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Islam Thomas on 18 Jun 2013 12:57 am

Religious education teaches insanity

When people who are religious are allowed to teach children, they often end up indoctrinating the children in nonsense, as documented by Richard Dawkins in this video inside an Islamic school:

It can take children years to recover from this indoctrination, if they recover at all.

460 Responses to “Religious education teaches insanity”

  1. on 05 Jul 2013 at 4:45 pm 1.The messenger said …

    195.Fluttershy, if they have sex because they are trying to have a child then it is alright if it fails. But if they have sex just to fuel their list then it is a sin.

  2. on 05 Jul 2013 at 5:38 pm 2.The messenger said …

    196.Fluttershy, GOD puts problems in our lives and plans out struggles in our lives so that we will learn good from evil, then eventually we will all go to heaven. GOD wants us to overcome evil.

    He is trying to teach us to not do evil, by showing us what evil is, how to combat it, and what the punishment of evil is.

  3. on 05 Jul 2013 at 10:43 pm 3.The messenger said …

    197.alex, GOD wants gay people to resist their desire for homosexual sex. He is teaching them to use will power.

    Mentally disabled people do not have to resist anything. They are given test of their own, some of which we do not know about.

    White and black people are both equal. GOD loves all people equally.

  4. on 05 Jul 2013 at 10:46 pm 4.DPK said …

    170.A said …

    “IF [ X = true ], THEN [ Object = Valid ]”
    40 YA,
    Another great challenge but no atheist here is interested in discussions requiring thought, logic or reason.”

    So “A” is going to once again dodge the challenge to put his brains where his mouth is and not use 40’s “process” which he thinks is “great” to prove his god exists. No surprise there.

    Tell you what, forget god… I challenge 40yr, or “A” or any of the theists to use 40’s challenge to prove the nonexistence of ANYTHING. Let’s start with a simple one: Leprachauns.

    Show us using 40’s formula that you can demonstrate the non-existence of Leprachauns using logic and reason. Show your work. If you can’t, well then what good is an intellectual exercise if it can’t even demonstrate something an 8 year old knows? Answer: None whatsoever.

  5. on 06 Jul 2013 at 12:15 am 5.Matt said …

    “Deduce Atheism using Science.”

    The 40 Year guy is an idiot. Since proves no gods exist therefore since does prove atheism. The rest of his claims collapse after that.

  6. on 06 Jul 2013 at 1:23 am 6.DPK said …

    Matt, the shill, returns.
    I’ll save Ass the trouble of having to change his screen name back to challenge himself, and in the process, divert attention from his latest embarrassment.
    Tell us Matt, er, Ass… Exactly how does science “prove no gods exist”?

  7. on 06 Jul 2013 at 2:39 am 7.Fluttershy said …

    “no, he don’t. gay people have choices. just like retards, blacks, poor people and tribesman. retards have a choice NOT to be mental. black people, if they pray hard enough, can be white. poor people just need to work harder and pick smart lottery numbers instead of the random shit the machine prints out. tribesman should have choiced to be born in the good ole u.s.a.
    see this shit? if messenger uttered these total bullshit, i bet not a single xtian motherfucker would say anything. if i said ALL atheists believe that ufos populated this planet, “bullshit” would be forthcoming.
    so, until you got some proof for that religious shit you’re teaching, insanity it stays.”

    Ummm alex….im on your side….

    I was saying how stupid “gods plan” is, being that if he had a plan, he deliberately sets people up to go to hell…

  8. on 06 Jul 2013 at 3:54 am 8.The messenger said …

    207.Fluttershy, GOD made those people gay so that they will learn to resist certain sexual desires. He is teaching them.

    You won’t go to hell for being gay. It takes much worse things to happen in order to cause that.

    It is not bad to be black. GOD loves all people nomatter what skin color they are.

    If GOD wanted them to become white he would make them white. The fact that he does not change them proves that he loves them just the way they are.

    GOD stated that being poor is good because they will never know greed. Being poor helps them realize that friends and family are more important than money.

    It is not bad to be rich either, but sometimes rich people will forget about friends and family, and they might become obsess with their money. But that us not always the case. A rich person must never loose respect for his power, and he must live family and friends more than his or her money.

    CHRISTIANITY and JUDAISM are the teaching of love, loyalty, forgivness, humility, kindness, and compassion.

    There is nothing bad about it.

  9. on 06 Jul 2013 at 3:58 am 9.The messenger said …

    GOD loves all people.

    He does not care about what their skin color is.

    GOD created all humans in his image, including black people.

    I do not understand why you think that he discriminates.

    GOD loves all people. He might not approve of their actions, but he will never stop loving them.

  10. on 06 Jul 2013 at 5:12 am 10.alex said …

    “Ummm alex….im on your side….”

    sorry, i guess my post wasn’t clear. i’m an atheist and english is my second language.

  11. on 06 Jul 2013 at 6:21 am 11.Fluttershy said …

    Its all good ;D
    To make mistakes is to be human xD

    Although…i have to admit, my post want very clear…

    Where ya from anyway?

    Im from australia.

  12. on 06 Jul 2013 at 6:25 am 12.The messenger said …

    210.alex, you use inlosh profanity alot.

    It would be better if you could not type or talk.

  13. on 06 Jul 2013 at 6:55 am 13.The messenger said …

    210.alex, you use English profanity alot.
    It would be better if you could not type or talk.

    I accidentally typed “inlosh”in comment 212 instead of the word “English.”

    I was tired.

  14. on 06 Jul 2013 at 12:08 pm 14.alex said …

    “Where ya from anyway?”

    i’m a transplanted filipino, the slant-eyed, noodle-eating, kung-fu fighting, bad-driving, computer-programming, buck-toothed, accented, korean, vietnamese, chinese, malaysian, foul-mouthed atheist.

    haters, start your engines.

  15. on 06 Jul 2013 at 3:08 pm 15.Fluttershy said …

    214
    Alex said
    *snip*

    Are you actualy filipino?

  16. on 06 Jul 2013 at 3:09 pm 16.Fluttershy said …

    “210.alex, you use English profanity alot.
    It would be better if you could not type or talk.”

    Who died and named you king?

  17. on 06 Jul 2013 at 3:11 pm 17.Fluttershy said …

    I happen to be a angler, bogan, non-drunk, blonde, thong (shoe, not panties) wearing, smart (at some things…) australian with a tulpa ;D

    Names Angus by the way…

  18. on 06 Jul 2013 at 4:15 pm 18.alex said …

    “Are you actualy filipino?”

    yep, big time catholic indoctrinated. early on, my righteous, hypocrite relatives predicted my hellish destiny. not impressed.

  19. on 06 Jul 2013 at 7:22 pm 19.The messenger said …

    216.Fluttershy, who came in the night and gave Alex brain trauma?

  20. on 07 Jul 2013 at 1:35 am 20.alex said …

    “..who came in the night and gave Alex brain trauma?”

    dumbass, is this your god proof? you, the temporary hell perpetrator? who said dinosaurs descended from the ark animals? yours truly, dipshit, messenger.

    why don’t you cut off your foreskin and offer it to your god? be generous and cut off an extra inch or two. then burn it because your bullshit god loves the aroma of burnt flesh, si?

  21. on 07 Jul 2013 at 1:46 am 21.Fluttershy said …

    “216.Fluttershy, who came in the night and gave Alex brain trauma?”

    Hmm…
    Didn’t know alex has brain damage.
    Likely suspect would either be a crazy theist, or a thief who likes to lobotomise people.

    Although, who died and named you king?
    Was it god?

    Back on topic.

    Messenger shot out….
    “Killing an unborn child is nothing like killing a fish. A fish cannot feel any emotion, and it does not have the same intelligence capability as a human. And lastly a fish does not have a soul. It is not murder to kill a fish and eat it.”

    First off, souls don’t exist, life as we know it is entirely a complex chemical reaction.
    Also, an unborn child is ironically less intelligent than a fish. Ever seen unborn children do complex tasks? because fish can…
    Also, an unborn child does not have any emotions, depending on what stage they are in, they don’t even have a brain, or a heart, don’t you believe that “souls” are in the heart or something?

  22. on 07 Jul 2013 at 1:59 am 22.Fluttershy said …

    Messenger also shot out of his gun….
    “You won’t go to hell for being gay. It takes much worse things to happen in order to cause that.”

    You dare defy the most sacred of books?
    The Holy Bible?

    Such hearsay will not be tolerated, may you be smite by god.

    In all seriousness, the bible states that being gay will equal hell.
    So don’t go saying that it says otherwise.

    “197.alex, GOD wants gay people to resist their desire for homosexual sex. He is teaching them to use will power.”

    What do you theists have against the gays?
    Did some rally of gays burn your house or something?
    Seriously, leave them alone…

    “GOD created all humans in his image, including black people.”

    God is said to be perfect, humans have serious design flaws, therefore god has design flaws, which means he is not perfect, and thus doesnt exist…

    “CHRISTIANITY and JUDAISM are the teaching of love, loyalty, forgivness, humility, kindness, and compassion.”

    Please tell me where stoning to death, slaves and animal sacrifice fit in to those….

    200.The messenger said …
    *snip*

    Wow….
    Huffington post….so reliable… A+ for effort.

    That aside, you know what that proves?
    It proves some people as simply not as nice as others, would i cheat on my wife? Hell no, she would deserve too much respect.
    Would other people? Possibly, they have their reasons, but its still pretty bad…

  23. on 07 Jul 2013 at 4:49 am 23.The messenger said …

    221.Fluttershy, can you prove that souls do not exist?

    I have given you proof of GOD, and therefore souls exist too.

    Tell me, why are humans the only creatures on earth that can feel love, compassion, greed, hate, fear, and anger?

    Can science explain why humans feel love, hate, compassion, or greed?

    Furthermore, can science explain why humans are the only features on earth that feel emotion? The bible explains all of this.

    Can science explain why humans feel shame about there reproductive organs? The bible explains this.

    There is much that science cannot explain, but the bible can explain

  24. on 07 Jul 2013 at 4:56 am 24.The messenger said …

    220.alex, tell me, have you ever been to a barbecue or eaten a hamburger?

    All of those things smell of burning flesh and you love the smell of it.

    GOD loves the smell of cooked animal meat, what is so bad about that?

    The removal of forskin is a mark that symbolizes a person’s relationship with GOD. There is nothing bad about it.

  25. on 07 Jul 2013 at 5:07 am 25.The messenger said …

    221.Fluttershy, souls inhabit the entire body, not just the heart.

    Visualize it this way. When you were in your mother’s whom you were one of these so called “brainless” creatures. Yet now you have an entire life, you have a job, you have a family, and friends. If you kill an unborn child you will also kill all of his, or her chances of acquiring any of that. Therefore you are not only commuting murder, you are also stealing his or her life.

  26. on 07 Jul 2013 at 5:36 am 26.The messenger said …

    222.Fluttershy, the bible does not state that gay people will go to hell, it only states that having gay sex is bad.

    You are a liar.

    We have nothing against gay people. We love all people. But I already told you that it causes nothing but lust, and lust causes people , such as tiger woods. To cheat and anger their spouses. Lust also causes people to go find hookers. And it can also cause young men and wemon to molest small children.

    Sex has one good perpose, reproduction. Gay sex does not cause reproduction, therefore can oly cause the filling things that I listed above.

    The word “image” means a representation of the EXTERNAL form of a person or thing. Therefore, GOD made all humans look like his outward apperiance. Therefore, mankind only looks like GOD, they are NOT PERFECT LIKE GOD.

    Humans only have the outward apperence of GOD. They do not have his knowlage or his perfection.

    Stoning is a metaphore used to represent a form of punishment. Not necessarily a death sentence.

    Jesus proved this in the new testement when he prevented a woman from literally being stoned to death.

  27. on 08 Jul 2013 at 1:49 am 27.Fluttershy said …

    “Tell me, why are humans the only creatures on earth that can feel love, compassion, greed, hate, fear, and anger?”

    Because we aren’t?
    You know that simpler creatures (Monkeys, elephants, etc.) also have emotions, although they are far less complex.

    “Can science explain why humans feel love, hate, compassion, or greed?”

    Indeed it can, its merely an adaption of behaviour, and is created by electrical impulses in your organic super computer called a “Brain”.

    “221.Fluttershy, can you prove that souls do not exist?”

    The mere concept is ridiculous, life is not from “souls” and having a “soul” doesn’t govern what has emotions. Life is just one complex chemical reaction, thats it.

    “Can science explain why humans feel shame about there reproductive organs? The bible explains this.”

    Ever thought of it being a side effect of our sentience?

    “”All of those things smell of burning flesh and you love the smell of it.”

    WRONG, you forgot to add tomato sauce in there.

    “Visualize it this way. When you were in your mother’s whom you were one of these so called “brainless” creatures. Yet now you have an entire life, you have a job, you have a family, and friends. If you kill an unborn child you will also kill all of his, or her chances of acquiring any of that. Therefore you are not only commuting murder, you are also stealing his or her life.”

    If you kill the unborn child, you never ruin anything, because it is dead, it never would have been born, and hence wouldn’t of ever had any chances.
    Learn how time works…

    “Sex has one good perpose, reproduction. Gay sex does not cause reproduction, therefore can oly cause the filling things that I listed above.”

    So me eating a chocolate sundae for pleasure and not food is a sin?
    Yeah, again, that is discrimination.

    “The word “image” means a representation of the EXTERNAL form of a person or thing. Therefore, GOD made all humans look like his outward apperiance. Therefore, mankind only looks like GOD, they are NOT PERFECT LIKE GOD.”

    Yeah, we have ALOT of external flaws, hence god is imperfect, also, CAPS LOCK DOESNT MAKE YOUR POST ANY MORE POWERFUL.

    “But I already told you that it causes nothing but lust.”

