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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 07 Jun 2013 12:42 am

Brainwashing is an important part of religious insanity

A sobering look at religious brainwashing:

5 Ways to Inspire Your Teenagers to Share the Gospel

As the leader of a ministry called Dare 2 Share, an organization that annually equips tens of thousands of teens to evangelize, I am in the motivation business. I have to be. If a clinical approach to evangelism were enough to motivate teenagers we could just do a video-based training series for youth groups and leave it at that. But it takes way more to motivate teens to actually go beyond talking about evangelism to actually doing it.

How might you do that? One approach is to fill a teen’s brain with superstitious nonsense, like this:

4. Talk about hell.

There I said it. Teenagers need to be reminded of what’s at stake for those who die without Christ. In a very real way, those who don’t know Jesus are unknowingly headed 100 mph at a cliff that leads to everlasting destruction. Our job as caring Christians is to jerk the steering wheel…and to get our teens to do the same with their friends.

Paul put it this way in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, “He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”

“Punished with everlasting destruction.” Isn’t that great? So the teen evangelist’s message is, “come worship a being who tortures people for eternity!” Why would ANYONE listen to a message like that? Why worship a torturer? Such is the insanity of religion.

307 Responses to “Brainwashing is an important part of religious insanity”

  1. on 07 Jun 2013 at 7:21 pm 1.Fluttershy said …

    FIRST

    Anyway, for some reason, some people here (Messenger, im talking to you! :D)
    believe that “Everlasting torture” or “eternal pain” means that it will only last for a certain period of time….

  2. on 07 Jun 2013 at 9:29 pm 2.The messenger said …

    Thomas, they use the word “eternal” to stress the extremely long amount of time that people spend in hell.

    It is similar to how the word “permanent” is used in the term “permanent markers”. Those markers do not last forever, they just use the word “permanent” to stress how long it lasts.

  3. on 07 Jun 2013 at 9:31 pm 3.The messenger said …

    Tom, here one of the messages of GOD.

    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

  4. on 07 Jun 2013 at 10:24 pm 4.The messenger said …

    Thomas, here is another message from Jesus.
    Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy

  5. on 07 Jun 2013 at 10:27 pm 5.The messenger said …

    Tom, bad people deserve bad punishments.

  6. on 07 Jun 2013 at 10:33 pm 6.Anonymous said …

    The point about brainwashing really strikes home.

    I know some folks who are active in their local church and one of the things they regularly say is “get them while they are still young and impressionable”. They have a years of indoctrination laid out with different classes and different awards all along the way. When asked about it they are surprisingly forthcoming and state that if they don’t get them to accept the church by the time they are sixteen then they won’t be willing to unquestionably accept religion. And again, they recognize that they need unquestioned loyalty, not skepticism.

    It’s these years of brainwashing and indoctrination that create the mental trap of religion. If religion was actually true, then they wouldn’t need such subversive techniques.

  7. on 08 Jun 2013 at 4:53 am 7.MrQ said …

    The character who once posted here under the moniker Horatio/Horatiio used the “think of your eternal punishment” threat upon his departure. What a fucking idiot. Who buys into this lunacy? The Hell threat is what permanently turned me off religion when I was but 14 or so years old.

  8. on 08 Jun 2013 at 7:10 am 8.The messenger said …

    6.Anonymous, your claim of brain washing is crap.

    Many people are converted after they turn 16, therefore this “years of introduction” crap is false.

    Teaching religion at a young age does not create a mental block. The reason that there bond to religion is sometimes stronger when it is taught to them at a young age is because it allows them to learn about the morals of GOD, and they laws of GOD(such as I am the LORD thy God, Thou shalt have no other gods, No graven images or likenesses, Not take the LORD’s name in vain, Remember the sabbath day, Honor thy father and thy mother, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet) so they can decide either to follow GOD, or not.

    GOD’s teachings are not forced on them, they are given a choice to either follow Jesus’s teachings, or not. The choice is their’s.

    Religious education is not brain washing.

    Thomas is brain washing you by fabricating lies and tring to convince you that they are true.

  9. on 08 Jun 2013 at 7:13 am 9.The messenger said …

    Tom, here one of the messages of GOD.
    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

  10. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:18 pm 10.The messenger said …

    6.Anonymous, your claim of brain washing is crap.
    Many people are converted after they turn 16, therefore this “years of introduction” crap is false.
    Teaching religion at a young age does not create a mental block. The reason that there bond to religion is sometimes stronger when it is taught to them at a young age is because it allows them to learn about the morals of GOD, and they laws of GOD(such as I am the LORD thy God, Thou shalt have no other gods, No graven images or likenesses, Not take the LORD’s name in vain, Remember the sabbath day, Honor thy father and thy mother, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet) so they can decide either to follow GOD, or not.
    GOD’s teachings are not forced on them, they are given a choice to either follow Jesus’s teachings, or not. The choice is their’s.
    Religious education is not brain washing.
    Thomas is brain washing you by fabricating lies and tring to convince you that they are true.

  11. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:20 pm 11.The messenger said …

    Tom, here one of the messages of GOD.
    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
    ,

  12. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:22 pm 12.The messenger said …

    Here is a message from Jesus.

    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

  13. on 08 Jun 2013 at 8:46 pm 13.Anonymous said …

    As a kid, I also saw the threat of hell as just another rather obvious ploy to control via fear. I wonder what makes religious people believe such absurd nonsense, if not brain washing?

  14. on 09 Jun 2013 at 12:04 am 14.The messenger said …

    Here is another word of Jesus

    12 Whoever makes himself great will be made humble. Whoever makes himself humble will be made great.

  15. on 09 Jun 2013 at 12:21 am 15.The messenger said …

    Hell is not a threat.

    If you do bad things you will by punished in hell.

    It is a thing called JUSTICE, look it up.

    If you do good things you will not be punished.

    Tell me, do you think that bad people should not be punished?

  16. on 09 Jun 2013 at 12:24 am 16.The messenger said …

    Mr. 7.MrQ, bad people will be punished.

    If you do not want to be punished by GOD, don’t do bad things.

  17. on 09 Jun 2013 at 12:26 am 17.The messenger said …

    Thomas, they use the word “eternal” to stress the extremely long amount of time that people spend in hell.
    It is similar to how the word “permanent” is used in the term “permanent markers”. Those markers do not last forever, they just use the word “permanent” to stress how long it lasts.

  18. on 09 Jun 2013 at 2:48 am 18.The messenger said …

    Hell is not a threat.
    If you do bad things you will by punished in hell.
    It is a thing called JUSTICE, look it up.
    If you do good things you will not be punished.
    Tell me, do you think that bad people should not be punished?

  19. on 09 Jun 2013 at 3:34 am 19.Fluttershy said …

    Ok, messenger….
    Eternal means forever, you cant change that definition.
    Permanent markers mean they last forever, guess what? They do on paper and cardboard, the reason they rub off skin is because constantly skin cells are falling off you, along with the markers ink.

    To anon
    I believed in hell well and truly, then i learnt some basic biology and physics and laughed it off XD

  20. on 09 Jun 2013 at 3:46 am 20.The messenger said …

    Brother 19.Fluttershy, tell me, how does biology and physics disprove heaven and hell?

  21. on 09 Jun 2013 at 3:53 am 21.The messenger said …

    19.Fluttershy, the particles that make up the paper are constantly wearing away and therefore the marks from the “permanent” marker are not really permanent.

    I am not changing the definition of the word.
    I am simply explaining how it is used in the bible, by comparing it to how the word “permanent” within the name “permanent marker” does not really mean forever, it is just used to stress the extreme amount of time that it lasts.

  22. on 09 Jun 2013 at 1:47 pm 22.Johnboy said …

    13.Anonymous said …

    As a kid, I also saw the threat of hell as just another rather obvious ploy to control via fear. I wonder what makes religious people believe such absurd nonsense, if not brain washing?

    What makes them believe this nonsense? Low or normal IQ, gullibility, inability to see what really is, superstitious, etc.

    The White House and the media has brain washed most our the U.S. Citizens in believing we have a real terrorist problem in our country. But we really don’t. See how easy it is to get citizens all worked up over nothing if you keep repeating the same thing over and over and over; and occasionally throw them a bone with an incident or two? Religion does the same thing. The bone they throw are occasional “miracles.”

  23. on 09 Jun 2013 at 2:19 pm 23.Fluttershy said …

    Johnboy said
    (snip)

    Are you new?
    If so, i can tell you one thing, debate at your own risk, the theists here never play fairly and will use the most ridiculous excuses and deny all evidence.
    Welcome to the forum ;D

  24. on 09 Jun 2013 at 2:46 pm 24.Anonymous said …

    Fluttershy, that’s the point. You believed simply because it had been drummed into your head.

    You didn’t question it, you simply accepted it. That’s religious brainwashing. Hence trying to control people via fear is one of the more pernicious aspects of religious beliefs.

  25. on 09 Jun 2013 at 3:01 pm 25.alex said …

    ‘The bone they throw are occasional “miracles.”’

    supposedly. it’s the righteous, self reassuring shit that makes me wanna puke. tebowing, god blessed me, pointing up after the touchdown, america is blessed, unexplained random events and other bullshits. gotta stop it. even my family won’t get away with it. hold hands and thank the lord during thanksgiving? fuck that.

    what? more hitler, persecution, evolution, liberals, and other irrelevant shit again? take your shit somewhere else, assholes.

  26. on 09 Jun 2013 at 4:08 pm 26.Anonymous said …

    If you are referring to messenger. I simply scroll past his posts. I suspect most people coming upon his incoherent rants and raves do the same thing.

  27. on 09 Jun 2013 at 7:19 pm 27.The messenger said …

    434.Fluttershy, Atheists have no moral rules. Therefore, they are most likely to become similar to on of the following Atheists/mass murders.Gracchus Babeuf
    Karl Marx
    Friedrich Engels
    Peter Kropotkin
    Rosa Luxemburg
    Karl Liebknecht
    Antonio Gramsci
    Vladimir Lenin
    Leon Trotsky
    Joseph Stalin
    Leonid Brezhnev
    Kim Il-Sung
    Mao Zedong
    Deng Xiaoping
    Ho Chi Minh
    Palmiro Togliatti
    Josip Broz Tito
    Fidel Castro
    Che Guevara

  28. on 09 Jun 2013 at 7:20 pm 28.The messenger said …

    22.Johnboy, Hell is not a threat.
    If you do bad things you will by punished in hell.
    It is a thing called JUSTICE, look it up.
    If you do good things you will not be punished.
    Tell me, do you think that bad people should not be punished?

  29. on 09 Jun 2013 at 7:27 pm 29.The messenger said …

    alex, atheists are naturally immoral, violent, inane, and irrational psychopaths.

