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Islam Thomas on 18 Jun 2013 12:57 am

Religious education teaches insanity

When people who are religious are allowed to teach children, they often end up indoctrinating the children in nonsense, as documented by Richard Dawkins in this video inside an Islamic school:

It can take children years to recover from this indoctrination, if they recover at all.

460 Responses to “Religious education teaches insanity”

  1. on 18 Jun 2013 at 2:44 am 1.The messenger said …

    6.Anonymous, your claim of brain washing is crap.
    Many people are converted after they turn 16, therefore this “years of introduction” crap is false.
    Teaching religion at a young age does not create a mental block. The reason that there bond to religion is sometimes stronger when it is taught to them at a young age is because it allows them to learn about the morals of GOD, and they laws of GOD(such as I am the LORD thy God, Thou shalt have no other gods, No graven images or likenesses, Not take the LORD’s name in vain, Remember the sabbath day, Honor thy father and thy mother, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet) so they can decide either to follow GOD, or not.
    GOD’s teachings are not forced on them, they are given a choice to either follow Jesus’s teachings, or not. The choice is their’s.
    Religious education is not brain washing.
    Thomas is brain washing you by fabricating lies and tring to convince you that they are true.

  2. on 18 Jun 2013 at 2:52 am 2.The messenger said …

    Tom, atheists are the brain washers.

    Religious schools teach science and religion.

    Non religious schools teach only science.

    Religious schools do not force their beliefs upon anyone, they simply give people the choice to either believe in GOD, or to not believe in GOD.

    Foolish atheists are always complaining because most people choose to believe in GOD, rather than the lies of atheists.

    Atheists brainwash people with their lies by not allowing them to choose between Religion and atheism.

  3. on 18 Jun 2013 at 2:56 am 3.The messenger said …

    Tom, how can you fail to see that GOD is good?

    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

  4. on 18 Jun 2013 at 4:47 am 4.Fluttershy said …

    FIRST!
    The solution to this problem however is almost impossible, and itself would be considered discrimination….

  5. on 18 Jun 2013 at 6:30 am 5.Anonymous said …

    What’s impossible about telling them that in the pre-scientific, mostly illiterate, uneducated societies such as those that spawned the holy books of the Abrahamic religions, the superstitious people believed patently absurd things. Today we call that nonsense Islam or Christianity.

    They can then go on to learn about the ridiculous beliefs of these ancient people such as man was made from dust and woman from man’s rib. They can either do that in religious education, or a stand-up comedy class.

  6. on 18 Jun 2013 at 2:32 pm 6.The messenger said …

    5.Anonymous, that would be a complete lie.

    The Hebrew people, both past and present, are very educated.

    Tell me, could a bunch of uneducated people build such magnificent structures and form such a great nation?

    The Hebrew people, aka Jews, are some of the most intelligent, loving, compassionate, people on the earth.

    Here is an example of brilliant Jewish architecture.

    Solomon’s Temple
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    Not to be confused with Solomon’s Temple, Buxton.

    A sketch of Solomon’s Temple as described in the Hebrew Bible. Cross section, looking West (above). East elevation (below).

    Reconstruction of the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem according to the description from the Bible.
    According to the Hebrew Bible, Solomon’s Temple, also known as the First Temple, was the Holy Temple (Hebrew: ???????????????????: Bet HaMikdash) in ancient Jerusalem, on the Temple Mount (also known as Mount Zion), before its destruction by Nebuchadnezzar II after the Siege of Jerusalem of 587 BCE. There is no direct archaeological evidence for the existence of Solomon’s Temple, and no mention of it in the surviving contemporary extra-biblical literature.

    The Hebrew Bible states that the temple was constructed under Solomon, king of the Israelites. This would date its construction to the 10th century BCE, although it is possible that an earlier Jebusite sanctuary had stood on the site. During the kingdom of Judah, the temple was dedicated to Yahweh, the god of Israel, and is said to have housed the Ark of the Covenant. Rabbinic sources state that the First Temple stood for 410 years and, based on the 2nd-century work Seder Olam Rabbah, place construction in 832 BCE and destruction in 422 BCE (3338 AM), 165 years later than secular estimates.

    Because of the religious sensitivities involved, and the politically volatile situation in East Jerusalem, only limited archaeological surveys of the Temple Mount have been conducted. No excavations have been allowed on the Temple Mount during modern times. An Ivory pomegranate mentions priests in the house of YHWH, and an inscription recording the Temple’s restoration under Jehoash have appeared on the antiquities market, but the authenticity of both has been challenged and they remain the subject of controversy. No conclusive archeological evidence for or against the existence of Solomon’s Temple has been found.

    History according to the Bible

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  7. on 18 Jun 2013 at 2:33 pm 7.The messenger said …

    Tom, atheists are the brain washers.
    Religious schools teach science and religion.
    Non religious schools teach only science.
    Religious schools do not force their beliefs upon anyone, they simply give people the choice to either believe in GOD, or to not believe in GOD.
    Foolish atheists are always complaining because most people choose to believe in GOD, rather than the lies of atheists.
    Atheists brainwash people with their lies by not allowing them to choose between Religion and atheism .

  8. on 19 Jun 2013 at 5:25 am 8.Fluttershy said …

    I mean that a person can purely believe in science and other stuff, and still consider themselves theist and convert people…

  9. on 19 Jun 2013 at 3:40 pm 9.DPK said …

    I had what would be described as a “religious” education… meaning Catholic school and university… but I was never taught nonsense, like “evolution is just a theory”. I was taught by educated people who seemed to be very adept at keeping reality and their faith well segregated.

    It was almost comical to see how they would at one point make fun of people who believed, for instance, in the biblical creation story, or many of the other absurd biblical myths, like Noah and the Ark, Jonah and the whale… and then they would turn right around and council people about the inerrant word of god…
    It must be very stressful on your sanity living that kind of Jekyll and Hyde existence.

    As Mark Twain famously said, “Faith is believing in stuff you know ain’t so.”

  10. on 19 Jun 2013 at 7:10 pm 10.The messenger said …

    9.DPK, mark was a good writer, but he was not very smart.

  11. on 19 Jun 2013 at 7:12 pm 11.The messenger said …

    DPK, the things in the bible are reality.

    I provided a lot of proof in the past.

  12. on 20 Jun 2013 at 2:05 pm 12.freddies_dead said …

    6.The messenger said …

    A whole bunch of stuff about a temple claimed to have been built in the Bible, however, it’s this bit that stands out to me:

    There is no direct archaeological evidence for the existence of Solomon’s Temple, and no mention of it in the surviving contemporary extra-biblical literature.

    Such a magnificent structure that absolutely no evidence for it’s existence remains and no mention was made of it outside the Bible.

    Ole messy attempts to refute Anonymous with a temple that doesn’t seem to have ever existed. Obviously this seemingly non-existent temple was so grand that it’s builders could only have been a highly educated bunch. And only such a highly educated bunch could have singularly failed to note the existence of such a grand temple in any other contemporary manuscript of the time.

    It’s almost as if the highly educated societies of the time were wholly unaware of such a magnificent example of God’s glory.

  13. on 20 Jun 2013 at 2:09 pm 13.freddies_dead said …

    11.The messenger said … (to DPK)

    DPK, the things in the bible are reality.

    Which bits? The men made out of dust? The women made from ribs? The talking donkey? The chit-chatty snake? It seems that “reality” doesn’t mean what you think that it means.

    I provided a lot of proof in the past.

    So far you’ve provided exactly no proof of your God’s existence and today all you’ve given us is a temple that has no evidence to support that it was ever even built. Your definition of “proof” is as odd as your definition of “reality”.

  14. on 20 Jun 2013 at 3:58 pm 14.The messenger said …

    Here is some information about the relics from Solomon’s Temple that were discovered by some Muslim workers.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071023-jerusalem-artifacts.html

  15. on 21 Jun 2013 at 1:23 am 15.The messenger said …

    13.freddies_dead, here is some proof of GOD.

    Miracle of the Sun

    The Miracle of the Sun (Portuguese: O Milagre do Sol) was an event on 13 October 1917 which was attended by 30,000 to 100,000 people, who were gathered near Fátima, Portugal. Several newspaper reporters were in attendance and they took testimony from many people who claimed to have witnessed extraordinary solar activity. This recorded testimony was later added to by an Italian Catholic priest and researcher in the 1940s.

    According to these reports, the event lasted approximately ten minutes.The three children also reported seeing a panorama of visions, including those of Jesus, Our Lady of Sorrows, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, and of Saint Joseph blessing the people.

    The event was officially accepted as a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church on 13 October 1930. On 13 October 1951, the papal legate, Cardinal Tedeschini, told the million people gathered at Fátima that on 30 October, 31 October, 1 November, and 8 November 1950, Pope Pius XII himself witnessed the miracle of the sun from the Vatican gardens.

  16. on 21 Jun 2013 at 1:30 am 16.The messenger said …

    Miracle of the Sun

    People witnessing the event.
    The people had gathered because three young shepherd children had predicted that at high noon the Blessed Virgin Mary would appear in a field in an area of Fátima called Cova da Iria. According to many witnesses, after a period of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disc in the sky. It was said to be significantly duller than normal, and to cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern, frightening those who thought it a sign of the end of the world. Witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became “suddenly and completely dry, as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain that had been falling”.

    Estimates of number present range from 30,000 to 40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século, to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra, both of whom were present that day.

    The event was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, a reported apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to the children who had made predictions of the event on 13 July 1917, 19 August, and 13 September. The children stated that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them and provide a miracle “so that all may believe.”

  17. on 21 Jun 2013 at 9:29 am 17.Fluttershy said …

    “I provided a lot of proof in the past.”

    HAHAHA….ahhh….nice one…
    Wait….that was a stand up joke right?
    RIGHT?
    Otherwise i feel sorry for you…
    You must live in some other dimension where you actually posted something relevant…

  18. on 23 Jun 2013 at 5:05 am 18.The messenger said …

    30,000 to 100,000 people witnessed thisiricle.

    How is that not valid proof?

  19. on 23 Jun 2013 at 5:06 am 19.The messenger said …

    30,000 to 100,000 people witnessed this miricle..
    How is that not valid proof?

  20. on 23 Jun 2013 at 7:52 pm 20.Martin said …

    “When people who are religious are allowed to teach children, they often end up indoctrinating the children in nonsense”

    Thomas again embarks upon illogical conclusions. We would need Thomas to share what qualifies as acceptable education but we can be sure a deity who creates is not part of it.

    1. The religious family teaches God
    2. I would not teach God.
    3. Therefore they teach insanity.

    Clearly Thomas concludes illogically, foolishly and as a bigot. All parents it could be argued brainwash. Thomas refuses to see his beliefs in this light.

  21. on 23 Jun 2013 at 8:04 pm 21.DPK said …

    Again Martin must lie about the facts in order to try and make a point. If you watched the video, at no time did anyone object to the idea that ” The religious family teaches God.”
    The actual position would go like this:
    1. The religious schools teach things that are simply not true.
    2. Teaching things as fact that are not true is insane.
    3. Therefore they teach insanity.

    Martin… would you consider it insane for someone in the position of authority to teach children something like, humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time in history, roughly 6 thousand years ago?

    Just curious if you think that the time period in which dinosaurs roamed the earth actually depends on what you believe, or is it a fact?

  22. on 23 Jun 2013 at 9:09 pm 22.alex said …

    messenger is out of control. somebody call the cops. that motherfucker sounds like he about to do something crazy. lock up your women and your kids.

  23. on 23 Jun 2013 at 10:43 pm 23.Martin said …

    Alex since you have neither you have a lot of free time huh?

    lol!!

    Martin,

    Good one!

  24. on 23 Jun 2013 at 11:12 pm 24.DPK said …

    Notice Martin drives by, drs aload of horseshit he calls “logic”, ignores it when his fallacious reasoning and outright lies are called out, comes back with a third grade taunt against Alex, and runs away hoping no one noticed he once again got called out for being a liar.
    That’s the way they play the game folks.

  25. on 24 Jun 2013 at 12:07 am 25.alex said …

    21.Martin said …
    Alex since you have neither you have a lot of free time huh?
    lol!!
    Martin,
    Good one!

    martin, you sorry piece of shit. when you sock post, you need to use a different name, dumbass.

  26. on 24 Jun 2013 at 1:15 am 26.The messenger said …

    Tom, atheists are the brain washers.
    Religious schools teach science and religion.
    Non religious schools teach only science.
    Religious schools do not force their beliefs upon anyone, they simply give people the choice to either believe in GOD, or to not believe in GOD.
    Foolish atheists are always complaining because most people choose to believe in GOD, rather than the lies of atheists.
    Atheists brainwash people with their lies by not allowing them to choose between Religion and atheism.

  27. on 24 Jun 2013 at 2:09 am 27.alex said …

    26.The messenger said …

    dumbmotherfucker says shit that he backs up with more bullshit. go fuck yourself.

    martin, where are you? you need to sock post yourself again, dipshit.

