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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 07 Jun 2013 12:42 am

Brainwashing is an important part of religious insanity

A sobering look at religious brainwashing:

5 Ways to Inspire Your Teenagers to Share the Gospel

As the leader of a ministry called Dare 2 Share, an organization that annually equips tens of thousands of teens to evangelize, I am in the motivation business. I have to be. If a clinical approach to evangelism were enough to motivate teenagers we could just do a video-based training series for youth groups and leave it at that. But it takes way more to motivate teens to actually go beyond talking about evangelism to actually doing it.

How might you do that? One approach is to fill a teen’s brain with superstitious nonsense, like this:

4. Talk about hell.

There I said it. Teenagers need to be reminded of what’s at stake for those who die without Christ. In a very real way, those who don’t know Jesus are unknowingly headed 100 mph at a cliff that leads to everlasting destruction. Our job as caring Christians is to jerk the steering wheel…and to get our teens to do the same with their friends.

Paul put it this way in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, “He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”

“Punished with everlasting destruction.” Isn’t that great? So the teen evangelist’s message is, “come worship a being who tortures people for eternity!” Why would ANYONE listen to a message like that? Why worship a torturer? Such is the insanity of religion.

307 Responses to “Brainwashing is an important part of religious insanity”

  1. on 16 Jun 2013 at 7:27 pm 1.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    Wait! Wait! I’m having a flashback

    Wow, dude, that must of been some trip you were on. Taking those big pulls of the bong and dropping all that acid at once. You were quite the paaaaarty animal!!!!

    It takes courage and strength to overcome the brainwashing

    Yep, sure does. You used to be fucked up on drugs, now you’re just fucked up on religion. Did you complete the program? You’re better now?

    Time for the followers to come back with mindless talking points and continue with zero answers.

    Yeah, I noticed it too. The Theist Collective has been completely silent. Are you the Grande Poobah of the clan?

    Castbound, please forgive yourself for that epic failure on the “father of the human genome” thing. Maybe post something fresh and pithy; “a” is just droning on with his incessantly monotonous dialog. Don’t tell me you haven’t noticed also.

  2. on 16 Jun 2013 at 8:15 pm 2.The messenger said …

    on 16 Jun 2013 at 3:32 am 191.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    189.Anonymous, it is ok to be gay, it is not ok to have gay sex.
    Christianity includes the Torah(Jewish law), the Hebrew bible(the complete Old Testament), and the writings of the mark, Jude, paul(aka Saul), James, Peter, Luke, Matthew, and John.
    If a wife is cheating on he husband he can divorce her.
    If a man cheats on his wife then she can divorce him.
    Using birth control is a sin because it murders an unborn human being.
    Martian Luther is the reason that there are so many different Christian churches because he started the Protestant reformation.
    GOD wants us to go to the doctors.
    Females should not be Preist. The role of Wemon in the church is to help the poor and help raise money and make cloths for the poor and sick people of the world. The role of men in the church is to preach the word of GOD to all people(including Thomas). Some of these church roles are shared by both genders, but the role of preaching the word of GOD is the jod of the male gender in the church.
    GOD only punishes bad people, and hell is only temporary.
    Atheists can go to heaven if they are truly kind, forgiving, compassionate, humble people.

  3. on 16 Jun 2013 at 8:17 pm 3.Martin said …

    “Why would ANYONE listen to a message like that? Why worship a torturer?”

    Let’s look at the logic of the atheist mentality here.

    1.The verse says the unbeliever will be punished

    2.The atheist decides this is torture (not in the text)

    3.The atheist has decided they are “good”.

    4.The atheists decides not to believe

    5.The atheist will face the punishment for sin.

    Here is the parallel.

    1.The gun owner says don’t break in my house or I will shoot you

    2.The atheist decides not to believe what has been warned.

    3.The atheist decides they are “good” and deserve the owner’s property

    4.The atheists breaks in anyhow

    5.The atheist faces the punishment and is shot.

    The evangelist is actually the caring one for warning against a punishment he/she believes is valid. This is the logical thing to do.

  4. on 16 Jun 2013 at 8:28 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    Martin, Did “a” allow you an entry?

    1.The verse says the unbeliever will be punished

    That would mean that Mahatma Gandhi is roasting in the fires of (((HELL))) for being a peace loving Hindu. And it’s entirely possible that Hitler, a catholic, is basking in the eternal LOVE of the good lord. I say POSSIBLE only because YOU don’t know which christians are bound for (((HELL))) and which are going to Heaven. Phelps Baptists, where, in YOUR OPINION, are they headed? Up or Down? What about Benny Hinn? Jimmy Swaggart? The Pope? Jim and Tammy Faye Baker? David Koresh?

    I’ll make it easy: Are they all heaven bound or not? In your opinion, of course.

  5. on 16 Jun 2013 at 9:54 pm 5.alex said …

    here’s marteen, with his impeccable logic. all atheists are full of shit, therefore marteen’s belief in a bullshit bible is justified! he makes no excuses for the bible because it is the word of god and therefore infallible, unlike the atheists. what a fucken moron. let’s look at the logic…. get the fuck out of here, asshole.

  6. on 16 Jun 2013 at 10:08 pm 6.Anonymous said …

    So, Martin pops up with his usual strawman.

    Martin, you have *STILL* to prove to us that you can construct a logical argument. Until you do so, your strawman analysis are just that. Nonsense.

    So, here’s the challenge that scares you shitless.

    Prove, using logic, the existence of your god. If you can’t do that, then feel free to prove any god of your choosing but you must name it.

    Can’t do it? The stop offering your “logic” because you clearly don’t understand the subject.

    As a reminder, you *also* dodged and avoiding the outstanding questions. So, for “a” and Martin, here are the questions you are still on the hook to answer.

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?

    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?

    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?

    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?

    Is using birth control a sin?

    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?

    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?

    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? …
    Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?

    Is it ok to be gay?

    Also, Martin, tell us why *you* worship the god that you do and show us it in terms of a formal logical proof. In other word, if you are going to talk the talk, then walk the walk or shut the fuck up.

  7. on 17 Jun 2013 at 12:27 am 7.alex said …

    oh what’s that sound? ..the gnashing of teeth and the moans of persecution. what morons! they days of righteous, entitled, dick down the throat of the entire populace is coming to an end, starting with this blog. you doubt? how’s creationism coming along? headway? universal ban on gay marriages? how about revoking women’s rights? prayer in public schools? surely slavery is coming back? for every biblical euphemism cited, the bible is slowly reduced to its obvious bullshit state until the entire heap of foolishness is fully exposed and undeniable.

    oh wait. hitler was an atheist. cro-magnon man was an atheist. blather, blather….you fuckers might be brainwashed, but the red pill is out. assholes.

  8. on 17 Jun 2013 at 1:30 am 8.Curmudgeon said …

    “Being free of absolutes is not a comforting thought for those who can and have seen the absolutes-free reign of Atheist governments in the 20th Century”

    40YA,

    There is no more fearful concept than that. Imagine guys like dpk, alex and anony having control of people. Very good analysis of the dangers found in the atheist mindset. We all need to keep that in mind as this regime continues to rip away freedom.

  9. on 17 Jun 2013 at 1:44 am 9.alex said …

    “Imagine guys like dpk, alex and anony having control of people.”

    heh, heh. scared of a nonexistent diabolical, atheist plot. your predictable fright goes right in line with your brainwashed hell aversion, doesn’t it?