    I have provided evidence in comment 27 that supports this claim.

  30. on 09 Jun 2013 at 7:40 pm 30.The messenger said …

    25.alex, tell me, can you disprove GOD?

    Where is the evidence that disproves GOD?

    I have presented proof that suggests that he does exist.

  31. on 09 Jun 2013 at 7:52 pm 31.The messenger said …

    24.Anonymous, fear is not used in Christianity.

    We have no reason to fear him, unless we lie, cheat, murder, or steal.
    If we do any of those appalling things that I listed above, we will be punished.

    Tell me, if someone commits murder do you think that they should be punished? Yes they should.

    Tell me, if someone lies do you think they should be punished? They should.

    GOD rewards the good and punishes the bad.

    GOD is fair.

  32. on 10 Jun 2013 at 1:51 am 32.A said …

    “I wonder what makes religious people believe such absurd nonsense, if not brain washing?”

    John Boy to understand you can parallel this with ToE.

    Why do atheists believe ToE in the macro form? Because it was in science books and taught by guys with letters after their name. Its not because it is supported by the scientific method.

    Why do Christians believe in God? Because it is in the Bible and taught by guys with letters after their name. Its not because it is supported by the scientific method.

    So the question becomes do accept one or both by faith? One claims to be science while the other never pretends to be science. Then you must make the call, does science really provide truth?

  33. on 10 Jun 2013 at 1:57 am 33.alex said …

    20.A said …

    more toe jam diversion? get the bullcrap outta here. you see, atheists are this, atheists are that. my god is bullshit, but atheists are this…..

  34. on 10 Jun 2013 at 1:58 am 34.A said …

    “The White House and the media has brain washed most our the U.S. Citizens in believing we have a real terrorist problem in our country.”

    Uh, oh we have a conspiracy theorist. And the early church wrote the entire Bible, aged it, wrote 30,000 ancient manuscripts and brainwashed the masses to think it was really old with many authors so they could control the masses!

  35. on 10 Jun 2013 at 2:01 am 35.alex said …

    “Then you must make the call, does science really provide truth?”

    science is bullshit, yet i use a computer. science is bullshit, but i drive a car. science is bullshit, but i eat genetically engineered food, blah, blah. what a fuckin hypocrite. stoned any adulterers lately? no cajones, except for the virgens, yah?

  36. on 10 Jun 2013 at 2:05 am 36.The messenger said …

    24.Anonymous, fear is not used in Christianity.
    We have no reason to fear him, unless we lie, cheat, murder, or steal.
    If we do any of those appalling things that I listed above, we will be punished.
    Tell me, if someone commits murder do you think that they should be punished? Yes they should.
    Tell me, if someone lies do you think they should be punished? They should.
    GOD rewards the good and punishes the bad.
    GOD is fair.

  37. on 10 Jun 2013 at 2:35 am 37.The messenger said …

    35.alex, medical and electrical science are not crap.

    Unproven theories such as the Big Bang theory are crap.

  38. on 10 Jun 2013 at 2:37 am 38.The messenger said …

    22.Johnboy, Hell is not a threat.
    If you do bad things you will by punished in hell.
    It is a thing called JUSTICE, look it up.
    If you do good things you will not be punished.
    Tell me, do you think that bad people should not be punished?

    Fear is not used in Christianity.
    We have no reason to fear him, unless we lie, cheat, murder, or steal.
    If we do any of those appalling things that I listed above, we will be punished.
    Tell me, if someone commits murder do you think that they should be punished? Yes they should.
    Tell me, if someone lies do you think they should be punished? They should.
    GOD rewards the good and punishes the bad.
    GOD is fair.

  39. on 10 Jun 2013 at 2:39 am 39.Anonymous said …

    “Why do Christians believe in God? Because it is in the Bible and taught by guys with letters after their name”

    Well, first, that’s not entirely true. They believe it because it’s in the bible and they have been taught to believe the bible.

    But what do they believe? They believe in talking snakes, men who live in fishes, men made from dust, women from ribs and so on. It’s am absolute load of utter nonsense and crap – it’s stuff they reject from any other book – and the only reason people believe it is because they have been conditioned to unconditionally do so.

    They’ve been brainwashed and the above is confirming it. He’s just offering an excuse but admitting the reality.

    The challenge is there yet no Christian has ever succeeded, and the ones here are too cowardly to even try.

    So, again, if you want to prove that Christians are not brainwashed, it’s easy. Prove to us that the bible is the word of a god and then prove to us that it is Yahweh. If you cannot do that, then you are demonstrating your brainwashing.

    Seriously, an Ark containing two of all kinds in the world? Who believes that shit other than fools and people conditioned not to think for themselves?

    Prove me wrong. For once offer us up prove

  40. on 10 Jun 2013 at 3:41 am 40.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    Why do atheists believe ToE……….
    Why do Christians believe in God

    Ok. Why do most people (including christians) believe in ToE?

    Are they two separate paradigms? Don’t think so, not necessarily. Back to basics, dumbass.

    Where is Xenon? Gone to ask momma for some advice. Hey, maybe Cur will troll over for a bit also.

  41. on 10 Jun 2013 at 5:06 am 41.The messenger said …

    39.Anonymous, living thing are created from non living matter, therefore we were made from dust.

    The DNA within Adam’s rib helped construct eve.

    The word snake does not mean a litteral snake.

    The word “snake” is a word that is used to lable a sneaky and deceitful person such as lucifer.

    Jonah was in the whale for a very short period of time, and therefore could have survived in it.

  42. on 10 Jun 2013 at 5:10 am 42.The messenger said …

    39.Anonymous, when the world was first created there were very few speicies on earth.

    All of the animals that are on the earth (that we know of) evolved from the animals that were on the ark.

  43. on 10 Jun 2013 at 5:36 am 43.The messenger said …

    39.Anonymous, all of Jesus’s teachings are recorded within the bible.

    His messeges are love, honesty, integrity, generosity, compassion, humility, equality, truth, and forgiveness.

    Humans are flawed, and are therefore incapable of producing something as pure as the bible, unless GOD guided them. There are no moral flaws in the bible.

    love your neighbor as yourself.

    Love your enemies.

    Whoever makes himself great will be made humble. Whoever makes himself humble will be made great.

    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    The truth will set you free

  44. on 10 Jun 2013 at 5:41 am 44.The messenger said …

    Matthew 5:7
    They are blessed who show mercy to others, for God will show mercy to them.
    Matthew 5:6-8 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

  45. on 10 Jun 2013 at 5:44 am 45.The messenger said …

    Mark 12:10
    Surely you have read this Scripture: ‘The stone that the builders rejected became the cornerstone.
    Mark 12:9-11 (in Context) Mark 12 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

    Jesus was rejected by many people, but now he is the most loved man in the world.

  46. on 10 Jun 2013 at 5:53 am 46.The messenger said …

    Alex, read this and you will finally understand that GOD is the only person who has the authority to stone a person, unless GOD grants them that authority by making them perfect.

    8 Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 But early in the morning he went back to the Temple, and all the people came to him, and he sat and taught them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery. They forced her to stand before the people. 4 They said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught having sexual relations with a man who is not her husband. 5 The law of Moses commands that we stone to death every woman who does this. What do you say we should do?” 6 They were asking this to trick Jesus so that they could have some charge against him.But Jesus bent over and started writing on the ground with his finger. 7 When they continued to ask Jesus their question, he raised up and said, “Anyone here who has never sinned can throw the first stone at her.” 8 Then Jesus bent over again and wrote on the ground.9 Those who heard Jesus began to leave one by one, first the older men and then the others. Jesus was left there alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus raised up again and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one judged you guilty?”11 She answered, “No one, sir.”Then Jesus said, “I also don’t judge you guilty. You may go now, but don’t sin anymore.”]

  47. on 10 Jun 2013 at 6:57 am 47.Fluttershy said …

    “Why do atheists believe ToE……….”

    Atheists have to believe in ToE now?
    Shit, i need to start studying before my atheist comrades burn me for hearsay.

    Anyway, atheists don’t believe in the theory of evolution, atheists who believe in the theory of evolution do.

  48. on 10 Jun 2013 at 12:04 pm 48.Fluttershy said …

    “Ok. Why do most people (including christians) believe in ToE?”

    Im going to be technical and say that a christian ( a full on bible worshiper christian) cannot believe in the theory of evolution, why? Because it contradicts what the bible states.

  49. on 10 Jun 2013 at 12:52 pm 49.Anonymous said …

    Fluttershy:

    a christian ( a full on bible worshiper christian) cannot believe in the theory of evolution, why? Because it contradicts what the bible states.

    It’s true that a fully immersed fundamentalist cannot believe in evolution but a standard believer can. Why? Well, as you’ve seen and heard, the bible is open to interpretation. Literal, figurative, parable, allegory, the reader gets to determine the “perfect words” meaning. Adherents fit onto a sliding scale of insanity. Phelps Baptists/messenger/”a”/Xenon/ at the extreme end of the scale. These would be the fringe elements, the whackos, if you will.

  50. on 10 Jun 2013 at 1:19 pm 50.Fluttershy said …

    I honestly wouldn’t count them as a full on christian, but i guess some form of christian….But being as the pope doesn’t believe in the theory of evolution, anyone who follows him shouldn’t either.

  51. on 10 Jun 2013 at 1:25 pm 51.Fluttershy said …

    Messenger said
    “alex, atheists are naturally immoral, violent, inane, and irrational psychopaths.”

    Lemme see, alex doesnt seem like a killer, DPK doesnt seem like a killer, i sure as hell aint a killer, so where are these killers?
    Did you mix the definition of atheist with killer by accident?
    Ehh dont worry, you will learn how to read and write someday….someday….

  52. on 10 Jun 2013 at 2:37 pm 52.Anonymous said …

    Fluttershy

    the pope doesn’t believe in the theory of evolution, anyone who follows him shouldn’t either.

    Oh, but the pope and his church DO NOT have any problem with evolution from a scientific perspective. They just add a twist that the soul is made by gauwd. Gauwd (invisibly, of course) drives evolution.

    Belief in gauwd is like a putty that you can knead into whatever shape you want it to be.

  53. on 10 Jun 2013 at 3:56 pm 53.Anonymous said …

    “Belief in gauwd is like a putty that you can knead into whatever shape you want it to be.”

    Which ought to be a red-flag for people that they are making it up as they go along.

    For years, religion has redefined itself to pretend to be in accordance with reality. As we find out more about the world the religious, desperate to hang on to their delusion, claim to have found “new meanings”.

    What good is a supposedly-holy book if it only makes sense after you already know what you claim it is going to teach you?