  28. on 24 Jun 2013 at 5:49 am 28.Anonymous said …

    Yes. Once again, “martin” outs himself as a despicable liar, a fraud, and a sock-puppet. Unable to make a case for his religion, all he is left with is to post his make-believe conversations in order to distract attention from his inability to justify his belief in his make-believe god.

  29. on 24 Jun 2013 at 1:55 pm 29.A said …

    Martin that was quite funny! It is too easy to get one off on alexander the mouth. I just hope he can’t reproduce all his hate in a spawn.

    Well played sir!

  30. on 24 Jun 2013 at 2:50 pm 30.DPK said …

    Yes Martin, er, other A, what a brilliant example of 5th grade debating skills you show… implying that Alex has neither a girlfriend or children is simply breathtakingly insightful. Surely that must prove your god is real!

    Then Ass, is an equally brilliant and touching display of loving christian compassion replies:
    “Martin that was quite funny! It is too easy to get one off on alexander the mouth. I just hope he can’t reproduce all his hate in a spawn.
    Well played sir!… uhm I mean other me.”

    But notice that neither one addressed the fact that Martin failed to answer the actual question… so let’s try again:

    Martin… would you consider it insane for someone in the position of authority to teach children something like humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time in history, roughly 6 thousand years ago?

    Just curious if you think that the time period in which dinosaurs lived actually depends on what you believe, or is it a fact? In other words, do actual facts care whether you believe in them or not?

  31. on 24 Jun 2013 at 3:18 pm 31.freddies_dead said …

    19.The messenger said …

    30,000 to 100,000 people witnessed this miricle..
    How is that not valid proof?

    The only thing that thousands of wankers in a field sharing a delusion is proof of, is that thousands of people in a field are quite capable of sharing a delusion.

    There is no actual evidence for the “miracle of the sun” other than some eyewitness accounts from delusional wankers. The sun did not dance in the sky, it did nothing. But, not wishing to sound like idiots for gathering in a field for no reason, the wankers gave delusional accounts which matched the “prophecy”.

  32. on 24 Jun 2013 at 3:25 pm 32.DPK said …

    On 21 September 1995. Before dawn, a Hindu worshiper at a temple in south New Delhi made an offering of milk to a statue of Ganesha. When a spoonful of milk from the bowl was held up to the trunk of the statue, the liquid was seen to disappear, apparently taken in by the idol. Word of the event spread quickly, and by mid-morning it was found that statues of the entire Hindu pantheon in temples all over India were taking in milk.

    By noon the news had spread beyond India, and Hindu temples in the United Kingdom, Canada, UAE, and Nepal among other countries had successfully replicated the phenomenon, and the Vishva Hindu Parishad (an Indian Hindu organization) had announced that a miracle was occurring. In the USA, it was observed at the Hindu Temple Society of North America (Ganesh Temple).

    The reported miracle had a significant effect on the areas around major temples; vehicle and pedestrian traffic in New Delhi was dense enough to create a gridlock lasting until late in the evening. Many stores in areas with significant Hindu communities saw a massive jump in sales of milk, with one Gateway store in England selling over 25,000 pints of milk,[3] and overall milk sales in New Delhi jumped over 30%.[4] Many minor temples struggled to deal with the vast increase in numbers, and queues spilled out into the streets, reaching distances of over a mile.

    Messenger… millions of people all over the world observed this miracle. Surely this is proof that the Hindu gods are real, don’t you agree?

  33. on 24 Jun 2013 at 4:06 pm 33.michael said …

    ok. lets break down post 7 by messenger:

    Tom, atheists are the brain washers.

    – – right. there are a lot of atheist organizations that demand membership for newborns.

    Religious schools teach science and religion.

    – – a broad generalization. bringham young is a good example of this.

    Non religious schools teach only science.

    – – other than any history or religious courses offered, yes.

    Religious schools do not force their beliefs upon anyone, they simply give people the choice to either believe in GOD, or to not believe in GOD.

    – – this is outright fucking lie.

    north american martyers and saint bernadette, both located in pennsylvania, featured teachers that explained that if i did not believe and obey i would go to hell. in fact, a nun ran st bernies and was adamant about yelling at students through a megaphone because she wasnt allowed to hit them anymore

    Foolish atheists are always complaining because most people choose to believe in GOD, rather than the lies of atheists.

    – – i cannot speak for atheism but i dont really care what you believe in. its when you decide that you want power over someone else because god said this or that, thats typically when i get pissed off.

    spirtuality…freedom to believe in god…i dont mind.

    religion, an organization that impacts everyone…is not my friend.

    Atheists brainwash people with their lies by not allowing them to choose between Religion and atheism .

    – – this last part, well, its just too stupid to even respond to.

  34. on 24 Jun 2013 at 4:41 pm 34.Boz said …

    Religious folks, outside of Muslims and Atheists allow you to chose what to believe We do see Muslim nations and Atheist nations putting people to death by millions for not believing the state religion. They must brainwash the masses to keep control with threats of death.

  35. on 24 Jun 2013 at 5:24 pm 35.alex said …

    “They must brainwash the masses…”

    so, atheists brainwash and theists brainwash also. we all brainwash and somehow this makes the theist brainwashing gooder? your statement still does not refute the xtian brainwashing. moron.

  36. on 24 Jun 2013 at 6:12 pm 36.DPK said …

    34.Boz said …

    “Religious folks, outside of Muslims and Atheists allow you to chose what to believe.”

    You mean religious schools who charge people for an “education” allow you to choose to believe that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time in history if you want to? What kind of “education” is that? Here, give me your money, and believe whatever you want…
    And where do you get that atheists do not “allow” you to believe nonsense? Last I checked there were a lot of people in the world who believe a lot of utter nonsense and there are no atheist stupidity squads rounding them up. I think you mistake “laughing at you and thinking you are either retarded, stupid, or insane” for “not allowing”
    You are allowed to believe whatever you want, but the fact is reality doesn’t care if you believe in it or not.
    D

  37. on 24 Jun 2013 at 6:37 pm 37.Anonymous said …

    “…allow you to chose what to believe”

    And at a stroke, the replacement sock-puppet demonstrates the depth of his brainwashing.

    If you choose what to believe then you are admitting that you practice self-deception. If you choose what do believe then reality takes a back seat to nonsense. If you choose what to believe in preference to what is actually true, then you are a dangerous individual who cannot be trusted to act in a rational manner.

    This hole that you are digging in your attempts to inflame and incite is swallowing you whole. Whilst it’s comical to watch your self-incrimination, you really should stop digging.

  38. on 24 Jun 2013 at 7:09 pm 38.A said …

    Box,

    I would argue atheists are worse. Look no further than Korea, China and the former USSR. Start a church, own a Bible and we will kill or imprison you.

    Nice!

  39. on 24 Jun 2013 at 8:50 pm 39.Brian said …

    There are many logical arguments against God. Where they seem to fall apart is they rely on being able to rationalize the mind of God. When I read about the works of Einstein there is much I don’t understand so when I think of the the vastness of the universe I conclude that just because something is illogical to me doesn’t mean it isn’t so.

  40. on 24 Jun 2013 at 9:15 pm 40.DPK said …

    “when I think of the the vastness of the universe I conclude that just because something is illogical to me doesn’t mean it isn’t so.”

    But it also doesn’t mean it IS so, so unless you are willing to accept any postulated idea as reality, you need to have something more to go on….
    I have said many, many time here, there is undeniably an order to the universe… there are “laws” regarding the way that matter and energy behave, and those laws have led to what we call the physical universe, or “creation” if you will. If you want to call that underlying order to the universe “god” in the same sense that Einstein meant when he referred to “god”… have at. You will get no argument from me. But if you want to jump from THAT to an all powerful, all knowing warrior god who wants to be my friend, wants me to snip off the end of my penis, cares about who I sleep with, and will judge me and punish me or reward me with eternal life of bliss or torment after I die… well you’re going to need a bit more than some ancient legends written by sheep herding primitives that thought thunder and lightening were signs of gods anger.
    And if you further want me to accept a magical god who had to incarnate himself as a human in order to sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself for the crime of a woman who ate an apple from a forbidden tree, well, understand please if I laugh at your ridiculousness.

  41. on 24 Jun 2013 at 10:55 pm 41.A said …

    Indeed Brian, just as atheist accept macro evolution as true. The can’t prove it but they sure believe it.

  42. on 24 Jun 2013 at 11:20 pm 42.alex said …

    “Where they seem to fall apart…”

    it doesn’t matter if 100% of them fall apart. it’s not proof for your god, you dipshit. just because an elliptical planetary orbit cannot be replicated on earth doesn’t mean your god exists.

    same shit with santa non-believers who beat their kids and murder people don’t mean santa claus is real. no?

    try, atheists who beat their kids and murder people don’t mean your is real. yes.

    religious education is bullshit because teaching about a god without merit is insanity. unless you got some shit that proves your god? of course, you don’t and puleeze, not that sun shit again.

    hey, martin. martin, the other sock is here to fluff you again, you dumbass.

  43. on 25 Jun 2013 at 6:48 pm 43.Scourge said …

    #41 A Just a heads-up; the “macro evolution”{sic) you seem to deride is merely micro-evolution allowed to run.

    Are you an atheist posing as a Christian to make Christians look like ignorant fools?

  44. on 25 Jun 2013 at 7:11 pm 44.A said …

    Deride? Never I have merely asked for proof that will survive the scientific method.

    Macro is just Micro that is just allowed to run? Lol, yeah I have heard that one before. So, if alex claims he can swim an Olympic size pool you just assume he can swim the Atlantic Ocean, right?

    Think for yourself scrooge.

  45. on 25 Jun 2013 at 7:57 pm 45.DPK said …

    A will not accept the well documented and highly supported concept of speciation unless he can observe it in a laboratory, but he has no problem believing in an invisible man who lives in a magical kingdom who listens to his thoughts and will reward him with an eternal life of happiness as long as he isn’t gay, doesn’t work on the Sundays, snips off the end of his penis and never eats pork or shellfish…. and oh yeah, also doesn’t worship any OTHER invisible men as well.
    Okay………………

  46. on 25 Jun 2013 at 7:59 pm 46.DPK said …

    and you said atheists don’t allow you to believe utter nonsense if you want to… hahahaha

  47. on 25 Jun 2013 at 8:22 pm 47.DPK said …

    And lest we once again get derailed by “A” and his creationist obsession, let’s not forget that neither the “A” “Martin”, or “Boz” sock puppets have had the balls to actually answer the (on topic) question posed them… big surprise, huh?
    But. for the sake of increasing their humiliation and demonstrating their own brainwashed method of reasoning, let’s try again:

    “Martin… (aka A, Boz, Hor, Biff, et.al.) would you consider it insane for someone in the position of authority (as say, a teacher) to teach children something like “humans and dinosaurs actually existed at the same time in history, roughly 6 thousand years ago”?

    Just curious if you think that the time period in which dinosaurs lived actually depends on what you choose to believe, or is it actually a fact that doesn’t change based on your religious indoctrination? In other words, do actual facts care whether you believe in them or not?

  48. on 25 Jun 2013 at 9:31 pm 48.alex said …

    “So, if alex claims he can swim an Olympic size pool you just assume he can swim the Atlantic Ocean, right?”

    you diversionary piece of shit. if i was teaching, in school, the fact that i can swim the atlantic ocean, it would be universally agreed upon that i’m a bullshitter.

    you see where this is headed? your god is bullshit and religious education is insaneifying.

    what other atheists believe in, is irrelevant. i believe barbeque sauce cures cancer. of course it’s crazy, but do you see me teaching that shit, do you?

    hey martin, your other sock is missing you.

  49. on 25 Jun 2013 at 9:57 pm 49.A said …

    Once again the claim speciation is well documented and is fact. A simple test, Aaagggaaaiiinnn. Provide facts we can test using the scientific method. We can then put it to rest.

    Prediction: They will not but will ramble on about creationism, Bible, God in order to avoid the inordinate amount of faith they have in nature.

  50. on 25 Jun 2013 at 10:08 pm 50.alex said …

    “Aaagggaaaiiinnn. Provide facts we can test using the scientific method. We can then put it to rest.”

    Screaming like a beeatch ain’t gonna change the topic “Religious education teaches insanity”. Is it “Education teaches scientific method insanity”? no, you dipshit. religious education is bullshit because you can’t prove your god. this is insane. go pray, better yet, start your own site, fuckhead.

  51. on 25 Jun 2013 at 10:14 pm 51.DPK said …

    Start here. Then I’d suggest perhaps checking into your local college and taking a class on evolutionary biology.
    But of course you will do neither, because it is easier to proclaim gawd mussta done it.
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

  52. on 25 Jun 2013 at 10:15 pm 52.DPK said …

    “… (aka A, Boz, Hor, Biff, et.al.) would you consider it insane for someone in the position of authority (as say, a teacher) to teach children something like “humans and dinosaurs actually existed at the same time in history, roughly 6 thousand years ago”?
    Just curious if you think that the time period in which dinosaurs lived actually depends on what you choose to believe, or is it actually a fact that doesn’t change based on your religious indoctrination? In other words, do actual facts care whether you believe in them or not?