    You fail to see where two gays having sex causes a “relationship” and not lust *facepalm*

    “Jesus proved this in the new testement when he prevented a woman from literally being stoned to death.”

    The old testament is gods word, god is perfect, so thus the literal stoning is real.

    Care to explain why religious schools teach fiction as fact?

  28. on 08 Jul 2013 at 4:30 am 28.The messenger said …

    227.Fluttershy, have you ever seen a “elephant feel sorry for trampling a smaller creature? Have you ever seen a “monkey” express greed or jealousy? I have never seen any of those things happen. Have you ever seen a squeral express quilt? I quess you saw those things durring one of your shock therapy session at the mental ward.

    If we evolved from ape like creatures then why have we not seen any other types of intelligent life on earth besides humans?

    If GOD did not make humans the dominate speicies on earth, why do we not see other forms of dominate, intelligent beings on earth besides humans?

    How did our “sentience” cause us to feel shame?

    You stated that animals could feel emotions, therefore you apparently consider animals to be sentient as well. So if animals are sentient why do they not feel shame for their reproductive organs like humans do?

    How is that discrimination? We have nothing against gay people. We love all people. But I already told you that it causes nothing but lust, and lust causes people , such as tiger woods, to cheat and anger their spouses. Lust also causes people to go find hookers. And it can also cause young men and wemon to molest small children.

    The “no gay sex rule” prevents divorces, child molesting, using hookers, and cheating on spouses.

    Lastly, how is that discrimination when the rule applies to straight and gay people? And furthermore GOD opposes lust, and therefore sex should only be used for reproductive purposes(neither straight or gay people should have sex to get lust).

    Dating and conversations can cause a “reslationship” without causing lust.

    There are many starving people in the world. Therefore, if you eat more than what your body requiers to survive, you are being greedy and WASTEFUL. Therefore, yes it is a sin.

    Non of GOD’s laws stated anything about a litteral stoning. Stoning is just a metaphor that GOD used to teach the people to punish sinners.

    Yes, GOD never taught anyone to literally stone someone in the Old Testament, he only taught them to metaphorically stone a person.

    The new testement is also the word of GOD.

    The only testament also states that muder is a sin.

    The bible is fact, not fiction.

  29. on 08 Jul 2013 at 12:33 pm 29.phil said …

    If we care about humanity, we have a duty to stand up to the intolerant of the world, no matter what god they claim commands them to behave inhumanely. We also have a duty to oppose those who claim immunity from the prohibition of abusing children because of their belief in some god. To claim that children should not be educated in science or in the religious beliefs of others—or that they should not receive proper medical care—because their parents believe some god forbids it, is immoral.

  30. on 08 Jul 2013 at 10:17 pm 30.The messenger said …

    229.phil, my GOD loves all people, even if they do not believe in him.

    He gives the a choice to either believe in him or not. Either way he loves them.

    I am educated in science and I am a catholic.

  31. on 09 Jul 2013 at 11:05 am 31.freddies_dead said …

    228.The messenger said …

    227.Fluttershy, have you ever seen a “elephant feel sorry for trampling a smaller creature? Have you ever seen a “monkey” express greed or jealousy? I have never seen any of those things happen. Have you ever seen a squeral express quilt? I quess you saw those things durring one of your shock therapy session at the mental ward.

    I see you’ve decided to act as big a douchebag as the God you think exists is reported to act in the Bible. You want emotion in animals, well, here you go, start here.

    If we evolved from ape like creatures then why have we not seen any other types of intelligent life on earth besides humans?

    I get that when you look in the mirror you don’t see any intelligent life but that does not mean it does not exist.

    If GOD did not make humans the dominate speicies on earth, why do we not see other forms of dominate, intelligent beings on earth besides humans?

    There are plenty of intelligent species on the planet and some of them are plenty clever enough to dominate their respective ecological niches. That we are the most intelligent species on Earth is irrelevant.

    How did our “sentience” cause us to feel shame?

    It didn’t.

    You stated that animals could feel emotions, therefore you apparently consider animals to be sentient as well. So if animals are sentient why do they not feel shame for their reproductive organs like humans do?

    Because animals aren’t indoctrinated – usually by some bullshit religious cult or other – from an early age to feel ashamed about things they shouldn’t feel ashamed of.

    cont’d…

  32. on 09 Jul 2013 at 11:09 am 32.freddies_dead said …

    cont’d…

    How is that discrimination? We have nothing against gay people. We love all people. But I already told you that it causes nothing but lust, and lust causes people , such as tiger woods, to cheat and anger their spouses. Lust also causes people to go find hookers. And it can also cause young men and wemon to molest small children.

    The “no gay sex rule” prevents divorces, child molesting, using hookers, and cheating on spouses.

    Ahh, the old favourite – falsely link homosexuality to child molestation – even for a Christian you really are a vile human being. You’re also a pathetic liar, just how does banning gay sex stop heterosexuals from cheating on their partners, getting divorced or using prostitutes? It doesn’t and it certainly hasn’t stopped the widespread practice of Catholic priests raping small children and having the Church cover up their despicable crimes.

    cont’d…

  33. on 09 Jul 2013 at 11:10 am 33.freddies_dead said …

    cont’d…

    Lastly, how is that discrimination when the rule applies to straight and gay people? And furthermore GOD opposes lust, and therefore sex should only be used for reproductive purposes(neither straight or gay people should have sex to get lust).

    It doesn’t apply to straight and gay people – it’s only the gays that you don’t want to see have the right to marry and have sexual relationships.

    Dating and conversations can cause a “reslationship” without causing lust.

    Just not in gays right? Bigot.

    There are many starving people in the world.

    Another thing we can thank your douchebag God for…

    Therefore, if you eat more than what your body requiers to survive, you are being greedy and WASTEFUL. Therefore, yes it is a sin.

    Except, should your professed worldview be true, then it is God’s will that you eat more than what your body requires. Why does your God insist on forcing people to commit sins He knows will see them tortured for all eternity? I may have mentioned it already but your God sounds like a complete douchebag.

    cont’d…

  34. on 09 Jul 2013 at 11:10 am 34.freddies_dead said …

    cont’d…

    Non of GOD’s laws stated anything about a litteral stoning. Stoning is just a metaphor that GOD used to teach the people to punish sinners.

    Yes, GOD never taught anyone to literally stone someone in the Old Testament, he only taught them to metaphorically stone a person.

    Lying again:

    And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

    If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

    If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her … and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel’s father shall say … these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. … But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

    If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers … thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

    If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother … Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city … And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    etc… etc… etc…

    There’s nothing metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die” you lying turd.

    The new testement is also the word of GOD.

    The only testament also states that muder is a sin.

    The bible is fact, not fiction.

    The Bible is a book of myths and bullshit … mostly bullshit.

  35. on 09 Jul 2013 at 1:59 pm 35.Fluttershy said …

    “There are many starving people in the world. Therefore, if you eat more than what your body requiers to survive, you are being greedy and WASTEFUL. Therefore, yes it is a sin.”

    So we should be afraid of Banna split sundaes? There’s a new one.

    “227.Fluttershy, have you ever seen a “elephant feel sorry for trampling a smaller creature? Have you ever seen a “monkey” express greed or jealousy? I have never seen any of those things happen. Have you ever seen a squeral express quilt?”

    I have seen an elephant cry over its dead baby, birds and fish express love and passion for each other and dogs showing happiness. Or are those not emotions in your viewpoint?

    “The “no gay sex rule” prevents divorces, child molesting, using hookers, and cheating on spouses.”

    Utter bullshit. Its discrimination and you should be ashamed for it.

    “We love all people.”

    You either hate atheists, other religions, and gays. Or you exclude them as people, which one is it?

    “Dating and conversations can cause a “reslationship” without causing lust.”

    You know what, your right, it can make relationships. You however, need to understand that people like to get closer in their relationships…

    “If we evolved from ape like creatures then why have we not seen any other types of intelligent life on earth besides humans?”

    If we were created by god, why isn’t there any other intelligent life besides humans? Also, cephalopods, birds and dolphins are pretty darn smart.

    “Non of GOD’s laws stated anything about a litteral stoning. Stoning is just a metaphor that GOD used to teach the people to punish sinners.”

    freddies_dead took the liberty of correcting this. (bible is such a wretched book)

    “If GOD did not make humans the dominate speicies on earth, why do we not see other forms of dominate, intelligent beings on earth besides humans?”

    Because there can only be one dominant species? Seriously, learn the english language….that, and sharks (and killer whales) dominate the seas, eagles dominate the air, and in terms of mass, ants dominate the ground, in all reality, we are kinda weak XD

    “The only testament also states that muder is a sin.”

    Good, that means that my slaves who are gay and hence cannot go into heaven will last longer as i cannot fatally whip them, also let me burn some flesh and cut some skin off my genitals. No seriously, circumcision is effed up, its merely disfiguring and serves no purpose…

  36. on 09 Jul 2013 at 2:15 pm 36.Angus and Alexis said …

    Hello, Fluttershy here, i am renaming myself to further gain attention to my tulpa and (when she gains sentience) express her opinion ;D

    “Have you ever seen a “monkey” express greed or jealousy?”

    had to reply to this.
    Yes, i have seen a monkey express greed and jealousy.
    He took an orange from another monkey and ate it, the other monkey got jealous, looked pissed off (anger as well) and stole a starfruit from the monkey that took his orange.

    Well, okay, it was an orang-utan, still a primate though.

    “How did our “sentience” cause us to feel shame?”

    It enabled our self awareness, hence we developed shame, embarrassment, etc. Heck, monkeys show shame after doing stupid stuff, and they aren’t fully sentient.

    “You stated that animals could feel emotions, therefore you apparently consider animals to be sentient as well. So if animals are sentient why do they not feel shame for their reproductive organs like humans do?”

    Emotions are not linked to sentience.
    For example, many creatures show sorrow, yet elephants are the only ones that can cry. Birds kiss and show love, Komodo dragons have love, and they cannot kiss. Humans can kiss, cry, laugh, smile, frown, the works, but we are sentient (which helps due to the self awareness).

    The reason for why animals do not care about their reproductive organs is simple. Their minds recognise taboos differently.

    An intelligent rabbit may look at our diet in disgust, yet we love eating meat (well, some of us…)
    An intelligent baboon may ponder why we dont show our asses off to the females for attention. (and might praise ruffians for Mooning XD)

  37. on 09 Jul 2013 at 9:16 pm 37.messenger said …

    234.Fluttershy, you can eat anything, but it has to satisfy your physical need for food.

    If you want eat ice cream you can eat ice cream, but it has to satisfy your daily need for food.

  38. on 09 Jul 2013 at 9:20 pm 38.messenger said …

    The reason that the monkey attacks the other monkey for the orange is because he is trying to consume the amount of food that he needs in order to survive. That is not greed or anger, that is just the need to consume food.

  39. on 09 Jul 2013 at 9:32 pm 39.messenger said …

    234.Angus and Alexis, tell me, how do you know that a rabbit can even feel discusted about anything?

  40. on 09 Jul 2013 at 9:44 pm 40.messenger said …

    234.Angus and Alexis, you did not give an answer to my question”how did our sentience make us feel shame for or reproductive organs?”, you only restated the question.

  41. on 09 Jul 2013 at 9:47 pm 41.messenger said …

    234.Angus and Alexis, for animals, crying is not a emotional thing, it is a physical thing. An elephant produces tears in order to prevent it’s eyes for drying out in certain situations. Other animals do not need to tear up because of the way that water is distributed throught their bodies and to their eyes.

  42. on 09 Jul 2013 at 10:00 pm 42.The messenger said …

    233.Fluttershy, humans are the dominate species on earth.

    Humans can squash ants by just taking a step, and we have the intelligence to make poisons that kill ants.

    Humans have hunted and killed whales and sharks for many centuries, even before we developed modern weapon systems.

    Humans dominate the air with planes, and we can easily kill eagles with guns.

    We have the ability to wipe out all life on earth with atomic bombs.

    We eat many different species on earth.

    We are dominate.

    If evolution is true then there could possibly be another species on earth that is equally dominate over animals. Therefore, why is there only one dominate speicies on earth?

  43. on 09 Jul 2013 at 10:36 pm 43.The messenger said …

    233.freddies_dead, the word “death” in that bible passage does not mean a litteral death, it means the death of the evil within that person.

    It is a metaphore.

    Have you ever heard the metaphorical phrase “cry me a river”? It does not mean literally crying a river, it means that a person is crying alot.

    I live by the bible, the bible states that lying is a sin, therefore I am not lying about this.

  44. on 09 Jul 2013 at 10:41 pm 44.The messenger said …

    234.Fluttershy, removing a forskin is a good thing. A foreskin is painful, and hard to clean under. It can also allow bacteria to grow underneath it, thus causing an infection.

    In biblical times, people removed their foreskins as a perminent mark on them, symbolizing a person’s loyalty to GOD.

  45. on 09 Jul 2013 at 10:59 pm 45.The messenger said …

    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    The bible teaches people to not hate anyone.

  46. on 09 Jul 2013 at 11:01 pm 46.The messenger said …

    blessed are the merciful

    The bible states that we should be merciful.

    The Bible is good.

  47. on 09 Jul 2013 at 11:04 pm 47.The messenger said …

    The Parable of the Good Samaritan

    25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

    26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

    27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”

    28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

    29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

    30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

    36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

    37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

    Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

    The bible teaches us to help people.

    The bible is good.

  48. on 09 Jul 2013 at 11:07 pm 48.The messenger said …

    Thou shall not lie

    The bible teaches us to be honest.

  49. on 10 Jul 2013 at 2:27 am 49.The messenger said …

    Straight people are not allowed to have sex unless it is for reproduction, because the only other reason would be for lust, and lust causes people to cheat on their spouses(like a lot of celebrities), or find hookers, or molest children. Gay people are not allowed to have sex unless it is for reproduction(no same gender sex), because the only other reason would be lust, and lust causes people to cheat on their spouses, find hookers, or molest children.

