 12:21 am 130.DPK said …

    You’re an idiot have have been slammed for reversing the burden of proof at least 100 times.
    Disprove this: a magical inter dimensional sea turtle started evolution. No difference, see? Therefore they are both right. First I would need to show there is an inter dimensional sea turtle, and that he has the ability to create live and start evolution. Until that is shown, my statement can be summarially dismissed.
    So, show us proof of your god, and explain your theory as to how exactly, he ” started evolution”. Otherwise, yawn! You’re dismissed.

  131. on 15 Jul 2013 at 12:59 am 131.A said …

    Personal attacks and zero proof. Dippy, you failed again.

    Try again. Why do you believe something without proof? Act like an atheist for goodness sake!

    40YA,

    You are a prophet my friend!

  132. on 15 Jul 2013 at 1:15 am 132.alex said …

    “Why do you believe something without proof?”

    wrong. saying it, doesn’t truth it, moron.

    here’s another. when did you limit your kid molestations to 9 year old boys? you likey?

    back to ToE? taught in public schools because it’s been subjected/corrected using scientific methods, unlike your bullshit god. dat why creationism is not taught.

    now, pray for a brain and quit the fluffing.

  133. on 15 Jul 2013 at 3:31 am 133.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Personal attacks and zero proof. Dippy, you failed again.”

    Sorry to say, but you are an idiot. An untrustworthy, lying, discriminative, bigoted, ignorant, idiot.

    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”
    Care to answer these A?
    (times A has failed to answer this off the top of my head, 7 times)

  134. on 15 Jul 2013 at 3:50 am 134.DPK said …

    Ass, still waiting for your god evidence. What’s wrong, can’t find that class you told me to take? Can’t find a current scientific theory of god? How about you just reference ANY accepted scientific theory that incorporates god? Any ?????

    Yeah didn’t think so. Once again, all talk, zero substance. Don’t you ever get tired of loosing every argument, every time? Maybe messenger will help you out…

  135. on 15 Jul 2013 at 6:40 am 135.Angus and Alexis said …

    (offtopic)
    http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/is-evolution-true.264725/

    Here is what a sci fi debater website has to say about evolution…
    (Proves nothing, but shows why we hate giving out information a bazillion times)

    Also, Alexis is now sentient!!!

  136. on 15 Jul 2013 at 12:20 pm 136.freddies_dead said …

    40 Year Atheist sure does love to throw the word logic around. It’s a shame that his worldview cannot account for logic in any meaningful way. Instead he has to steal the concept in order to then use it to try and deny the very foundation upon which logic depends.

  137. on 15 Jul 2013 at 12:27 pm 137.freddies_dead said …

    We all know A is just trying to change the subject as he has no proof for his God but examples that prove evolution via the scientific method are easy enough to find. Lets go with Tiktaalik.

    Observation of the fossil record indicated a gap between fish and land animals. Further investigation predicted where the scientists should search for such a fossil – in mid Devonian rock formations from freshwater areas. An expedition was duly made and finally Tiktaalik was found, exactly where the initial research had predicted it would be. The scientific method proving evolution.

    Cue A trying to suggest that this isn’t actually an example of evolution being proved by the scientific method because it doesn’t match his definition of either evolution or the scientific method.

    Now A, seen as you have had your question answered it’s your turn. Can you provide proof for your God please?

  138. on 15 Jul 2013 at 12:45 pm 138.phil said …

    Wasn’t this thread about prayer?

    Theists divert the subject rather than facing up to the fact that there is no demonstrable evidence that prayer has any effect

    what we’ve come to expect

  139. on 15 Jul 2013 at 12:51 pm 139.DPK said …

    A, like a petulant child, stomps his foot and claims if you cannot watch it occur in the lab, it isn’t science. Any imbecile with a computer can access the overwhelming evidence for evolution. Evolution is fact, and arguing with someone about it is pointless. I will not engage off topic diversions about silly things anymore than I would debate a flat earth theory or the theory of demonic possession. To do so is to give credibility to an argument that was settled 50 years ago, and it is besides the point.
    Here is a readers digest version of the sceintific evidence for evolution and why it is the most widely accepted, tested, and verified theory in science today.
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/sciproof.html