    Again, that people that they get something out of their religion that they can’t get anywhere else, shows how they’ve drunk the cool-aid and now belong to a cult.

    Brainwashed? Of course they are.

  54. on 10 Jun 2013 at 6:48 pm 54.The messenger said …

    Alex, read this and you will finally understand that GOD is the only person who has the authority to stone a person, unless GOD grants them that authority by making them perfect.
    8 Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 But early in the morning he went back to the Temple, and all the people came to him, and he sat and taught them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery. They forced her to stand before the people. 4 They said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught having sexual relations with a man who is not her husband. 5 The law of Moses commands that we stone to death every woman who does this. What do you say we should do?” 6 They were asking this to trick Jesus so that they could have some charge against him.But Jesus bent over and started writing on the ground with his finger. 7 When they continued to ask Jesus their question, he raised up and said, “Anyone here who has never sinned can throw the first stone at her.” 8 Then Jesus bent over again and wrote on the ground.9 Those who heard Jesus began to leave one by one, first the older men and then the others. Jesus was left there alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus raised up again and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one judged you guilty?”11 She answered, “No one, sir.”Then Jesus said, “I also don’t judge you guilty. You may go now, but don’t sin anymore.”]

  55. on 10 Jun 2013 at 8:04 pm 55.DPK said …

    “Messenger said
    “alex, atheists are naturally immoral, violent, inane, and irrational psychopaths.”

    Na, they’re not brainwashed………… hahaha

    I wonder is messy realizes every time he puts his fingers on the keyboard he convinces more and more people about the insanity of religion? I think he is probably our greatest advocate, and he is too stupid to even realize it.

  56. on 10 Jun 2013 at 10:56 pm 56.A said …

    The pope doesn”t believe in ToE? Butterfly you do make me laugh. I think you will find he is all in. As a politician he has to buy in. Besides, it takes much less faith to believe in ToE.

    As you said, ToE is not science, its just a personal preference. Me, I need some significant proof.

  57. on 11 Jun 2013 at 12:18 am 57.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    it takes much less faith to believe in ToE

    Wow, from the keyboard of “a”.

    The hard to accept position, requiring excessive faith, is that gauwd drives process. Many scientific branches of inquiry completely support ToE and none for the gauwd in charge of it all.

  58. on 11 Jun 2013 at 12:33 am 58.Anonymous said …

    This is his favorite diversion, people. Come on folks, don’t take the ToE bait. We are talking about religious brainwashing, not what xenon / “a” likes for dinner.

  59. on 11 Jun 2013 at 1:35 am 59.40 Year Atheist said …

    “Historydeniers!”; “40percenters!”; those are the Ad Hominem Abusives of the new Dawkins battlefront: history as Richard Dawkins decrees it is not to be denied. To deny evolution is unconscionable: evolution is fact and is the backbone of biology which is the foundation of science and all truth in the universe. Maybe all the universes. Maybe it’s even more true than that. It certainly is in Dawkins’ universe.

    Comparing the “fact” of evolution to the fact of the size of the moon being smaller than the earth, Dawkins clearly goes out of his way to obscure the difference between measurable facts vs. non-measured inferences, experimental data vs. conjecture. Or perhaps he truly doesn’t know the difference, being a life-long evolutionary proponent who has never been forced to be subject to actual experimental proofs of his proclaimed scientific “facts”. He does admit that all the evidence for evolution is inferential, and he makes the standard claim that mountains of such conjecture make it fact.

    But that is not true. It fails the basic tests of logic. Let’s run some tests:

    First, Dawkins seems to think that declaring a tautology based on conjecture creates a truth, or at least a fact. First Principle #1 (identity or tautology) states that “If it is true, then it is true” . This is not the same as “If I declare it true, then it is true” . False tautology: Logic failure #1.

    Next let’s try First Principle #2, which states that “a proposition cannot be both true and false”. Now, without experimental verification can we know if a principle is true or false, fact or fallacy? The Atheist / Materialist / Empiricist viewpoint is that evidence of a material nature is required in order to believe a thing. The evidence offered for evolution is inference: conjecture. This is not physical, material evidence, it is non-physical, non-material; moreover it smacks of being religious, a belief without empirical, experimental, substantive, material evidence. Dinosaurs? DNA? Do inferred relationships prove descent? Or are they conjecture? Clearly the latter.

    The inference / speculation issue is one that Dawkins cannot dodge and cannot win, straight on. It violates the concept that science is the search for “what is” by inserting extrapolative speculation as a substitute for experimental data. It contradicts the concept of science itself. It fails the Non-Contradiction Principle hands down. Logic failure #2.

    The third First Principle states that a “thing cannot be partly true and partly false”. Dawkins violates this by stating that evolution is true, when evolution is hardly even defined properly at this late date. We don’t need to understand mechanisms to know that it happened – is his response (elsewhere). Thus evolution is commonly compared to gravity, which we know exists without knowing the mechanism. But this is a false comparison; we can experimentally measure gravity but we cannot produce any experiments that even produce evolution much less measure it. So evolution falls back again onto “mountains of inference”, ie. conjecture, as its source of truth. Is evolution completely true? No one really knows other than accepting the religious stance that sufficient conjecture proves the case. So the third First Principle is an unknown and possibly unknowable source of validation or invalidation for evolution.

    The only case made by Dawkins is the assertion of the sufficiency of inference and conjecture. He ignores the probabilistic issues surrounding evolution, especially the issues of first life: an existence philosophy limited to material causes requires a material cause for first life, an occurrence attributed to magical, fortuitous, undefined replicators in Dawkins’ earlier works. Also ignored is the problem of too-rapid evolution in the Cambrian period, a problem requiring special convolutions in speculatory inferences.

    Dawkins’ real case is contained in his adjectives. He claims straight out that evolution is believed by “reputable” scientists, and “unbiased” readers of his book. If you disagree, you are designated a dreaded “historydenier” status, or the new pejorative, “40Percenter”. These Ad Hominem Abusives, hurled from an agenda-driven position of logical weakness, are a specialty of the Atheist Left, of which Dawkins is a prime example. If you cannot convince with logic, then first ridicule and second go for legal restrictions on non-congruent thought, such as removing children from homes of “historydeniers”, who Dawkins has previously declared are child abusers.

    Dawkins does not use logic to seal his argument. He uses the religious credentials of “sufficient inference” coupled with ridicule and defamation of dissent and dissentors. He is a religious zealot selling a religious program which claims exclusive, absolute truth.

    Dawkins has not yet slipped the reigns of rationality to the point of professing eugenic solutions for “historydeniers”. However, we should watch for that in the future, because his grip on logic and rational thought is virtually non-extant. Or maybe that idea is toward the back of his new book.

    Richard Writes A Book:

    Logic, principles of rational thought, discernment, critical thinking, the First Principles – all these are not taught or mentioned on Dawkins’ website, at least the last time I searched his “oasis of clear thinking”. They are presumed present due to the Materialism espoused there. But a perusal of Dawkins’ writings reveals not a familiarity with logic, but a rabid defense of a cherished agenda along with associated rationalizations in support of it.

    The excerpt from Dawkins’ book, “The Greatest Show On Earth” seems to indicate yet another step in the same direction. After inflating his own intellectual image with references to ancient Greeks, Romans and the Latin language, Dawkins gets to the meat of his pique: there are deniers out there: that’s just wrong! And the flow continues in that direction. Dawkins doesn’t pretend to use logic; he uses pejoratives, and that reveals the incredible rational weakness of his position. Despite this flaw he undoubtedly will sell a boatload of books, and the ridicule contained within will no doubt be satisfactory to convince a few others of his keen grip on ontology.

    What is truly a shame about modern schools is not whether they do or do not teach that evolution is truth. What is a shame is that they do not teach the principles of rational discernment. And you can’t get that from Dawkins, either.

  60. on 11 Jun 2013 at 1:39 am 60.alex said …

    what’s that smell? oh, it’s the messenger motherfucker with the goat smell.

    religion is insane because the idiots cherrypick the bible shit they want. that’s why most restauranteers dread the church lunch crowd. rude/cheap motherfuckers, they are, almost universal. all talk, but no deeds. almost all the idiots work on sunday even though the bible says otherwise. this is like the most simplest directive and they can’t even do it. instead, they fuck with this blog like they’re going to convince anybody in here.

  61. on 11 Jun 2013 at 1:47 am 61.alex said …

    58.40 Year Atheist said …

    blabbered with his usual fat laden, nauseating prose. perfect example of insanity. predictably pointing out irrelevant shit while at the same ignoring the shortcomings/bullshittyness of his faith.

    dismissed. again, motherfucker.

  62. on 11 Jun 2013 at 2:30 am 62.Anonymous said …

    Yes, the cowards and liars are out in full force tonight. Yes, we’re looking at you Stan and Horatio.

    Please wake us when you’ve something original, relevant, and oh yes, not full of your usual fucking nonsense.

    Poor Stan. He has to post somewhere where there’s no moderation for fear of having to defend his insane ramblings

  63. on 11 Jun 2013 at 4:33 am 63.The messenger said …

    60.alex, Christians and Jews are not rude or evil, they are honest, kind, and loving people.

    Atheists are the complete opposite.

  64. on 11 Jun 2013 at 4:34 am 64.The messenger said …

    Alex, Atheists have no moral rules. Therefore, they are most likely to become similar to on of the following Atheists/mass murders.Gracchus Babeuf
    Karl Marx
    Friedrich Engels
    Peter Kropotkin
    Rosa Luxemburg
    Karl Liebknecht
    Antonio Gramsci
    Vladimir Lenin
    Leon Trotsky
    Joseph Stalin
    Leonid Brezhnev
    Kim Il-Sung
    Mao Zedong
    Deng Xiaoping
    Ho Chi Minh
    Palmiro Togliatti
    Josip Broz Tito
    Fidel Castro
    Che Guevara

  65. on 11 Jun 2013 at 4:35 am 65.The messenger said …

    Anonymous, your claim of brain washing is crap.
    Many people are converted after they turn 16, therefore this “years of introduction” crap is false.
    Teaching religion at a young age does not create a mental block. The reason that there bond to religion is sometimes stronger when it is taught to them at a young age is because it allows them to learn about the morals of GOD, and they laws of GOD(such as I am the LORD thy God, Thou shalt have no other gods, No graven images or likenesses, Not take the LORD’s name in vain, Remember the sabbath day, Honor thy father and thy mother, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet) so they can decide either to follow GOD, or not.
    GOD’s teachings are not forced on them, they are given a choice to either follow Jesus’s teachings, or not. The choice is their’s.
    Religious education is not brain washing.
    Thomas is brain washing you by fabricating lies and tring to convince you that they are true.