    The same rules apply to both straight and gay people.

    It is not discrimination.

  50. on 10 Jul 2013 at 11:23 am 50.The messenger said …

    I will not be able to respond to my comment for 4 days due to fact that I will be away from my house to help out a friend.

  51. on 11 Jul 2013 at 12:05 pm 51.freddies_dead said …

    243.The messenger said …

    233.freddies_dead, the word “death” in that bible passage does not mean a litteral death, it means the death of the evil within that person.

    It is a metaphore.

    Have you ever heard the metaphorical phrase “cry me a river”? It does not mean literally crying a river, it means that a person is crying alot.

    I live by the bible, the bible states that lying is a sin, therefore I am not lying about this.

    Liar, liar, pants on fire. You are absolutely lying. You’re lying through your teeth. It’s laughable to me but other Christians should be horrified at how blatantly you’re lying about words you believe were inspired by your God.

    I repeat:
    There’s nothing metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die” you lying turd.

    They don’t stop stoning him when they they figure the evil is gone – they stone him until he is dead.

    You sir, are a fucking liar.

  52. on 11 Jul 2013 at 12:18 pm 52.freddies_dead said …

    244.The messenger said …

    234.Fluttershy, removing a forskin is a good thing. A foreskin is painful, and hard to clean under. It can also allow bacteria to grow underneath it, thus causing an infection.

    The liar is lying again. As someone who has a foreskin I’d like to point out that it’s not at all painful and really fucking easy to keep clean. Anyone with access to soap and water and a passing acquaintance with personal hygiene need not worry about bacteria.

    Stop fucking lying.

  53. on 11 Jul 2013 at 12:23 pm 53.freddies_dead said …

    249.The messenger said …

    The same rules apply to both straight and gay people.

    It is not discrimination.

    More fucking lies.

    Nowhere do we see Christians trying to ban sex/marriages with sterile people or couples who plan not to have children or older couples where the woman is no longer capable of bearing children.

    Sex does not automatically equal lust – even when it’s not for reproduction – you bigoted fuckwit.

  54. on 11 Jul 2013 at 12:28 pm 54.freddies_dead said …

    240.messenger said …

    234.Angus and Alexis, you did not give an answer to my question”how did our sentience make us feel shame for or reproductive organs?”, you only restated the question.

    I answered it. Sentience has no bearing on us feeling shame about our reproductive organs. Watch any small baby/child – not one of them show any sign of shame about being naked. It’s not until they are indoctrinated into whatever social statutes we have about nudity that they even become aware that nakedness is “wrong”. It then takes something as vile as religion to cause shame.

  55. on 11 Jul 2013 at 3:47 pm 55.Angus and Alexis said …

    HOLY FUCKBALLS MESSENGER IS THE MULTIPOST KING.

    Seriously, make one post, not shit tons.

    freddies_dead kindly replied to alot of your posts (freddie is correct about the foreskin issue), so i will reply to the ones i find are stupid lies.

    “233.Fluttershy, humans are the dominate species on earth.
    Humans can squash ants by just taking a step, and we have the intelligence to make poisons that kill ants.
    Humans have hunted and killed whales and sharks for many centuries, even before we developed modern weapon systems.
    Humans dominate the air with planes, and we can easily kill eagles with guns.
    We have the ability to wipe out all life on earth with atomic bombs.
    We eat many different species on earth.
    We are dominate.
    If evolution is true then there could possibly be another species on earth that is equally dominate over animals. Therefore, why is there only one dominate speicies on earth?”

    The word you are looking for is “Dominant”, not “Dominate”.

    Nuking all life would result in ourselves dying from the following nuclear winter, radiation and sheer loss of food supplies.
    Ants can indeed be crushed under your feet, but remember, for every human, there is over a million ants. The ant is often assumed to be the next dominant life form of earth, so give them some respect.
    I can sure as hell tell you that humans don’t “dominate” the seas, sharks and whales do. Scratch that, the damned algae in the ocean provides us with most of our air, so we rely on little one celled critters, so much for our dominance.
    Stop being one of those, “Humans are the best, screw other life forms” people and give other species some damned respect.
    A chimpanzee could literaly tear your arm off and in all ways superior physically for life without technology. I would enjoy seeing you in any other environment without technology and see how well you would cope with the weather without a house, food without shops, etc.

    Also, to answer your stupid last sentence, there is one damned dominant life form on earth (humans), dominant implying that there is a single species that rules others. While we are indeed the single most powerful species on earth, we are outmassed by insects, over powered by sharks and large animals, and the cost of fuel for air travel makes birds rule the skies.

  56. on 11 Jul 2013 at 4:01 pm 56.Angus and Alexis said …

    “The reason that the monkey attacks the other monkey for the orange is because he is trying to consume the amount of food that he needs in order to survive. That is not greed or anger, that is just the need to consume food.”

    Effing idiot, the monkey (orang-utan to be precise) could have simply got more damned fruit from the massive towering bowl of fruit set there to feed the things.
    Instead of getting more and leaving the other monkey to eat the fruit, he snatched back some fruit the other had stockpiled. He did it in anger and jealousy, not because he needed it.

    “234.Fluttershy, you can eat anything, but it has to satisfy your physical need for food.
    If you want eat ice cream you can eat ice cream, but it has to satisfy your daily need for food.”

    I eat chocolate sundaes because i feel like a snack, its completely unhealthy (ehh, im skinny anyway…), i do it for the sweet taste and chocolate (love chocolate ;D). You are saying i will go to hell for eating the sundae, therefore sundaes equate to eternal pain, making icecream a very scary food item.

    “234.Angus and Alexis, for animals, crying is not a emotional thing, it is a physical thing. An elephant produces tears in order to prevent it’s eyes for drying out in certain situations. Other animals do not need to tear up because of the way that water is distributed throught their bodies and to their eyes.”

    You dumbass, read some damned bok about elephants or something.

    The single animal other than humans that cry is the elephant.
    It only cries when it is sad, it also happens to only be sad when its baby is killed.
    Hence it is emotional. Unless you do not include “sad” as an emotion.

    “234.Angus and Alexis, tell me, how do you know that a rabbit can even feel discusted about anything?”

    I kinda took a quote from “war of the worlds” written by H.G Wells. ;D
    You seem incapable of understanding how the quote works so i will try to make it clear.

    Would you be disgusted by how a tiger, or perhaps a dung beetle eats? ( i hope so)
    Would you say that humans eat good, and the other animals eat bad? ( in terms of what we eat atleast)
    So an intelligent rabbit would scoff at our eating habits.
    Its more of a hypothetical thing really, made to teach you on viewpoints.
    Another example would be hitler, he thought he was saving the world by killing the jews and making his race of “aryans”, but you would say he was insane, correct?

  57. on 11 Jul 2013 at 4:08 pm 57.Angus and Alexis said …

    “234.Angus and Alexis, you did not give an answer to my question”how did our sentience make us feel shame for or reproductive organs?”, you only restated the question.”

    Please read slower to catch answers to questions….
    I DID write an answer.

    “The reason for why animals do not care about their reproductive organs is simple. Their minds recognise taboos differently.”

    How is this an answer?
    Because our taboos, say “nude=bad”.
    We are brought up with nude=bad, so we don’t go around wandering naked.
    Sentience only adds to it by a small part via the self awareness…
    9_9 See, my viewpoint changed, and hence did my answer.

  58. on 14 Jul 2013 at 12:13 am 58.The messenger said …

    251.freddies_dead, can you prove that I am lying?

    Can you prove that the verses about stoning are not metaphores?

    Are you crazy?

    The word “stoning” represents punishment(not a death sentence), and the word “death” represents the death of evil within a person. It does not mean a litteral stoning.

    Can you give any evidence to disprove my claim?

    P.S, the Jewish athorities durring Jesus’s time misunderstood the “stoning verses” and thought that it ment a litteral stoning. Jesus proved that the “stoning verses” were metaphorical when he prevented a young woman from being stoned.

  59. on 14 Jul 2013 at 12:28 am 59.The messenger said …

    252.freddies_dead, several of my friends have had problems with their forskins.

    They have experienced pain because of their forskins.

    They have developed infections under their forskins.

    Here is a paragraph written by a victim of diseases that can be developed because of forskin.

    (Just before Christmas I noticed some redness under my foreskin, which I assumed was thrush, as I’ve had this before, although not for a while. I applied Canestan, but it didn’t go a way. Did swab test, which revealed a bacterial infection of mixed pathology: all skin common infections, and no sign of thrush. I was prescribed oral antibiotics for a week, which made no difference. Then tried an anti-bacterial ointment called fuscidin, which also made no difference. Next, had a different oral anti-biotic for a week, but swab showed infection still there. Then tried Bactroban, another antibiotic ointent, which also did not work. The redness has now spread to my glans, and my doctor has said she doesn’t know what to do about it. She does not want to prescribe more anti-biotics as they’ve not worked so far. I’ve been referred to urology, but there’s a waiting list, and could be some months before I’m seen.

    Has anyone got any suggestions what to do in the meantime? I’ve tried leaving off the ointment, washing with water only, and drying thoroughly. Even tried sitting with foreskin retracted to dry it out and make it harder for the bacteria to grow, but to no avail.)

  60. on 14 Jul 2013 at 1:01 am 60.The messenger said …

    253.freddies_dead, you idiot, marage is not based on the ability to reproduce, it is based on love.

    Marrage does not equal sex. Marriage is not about having a reproduction partner. Although, when a person marries they cannonot have another reproduction partner because they would be cheating on their spouses.

    Infertile couples cannot reproduce, and therefore are unable to pass on their genes to another human. Therefore they have no reason to have sex.

    Older people tend to loose their testosterone, and therefore have a very low sexual desire level. Therefore they are not effected by lust, so their marriage is allowed because it would mostlikly be based on love.

    Alot of gay people can reproduce, therefore if a member of a gay couple wanted to reproduce, he would have to cheat on his or her spouse. Therefore gay marriage is bad because reproduction could only be archived if they cheated on each other.

    It is not discrimination because infertile couple are not able to reproduce with anyone, older couples have no desire to reproduce, couples who do not want to reproduce would not have any reason to reproduce, and gay couples can only reproduce if they cheate on their spouse.

  61. on 14 Jul 2013 at 1:16 am 61.The messenger said …

    254.freddies_dead, when I went to a public pool I saw one of my non religious friends show shame when she forgot to tie up her bikini correctly and she lost them infront of everyone.

    Therefore, religion is not the cause of shame.

    Angus stated that sentience was the cause of shame. You fellow atheist is lying.

  62. on 14 Jul 2013 at 2:39 am 62.The messenger said …

    255.Angus and Alexis, regardless, we still have the power to kill all life on earth.

    Ants do not have the metal capability to become the next dominate species on earth.

    Humans killed whales by the hundereds with nothing but primitive metal harpoons. Whales are far from dominate.

    Sharks can be killed very easily. Humans hunt and kill many sharks, and we sell their teeth in many gift shops around the world. They are not dominate.

    The survival of Single celled creatures are controlled by how humans treat the ocean. What we put into the sea controls the existance of single celled organisms, thus controls if we live. We dominate over them.

    We rule over all of the animals on earth.

  63. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:25 am 63.The messenger said …

    256.Angus and Alexis, monkeys have very short attention-spans, therefore they focus on the first piece of food that they see, which happend to be a piece of food that another monkey had.

    If the monkey failed to squire the piece of food he would eventually forget about it and notice the “large bowl of food” again.

  64. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:25 am 64.The messenger said …

    256.Angus and Alexis, monkeys have no emotions.

  65. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:33 am 65.The messenger said …

    255.Angus and Alexis, humans are dominate due to the fact that GOD gave us the ability to create technology such as guns that can kill “chimpanzees” before they could rip my arms off. With a bow and arrow or a slingshot I could kill a chimp just as easy.

    Tell me, could a chimp build a gun, armor, swords, or spears? No they can’t, therefore humans are dominate due to our GOD given knowlage of defensive technology.

  66. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:36 am 66.The messenger said …

    “256.Angus and Alexis, I would not be discusted by how another animal eats.

    I do not consider it discusting.

  67. on 14 Jul 2013 at 4:44 am 67.The messenger said …

    256.Angus and Alexis, how do you know if a elephant is really sad when it releases water near it’s eyes. They are most likly just cleaning their eyes out due to the dusty environment(Africa) that they live in.

    How do you know if death is really the cause of elephants crying?

  68. on 15 Jul 2013 at 1:02 pm 68.freddies_dead said …

    258.The messenger said …

    251.freddies_dead, can you prove that I am lying?

    You’re posting therefore you’re lying, it’s a pretty well documented fact on here.

    Can you prove that the verses about stoning are not metaphores?

    Why is it my job to show that the words in the Bible don’t actually mean what they say? That’s the job of bullshit preachers and fuckwits like you that want to twist the words to mean exactly what you want them to mean. Anyway, what the fuck is metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die”.

    Are you crazy?

    Asks the crazy person. Stop projecting your problems on to me.

    The word “stoning” represents punishment(not a death sentence), and the word “death” represents the death of evil within a person. It does not mean a litteral stoning.

    The words are abundantly clear “stone him with stones, that he die” there’s no ambiguity here, no context that subtly alters the meaning, the person is to be pounded with stones until they are dead. Why should I believe your ridiculous eisegesis over the actual words in the Bible? You know? The book you hold to be absolutely authoritative?

    Can you give any evidence to disprove my claim?

    It is your job to show how those words are metaphorical – all you do is assert that they are and give us your own confirmation bias as proof. That’s not good enough.