    More on topic though, is why Ass is so thoroughly terrified of the very idea of evolution to the point of fanaticism, and why the only arguments he ever produces, over and over, are arguments from ignorance ( well, you can’t explain….) reversing the burden of proof, ( disprove this:…) straw men (because a human can swim across a pool doesn’t mean he can swim across the ocean..) mocking and various ad hominem attacks, and numerous red herrings.
    But the most telling of his tactics is his stubborn refusal to answer any questions pertaining to his god and religion and pretending they weren’t asked. Like the same petulant child stomping his foot, he sticks his fingers in his ears and screams, “la, la, la.. I can’t hear you!”
    Hardly a shining example of a person with a valid position to assert, he clearly demonstrates the absurdity of dogmatic, religious thinking.

  140. on 16 Jul 2013 at 7:52 am 140.Guy said …

    Of course god is real, It is all around us.

  141. on 16 Jul 2013 at 8:01 am 141.Guy said …

    Try reading the book ” conversations with god” by neale Donald walsh. It makes a lot of sense, I’m sure you’ll believe he is real after reading it. Trust me, read it. Maybe then you’ll change your mind.

  142. on 17 Jul 2013 at 9:50 am 142.freddies_dead said …

    So I’m supposed to believe NDW had actual conversations with God when by his own admission his mind managed to trick him into thinking that an alleged miraculous event – the appearance of the words “Christ was love” at a Christmas pageant rehearsal – happened to his son when, in reality the alleged event happened to someone else entirely? He doesn’t seem to be too credible so far.

    Also, does NDW adduce any actual evidence for the existence of the God he claims to be conversing with in this book? If not I find it extremely unlikely that I would change my mind about God’s non-existence.

  143. on 17 Jul 2013 at 1:04 pm 143.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Try reading the book ” conversations with god” by neale Donald walsh.”

    I have a bloody tulpa, and i say that talking to “god” is insane.
    *go on, abuse my tulpa ;D*

  144. on 18 Jul 2013 at 8:31 pm 144.Ben said …

    Tiktaalik roseae was disproved a few years back. It is not a transitional fossil as was first claimed. You need to check your facts.

  145. on 19 Jul 2013 at 9:41 am 145.freddies_dead said …

    144.Ben said …

    Tiktaalik roseae was disproved a few years back. It is not a transitional fossil as was first claimed. You need to check your facts.

    Firstly I see that you don’t understand how fossils work. Some are more obvious intermediates between certain ancestral and descendant groups but ALL are transitional.

    Secondly we’re going to need a link to the evidence that you think supports your claim?

  146. on 19 Jul 2013 at 11:19 am 146.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Tiktaalik roseae was disproved a few years back. It is not a transitional fossil as was first claimed. You need to check your facts.”

    Link or it didnt happen.

  147. on 19 Jul 2013 at 3:33 pm 147.Anonymous said …

    Guys, do be aware that Ben is another of “a”s sock-puppets.

  148. on 19 Jul 2013 at 3:50 pm 148.DPK said …

    147.Anonymous said …
    “Guys, do be aware that Ben is another of “a”s sock-puppets.”

    It’s a wonder how Stan has room for all those multiple personalities living in that van out behind the Super-Fresh. It must be a full time job keeping track of who said what as whom… no wonder he slips up every now and then.

  149. on 19 Jul 2013 at 4:22 pm 149.A said …

    Hahahaha,

    These guys are so paranoid it is hilarious.

    Yes, I”m everyone and who knows who I will pop in as next. I may be a Tulip, Alex or a completely unrelated poster. All to keep you guessing and entertained. Got to keep your soap opera interesting.

    lol!!! You guys are a riot.

    steady Freddie,

    Here is how it works. You made the claim now back it up.

  150. on 19 Jul 2013 at 4:26 pm 150.Angus and Alexis said …

    Damn it, he is like a cockroach or something, cant kill it…

    Ontopic.

    Already been used, but i dont care.

    God is all powerful.
    Poor little timmy has cancer.
    People advertise everywhere “Timmy has cancer, pray for him.
    He doesnt get X amount of prayers, he dies.

    God is great.