  66. on 11 Jun 2013 at 4:56 am 66.The messenger said …

    The animals that are on the earth in this time period, evolved from the animals on the ark.

    All the creatures (except humans) that were on the ark evolved into different species and continue to evolve.

    The number of species on the ark was very low.

    After the flood, the animals evolved into different creatures and many different species, and over time they eventually evolved into the animals that are on the earth in this time period(2013).

  67. on 11 Jun 2013 at 4:59 am 67.The messenger said …

    Religion provides a set of rules, and moral guidelines that we can either choose to follow, or we can choose to believe in the unproven, irrational theories of science. One of these irrational theories is known as the Big Bang. Ask your self, how could all of the matter in the entire universe fit into a single speck, and how could the universe suddenly appear out of nowhere? There is a answer to this question. Physics is a completely useless field in science. Christianity provides an answer to how the universe was created. GOD made it. The universe cannot just appear by its self. Do you realize how crazy it sounds when someone says that something came from nothing all by its self? Given the odds, it is wise to believe in GOD, due to the fact that life has such a small chance of surviving in the universe, and yet it exists on eath. Do you think that life existing on earth was just a coincidence, or do you believe that someone created us. The answer is clear. We were made by a creater, and his name is Jesus.

  68. on 11 Jun 2013 at 7:04 am 68.Fluttershy said …

    “As you said, ToE is not science, its just a personal preference. Me, I need some significant proof.”

    Never said that it isnt science, but isnt ANYTHING a personal preference?
    Again for proof, rock samples, fossils and genetic mutations should sway into mind.
    But you are too ignorant to get it into your skull, so its a lost cause…

  69. on 11 Jun 2013 at 10:59 am 69.A said …

    40 ya

    It is amazing the lengths some will go to in order to protect the dogma. Still waiting for some facts to truly make ToE a fact.

    Butterfly is the frequency of gamma rays personal preference too? Lol!!

  70. on 11 Jun 2013 at 11:10 am 70.Fluttershy said …

    It can be a personal preference whether or not you believe that the frequency of gamma rays is above 10 exahertz. Obviously it is, but it doesn’t mean you have to believe it is. Same goes for Evolution, all evidence points to it being real, but its a preference that you may not have to believe in.
    Creation of everything ten thousand years ago, by some form of magic sky daddy who is batshit insane and loves killing things because some chick ate an apple, is absurd and deserves the title of insane.

  71. on 11 Jun 2013 at 11:35 am 71.A said …

    “Same goes for Evolution, all evidence points to it being real”

    AWWKKKK! Better luck next time. However, good to see you looked up the frequency of gamma rays. We can measure and verify the frequency of gamma rays. E tu Brute, it actually passes the scientific method. ToE does not as you and mousey have made so clear.

    Read the post from 40ya. You will learn something.

  72. on 11 Jun 2013 at 11:56 am 72.Fluttershy said …

    You point is?

    You believe in magic and criticise a factual theory, if you are going to debate, at-least look at your own damned side.

  73. on 11 Jun 2013 at 12:32 pm 73.A said …

    Seriously? You still can’t understand the point?

    My point is one is backed with observable data that is testable and falsifiable using the scientific method. My next point is you and mousey refuse to produce evidence that will do the same for ToE.

    So? Where is it?

    Challenging me to look at my side is just a diversion. I did it long ago young man and it contains no magic. That would be ToE you believe in.

  74. on 11 Jun 2013 at 1:09 pm 74.Fluttershy said …

    “My point is one is backed with observable data that is testable and falsifiable using the scientific method.”

    Magic…really?…
    So physical evidence is regarded as false and a book written who knows when is like finding a living T rex riding a bike?
    That is absurd…

    “My next point is you and mousey refuse to produce evidence that will do the same for ToE.”

    Already posted it about 4 times, you are too ignorant to even comment on it.

    “Challenging me to look at my side is just a diversion. I did it long ago young man and it contains no magic. That would be ToE you believe in.”

    Ok, please tell me how skydaddy made everything according to the laws of physics, how jesus can walk on water and how water can be transmuted into wine. Hence i need to know your side before anything can go on.
    You well and truly know my side, i want to know yours, so far all i have is magic and god did stuff.

  75. on 11 Jun 2013 at 2:26 pm 75.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    you and mousey refuse to produce evidence that will do the same for ToE.

    OK. We have tried.

    In keeping with the theme of the thread and including a discussion on the Theory of Evolution, let’s look at the evidence and see how the fundy theist mind operates. You have consistently FAILED to have the discussion. How many times do we need to state the evidence before you’ll engage?

    I fully understand it’s an avenue you will not want to go down for fear of looking completely foolish. But at least we’ll see the twists and turns it takes to keep “evil-ution” from personal acceptance. Diversions, fallacies, etc

    Let’s start with the easy stuff:
    You’ve already stated the planet Earth is billions of years old, what did
    you state? 4.6 billion? And we can both agree that no Homo sapiens were around at that time. Correct? Please feel free to state some of your own consensus building evidence as the discussion goes along.

  76. on 11 Jun 2013 at 2:51 pm 76.The messenger said …

    Religion provides a set of rules, and moral guidelines that we can either choose to follow, or we can choose to believe in the unproven, irrational theories of science. One of these irrational theories is known as the Big Bang. Ask your self, how could all of the matter in the entire universe fit into a single speck, and how could the universe suddenly appear out of nowhere? There is a answer to this question. Physics is a completely useless field in science. Christianity provides an answer to how the universe was created. GOD made it. The universe cannot just appear by its self. Do you realize how crazy it sounds when someone says that something came from nothing all by its self? Given the odds, it is wise to believe in GOD, due to the fact that life has such a small chance of surviving in the universe, and yet it exists on eath. Do you think that life existing on earth was just a coincidence, or do you believe that someone created us. The answer is clear. We were made by a creater, and his name is Jesus.,

  77. on 11 Jun 2013 at 5:10 pm 77.A said …

    Mousey, yawn!

    Lets start simple and small. Give us some solid proof. DNA evolved from ________?

    Butterfly,

    stating fields of study is not proof lol!! Are you really this ignorant?

  78. on 11 Jun 2013 at 6:41 pm 78.Anonymous said …

    “a”
    Talking about evidence for evolution and “a” plays the abiogenesis card. The theist mindset in action. Afraid to review the data.

    Meanwhile on the planet Mars,

    “This is water that was probably much more favorable in its chemistry, in its pH, in its level of acidity, for things like prebiotic chemistry — the kind of chemistry that could lead to the origin of life,” Squyres said

    Hmmmm…..now there’s a thread starter discussion on abiogenesis.

    “a”, concentrate and try to stay focused. We’re looking for your interpretation of the scientific data which supposedly backs ToE. (sigh) You have one strike against you now. No more diversions.

  79. on 11 Jun 2013 at 9:45 pm 79.alex said …

    72.Anonymous said …

    you want to take your ass to the motherfucking toe blog?

  80. on 11 Jun 2013 at 10:30 pm 80.Anonymous said …

    alex:

    you want to take your ass to the motherfucking toe blog?

    No. I want to see how the brainwashed theist interprets the scientific data for ToE. Please see the topic of the thread.

  81. on 11 Jun 2013 at 11:57 pm 81.A said …

    Abiogenesis card? LoL!!!

    My interpretation of data? What data? You have yet to provide anything? Would you be referring to Mars water mousey?

    would this request for my interpretation indicate you have nothing to offer? Are you yelling Uncle?

    LoL!!

  82. on 12 Jun 2013 at 12:34 am 82.Anonymous said …

    @80

    What part of “A” is a nasty little troll who has posted here for years under a variety of different names, often concurrently, who calls people names, lies, obstructs, diverts, uses fallacies, taunts people, *deliberately derails conversations*, chases away theists who do want to contribute, demands answers from people, lies voraciously, yet NEVER EVER answers questions asked of him, do you not understand?

  83. on 12 Jun 2013 at 1:01 am 83.A said …

    Did you mean @81?

    Ew, you getting so nasty and frisky!! Lol!!

    Provide some evidence or some proof and we can analyze to see what it implies? Whadda ya think musketeer, can ya handle that?

    Never Ever sounds very familiar? Lou????

    Actually I answered the age of the earth but you failed to live up to your side of the bargain. Will you answer a question now? History says nope!!

  84. on 12 Jun 2013 at 2:23 am 84.Anonymous said …

    From the troll, “a”

    My interpretation of data? What data?

    Strike 2 for “a”.

    Humans did not exist 4 billion years ago? Is that data or a news flash for anyone? Maybe you agree or not. Let’s build a case.

    Human have lived on Earth for how long? Evidence indicates it is for less than ONE MILLION YEARS. How does that data sit with you, “a”? One more strike and you’re outta there, big fella!

    What part of “A” is a nasty little troll

    Hey, relax. He’s almost done. Just need another dodge and the topic of the thread (christian brainwashing) has been proved by “a” himself.

  85. on 12 Jun 2013 at 2:44 am 85.alex said …

    …so we’re trolling for trolls?

  86. on 12 Jun 2013 at 3:10 am 86.Anonymous said …

    …so we’re trolling for trolls?

    I prefer to troll for trout.
    “a” is such a little twit, a prancing git. What a sad miserable life he/she leads. Gauwd is the central component in their shallow death cult existence. Sorry “a”, just calling a spade a spade. LOL!!! Probably just an ex-junkie who decided to get drunk on the lord rather than getting high on the smack.

  87. on 12 Jun 2013 at 3:38 am 87.The messenger said …

    Religion provides a set of rules, and moral guidelines that we can either choose to follow, or we can choose to believe in the unproven, irrational theories of science. One of these irrational theories is known as the Big Bang. Ask your self, how could all of the matter in the entire universe fit into a single speck, and how could the universe suddenly appear out of nowhere? There is a answer to this question. Physics is a completely useless field in science. Christianity provides an answer to how the universe was created. GOD made it. The universe cannot just appear by its self. Do you realize how crazy it sounds when someone says that something came from nothing all by its self? Given the odds, it is wise to believe in GOD, due to the fact that life has such a small chance of surviving in the universe, and yet it exists on eath. Do you think that life existing on earth was just a coincidence, or do you believe that someone created us. The answer is clear. We were made by a creater, and his name is Jesus.,

  88. on 12 Jun 2013 at 9:31 am 88.Fluttershy said …

    “I prefer to troll for trout.
    “a” is such a little twit, a prancing git. What a sad miserable life he/she leads. Gauwd is the central component in their shallow death cult existence. Sorry “a”, just calling a spade a spade. LOL!!! Probably just an ex-junkie who decided to get drunk on the lord rather than getting high on the smack.”