    P.S, the Jewish athorities durring Jesus’s time misunderstood the “stoning verses” and thought that it ment a litteral stoning. Jesus proved that the “stoning verses” were metaphorical when he prevented a young woman from being stoned.

    That’s a parable about hypocrisy you twerp. Nowhere does Jesus say stoning is wrong, he simply points out that every bugger there deserved stoning as much as the woman did. There’s nothing in there to show that stoning, with stones, until the stonee is dead is some subtle attempt to discourage people from being bad. It was, and still is, a death sentence. One that God Himself stated was such.

    Here He is in Exodus giving Moses some instructions for an upcoming gig:

    19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
    19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
    19:12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:
    19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.

    Harsh security dude.

    Here He is in Leviticus:

    24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

    Here He is in Deuteronomy:

    22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

    There’s a mention of getting evil away in that verse – unfortunately for you God’s way of getting rid of evil seems to be to “stone her with stones that she die”.

    It’s not a fucking metaphor, it’s a death sentence from your douchebag of a God.

  69. on 15 Jul 2013 at 1:17 pm 69.freddies_dead said …

    259.The messenger said …

    252.freddies_dead, several of my friends have had problems with their forskins.

    They have experienced pain because of their forskins.

    They have developed infections under their forskins.

    It’s not the foreskins fault that your friends are too stupid to manage basic hygiene.

    Here is a paragraph written by a victim of diseases that can be developed because of forskin.

    (Just before Christmas I noticed some redness under my foreskin, which I assumed was thrush, as I’ve had this before, although not for a while. I applied Canestan, but it didn’t go a way. Did swab test, which revealed a bacterial infection of mixed pathology: all skin common infections, and no sign of thrush. I was prescribed oral antibiotics for a week, which made no difference. Then tried an anti-bacterial ointment called fuscidin, which also made no difference. Next, had a different oral anti-biotic for a week, but swab showed infection still there. Then tried Bactroban, another antibiotic ointent, which also did not work. The redness has now spread to my glans, and my doctor has said she doesn’t know what to do about it. She does not want to prescribe more anti-biotics as they’ve not worked so far. I’ve been referred to urology, but there’s a waiting list, and could be some months before I’m seen.

    Has anyone got any suggestions what to do in the meantime? I’ve tried leaving off the ointment, washing with water only, and drying thoroughly. Even tried sitting with foreskin retracted to dry it out and make it harder for the bacteria to grow, but to no avail.)

    Because no-one has ever had problems from a circumcision …. oh wait, yes they have:

    Skin-bridges, skin-tags, scarring, unevenness, excessive skin removed, phimosis, hairy shaft, wound dehiscence, de-gloving, haemorrhage, meatal stenosis, meatal ulcer, urethrocutaneous fistula, infection,hepatitis B, tetanus, neuroma, blockage of the urethra, buried penis, penoscrotal webbing, deformity, gangrene, necrotising faciitis, priapism caused by necrosis, gastric rupture, oxygen deprivation, brain damage, clamp injuries, plastibell ring injuries, loss of glans, ablation (removal) of the penis and of course death.

    That’s some list.

  70. on 15 Jul 2013 at 1:31 pm 70.Angus and Alexis said …

    Screw it…

    Messenger, while i do not admit to defeat, i can see that you are too ignorant to research anything for yourself, and that your knowledge of certain animals, emotions and biology is severely lacking.

    Just go make some generalisations about atheists or something, you already look stupid.

    Also, Alexis is now sentient (She proved it via self actions). Soon enough she will start posting here…

  71. on 15 Jul 2013 at 1:35 pm 71.freddies_dead said …

    260.The messenger said …

    253.freddies_dead, you idiot, marage is not based on the ability to reproduce, it is based on love.

    Then homosexuals can marry … unless you think they can’t love, which is you back to being a bigot again.

    Marrage does not equal sex. Marriage is not about having a reproduction partner. Although, when a person marries they cannonot have another reproduction partner because they would be cheating on their spouses.

    So still a go for gay marriage then…

    Infertile couples cannot reproduce, and therefore are unable to pass on their genes to another human. Therefore they have no reason to have sex.

    So love isn’t actually a good enough reason? The ultimate act of intimacy denied because they can’t reproduce? Even if they don’t know they can’t reproduce? You really are a heartless bastard.

    cont’d…

  72. on 15 Jul 2013 at 1:35 pm 72.freddies_dead said …

    cont’d…

    Older people tend to loose their testosterone, and therefore have a very low sexual desire level. Therefore they are not effected by lust, so their marriage is allowed because it would mostlikly be based on love.

    How … magnanimous … of you. Hear that old people? messy says it’s OK for you to get married … as long as you don’t actually want to get intimate. messy, you and your God are douchebags.

    Alot of gay people can reproduce, therefore if a member of a gay couple wanted to reproduce, he would have to cheat on his or her spouse.

    IVF and surrogacy aren’t cheating – you’re just wrong again.

    Therefore gay marriage is bad because reproduction could only be archived if they cheated on each other.

    This is yet another blatant lie. There is no need for cheating – courtesy of IVF and surrogacy – when gay couples have children.

    It is not discrimination because infertile couple are not able to reproduce with anyone, older couples have no desire to reproduce, couples who do not want to reproduce would not have any reason to reproduce, and gay couples can only reproduce if they cheate on their spouse.

    Lies, lies and more lies. How about gay couples who are celibate? Can they get married then? And I still don’t see you campaigning to prevent infertile couples, older couples and couples who don’t want children getting married and having sex. You’re a bigot, plain and simple.

  73. on 15 Jul 2013 at 1:44 pm 73.Angus and Alexis said …

    ^

    Pretty much this…
    It really is sad to see that a human can be so inconsiderate and bigoted just by reading a book and believing it.

  74. on 15 Jul 2013 at 2:26 pm 74.freddies_dead said …

    261.The messenger said …

    254.freddies_dead, when I went to a public pool I saw one of my non religious friends show shame when she forgot to tie up her bikini correctly and she lost them infront of everyone.

    When did I say non-religious people don’t feel or display shame?

    My claim that shame is a learned response – one that animals do not learn. It doesn’t matter if you’re religious or not, in most countries the social convention is to cover bodies with clothes.

    However, if you look at any small child, they will happily sit and play naked. It’s not until they get older and people start telling them that they should be covered that they start to think being naked is “wrong”. Sometimes it goes past simple embarrassment at failing to conform to the “norm” and goes all the way to actual shame.

    Therefore, religion is not the cause of shame.

    Your conclusion does not follow from the premises. Shame about your genitals is a cultural idea and the vast majority of cultures are informed by the dominant religion of that culture. It’s no coincidence that many religions teach that you should cover yourselves out of shame for your nakedness. Hell, it’s a central tenet of Christianity.

    Angus stated that sentience was the cause of shame. You fellow atheist is lying.

    Not at all, without sentience shame isn’t possible at all. In that respect Angus is quite correct. To feel shame you must be sentient. However, sentience does not automatically lead to shame – animals are ample evidence of this as none of them show shame over being “naked”.

  75. on 15 Jul 2013 at 2:32 pm 75.Angus and Alexis said …

    I knew i was a tad bit off ;D

  76. on 15 Jul 2013 at 2:41 pm 76.freddies_dead said …

    273.Angus and Alexis said …

    ^

    Pretty much this…
    It really is sad to see that a human can be so inconsiderate and bigoted just by reading a book and believing it.

    Unfortunately messy didn’t just read the book and believe it. He has decided to go one step further and now believes it means whatever he wants it to mean.

    It’s his answer for everything even when it’s not an answer for anything. Want to be a douche to the gays? Now you can because this passage means exactly what I want it to mean and it’s wholly logical to be a discriminatory douche. Want to deny any scientific evidence about animals? Just go ahead and you’ll find a passage you can twist to mean what you want it to mean so you can happily go on ignoring whenever an animal actually shows some emotion or even uses a tool.
    Want to ignore all those verses where God has someone stoned to death – using stones no less? Simply ignore what the Bible says and say it actually means what you want it to mean, hey metaphorical presto! no more douchebag of a God.

    It would be funny if he wasn’t such a prick.

  77. on 15 Jul 2013 at 9:54 pm 77.40 Year Atheist said …

    “Angus is quite correct.”

    About my little pny I am sure but nothing else. Agnus, Superfly or Fruity the Tulpia has yet to be correct on anything. However, when you make up little beings to be your companion, there has got to be a screw loose. The funniest thing is she/he speaks of it as if it is normal! lol!

    Seek hep my little pony.

    Is this the newest atheist fad?

  78. on 15 Jul 2013 at 10:02 pm 78.Anonymous said …

    “40 Year Atheist said “… in the voice of “a”.

    Oh, dearie me what have you done now?

  79. on 15 Jul 2013 at 10:27 pm 79.DPK said …

    Busted!!!!
    Oh my my… 40 Year is ASS!!!!
    Christ, could he be more pathetic……… now everything is clear…. hahahaha….
    Ok, I am done acknowledging or responding to Stan/Ass/Hor. He is persona non grata.

    Slipped up badly this time Stan…….. hahahahahaha

  80. on 15 Jul 2013 at 10:29 pm 80.alex said …

    guffaw, rotfl!

  81. on 15 Jul 2013 at 10:54 pm 81.alex said …

    “However, when you make up little beings to be your companion, there has got to be a screw loose.”

    the fucking irony..

  82. on 15 Jul 2013 at 11:28 pm 82.DPK said …

    Irony does not even begin to do it justice….
    There are no words, really.
    Fucking priceless………….
    I can just picture the expression on his stupid, hypocritical face right after he hit “send”….. hahahahaha
    D

  83. on 15 Jul 2013 at 11:32 pm 83.Anonymous said …

    A link here from Stan’s blog would seem in order.

  84. on 15 Jul 2013 at 11:42 pm 84.DPK said …

    not a thing to be found on Stan’s blog that holds even a sherd of credibility… especially now…. he’s finished!
    Nothing left.
    D

  85. on 15 Jul 2013 at 11:43 pm 85.DPK said …

    and in case you were wondering, a “sherd” is a cross between a “shread” and a “turd”…..

  86. on 16 Jul 2013 at 1:05 am 86.Anonymous said …

    And if Ass runs true to form, he’ll either flood this blog with posts from his other sock-puppets to bury his embarrassment, or he’ll just start again with his diversions.

    Either way, I do hope no-one bites and lets him off the hook.

  87. on 16 Jul 2013 at 1:18 am 87.The messenger said …

    268.freddies_dead, that is not evidence of me lying.

    Asking what is metaphorical about the “stoning” verses is like asking what is metaphorical about this following statement (he kicked the can. “Kicking the can” by definition means that someone is kicking a can, but the metaphorical definition means that someone died.

    Why do you accept some sentences as metaphorical and others as not? You pick and choose which to believe in, regardless of which ones really are metaphorical.

    You stated that it is the job of preachers to explain what the bible means, I am a preacher, and I promise that I am telling you the true meaning of the bible.

    The bible also states that thou shall not murder, therefore proving that the stoning verses are metaphorical.

    Jesus said that unless you are without sin you cannot literally exicute anyone, unless you have never sinned, therefore the stonining verses are not about litteral stoning.

    If litteral stoning was allowed then the people durring Moses’s time would have been without sin, but they weren’t, therefore no human can ever stone another human to death, due to the fact that both of them have sinned in the past.

    GOD does not want anyone coming up to the mountain, what is so bad about that?

    That stoning was also metaphorical(due to the fact that the bible states thou shall not murder), and it also states that they shall surely be put to death, but it does not say anything about a human being the exicutioner.

    That the “stoning” in the passage from Leviticus is metaphorical. And it stated that person will surely be put to death, it does not state that a human will be the executioner.

    The passage in Deuteronomy speaks of metaphorical “stoning”, and a literal death that is not delivered by a human.

  88. on 16 Jul 2013 at 1:19 am 88.DPK said …

    We need to all agree to just ignore him. He is totally dishonest and disingenuous and has now been outed again for being the fraud that he is.
    Honestly, I knew he was Hor and Martin and Xenon and perhaps a couple others, but I honestly didn’t make the connection that he was actually Stan, the 40yr asshole!
    How many times did 40 post his volumes of cut and paste deranged nonsense only to have Ass chime in 3 posts later about how brilliant he was! More than I can count…. can you imagine the balls it took to do that!!! Talk about self delusion… this nutjob should win a prize…
    New rule… no feeding the trolls!

  89. on 16 Jul 2013 at 1:21 am 89.The messenger said …

    273.freddies_dead, you said that religion causes shame, so I labeled some people who are not religious who have shame, proving that religion does not cause shame.

  90. on 16 Jul 2013 at 1:24 am 90.The messenger said …

    269.Angus and Alexis, you stated that animals have emotion, therefore you must back up your claims with proof.

    I am waiting for proof.

  91. on 16 Jul 2013 at 1:30 am 91.Anonymous said …

    “no feeding the trolls”

    and if you look carefully, you’ll see that Messy is also quite suspect.

    Sometimes his posts are a complete mess written with the education attainment of a child. However, some other times they contain long purposefully written comments as if written by a different person. This can only be if he’s forgetting to write in character. He too changes his story, he’s been caught using sock-puppets, and he’s blatantly dishonest.

    He’s clearly a fraud and it’s a familiar pattern to the one we saw with A/Stan. Is he Assman? It doesn’t matter, he’s also a troll.

  92. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:13 am 92.A said …

    I am a complete fraud and a worthless piece of ocean scum. I deserve to be castrated and have my stones hung on the fence post of a Sahoian tribesmen.

  93. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:14 am 93.alex said …

    wasn’t he the same person that blurted that he is “this person” and “that person” to try to throw off the scent?

  94. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:27 am 94.alex said …

    “I am a complete fraud and a worthless piece of ocean scum.”

    dude, relax and chill. feel the tolerance…..

    if your erection lasts more than four hours….