  151. on 19 Jul 2013 at 4:57 pm 151.DPK said …

    Give it up Stan… no one is going to feed you. You have lost all credibility. You’re finished here.

  152. on 19 Jul 2013 at 5:43 pm 152.Anonymous said …

    Yep, his tactics give him away – that was part of the reason for the suggestion not to get drawn into off-topic evolution debates. It’s always Groundhog Day as far as “a” is concerned.

    As you can now see, he’s just trying to bait you into a position where he can switch socks and respond “prove it”. It doesn’t even matter if you are responding to an unfounded assertion or a strawman. From his position, it’s probably better that you are. His harping on the same diversions time after time indicates that he no interest in the answer; he just wants to draw you off-topic and then claim you are avoiding his questions.

    It’s with great irony that one notices that he used to get tripped up because he’d say preposterous things and would be forced to disappear, or change character, when asked for proof. Now he simply avoids answering questions and demands proof from others.

    A wonderful example of the evolution of a troll.

  153. on 19 Jul 2013 at 5:59 pm 153.Anonymous said …

    Angus and Alexis, “Timmy” might even get the correct number of prayers.

    I recently received one of those mass-emails that stated that “Timmy” had an incurable end-stage cancer but would people pray for him? Despite Timmy’s almost-certain death, some people responded that they were praying for his speedy recovery and that they knew that god would respond favorably.

    “Timmy” died despite these prayer vigils.

    Now, of course, the heads-I-win tails-you-lose excuses prevail. Timmy is now “at peace, he’s in a better place, he was called home by god, god did answer their prayers but had better plans for Timmy than anyone could imagine”. There were even some “Well, who are we to ask god to change his plans” – Huh? WTF were you praying for then?

    Apparently, their supposed god’s conception of a better place for Timmy was along the lines of being worm-food. At least their so-called god believes in recycling.

  154. on 19 Jul 2013 at 6:02 pm 154.Anonymous said …

    This may be a duplicate, the first one got stuck in never-never-land.

    Angus and Alexis, “Timmy” might even get the correct number of prayers.

    I recently received one of those mass-emails that stated that “Timmy” had an incurable end-stage cancer but would people pray for him? Despite Timmy’s almost-certain death, some people responded that they were praying for his speedy recovery and that they knew that god would respond favorably.

    “Timmy” died despite these prayer vigils.

    Now, of course, the heads-I-win tails-you-lose excuses prevail. Timmy is now “at peace, he’s in a better place, he was called home by god, god did answer their prayers but had better plans for Timmy than anyone could imagine”. There were even some “Well, who are we to ask god to change his plans” – Huh? WTF were you praying for then?

    Apparently, their supposed god’s conception of a better place for Timmy was along the lines of being worm-food. At least their so-called god believes in recycling.

  155. on 20 Jul 2013 at 2:07 am 155.Angus and Alexis said …

    154.Anonymous said …
    *SNIP*

    Well i know that, just stating part of the prayer insanity..

  156. on 20 Jul 2013 at 5:27 am 156.Anonymous said …

    Right you are mate, just agreeing with you and showing the complete nonsense that believers go through, all to defend the indefensible.

  157. on 20 Jul 2013 at 7:07 am 157.Angus and Alexis said …

    *mate*

    …Are you an aussie?…

    Hmm what else…

    *guy says prayer WILL heal animals*

    “Please pray for my dog to get better!”

    “No, i will not pray for your dog…”

    “How will i know prayer works then?”

    “Beats me, im not praying…”

  158. on 20 Jul 2013 at 7:31 pm 158.Anonymous said …

    Aussie? No, but you lads got the expression from somewhere else. Slightly off topic; Things I love about Oz; friendly and funny people, great scenery and things to do, with some awesomely “don’t mess with me” fauna. Too bad that your lot seem to be having that great sense of humor diluted by PCness gone crazy.

    Ah, but do animals go to heaven? According to the pastors I hear about, the answer is yes. However, I think the technical answer is no because they don’t have a soul (not that anyone has ever demonstrated one either).

    More cherry picking and simply deciding what’s true, all to make this “perfect message” conform with how some people want it to be. No wonder Wiki states that there’s some 41,000 different brands of the “one true religion” of Christianity.