  53. on 26 Jun 2013 at 1:00 am 53.A said …

    Hmmm, so do you believe that ToE should be taught as a FACT in the classroom Dippy?

    You keep dodging along with your buddies and keep changing the subject. Why is that Dippy?

  54. on 26 Jun 2013 at 1:24 am 54.alex said …

    “Hmmm, so do you believe that ToE should be taught as a FACT in the classroom Dippy?”

    damn skippy. the same classroom that teaches earth science that says the planet is around 4.5 billion years old. how’s that compare to your 10,000 year old bullshit earth? the same science that dates fossils way fucking older that your bullshit ark?

    you’re questioning the ToE that has been subjected to rigorous/examination/correction techniques and/or critiques as compared to your bullshit creationism?

    you wonder why creationism/id is not taught in public schools? if ToE is ever found to be bullshit, make no mistake it will removed from the curriculum. in the meantime, your bullshit creationism will never even leave the theoretical starting gate because it’s bullshit. wanna publish some scientific papers and subject it to criticality? you shit talking motherfucker…

  55. on 26 Jun 2013 at 1:48 am 55.DPK said …

    “Hmmm, so do you believe that ToE should be taught as a FACT in the classroom Dippy?”

    “… (aka A, Boz, Hor, Biff, et.al.) would you consider it insane for someone in the position of authority (as say, a teacher) to teach children something like “humans and dinosaurs actually existed at the same time in history, roughly 6 thousand years ago”?
    Just curious if you think that the time period in which dinosaurs lived actually depends on what you choose to believe, or is it actually a fact that doesn’t change based on your religious indoctrination? In other words, do actual facts care whether you believe in them or not?

    Why won’t you answer the question instead of demanding answers from others all the time? Do you have any integrity at all?

  56. on 26 Jun 2013 at 3:46 am 56.the messenger said …

    31.freddies_dead, tell me, if this event really was a dilision, do you thunk that at least 1 of those people would have said so.

    Out of all those people no one spoke up against it, therefore it is highly unlikely that it was a lie.

  57. on 26 Jun 2013 at 3:58 am 57.the messenger said …

    33.michael, I attended the roman catholic school of st. James, and they thought both science and religion.

    Before that, I attended the school of talon k stone. They never taught any religion.

    FYI, there is a large difference between teaching the history of religion and the actual teachings of religion.

  58. on 26 Jun 2013 at 4:20 am 58.DPK said …

    Messenger… A LOT more people saw statues of the Hindu god Ganesha drinking milk in 1995. It was recorded on video, and reported by eye witnesses around the world.
    Why do you discount this miracle as evidence of the existence of the Hindu gods?

    You must have a reason.

  59. on 26 Jun 2013 at 4:28 am 59.the messenger said …

    58.DPK, any supernatural event that does not happen in the name of GOD, must have come from satin.

    Tell me, where is this “recording”?

  60. on 26 Jun 2013 at 4:33 am 60.the messenger said …

    33.michael, atheists try to twist young people’s opinion of religion, instead of letting them form there own opinions and beliefs.

    I ws raised by catholic parents, they never forced me to go to church, or forced me to pray, I chose to do all of that by my self. I chose to believe in GOD, I was not forced.

  61. on 26 Jun 2013 at 4:39 am 61.Anonymous said …

    Messenger has also been asked about Sathya Sai Baba, and he kept ignoring that one too.

    So, let’s restate it. Millions of people believed Sathya Sai Baba to be a god. He has many miracles attributed to him and, note, unlike Yahweh he was [supposedly] doing so until his recent death.

    So, messy, we have millions of people following someone who, in the present day, performs miracles. His followers claim that no-one has disproved his powers as being real.

    Hence, Sathya Sai Baba is way more powerful and relevant today that Yahweh. Messy, do you accept Sathya Sai Baba miracles as true? Yes, or no? If you don’t, tell us why.

    Also, why do you not become one of his disciples? After all, unlike the three-way god of the Christians, there is absolutely no doubt that Sathya Sai Baba physically existed in the modern day

  62. on 26 Jun 2013 at 4:40 am 62.the messenger said …

    33.michael, I never try to gain power over anyone. GOD is the one and only true ruler

    We are all equal under GOD. A human has no right to rule over another human. GOD rules over us, humans can only lead people.

  63. on 26 Jun 2013 at 4:55 am 63.the messenger said …

    61.Anonymous, I apologize for being late, I have been on vacation in Colorado.

    Yahweh has been worshiped since time began, and his most loyal followers “the Jews and Christians” have been around for thousands of years before Sathya Sai Baba’s ever existed.

  64. on 26 Jun 2013 at 6:08 am 64.Anonymous said …

    Messy, for fuck’s sake stop with the dodging and answer the questions – this evasion and avoidance is typical of Christians and you in particular. Like all of the people here with their imaginary friends, you love to post challenges but you are scared stiff to answer a question.

    Here are the questions. Stop with with diversions and answer them.

    So, let’s restate it. Millions of people believed Sathya Sai Baba to be a god. He has many miracles attributed to him and, note, unlike Yahweh he was [supposedly] doing so until his recent death.

    So, messy, we have millions of people following someone who, in the present day, performs miracles. His followers claim that no-one has disproved his powers as being real.

    Hence, Sathya Sai Baba is way more powerful and relevant today that Yahweh. Messy, do you accept Sathya Sai Baba miracles as true? Yes, or no? If you don’t, tell us why.

    Also, why do you not become one of his disciples? After all, unlike the three-way god of the Christians, there is absolutely no doubt that Sathya Sai Baba physically existed in the modern day

  65. on 26 Jun 2013 at 8:59 am 65.Fluttershy said …

    “Here are the questions. Stop with with diversions and answer them.
    So, let’s restate it. Millions of people believed Sathya Sai Baba to be a god. He has many miracles attributed to him and, note, unlike Yahweh he was [supposedly] doing so until his recent death.
    So, messy, we have millions of people following someone who, in the present day, performs miracles. His followers claim that no-one has disproved his powers as being real.
    Hence, Sathya Sai Baba is way more powerful and relevant today that Yahweh. Messy, do you accept Sathya Sai Baba miracles as true? Yes, or no? If you don’t, tell us why.
    Also, why do you not become one of his disciples? After all, unlike the three-way god of the Christians, there is absolutely no doubt that Sathya Sai Baba physically existed in the modern day”
    Had to rerestate it ;D

  66. on 26 Jun 2013 at 8:59 am 66.Fluttershy said …

    “Here are the questions. Stop with with diversions and answer them.
    So, let’s restate it. Millions of people believed Sathya Sai Baba to be a god. He has many miracles attributed to him and, note, unlike Yahweh he was [supposedly] doing so until his recent death.
    So, messy, we have millions of people following someone who, in the present day, performs miracles. His followers claim that no-one has disproved his powers as being real.
    Hence, Sathya Sai Baba is way more powerful and relevant today that Yahweh. Messy, do you accept Sathya Sai Baba miracles as true? Yes, or no? If you don’t, tell us why.
    Also, why do you not become one of his disciples? After all, unlike the three-way god of the Christians, there is absolutely no doubt that Sathya Sai Baba physically existed in the modern day”
    Had to rerestate it ;D

  67. on 26 Jun 2013 at 11:11 am 67.freddies_dead said …

    56.the messenger said …

    31.freddies_dead, tell me, if this event really was a dilision, do you thunk that at least 1 of those people would have said so.

    There were many varying eyewitness accounts, some claimed to see the sun move, some claimed to see various colours and others (believers and non-believers alike) who saw nothing at all.

    Out of all those people no one spoke up against it, therefore it is highly unlikely that it was a lie.

    It is your claim that there were no witnesses who saw nothing that is the lie.

  68. on 26 Jun 2013 at 2:58 pm 68.A said …

    DPK, I accept facts. Is Macroevolution fact?

  69. on 26 Jun 2013 at 4:02 pm 69.DPK said …

    68.A said …

    DPK, I accept facts. Is Macroevolution fact?

    hahahaha… you accept facts? That’s funny.
    Is the existence of supernatural gods a fact?

  70. on 26 Jun 2013 at 4:07 pm 70.DPK said …

    and “A”… why won’t you ever answer even the simplistic of questions?
    “… (aka A, Boz, Hor, Biff, et.al.) would you consider it insane for someone in the position of authority (as say, a teacher) to teach children something like “humans and dinosaurs actually existed at the same time in history, roughly 6 thousand years ago”?

    You must have an opinion… either you think that reality depends on your own personal belief system, in which case you think there is nothing wrong with a school teaching a child that dinosaurs and humans existed simultaneously in history…. OR you think it is not ok for a teacher to teach complete and utter nonsense to students, in which case you agree with the original post that “religious education teaches insanity”.
    Which is it?

  71. on 26 Jun 2013 at 5:02 pm 71.A said …

    Lol!! More diversions. You and Dr Dawkins do not agree? ToE is not fact and it is taught as a lie? So this is truly insanity? So you agree with me Dippy! We have some common ground.

    Now answer this. A form of man and dinosaurs did not exist together. Is this truth and a fact?

  72. on 26 Jun 2013 at 7:04 pm 72.DPK said …

    The only diversions here are coming from you. I know it’s hard for you to stay on topic… but try really hard now.
    We are not talking about the theory of evolution, which you seem to have a fixation on, as if you think that somehow it proves the non-existence of your imaginary god. (it doesn’t btw… most of the educated world, including the vast, vast majority of theists and even religious leaders accept the reality of evolution. It is only the marginalized wing nuts like you and the moon-landing deniers that take issue with one of the most widely supported and accepted scientific theories in existence.)
    But back to topic, we were talking about religious “education” and if it is ok to teach children utter nonsense as facts. If you have a problem with dinosaurs, ok I understand… it makes you nervous because there is no mention of dinosaurs in your holy book. Forget that then… would it be ok to teach children that volcanic eruptions are caused by angry gods who require a human sacrifice to appease them? Or, would you consider that to be insane?
    Would you go to a doctor who graduated from a medical school that taught that germ theory is “just a theory” and it’s ok to believe that infectious diseases are not caused by bacteria and viruses, but are a punishment or test from god?
    Would you fly in an airplane designed by an engineer who was taught that Newtonian physics was “just a theory” and that flight is actually achieved through the will of god, with assistance of angels?

    Will you actually answer any of these A, or are you going to show once again that you are simply full of shit?

  73. on 26 Jun 2013 at 7:28 pm 73.A said …

    Doctors? AIRPLANES? LOL!!! You are high?

    Lets try again on your own scenario. You truly are afraid Dippy. Now answer this. A form of man and dinosaurs did not exist together. Is this truth and a fact?

  74. on 26 Jun 2013 at 7:38 pm 74.DPK said …

    Yeah, I knew you wouldn’t have the balls to answer.

    Your brainwashing is complete. Thanks for proving our point.

    Mr. Asstrophysicist is so terrified of anything that even remotely challenges his delusions that he will not EVEN admit that teaching a child that volcano gods cause volcanoes because they are angry would qualify as insanity.

    There you have it folks. Case closed.

    hahahahahahahaha………………………….

  75. on 26 Jun 2013 at 11:55 pm 75.Matt said …

    Yeah its true Ape. We have writings from cavemens that shows when they first arrived. There weren’t any dinosaurs in their writings. Still no God dude. Why don’t you get you a education.

  76. on 27 Jun 2013 at 1:36 am 76.DPK said …

    Ass farted…”Lets try again on your own scenario. You truly are afraid Dippy. Now answer this. A form of man and dinosaurs did not exist together. Is this truth and a fact?”

    Hahaha…. Man, you’re really grasping at anything now, aren’t you?
    No dipshit, no Homo sapiens existed at the same time as dinosaurs. Missed it by about 65 million years.

  77. on 27 Jun 2013 at 1:39 am 77.Anonymous said …

    “A form of man and dinosaurs did not exist together. Is this truth and a fact?”
    Well, duh. The Flintstones. One Million Years BC.

  78. on 27 Jun 2013 at 2:27 am 78.DPK said …

    Oh, I forgot the Flintstones and Rachel Welsh.
    Does Barney Rubble count as “a form of man” in your worldview, Ass?
    Well, I guess if you believe in talking donkeys, walking on water, and ascending bodily into heaven, why not?

  79. on 27 Jun 2013 at 3:30 am 79.The messenger said …

    64.Anonymous, here is my answer.

    Any supernatural event that does not happen in the name of GOD, must have come from satin. Therefore I do not recognize those events as true miracles.

  80. on 27 Jun 2013 at 3:32 am 80.The messenger said …

    64. Anonymous, Yahweh has been worshiped since time began, and his most loyal followers “the Jews and Christians” have been around for thousands of years before Sathya Sai Baba’s ever existed.

    Therefore it is highly unlikely that Sathya was a GOD.

  81. on 27 Jun 2013 at 3:42 am 81.The messenger said …

    67.freddies_dead, YOU ARE A LIAR.

    Here is an article that CLEARLY states that no one denied that this event occurred.