    Mate, its all about the mackerel, dont be a pussy and trout fish, troll for some fish with nasty teeth and grow up to like 100 and something pounds.

  89. on 12 Jun 2013 at 10:47 am 89.A said …

    EW, mousey and Butterfly have ganged up to play bad cop and crazy cop so they will not have to provide evidence for ToE.

    I understand mousey. You are the frustrated mid on the playground who cannot make it in the classroom so you try to make the playground your domain.

    LoL!! What a sad display. Mosey is just another alex when pinned against the wall.

  90. on 12 Jun 2013 at 11:48 am 90.alex said …

    “Religion provides a set of rules, and moral guidelines that we can either choose to follow, or we can choose to believe in the unproven, irrational theories of science.”

    what a dumbass. if zeus were to show up right now, all theists would start raping, killing, and working on the sabbath? oh, wait….

  91. on 12 Jun 2013 at 11:50 am 91.alex said …

    “Mosey is just another alex…”

    you’re right idiot. we both don’t believe in your bullshit god. said before, take your toe shit somewhere else, like, whywonttoehealamputees.com.dumbass.

  92. on 12 Jun 2013 at 12:27 pm 92.Fluttershy said …

    “EW, mousey and Butterfly have ganged up to play bad cop and crazy cop so they will not have to provide evidence for ToE.”

    You know what the term “troll” in fishing means right? O.o

    Anyway, im going to get on topic…

    Why do religions use the fear factor of eternal pain and suffering to be a selling point to unbelievers?
    Surely a loving god wouldn’t make eternal pain and misery something that people who don’t even know who god is (africans)?
    Hence god is some crazy bastard who is reminiscent of a drunk father who beats his kids for sneezing or something…

  93. on 12 Jun 2013 at 12:28 pm 93.The messenger said …

    90.alex, I am referring to the Jewish and Christian GOD(the one true God).

  94. on 12 Jun 2013 at 12:33 pm 94.The messenger said …

    Fear is not used in Christianity.
    We have no reason to fear him, unless we lie, cheat, murder, or steal.
    If we do any of those appalling things that I listed above, we will be punished.
    Tell me, if someone commits murder do you think that they should be punished? Yes they should.
    Tell me, if someone lies do you think they should be punished? They should.
    GOD rewards the good and punishes the bad.
    GOD is fair.

    Hell does not last forever.

    They use the word “eternal” to stress the extremely long amount of time that people spend in hell.
    It is similar to how the word “permanent” is used in the term “permanent markers”. Those markers do not last forever, they just use the word “permanent” to stress how long it lasts.

    P.S. I am not changing the definition you idiot.

  95. on 12 Jun 2013 at 12:42 pm 95.Curmudgeon said …

    I think anonymous has completely gone off his nut.

    I will not answer for all religions because I don’t know. Maybe Fluttershy (strange name) can tell me why atheist follow Buddhism? I doubt it. But some religions warn of the punishment so others can avoid it. Wouldn’t that fall under duh?

  96. on 12 Jun 2013 at 1:01 pm 96.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    mousey and Butterfly have ganged up to play bad cop and crazy cop so they will not have to provide evidence for ToE.

    Striiiike three. You’re outta there, big fella. Who from the Theist Collective will come up to bat next? Interesting that none have come by to support the floundering and now sunk “a”.

    “a” used diversions to stay OFF TOPIC and rabidly protect herself/himself from having to review data and state an opinion. Well played “a”!! LOL!!!! Keep drinking the kool-aid.

    Mate, its all about the mackerel

    Yeah, but what are you gonna do when the coast is so far away? I am an inlander.

    Why do religions use the fear factor of eternal pain and suffering to be a selling point to unbelievers?

    What better way to have complete surrender of your adherents. ALL religions came about due to the BIG QUESTION: Where do we go after death? Homo sapiens are the only creatures concerned and aware of our impending extinctions. Horatio (remember that idiot, “a” sounds a lot like Horatio) signed off with a warning to think of your eternity. Selling fear and stupidity; it’s the realm of myth and religion.

  97. on 12 Jun 2013 at 1:43 pm 97.Fluttershy said …

    “Maybe Fluttershy (strange name) can tell me why atheist follow Buddhism?”

    Atheists dont believe in Buddhism, what are you on?..My name is from a character from the Tv show, My little pony: friendship is magic.

    Anon said
    “Yeah, but what are you gonna do when the coast is so far away? I am an inlander.”

    Troll for some freshwater Cod, or at least some form of Bass, use fly fishing to get them trout ;D more sport in it.

    Away from any diversions

    Fluttershy said…
    Anyway, im going to get on topic…
    Why do religions use the fear factor of eternal pain and suffering to be a selling point to unbelievers?
    Surely a loving god wouldn’t make eternal pain and misery something that people who don’t even know who god is (africans)?
    Hence god is some crazy bastard who is reminiscent of a drunk father who beats his kids for sneezing or something…

  98. on 12 Jun 2013 at 5:09 pm 98.DPK said …

    “Why do religions use the fear factor of eternal pain and suffering to be a selling point to unbelievers?”

    Look, religion are a business. Their purpose is to make money and continue to be in business. Period.
    Now, any good marketing person will tell you that people don’t buy products, they buy solutions to problems. No one “buys” anything unless they are convinced it will do something for them that they want or need.

    So, how do religions sell people on a completely unbelievable bullshit story that someone totally made up… and even more important, give them money?
    Simple, really. You need to create a problem and then sell your religion as the solution. In this case, the idea of eternal torment after you die is something any idiot stupid enough to accept despite the complete lack of evidence that any such thing exists is a “problem” that can only be solved by buying our bullshit religion. Like a good luck charm to ward off bad juju… all you need is a person stupid enough to believe it, and a person unscrupulous enough to sell it to you. And obviously, the world is full of both types of people.

  99. on 12 Jun 2013 at 5:30 pm 99.A said …

    Butterfly,

    Buddhists Are atheists you wild little pony. So is Taoism, Jain among some others. Lol!! You are a funny little pony but I know you are very young and not highly recommended educated.

    This is why I tried to help you out on another thread. You really should deserve judgment on others when you still say such stupid things.

  100. on 12 Jun 2013 at 5:34 pm 100.The messenger said …

    97.DPK, religion is not a business.

    Preists do not charge any money to go to church.

    They do not require anyone to give any money.

    They rely on donations which they use to repaire old churches and help the poor and sick people.

    Jesus stated that you cannot serve money and GOD, therefore money is not what the church is about.

    The Church is about teaching Jesus’s messeges of love, kindness, compassion, humility, generosity, and honesty.

  101. on 12 Jun 2013 at 5:36 pm 101.The messenger said …

    96.Fluttershy, you do not have to be Jewish or Christian to go to heaven.

    You just have to be a kind, loving, honest, humble person.

  102. on 12 Jun 2013 at 6:28 pm 102.Anonymous said …

    all you need is a person stupid enough to believe it, and a person unscrupulous enough to sell it to you. And obviously, the world is full of both types of people.

    There’s a sucker born every minute.

    Having accepted gauwd based on the promise of eternal salvation, the dupe becomes an easy target for hucksters promoting almost any weak agenda. All it needs is some contrived connection to Jayzus. Witness Jonestown, David Koresh, Ku Klux Klan.

  103. on 12 Jun 2013 at 6:45 pm 103.Anonymous said …

    It’s even “better” than that.

    Having created a “problem” of sin then having created a “solution” of salvation/Jesus the mark is then drawn deeper and deeper.

    Things not working out yet? You don’t have enough faith.

    Prayers not answered? Pray more, pray harder, it’s not time. Have faith.

    Whatever the problem, it’s the marks fault.

    They are not worthy, they don’t have enough faith, god is too complex to be understood. But, hey, cough up 10% like a good little boy and when you’re dead, there’s this wonderful place waiting for you. But if you don’t…. then that’s a problem you don’t want.

    It’s really quite an achievement in some respect. The harder someone tries, the more invested they become and the harder it is to admit that they have spent their lives buying snake oil. It’s a wonderful example of brainwashing in action.

    Fortunately, some people do stand back and look at it and say… WTF!

  104. on 12 Jun 2013 at 7:38 pm 104.Anonymous said …

    Prayers not answered? Pray more, pray harder, it’s not time. Have faith.

    No matter the outcome, it’s in the lord’s hands and he gets a free pass. Pray for safe passage home and the bus makes it safely, then your prayer were answered. Pray and the bus ends up crashing, then it’s all part of his plan and the dead are in a BETTER place now.

    Additionally, It’s easy to accept and justify behaviour when you can always pray yourself out of the guilt/responsibility. Murder, rape, incest ….it does not matter. Redemption and forgiveness is but a prayer to Jayzus away. Hey, god knew in advance any questionable action(s) and chose to allow them to happen. So almighty god, by not intervening, approves. It’s part of his plan for us.

  105. on 12 Jun 2013 at 8:58 pm 105.alex said …

    god saved me from the tornado, but nobody knows why all my neighbors are killed, but he saved my motherfucking, righteous, blessed, handpicked ass, but nobody knows about my neighbor….

    thank you xtian god for my winning touchdown. nobody knows why he didn’t let the other team win, but he fucking handpicked this motherfucking team to win even though there are more muslim nutjobs on the team than xtians. nobody knows about god’s plan, but i’m the head fucking translator, so y’all better listen.

    sound brainwashed? damn skippy. remove the cursing and that’s exactly what these morons go on about. what a bunch of fucktards.

    yeah? (protest) but the atheist this, the atheist that…. like it’s relevant to the bullshit.

  106. on 13 Jun 2013 at 12:19 am 106.Anonymous said …

    When you can focus on a natural disaster of epic proportion and basically say “Oh, god,thank you for sending this hurricane which caused over a hundred billion dollars of damage, killed over a thousand people, wrecked three hundred thousand(?) homes but, dear god, in a wonderful display of your love for us, you spared a statue of the virgin Mary”, then you have to have a screw loose.

    That or you are brainwashed.

  107. on 13 Jun 2013 at 12:23 am 107.Fluttershy said …

    A said
    “Butterfly,
    Buddhists Are atheists you wild little pony. So is Taoism, Jain among some others. Lol!! You are a funny little pony but I know you are very young and not highly recommended educated.
    This is why I tried to help you out on another thread. You really should deserve judgment on others when you still say such stupid things.”

    What has Mlp have to do with anything?