    “There is no more fearful concept than that.”

    death, motherfucker. deep down, despite your brainwashing, you know it’s the end and you’re sad because so many little boys and so little time.

  10. on 17 Jun 2013 at 3:16 am 10.The messenger said …

    204.Anonymous, Gandhi is most Lilly not in hell, but in purgatory.

    Only people like hitler and Stalin are sent to hell. Gandhi’s punishment is very small, and Gandhi will go to heaven way before hitler and Stalin pay off there sentence.

  11. on 17 Jun 2013 at 3:17 am 11.The messenger said …

    204.Anonymous, Gandhi is most likely not in hell, but in purgatory.
    Only people like hitler and Stalin are sent to hell. Gandhi’s punishment is very small, and Gandhi will go to heaven way before hitler and Stalin pay off there sentence.

  12. on 17 Jun 2013 at 3:20 am 12.Anonymous said …

    It’s astonishing to see the naivety with which Curmudgeon, Martin, A, the 40Yahole and others proudly portray the results of their religious indoctrination. It seems that they are blissfully unaware as to how brainwashed they really are. It’s almost cute.

    As a believer, Curmudgeon et al, have been indoctrinated with the mantra that believing nonsense is a good thing. In fact, the more ridiculous the things that they believe, the more they pat themselves on the back. And, face it, it’s hard to find something more ridiculous that the belief that your invisible best friend is a god who created the universe, then sacrificed himself to himself to atone to himself, and that all of mankind is eternally grateful for this nonsensical act.

    What they are showing here is that during the years of brainwashing they’ve learned not to think for themselves and not to question their indoctrination. However, faced with having to actually provide answers and to back them up with logic and facts, the Christian ends up in the predicament Martin was in recently. Remember, he said he wouldn’t answer our questions because we’d laugh at [the inadequacies of] his answers.

    Now, like all good cults the member is trained with how to deal with the cognitive dissonance associated with such events. Typically it involves a way out that avoids thinking about the problem.

    In this case we see how easily Curmudgeon reverts to true Christian form and shows typical Christian xenophobia. Not only that, be he does what Christians have long been known for during the ages, he launches a preemptive attacks on his perceived enemy. Christianity, in the end, is a death cult and a religion of hate. Sometimes I find it hard to consider which religion is the most hateful – Islam or Christianity? It’s a tough call.

    Finally, as a reminder, here’s the questions for the theists.

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?

    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?

    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?

    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?

    Is using birth control a sin?

    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?

    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?

    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? …
    Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?

    Is it ok to be gay?

    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion

    Also, especially for Martin. Provide formal logical proof for the existence of your god. Explain, using a logical proof, why you worship the god that you do.

  13. on 17 Jun 2013 at 10:33 am 13.A said …

    “However, faced with having to actually provide answers and to back them up with logic and facts”

    Will you now do this with ToE, or will you continue to show your brainwashing Mousey?

    Mousey, show us how DNA evolved to be the complex set of code it is today. Remember, to not be brainwashed you need to provide facts and logic.

    History says Mousey will not and quickly AGAIN, change the subject.

    LOL, pierced with your own sword!

  14. on 17 Jun 2013 at 10:36 am 14.A said …

    Mousey, when that has been completed. Please show us the process you chose to accept your flavor of atheism. Why not Taoism, Jain, Raelian, Buddhism or variants of Hinduism?

    Again, history shows there will be no answer forthcoming and a quick change of the subject and alex ranting like a madman! LOL!!!

  15. on 17 Jun 2013 at 11:58 am 15.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    Please show us the process you chose to accept your flavor of atheism. Why not Taoism, Jain, Raelian, Buddhism or variants of Hinduism?

    TRANSLATION: I am a dumb fuck that doesn’t understand any religion other than my own particular flavour of christianity. If the other religion is non-theistic or poly-theistic it is beyond my comprehension and therefore must be invalid. I chant my mantra “They’re wrong, I am right, you are an atheist” whenever something confusing or complex interferes with my invisible man story. It helps.

    I will note that Raelians (and Scientologists, by the way) have a whole lot more in common with christianity than with atheism. Let’s see:
    1. All ascribe to some invisible “out there” entity as creator of mankind – All have human origin myths.
    2. They are religions (Relax “a”, atheism is simply a rejection of a belief in a god, nothing more)
    3. They have a hierarchy (bishop priest etc) and profit, errrr ….I mean Prophet, of course.
    4. All use brainwashing to keep adherents in line
    5. Use of baptism
    6. Belief in Jesus
    7. Religious symbols to denote the faith.

  16. on 17 Jun 2013 at 12:42 pm 16.Fluttershy said …

    A said
    “Please show us the process you chose to accept your flavor of atheism. Why not Taoism, Jain, Raelian, Buddhism or variants of Hinduism?”

    Process is easy.
    Are they a religion?
    If yes: Do not join.
    If no: Join.

  17. on 17 Jun 2013 at 1:39 pm 17.The messenger said …

    204.Anonymous, Gandhi is most likely not in hell, but in purgatory.
    Only people like hitler and Stalin are sent to hell. Gandhi’s punishment is very small, and Gandhi will go to heaven way before hitler and Stalin pay off there sentence.
    ,

  18. on 17 Jun 2013 at 1:40 pm 18.The messenger said …

    189.Anonymous, it is ok to be gay, it is not ok to have gay sex.
    Christianity includes the Torah(Jewish law), the Hebrew bible(the complete Old Testament), and the writings of the mark, Jude, paul(aka Saul), James, Peter, Luke, Matthew, and John.
    If a wife is cheating on he husband he can divorce her.
    If a man cheats on his wife then she can divorce him.
    Using birth control is a sin because it murders an unborn human being.
    Martian Luther is the reason that there are so many different Christian churches because he started the Protestant reformation.
    GOD wants us to go to the doctors.
    Females should not be Preist. The role of Wemon in the church is to help the poor and help raise money and make cloths for the poor and sick people of the world. The role of men in the church is to preach the word of GOD to all people(including Thomas). Some of these church roles are shared by both genders, but the role of preaching the word of GOD is the jod of the male gender in the church.
    GOD only punishes bad people, and hell is only temporary.
    Atheists can go to heaven if they are truly kind, forgiving, compassionate, humble people.

  19. on 17 Jun 2013 at 10:02 pm 19.alex said …

    “…alex ranting like a madman! LOL!!!”

    and you’re spamming an unmoderated board because of your sky deity/daddy and calling out the rants? why so many xtian permutations? y’all are too busy trying to disassociate yourselves from the obvious bible bullshit. what’s left? love and hell/heaven? even the hell/heaven is questionable, as translated by the other resident idiot, messenger. love is all that’s left? you better hang to that ark shit. creationism too. lol=lots of liars, that’s you(se).

    go fuck yourself, asshole.

  20. on 18 Jun 2013 at 12:42 am 20.Anonymous said …

    Again, “A” goes off on a tangent trying to *not* discuss Christian brainwashing.

    It should also be clear to everyone at this point due to their avoidance of the subject of this blog, that the characters “a”, castbound, curmudgeon, martin, xenonm messy, 40ya are simply doing drive-by and diversionary posts. They are 100% trolling.