    De Marchi accounts

    The most widely cited descriptions of the events reported at Fatima are taken from the writings of John De Marchi, an Italian Catholic priest and researcher. De Marchi spent seven years in Fátima, from 1943 to 1950, conducting original research and interviewing the principals at undisturbed length.[15] In The Immaculate Heart, published in 1952, De Marchi reports that, “[t]heir ranks (those present on 13 October) included believers and non-believers, pious old ladies and scoffing young men. Hundreds, from these mixed categories, have given formal testimony. Reports do vary; impressions are in minor details confused, but NONE TO OUR KNOWLAGE HAS DIRECTLY DENIED the visible prodigy of the sun.”[16]

    A photostatic copy of a page from Ilustração Portugueza, October 29, 1917, showing the crowd looking at the Miracle of the Sun during the Fátima apparitions.
    Some of the witness statements follow below. They are taken from John De Marchi’s several books on the matter.

    “Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws — the sun ‘danced’ according to the typical expression of the people.” ? Avelino de Almeida,[17] writing for O Século
    O Século was Portugal’s most widely circulated[18] and influential newspaper. It was pro-government and anti-clerical at the time.[17] Almeida’s previous articles had been to satirize the previously reported events at Fátima.[7]
    “The sun, at one moment surrounded with scarlet flame, at another aureoled in yellow and deep purple, seemed to be in an exceedingly swift and whirling movement, at times appearing to be loosened from the sky and to be approaching the earth, strongly radiating heat.” ? Dr. Domingos Pinto Coelho, writing for the newspaper Ordem.[19]
    “…The silver sun, enveloped in the same gauzy grey light, was seen to whirl and turn in the circle of broken clouds… The light turned a beautiful blue, as if it had come through the stained-glass windows of a cathedral, and spread itself over the people who knelt with outstretched hands… people wept and prayed with uncovered heads, in the presence of a miracle they had awaited. The seconds seemed like hours, so vivid were they.” ? Reporter for the Lisbon newspaper O Dia.[16]
    “The sun’s disc did not remain immobile. This was not the sparkling of a heavenly body, for it spun round on itself in a mad whirl, when suddenly a clamor was heard from all the people. The sun, whirling, seemed to loosen itself from the firmament and advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was terrible.” — Dr. Almeida Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University.[20]
    “As if like a bolt from the blue, the clouds were wrenched apart, and the sun at its zenith appeared in all its splendor. It began to revolve vertiginously on its axis, like the most magnificent firewheel that could be imagined, taking on all the colors of the rainbow and sending forth multicolored flashes of light, producing the most astounding effect. This sublime and incomparable spectacle, which was repeated three distinct times, lasted for about ten minutes. The immense multitude, overcome by the evidence of such a tremendous prodigy, threw themselves on their knees.” ? Dr. Manuel Formigão, a professor at the seminary at Santarém, and a priest. He had attended the September visitation, and examined and questioned the children in detail several times.[20]
    “I feel incapable of describing what I saw. I looked fixedly at the sun, which seemed pale and did not hurt my eyes. Looking like a ball of snow, revolving on itself, it suddenly seemed to come down in a zig-zag, menacing the earth. Terrified, I ran and hid myself among the people, who were weeping and expecting the end of the world at any moment.” — Rev. Joaquim Lourenço, describing his boyhood experience in Alburitel, eighteen kilometers from Fatima.[21]
    “On that day of October 13, 1917, without remembering the predictions of the children, I was enchanted by a remarkable spectacle in the sky of a kind I had never seen before. I saw it from this veranda…” — Portuguese poet Afonso Lopes Vieira.[22]
    According to De Marchi, “Engineers that have studied the case reckoned that an incredible amount of energy would have been necessary to dry up those pools of water that had formed on the field in a few minutes as it was reported by witnesses.”[6]

  82. on 27 Jun 2013 at 12:50 pm 82.A said …

    Matt,

    What writings do we have from the cavemen? What do they tell us?

  83. on 27 Jun 2013 at 2:25 pm 83.Matt said …

    A you must be idiot. We have writings from the cavemen that tells us about their lives and the customs. Don’t you ever read? No god needed by the cavemens.

  84. on 27 Jun 2013 at 2:41 pm 84.Anonymous said …

    “What writings do we have from the cavemen? What do they tell us?”

    Writings?
    Drawings, yes. Animals, (check out Lascaux Cave and Cave of Altamira). Not a dinosaur in sight, or any Fred Flintstone/sexy Raquel Welch image anywhere. What does that tell you? They liked to scribble on the dark cave walls?

  85. on 27 Jun 2013 at 2:48 pm 85.DPK said …

    Matt… he is just trying to bait you into a diversionary sidetrack discussion to draw attention away from his inability to debate the topic honestly.
    Notice he has answered NONE of the direct, on topic questions posed him multiple times? That is what he does, anything he can to draw attention from the fact that his imaginary god is, well, imaginary.
    Don’t get sucked in.

    Ass… do you think teaching children that volcanoes are caused by angry volcano gods, or other such religious nonsense that is clearly not true, is insane?
    Come on, you do, or you don’t!

  86. on 27 Jun 2013 at 2:59 pm 86.Matt said …

    I can handle myself thanks.

    Yes anonymous we have writings from cavemen days. They tell us about who they were and what they did. They even wrote some poetry. There wasn’t any gods in there writings.

  87. on 27 Jun 2013 at 3:07 pm 87.Anonymous said …

    Matt,
    Where are these “writings”? Reference, please.

  88. on 27 Jun 2013 at 4:52 pm 88.Matt said …

    I don’t know where the writings are now. But they do exists. No god will change the reality for you.

  89. on 27 Jun 2013 at 5:08 pm 89.DPK said …

    And what language are these “writings” written in Matt?

  90. on 27 Jun 2013 at 5:44 pm 90.alex said …

    “And what language are these “writings” written in Matt?”

    oh, no! where is this headed?

  91. on 27 Jun 2013 at 6:45 pm 91.Matt said …

    Why don’t you get an education. Some type of higherglyphics .

  92. on 27 Jun 2013 at 6:56 pm 92.Anonymous said …

    Matt: “Why don’t you get an education. Some type of higherglyphics”

    OK. And you consider Egyptians to be cavemen? Or do you refer to some other source for the hieroglyphics? Wonder who needs the education?

  93. on 27 Jun 2013 at 7:16 pm 93.DPK said …

    I smell a troll….. smells like dirty socks.
    Notice “A” has disappeared?
    D

  94. on 27 Jun 2013 at 7:39 pm 94.A said …

    Sigh! The things atheist believe in today.

    Matt were these cave dwellers atheist? Did they write atheist materials that have survived until today? Was Socrates one of them?

  95. on 27 Jun 2013 at 8:27 pm 95.Anonymous said …

    “Matt were these cave dwellers atheist? Did they write atheist materials that have survived until today?”

    No, A, quite the opposite. Cave art is probably the rise of religion. Man’s attempt to understand his place. Later superseded by other myths and actual writings, such as hieroglyphics, korans, torahs, and bibles.

    Maybe you and Matt can both get educated.

  96. on 27 Jun 2013 at 8:30 pm 96.The messenger said …

    64.Anonymous, here is my answer.
    Any supernatural event that does not happen in the name of GOD, must have come from satin. Therefore I do not recognize those events as true miracles.

  97. on 27 Jun 2013 at 8:31 pm 97.The messenger said …

    64. Anonymous, Yahweh has been worshiped since time began, and his most loyal followers “the Jews and Christians” have been around for thousands of years before Sathya Sai Baba’s ever existed.
    Therefore it is highly unlikely that Sathya was a GOD.

  98. on 27 Jun 2013 at 8:32 pm 98.The messenger said …

    o67.freddies_dead, YOU ARE A LIAR.
    Here is an article that CLEARLY states that no one denied that this event occurred.
    De Marchi accounts
    The most widely cited descriptions of the events reported at Fatima are taken from the writings of John De Marchi, an Italian Catholic priest and researcher. De Marchi spent seven years in Fátima, from 1943 to 1950, conducting original research and interviewing the principals at undisturbed length.[15] In The Immaculate Heart, published in 1952, De Marchi reports that, “[t]heir ranks (those present on 13 October) included believers and non-believers, pious old ladies and scoffing young men. Hundreds, from these mixed categories, have given formal testimony. Reports do vary; impressions are in minor details confused, but NONE TO OUR KNOWLAGE HAS DIRECTLY DENIED the visible prodigy of the sun.”[16]
    A photostatic copy of a page from Ilustração Portugueza, October 29, 1917, showing the crowd looking at the Miracle of the Sun during the Fátima apparitions.
    Some of the witness statements follow below. They are taken from John De Marchi’s several books on the matter.
    “Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws — the sun ‘danced’ according to the typical expression of the people.” ? Avelino de Almeida,[17] writing for O Século
    O Século was Portugal’s most widely circulated[18] and influential newspaper. It was pro-government and anti-clerical at the time.[17] Almeida’s previous articles had been to satirize the previously reported events at Fátima.[7]
    “The sun, at one moment surrounded with scarlet flame, at another aureoled in yellow and deep purple, seemed to be in an exceedingly swift and whirling movement, at times appearing to be loosened from the sky and to be approaching the earth, strongly radiating heat.” ? Dr. Domingos Pinto Coelho, writing for the newspaper Ordem.[19]
    “…The silver sun, enveloped in the same gauzy grey light, was seen to whirl and turn in the circle of broken clouds… The light turned a beautiful blue, as if it had come through the stained-glass windows of a cathedral, and spread itself over the people who knelt with outstretched hands… people wept and prayed with uncovered heads, in the presence of a miracle they had awaited. The seconds seemed like hours, so vivid were they.” ? Reporter for the Lisbon newspaper O Dia.[16]
    “The sun’s disc did not remain immobile. This was not the sparkling of a heavenly body, for it spun round on itself in a mad whirl, when suddenly a clamor was heard from all the people. The sun, whirling, seemed to loosen itself from the firmament and advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was terrible.” — Dr. Almeida Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University.[20]
    “As if like a bolt from the blue, the clouds were wrenched apart, and the sun at its zenith appeared in all its splendor. It began to revolve vertiginously on its axis, like the most magnificent firewheel that could be imagined, taking on all the colors of the rainbow and sending forth multicolored flashes of light, producing the most astounding effect. This sublime and incomparable spectacle, which was repeated three distinct times, lasted for about ten minutes. The immense multitude, overcome by the evidence of such a tremendous prodigy, threw themselves on their knees.” ? Dr. Manuel Formigão, a professor at the seminary at Santarém, and a priest. He had attended the September visitation, and examined and questioned the children in detail several times.[20]
    “I feel incapable of describing what I saw. I looked fixedly at the sun, which seemed pale and did not hurt my eyes. Looking like a ball of snow, revolving on itself, it suddenly seemed to come down in a zig-zag, menacing the earth. Terrified, I ran and hid myself among the people, who were weeping and expecting the end of the world at any moment.” — Rev. Joaquim Lourenço, describing his boyhood experience in Alburitel, eighteen kilometers from Fatima.[21]
    “On that day of October 13, 1917, without remembering the predictions of the children, I was enchanted by a remarkable spectacle in the sky of a kind I had never seen before. I saw it from this veranda…” — Portuguese poet Afonso Lopes Vieira.[22]
    According to De Marchi, “Engineers that have studied the case reckoned that an incredible amount of energy would have been necessary to dry up those pools of water that had formed on the field in a few minutes as it was reported by witnesses.”[6]

  99. on 27 Jun 2013 at 8:59 pm 99.DPK said …

    Here’s how it goes folks.

    “A” writing as Matt, says:
    “Something profoundly silly and unsupported, like cavemen wrote poetry in “higherglyphics”. He does this so he can then come back as his other self and say:
    “Sigh! The things atheist believe in today.”

    Hey Ass… I’m an atheist… I don’t believe that… kinda kills your atheist theory, don’t it?

    How about you answer the questions directed to you instead of inventing trolls to argue with? We already know all your tricks. You aren’t fooling anyone, you idiot.

  100. on 27 Jun 2013 at 9:16 pm 100.Matt said …

    DPk you’re an idiot. They only one who post as me is me. The things I say are facts. If you don’t like fact then go wailer in your ignorance.

    A you are also a complete idiot. There is no god. Cavemen did not need to make up stories to steal the monies of other people.

  101. on 27 Jun 2013 at 10:57 pm 101.DPK said …

    Matt… you need to chill. You are either A trolling or you are even dumber than he is. You call people stupid, uneducated and ignorant and you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Cavemen did not write in hieroglyphics. Cavemen drew stickmen on walls. They did have gods. They cowered in fear of thunder and lightning. They howled at the moon. The imagined animals as gods… shit they imagined everything as gods.
    Get over yourself and stop talking shit about stuff about which you are either completely ignorant about, or you are an ASS sock trying to make atheists look stupid. My guess is the later.

    Now that ASS has once again derailed the conversation with meaningless diversions, shall we get back to again pointing out that he has failed to answer any of the questions posed to him. Shall we take that as a concession that the topic of the thread, “religion teaches insanity” is correct, since he has said absolutely NOTHING to refute that idea.