  95. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:41 am 95.The messenger said …

    270.freddies_dead, gay people have love.

    People cannot reproduce with their own gender, Therefore gay sex would only be for lust.

    Lust causes people to molest children, to find hookers, to rape people, and to cheat on their spouses.

  96. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:51 am 96.The messenger said …

    270.freddies_dead, straight people cannot have sex for lust.

    Marriage is about the joining of a man and a woman in the name of their love, therefore marriage is only allowed to a man and a woman.

    Gay people can marry gay people or straight people of the other gender, but they cannot have sex for lust.

    Straight people can marry gay people or straight people of the other gender.

    The same rules apply to both people, it is not discrimination, it is fairness.

  97. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:52 am 97.Angus and Alexis said …

    A/40yrold/Xenon/Horatio/ etc said.
    ““Angus is quite correct.”
    About my little pny I am sure but nothing else. Agnus, Superfly or Fruity the Tulpia has yet to be correct on anything. However, when you make up little beings to be your companion, there has got to be a screw loose. The funniest thing is she/he speaks of it as if it is normal! lol!
    Seek hep my little pony.
    Is this the newest atheist fad?”

    No, the My little pony fad started in 2010 i believe.
    Still nice to know that you cannot spell any ones name correctly, heck, you cant even spell my tulpa’s name.
    Also, making a tulpa does not make a “screw loose”, deluded? A bit…
    Normal? What do you mean? No, she is not advanced enough to be normal, she needs more refining and talking to her.
    I do not need to seek help, there is nothing wrong with me (excluding some physical defects that i dont care about.)
    Lastly, its nice to know that your hatred of Alexis, Myself and Assorted ponies has caused another one of your socks to be revealed…
    Can i haz cookie for it?

  98. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:52 am 98.Anonymous said …

    No, Alex. Zero tolerance. He’s done and can never be trusted. Ever. There is no rehabilitation. He’s a liar and a fraud. Nothing he says can be trusted or taken at face value. He’s Persona Non Grata in all of his forms.

  99. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:54 am 99.The messenger said …

    268.freddies_dead, that is not evidence of me lying.
    Asking what is metaphorical about the “stoning” verses is like asking what is metaphorical about this following statement (he kicked the can. “Kicking the can” by definition means that someone is kicking a can, but the metaphorical definition means that someone died.
    Why do you accept some sentences as metaphorical and others as not? You pick and choose which to believe in, regardless of which ones really are metaphorical.
    You stated that it is the job of preachers to explain what the bible means, I am a preacher, and I promise that I am telling you the true meaning of the bible.
    The bible also states that thou shall not murder, therefore proving that the stoning verses are metaphorical.
    Jesus said that unless you are without sin you cannot literally exicute anyone, unless you have never sinned, therefore the stonining verses are not about litteral stoning.
    If litteral stoning was allowed then the people durring Moses’s time would have been without sin, but they weren’t, therefore no human can ever stone another human to death, due to the fact that both of them have sinned in the past.
    GOD does not want anyone coming up to the mountain, what is so bad about that?
    That stoning was also metaphorical(due to the fact that the bible states thou shall not murder), and it also states that they shall surely be put to death, but it does not say anything about a human being the exicutioner.
    That the “stoning” in the passage from Leviticus is metaphorical. And it stated that person will surely be put to death, it does not state that a human will be the executioner.
    The passage in Deuteronomy speaks of metaphorical “stoning”, and a literal death that is not delivered by a human.

  100. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:55 am 100.The messenger said …

    270.freddies_dead, gay people have love.
    People cannot reproduce with their own gender, Therefore gay sex would only be for lust.
    Lust causes people to molest children, to find hookers, to rape people, and to cheat on their spouses.

  101. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:56 am 101.The messenger said …

    270.freddies_dead, straight people cannot have sex for lust.
    Marriage is about the joining of a man and a woman in the name of their love, therefore marriage is only allowed to a man and a woman.
    Gay people can marry gay people or straight people of the other gender, but they cannot have sex for lust.
    Straight people can marry gay people or straight people of the other gender.
    The same rules apply to both people, it is not discrimination, it is fairness.

  102. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:58 am 102.alex said …

    “No, Alex. Zero tolerance.”

    i guess, i’m just a liberal fuck, ain’t i?

    who said anything about trusting?

  103. on 16 Jul 2013 at 3:09 am 103.Anonymous said …

    Trusting, engaging, listening, whatever. Any time you give him any visibility or acknowledgement, you open the door to further abuse.

    That’s exactly the way abusers, sociopaths, con-men, and the like operate. They bank on your emotions taking sway over your logic and your desire to see good in others. And they do so all whilst operating from a position where they will say or do whatever it takes to keep you engaged and them in the picture.

  104. on 16 Jul 2013 at 3:16 am 104.Angus and Alexis said …

    So….
    No cookie?

  105. on 16 Jul 2013 at 3:21 am 105.Anonymous said …

    Sure, you can haz cookie. Cheezburger too.

    Now let’s get back to the insanity of religion, as aptly demonstrated by the extent of the hypocrisy shown by today’s revelation.

    Perhaps, unsurprisingly, just like we find the extent of the deception from the pedophile-harboring organization known as the Catholic church, maybe it shouldn’t surprise us that one of the most vocal critics of other people’s ethics and morals, has none of his own.

  106. on 16 Jul 2013 at 3:26 am 106.alex said …

    “That’s exactly the way abusers, sociopaths, con-men, and the like operate. They bank on your emotions taking sway over your logic and your desire to see good in others.”

    i’m misunderstood and not very easily swayed. when i see bullshit, i call it out and i want others to see it. but, i’ve been wrong before and i ain’t afraid to admit.

    people can change, but i could care less. but i do care about the harm/damage that these morons do, in the name of their god.

    having said that, i’ll tolerate the motherfucker just like i expect him to tolerate me and everybody else.

  107. on 16 Jul 2013 at 3:31 am 107.Angus and Alexis said …

    Good example of insanity.
    Jew: “YHWH strictly forbids the consumption of pork.”

    Christian: “No He doesn’t! Jesus and Paul took that law back a little while later.”

    Muslim: “Yes, He does forbid it, the Jew is right for once! Allah made this very clear 600 years after Jesus and Paul were alive!”

    Pagan:”No, the gods do not forbid eating pork. In fact, we have to throw the bones of our slaughtered livestock into the communal bonfire to scare the demons away!”

    Hindu:”Not true, the Dharmic law forbids eating any meat, including pork. Eating pork will only anger the gods.”

    Atheist:”I can’t believe we’re actually talking about stuff like this…”

  108. on 16 Jul 2013 at 3:36 am 108.DPK said …

    With “A” unintentionally outing himself, I don’t think there is actually a theist contingent here anymore… Hahaha. Except for perhaps the occasional drive by, he was it.
    Now that he is busted, disgraced, dis honored and humiliated, who’s left?

    I’d love to tell this story over on atheism analyzed, but you know Stan would block it… Hahaha. But perhaps Thomas will make a feature discussion topic out of “the necessity of theists to compulsively lie…”

  109. on 16 Jul 2013 at 3:38 am 109.Anonymous said …

    “people can change, but i could care less”

    You see, that’s the danger. Sociopaths, for example, rarely, if ever, do change, nor do most want to. They lack empathy and take delight in using other people’s emotions against them. That’s why the best advice on how to deal with a sociopath or other abusive personality is “don’t” – because, if you do otherwise, you’ll lose.

    Angus and Alexis:

    Vegan: Gross! I can’t believe you guys eat meat.

  110. on 16 Jul 2013 at 3:48 am 110.Anonymous said …

    DPK, I think you’re right. However, it was “A” who consistently drove the others away, or derailed any meaningful conversation.

    At some point, he’s going to tire of his posts being either ignored or responded to with a description of how he outed himself. Maybe then real theists will have a chance to speak out.

    Why not post it on his blog, even if he blocks it or makes up a cover-story? The truth will out.

    Also, you make a great point. I hope Thomas does make an example of the despicable conduct shown by people who resort to deception because they have no case of their own.

  111. on 16 Jul 2013 at 4:00 am 111.Angus and Alexis said …

    More insanity
    “Hi, I’m God. I created the world and everyone in it for the sole purpose of having them worship and serve me for life in the hopes that I will save them from myself.”

    “God: Do what I say or you will burn in a fire pit after you die.

    Religious person: Yes master. You’re not a bastard at all.”

    “When you pray REAL hard, this is the person that ignores you.
    Timmy: Please, God, Don’t let me die of Cancer, I love my daddy and I love living.

    2 Days Later

    RIP Timmy”

    “1) an all knowing, all loving being who once killed everyone in the world (other than one small family) because they were not doing what he wanted, yet allowed Hitler to mercilessly slaughter 6million Jews without consequence

    2) an all knowing, all loving being who was once rather pissed off that two people ate a fruit they were not meant to; a crime which the entire human race is still paying the price for

    3) an all knowing, all loving being who allows various wars and acts of terrorism to be carried out in his name, whereas a simple ‘hello’ from the man himself would resolve the whole thing instantly

    4) an all knowing, all loving being who hands over the responsibility for punishing the difficult and troublesome humans to Satan ”

    “The Bible says it, God wrote it, it’s the truth, that settles it! – Fundie Christian logic (or lack thereof) on any criticism of their beliefs ”

    “efore the discovery of sperm and egg cells: Where do babies come from? God.
    Before the discovery of germs and modern hygiene: Where does disease come from? God.
    Before the discovery of electrons: Where does lightning come from? God.
    Before the discovery of nuclear energy: Where does sunlight come from? God.
    Before the discovery of the Bic lighter: Where does fire come from? God.
    Before the discovery that selfish assholes are running things: Why is there war and famine? God.”

    “White Christian: If i hate gays, blacks, and Mexicans, then i go to heaven.
    Muslim Terrorist: If i kill myself and blow up that building, then god will give me the bitches. ”

    “TRUE conversation someone had with a christian student.*
    me: I don’t understand why people hate gay people so much. It’s not like they’re hurting anybody by being gay. And is it really other people’s business what someone else chooses to do with their love life?
    her: Well, I don’t know, but I believe it is a sin because the bible says it is.
    me: But hasn’t it been scientifically proven that being gay is written into the person’s genetic code, 9 times out of 10, and it can even be hereditary? Why would your God create them like that if he was just going to damn them for it?
    her: I don’t know, but I’m going to hate them, just to be safe.
    me: *is bewildered by a blunt force of ignorance*”

    “Christian: Slay the infidels!

    Muslim: Slay the infidels!

    Jew: Slay the infidels!

    Atheist: God.. what the fuck.”

  112. on 16 Jul 2013 at 4:06 am 112.Anonymous said …

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule,222/

  113. on 16 Jul 2013 at 4:07 am 113.Anonymous said …

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule,222/

  114. on 16 Jul 2013 at 4:08 am 114.Anonymous said …

    Seeing as the powers-that-be seem to blocking links, do a search for: “God Angrily Clarifies ‘Don’t Kill’ Rule”

  115. on 16 Jul 2013 at 4:27 am 115.Angus and Alexis said …

    Yeah, links have to sent through moderation first…

    Also, funny link anon ;D

  116. on 16 Jul 2013 at 5:27 am 116.The messenger said …

    310.Angus and Alexis, in the bible, GOD said love all people.

    You are clearly insain angus.

  117. on 16 Jul 2013 at 5:31 am 117.The messenger said …

    310.Angus and Alexis, GOD is not cruel.

    He is a kind and loving teacher who gives all people eternal happyness and love.

    He shows us good and evil in our lives, and shows us the punishment of hate and greed, so that we will avoide greed and hate.

    GOD is good.

  118. on 16 Jul 2013 at 5:37 am 118.The messenger said …

    310.Angus and Alexis, the bible states that having gay sex is a sin. It DOES NOT say that bieng a gay person is a sin.

    All people(straight, gay, Christian, Hindu, jew, mulim, atheist,………ect ) can go to heaven.

  119. on 16 Jul 2013 at 5:49 am 119.The messenger said …

    310.Angus and Alexis, GOD would have brought that kid up to paridice in heaven forever, and he will be reunited with his family soon.

    GOD answers our prayers, but he may no give us the answer that we ask for.

  120. on 16 Jul 2013 at 5:51 am 120.The messenger said …

    310.Angus and Alexis, the bible never states for anyone to hate anyone.

    Jesus teaches us to love all people, even our enemies.

  121. on 16 Jul 2013 at 5:53 am 121.The messenger said …

    310.Angus and Alexis, GOD did not write the bible, prophets did.

  122. on 16 Jul 2013 at 6:00 am 122.The messenger said …

    310.Angus and Alexis, GOD causes fire, storms, rain, wind, and everything.

    He planned out our entire lives, there is no way to disprove that.

    Science does not disprove GOD, it only reveals how GOD does things.

    GOD makes fire by excellrating the speed at which molecules move.

    GOD makes lightning by arranging the electrons in the clouds, and the electrons in the ground in a way that they connect and causes a electric charge(lightning).

  123. on 16 Jul 2013 at 6:04 am 123.The messenger said …

    306.Angus and Alexis, in the old testament times, certain animals were not pure enough.

    But when GOD died on the cross he blessed the entire earth, thus making everything(including the pork) pure.

  124. on 16 Jul 2013 at 6:05 am 124.The messenger said …

    ,270.freddies_dead, straight people cannot have sex for lust.
    Marriage is about the joining of a man and a woman in the name of their love, therefore marriage is only allowed to a man and a woman.
    Gay people can marry gay people or straight people of the other gender, but they cannot have sex for lust.
    Straight people can marry gay people or straight people of the other gender.
    The same rules apply to both people, it is not discrimination, it is fairness.