    So, here’s another reminder of the questions that “they” and their ilk – believers of the religion of hate known as Christianity – are avoiding. They need to answer these to show that they are not brainwashed. Your avoiding them, and parroting back what we say to you, is just digging yourselves in deeper.

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?

    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?

    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?

    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?

    Is using birth control a sin?

    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?

    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?

    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? …
    Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?

    Is it ok to be gay?

    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion

    Also, especially for Martin.

    Provide formal logical proof for the existence of your god.

    Explain, using a logical proof, why you worship the god that you do.

  21. on 18 Jun 2013 at 3:44 am 21.The messenger said …

    In job 26 the bible states that GOD hangs the earth on nothing, that is referring to the fact that earth is held in the nothingness of space. The bible talks about the roundness of the earth in Isaiah 40.

    The bible is comfermd by science.

  22. on 18 Jun 2013 at 4:15 am 22.A said …

    “a”, castbound, curmudgeon, martin, xenonm messy, 40ya are simply doing drive-by and diversionary posts. They are 100% trolling”

    Translation: I can’t answer the question so I rant!

    lol!!! What is 100% trolling? Can one troll at 30%?

  23. on 18 Jun 2013 at 4:45 am 23.Fluttershy said …

    218.The messenger said …
    *snip*

    Literally that is one of the most ridiculous levels of discrimination i have ever seen.

  24. on 18 Jun 2013 at 2:41 pm 24.The messenger said …

    223.Fluttershy, tell me, how is that discrimination?

  25. on 18 Jun 2013 at 9:38 pm 25.alex said …

    dipshit theists once again post stupid, irrelevant questions and when ignored or outed, they post like little bitches, nyeh, nhey, I win! that’s you ‘a’.

    read the title, bitch. you’re brainwashed with shit that you can’t back up so you resort to more bullshit diversionary questions. focus, motherfucker.

  26. on 18 Jun 2013 at 10:00 pm 26.The messenger said …

    225.alex, your hate has corrupted you and driven you insain.

    Jesus, help Alex.

  27. on 18 Jun 2013 at 10:29 pm 27.Anonymous said …

    oh, “a” is the archetypal columba strutting around on the chess board. Unfortunately, he thinks he’s clever, or cute, or coy. If only he knew he was a pigeon.

  28. on 19 Jun 2013 at 1:37 am 28.alex said …

    with all the obvious bullshit spouted off by the idiot messenger, not a single xtian here, had posted anything that even resembles calling him out. not one. such is the mindfucked brainwashing

  29. on 19 Jun 2013 at 12:52 pm 29.The messenger said …

    Alex, start providing a relevant argument.

  30. on 19 Jun 2013 at 1:30 pm 30.The messenger said …

    223.Fluttershy, tell me, how is that discrimination ?

  31. on 19 Jun 2013 at 4:49 pm 31.A said …

    I am so pleased alex is not afraid to speak his mind. He more than anything proves the the case against atheism.

    Thank you alex, pleas respond to me with more hate-filled rants!

  32. on 19 Jun 2013 at 5:14 pm 32.DPK said …

    “226.alex said …

    with all the obvious bullshit spouted off by the idiot messenger, not a single xtian here, had posted anything that even resembles calling him out.”

    They won’t, but they won’t join in the discussion to support him either. Same with Solomon… all the Christians here think he is a bat shit crazy totally deluded mooslim fuckwad, but they won’t say a thing against him. In their mind, anyone who believes almost ANY crazy ass superstitious nonsense is ok… but being atheistic is not.
    Notice how “A” is terrified of anyone not sharing his delusions being “in charge” and automatically equates me, and anyone else who doubts his beliefs in a supernatural god, with Hitler and Stalin, while at the same time forgetting that there was a time when theocracies actually did rule the world… they call it “The Dark Ages”… and for very good reason.

  33. on 19 Jun 2013 at 5:45 pm 33.alex said …

    “He more than anything proves the the case against atheism.”

    fine, dipshit. now, what is your case for your god? list them out, brave motherfucker. all talk?

    let me hep you out. gather up all my posts and change all the references to santa claus worshippers. i’m a case against santa claus NON-believers? fucken moron.

  34. on 19 Jun 2013 at 6:01 pm 34.A said …

    “A is terrified”

    I know I know I am so frightened! What will we do!? I think DPK is serious. LoL!!

    LoL!! Thanks Alex. I knew I could make you speak.

    You guys are great fun. If 40 drops by or if our blog host drops by with something fresh. I might work in a few witty observations

  35. on 19 Jun 2013 at 6:48 pm 35.Anonymous said …

    Here, again, are the questions, again, that “a” is afraid to answer. Come on, give it your best shot.

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?

    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?

    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?

    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?

    Is using birth control a sin?

    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?

    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?

    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?

    Is it ok to be gay?

    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion

    And here’s what the class hypocrite Martin is unable to answer. Come on, show us how it is done. Provide answers to prove that you know what you are talking about when your criticize others.

    Provide formal logical proof for the existence of your god.

    Explain, using a logical proof, why you worship the god that you do.

  36. on 19 Jun 2013 at 7:21 pm 36.The messenger said …

    232.DPK, are you insane?

    King Solomon was Jewish, not Islamic. King Solomon has a lot of respect from Christians. He is regarded as one of the greatest leaders of Israel, and he is known to be very close to GOD.

  37. on 19 Jun 2013 at 7:25 pm 37.The messenger said …

    The leaders during the dark ages abandoned Jesus by murdering, waging war over territory, and organizing Witch trials.

    GOD caused the black plague to punish those evil idiot of the dark ages.

  38. on 19 Jun 2013 at 8:22 pm 38.The messenger said …

    223.Fluttershy, tell me, how is that discrimination?

  39. on 20 Jun 2013 at 1:27 am 39.A said …

    Mousey!

    Tell you what. You answer my questions I have asked numerous times and I will chose 3 of you questions. How is that? Are you willing to take the risk?

    sorry, but you proved yourself untrustworthy with the age of the earth question and now you must go first.

    Start with how did DNA evolve? Use the scientific method. It did evolve, right? And evolution is fact, yes?

    How did you chose your flavor of atheism? Why not Jain?

    Then, provide some evidence for macro evolution which we can test with the scientific method.

    Lets see if you are honest or are concerned more with a gotcha.

  40. on 20 Jun 2013 at 1:34 am 40.alex said …

    i already toldya, dipshit. all atheists are full of shit. is this your god proof? all yeti-nonbelievers are full of shit. is this your yeti proof? asshole.

    couldn’t stay away, could you? get time warner. your porn will load faster, you fucken hypocrite.

  41. on 20 Jun 2013 at 1:45 am 41.The Messenger said …

    223.Fluttershy, how is that discrimination?

  42. on 20 Jun 2013 at 5:23 am 42.Fluttershy said …

    A said
    Snip

    1: DNA is a chemical substance, and thus cannot evolve.
    2: No, it did not evolve.
    3: Yes
    4: It was my own choice.
    5: Who the heck is jain?
    6: Already gave you evidence, you are too ignorant to accept it.

    Now that i have answered some questions, ANSWER all of ours.
    Being that you sure as hell owe is a bazzilion answers.

  43. on 20 Jun 2013 at 5:25 am 43.Fluttershy said …

    Mess said

    223.Fluttershy, how is that discrimination?

    Read the definition of discrimination and look at some modern day examples and get back to us.
    You obviously need education of the word, or a sink.