    Anyway, im going to get on topic…
    Why do religions use the fear factor of eternal pain and suffering to be a selling point to unbelievers?
    Surely a loving god wouldn’t make eternal pain and misery something that people who don’t even know who god is (africans)?
    Hence god is some crazy bastard who is reminiscent of a drunk father who beats his kids for sneezing or something…

  108. on 13 Jun 2013 at 12:47 am 108.Anonymous said …

    “Oh, god,thank you for sending this hurricane which caused over a hundred billion dollars of damage, killed over a thousand people, wrecked three hundred thousand(?) homes but, dear god, in a wonderful display of your love for us, you spared a statue of the virgin Mary”, then you have to have a screw loose.

    On top of that you’ve got the fringe elements that LOOK FORWARD to and WANT armageddon. Not to mention the some of the more benign sects and groups that speak in tongues, handle snakes, see Jesus in a slice of toast/window pane/ice cube/etc, or try to predict the end of the world (whatever happened to Harold Camping and his crew?)

  109. on 13 Jun 2013 at 1:32 am 109.Anonymous said …

    “see Jesus in a slice of toast”

    Who usually is portrayed with western features despite being from the middle east. Nuts. They are completely nuts.

  110. on 13 Jun 2013 at 1:57 am 110.alex said …

    “see Jesus in a slice of toast”

    why did messenger see jesus on a dogs ass?

  111. on 13 Jun 2013 at 2:33 am 111.A said …

    So French-fry,

    Did you figure out Buddhists are atheists? Why do those nut job atheists embrace such a brainwashed group like Buddhists? They are atheists, they must be sharper than that, yes?

  112. on 13 Jun 2013 at 4:29 am 112.Anonymous said …

    (sigh)”a”

    Did you figure out Buddhists are atheists?

    How did you figure that out? Buddhists are non-theistic and consider god unessential to their religious practices. That does not make them atheists, dumbass. That’s right, god exists but is not important. Does that piss you off, “a”?

  113. on 13 Jun 2013 at 10:39 am 113.A said …

    Buddhism denies the existence of an eternal omnipotent God who is the creator and ordainer of the world.

    Stop denying the brethren Mouse. Embrace the Jains and the Taoist too. Why are these atheists such nut jobs?

  114. on 13 Jun 2013 at 1:16 pm 114.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    Buddha did not claim to have a special relationship with God in fact Buddha did not consider the existence of God to be important.

    From this small quote (and I found numerous others) it does not look like Buddhists are atheists. Took just a little effort to find. “a” has shown the extent of the research and reasoning abilities that the typical xtian theist possesses. Once their myopic vision finds an idea they like, they latch on to it without further investigation or question.

    “a”: You’re ignorant of Buddhism just because it’s not structured like Western religions. Obviously, you are using a set of Jayzus googles to view the world. Perhaps you should pray harder and believe more; presently Jayzus failing you miserably.

  115. on 13 Jun 2013 at 2:47 pm 115.DPK said …

    113.A said …

    “Buddhism denies the existence of an eternal omnipotent God who is the creator and ordainer of the world.”

    So what if it does? All of the other, non-christian religions of the world also deny the existence of YOUR particular god as well. Is this supposed to be a point?

    Your ADD is kicking again A. The topic is “brainwashing” as an important tool in religious belief. You are doing an excellent point of making the case for us. Thank you. Maybe you can explain to us again why you think there is an invisible man who created the universe out of his sheer will and how he loves you and you have a personal relationship with him, and as long as you believe in him and don’t worship any other invisible men, (and aren’t gay, of course) when you die you’ll get to go to a magical kingdom in the sky and live happily ever after for all eternity. How does that go again? Yeah, you’re not the least bit brainwashed, are you?

  116. on 13 Jun 2013 at 3:12 pm 116.The messenger said …

    97.DPK, religion is not a business.
    Preists do not charge any money to go to church.
    They do not require anyone to give any money.
    They rely on donations which they use to repaire old churches and help the poor and sick people.
    Jesus stated that you cannot serve money and GOD, therefore money is not what the church is about.
    The Church is about teaching Jesus’s messeges of love, kindness, compassion, humility, generosity, and honesty.
    ,

  117. on 13 Jun 2013 at 3:18 pm 117.The messenger said …

    105.alex, death is not a bad thing.

    GOD chooses when we will live and when we will die.

    We cannot stay on earth forever.

    Eventually we will all die and go to heaven, so stop complaining and be grateful that he let you live in the fist place. You ungrateful idiot.

  118. on 13 Jun 2013 at 3:25 pm 118.The messenger said …

    106.Anonymous, GOD suffered and died for you, so stop complaining about the bad times in life and start being grateful for the good things in life.

    You are one of the most self centered, ungrateful idiots that I have ever seen. GOD gave you existance and eventually you will be in eternal paridice(heaven), so stop whining like the two year old brat that you are, and start being grateful for the things that GOD gives you.

  119. on 13 Jun 2013 at 3:28 pm 119.The messenger said …

    107.Fluttershy, I mean no offence, but I could not help but wonder why you would choose the name of a little girl’s cartoon?

    Why did you choose that name?

  120. on 13 Jun 2013 at 3:34 pm 120.The messenger said …

    Atheist are like little bratty childeren.

    All they ever do is complain.

    Who cares if your personal possessions get destroyed, or of you get thrown in jail?
    I do not give a crap about you petty problems.

    You people are some of the most self centered, ungrateful idiots that I have ever seen. GOD gave you existance and eventually you will be in eternal paridice(heaven), so stop whining like the two year old brats that you are, and start being grateful for the things that GOD gives you.

  121. on 13 Jun 2013 at 3:48 pm 121.Fluttershy said …

    DPK, dont forget that if you are gay, or believe in other invisible men, you will go to a place of fire and eternal suffering xD
    Cos god is nice like that.

  122. on 13 Jun 2013 at 3:57 pm 122.Anonymous said …

    dont forget that if you are gay, or believe in other invisible men, you will go to a place of fire and eternal suffering

    Also, you need to believe in the RIGHT christian invisible man. Note that there are numerous sects of christianity; they can’t all be right. Because xtians cannot agree on the particulars for the invisible man, the majority of xtians will be hellbound along with us nasty atheists and Buddhists and, of course, Solomon and all of his Muslim adherents.

  123. on 13 Jun 2013 at 5:01 pm 123.DPK said …

    Yes, and the all loving invisible man who loves you and wants to have a personal relationship with you has set it up so that which invisible man YOU happen to worship is largely an accident of birth, which of course he determined, and since the majority of the people in the world happen to be born in places where they would be raised to believe in the wrong invisible man, the benevolent creator has predestined the majority of all the people who ever lived, through no fault of their own, to an eternity of indescribable torment…. but he loves you.
    Yeah, that doesn’t take brainwashing to believe, does it?

  124. on 13 Jun 2013 at 6:02 pm 124.Anonymous said …

    Yet others say that only 144,000 faithful will go to heaven. Those that believe that are as convinced that they are right as others think they are wrong.

    In a strange quirk of fate. The group that thinks the 144,000 number is wrong, would say that the JW’s are brainwashed and a cult.

    Christians, apparently, lack the capability for self-reflection.

    Christians, please tell us. How can you have so many different denominations (Wiki gives a number of 41,000) and yet still think that your own, personalized version, of such a large number is correct? Doesn’t that give you pause for thought at all?

  125. on 13 Jun 2013 at 6:08 pm 125.A said …

    “Your ADD is kicking again A. The topic is “brainwashing” as an important tool in religious belief.”

    I know. Why do those nut job atheists embrace such a brainwashed group like Buddhists? They are atheists, they must be sharper than that, yes?

    I will not claim all variants of Buddhism are atheist, but I do know the prevalent form in Thailand and Myanmar is atheistic. Whats up with those nuts French Fry and DPK? What about the Jains and Taoist?

  126. on 13 Jun 2013 at 6:13 pm 126.Anonymous said …

    And, of course, there are those that freely move between different denominations because of a personal preference for what that groups preaches and believes.

    How on earth could that ever be the way to find the “one true way”?

    “Hey, Mr Policeman, I’d prefer to believe that the speed limit is 67 and not 55. After all, I really, really, really, want to believe that its true and I’m convinced that speed limits should be specified in Octal (base 8). So it really, really, really, is 67 in my reality and in my Truth. So that’s OK. Right?”

  127. on 13 Jun 2013 at 7:15 pm 127.Curmudgeon said …

    There are also forms of Hindu and of course Raelians are atheist in nature.

  128. on 13 Jun 2013 at 7:25 pm 128.DPK said …

    And, by “A”‘s brainwashed version of reasoning, because Buddhists are atheist or agnostic, therefore all atheists “embrace” Buddhism. His alter ego Crum chimes in to add Hindus (a polytheistic religion) and what?? Raelians???
    I am none of those things. I will wager there are also (gasp… dare I say it, A?) Republicans that are atheist as well… does that mean we atheists universally “embrace” Republicans?
    See how dysfunctional your brain becomes when you embrace dogmatic thinking boys and girls? Religion is a drug, no doubt.
    And Crum… remember ALL the other non-christian religions (which are a majority, by the way) are atheistic with regard to YOUR god… so I ask again, do you have a point? Or perhaps you are just regurgitating your own nonsense so as not to choke on it?

  129. on 13 Jun 2013 at 7:29 pm 129.DPK said …

    And you forgot to mention (once again) the 21% of atheists who believe in god. Don’t think that little pearl of utter stupidity has been forgotten.
    You are indeed an endless fountain of evidence of religious brainwashing. Thanks so much for making our case for us.

    Here is a hint for you “A”… when you dig yourself into a hole… step one is to stop digging.

  130. on 13 Jun 2013 at 7:56 pm 130.Anonymous said …

    So, Crum, “A”, stop dancing around and tell us.

    Out of all the different denominations and such, please demonstrate to us the process by which you selected your particular version of Christianity as being the true one.

    Also, explain to us, just why are there 41,000 different Christian denominations? Doesn’t that suggest that your holy book is a bit of a mess if it is that open to interpretation?

  131. on 13 Jun 2013 at 8:12 pm 131.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    I will not claim all variants of Buddhism are atheist

    Really? I note that your position has slightly modified now that “not all variants of Buddhism” are atheistic. Why? Have you done some (gasp) personal research? Thought for yourself?

    Maybe you can clarify, since you seem an expert on religions (and christianity in particular), why there are so many variants of Christianity? Seems the “perfect word” should be something that would be easy to understand. Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Oh, and thanks for mentioning the Raelians. Another classic example of how to blindly accept dogma and NOT THINK – just like any sheep, just like typical christians. Yes, Raelians are brainwashed also.

  132. on 13 Jun 2013 at 8:17 pm 132.A said …

    Crum Raelians is a good one. I forgot about those whack jobs since their love child.

    why are there so many religious denominations under atheism? Then we just have the regular atheist church and many atheist who just attend the Universalist church. How do you guys decide or are all of these atheists just brainwashed?