  102. on 27 Jun 2013 at 11:24 pm 102.Anonymous said …

    Matt “The things I say are facts.”

    That may be, but what you write is BS.

    Matt “A you are also a complete idiot. There is no god. Cavemen did not need to make up stories to steal the monies of other people.”

    A is a complete idiot, agreed. But I am afraid you’ve lost me with the cavemen and money analogy. Do you know the significance of the drawings within the caves? Why did our ancestors draw on the walls? Maybe this is where gods began to emerge. Gods are man-made, the myths had to begin somewhere.

  103. on 27 Jun 2013 at 11:57 pm 103.Anonymous said …

    That primitive, uneducated, pre-scientific people would attempt to explain their environment assigning magical qualities to the only terms they knew; man, animals, sun, moon, stars, etc., seems a no-brainer.

    That supposedly educated people still attach some kind of significance to those superstitions speaks volumes to the power of religious brainwashing.

  104. on 28 Jun 2013 at 2:01 am 104.A said …

    Matt,

    I will allow you to speak for the cavemen. If you say they are atheist and bought such a myth then OK.
    I don’t think they have the writings you think they produced.

    DPK thinks I post for everyone on the blog. If I were going to post an idiot sock of the blog as he views you I might call him DPK!! Lol!!

    Hmmm, how does that hand feel DPK?

  105. on 28 Jun 2013 at 2:32 am 105.DPK said …

    Oh ass, don’t flatter yourself. I don’t accuse you of being EVERYONE on this board, just most of the stupid people. Not even all of them… I don’t think you are messenger or Solomon… But you HAVE been busted outright on several occasions replying under the wrong name, so it is a fact that you DO use socks to try and bolster your own position, and you have been caught red handed doing it… So why are you surprised when people accuse a proven liar of lying?

    Nice of you to “allow” Matt to “speak for the caveman”. How about you man up and actually answer some of the multiple questions you have been asked? Coward.

  106. on 28 Jun 2013 at 3:20 am 106.Anonymous said …

    A stated:
    “Matt,
    I will allow you to speak for the cavemen.”

    I am floored by the magnanimity. YOU will ALLOW. The grandiose nature of your personalities amazes me. I’d bet that you also wear small sized shoes ;-) (Napolean complex, perhaps?)

    Strangely enough, I agree with you that Matt is a complete idiot. Maybe he looks back at you in the mirror? Hmmmm……Two fools or one jester, methinks.

  107. on 28 Jun 2013 at 1:20 pm 107.Matt said …

    They were atheists. They did not believe in a god. Anyone who reads their writings knows these things. Cavemen were even to smart to be fooled into such lies. Stop being stupid and give up the lies.

  108. on 28 Jun 2013 at 5:38 pm 108.Fluttershy said …

    Cavemen couldn’t write…

  109. on 28 Jun 2013 at 8:11 pm 109.Anonymous said …

    Cavemen couldn’t write…

    Trolls don’t care.

  110. on 28 Jun 2013 at 8:56 pm 110.A said …

    Lightning striking the oceans does not produce life either so what is one more fairytale?

  111. on 28 Jun 2013 at 9:07 pm 111.Anonymous said …

    Great, it looks like “A” wants to contribute. Let’s remind him of DPK’s question.

    Ass… do you think teaching children that volcanoes are caused by angry volcano gods, or other such religious nonsense that is clearly not true, is insane?
    Come on, you do, or you don’t!

    So, what is your answer?

  112. on 28 Jun 2013 at 9:32 pm 112.alex said …

    lightning strikes you in your ass, and you holla “what’s up messenger?” wtf?

  113. on 28 Jun 2013 at 11:18 pm 113.The messenger said …

    64. Anonymous, Yahweh has been worshiped since time began, and his most loyal followers “the Jews and Christians” have been around for thousands of years before Sathya Sai Baba’s ever existed.
    Therefore it is highly unlikely that Sathya was a GOD,.

  114. on 28 Jun 2013 at 11:28 pm 114.Matt said …

    A give up on your god. Lightning did strike our planet billions of years ago and produced life. Go back to science school.

  115. on 29 Jun 2013 at 12:48 am 115.DPK said …

    103.A said …
    “Lightning striking the oceans does not produce life either so what is one more fairytale?”

    Fact is no one claims to know exactly how life originated on our planet billions of years ago. But the fact is, it did. And the fact is, it started out very simple and grew more and more complex. This is fact.
    Now ASS, since you claim to know that lighting had nothing to do with it, why don’t you tell us exactly how it DID happen… not the fairytale version… the facts that you know to be true.
    Please commence AFTER you have answered the other dozen or so questions you have been dodging.
    Coward.

  116. on 29 Jun 2013 at 2:35 am 116.Anonymous said …

    A: “Lightning striking the oceans does not produce life either so what is one more fairytale?”

    Matt: “Lightning did strike our planet billions of years ago and produced life. Go back to science school.”

    Dumb and dumber in action.

  117. on 29 Jun 2013 at 2:56 am 117.alex said …

    “Dumb and dumber in action.”

    me, an atheist, doesn’t know how the universe was created.

    you, a theist, believes god made adam. and then eve from adam’s rib. who’s the dumb motherfucker?

    ok, some atheists believe in ufos and you can call them dumb. some atheists believe in the big bang and you can call them dumb. still doesn’t change the fact that you’re a dumbfuck, motherfucker, does it?

  118. on 29 Jun 2013 at 4:19 am 118.The messenger said …

    114.DPK, idiot.

    You stated that no one knows how life originated, then you stated a theory about how the originsl lifeforms formed into modern creatures.

    You claim that no one knows how life started, but you make up crazy lies about what these life forms did.

    You idiot.

  119. on 29 Jun 2013 at 4:22 am 119.The messenger said …

    116.alex, people have proved that DNA can be used to grow another similar organism, therefore the DNA in adam’s rib could have been used to construct eve.

    You are a small minded little man.

  120. on 30 Jun 2013 at 1:18 am 120.Standardtheist (Fluttershy) said …

    “you, a theist, believes god made adam. and then eve from adam’s rib. who’s the dumb motherfucker?”

    Silly dumb atheist who believes in science 9_9

    We also believe that other invisible men are fake and how gay people arent allowed in our slice of literal heaven.

  121. on 30 Jun 2013 at 1:19 am 121.Fluttershy said …

    I know i forgot a shiton of other bad shit.
    Any theists here willing to speak up on your horrid religion? ;D

  122. on 30 Jun 2013 at 2:20 am 122.The messenger said …

    119.Standardtheist (Fluttershy), gay people can go to heaven.

    It is not a sin to be gay, it is a sin to have gay sex.

  123. on 30 Jun 2013 at 2:36 am 123.Anonymous said …

    Seeing that the troll Messenger is back posting his usual drivel, answering questions that were not asked (strawman much?), and posting fallacy after fallacy after brain-fucking-dead-fallacy, let’s remind him that we are still waiting for him to actually answer this. Why are you afraid to give an answer?

    Millions of people believed Sathya Sai Baba to be a god. He has many miracles attributed to him and, note, unlike Yahweh he was [supposedly] doing so until his recent death.

    So, messy, we have millions of people following someone who, in the present day, performs miracles. His followers claim that no-one has disproved his powers as being real.

    Hence, Sathya Sai Baba is way more powerful and relevant today that Yahweh. Messy, do you accept Sathya Sai Baba’s miracles as true? Yes, or no? If you don’t, tell us why.

    Also, why do you not become one of his disciples? After all, unlike the three-way god of the Christians, there is absolutely no doubt that Sathya Sai Baba physically existed in the modern day

    Now answer the question as asked. Not some diversion, even though we know that’s what you want to do.

  124. on 30 Jun 2013 at 4:08 am 124.The messenger said …

    123.Anonymous, I told you why I do not recodnize his “miracles” within comment 113.

    Here is coment 113.

    (64. Anonymous, Yahweh has been worshiped since time began, and his most loyal followers “the Jews and Christians” have been around for thousands of years before Sathya Sai Baba’s ever existed.
    Therefore it is highly unlikely that Sathya was a GOD,.)

    That is the reason that I do not recodnize sathya’s “miracles” as legit.

  125. on 30 Jun 2013 at 4:10 am 125.The messenger said …

    123.Anonymous, I will not become one of his deciples because he is not GOD.

  126. on 30 Jun 2013 at 7:41 am 126.Fluttershy said …

    “it is not a sin to be gay, it is a sin to have gay sex.”
    Which is discrimination, which no loving deity would do.
    Isnt god such a bitch?

    “let’s remind him that we are still waiting for him to actually answer this. Why are you afraid to give an answer?
    Millions of people believed Sathya Sai Baba to be a god. He has many miracles attributed to him and, note, unlike Yahweh he was [supposedly] doing so until his recent death.
    So, messy, we have millions of people following someone who, in the present day, performs miracles. His followers claim that no-one has disproved his powers as being real.
    Hence, Sathya Sai Baba is way more powerful and relevant today that Yahweh. Messy, do you accept Sathya Sai Baba’s miracles as true? Yes, or no? If you don’t, tell us why.
    Also, why do you not become one of his disciples? After all, unlike the three-way god of the Christians, there is absolutely no doubt that Sathya Sai Baba physically existed in the modern day
    Now answer the question as asked. Not some diversion, even though we know that’s what you want to do.”
    repost

  127. on 30 Jun 2013 at 1:18 pm 127.The messenger said …

    126.Fluttershy, I already answered those questions in comments 124 and 125.

    You are stupid.

  128. on 30 Jun 2013 at 5:38 pm 128.Curmudgeon said …

    Fluttershy

    Why don’t you worship Sathya? If not him why are you not a Taoist? Taoism is a form of atheism. So why not join in?

    You have been asked this numerous times but have no answer it seems.

  129. on 30 Jun 2013 at 6:18 pm 129.alex said …

    “Taoism is a form of atheism.”

    you’ve been told many, motherfucking times, you dipshit. atheism is a non-belief in your bullshit god. some atheists believe in this and that, but what they believe in, is not the same as atheism.

  130. on 30 Jun 2013 at 7:18 pm 130.CurmudgeonAtheist Deception said …

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  131. on 30 Jun 2013 at 7:18 pm 131.Atheist Deception said …

    http://robertpriddy.wordpress.com

  132. on 30 Jun 2013 at 9:03 pm 132.DPK said …

    Curm… Think about it lad. When you come to the realization as to WHY Fluttershy doesn’t worship Sathya, then you will understand why she also doesn’t worship your Jesus god either.
    You’re on the brink of a revelation, keep thinking. Almost there.

  133. on 30 Jun 2013 at 9:55 pm 133.The messenger said …

    130.DPK, no answer?

    Typical.

  134. on 30 Jun 2013 at 10:51 pm 134.Curmudgeon said …

    DPk, think about it young lady. When you realize WHY I don’t accept atheism you will understand why I don’t worship Sathya.

    But to help you, isn’t his miracles there for you to see? He exists until recently, you stated you wanted proof. Why will not the proofs given by Sathya work for you?

    You’re on the brink of a revelation, keep thinking. Almost there. You claimed to be open minded. Was that claim not true?

    Oh, Fluttershy is a GUY DPK. I know, I understand the confusion there where a guy takes on the name of a pony. However, anyone just slightly observant would know.

  135. on 30 Jun 2013 at 11:27 pm 135.alex said …

    “When you realize WHY I don’t accept atheism you will understand why I don’t worship Sathya.”

    you are a dipshit. atheism does not equal Sathya, you fuckhead. you can’t understand that can’t you, but you do love the biblical foreskin shit? nobody is asking you to accept anything. atheists don’t believe in your bullshit and yet you insist on going around and around pointing out nonsensical, irrelevant shit.

    prove your god or your bullshit is confirmed, you asshole.

  136. on 01 Jul 2013 at 3:04 am 136.The messenger said …

    133.alex, you are asking him to except your lies.

  137. on 01 Jul 2013 at 3:05 am 137.The messenger said …

    133.alex, I have given you proof.

  138. on 01 Jul 2013 at 5:21 am 138.DPK said …

    on 30 Jun 2013 at 10:51 pm 128.Curmudgeon said …
    DPk, think about it young lady. When you realize WHY I don’t accept atheism you will understand why I don’t worship Sathya.

    Well the only reason you would not “accept” the idea that gods are imaginary would be if you had some proof that they do. But for some reason, you never present any.

    But to help you, isn’t his miracles there for you to see? He exists until recently, you stated you wanted proof. Why will not the proofs given by Sathya work for you?

    I’ve seen more convincing miracles from Lance Burton and David Blaine. Way more than I’ve seen from your Jesus god, and I KNOW they are not miracles… Don’t you?

    You’re on the brink of a revelation, keep thinking. Almost there. You claimed to be open minded. Was that claim not true?

    Dawkins once said you can be so open minded that your brains fall out. That is what apparently has happened to you. Why do you accept miracles described in ancient legends written by people who were at best, ignorant and unimaginably superstitious, yet you reject ones you can see for yourself on YouTube.