  44. on 20 Jun 2013 at 11:32 am 44.A said …

    Butterfly,

    lol!! You do not believe DNA evolved. Let’s check with mousey. So, did a turtle write the program? A whale?. I don’t think mousey will agree. He just will not answer.

    Butter Jain is an atheist religion. How did you determine not to be Jain or Taoist?

    still waiting for all this proof for macro evolution so we can apply the scientific method to it….. Naming disciplines of study is not proof.

  45. on 20 Jun 2013 at 12:04 pm 45.Fluttershy said …

    You said DNA evolved, being that you didnt put any context into it, i assumed you meant to mutated from nothing, obviously nothing cannot mutate, hence DNA cannot “evolve”.

    If you however put the slightest bit of context into it, then YES, DNA evolved.
    “mousey” doesnt have to agree with me, and i do not have to agree with him, doesnt prove that either is wrong, so why bring it up.

    “still waiting for all this proof for macro evolution”
    ALREADY GAVE IT TO YOU ABOUT 10 TIMES NOW.
    Want us to show you that the earth goes around the sun?
    Or that the world is round?
    Or how gravity is existent?

    “Butter Jain is an atheist religion. How did you determine not to be Jain or Taoist?”

    Putting atheist and religion in the same sentence is an oxymoron….
    Learn the damned definition of atheist…

    AND WOW, YOU DIDNT ANSWER ANYTHING….AGAIN…
    This (for the hundredth time…) proves that you have nothing to do with fair debating, that you are dishonest, and that in general, you are a untrustworthy person…

  46. on 20 Jun 2013 at 12:06 pm 46.Fluttershy said …

    “So, did a turtle write the program? A whale?”
    *im gonna nitpick here ;D*

    Those examples require DNA to exist in the first place.
    next time, use rock, water, or any other thing that doesnt need DNA ;D

  47. on 20 Jun 2013 at 12:08 pm 47.Fluttershy said …

    As i said earlier…
    Now that i have answered some questions, ANSWER all of ours.
    Being that you sure as hell owe is a bazzilion answers.

  48. on 20 Jun 2013 at 12:51 pm 48.freddies_dead said …

    232.A said … (to Anonymous)

    Mousey!

    Tell you what. You answer my questions I have asked numerous times and I will chose 3 of you questions. How is that? Are you willing to take the risk?

    I suspect Anonymous would be perfectly willing if he thought you’d actually honour your claim in an honest way.

    sorry, but you proved yourself untrustworthy with the age of the earth question and now you must go first.

    Cause you’ve never proven yourself untrustworthy at all have you? Sheesh.

    Start with how did DNA evolve?

    Firstly I have to ask why it is that you are asking us? As far as I’m aware none of the atheists on this blog are molecular biologists/biochemists engaged in the study of how DNA came to be. However, people who are molecular biologists/biochemists engaged in the study of how DNA came to be have many evolutionary hypotheses as to how it may have done so. Maybe you could try Googling and read what they have to say on the matter. You could start here or here.

    Use the scientific method. It did evolve, right?

    From what I’ve read from people using the scientific method to actually study the phenomenon I’d say that yes, yes it did.

    And evolution is fact, yes?

    Evolution as a biological process – changes in allele frequency in populations over time – is indeed a fact.

    Of course evolution has no bearing on the existence of the Christian God. All it does is show that the creation story in Genesis is just that, a story. Many Christians have no problem integrating evolution into their theistic worldviews. It’s only the more fundamentalist literalist believers that are forced to deny evolution despite the enormous amount of evidence that supports the theory.

    And, as Alex keeps pointing out, even if the process of evolution was not a fact and the theory of evolution wasn’t the best explanation for current biodiversity this does nothing to support the claim that the Christian God exists.

    How did you chose your flavor of atheism?

    Through the only rational process humanity has available to it, the use of reason.

    Why not Jain?

    Because Jainism holds some irrational, non-evidence based beliefs such as the existence of Nirvana (Heaven), Naraka (Hell), eternal souls, life after death and reincarnation.

    Then, provide some evidence for macro evolution which we can test with the scientific method.

    Why don’t you just wander on over to TalkOrigins and go through their 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution.

    Again with evolution. It’s irrelevant, a diversion. Surely God’s existence doesn’t rest on the truth/falsity of evolution? What a pathetic God that would be.

    Lets see if you are honest or are concerned more with a gotcha.

    Now lets see if you are honest – pick your 3 questions from Anonymous and answer them.

    I suspect however, that A will, instead, choose to pick at both Fluttershy’s and my answers as a means of diverting the conversation away from him honouring his claim and to continue his desperate run from the burden of proof that he refuses to acknowledge he has.

  49. on 20 Jun 2013 at 3:07 pm 49.The messenger said …

    243.Fluttershy, that is not discrimination.

    GOD assigns certain Jobs to certain genders so the church’s perpose could be fulfilled.

    Men in the church were command to preach the word of GOD, wemonin the church were commanded to nurse the poor and sick people.

    Both men and wemon can help the sick and poor people, but only men can preach the word of GOD.

    It is not discrimination, it is just not the wemon’s job.

  50. on 20 Jun 2013 at 3:16 pm 50.Anonymous said …

    “a” spouted:

    Butterfly,

    lol!! You do not believe DNA evolved. Let’s check with mousey

    OK. DNA didn’t evolve. Done. Another “a”-ism

    did a turtle write the program? A whale?. I don’t think mousey will agree. He just will not answer.

    A whale is as plausible as a god, maybe more so. We KNOW whales exist.

    Jain is an atheist religion. How did you determine not to be Jain or Taoist?

    TRANSLATION: I continue to be a dumb fuck. My religion is right, you are wrong, you are atheist. Jain is a religion – Why don’t you join? Oh yeah, their gauwd isn’t j-boy.

    Oh, “a”:

    still waiting for all this proof for macro evolution so we can apply the scientific method to it….. Naming disciplines of study is not proof.

    Been there, done that. Hard to build any consensus when your brainwashing (topic of the thread) gets in the way. Watch this example: Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for less than 1 million years on our 4.6 BILLION year old Earth. Right? Yeah, I know. Your Jesus-Goggles won’t allow you to answer. Even if you did (gasp!) answer, “there’s no way any man can show you how gauwd put humans on the planet” -Your words. 100% troll (get it)

  51. on 20 Jun 2013 at 7:25 pm 51.DPK said …

    “A”
    Please demonstrate to us, that if somehow if the theory of evolution were to be completely discredited tomorrow, how that would prove the existence of a supernatural god, and your specific god in particular.
    If you cannot, then your diversionary tactics are meaningless to the topic at hand, which is how brainwashing is a fundamental part of religion.

    You are doing an exemplary job of proving the point though, thank you very much.

  52. on 20 Jun 2013 at 7:48 pm 52.A said …

    Summerize:

    Atheist believe DNA did not evolve? Wait! That means there must be another process at work?, So who/what wrote this incredible high information code? How did it come together???? Did the Bang write the code? I thought all living creatures evolved atheists?

    Butterfly, learn what sarcasm is. Surely on MLP they have taught you that much.

    Now about all this evidence for macro evolution. Where us it? Lets get in here so we can apply the scientific method. Hint: Has nothing to do planetary orbits or age of the universe or rocks! Lol!!