  159. on 20 Jul 2013 at 7:51 pm 159.Ben said …

    “Firstly I see that you don’t understand how fossils work. Some are more obvious intermediates between certain ancestral and descendant groups but ALL are transitional.”

    Well it is true that I am not an archeologist. But if all fossils are transitional then why make a big deal out of Tiktaalik roseae? You are still holding on to claims made in 2008 and earlier which in no way supports what you were claiming. Fossilized tetrapod footprints have been found which predate Tiktaalik roseae.

  160. on 20 Jul 2013 at 8:15 pm 160.Anonymous said …

    Freddies_dead, note the style and tactics here.

    Besides trying to draw you into a side-issue, one in which the sock-puppets will just argue and argue and try to bait you into statements that they’ll demand you prove to them something that they have no intention of accepting, he’s not responded to your request for a source. He almost never does. Instead, he’s thrown the standard ID-lack of understanding at you, as if it’s a fact that you need to disprove. Which you don’t.

    If “A” (aka Ben) really wanted to understand this matter, he could find the information he desires in many places. He’s been repeatedly referred to talkorigins and whyevolutionistrue. He doesn’t go there because he’ll get his ass handed to him on a plate. Secondly, his desire is not knowledge, but disruption.

    Trolls. Feeding them is ill-advised.

  161. on 21 Jul 2013 at 2:45 am 161.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Aussie? No, but you lads got the expression from somewhere else.”

    Heretic! ‘Strayans had it first…

    “He’s been repeatedly referred to talkorigins and whyevolutionistrue. He doesn’t go there because he’ll get his ass handed to him on a plate.”

    It is easy to stay ignorant and dumb, but it takes effort to learn ;D

  162. on 21 Jul 2013 at 4:04 pm 162.Bob said …

    Look us Christians have a right to believe what we feel is right. We know the Bible is true because it was written a long time ago and yet its prophecies have come true. We have reason to believe that it ‘s true because we have proof. You guys saying that God doesn’t answer prayers is dumb, He answers all prayers, but sometimes HE SIMPLY SAYS NO. If God doesn’t cure cancer, its for a reason. If you die from cancer than God knows it ‘s time for you to leave and go and rejoice with him in heaven. God is not a free gift shop. We who pray, pray for what we think is humble and right. We don’t pray so we can get whatever we want. If your time on earth is not finished, then God will cure you. If God thinks your mission is done, then its your time to go. Remember, God loves you and no matter what you’ve done he will still accept you. You can contact me at trollteamsi6@gmail.com

    By the way I’m 11 and I have more sense than most of you adult nonbelievers.

  163. on 21 Jul 2013 at 7:56 pm 163.A said …

    “He’s been repeatedly referred to talkorigins and whyevolutionistrue. He doesn’t go there because he’ll get his ass handed to him on a plate.”

    That’s right folks. Mouse can’t tell me why evolution is true but he will get his big brother to do it for him.

    lol!!

    Mouse I can make a better case for evolution than you and I am a skeptic! Evolution and manmade climate change are not to be questioned!!!!

    The people cannot be allowed to think and if they do they will get the Avital treatment.

  164. on 21 Jul 2013 at 7:59 pm 164.A said …

    Ben

    You have got to stop poisoning the well with facts. You must toe the state line.

    Evolution is true. Evolution is true.

    Just keep chanting that for a few hours.

  165. on 21 Jul 2013 at 8:03 pm 165.DPK said …

    The troll is getting agitated because no one is paying attention to him.

  166. on 21 Jul 2013 at 8:53 pm 166.alex said …

    let the dipshit wallow in his filth. you know who you are, fuckhead.

  167. on 21 Jul 2013 at 10:19 pm 167.Anonymous said …

    Yep, his questions are irreverent diversions and don’t deserve answers. Particularly as he has now declared himself an expert. No need to seek answers from people who don’t understand as much as you.

    Two sock-puppets in a row haven’t got him back into the game, poor Ass. I can’t wait to see who he brings on as a substitute to turn up the fake heat.

    Nice hole he’s dug himself into.

    Whose on next?

  168. on 22 Jul 2013 at 12:11 am 168.A said …

    Lol!! This is so suspenseful! The atheists are responding to let me know I am being ignored. This is some of the funniest stuff I have ever seen.