  125. on 16 Jul 2013 at 6:06 am 125.The messenger said …

    270.freddies_dead, gay people have love.
    People cannot reproduce with their own gender, Therefore gay sex would only be for lust.
    Lust causes people to molest children, to find hookers, to rape people, and to cheat on their spouses.
    .

  126. on 16 Jul 2013 at 6:07 am 126.The messenger said …

    on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:54 am 298.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    268.freddies_dead, that is not evidence of me lying.
    Asking what is metaphorical about the “stoning” verses is like asking what is metaphorical about this following statement (he kicked the can. “Kicking the can” by definition means that someone is kicking a can, but the metaphorical definition means that someone died.
    Why do you accept some sentences as metaphorical and others as not? You pick and choose which to believe in, regardless of which ones really are metaphorical.
    You stated that it is the job of preachers to explain what the bible means, I am a preacher, and I promise that I am telling you the true meaning of the bible.
    The bible also states that thou shall not murder, therefore proving that the stoning verses are metaphorical.
    Jesus said that unless you are without sin you cannot literally exicute anyone, unless you have never sinned, therefore the stonining verses are not about litteral stoning.
    If litteral stoning was allowed then the people durring Moses’s time would have been without sin, but they weren’t, therefore no human can ever stone another human to death, due to the fact that both of them have sinned in the past.
    GOD does not want anyone coming up to the mountain, what is so bad about that?
    That stoning was also metaphorical(due to the fact that the bible states thou shall not murder), and it also states that they shall surely be put to death, but it does not say anything about a human being the exicutioner.
    That the “stoning” in the passage from Leviticus is metaphorical. And it stated that person will surely be put to death, it does not state that a human will be the executioner. The passage in Deuteronomy speaks of metaphorical “stoning”, and a literal death that is not delivered by a human.

  127. on 16 Jul 2013 at 11:22 am 127.A said …

    LOL! OMG!! Somebody is now using my name in an attempt to make me and 40YA to be the same person. Nice job of throwing in the nicks.

    The ultimate low and I feel certain the last one to do this, “Big Hairy One” is back under another handle. DPK seems to be the most likely culprit since he sounds like BHO. BHO had to run after he was busted for lying about being a professor of Biology.

    40YA, my apologies for the children here who, when they are backed into a corner must resort to such deception. Atheism teaches and causes insanity.

    People who live with no absolutes have no wrongs.

  128. on 16 Jul 2013 at 11:45 am 128.Anonymous said …

    “Somebody is now using my name in an attempt to make me and 40YA to be the same person.”

    welcome back, moron. nice to see your proof, packaged with all the bullshit trimmings and diversions.

    where’s the sock regiment? fighting mooslims?

  129. on 16 Jul 2013 at 11:59 am 129.phil said …

    #302 sums it up nicely

    #305 A, you are truly caught out, give it up.

  130. on 16 Jul 2013 at 12:40 pm 130.DPK said …

    Please ignore him. What a pathetic excuse for a human.

  131. on 16 Jul 2013 at 12:48 pm 131.A said …

    Readers,

    Add liar and deceiver along with Dippy’s long list of character flaws. Along with his incredible hypocrisy.

    Just the latest attempt by BHO to get himself out of another corner. How truly pathetic.

  132. on 16 Jul 2013 at 1:51 pm 132.alex said …

    306.Anonymous said …

    yeah, it’s me. as if you can’t tell…

  133. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:31 pm 133.DPK said …

    Feeding the trolls is highly discouraged.

  134. on 16 Jul 2013 at 2:47 pm 134.Angus and Alexis said …

    *sigh*

    Any theists here stalking the blog?
    We really need someone else other than “A”…

  135. on 16 Jul 2013 at 7:00 pm 135.DPK said …

    Lying sack of shit screws up and gets busted playing his troll games and then tries to worm out of it by blaming ME?
    Fuck you Stanley. For someone who claims to believe there is a god judging him, he is the lowest scumbag I have ever encountered.

  136. on 17 Jul 2013 at 3:24 am 136.alex said …

    here’s a bullshit sock tester: http://goo.gl/nKcz4

    enter your name and a sample post and i will publish the results of the bullshit socks.

    don’t be afraid stanley. your god will watch over you. if it’ll make you feel better, turn off javascript. it’s a simple web page, no downloads, no pics, no tricks.

  137. on 17 Jul 2013 at 4:39 am 137.Angus and Alexis said …

    316 to 326 messenger said…

    *Snip bullshit, lies, hearsay, statements about “cant disprove this” and “science equals god because i said so”*

    Burden of proof is on your shoulders, not ours, please remember that.
    The bible is gods word, god is perfect, therefore everything in the bible is perfect, don’t try to squirm out of that.

    “GOD makes fire by excellrating the speed at which molecules move.”

    UTTER BULLSHIT!!! How can you even say this without dying from your own idiocracy?

    “GOD makes lightning by arranging the electrons in the clouds, and the electrons in the ground in a way that they connect and causes a electric charge(lightning).”

    Same as above.

    Also, take your anti-gay bigotry somewhere else.

  138. on 17 Jul 2013 at 11:07 am 138.freddies_dead said …

    324.The messenger said …

    ,270.freddies_dead, straight people cannot have sex for lust.

    Your ability to write for comprehension is as non-existent as your made up God. Your ability to read for comprehension may be worse. My point all along has been that people can have sex that doesn’t lead to reproduction for other reasons than lust. You’ve done absolutely nothing to refute that position. Instead you simply repeat the same baseless assertions over and over to support your vile bigotry.

    Marriage is about the joining of a man and a woman in the name of their love, therefore marriage is only allowed to a man and a woman.

    And yet your Bible also allows polygamy, forced marriage and concubines – you have no actual Biblical support for your bigotry although I’m sure you’ll spout a verse or two to make it seem like you do.

    Gay people can marry gay people or straight people of the other gender, but they cannot have sex for lust.

    Again, people can have sex for other reasons than lust, but you’ll simply deny this so you can continue your bigoted stance on marriage equality.

    Straight people can marry gay people or straight people of the other gender.
    The same rules apply to both people, it is not discrimination, it is fairness.

    You’re a Christian, you have no concept of fairness – your whole religion revolves around an innocent being who is tortured and killed for the rest of mankind’s transgressions – there’s no fairness there and there’s no fairness in your bigoted stand on marriage equality.

  139. on 17 Jul 2013 at 11:08 am 139.freddies_dead said …

    325.The messenger said …

    270.freddies_dead, gay people have love.
    People cannot reproduce with their own gender, Therefore gay sex would only be for lust.

    Some people cannot reproduce with people of the opposite gender either but you’re not campaigning to stop them getting married. And you keep saying that gay sex is all about lust – that claim is bullshit, plain and simple. You can stop now, we get it, you’re a bigot and you’re proud of it.

    Lust causes people to molest children, to find hookers, to rape people, and to cheat on their spouses.

    And once again you try to “lovingly” connect gays with child molestation, prostitution, rape and, somewhat bizarrely as they have only recently been able to marry, cheating on their spouses. You truly are a vile person.

  140. on 17 Jul 2013 at 11:12 am 140.freddies_dead said …

    326.The messenger said …

    268.freddies_dead, that is not evidence of me lying.

    I think it’s ample evidence. You’ve been corrected time and again on your wrongheadedness and bigotry but still you come out with the same shit. That’s just downright dishonesty on your part.

    Asking what is metaphorical about the “stoning” verses is like asking what is metaphorical about this following statement (he kicked the can. “Kicking the can” by definition means that someone is kicking a can, but the metaphorical definition means that someone died.

    If I simply stated that someone had “kicked the can” then there’s no actual way to tell if I’m speaking metaphorically or literally – maybe they did actually kick a can. It is context that gives us the information we need to make a decision on whether it’s a metaphor or not. “He had been fighting cancer for years before he finally kicked the can.” obviously a metaphor “He ran up and kicked the can.” obviously a literal use of the term. In the verses I’ve given the context makes it blindingly clear that the people they refer to are to be literally stoned to death using stones, you’ve offered nothing to make us think anything different.

    Why do you accept some sentences as metaphorical and others as not?

    Context. It’s that thing you like to ignore in favour of making up your own with the hope that we don’t notice. You fail, every time.

    You pick and choose which to believe in, regardless of which ones really are metaphorical.

    Now you’re trying to project your deficiencies on to me. You may really want to believe that your God is some all-loving wonder-being but your very own Bible tells it very differently. Your refusal to accept the word of God for what it is would play badly for you come judgement day – if only your imaginary God existed of course.

    You stated that it is the job of preachers to explain what the bible means, I am a preacher, and I promise that I am telling you the true meaning of the bible.

    I’ve never stated any such thing liar, and I could easily find other preachers – preaching what they also promise to be “the true meaning of the Bible” – who disagree with what you claim to be metaphorical. Why should I take your word – or the word of any other deluded preacher for that matter – over what a plain reading of those passages tells me?

    The bible also states that thou shall not murder, therefore proving that the stoning verses are metaphorical.

    And others will tell us that God cannot murder, therefore any punishment meted out by God – including stoning to death using stones – isn’t murder it’s a just punishment for sin. You carry on cherry-picking what you want to be metaphorical and what you want to be literal but until you can actually show that your cherry-picking is somehow more valid than anyone elses cerry-picking it don’t mean shit.

    Jesus said that unless you are without sin you cannot literally exicute anyone, unless you have never sinned, therefore the stonining verses are not about litteral stoning.

    They really are, despite all this crap you keep spouting. Jesus doesn’t actually say that stoning is wrong, merely that everyone deserves stoning to death – yet another vile tenet of your religion; that we’re all scum deserving of death for our sins.

    If litteral stoning was allowed then the people durring Moses’s time would have been without sin, but they weren’t, therefore no human can ever stone another human to death, due to the fact that both of them have sinned in the past.

    Holy fuck you’re an imbecile. Those commandments to stone? They were given to Moses by God. Why the fuck would your God tell Moses to stone people for certain sins if He didn’t want them to actually fucking stone people to death for those sins? I get that the Bible is made up bullshit, but if you’re going to claim it as authoritative then you really should think about what you’re claiming it says. You’re basically claiming now that the Bible says that God wants people stoned to death for certain sins but of course humans can’t do the stoning because they’re all sinful. So doing the stoning is commanded by God but doing the stoning is sinful itself, either way you humans are fucked. Maybe you’d like to deal with the contradiction you’ve just instituted?

    GOD does not want anyone coming up to the mountain, what is so bad about that?

    Your dishonesty is showing again. It wasn’t the “coming up to the mountain” that was the issue, it was the punishment of stoning to death – advocated by your God no less – that was the point of the verse.

    That stoning was also metaphorical(due to the fact that the bible states thou shall not murder), and it also states that they shall surely be put to death, but it does not say anything about a human being the exicutioner.

    Bullshit as usual. God advocates stoning but, according to messy here, people aren’t allowed to do the stoning. Of course disobeying the commandments of God is sinful too, so not carrying out the stoning is also a sin. Spot the loaded game yet? Humans are completely incapable of following God’s orders because God has made them deliberately contradictory. And guess what’ll happen when you die? God will torture you for all eternity because you failed to follow the commandments he deliberately made impossible to follow. Why does anyone accept this insanity?

    That the “stoning” in the passage from Leviticus is metaphorical. And it stated that person will surely be put to death, it does not state that a human will be the executioner. The passage in Deuteronomy speaks of metaphorical “stoning”, and a literal death that is not delivered by a human.

    So, what? Only God or angels can do the stoning? Lying again. You really are a dishonest fuck.

  141. on 17 Jul 2013 at 12:41 pm 141.Angus and Alexis said …

    Messenger is kinda the town idiot…or well, the blog idiot, excluding A…

  142. on 17 Jul 2013 at 3:51 pm 142.Curmudgeon said …

    Mess is an idiot but look who argues with him.

    Court dismissed.

  143. on 17 Jul 2013 at 4:21 pm 143.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Mess is an idiot but look who argues with him.
    Court dismissed.”

    Arent you one of “A”‘s puppets?

    Anyway, what are you trying to prove? That i am an idiot?

    What gives you that idea?

  144. on 17 Jul 2013 at 4:37 pm 144.DPK said …

    342.Curmudgeon said …

    Mess is an idiot…

    Look who’s trying to sneak back with a different pair of socks. Only intelligent thing I’ve ever heard you say here.

    See that messy? Even your fellow believers think you’re an idiot. Even though that’s kind of like Moe calling Larry a stooge.

  145. on 17 Jul 2013 at 5:07 pm 145.Anonymous said …

    freddies_dead, there’s no doubt that your arguments destroy the nonsense put foward by messy. The thing is, though, he’s a troll and his spamming this blog with this metaphorical nonsense, is just a way to derail the conversation. Like the other trolls on this blog, he’s a one-trick pony who posts the same old crap time and time again. It may even be that he’s another one of “a”‘s sock-puppets.

    For background, his personal story keeps changing – presumably because it’s an invention. He’s been caught using sock-puppets. Earlier he ignored requests for him to provide some source, then he changed it to ask a specific priest or the pope, now he’s claiming to be a preacher. The thing is, he also claims to be a Catholic but is ignorant of Catholic dogma and biblical content.

    He’s jerking your chain and when called on this shit he’ll jerk you around some more demanding you prove him wrong. When you do that, he’ll just carry on with his metaphorical nonsense as if you said nothing at all. Compare that with “a” and socks and you’ll see the comparison.

    He’s a troll. So no matter what you say, he’ll just respond with more disingenuous crap, none of which is relevant to the conversation.

  146. on 18 Jul 2013 at 1:01 am 146.The messenger said …

    337.Angus and Alexis, I did not lie.

    I simply stated the scientific reasons that rain and lightning occur.

    Since GOD does make lightning and rain, he would have had to produce them in the scientifically proven way.