  133. on 13 Jun 2013 at 8:21 pm 133.The messenger said …

    122.Anonymous, you can go to heaven even if you do not believe in GOD.

    The only requirements for heaven are kindness, love, compassion, forgiveness, and humility.

    GOD does not hate homosexual people, he only dislikes gay sex.

  134. on 13 Jun 2013 at 8:23 pm 134.The messenger said …

    Most of the Christian churches have Olmsted the same iterperetation of the bible, there are only a few differences between them.

  135. on 13 Jun 2013 at 8:24 pm 135.The messenger said …

    Most of the Christian churches have almost the same iterperetation of the bible, there are only a few differences between them.

  136. on 13 Jun 2013 at 8:26 pm 136.The messenger said …

    126.Anonymous, that is the most idiotic exude for a scenario that I have ever heard.

  137. on 13 Jun 2013 at 8:28 pm 137.The messenger said …

    Atheist are like little bratty childeren.
    All they ever do is complain.
    Who cares if your personal possessions get destroyed, or of you get thrown in jail?
    I do not give a crap about you petty problems.
    You people are some of the most self centered, ungrateful idiots that I have ever seen. GOD gave you existance and eventually you will be in eternal paridice(heaven), so stop whining like the two year old brats that you are, and start being grateful for the things that GOD gives you.,

  138. on 13 Jun 2013 at 8:29 pm 138.The messenger said …

    106.Anonymous, GOD suffered and died for you, so stop complaining about the bad times in life and start being grateful for the good things in life.
    You are one of the most self centered, ungrateful idiots that I have ever seen. GOD gave you existance and eventually you will be in eternal paridice(heaven), so stop whining like the two year old brat that you are, and start being grateful for the things that GOD gives you.
    ,

  139. on 13 Jun 2013 at 9:31 pm 139.DPK said …

    “why are there so many religious denominations under atheism?”

    Careful Assman… your desperation is showing again.
    Like I said, when you dig yourself into a hole… stop digging. Having to resort to redefining words in order to make your delusion look less insane constitutes digging.
    hahahahaha.
    You’re such a sad excuse….
    Next? Any other good christians care to tackle the problem A runs away from at full speed? Why are there over 41 THOUSAND denominations of the “one true word”?

    Beuller, Beuller…?

  140. on 13 Jun 2013 at 9:53 pm 140.The messenger said …

    139.DPK, Most of the Christian churches have almost the same iterperetation of the bible, there are only a few differences between them.

  141. on 13 Jun 2013 at 11:17 pm 141.DPK said …

    “Note that there are numerous sects of christianity; they can’t all be right. ”

    True, but they CAN all be wrong! Curious that assCrum focuses on Buddhists, while ignoring atheistic Christians and Jews.
    What do you say Ass, can you be a Christian and not believe in god?
    http://www.seanet.com/~realistic/christian.html

  142. on 14 Jun 2013 at 1:21 am 142.alex said …

    “why are there so many religious denominations under atheism?”

    …no matter how many times you say it, it’ll still be bullshit, you dumbfuck. atheists do not believe in your shit god and that’s fact.

    get it thru your brainwashed head. other stuff that other atheists believe in doesn’t define atheism, dumbshit. but all you xtian assholes MUST believe in most of the bible bullshit. of course, some of you clowns pathetically discount/interpret some of the biblical shit. the many religious permutations just confirms the bullshitiness that is the bible. messenger, case in point.

  143. on 14 Jun 2013 at 2:09 am 143.The messenger said …

    141.alex, you little bratty child, just answer the question.

    You coward.

  144. on 14 Jun 2013 at 5:26 am 144.Anonymous said …

    Come on folks… you must have had a good reason for your 1 in 41,000 choice of the true version of Xtianity. It’s an important choice – so you keep telling us. The wrong choice being a path to hell.

    The alternative to not having made a rational decision as to which path to continue to follow would be that you simply accepted it due to it being drummed into you. That, of course, would be brainwashing.

    So, lets hear it. Rational explanation for your choice versus silence as an admission of having been brainwashed and you’ve never explored if the other 41,000 minus 1 versions might have actually been the true path.

  145. on 14 Jun 2013 at 8:44 am 145.Fluttershy said …

    A said.
    “I know. Why do those nut job atheists embrace such a brainwashed group like Buddhists? They are atheists, they must be sharper than that, yes?”

    Please learn the definition of Atheist and then come back, thanks ;D

  146. on 14 Jun 2013 at 2:47 pm 146.Curmudgeon said …

    “Please learn the definition of Atheist and then come back, thanks ;D”

    I order to stay true to the progression of the topic, let me just plead as Fluttersy,

    Please learn the definition of theist and then come back, thanks ;D

    When the atheist are willing to share why they have rejected the variants of atheism and chose the one true path, as a theist I will do the same.

  147. on 14 Jun 2013 at 3:20 pm 147.DPK said …

    “Please learn the definition of theist and then come back, thanks ;D”

    Try to stay with us now Crum. The question at hand isn’t about theism in the braod sense… it was about Christians in the specific.

    If Christianity is the true path to the one true god, why are there 41 thousand DIFFERENT sects of Christianity, many of which disagree with each other significantly.

    Forget theism, we want to know why you picked your particular flavor of Christianity over the 40,999 (+ or -) others that are also offering the “true word of god”, but happens to be a different “true word” than yours. It’s very telling that once again you faithful believers refuse to answer a simple question about your faith. What are you afraid of?

  148. on 14 Jun 2013 at 4:02 pm 148.A said …

    DPK my “flavor” was picked by the same means you picked your flavor of atheism. What are you?

    strong
    Weak
    Buddhist
    Taoism
    Jain
    Raelian
    Hindu

    whadda ya have Depak?

  149. on 14 Jun 2013 at 4:40 pm 149.Anonymous said …

    Cur

    share why they have rejected the variants of atheism and chose the one true path, as a theist I will do the same.

    I define myself as an atheist. I am atheist due to the lack of evidence that any god exists. I apply the same reasoning in dismissing the existence of Laser wielding space aliens/extraterrestrials/Santa Claus/Tooth Fairy/Ogopogo/and numerous other entities. Maybe I could also be labelled a skeptic, if you wish.

    What is it with “a” ? How many times must it be explained that Buddhists are NOT atheists. Xtian brainwashing in action? Poly-theistic Hindus thrown in the mix now. “a” your motto in life must be “colour me stupid”.

  150. on 14 Jun 2013 at 4:52 pm 150.DPK said …

    “DPK my “flavor” was picked by the same means you picked your flavor of atheism. What are you?”

    I’m a scuba diving atheist. I’m also a non-vegetarian atheist… we love animals because they are very tasty. Does 2 things count? Let’s see what other atheist cults I belong to… I drive an American made car, so I’m obviously a “made in the USA” atheist. I play an instrument, so that makes me a musical atheist. I pay my taxes, so that makes me a taxpayer atheist. I’ll bet you are maybe a part of some of these cults too, perhaps?

    I came to my “flavor” of atheism when I was about 14, sitting in church, looking at all the statues, smelling the burning incense, and listening to people mindless receipt prayers and hymns. I was thinking about how the stories the priest was telling me about god simply didn’t fit with reality when it dawned on me that the reason was because it was all a bunch of made up bullshit. Exactly why YOU think of all the OTHER religions that you don’t believe in, but millions of people do.

    So that’s how I came to choose my “brand” of atheism. All the rest? Gotta tell you, it’s pretty much inconsequential. Fact is, the ONLY thing any atheist must by definition have in common with any other atheist is the realization that god is imaginary. That’s it.

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal? Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good? Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood? Is using birth control a sin? Does Jesus cry when you masturbate? Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden? Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better? Is it ok to be gay?
    These are all questions that Christians, reading the same bible and learning the same lessons that Jesus taught, disagree strongly about. They can’t all be right. Which one are you, and how do you know that you are right and they are wrong, without being brainwashed, that is?

  151. on 14 Jun 2013 at 5:14 pm 151.A said …

    I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas. I manage time efficiently.

    Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row. I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing. I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook 30-minute brownies in 20 minutes.
    I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru.

    I play bluegrass cello. I was scouted by the Mets. I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I’m bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after work, I repair electrical appliances free of charge.

    My sharp sense of science and my undeniable acceptance of logic has led me to an inevitable life of theism. I refuse to let others do my thinking and I question all dogmas thrust upon me to the void.

    I also know that forms of Hinduism and Buddhism are atheistic in nature and still question why some atheists refuse to accept them as their own dogma? Fact is, the ONLY thing any theist must by definition have in common with any other theist is the realization that there is a God.

  152. on 14 Jun 2013 at 6:59 pm 152.Anonymous said …

    “a” The cut and paste king!!! How original.

  153. on 14 Jun 2013 at 7:10 pm 153.A said …

    Lol!! Well as much as I like being your king I must decline!!

    Got a handle on how you chose your version of atheism? Why don’t you attend church with other atheists?

  154. on 14 Jun 2013 at 7:19 pm 154.DPK said …

    “A” again dodges the direct questions… and he’s not brainwashed. Why are you always so afraid to answer? I gave you an honest answer.

    Let’s make it simple, if a fellow theist denies the existence of YOUR god… is he still a theist? Will any god at all do? How about the flying spaghetti monster? If I profess a belief in him, that makes me a theist of sorts, so I’m a-ok in your book?

    On what basis to you reject Hinduism and Buddhism in favor of whatever ism you subscribe to?

  155. on 14 Jun 2013 at 7:30 pm 155.Anonymous said …

    At least DPK’s entry was original AND (likely) REAL.
    “a” continues to dance and troll. The theist’s lot in life (sigh!). Unable to commit to a position for fear of looking ever more stupid than just being a fundy Jayzus adherent.

  156. on 14 Jun 2013 at 8:00 pm 156.A said …

    Lol!! I am dodging? No, I am using the exact same tactic you use. You refuse to answer why you reject atheist religions. Why should I play into your silliness? You must give to get.

    Mousey, you are king of Never Ever answering a question.

  157. on 14 Jun 2013 at 9:21 pm 157.DPK said …

    It’s because your question is absurd… “why do you reject atheist religions” is like asking, “what is the angle of a corner of a circle?” There is no such thing as an atheist religion, despite your rather pathological need to think so. A “religion” is “the service or worship of god or the supernatural”. Atheism is simply the rejection of the belief in gods.
    The only thing I “reject” is your contention that you have an invisible friend who is omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent. Why do I reject that idea? Because there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that such a thing exists, and despite endless months of your meaningless diversions, you have yet to provide even one single reason for us to believe it does.
    Once again Ass… busted.