    Ok, Ok, I know I an being ignored. No need to post just to let me know. Feel free to play with yourselves, please! Lol!!!

    I will attempt to stay on topic for the readers by pointing the inability of atheists to produce evidence for their beliefs. That is all that is needed here.

  169. on 22 Jul 2013 at 12:42 am 169.alex said …

    what’s that feet smell?

  170. on 22 Jul 2013 at 3:40 am 170.Angus and Alexis said …

    Smells like socks to me…

  171. on 22 Jul 2013 at 8:32 am 171.solomon said …

    There’s such a place called ((((HELL)))).
    If you disbelief just gaze at the SUN.
    That will give you some idea about ((((HELL))))!!!

  172. on 22 Jul 2013 at 2:31 pm 172.Angus and Alexis said …

    Look, a sock in its natural habitat, what a distubing sight to behold..

  173. on 22 Jul 2013 at 4:37 pm 173.freddies_dead said …

    149.A said …

    steady Freddie,

    Here is how it works. You made the claim now back it up.

    I made no claim. You asked for an example of evolution using the scientific method and I gave you one.

    I did, however, predict that you wouldn’t keep up your end of the bargain – giving evidence for the existence of your God. And now it transpires that I was dead right.

    Despite being given what you asked for you’ve dodged on the deal. What’s the matter? Not got any evidence? Is your belief so flimsy that you can’t back it up with a reasonable argument? Too busy trying to make up new sock-puppets?

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  174. on 22 Jul 2013 at 4:50 pm 174.freddies_dead said …

    159.Ben said …

    Well it is true that I am not an archeologist. But if all fossils are transitional then why make a big deal out of Tiktaalik roseae?

    Who made a big deal? I certainly didn’t. As I said, some are more obvious than others. Tiktaalik is one of those.

    You are still holding on to claims made in 2008 and earlier which in no way supports what you were claiming.

    I was asked for evidence of evolution found using the scientific method. Tiktaalik does that very nicely.

    Fossilized tetrapod footprints have been found which predate Tiktaalik roseae.

    Which in no way affects the fact that Tiktaalik was discovered using the scientific method. It doesn’t even change the importance of Tiktaalik to evolutionary biology because no-one ever claimed Tiktaalik was a direct linear ancestor of tetrapods. Evolution is a branching tree not a ladder.

  175. on 22 Jul 2013 at 7:59 pm 175.A said …

    Ben

    Freddy doing some fancy backing there. He thinks that fossil proves evolution using the scientific method! lol!!!

    First, look up scientific method and then using it, show how DNA evolved. It is really small so should be am easy task.

  176. on 22 Jul 2013 at 9:02 pm 176.freddies_dead said …

    175.A said …

    Ben

    Freddy doing some fancy backing there. He thinks that fossil proves evolution using the scientific method! lol!!!

    First, look up scientific method and then using it, show how DNA evolved. It is really small so should be am easy task.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  177. on 22 Jul 2013 at 9:41 pm 177.A said …

    Fred

    Before anyone takes you seriously, you must show you understand evidence. To do not.

    Besides, you brought up the fossil to me as if it proves evolution. My point is now QED.

  178. on 22 Jul 2013 at 11:33 pm 178.DPK said …

    Before anyone takes you seriously, you must show you are not a disingenuous, lying, deceitful troll.
    My point is now QED.
    Freddie… please don’t feed the troll.

  179. on 23 Jul 2013 at 2:55 am 179.Anonymous said …

    You’ll have better luck and success in teaching a pig to fly than to attempt an honest discourse on evolution with someone as dim as “a”. He’s hunkered down in an impenetrable bunker of ignorance along with his main man master J.
    ALL he can offer is “evolution is false” because his model for the past and present biodiversity on our planet is…………__________ HEY, he’s never stated a position. Anyone surprised?

  180. on 23 Jul 2013 at 4:09 am 180.Anonymous said …

    Our troll has had his fill of attention for now.