  53. on 20 Jun 2013 at 8:14 pm 53.alex said …

    “Atheist believe DNA did not evolve? Wait! That means there must be another process at work?, So who/what wrote this incredible high information code?”

    there’s that bullshit logical phallacy, courtesy of the resident phallus head, ‘a’. if a bushman didn’t know how dune patterns were created, didgoddoit?

    what a fucken moron you are. go fuck yourself. this way you won’t reproduce, you.. you.. (i’m out of curses). and quit the nonstop bullshit questioning.

    in case you didn’t know, an atheist/scientific error, doesn’t validate your god, you asshole.

  54. on 20 Jun 2013 at 8:22 pm 54.DPK said …

    “250.A said …

    Summerize:

    “Atheist believe DNA did not evolve? Wait!”

    Winterize:
    No, once again you completely fail to understand what an “atheist” is. I’m an atheist, and I understand that to “evolve” is nothing more than “to change over time”. So DNA most certainly evolves… we can observe this process in bacteria. But that has absolutely nothing to do with being atheist, any more than I could say that because you are a creationist and a theist, therefore “theists do not believe in evolution.” which would also be an example of you fallacious reasoning.

    You keep asking for “evidence” of macro evolution. You will find none because there is no such thing. The word is “speciation” and there is ample evidence of it, all you need do is look if it is important to you. But it has nothing to do with the topic at hand… religious brainwashing. Except, perhaps to demonstrate how religious brainwashing works. In that case, thank you for making the case so abundantly clear.

  55. on 20 Jun 2013 at 9:13 pm 55.Anonymous said …

    Having a debate with “a” and teaching him anything about science in general and evolution in particular is impossible; It would be easier to teach a pig to fly. Besides, in his words “NOBODY will ever be able to show him how GAUWD put humans on this planet”.
    Did you catch that? NOBODY!!! It doesn’t change anything if evolution in his small world is real or not. His gauwd is not falsifiable. EVER. No matter what. 100% troll (get it?)

  56. on 20 Jun 2013 at 9:18 pm 56.Anonymous said …

    Yes, “a” is the classic theist fundamentalist. Reality is completely framed and defined by the existence of the invisible magic man who looks over our puny heads.

    “a” likely does NOT think much of The Theory of Gravity either. Can’t be proven, it’s only a theory. Gauwd is “intelligently pushing” down on us, keeping us affixed to the planet.

  57. on 20 Jun 2013 at 9:33 pm 57.A said …

    Now DPK claims DNA did evolve. Atheists, why are there such differing opinions among you when this is suppose to fact? You 3 can’t even agree on DNAs history. Right!

    Alex can only curse and use the f bombs like punctuation. Hard to believe he is that big a mess. Mosey, DPK is alex’s behavior morally acceptable? Are his phallacies acceptable?

    still waiting for a few bits we can’t test together as a group. It should be fun!

  58. on 20 Jun 2013 at 9:50 pm 58.Anonymous said …

    “a” 100% troll
    three people can’t agree. Oh my. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
    Maybe there’s three different levels of education, three independent world views, three thinking minds, who the fuck knows.

  59. on 20 Jun 2013 at 10:08 pm 59.Anonymous said …

    “Who the fuck knows”. It’s nothing to do with atheism or religious brainwashing so who the fuck cares.

    Now lets see “a” answer his outstanding questions. Let us know if you need them repeating again.

  60. on 20 Jun 2013 at 10:35 pm 60.A said …

    Who knows? I know. It has EveryThing to do with brainwashing. You believe with no proof because you have been indoctinated. You are the modern flatearthers. You know it does not hold up to the scientific method yet your ilk calls it fact. However, you demand proof and facts from theist.

    And we are suppose to submit evidence for your approval? Please! Stop being so phallacious. Lol!

    Not provide some evidence so we can get to work.

  61. on 20 Jun 2013 at 10:41 pm 61.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    You are the modern flatearthers. You know it does not hold up

    Who made you the judge on deciding who thinks and who doesn’t? Why won’t you get a dialog going on evolution? I repeat

    Watch this example: Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for less than 1 million years on our 4.6 BILLION year old Earth. Right?

    Let’s get it going. Can’t you think? Why the fuck can’t you answer?

  62. on 21 Jun 2013 at 12:25 am 62.Anonymous said …

    “a” sees this comment:

    Maybe there’s three different levels of education, three independent world views, three thinking minds, who the fuck knows.

    With overwhelming irony, “a” responds with:

    Who knows? I know. It has EveryThing to do with brainwashing.

    Three DIFFERENT viewpoints, ace. That’s called INDEPENDENT thinking. What a dumb fuck you are. LOL!!

    An example of brainwashing is the very quiet Theist Collective. All marching lock-step to the christian drumbeat from you.

  63. on 21 Jun 2013 at 1:15 am 63.The messenger said …

    243.Fluttershy, that is not discrimination.
    GOD assigns certain Jobs to certain genders so the church’s perpose could be fulfilled.
    Men in the church were command to preach the word of GOD, wemonin the church were commanded to nurse the poor and sick people.
    Both men and wemon can help the sick and poor people, but only men can preach the word of GOD.
    It is not discrimination, it is just not the wemon’s job .

  64. on 21 Jun 2013 at 2:03 am 64.A said …

    Hmmm, 3 different views on ToE which is SUPPOSE to fact!!

    LoL!!

    I guess you already settled the matter. Your opinion is ToE is tue and you indeed exercise faith to believe it OR your fellow atheits are idiots?

    I love it mousey, when backed into a corner you become alex. Ironically, no surprise here.

    so will you be presenting the evidence or no? Why won’t you answer mousey?

  65. on 21 Jun 2013 at 3:15 am 65.Anonymous said …

    so will you be presenting the evidence or no? Why won’t you answer mousey?

    “a”, Go fuck yourself. The evidence is in abundance. Watch this example: Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for less than 1 million years on our 4.6 BILLION year old Earth. Right?

    Again, no answer from “a”-hole. Knows the road it leads to. Offers “fixed species” and gauwd as alternatives.

    In your opinion “nobody will ever remove gauwd from having created humans” so it looks like you’re always stuck with goddidit. You are an honours student in Brainwashing 101.

  66. on 21 Jun 2013 at 3:25 am 66.A said …

    Lol!! You guys losing composure on a blog is quite amusing.

    I never realized asking for facts was presenting an alternative? I don’t believe I even claimed ToE was not a possibility. Your anger has caused you to lose all rationality.

    So do you (3) thinking individuals have varying opinions on ToE or is it fact? More likely, you will offer nothing to explain the conflicting claims.

    nite nite mousey..

  67. on 21 Jun 2013 at 4:08 am 67.Anonymous said …

    “a”
    Quite interesting, isn’t it? Goddidit is the answer if evolution is true to him or not. It does NOT matter what you, me, three separate people, or even a few thousand people think. ToE is backed by science…It’s been completely accepted by most theists -deal with it bitch.

    The important feature of the defective mental abilities that “a” exquisitely displays is to not only attribute “goddidit” to issues beyond his comprehension, but to also spin everything (good or bad) as having occurred due to the wisdom of gauwd.

    2 Classic theist examples of gauwds infinite compassion and wisdom:
    My mom and dad were murdered. RESPONSE: They’re with gauwd in a better place now. Ain’t gauwd great?
    My mom and dad killed someone trying to kill them. RESPONSE: Ain’t gauwd great, he protected them from harm.