    GOD causes all things. Science is discovering how he does what he does.

  147. on 18 Jul 2013 at 1:14 am 147.The messenger said …

    338.freddies_dead, tell me, what purpose does sex serve except lust or reproduction?

  148. on 18 Jul 2013 at 1:53 am 148.The messenger said …

    337.Angus and Alexis, the laws of marriage and sex apply to straight and gay people.

    Lust is not tolerated

  149. on 18 Jul 2013 at 3:06 am 149.The messenger said …

    338.freddies_dead, yes, arranged marriages, polygamy, and concubines are allowed, but in Exodus 21:7-11 it states that if the concubine fails to please her master then her master can let her leave, and if her master fails to treat her equally then she can leave at her own free will.

    You liar. Deuteronomy 17:17 states that having multiple wives is bad.

    If a marriage is arranged they must work out their differences and love each other. They will learn to love oneanother.

  150. on 18 Jul 2013 at 3:13 am 150.The messenger said …

    340.freddies_dead, GOD gave no context clues to suggest that the “stoning to death” was a litteral stoning or a litteral death.

    GOD did give a context clue in exodus when he said “thou shall not murder”, therefore the stoning could not have been literal because it would have been murder to litteraly stone someone.

  151. on 18 Jul 2013 at 3:22 am 151.The messenger said …

    340.freddies_dead, your lies have caught up to you.

    In comment 268 you stated the following quote.

    (Why is it my job to show that the words in the Bible don’t actually mean what they say? THAT’S THE JOB OF BULLSHIT PREACHERS AND FUCKWITS LIKE YOU that want to twist the words to mean exactly what you want them to mean. Anyway, what the fuck is metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die”.)

    Then in comment 268 you stated the following quote.

    (I’VE NEVER STATED ANY SUCH THING liar, and I could easily find other preachers – preaching what they also promise to be “the true meaning of the Bible” – who disagree with what you claim to be metaphorical. Why should I take your word – or the word of any other deluded preacher for that matter – over what a plain reading of those passages tells me?)

    You stated one thing, then you lied about saying it.

  152. on 18 Jul 2013 at 3:34 am 152.The messenger said …

    338.freddies_dead, I was not connecting gays with child molesting, I was connecting same sex marriage(both straight and gay) to child molesting.

    Sex without reproduction is for lust, and will therefore cause them to cheat in their spouses with hookers, and molest children.

    Lustful sex from straight people and gay people is bad.

  153. on 18 Jul 2013 at 4:25 am 153.Angus and Alexis said …

    Hmmm…

    It seems that Theists are an unbreakable wall (Ignorance, bigotry, etc)
    And we are an unstoppable force (actual facts, etc)
    Leading to a constant battle of one side losing, but at the same time constantly winning due to their own ignorance…

  154. on 18 Jul 2013 at 5:18 am 154.Anonymous said …

    True enough A&A but it’s not clear that the folks posing as theists are doing anything other than playing games. Note that they post the same old crap to every thread. It doesn’t matter the subject, it’s the same old dreary diversions.

    Perhaps if we’re not so quick to take the bait then the real theists, maybe even non-drive-bys, will actually have a chance to participate. Right now as soon as an actual believer posts something, “a” or his sock-puppets chases them away, then the trolls returns to the exact same diversions as before.

    Go read some of the previous threads and see if they don’t all degenerate into the same few diversions, time after time, after time. See how many, if any at all, relevant replies the “theists” make to any thread – yet people pile on to respond to what should be obvious troll-bait. We don’t have to play their game. We really don’t.

  155. on 18 Jul 2013 at 10:34 am 155.Angus and Alexis said …

    Hmm, i wonder what Sockpuppet will be next.

  156. on 18 Jul 2013 at 11:58 am 156.alex said …

    “Perhaps if we’re not so quick to take the bait then the real theists, maybe even non-drive-bys, will actually have a chance to participate.”

    yeah, well, I/some can only take so much of this crap, before a reply is forthcoming. sorto, like the phrase “you are so blessed”, or “we can all thank the lord”, and the vomit starts creeping up. these morons just don’t realize how inconsiderate it is.

  157. on 18 Jul 2013 at 11:59 am 157.A said …

    #345
    #347

    Readers,

    Nothing but soap opera analysis and grade school diversions. Nothing concerning content as mousey lectures they rest of us concerning staying on topic. Maybe if they actually answered a questions we could stay on topic. Scroll the threads and see where they continue to avoid questions. But no……..as mousey admitted, “gotcha” questions scare them.

    Why have theist left the blog? Probably due to atheists cursing, name-calling and childish hijinks. I mean, lol !!! they are told to leave by the atheist elite on a regular basis. I would wager you will not find a single theist who has done the same.

    Q.E.D.

  158. on 18 Jul 2013 at 12:03 pm 158.A said …

    “Hmm, i wonder what Sockpuppet will be next.”

    Oh, it was alex, posing as a tolerant loving human being!

    Cue another Tulip birth from Butterfly.

  159. on 18 Jul 2013 at 12:42 pm 159.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Cue another Tulip birth from Butterfly.”

    *Tulpa *Fluttershy (not even my name anymore)
    Nice spelling, sad to see you failed first grade english.
    That or you have some odd hatred or ignorance of either ponies and tulpae.

    “Oh, it was alex, posing as a tolerant loving human being!”

    At least he isnt bigoted to gays, women, atheists and religions that leave him alone.

    “they are told to leave by the atheist elite on a regular basis.”

    I have never seen this, and i read a lot of the older blog posts, generally they tend to say GTFO to you and your puppets.

    “Maybe if they actually answered a questions we could stay on topic. Scroll the threads and see where they continue to avoid questions.”

    You mean those irrelevant questions that lead to nowhere and the questions that ask to disprove things? Because that is not how the burden of proof works.

    “I would wager you will not find a single theist who has done the same.”

    Hmm, arent you the one who constantly says for others to leave the blog?
    Word of advice, dont dig deeper when your in a hole.

  160. on 18 Jul 2013 at 12:44 pm 160.Angus and Alexis said …

    Actually, i just thought of something, why does “Messenger” and “A” make so many damned spelling mistakes on words that are stupidly simple?

    kinda makes you wonder…

  161. on 18 Jul 2013 at 1:01 pm 161.DPK said …

    Angus, please just ignore him. You aren’t going to convince an intrinsically dishonest liar of anything. He is a troll.

  162. on 18 Jul 2013 at 1:25 pm 162.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Angus, please just ignore him. You aren’t going to convince an intrinsically dishonest liar of anything. He is a troll.”

    What would you advise instead?…

    Perhaps we should simply write down more stuff that disproves god or something? (and of course ignore A and his puppets)

  163. on 18 Jul 2013 at 2:15 pm 163.Curmudgeon said …

    A

    Looking back on who has been asking posters to leave the blog we have Alex who cussed out every theist. Over on the other thread he made an exchange with one who will not be back. Then A&A who attempted to have a poster banned.

    All of them have asked 40Y to leave. Anyone who intellectually embarrasses them is asked to leave. A&A, Alex and Matt are an embarrassment to the others. I’m sure the others hope they leave.

    I also know 40Y is not you A. I checked his blog. We have a hijacker and I have my suspicions.

  164. on 18 Jul 2013 at 4:32 pm 164.alex said …

    “…we have Alex who cussed out every theist.”

    wrong, moron. look at the context. all we get here are idiots like you, nothing to offer, but regurgitated vomit.

    “Alex and Matt are an embarrassment to the others.”

    the usual expected bullshit, that’s why you get the obligatory “shithead” moniker. believe me, if i embarassed anybody, i’d be called out for it. unlike you morons, who endlessly put up with your idiot “messy”, oops, i fergit, socks match.

    why are you back? you missed my cursing? you dumb motherfucker, want more?

  165. on 18 Jul 2013 at 4:36 pm 165.Anonymous said …

    Angus and Alexis, just respond to the new posts as they come up. Ignore Ass and his sock puppets. He was busted on this thread alone for posting as Martin and 40YA. He’ll throw a fit, post shit, agree with himself via his other selfs, but in the end it’s clear that he’s just an angry old man. A curmudgeon, if you know what I mean.

  166. on 18 Jul 2013 at 5:32 pm 166.The messenger said …

    340.freddies_dead, your lies have caught up to you.
    In comment 268 you stated the following quote.
    (Why is it my job to show that the words in the Bible don’t actually mean what they say? THAT’S THE JOB OF BULLSHIT PREACHERS AND FUCKWITS LIKE YOU that want to twist the words to mean exactly what you want them to mean. Anyway, what the fuck is metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die”.)
    Then in comment 268 you stated the following quote.
    (I’VE NEVER STATED ANY SUCH THING liar, and I could easily find other preachers – preaching what they also promise to be “the true meaning of the Bible” – who disagree with what you claim to be metaphorical. Why should I take your word – or the word of any other deluded preacher for that matter – over what a plain reading of those passages tells me?)
    You stated one thing, then you lied about saying it.

  167. on 18 Jul 2013 at 7:49 pm 167.DPK said …

    “I also know 40Y is not you A. I checked his blog.”

    hahaha… what, did he write on his blog “I am not the capital “A” Astrophysicist that posts under 6 different aliases on WWGHA.”?

    I guess that proves it huh?

    Get the fuck out with your bullshit Stan/Hor/Ass/Martin/Crum/Xenon. We got your number, your credibility is shot. No one will engage your nonsense here anymore. You have been outed as a deceitful liar and no amount of squirming gets you take seriously ever again. Fraud.

  168. on 18 Jul 2013 at 8:42 pm 168.The messenger said …

    359.Angus and Alexis, women are respected and powerful in the Catholic Church.

    Hillary Clinton is a member of the Catholic Church, and she is a very powerful woman.

    PS, Tell me, what have I misspelled?

  169. on 18 Jul 2013 at 9:14 pm 169.Anonymous said …

    Oh and Curmudgeon “checked his blog” yet it was A who posted to it. Then Curmudgeon tries the worn-out “hey other me, I know it wasn’t you, but I’m going to play a game of ‘I know something you don’t'”. He previously tried pretend remorse which failed miserably, then came back with his standard vitriol and projection. FFS, so much fail and self-destructive behavior. As DPK says, you’re done, and in all your guises.

    Theists, real-ones, ones who want to defend or explain their beliefs. Let’s have a real conversation in line with the purpose of this site,

  170. on 18 Jul 2013 at 9:46 pm 170.A said …

    Cur,

    I have been over to his blog as well. A nice change from the stupidity and child-like rants produced by the haters here. Logic, reason and facts. Nice! Difficult to navigate on a phone.

    I’m pretty sure I know the hijacker here. BHO is no other than DPK. I always suspected it.

    I see Mousey is attempting to be the blog cop. Mousey keep the mouths of your minions shut. They add nothing to the conversation. Feel free not to post too!

    Finally!

  171. on 18 Jul 2013 at 9:53 pm 171.Anonymous said …

    “He’ll throw a fit, post shit, agree with himself via his other selfs, but in the end it’s clear that he’s just an angry old man”.

    Prediction confirmed. Time to just let him rant until he cries himself to sleep.

  172. on 18 Jul 2013 at 10:06 pm 172.alex said …

    362.Anonymous said …

    blah, blah, blah, from the same set of asshole socks.

    moron, take my test: http://goo.gl/nKcz4

    but you’re afraid, cuz you know i’ll figure out who you are, ya dipshit. i tolya before, no more putting up with bullshit motherfuckers like you.

    here’s my prediction: the same fuckhead theists won’t have anything new, cept the same old shit, lookey here, lookey there, divert from the bullshit god.

  173. on 18 Jul 2013 at 10:36 pm 173.A said …

    Alex couldn’t agree with you more about anonymous. Be easy on him. He is challenged

  174. on 18 Jul 2013 at 11:46 pm 174.alex said …

    364.A said …

    i see your ass going to my website, but you too scared to enter something. ya know, i’ll figure your motherfucking ass out. go ahead, scared fuck.

    congrats Angus and Alexis. like you said, you’re from australia. you entered “Yeah, links have to sent through moderation first”. no secret here.

    theist motherfuckers are afraid. why? your god will protect you. go ahead: http://goo.gl/nKcz4

  175. on 19 Jul 2013 at 12:22 am 175.DPK said …

    What is this? Guess who I’m pretending to be now?
    http://www.parade.com/images/-v5/health-and-food/2011/0703/main-sock-puppet.jpg

    what a pathetic excuse for a human being. He gets caught with his pants down and then tries to put the blame on someone else. Typical of the Christian mentality… “It wasn’t my fault, Pope.. that little 7 year old boy came on to me… and he was dressed very provoctavily.. it’s HIS fault I put my dick up his ass, not mine!” Remember this is not the 1st time he’s been outed for his multiple personality disorder. Everyone is wise to him and nobody believes his bullshit.
    A/Curm/40/Martin/Xenon/Hor…This is why everyone is ignoring you.. you are not worth anybody’s attention.

  176. on 19 Jul 2013 at 1:59 am 176.The messenger said …

    340.freddies_dead, your lies have caught up to you.
    In comment 268 you stated the following quote.
    (Why is it my job to show that the words in the Bible don’t actually mean what they say? THAT’S THE JOB OF BULLSHIT PREACHERS AND FUCKWITS LIKE YOU that want to twist the words to mean exactly what you want them to mean. Anyway, what the fuck is metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die”.)
    Then in comment 268 you stated the following quote.
    (I’VE NEVER STATED ANY SUCH THING liar, and I could easily find other preachers – preaching what they also promise to be “the true meaning of the Bible” – who disagree with what you claim to be metaphorical. Why should I take your word – or the word of any other deluded preacher for that matter – over what a plain reading of those passages tells me?)
    You stated one thing, then you lied about saying it. ‘

  177. on 19 Jul 2013 at 2:21 am 177.DPK said …

    I’m pretty sure I know the hijacker here. BHO is no other than DPK. I always suspected it.