    Oh, Fluttershy is a GUY DPK. I know, I understand the confusion there where a guy takes on the name of a pony. However, anyone just slightly observant would know.

    Does it matter? I know your religion has a history of denigrating women, and calling someone a woman qualifies as an insult to you, but in this century, there is no shame in being either a man or woman, and if I mistakenly got fluttershy’s gender incorrect, I’m sure he or she would construe it as an insult, as you have.

    Now, are you going to give us any reason to believe that any of the silly claims you make about the existence of magical supernatural gods is actually true?
    Yeah, didn’t think so. Go back to being Ass now.

  139. on 01 Jul 2013 at 5:36 am 139.Anonymous said …

    “Yeah, didn’t think so. Go back to being Ass now”

    But isn’t it time for him to wear his Martin socks now?

  140. on 01 Jul 2013 at 7:07 am 140.The messenger said …

    136.DPK, tell me miss, could some random person, like lance button, create the world?

    Could he preform a miracle like the one that I listed in my previous comments?

    Tell me, how did the world come into existance unless someone created it?

    Tell me, do you agree that deadfred’s following statement is a lie?”(There were many varying eyewitness accounts, some claimed to see the sun move, some claimed to see various colours and others (believers and non-believers alike) who saw nothing at all.)”

    Tell me, do you agree that John De Marchi’s statement below disproves Fred’s statement listed above? “The most widely cited descriptions of the events reported at Fatima are taken from the writings of John De Marchi, an Italian Catholic priest and researcher. De Marchi spent seven years in Fátima, from 1943 to 1950, conducting original research and interviewing the principals at undisturbed length.[15] In The Immaculate Heart, published in 1952, De Marchi reports that, “[t]heir ranks (those present on 13 October) included believers and non-believers, pious old ladies and scoffing young men. Hundreds, from these mixed categories, have given formal testimony. Reports do vary; impressions are in minor details confused, but NONE TO OUR KNOWLAGE HAS DIRECTLY DENIED the visible prodigy of the sun.”[16]”

    Do you agree with Dr. Almeida Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University, that the “miricale of the sun” really did occur?

    Do you realize that even the atheists who witnessed the “miracle of the sun” did not deny that it happend?

    I AM WAITING FOR ANSWERS.

  141. on 01 Jul 2013 at 7:25 am 141.The messenger said …

    Fluttershy, and Anonomus, you are apparently stupid and blind.

    You two have asked me the same questions about Sathya sai Baba, over and over and over.

    I HAVE ANSWERED THEM COUNTLESS TIMES.

    HERE IS A LIST OF ALL THE TIMES THAT I ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS.

    Comment125

    Comment124

    Comment113

    Comment97

    Comment96

    Comment80

    Comment79

    YOU TWO MUST BE BLIND FOR NOT SEEING MY ANSWERS!!!!

  142. on 01 Jul 2013 at 7:56 am 142.Fluttershy said …

    “and if I mistakenly got fluttershy’s gender incorrect, I’m sure he or she would construe it as an insult, as you have.”

    Honestly i dont care ;D

    Anyway, on to the debating ;D

    “Fluttershy
    Why don’t you worship Sathya? If not him why are you not a Taoist? Taoism is a form of atheism. So why not join in?”

    Because their beliefs aren’t what i believe in?
    Sure they think your god is fake (and it is 9_9), but they also believe in shit that makes just as little sense…

    So…You gonna answer the questions now?

  143. on 01 Jul 2013 at 11:58 am 143.Curmudgeon said …

    “Because their beliefs aren’t what i believe in?”

    There you go Fluttershy. That I why I don’t follow Sathya. Sure, they think your atheism is BS (and it is)and they also believe in BS.

  144. on 01 Jul 2013 at 1:45 pm 144.Fluttershy said …

    So instead of stuff that is logical and makes scientific sense, you chose sky daddy and magic?

    Yeah, mate…
    -THAT- is crazy in my book…

    Also, offtopic, i am making a Tulpa (sentient being in my head that will be best companion ever).
    Some Theists claim they are demons, satan, etc. Care to explain?

  145. on 01 Jul 2013 at 1:54 pm 145.Curmudgeon said …

    No, but I wish you best with your friend.

  146. on 01 Jul 2013 at 2:04 pm 146.Curmudgeon said …

    I wish you the best with your other fairytale, atheism. I don’t have the faith and is totally illogical.

  147. on 01 Jul 2013 at 2:23 pm 147.DPK said …

    132.Fluttershy said …

    “and if I mistakenly got fluttershy’s gender incorrect, I’m sure he or she would construe it as an insult, as you have.”

    Honestly i dont care ;D

    Obviously I meant to write “he or she would NOT construe it as an insult, as you have…”

    I knew you wouldn’t care. I would have no idea if you were a man or woman, and it would make absolutely no difference to me, unlike Crum… who apparently thinks being thought of as a female is one of the greatest insults you can hurl… he uses it often and has done the same to me. Sorry Crum, I’m not offended by your stupidity. Amused, but not offended.

  148. on 01 Jul 2013 at 6:48 pm 148.The messenger said …

    126.Fluttershy, sex has only one purpose, reproduction.

    Gay couples cannot reproduce together.

    Therefore gay sex is an abomination because it causes lust and it fails to help reproduce humans.

    It is not discrimination, it is logic.

  149. on 01 Jul 2013 at 7:00 pm 149.The messenger said …

    on 01 Jul 2013 at 7:25 am 139.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    Fluttershy, and Anonomus, you are apparently stupid and blind.
    You two have asked me the same questions about Sathya sai Baba, over and over and over.
    I HAVE ANSWERED THEM COUNTLESS TIMES.
    HERE IS A LIST OF ALL THE TIMES THAT I ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS.
    Comment125
    Comment124
    Comment113
    Comment97
    Comment96
    Comment80
    Comment79
    YOU TWO MUST BE BLIND FOR NOT SEEING MY ANSWERS!!!!

  150. on 01 Jul 2013 at 8:38 pm 150.A said …

    I thought little girls named themselves after pink magical ponies? Is Butterfly a dude!!

    I adore woman. I have 3 very special ones in my life. They are liked pretty ponies when they were small. I see how Dippy thought Butterfly to be a gal.

  151. on 01 Jul 2013 at 11:48 pm 151.Fluttershy said …

    “No, but I wish you best with your friend.”
    Not only do you express any opinion of the question asked, you post something that the question didnt want…

    Although, thanks for the positive aspect of it ;D

  152. on 01 Jul 2013 at 11:49 pm 152.Fluttershy said …

    “Amused, but not offended.”
    Entertained and irritated here ;D

  153. on 01 Jul 2013 at 11:50 pm 153.Fluttershy said …

    So…
    Any theists here have any “Demon” or “Satan” comments to do with tulpae?
    i ponder what you think ;D

  154. on 02 Jul 2013 at 1:25 am 154.DPK said …

    Don’t let Ass’s inane rambelings irritate you, F.. Look at it this way, for someone to irritate me I would have to in some small way care about what they said or I’d.
    Assman has such a long and well documented reputation here of being a ompletely dishonest, dispecible, moronic idiot that no one takes a word he says seriously. That’s why the only way he can get affirmation is by posting under different names and pretending to be someone else. This is about the 5th time he has been caught doing it by forgetting which name he was supposed to reply under.
    I rather enjoy seeing him wriggle and it is fun to watch the depths to which he will sink in order to avoid an honest intellectual discussion about the reality of his god buddy. He’d rather make schoolyard taunts about another’s masculinity or call someone a lady, as if that were an insult, than present evidence for his imaginary god, which he never, ever, EVER does! Because he has none, and he knows full well he has none.
    He is like the village idiot. Every village has one, I suppose. He does do a great service to the atheist side in every argument though, so he does serve some purpose.

  155. on 02 Jul 2013 at 2:24 am 155.The messenger said …

    152.DPK, I proved that you are a complete liar on countless occasions.

    You are a hypocrite.

  156. on 02 Jul 2013 at 1:51 pm 156.Fluttershy said …

    I guess A is irony in physical form?
    Attempting to make theists look good, but instead shows how ridiculous they are XD

  157. on 02 Jul 2013 at 2:28 pm 157.DPK said …

    143.Fluttershy said …
    “I guess A is irony in physical form?
    Attempting to make theists look good, but instead shows how ridiculous they are XD”

    This is true. I don’t think anyone here has done more to discredit theistic, dogmatic reasoning than ASS. He’s our poster child. “This is your brain. This is your brain on religion. Questions?”

  158. on 02 Jul 2013 at 5:39 pm 158.Xenon said …

    This poster fluttershy is making up a Tulpa to be the best companion ever. He is looking for a name?

    Right, and theist have problems. You might name it “Help me” and hopefully someone will mate.

  159. on 02 Jul 2013 at 6:29 pm 159.DPK said …

    ” I don’t think anyone here has done more to discredit theistic, dogmatic reasoning than ASS. He’s our poster child.”

    Opps, forgot about Xenon. Been a while since you resurrected that sock puppet Ass, or should I say, Horatio?

    hahahaha… he is SOOOOO transparent.

  160. on 02 Jul 2013 at 8:50 pm 160.The messenger said …

    126.Fluttershy, sex has only one purpose, reproduction.
    Gay couples cannot reproduce together.
    Therefore gay sex is an abomination because it causes lust and it fails to help reproduce humans.
    It is not discrimination, it is logic.

  161. on 03 Jul 2013 at 12:39 am 161.40 Year Atheist said …

    Here is an intellectual challenge which all Atheists, being intellectual elites, will want to take. This will emphasize deductive abilities with empirical premises, the two main claims to fame that Atheists make.
    1. Prove the Validity of Reason, using Reason.

    2. Prove the Validity of Logic, using Logic.

    3. Prove the Validity of Science, using Science.
    Reminder, deduction looks like this:
    IF [ X = true ], THEN [ Object = Valid ].
    The objects above are reason, logic and science, so the premise X must demonstrate an impeccable, irrefutable case (X = true, incorrigibly) in order to prove the unquestionable validity of the objects.

    Next,
    4. Prove the Validity of Reason, using Logic and Science.

    5. Prove the Validity of Logic, using Reason and Science.

    6. Prove the Validity of Science, using Reason and Logic.

    7. Deduce Reason From Chemistry (using empirical premises).

    8. Deduce a Detailed Hierarchy of Values (Morals) From Atoms and Atomic Positions.

    9. Deduce Materialism From Materialism.

    10. Deduce Materialism From Reason.

    11. Deduce Materialism From Logic.

    12. Deduce Materialism From Science.

    13. Deduce Atheism using Reason.

    14. Deduce Atheism using Logic.

    15. Deduce Atheism using Science.
    Remember, a deduction of 15 would look like this:
    IF [ Reason = true ], Then [ Atheism = True ].
    But this requires that the premise, [ Reason = true ], must be proved valid, so some sort of valid argument must be made for the premise, the subpremises, the sub-subpremises, etc.

    The intellectual, thinking Atheist should enjoy this challenge.

  162. on 03 Jul 2013 at 12:49 am 162.Fluttershy said …

    “This poster fluttershy is making up a Tulpa to be the best companion ever. He is looking for a name?
    Right, and theist have problems. You might name it “Help me” and hopefully someone will mate.”

    Yes i am making a tulpa.
    I dont need a name, her name is “Alexis” (yes, it is a female)
    Please explain how a tulpa is a problem. being that i am merely making a sentient being.

  163. on 03 Jul 2013 at 2:19 am 163.Fluttershy said …

    “The intellectual, thinking Atheist should enjoy this challenge.”
    looks like a waste of time, I’d rather use my time to talk to Alexis…

  164. on 03 Jul 2013 at 2:43 am 164.alex said …

    Here is an idiot challenge which all xtians, being idiot morons, will want to take.

    why is that you morons dismiss the same proof offered up by theists of a different kind and yet you expect others to believe the same shit when offered by you?

  165. on 03 Jul 2013 at 1:02 pm 165.Fluttershy said …

    “126.Fluttershy, sex has only one purpose, reproduction.
    Gay couples cannot reproduce together.
    Therefore gay sex is an abomination because it causes lust and it fails to help reproduce humans.
    It is not discrimination, it is logic.”

    You know sex is also for pleasure, right?
    And for that matter, the world is already overpopulated, so honestly, sex for reproduction is useless now..

  166. on 03 Jul 2013 at 3:25 pm 166.DPK said …

    “126.Fluttershy, sex has only one purpose, reproduction.
    Gay couples cannot reproduce together.
    Therefore gay sex is an abomination because it causes lust…”
    Also, by this reasoning, an infertile hetero couple that cannot reproduce also would commit an abomination if they have sex.
    Yes, and music and art has no purpose whatsoever than to cause pleasure. Therefore listening to music and looking at art is an abomination because it causes pleasure with no other purpose. Eating food because it tastes good but is not necessary for survival… like french fries or ice cream, also, an abomination.

    Thanks for demonstrating so clearly messenger that “religious education causes insanity.” Nothing could make it any clearer.