    No matter the situation the standard response is one of: “goddidit” when they don’t understand or “Ain’t gauwd great” when life happens. But, remember, IT’S NOT BRAINWASHING ;-)

  68. on 21 Jun 2013 at 4:19 am 68.The messenger said …

    266.Anonymous, GOD sufferd and died for us. Anything that happens in our lives is nothing compared to the pain that GOD went through.

    You should be greatful for the things that he gives us in life, instead of complaining about the things that we loose. Eventually we will receive eternal paridice in heaven, that is something to be greatful for.

  69. on 21 Jun 2013 at 4:33 am 69.The messenger said …

    266.Anonymous, everything in life happens because of GOD.

    Everything in life is planned our by GOD, and it all happens in order to help us become better people.

    You lost your faith in GOD because your “so called suffering”, but let me tell you something, you have NO what suffering really is.

    GOD suffered for us. He was beaten and murderd by his own creations, he had nails shoved inside him, he wore a crown of thorns on his head, and he stood in awful pain for many hours before dieing. He sufferd, you didn’t.

    If something happens in life that you do not like, think about what Jesus went through, and perhaps you realize that your situation is not really bad at all.

  70. on 21 Jun 2013 at 4:36 am 70.The messenger said …

    266.Anonymous, everything in life happens because of GOD.
    Everything in life is planned our by GOD, and it all happens in order to help us become better people.
    You lost your faith in GOD because of your “so called suffering”. Let me tell you something, you have NO idea what suffering really is.
    GOD suffered for us. He was beaten and murderd by his own creations, he had nails shoved inside him, he wore a crown of thorns on his head, and he stood in awful pain for many hours before dieing. He sufferd, you didn’t.
    If something happens in life that you do not like, think about what Jesus went through, and perhaps you realize that your situation is not really bad at all.

  71. on 21 Jun 2013 at 9:23 am 71.Fluttershy said …

    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”

    God did it isnt an answer.
    If you fail to answer these, or even ONE of the questions.
    I will advise the athiests here to spam it, and perhaps contact the admin to IP ban you…

  72. on 21 Jun 2013 at 11:18 am 72.Anonymous said …

    Fluttershy

    I will advise the athiests here to spam it, and perhaps contact the admin to IP ban you

    Don’t, please don’t.

    “a”, with their posts, helps to prove the point. Note the considerable amount of ducking, weaving, prancing whenever challenged? Anything to get out of trying to answer even the easiest of questions. Why, you may ask? Well, everyone, “a” included, knows the gauwd position is as defensible as when someone says “I have a little pink unicorn in my underwear drawer”. It simply isn’t. Now watch as “a” will use this post, or your post, or make mention of the phase of the moon in their next post to avoid being challenged.

    “a” is brainwashed. As is the entirely quiet Theist Collective.

  73. on 21 Jun 2013 at 11:56 am 73.alex said …

    “Atheists, why are there such differing opinions among you when this is suppose to fact? You 3 can’t even agree on DNAs history. Right!”

    you just can’t get past your brainfuck. atheists disagree all the time. politics, science, women, etc. your mindless diversion is kaput. atheists don’t believe in your bullshit god. when i snap my finger, you’ll get your thumb out of your ass and wake up. snap! oops, you’re still fucked up. phallic motherfucker.

  74. on 21 Jun 2013 at 12:07 pm 74.alex said …

    for the umpteenth time, atheists do not believe in a bullshit, meddling, personal god. repeat it morons.

    all that other shit are diversions, plain and simple. toe, bigbang, lesbian men, global warming, etc are just lame attempts to circumvent the discussion about the laughable brainwashed idiots. next.

  75. on 21 Jun 2013 at 1:05 pm 75.A said …

    Butterfly,

    You will ban me? Lol!!! That is the best one yet on WWGHA. Exactly what they claim 40 does on his site. Is that how you handle dissenters my little pony?

    That is do rich! Listen pony, banning me doesn’t change mousey’s appeal to authority or his inability to sustain ToE using the scientific method. Until then, how can you test God, his actions or the very existence? Hmmm? The scientific method? Nope, you tossed it out the window.

    This is why he resorts to angry outbursts, f bombs and alexisms. He has been exposed as a creature of faith. Atheists hate that.

    Prove me wrong.

  76. on 21 Jun 2013 at 1:29 pm 76.Anonymous said …

    “a” As predicted. Duck, dodge, weave, rope-a-dope. AVOID, AVOID, AVOID. Sorry, was this a thread on evolution?
    We are on a thread about BRAINWASHING, so until you state a position on the statements made WRT evolution:

    Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for less than 1 million years on our 4.6 BILLION year old Earth. Right?

    We will never know how your level of denial came to be. All we know is that you claim “goddidit”.

    “a”, that would be your cue to start prancing about again.

  77. on 21 Jun 2013 at 3:08 pm 77.Fluttershy said …

    “You will ban me?”
    No, i am not an admin.

    “Is that how you handle dissenters my little pony?”
    What has MLP got to do with anything? (good show BTW)

    “Listen pony, banning me doesn’t change mousey’s appeal to authority or his inability to sustain ToE using the scientific method.”
    Im a human….. you know, right? Also, getting you banned *might* reduce the levels of complete rubbish and start getting some progress done.

    “The scientific method? Nope, you tossed it out the window.”
    Evolution is irrelevant.

    “This is why he resorts to angry outbursts, f bombs and alexisms. He has been exposed as a creature of faith.”
    Aren’t we all creatures? And don’t we all have faith in at least something?

    “Prove me wrong.”
    You haven’t posted anything of value, so literally all i have to do is say “your wrong”….

  78. on 21 Jun 2013 at 3:09 pm 78.Fluttershy said …

    Now, shall we debate fairly? Or not?
    “Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?
    Why are there 41,000 different denominations of the supposedly one true religion”
    God did it isnt an answer.
    If you fail to answer these, or even ONE of the questions.
    I will advise the athiests here to spam it, and perhaps contact the admin to IP ban you…

  79. on 21 Jun 2013 at 4:49 pm 79.A said …

    Pony! Pony!

    Yes, I know you are not the admin. Thanks! Lol!; I know who the admin is and if he wants to ban me I will be fine. I make you uncomfortable pony so you want me eradicated. That is typical for a liberal atheists.

    So now you claim atheists have faith? Interesting, when this is voiced by a theist they get quite huffy.

    Now, when you atheists show you can judge and understand the nature of evidence, we will proceed. Convince me you are not brainwashed. Now, where is this mountain of evidence for ToE so we can get the scientific method revved up!

  80. on 21 Jun 2013 at 5:02 pm 80.Curmudgeon said …

    “when someone says “I have a little pink unicorn in my underwear drawer”.”

    Anony just look in your drawer. If you see one you might find a local shrink. Either way you will have your answer. Is this blog about Anony’s underwear drawer?

    Why is it that atheists attempt to employ one level of burden of proof for God and another level for things they WANT to believe in?

    I am curious as to who, where and when I was brainwashed? Was it Dawkins, Harris or PZ?

  81. on 21 Jun 2013 at 6:32 pm 81.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    where is this mountain of evidence for ToE so we can get the scientific method revved up!

    Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for less than 1 million years on our 4.6 BILLION year old Earth. Right?

    “a”, have not heard back from you on this. I will presume you agree. If anyone posting here disagrees with the statement(including “a”, Cur, Martin, Castbound, Xenon, DPK, Fluttershy), post your arguement. Lack of input will indicate agreement so we keep moving on.