    Hahaha… Well, you can add that to the long list of things you think ou know, about which you are completely wrong.
    There is no hijacker, there is only you who simply forgot to change your screen name when replying to a post under a different persona. The only deceit going on here is yours. You are busted, outed and declared persona non grata. Completely discredited and inconsequential.

  178. on 19 Jul 2013 at 2:42 am 178.Angus and Alexis said …

    “congrats Angus and Alexis. like you said, you’re from australia. you entered “Yeah, links have to sent through moderation first”. no secret here.”

    Sorry, bit too busy fighting crocodiles and stingrays, will reply on this soon enough.

    ” *all the other random posts above this one about blogs, puppets and “A”*”

    Ok, so lemme get this straight, “A” is some old guy named “Stan” and he uses the puppets “Xenon” “40yr old atheist” “horatio” “Martin” and “curmudgeon”? And how he pretty much fails to answer any relevant questions, drives away other theists and fails to spell any ones names correctly on almost all of his puppets?

  179. on 19 Jul 2013 at 4:41 am 179.Anonymous said …

    Close enough Angus and Alexis, but you’re only just scratching the surface of how many sock-puppets he’s been using or, indeed, has been known to use in any one thread.

    By the way, when you look at how many times the exact same list of questions has been posted to him without even an acknowledgment, then “pretty much fails to answer any relevant question” becomes an understatement of astonishing proportions.

  180. on 19 Jul 2013 at 6:54 am 180.Angus and Alexis said …

    ““pretty much fails to answer any relevant question” becomes an understatement of astonishing proportions.”

    Okay..
    How about “Fails to answer even the most trivial questions that any 5 year old with education can answer without any worries of failure or embarrassment so long as they tell the truth”?
    Still an understatement? ;P

    Do we still have Messenger here?
    Sure he is a buffoon, but at least his rambling, incoherent posts were entertaining to reply to…

    Also, to anyone bored enough to write about tulpae, what are your opinions of myself and my tulpa? Would you view it as insane, similar to god, etc?

  181. on 19 Jul 2013 at 7:33 am 181.Anonymous said …

    Yes, still an understatement.

    I might be mistaken, but I didn’t think Tulpas had a claim to creating existence, answered prayers exactly if if they didn’t exist, were omnipotent but with a weakness for kryptonite iron chariots, had a foreskin fetish, condemned you to eternal torment for not believing in fairy stories, or were their own biological fathers. Hence, it’s hardly in the same ballpark as a god. Maybe a discussion for a different forum, though?

  182. on 19 Jul 2013 at 8:25 am 182.Angus and Alexis said …

    Wow…still an understatement ehh?…

    I guess its for a different forum, but i know that theists have some odd hate of tulpae, so i found it relevant to see how others think about tulpae, and why theists think tulpae is insanity ;D

  183. on 19 Jul 2013 at 8:36 am 183.Angus and Alexis said …

    You know…due to the entire “something not physical is speaking to me and you cant see it” part of tulpae…

    Also, now that we are out of theists, what are we going to talk about?…

  184. on 19 Jul 2013 at 9:23 am 184.Anonymous said …

    They’re not dead, they’re jest restin’.

    http://goo.gl/BkUkv

  185. on 19 Jul 2013 at 9:36 am 185.Anonymous said …

    Oh, and metiphorically [sic], this is for freddies_dead.

    http://goo.gl/cf1fz

  186. on 19 Jul 2013 at 10:24 am 186.The messenger said …

    384.Anonymous, stop wasting my time with some stupid comedian video.

  187. on 19 Jul 2013 at 10:27 am 187.The messenger said …

    359.Angus and Alexis, women are respected and powerful in the Catholic Church.
    Hillary Clinton is a member of the Catholic Church, and she is a very powerful woman.
    PS, Tell me, what have I misspelled?

  188. on 19 Jul 2013 at 10:27 am 188.The messenger said …

    340.freddies_dead, your lies have caught up to you.
    In comment 268 you stated the following quote.
    (Why is it my job to show that the words in the Bible don’t actually mean what they say? THAT’S THE JOB OF BULLSHIT PREACHERS AND FUCKWITS LIKE YOU that want to twist the words to mean exactly what you want them to mean. Anyway, what the fuck is metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die”.)
    Then in comment 268 you stated the following quote.
    (I’VE NEVER STATED ANY SUCH THING liar, and I could easily find other preachers – preaching what they also promise to be “the true meaning of the Bible” – who disagree with what you claim to be metaphorical. Why should I take your word – or the word of any other deluded preacher for that matter – over what a plain reading of those passages tells me?)
    You stated one thing, then you lied about saying it. ‘

  189. on 19 Jul 2013 at 10:56 am 189.freddies_dead said …

    385.Anonymous said …

    Oh, and metiphorically [sic], this is for freddies_dead.

    http://goo.gl/cf1fz

    BLASPHEMER!!!! Brilliant, I always did love the Pythons. Although I’m guessing messy will still say they stopped when the evil was gone.

  190. on 19 Jul 2013 at 10:57 am 190.freddies_dead said …

    Oh goody, messy’s back, back again…

    And I know Anonymous would rather we didn’t feed the trolls but the Christians pulled out of this conversation a long time ago so while I’m enjoying showing messy up for the vile human being that he is I think I’ll carry on for a while longer.

    347.The messenger said …

    338.freddies_dead, tell me, what purpose does sex serve except lust or reproduction?

    Easy, an expression of love. Despite what you keep insisting, sex does not automatically = lust when it’s done for something other than reproduction. I’d also like to point out that it’s quite possible to conceive during a sex act that is the product of lust.

    349.The messenger said …

    338.freddies_dead, yes, arranged marriages, polygamy, and concubines are allowed, but in Exodus 21:7-11 it states that if the concubine fails to please her master then her master can let her leave, and if her master fails to treat her equally then she can leave at her own free will.

    So the Bible allows for more than just the 1 man, 1 woman definition of marriage that you hold to in order to deny gays the right to marry. Thanks for conceding that your bigotry isn’t actually Biblical but just down to your personal preference.

    You liar. Deuteronomy 17:17 states that having multiple wives is bad.

    Hold on. You just said above that the Bible allowed polygamy. Now you’re saying the Bible is against multiple wives. Which is it messy? And why does your Bible have this contradiction when it is supposedly inspired by an omniscient deity?

    If a marriage is arranged they must work out their differences and love each other. They will learn to love oneanother.

    Irrelevant, you’ve already conceded that your bigotry isn’t Biblical in origin despite you trying to make out that it is.

  191. on 19 Jul 2013 at 10:57 am 191.freddies_dead said …

    350.The messenger said …

    340.freddies_dead, GOD gave no context clues to suggest that the “stoning to death” was a litteral stoning or a litteral death.

    Liar. Lets take a look at Dueteronomy 22:23-24 shall we?

    “If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.”

    The context is quite clear. Bring them to the gate of the city and stone them – with stone – until they are dead. There’s nothing there that suggests they’re only going to be lightly stoned until they repent of their sin. It’s a full on literal death sentence.

    GOD did give a context clue in exodus when he said “thou shall not murder”, therefore the stoning could not have been literal because it would have been murder to litteraly stone someone.

    And, as I’ve already pointed out, any commandment, issued by God, that requires you to kill another person isn’t considered murder. It’s a just punishment for sin. If you think this is wrong then why aren’t you condemning God himself for his insistence on commanding people to commit murder or his own genocidal exploits in the flood etc…?

    351 and again at 366 and then again at 376.The messenger said …

    340.freddies_dead, your lies have caught up to you.

    I haven’t lied at all.

    In comment 268 you stated the following quote.

    (Why is it my job to show that the words in the Bible don’t actually mean what they say? THAT’S THE JOB OF BULLSHIT PREACHERS AND FUCKWITS LIKE YOU that want to twist the words to mean exactly what you want them to mean. Anyway, what the fuck is metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die”.)

    Then in comment 268 you stated the following quote.

    It was actually comment 340 but lets not let facts get in the way eh?

    (I’VE NEVER STATED ANY SUCH THING liar, and I could easily find other preachers – preaching what they also promise to be “the true meaning of the Bible” – who disagree with what you claim to be metaphorical. Why should I take your word – or the word of any other deluded preacher for that matter – over what a plain reading of those passages tells me?)

    You stated one thing, then you lied about saying it.

    Wrong. Let’s see what you accused me of in comment 326 shall we?

    You stated that it is the job of preachers to explain what the bible means

    And we can quite clearly see from what you’ve quoted that what I actually said about preachers was that “it’s their job to show that the words in the Bible don’t mean what they actually say”. That’s not them explaining what the Bible means, that’s them twisting the words of their God so that they reflect what they want them to mean.

  192. on 19 Jul 2013 at 11:09 am 192.Angus and Alexis said …

    Freddie 1
    Messenger 0

    Follow us next time as theist “Messenger” tries to beat “Freddie” in a battle of biblical proportions, will he succeed? Will he fail? Who will know.

  193. on 19 Jul 2013 at 11:10 am 193.freddies_dead said …

    352.The messenger said …

    338.freddies_dead, I was not connecting gays with child molesting, I was connecting same sex marriage(both straight and gay) to child molesting.

    Straight same sex marriage? Just what would that be exactly?

    cont’d (because wordpress is being an arse)…

  194. on 19 Jul 2013 at 11:10 am 194.freddies_dead said …

    cont’d…

    And your denial is simply an admission that you were connecting homosexuality to child molestation through same sex marriage. Is there something about the institution of marriage that you think will turn homosexuals into monsters? If so then can you please explain it to the rest of us? Just what is it about a wedding that’ll turn gays into hooker-banging pedophiles?

    I’d ask for your evidence that gay marriage leads directly to child molestation but I already know that you don’t have any and instead it’s your hatred of gays that makes you want to make such a vile and unwarranted accusation.

    Sex without reproduction is for lust, and will therefore cause them to cheat in their spouses with hookers, and molest children.

    Now you’re just repeating the same tired bullshit over and over in the hope that people will agree with your disgusting fallacy.

    cont’d…

  195. on 19 Jul 2013 at 11:11 am 195.freddies_dead said …

    cont’d…

    Lustful sex from straight people and gay people is bad.

    I’m beginning to think you just need to get laid a bit more so you’re not obsessing on other people’s sex lives so much.

  196. on 19 Jul 2013 at 11:30 am 196.Angus and Alexis said …

    To messenger.

    Please give up the the lust/gay/sex/marriage, you are not correct, gays are no different than normal (i must stress that the description “normal” doesnt really exist…) people, sure their sex may be different, but if you hate them due to it, i am afraid that is discrimination.

  197. on 19 Jul 2013 at 5:09 pm 197.The messenger said …

    390.freddies_dead, within comment 338 you stated that polygamy was allowed in the bible( you lied). When I responded to comment 338 I accidentally included polygamy in my statement about at arranged marriages and concubines.

    Polygamy is not allowed, according to the bible.

  198. on 19 Jul 2013 at 5:18 pm 198.The messenger said …

    396.Angus and Alexis, I never said that I hate gay people. I love all people.

    The bible does not state anything about hating gay people, it only states that having sex with the same gender is bad.

    GOD does not hate gay people either, he just do not approve of gay sex.

  199. on 19 Jul 2013 at 5:41 pm 199.The messenger said …

    391.freddies_dead, here is comment 268, thus proving that you made that statement in comment 268.

    (251.freddies_dead, can you prove that I am lying?
    You’re posting therefore you’re lying, it’s a pretty well documented fact on here.
    Can you prove that the verses about stoning are not metaphores?
    Why is it my job to show that the words in the Bible don’t actually mean what they say? That’s the JOB OF BULLSHIT PREACHERS and fuckwits like you that want to twist the words to mean exactly what you want them to mean. Anyway, what the fuck is metaphorical about “stone him with stones, that he die”.
    Are you crazy?
    Asks the crazy person. Stop projecting your problems on to me.
    The word “stoning” represents punishment(not a death sentence), and the word “death” represents the death of evil within a person. It does not mean a litteral stoning.
    The words are abundantly clear “stone him with stones, that he die” there’s no ambiguity here, no context that subtly alters the meaning, the person is to be pounded with stones until they are dead. Why should I believe your ridiculous eisegesis over the actual words in the Bible? You know? The book you hold to be absolutely authoritative?
    Can you give any evidence to disprove my claim?
    It is your job to show how those words are metaphorical – all you do is assert that they are and give us your own confirmation bias as proof. That’s not good enough.
    P.S, the Jewish athorities durring Jesus’s time misunderstood the “stoning verses” and thought that it ment a litteral stoning. Jesus proved that the “stoning verses” were metaphorical when he prevented a young woman from being stoned.
    That’s a parable about hypocrisy you twerp. Nowhere does Jesus say stoning is wrong, he simply points out that every bugger there deserved stoning as much as the woman did. There’s nothing in there to show that stoning, with stones, until the stonee is dead is some subtle attempt to discourage people from being bad. It was, and still is, a death sentence. One that God Himself stated was such.
    Here He is in Exodus giving Moses some instructions for an upcoming gig:
    19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
    19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
    19:12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:
    19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
    Harsh security dude.
    Here He is in Leviticus:
    24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
    Here He is in Deuteronomy:
    22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
    There’s a mention of getting evil away in that verse – unfortunately for you God’s way of getting rid of evil seems to be to “stone her with stones that she die”.
    It’s not a fucking metaphor, it’s a death sentence from your douchebag of a God.)

  200. on 20 Jul 2013 at 2:11 am 200.Angus and Alexis said …

    “The bible does not state anything about hating gay people, it only states that having sex with the same gender is bad.”

    WHICH IS DISCRIMINATION YOU DUMBSHIT…

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