    Let’s look at what religion has done for us this month:

    Christians, just a head’s up. Wait until you get to the end before you play the “well, those were Muslims” card. Your segment, complete with the tradition of covering up for Christian priests who rape little boys, follows.

    http://goo.gl/eGVNx

  181. on 23 Jul 2013 at 8:40 am 181.freddies_dead said …

    177.A said …

    Fred

    Before anyone takes you seriously, you must show you understand evidence. To do not.

    Besides, you brought up the fossil to me as if it proves evolution. My point is now QED.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  182. on 23 Jul 2013 at 11:44 am 182.A said …

    Freddie,

    I learned the game from the best right here at WWGHA. See how quickly Mouse wants to change the subject? He doesn’t like evolution because he is afraid to look at honestly. The “gotcha” questions haunt him.

    But hey, I am a science guy. When it comes to science, knowing how often it is wrong, I only believe what can be proven. You have more faith than I can muster.

  183. on 23 Jul 2013 at 12:47 pm 183.Angus and Alexis said …

    “You’ll have better luck and success in teaching a pig to fly ”

    According to the muslim “Solomon”, all you need to make one is give it really big wings, and it will somehow fly… *facepalm*

  184. on 23 Jul 2013 at 1:26 pm 184.freddies_dead said …

    182.A said …

    Freddie,

    I learned the game from the best right here at WWGHA. See how quickly Mouse wants to change the subject? He doesn’t like evolution because he is afraid to look at honestly. The “gotcha” questions haunt him.

    But hey, I am a science guy. When it comes to science, knowing how often it is wrong, I only believe what can be proven. You have more faith than I can muster.

    Never mind A. We all know you’re incapable of giving us evidence for your God so we can go back to what you do so badly i.e. you avoiding questions while throwing out irrelevant diversions about evolution and answering yourself with whichever sock-puppet you think is best.

  185. on 23 Jul 2013 at 6:19 pm 185.Anonymous said …

    “a”
    “I am a science guy.”

    As a “science guy”, you know that science is peer reviewed, right?

    Allow me to demonstrate the way it works: Mr Darwin didn’t like the idea of the day back in the 1850’s, which would have been that species are made by a god and are “fixed”. Mr Darwin came up with a new model to explain the abundant biodiversity of life. The idea challenged thinking of the day in the 18 fucking 50’s; and continues to baffle the internet trolls of today ;-) .

    Over the past 150+ years of review and challenge, the theory is as sound as ever. So, if you’ve got a better model for all the biodiversity on our planet, then let’s hear it, “science guy”.

  186. on 23 Jul 2013 at 7:02 pm 186.A said …

    If the theory is uh, um, so “Sound”, why can’t you provide proof supported using the scientific method?

    If it is so “Sound” why are there scientist in great abundance who question the veracity and many who are not Christian?

    If it is so “Sound” why did Crick propose his alien theory?

    If it is sound then why must many scientist be forced to confess to believe with threat of no tenure when they truly have doubts?

    Why is it the only theory one is not allowed to question?

    You are right, it is sound ad ever. Not!

  187. on 23 Jul 2013 at 7:17 pm 187.Anonymous said …

    “a”
    “If it is so “Sound” why are there scientist in great abundance who question the veracity and many who are not Christian?”

    References, please.

  188. on 23 Jul 2013 at 7:23 pm 188.Anonymous said …

    “a”
    “If it is so “Sound” why did Crick propose his alien theory?”

    I believe he had a hypothesis, not a theory. C’mon “science guy”, don’t you know the difference.

    Besides, it sounds like his idea is about panspermia -it’s got nothing to do with evolution. Real whiz kid in the sciences that you’re turning out to be.

  189. on 23 Jul 2013 at 7:26 pm 189.Anonymous said …

    “a”
    “Why is it the only theory one is not allowed to question?”

    Got a better model? Let’s hear it. I would love to find a new and better explanation. So far I haven’t found one. Maybe you’ve found god, right “science guy”?

  190. on 23 Jul 2013 at 7:43 pm 190.A said …

    If ToE is so sound, why did Crick need his alien theory? Hmmm? Why not accept the sound theory? Alien theory has everything to do with ToE. How do you think it started silly?

    References? Silly mouse, you really do not know there are multitudes of scientist who question ToE. Run over to google.com and type in your question. Very cool site. Many must keep it quiet in order to earn a living. Sssshhhh

    Better model? I thought ToE was sound? Show it off a little rather than running from it.