  167. on 03 Jul 2013 at 7:34 pm 167.The messenger said …

    165.Fluttershy, list is like a drug, it causes a person to be distracted from the world around them, and it causes a constant desire for more.

    And it can cause horrible deceases.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease

  168. on 03 Jul 2013 at 8:00 pm 168.The messenger said …

    166.DPK, art is not a sin.

    Art does not distract us from our duties in life, it allows us to express our selves.

    Lust is a sin. It causes people to become didtacted from their daily jobs, and it causes jealousy.

    If a man or woman becomes lustful, they will attempt many unorthodox things in order to obtain sexual activities. They might find hookers, they might cheat on their spouses, and they might molest children.

    Lust also leads to death. It can cause someone to have a child, and it can lead that couple to have an abortion. Abortion is murder.

    Lust is an awful thing.

    Music does not cause jealousy, it does not cause any death, it does not cause a spouse to be unfaithful, and it does not cause anyone to molest children.
    Therefore music is not a sin.

    Music does serve a perpose. It causes joy in a good, ungrateful, peaceful way.

  169. on 03 Jul 2013 at 9:53 pm 169.Anonymous said …

    Messenger, it seems the moderation applied to you means many of your comments come out-of-sequence so we don’t always see them.

    Now, you said that miracles that don’t happen in the name of god must be caused by satin (sic). Help us out here.

    You are now saying that Satan? currently performs more miracles than either your god or Jesus. Why would Satan do this? Doesn’t that make Satan more powerful and acting more in the interest of mankind than your god. Right?

    Second, what is your proof that Satan exists and isn’t just mythology?

    Third, a miracle is something that is attributed to the supernatural; there is nothing in the definition of which agent performs it. So your answer evades the question.

    It seems, though, that you accept that those “miracles” ascribed to Sathya Sai Baba really occured but you now are quibbling as to who caused them. Correct?

  170. on 03 Jul 2013 at 11:02 pm 170.A said …

    “IF [ X = true ], THEN [ Object = Valid ]”

    40 YA,

    Another great challenge but no atheist here is interested in discussions requiring thought, logic or reason. They are only atheists, thought, logic and reason dies not apply to them as a group any more than Taoism.

    I do like the concepts.

  171. on 03 Jul 2013 at 11:14 pm 171.alex said …

    “They are only atheists…”

    they are not interested in the bullshit that the xtian assholes keeps flinging about.

    “but no atheist here is interested in discussions requiring thought, logic or reason.”

    maybe so, but all atheists here are interested in your god proof. let’s hear it. chirp, chirp?

  172. on 03 Jul 2013 at 11:48 pm 172.Fluttershy said …

    “Another great challenge but no atheist here is interested in discussions requiring thought, logic or reason.”

    I disagree, all we use is logic, thought and reason.
    You are too ignorant to see that.

    “They are only atheists, thought, logic and reason dies not apply to them as a group any more than Taoism.”

    First off, you cant generalise atheists, excluding how they dont believe in god.
    Secondly, logic, reason and thought applies to anyone that it applies to…

  173. on 04 Jul 2013 at 1:24 am 173.The messenger said …

    166.DPK, art is not a sin.
    Art does not distract us from our duties in life, it allows us to express our selves.
    Lust is a sin. It causes people to become didtacted from their daily jobs, and it causes jealousy.
    If a man or woman becomes lustful, they will attempt many unorthodox things in order to obtain sexual activities. They might find hookers, they might cheat on their spouses, and they might molest children.
    Lust also leads to death. It can cause someone to have a child, and it can lead that couple to have an abortion. Abortion is murder.
    Lust is an awful thing.
    Music does not cause jealousy, it does not cause any death, it does not cause a spouse to be unfaithful, and it does not cause anyone to molest children.
    Therefore music is not a sin.
    Music does serve a perpose. It causes joy in a good, unhateful, peaceful way.

  174. on 04 Jul 2013 at 1:41 am 174.DPK said …

    “IF [ X = true ], THEN [ Object = Valid ]”
    40 YA,
    I do like the concepts.

    Hahahahaha…. Sure you do Ass. Tell you what, lets see you use the process 40yr laid out to logically prove theism.
    Go ahead, I’m gonna get another beer. This should be really, really funny!

  175. on 04 Jul 2013 at 4:10 am 175.The messenger said …

    169.Anonymous, first of all GOD is Jesus.

    Satan causes supernatural events in order to corrupt people, and to bring them away from GOD and his teachings.

    GOD shows his power simply by giving us life. On occation he will preform events like “the miricale of the sun”.

    GOD acts more in the interest of mankind than anyone else. He created us, he provides many miracles for mankind, he gave us the greatest moral guide in this world, and he died for us.

    Satan is only interested in destroying mankind. He tempts us with lust, hate, greed, and jealousy.

    Ever since we were created, satan has been trying to destroy us. He corrupts us with hate, thus causing war. He tempts us with greed, thus causing us to forget what is really important in life( family, friends, GOD, and love ).

    Satan has infected so many people with hate. Espeasally my people. The Irish.

    He tempted the prostestant Irish with hate, thus causing them discriminate against the Catholic Irish. The Protestants took the Catholic’s land, rights, money, and homes. Then satan tempted the catholic Irish with hate, thus causing them to want revenge.
    Satan tempted the British with greed, thus causing them to be very stingy with their shipments of good food, thus causing the potato famine, this killing many of my people.

    I have given you proof of GOD, therefore satan must also be real because GOD has spoken of him.

    Lastly, allow me to refraise my miracle statement. I believe that the supernatural events that satan caused did occur. I do not recodnize them as coming from GOD because there is only one GOD, and he is Jesus.

    Jesus is the one and only GOD, therefore those others supernatural events could not have come from GOD.

    I know that Jesus is GOD because of the miracles that he has preformd, secondly because his messages(the bible)are the only perfect moral guide in the world.

  176. on 04 Jul 2013 at 4:16 am 176.The messenger said …

    136.DPK, tell me miss, could some random person, like lance button, create the world?
    Could he preform a miracle like the one that I listed in my previous comments?
    Tell me, how did the world come into existance unless someone created it?
    Tell me, do you agree that deadfred’s following statement is a lie?”(There were many varying eyewitness accounts, some claimed to see the sun move, some claimed to see various colours and others (believers and non-believers alike) who saw nothing at all.)”
    Tell me, do you agree that John De Marchi’s statement below disproves Fred’s statement listed above? “The most widely cited descriptions of the events reported at Fatima are taken from the writings of John De Marchi, an Italian Catholic priest and researcher. De Marchi spent seven years in Fátima, from 1943 to 1950, conducting original research and interviewing the principals at undisturbed length.[15] In The Immaculate Heart, published in 1952, De Marchi reports that, “[t]heir ranks (those present on 13 October) included believers and non-believers, pious old ladies and scoffing young men. Hundreds, from these mixed categories, have given formal testimony. Reports do vary; impressions are in minor details confused, but NONE TO OUR KNOWLAGE HAS DIRECTLY DENIED the visible prodigy of the sun.”[16]”
    Do you agree with Dr. Almeida Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University, that the “miricale of the sun” really did occur?
    Do you realize that even the atheists who witnessed the “miracle of the sun” did not deny that it happend?
    I AM WAITING FOR ANSWERS.

  177. on 04 Jul 2013 at 4:38 am 177.Anonymous said …

    It’s sad, but 40Yasshole also demonstrates the insanity of religious thinking. Strip away all of his verbal sleight of hand, straw man arguments, whacky definitions, and general bollocks, here’s what you are left with:

    Create straw man definition of atheism [a]
    Assert, absent evidence, the existence of [x]
    Define [x] as being unprovable by [y]
    Demand atheists disprove [x] using [y] whilst adhering to (straw man) position [a]
    Ban anyone from his blog who asks him to prove existence of [x], points out any of his fallacies, or corrects him on [a]
    Therefore gods exists and atheists are [insert vilification here]

    What a disingenuous, deceitful, lying, asshole.

  178. on 04 Jul 2013 at 5:22 am 178.The messenger said …

    58.DPK, you mentioned that this “Hindu” miracle was recorded.

    I asked you where this recordeding is located so that I may see it for my self, but you have yet to answer any of my questions, including the ones within comment 176.

  179. on 04 Jul 2013 at 7:10 am 179.Fluttershy said …

    wait…
    that idiot has a blog O.o

  180. on 04 Jul 2013 at 9:56 am 180.freddies_dead said …

    140.The messenger said …

    Tell me, do you agree that deadfred’s following statement is a lie?”(There were many varying eyewitness accounts, some claimed to see the sun move, some claimed to see various colours and others (believers and non-believers alike) who saw nothing at all.)”

    So you have a signed witness statement (with corroborative evidence that they’re not fakes) from every one of those 70k people and, each and every one of those statements share a claim to have witnessed the same thing?

    Tell me, do you agree that John De Marchi’s statement below disproves Fred’s statement listed above? “The most widely cited descriptions of the events reported at Fatima are taken from the writings of John De Marchi, an Italian Catholic priest and researcher.

    An Italian Catholic priest eh? Colour me unsurprised that he decided the miracle was real.

    De Marchi spent seven years in Fátima, from 1943 to 1950, conducting original research and interviewing the principals at undisturbed length.[15] In The Immaculate Heart, published in 1952, De Marchi reports that, “[t]heir ranks (those present on 13 October) included believers and non-believers, pious old ladies and scoffing young men. Hundreds, from these mixed categories, have given formal testimony. Reports do vary; impressions are in minor details confused, but NONE TO OUR KNOWLAGE HAS DIRECTLY DENIED the visible prodigy of the sun.”[16]”

    And just how does that statement “disprove” what I said about people being there who saw nothing? De Marchi only says he has no knowledge of anyone saying they saw nothing. It seems that De Marchi is still more intellectually honest than you, refusing to make the claim that every single person who was there saw the same thing.

    If you just scroll down that wiki article a bit further you’ll find a section titled “Critical evaluation of the event” where Professor Auguste Meessen from the Institute of Physics at the Catholic University of Leuven says sun miracles are optical effects caused by prolonged staring at the sun. Joe Nickell (a noted skeptical investigator) suggests a similar reason.

    Most importantly you will find the line not all witnesses reported seeing the sun “dance”. Some people only saw the radiant colors. Others, including some believers, saw nothing at all which is credited as being from a book by a Hungarian Benedictine priest by the name of Stanley L. Jaki.

    Do you agree with Dr. Almeida Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University, that the “miricale of the sun” really did occur?

    How do we know Dr. Almeida Garrett even exists. Trying to find any other reference to such a person except for when they are waxing lyrical about the fatima hoax is coming up empty. Do you have a link to something that Dr Garrett did that wasn’t related to the fatima hoax?

    Do you realize that even the atheists who witnessed the “miracle of the sun” did not deny that it happend?

    Atheists are people, they’re subject to optical illusions just as much as theists, this isn’t persuasive.

    I AM WAITING FOR ANSWERS.

    You’ve been given answers. Now why should we believe your claim about the fatima hoax any more than we should believe this guys claim?

  181. on 04 Jul 2013 at 9:56 am 181.freddies_dead said …

    148. (and again at 160) The messenger said …

    126.Fluttershy, sex has only one purpose, reproduction.

    You’ve forgotten pleasure, comfort, excitement.

    Gay couples cannot reproduce together.

    Therefore gay sex is an abomination because it causes lust and it fails to help reproduce humans.

    Sterile straight couples cannot reproduce either, is their lovemaking an abomination too?

    It is not discrimination, it is logic.

    It is bigotry, plain and simple.

  182. on 04 Jul 2013 at 10:11 am 182.Fluttershy said …

    “Therefore gay sex is an abomination because it causes lust and it fails to help reproduce humans.”

    Me eating a chocolate sundae with bananas and peanuts for reasons other than sustenance is also an abomination? yes? no?

  183. on 04 Jul 2013 at 1:37 pm 183.A said …

    “The intellectual, thinking Atheist should enjoy this challenge”

    40 I guess we don’ have that type of atheists. We have atheists who make up girlfriends named Alexis!

    Hahahaha

  184. on 04 Jul 2013 at 2:01 pm 184.The messenger said …

    180.freddies_dead, yes it would be a sin. Lust is bad.

  185. on 04 Jul 2013 at 2:05 pm 185.Fluttershy said …

    What is wrong with the name “Alexis”?

    And for that matter, what is your beef with tulpae? Is it the fact that i am making a sentient being, and yet dont believe that only a god can make sentient beings?

    Sorry for being off topic, but you are simply being an “Ass”, Alexis will be my companion, not girlfriend, heck, she isnt even human.

    On topic mode activate.

    Nice one with the diversion.
    How does one believe that teaching children (who like all children believe in stuff that adults tell them) incorrect information as fact, not insane?
    surely you cannot squirm out of this question…

  186. on 04 Jul 2013 at 2:07 pm 186.Fluttershy said …

    HA

    Just realised the humor of my tulpa….(Alexis)

    Im making a sentient being…
    Something that “god” hasnt done.
    Why?, because he doesnt exist XD

  187. on 04 Jul 2013 at 3:34 pm 187.The messenger said …

    181.Fluttershy, it is not bigotry. No one can have sex unless it is for reproduction.