    Cur

    “when someone says “I have a little pink unicorn in my underwear drawer”.”

    Anony just look in your drawer. If you see one you might find a local shrink. Either way you will have your answer.

    But the damn thing is invisible. My 4 year old says it exists. Maybe it becomes invisible just as I begin to open the drawer. I don’t believe him, but he says it’s as real as all the monsters in the house.
    Either way, you and “a” may want to see a shrink if you see a gauwd or talk to one and get a verbal answer. At least my 4 year old doesn’t have that problem. Whew!!!

  82. on 21 Jun 2013 at 7:05 pm 82.alex said …

    “Why is it that atheists attempt to employ one level of burden of proof for God and another level for things they WANT to believe in?”

    that’s because you morons succeed half the time in derailing the conversation. whether toe, big bang, elvis, obama, whenever atheists answer, you fuckers turn it around and shift the burden of proof from your delusional brainwashing.

    again, let’s say that everything atheists believe in is shit. now, how’s that brainwashing going? you got anything to support your belief, dipshit?

    what, nothing? more diversions? politics? ufos?

    fucking assholes. i hear the sock, fucking brigade…

  83. on 21 Jun 2013 at 7:26 pm 83.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    where is this mountain of evidence for ToE so we can get the scientific method revved up!

    Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for less than 1 million years on our 4.6 BILLION year old Earth. Right?

    “a”, have not heard back from you on this. I will presume you agree. If anyone posting here disagrees with the statement(including “a”, Cur, Martin, Castbound, Xenon, DPK, Fluttershy), post your arguement. Lack of input will indicate agreement so we keep moving on.

    Cur

    “when someone says “I have a little pink unicorn in my underwear drawer”.”

    Anony just look in your drawer. If you see one you might find a local shrink. Either way you will have your answer.

    But the damn thing is invisible. My 4 year old says it exists. Maybe it becomes invisible just as I begin to open the drawer. I don’t believe him, but he says it’s as real as all the monsters in the house.
    Either way, you and “a” may want to see a shrink if you see a gauwd or talk to one and get a verbal answer. At least my 4 year old doesn’t have that problem. Whew!!!

    The Cur, again:

    I am curious as to who, where and when I was brainwashed?

    You were born an atheist….Maybe when mommy and daddy told you the real monster is Satan and Gauwd is your bestest friend. Or are you, like Horatio, an ex addict/alcoholic needing some buffering from the cold hard world?

  84. on 21 Jun 2013 at 7:34 pm 84.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    where is this mountain of evidence for ToE so we can get the scientific method revved up!

    Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for less than 1 million years on our 4.6 BILLION year old Earth. Right?

    “a”, We have not heard back from you on this. I will presume that you agree. If anyone else posting here disagrees with the statement (including Cur, Martin, Castbound, Xenon, DPK, Fluttershy), post your argument. Lack of input will indicate agreement so we may keep moving on.

    Cur

    “when someone says “I have a little pink unicorn in my underwear drawer”.”

    Anony just look in your drawer. If you see one you might find a local shrink. Either way you will have your answer.

    But the damn thing is invisible. My 4 year old says it exists. Maybe it becomes invisible just as I begin to open the drawer. I don’t believe him, but he says it’s as real as all the monsters in the house.
    Either way, you and “a” may want to see a shrink if you see a gauwd or talk to one and get a verbal answer. At least my 4 year old doesn’t have that problem. Whew!!!

    The Cur, again:

    I am curious as to who, where and when I was brainwashed?

    You were born an atheist….Maybe when mommy and daddy told you the real monster is Satan and Gauwd is your bestest friend. Or are you, like Horatio, an ex-addict/alcoholic needing some buffering from the cold hard world?

  85. on 22 Jun 2013 at 4:17 am 85.Fluttershy said …

    “Pony! Pony!
    Yes, I know you are not the admin. Thanks! Lol!; I know who the admin is and if he wants to ban me I will be fine. I make you uncomfortable pony so you want me eradicated. That is typical for a liberal atheists.
    So now you claim atheists have faith? Interesting, when this is voiced by a theist they get quite huffy.
    Now, when you atheists show you can judge and understand the nature of evidence, we will proceed. Convince me you are not brainwashed. Now, where is this mountain of evidence for ToE so we can get the scientific method revved up!”

    Screw it…
    This is leading to a dead end…
    Anyone have the admins contact details?
    I would like to know them…

  86. on 22 Jun 2013 at 1:15 pm 86.Curmudgeon said …

    Anony you have a pink unicorn but is is invisible?

    Sure mate.

    Again,, I was not born atheist. J WAS born indifferent without the wherewithall to make the decision. Don’t use those stupid and lame arguments from the atheist community.

    I actually grew up with God not even discussed one way or the other in my home. So who brainwashed me? Was it the pompous atheist? Was it science? Was it education?

  87. on 22 Jun 2013 at 2:12 pm 87.Anonymous said …

    Fluttershy, this should help you understand why fair debate with the sock-brigade isn’t possible.

  88. on 22 Jun 2013 at 10:03 pm 88.alex said …

    “I was not born atheist.”

    yes you were, you dumbass. you were also born a non-english speaker, fuckhead.

    “I actually grew up with God not even discussed one way or the other in my home.”

    so, one day you took a shit and a cross came out?

  89. on 23 Jun 2013 at 4:45 am 89.The messenger said …

    o266.Anonymous, everything in life happens because of GOD.
    Everything in life is planned our by GOD, and it all happens in order to help us become better people.
    You lost your faith in GOD because your “so called suffering”, but let me tell you something, you have NO what suffering really is.
    GOD suffered for us. He was beaten and murderd by his own creations, he had nails shoved inside him, he wore a crown of thorns on his head, and he stood in awful pain for many hours before dieing. He sufferd, you didn’t.
    If something happens in life that you do not like, think about what Jesus went through, and perhaps you realize that your situation is not really bad at all.

  90. on 23 Jun 2013 at 5:04 am 90.michael said …

    good to see all the same characters up to the same verbal masturbation. sans martin…

    dont know where that fuckhead went..

    anywho, i came up with a new scenario to consider

  91. on 23 Jun 2013 at 5:09 am 91.michael said …

    lets say i happened across a new species one day.

    some sort of hybrid. a fish..frog..monkey.

    i dont know something small, furry and cute.

    lets say i took them home and put them in my basement.

    lets say they reproduced and made my basement their home.

    lets say they really liked me. i would visit them every evening and give them sweets.

    but one day i didnt visit.

    i was too busy. and when i finally showed up i noticed that some of them had been killed.

    so i wait until the next evening and i stand just outside of their view and watch them kill each other.

    they are killing each other because they are confused and afraid. they dont know where i am and are trying to figure out how to bring me back to them. and their reaction is violent towards each other.

    to anyone reading this (lets call this scenario a)

    am i a monster for doing this? if i stand by and watch creatures kill each other out of confusion and fear, am i at fault? am i evil for doing so?

    cheers

    michael

  92. on 23 Jun 2013 at 9:27 am 92.Fluttershy said …

    Michael, god isn’t bad.

    He would also flood them with water that is impossible to attain in such amounts.