  191. on 23 Jul 2013 at 7:53 pm 191.Anonymous said …

    189 – He won’t answer your questions, nor will he present any alternatives. He never does.

    All he will do is question and taunt you with the intention of derailing conversation pertinent to the purpose of this blog.

    Please don’t feed the troll.

  192. on 23 Jul 2013 at 8:51 pm 192.A said …

    IF ToE is so sound, why did Crick need his alien theory? Hmmm? Why not accept the sound theory? Alien theory has everything to do with ToE. How do you think it started silly?

    References? Silly mouse, you really do not know there are multitudes of scientist who question ToE. Run over to google.com and type in your question. Very cool site. Many must keep it quiet in order to earn a living. Sssshhhh

    Better model? I thought ToE was sound? Show it off a little rather than running from it

  193. on 24 Jul 2013 at 11:31 am 193.alex said …

    “Please don’t feed the troll.”

    yeah, but i don’t have to eat his bullshit god.

  194. on 24 Jul 2013 at 11:36 am 194.Anonymous said …

    You don’t and you shouldn’t. We can leave that kind of behavior to Catholic priests.

    But don’t forget A is also the pigeon that struts around crapping on the chessboard. I’m pretty sure you don’t want to eat that crap either.

  195. on 25 Jul 2013 at 12:49 am 195.solomon said …

    Anonymous,

    Provide fossil proofs of the transition from ape to men that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.How come an ape woke up in the morning and suddenly finds himself transformed into a human.

    Every transformation of species is just a new creation. That’s more full proof.

  196. on 25 Jul 2013 at 12:47 pm 196.Anonymous said …

    So, guys, remember when A boasted he was “everyone on this board?

    Notice how he gets shut up that it goes very quiet?

    How 40 Y-asshole would appear when A needed a new diversion? And we find out Stan was A too?

    Now, “Solomon” appears, very much in the style of A mixed with messy combined with curmudgeon, to continue the game. But notice how the asshole spelled the name “incorrectly”?

    Oh dear, hor… busted again. No troll soup for you.

  197. on 25 Jul 2013 at 1:59 pm 197.alex said …

    “Oh dear, hor… busted again. No troll soup for you.”

    ha, ha. thanks.

  198. on 25 Jul 2013 at 5:03 pm 198.A said …

    Lol!!! Now I am Solomon. The paranoid of mouse and crew is delicious. This is so entertaining. Who is me? Who is not? Lol!!

    I’m DPK and Alex too. And The Judge, I’m him too! [that’s from and old song for the idiots].

    Mousey you are sooo paranoid not to mention soooo wrong, as always! Lol!!! But you are fun to watch, much like a caged skunk.

  199. on 25 Jul 2013 at 8:15 pm 199.Anonymous said …

    Oh my gosh! He’s so cute when he’s lying – it’s almost a shame that hi.s not going to be taken seriously here again

    Hey, who else remembers the last time the fool tried the “you’re paranoid” line?

    If you missed it, it was a classic. Poor Hor outed himself as he usually does and got called on it. He then retorted back that we were paranoid and so on… but the idiot forgot to change his socks and he made his denial from the wrong sock puppet! LOL indeed.

    Imagine, that. Getting busted for being a sock-puppet, then claiming innocence from a further-different sock-puppet. Thus outing himself a second time!

    What a twat.

  200. on 25 Jul 2013 at 8:15 pm 200.Anonymous said …

    From “a”, aka “science guy”

    “Better model? I thought ToE was sound? Show it off a little rather than running from it.”

    For me it’s somple: It’s either evolution or goddidit. Yeah, it’s as sound as can be, to me anyway (and an increasing number of Yankees).
    It’s where the evidence takes you, just google it. It really is a wonderful site. Hey, there’s even xtians who subscribe. LOL!!!

    Found something interesting: Belief in Evolution Up, Majority of Americans Believe God Involved
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/poll-evolution-god/2013/07/24/id/516757

    “Thirty-seven percent say they believe God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years”

    Wow, 37% of Yankees have their heads up their asses. I guess it’s an improvement from a hundred years ago. Congrats!!!

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