    That rule applies to everyone, there it is not discrimination.

  188. on 05 Jul 2013 at 12:29 am 188.The messenger said …

    180.freddies_dead, there have been no records of any of the witnesses denying that this miracle occurred. Therefore, due to the fact listed above, there are no witnesses who denied this miracle.

    John de Marchi is bound by the laws of Jesus, “thou shall not lie”, therefore he is would not lie about this.

    The fact that no one denied that this event occurred, further supports the possibility that it did happen.

    It was reported to have been cloudy that day, and therefore eliminates the possibility of stairing at the sun as the reason for the miracle, due to the fact that the sun was covers up for most of that time.

    Tell me, does it sound a bit ridiculous that every person in that crowd was effected by this “starring at the sun theory”? I am certain that not every single person there was starring at the sun. It seems highly unlikely for that to have been the cause of this event.

    Here is an article written by Dr. Garrot, thus proving her existance.

    The Miracle of the Sun

    An Eyewitness Account by Dr. José Maria de Almeida Garrett, professor at the Faculty of Sciences of Coimbra, Portugal

    “It must have been 1:30 p.m when there arose, at the exact spot where the children were, a column of smoke, thin, fine and bluish, which extended up to perhaps two meters above their heads, and evaporated at that height. This phenomenon, perfectly visible to the naked eye, lasted for a few seconds. Not having noted how long it had lasted, I cannot say whether it was more or less than a minute. The smoke dissipated abruptly, and after some time, it came back to occur a second time, then a third time
    “The sky, which had been overcast all day, suddenly cleared; the rain stopped and it looked as if the sun were about to fill with light the countryside that the wintery morning had made so gloomy. I was looking at the spot of the apparitions in a serene, if cold, expectation of something happening and with diminishing curiosity because a long time had passed without anything to excite my attention. The sun, a few moments before, had broken through the thick layer of clouds which hid it and now shone clearly and intensely.
    “Suddenly I heard the uproar of thousands of voices, and I saw the whole multitude spread out in that vast space at my feet…turn their backs to that spot where, until then, all their expectations had been focused, and look at the sun on the other side. I turned around, too, toward the point commanding their gaze and I could see the sun, like a very clear disc, with its sharp edge, which gleamed without hurting the sight. It could not be confused with the sun seen through a fog (there was no fog at that moment), for it was neither veiled nor dim. At Fatima, it kept its light and heat, and stood out clearly in the sky, with a sharp edge, like a large gaming table. The most astonishing thing was to be able to stare at the solar disc for a long time, brilliant with light and heat, without hurting the eyes or damaging the retina. [During this time], the sun’s disc did not remain immobile, it had a giddy motion, [but] not like the twinkling of a star in all its brilliance for it spun round upon itself in a mad whirl.
    “During the solar phenomenon, which I have just described, there were also changes of color in the atmosphere. Looking at the sun, I noticed that everything was becoming darkened. I looked first at the nearest objects and then extended my glance further afield as far as the horizon. I saw everything had assumed an amethyst color. Objects around me, the sky and the atmosphere, were of the same color. Everything both near and far had changed, taking on the color of old yellow damask. People looked as if they were suffering from jaundice and I recall a sensation of amusement at seeing them look so ugly and unattractive. My own hand was the same color.
    “Then, suddenly, one heard a clamor, a cry of anguish breaking from all the people. The sun, whirling wildly, seemed all at once to loosen itself from the firmament and, blood red, advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge and fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was truly terrible.
    “All the phenomena which I have described were observed by me in a calm and serene state of mind without any emotional disturbance. It is for others to interpret and explain them. Finally, I must declare that never, before or after October 13 [1917], have I observed similar atmospheric or solar phenomena.”
    Professor Almeida Garrett’s full account may be found in Novos Documentos de Fatima (Loyala editions, San Paulo, 1984)

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  189. on 05 Jul 2013 at 1:55 am 189.Fluttershy said …

    “180.freddies_dead, yes it would be a sin. Lust is bad.”

    I love how messengers posts are moderated, so it takes about 2 days for it too pass, and then his ridiculous posts screw up the order of things…

    Lust is bad?
    No, lust is normal, human, perfectly acceptable.

    Trying to stop lust is like trying to stop hunger, emotions, pain, etc.

    Not much of a surprise that priests rape little boys, the poor guys had all their lust bottled up, until the cork popped XD.

  190. on 05 Jul 2013 at 3:13 am 190.alex said …

    “I love how messengers posts are moderated…”

    this blog looks like wordpress and it’s got an idiot detector, hence the messenger moderation. keeps the self appointed bible translator from totally fucking up this place.

  191. on 05 Jul 2013 at 4:56 am 191.Anonymous said …

    One of the trolls said:

    “I AM WAITING FOR ANSWERS”

    Then fuck-off to a website which has the purpose of atheists answering theists questions, then.

    This site is for you theists to explain away your ridiculous beliefs. We get to ask the questions, your role here is to answer them. You don’t have to like it, but you don’t have question-asking privileges here. So just fuck off if that’s not to your satisfaction.

    Oh, and change your socks, would you please?

  192. on 05 Jul 2013 at 5:06 am 192.The messenger said …

    189.Fluttershy, lust is a sin. It causes people to become distracted from their daily jobs, and it causes jealousy.
    If a man or woman becomes lustful, they will attempt many unorthodox things in order to obtain sexual pleasure. They might find hookers, they might cheat on their spouses, and they might molest children.
    Lust also leads to death. It can cause someone to have a child, and it can lead that couple to have an abortion. Abortion is murder.
    Lust is an awful thing.

    Resisting lust is very easy. Every time that you start to think about lustful things, think about the suffering that GOD went through for us and mabe you will find the will power to resist it.

    GOD overcame great pain for us. Compaired to what GOD overcame, overcoming lust should be extremely EASY.

    P.S. those priests who molested those children were not true Christians. They broke the laws of GOD, and are therefore nolonger followers of GOD. They abandoned GOD.

  193. on 05 Jul 2013 at 7:56 am 193.Fluttershy said …

    Messenger said
    “Tell me, how did the world come into existance unless someone created it?”

    Tell me how it came into existence by a creator and then come back to us.

    “Could he preform a miracle like the one that I listed in my previous comments?”

    I am fairly certain that staring into the sun isn’t good for you…that, and it messes up your optic nerves and shit…
    Not a surprise that people saw crazy shit.

    “Lust also leads to death. It can cause someone to have a child, and it can lead that couple to have an abortion. Abortion is murder.”

    You idiot, a child who hasn’t been born isn’t even sentient, are you saying that killing an ant or fish is also murder? In that case, i would owe several billion years worth of jail time.

    “He (satan) corrupts us with hate, thus causing war.”

    The irony, most war is created due to religion…

    “I have given you proof of GOD, therefore satan must also be real because GOD has spoken of him.”

    You have done no such thing.

    “If a man or woman becomes lustful, they will attempt many unorthodox things in order to obtain sexual activities. They might find hookers, they might cheat on their spouses, and they might molest children.”

    If the person already has a relationship with someone, they wont cheat on them…because…you know…they already have someone to have sex with, etc.

    “And it can cause horrible deceases.*insert wikipedia link*”

    No, sex causes STD’s. Thats why they are called “sexually” transmitted diseases. Lust is perfectly normal, why are you incapable of realising that?
    (I would assume the brainwashing)

  194. on 05 Jul 2013 at 9:47 am 194.freddies_dead said …

    184.The messenger said …

    180.freddies_dead, yes it would be a sin. Lust is bad.
    Who said anything about lust?

    We’re talking about a heterosexual, married couple who may not even know that they’re unable to conceive and you’ve got them burning for all eternity for doing nothing more than carrying out their part in your God’s plan.

    He did, in your worldview, create them with the express purpose of falling in love, getting married and failing to produce children because He had decided that’s what would happen. He then gets to torture them for all eternity for not producing children even though they had no choice in the matter.

    Your God really would be a complete douchebag if He existed.

  195. on 05 Jul 2013 at 10:35 am 195.Fluttershy said …

    Good point….

    Messenger, is two heterosexual people having sex, yet failing to have kids due to lack of fertility a sin?
    Or for that matter, what about condoms? the pill, etc? Are they sins?

  196. on 05 Jul 2013 at 10:37 am 196.Fluttershy said …

    Or for that matter.

    Why does your god “set up” people to go to hell?
    I mean, he makes people gay on purpose, AND makes them have sex.
    Is God merely an asshole, or is he something far worse?

  197. on 05 Jul 2013 at 1:03 pm 197.alex said …

    ‘I mean, he makes people gay on purpose, AND makes them have sex.”

    no, he don’t. gay people have choices. just like retards, blacks, poor people and tribesman. retards have a choice NOT to be mental. black people, if they pray hard enough, can be white. poor people just need to work harder and pick smart lottery numbers instead of the random shit the machine prints out. tribesman should have choiced to be born in the good ole u.s.a.

    see this shit? if messenger uttered these total bullshit, i bet not a single xtian motherfucker would say anything. if i said ALL atheists believe that ufos populated this planet, “bullshit” would be forthcoming.

    so, until you got some proof for that religious shit you’re teaching, insanity it stays.

  198. on 05 Jul 2013 at 4:19 pm 198.The messenger said …

    193.Fluttershy, It was reported to have been cloudy that day, and therefore eliminates the possibility of stairing at the sun as the reason for the miracle, due to the fact that the sun was covers up for most of that time.

    Furthermore, does it sound a bit ridiculous that every person in that crowd was effected by this “starring at the sun theory”? I am certain that not every single person there was starring at the sun. It seems highly unlikely for that to have been the cause of this event.

    Whether or not the child is out of the mother is irrelivent. It is still a living human being with a soul. The parrents have no right to decide whether it lives or dies.

    Killing an unborn child is nothing like killing a fish. A fish cannot feel any emotion, and it does not have the same intelligence capability as a human. And lastly a fish does not have a soul. It is not murder to kill a fish and eat it.

    Most wars are not caused by religion, they are caused by people who are greedy for land. Napolian started wars because he wanted more land. Henry the 8th started wars because he wanted more land. The Muslims started the crusades because they wanted to steal land from the Byzantine empire. The Catholics fought back because they were political allies of the Byzantine empire. World war 1 was caused by Germany attacking other counties. World war 2 was stated because hitler wanted more land( aka the world ). The Vietnam conflict was started unordered to stop communism. The palistanian Israeli wars were started because of Arab land greed, and palistanian suiside boomers who murderd incident Israeli citizens, and many Israeli school kids in the Avivim school bus massacre, the Ma’alot massacre, the Savoy Hotel Attack, Lod Airport massacre, the Kiryat Shmona massacre, the Munich massacre, the Coastal Road massacre, and the 1974 Nahariya attack.

    Wars are not caused by religion. They are caused by greed of power, land, and hate.

  199. on 05 Jul 2013 at 4:26 pm 199.The messenger said …

    193.Fluttershy, It was reported to have been cloudy that day, and therefore eliminates the possibility of stairing at the sun as the reason for the miracle, due to the fact that the sun was covers up for most of that time.
    Furthermore, does it sound a bit ridiculous that every person in that crowd was effected by this “starring at the sun theory”? I am certain that not every single person there was starring at the sun. It seems highly unlikely for that to have been the cause of this event.
    Whether or not the child is out of the mother is irrelivent. It is still a living human being with a soul. The parrents have no right to decide whether it lives or dies.
    Killing an unborn child is nothing like killing a fish. A fish cannot feel any emotion, and it does not have the same intelligence capability as a human. And lastly a fish does not have a soul. It is not murder to kill a fish and eat it.
    Most wars are not caused by religion, they are caused by people who are greedy for land. Napolian started wars because he wanted more land. Henry the 8th started wars because he wanted more land. The Muslims started the crusades because they wanted to steel land from the Byzantine empire. The Catholics fought back because they were political allies of the Byzantine empire. World war 1 was caused by Germany attacking other counties. World war 2 was stated because hitler wanted more land( aka the world ). The Vietnam conflict was started in order to stop communism. The palistanian Israeli wars were started because of Arab land greed, and palistanians who murderd innocent Israeli citizens, and many Israeli school kids in the Avivim school bus massacre, the Ma’alot massacre, the Savoy Hotel Attack, Lod Airport massacre, the Kiryat Shmona massacre, the Munich massacre, the Coastal Road massacre, and the 1974 Nahariya attack.
    Wars are not caused by religion. They are caused by greed of power, land, and hate.

  200. on 05 Jul 2013 at 4:43 pm 200.The messenger said …

    193.Fluttershy, if your theory regarding married couples(If the person already has a relationship with someone, they wont cheat on them…because…you know…they already have someone to have sex with, etc.) is true then why do so many husbands and wifes in the world commit adultery.

    Here are some examples of adultery occurring.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/11/tiger-woods-statement-adm_n_389457.html

    Michael Rubin: Mel Gibson: Adultery and Wedlock.

    Adultery in the Military – US Military – About.com

    I think I have made my point.

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