    He is nice like that…

  93. on 23 Jun 2013 at 1:23 pm 93.michael said …

    well, im not equating myself to god.

    and im not trying to focus on the abrahamic religions.

    im asking a very specific question to this case to explore the nature of our understanding of good and evil.

    but thank you for your response all the same.

  94. on 23 Jun 2013 at 3:42 pm 94.DPK said …

    Interesting question… I think I could make a case that “bringing them home and putting them in your basement” was actually the immoral act.
    Of course, “exploring the nature of our understanding of good and evil” is meaningless to the theists here, because they will tell you that they have “an absolute moral code” handed down by the creator that is not subject to interpretation, being absolute. I may be wrong, but I believe the bible… the source of this “absolute morality” gives man absolute dominion over the earth and all its creatures. If that is the case, then I guess that the biblical god would have no trouble with you standing by and watching them kill each other… I mean after all, that’s what he does with us, so it must be the right thing to do, Biblically speaking, no?
    D

  95. on 23 Jun 2013 at 6:40 pm 95.michael said …

    ok.

    thanks for the feedback. i will probably amend my scenario to say ‘i discover creatures in my basement’ rather than seemingly imprisioning them in my basement.

    thanks.

    to your answer FOR theists…well…thats not really what i was hoping for. i was hoping to see the answer from both sides.

    in your personal opinion, is the intentional removal of myself with the knowledge that it will cause death and suffering an immoral act?

  96. on 23 Jun 2013 at 7:39 pm 96.DPK said …

    an intentional act that will cause pain and suffering is immoral in my opinion, yes. Of course, it always would depend on specific circumstances… like would my staying cause greater suffering? But in a broad sense, I think it would be immoral.
    D

  97. on 23 Jun 2013 at 8:47 pm 97.michael said …

    but is it an intentional act in this scenario?

    what do you owe them?

    they are below you. mere animals.

    you may have been things to be doing.

    and you aren’t making them act the way they are. its their nature…

    would you staying cause greater suffering?

    in this case no.

    when you are around they are peaceful and happy.

    when you remove yourself, thats when they become violent and fearful.

  98. on 24 Jun 2013 at 3:57 pm 98.freddies_dead said …

    At 248 I said

    I suspect however, that A will, instead, choose to pick at both Fluttershy’s and my answers as a means of diverting the conversation away from him honouring his claim and to continue his desperate run from the burden of proof that he refuses to acknowledge he has.

    Well, he’s avoided my post altogether but has done nothing but pick at Fluttershy, Anonymous and DPK’s responses without ever coming close to honouring his promise to answer 3 of Anonymous’ questions.

    I could claim to be a prophet but his dodging and running away were always so predictable that I’d never have gotten decent odds from any bookie.

  99. on 24 Jun 2013 at 4:07 pm 99.DPK said …

    “289.The messenger said …

    o266.Anonymous, everything in life happens because of GOD.
    Everything in life is planned our by GOD, and it all happens in order to help us become better people.”

    So then messy, why do we gold people accountable for their actions, if what they do is planned by your god?
    Your god planned the holocaust, so why do we blame Hitler for it? Your god plans every abortion that occurs… why do we say abortion is wrong. And you never really explained how if god knows and plans “everything in life”.. YOUR WORDS… then how can you possibly claim that we have free will?
    Check your zipper messy, your insanity is showing again… hahaha.

  100. on 27 Jun 2013 at 5:51 am 100.Anonymous said …

    freddies_dead said

    At 248 I said

    I suspect however, that A will, instead, choose to pick at both Fluttershy’s and my answers as a means of diverting the conversation away from him honouring his claim and to continue his desperate run from the burden of proof that he refuses to acknowledge he has.

    Well, he’s avoided my post altogether but has done nothing but pick at Fluttershy, Anonymous and DPK’s responses without ever coming close to honouring his promise to answer 3 of Anonymous’ questions.

    I could claim to be a prophet but his dodging and running away were always so predictable that I’d never have gotten decent odds from any bookie.

    And while Hor keeps demanding that people answer his diversionary questions, it must be sad to have a reputation of being so deceitful that no-one is surprised by his lies and broken promises.

  101. on 27 Jun 2013 at 7:22 am 101.Fluttershy said …

    298 said…
    THANK YOU FOR USING MY NAME! :D

    Also.
    A…answer the questions…now….

  102. on 29 Jun 2013 at 11:51 pm 102.The messenger said …

    292.Fluttershy, the humans of that time period were hateful, cruel, and selfish. They deserved to be punished.

    GOD punished the bad people and saved the good people(Noah and his family).

  103. on 29 Jun 2013 at 11:57 pm 103.The messenger said …

    299.DPK, GOD wants to teach people right from wrong, so he planned for some people to do good things and some people to do bad things. GOD wants us to be held accountable for our actions so that we will learn not to do bad things.

  104. on 30 Jun 2013 at 12:15 am 104.The messenger said …

    291.michael, GOD gave us the laws and rules that we need in order to have peaceful lives. GOD wants us to learn to follow these laws and rules so that we will eventually live entirely in peace.

    GOD has never abandoned us. GOD is always with us, and he reveilles h self to us every day by giving us life, by giving us friends, by giving us family, by giving us unconditional love, and by giving us paridice in heaven.

    If you could summarize the entire old testement it would be like the following list.

    1. GOD gives humans freedom and land.

    2. Humans abandon GOD.

    3. Humans are freed by GOD.

    4. GOD gives humans power and land.

    5. Humans break GOD’s laws and forget GOD.

    6. Humans are put back into bondage

    7. Those steps keep repeating themselfs.

  105. on 30 Jun 2013 at 10:54 am 105.alex said …

    who the fuck is this messenger asshole? the same dipshit that said hell is temporary and that the dinosaurs descended from the ark animals. messenger, you dipshit, why don’t you appeal to your fellow dimwits. all you fuckers that agree with messenger, say “aye”. chirp, chirp, <silence>. messenger, go join your cousin s0l and tend the sheep.

    meanwhile, martin and his other sock martin, lurks, ready pounce with his incomparable logic and diversion. fucken brainwashed.

  106. on 03 Jul 2013 at 2:25 pm 106.Paula said …

    Messenger – Great to see you re still fighting the fight. :)

    Here’s the thing that I have learned since the last time I wrote anything to you all..

    If you don’t believe – then don’t believe!!! WTF?!!! Why argue about it? DUR! Doesn’t it seem strange to you all you disbelievers that you are all so passionate about someone you have never seen?? Why are you spending so much time and energy trying to dissolve something that you believe doesn’t exist??? It’s kinda like trying to argue about fairies??? maybe you’ll get more luck there??? lol

    I’m guessing some of you just are so bored out of your own minds that this is what you do for KICKS! yeah?? Maybe….. or maybe not …. who am I to judge?

    Here’s the thing y’all – If you have seen god – you know god exists 100% -if you haven’t seen god – yet you believe in him then one day you will, providing you have a pure heart – If not – then meh!! you most likely won’t see him… SIMPLE!

  107. on 03 Jul 2013 at 2:46 pm 107.Paula said …

    Ok, I’ll make a ready BOLD statement here… and I know you are all going to go all crazy punks on this – but I’ll say it anyway….

    When the bible says “Fear the Lord” I know n my heart – he means “Feel the Lord”

    I am a firm believer if you haven’t guessed so already… those who know the lord can verify this and these words.

    If you are up for challenge… I’m in. So long as you have intelligent questions…

    Px

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