  158. on 14 Jun 2013 at 9:28 pm 158.DPK said …

    And Ass… I have alluded before that I profess a belief in an inter-dimensional sea turtle that farted the universe into existence. In your book, that then makes me a theist.
    Why do you reject the sea turtle and all the other religions of the world, as well as the 39,999 + christian denominations that you think don’t have it right?
    Surely you have a reason??? Did god speak to you, like he does to the messenger, and tell you who’s got it right? Is that it? Or maybe an angel told you, or perhaps you saw the answer in a frozen waterfall….. the world wants to know how you know…. you not telling us is not very Christ-like of you.
    Come on… tell us. I promise no one here will think any less of you.

  159. on 14 Jun 2013 at 9:44 pm 159.alex said …

    ‘DPK my “flavor” was picked by the same means you picked your flavor of atheism. What are you?’

    you dumbfuck. there’s no picking. the “a” in atheism means the opposite of theism. your brainwashing is deep, motherfucker. the only atheist about a buddhist is his non belief in your bullshit god. the other shit you keep bringing up is your continuous lame and failed attempt to divert from your laughable delusion. what idiotic statements are you gonna say next? neanderthals were atheists? that’s why they got no morals?

    fuck you and the rest of your 41,000 versions of theisms.

  160. on 14 Jun 2013 at 10:31 pm 160.Curmudgeon said …

    Notice how DPK has “redefined” atheism to include supernatural. Completely untrue and only a means to cya. There are many atheist who believe in some sort of life force. DPK is caught in yet another lie.

  161. on 14 Jun 2013 at 10:33 pm 161.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    Lol!! I am dodging

    And the beat goes on and on and on…..

  162. on 14 Jun 2013 at 10:45 pm 162.A said …

    Oh Depak, you keep selling yourself the delusion that Taoism, Jain, Buddhism, forms of Hinduism Raelins (my favorite)and atheist churches, ministers do not exist. All atheist and willing to have you. It is how your deluded minds get you through the day.

    And lying as you have is the lowest of low. You think quite a bit of yourself to redefine atheism for the entire atheist believing community. Shameful!

    :)

  163. on 14 Jun 2013 at 10:53 pm 163.DPK said …

    No crum, why can’t you ever speak without lying. My definition of “religion” comes from mr Webster. My definition of atheist was “rejection of belief in gods.”
    Now, unless you care to make a distinction between gods that are supernatural and gods that are not, then nothing has been “redefined”.
    You can’t even lie without fucking it all up, can you?

    “There are many atheists who believe in some sort of life force.”
    Idiot, there are many theists who believe the story of Noah and the ark is actually true. That doesn’t change the definition of “theist”, does it?

  164. on 14 Jun 2013 at 11:03 pm 164.alex said …

    it’s that fucked up latching mechanism. they hear some shit and they all latch on like it’s some kind of fucking crusade. atheists believe in some kind of god, atheists believe in a life force, atheists believe in abiogenesis, atheists are liberals, and they are all fucked up, therefore theists are #1. it doesn’t matter if it’s all bullshit. like the bullcrap god, it’s easy to believe, no matter how shaytty. that’s why we’re now arguing about the definition of theists and atheists. fuck this.

  165. on 14 Jun 2013 at 11:04 pm 165.DPK said …

    So ass is simply not going to tell us how he knows his path to god is the correct one, despite thousands of alternate choices. And his reason? Because some Buddhists are atheistic or agnostic.
    Make sense to you?

    Yeah, me neither…. But he is NOT brainwashed, no sir, not at all.

    It’s so much fun to watch them do their little chicken dance and they don’t even realize they are proving your point for you!

    Next?

  166. on 14 Jun 2013 at 11:50 pm 166.Anonymous said …

    Next?

    “a” is one strike six already.

    Where’s Castbound, Martin, Xenon, and others from the Theist Collective? What do they say? Probably still smarting after asking folks to look up the “father of the human genome” LOL!!! That was epic failure.

  167. on 15 Jun 2013 at 12:21 am 167.Curmudgeon said …

    A,

    DPK thinks by adding supernatural to the definition he can remove religions without a god from the category of atheism. He is now exposed and is now off his nut.

  168. on 15 Jun 2013 at 1:59 am 168.alex said …

    fine, i’ll play. atheism includes all the other nut jobs that believe in gods other than the xtian one, ok? allah, the numerous hindu gods, buddhist gods, and the other many gods are all bullshit. even the fictional unnamed god that atheists supposedly believe in, is totally bullshit.

    now, how in the fuck does this refute your brainwashed delusion in your bullshit god? see, how your lame attempt at diversion is easily rebuked and cast aside?

    moron.

  169. on 15 Jun 2013 at 2:14 am 169.Anonymous said …

    alex

    i’ll play. atheism includes all the other nut jobs that believe in gods other than the xtian one, ok?

    Yep, the delusion of the theists on this blog is impressive in it’s depth. Wonder what drugs may have lead these upstanding citizens to their present states of stupor? They’re either brain damaged or brainwashed.

  170. on 15 Jun 2013 at 2:45 am 170.Anonymous said …

    What “a” and Curmudgeon are showing here is that they have been so conditioned to think in terms of beliefs and faith that they cannot function in this world without it.

    Hence their need to project their own insecurities onto other people and, in particular, those that haven’t been brainwashed into believing in the existence of their particular imaginary friends.

    The more the not-so-dynamic duo try to be cute with their evasions and dodges the more they cement the proposition under discussion. It’s clear that their inability to provide even basic answers to their delusional beliefs comes as a result of years of brainwashing and reinforcement from the church.

    At this point “a”s hole is dug so deep it’s a wonder that he’s able to post at all.

  171. on 15 Jun 2013 at 2:51 am 171.Fluttershy said …

    So, back on topic after the discussion of Buddhists and stuff.

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

  172. on 15 Jun 2013 at 3:10 am 172.Anonymous said …

    Fluttershy

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Because he loves you that much!!! Same god wiped out all life on the planet, save for a few on a rickety boat, in a hissy fit of pent up anger. That was also out of love. It’s all about LOVE. He even may ask a parent to murder their son, but only out of LOVE. Can’t you see, are you blind?

    Hitler, a good catholic boy, is in heaven. Mahatma Gandhi, a peace loving Hindu, is suffering for eternity in HELL. It’s LOVE!!!

  173. on 15 Jun 2013 at 3:35 am 173.A said …

    LoL!! Wow!! Watching the rants of a crazy cult is quite entertaing. You know…..how the vast majority is crazy and they are the only sane ones on the planet!! Then there is crazy Uncle Alex the family keeps the kids away from.

    Find peace within the family boys. You obviously will never examine yourselves for the nut jobs you are. Well……maybe after you mature some.

  174. on 15 Jun 2013 at 3:52 am 174.DPK said …

    Once again, a chimes in without answering any of the dozen or so direct questions he has been asked, and resorts to the tired and fallacious argument from majority! How sad, especially when we once again have to point out to his sad ass that the MAJORITY of the people in the world do not believe in HIS god and the majority think he has it completely wrong and will be spending eternity in hell for worshiping the false god, Jesus.
    How tragic for him if he is right that majority makes right.
    Take hope though ass man, the majority has been 100% wrong, historically, about almost everything. So there is a chance for you, perhaps… But for your critical thinking skills, not so much.

  175. on 15 Jun 2013 at 6:49 am 175.Fluttershy said …

    So, After A comes in without answering anything…
    Lets get back on topic…
    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

  176. on 15 Jun 2013 at 6:57 am 176.Anonymous said …

    So there is a chance for you, perhaps…

    Except there really isn’t.

    “a” has yet to give a coherent explanation of why he chose his religion out of the approximately 4,200 existing today. Those are not good odds when you consider his “choice” is simply what has become inculcated, rather than rational.

    He also hasn’t been able to provide an answer why he rejects thousands of other “gods” in favor of his.

    And, of course, he’s running full-tit in the opposite direction when asked to justify his particular brand of Christianity over the 41,000 he has to choose from.

    So, no, there is little to no chance that he has been force-fed the one true path. Ironically, were gods to exist, people like “a” would be the ones that deliberately didn’t look to find out which path was correct. There’s is the greater failing. The path to hell, if you like.

    It’s sad, but until “a” and his alter-egos can shed the results of their brainwashing, they are going to waste much energy to avoid facing the actual reason they believe what they do. But, then, it would hardly be effective brainwashing were it to crumble that easy.

  177. on 15 Jun 2013 at 11:38 am 177.alex said …

    “Then there is crazy Uncle Alex the family keeps the kids away from.”

    au contraire, motherfucker. i’m the one that tells the kids to stay away from the xtian, family perverts. even though most of the kids in my family go to church, almost all don’t believe in a bullshit god. these atheist kids lead regular lives just like your xtian, brainwashed counterparts. unlike you, you dumbfuck, it’s not too late for them. i’m hopeful that the internet and other knowledge tools will get them over. looking at their facebook walls, i can already see it. somebody says “blessed” and guffaws, retorts, and objections breaks out. your days are numbered, you shit.

    now, go switch tabs because your xtian babes are done loading.

    you refer to me as alex while you post anonymously?

  178. on 15 Jun 2013 at 1:22 pm 178.The messenger said …

    Atheists are like little bratty childeren.
    All they ever do is complain.
    Who cares if your personal possessions get destroyed, or of you get thrown in jail?
    I do not give a crap about you petty problems.
    You people are some of the most self centered, ungrateful idiots that I have ever seen. GOD gave you existance and eventually you will be in eternal paridice(heaven), so stop whining like the two year old brats that you are, and start being grateful for the things that GOD gives you.,

  179. on 15 Jun 2013 at 2:02 pm 179.Fluttershy said …

    A said
    “173.A said …
    LoL!! Wow!! Watching the rants of a crazy cult is quite entertaing. You know…..how the vast majority is crazy and they are the only sane ones on the planet!! Then there is crazy Uncle Alex the family keeps the kids away from.
    Find peace within the family boys. You obviously will never examine yourselves for the nut jobs you are. Well……maybe after you mature some.”

    Nice on(off) topic diversion you got there…

    Lets get back on topic…
    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Im amazed as the lack of ANY answered via theists…

  180. on 15 Jun 2013 at 2:56 pm 180.40 Year Atheist said …

    The basics of the argument go like this (or variations of this): evil exists; a deity could stop it but doesn’t; therefore the deity is either evil or doesn’t exist; most likely the deity doesn’t exist. There are lots of offshoots that discuss omnipotence, omniscience, free will and so forth, but the basics remain pretty much the same.

    For Christmas I received a book documenting a debate between two scholars on the existence of a deity.

    As I sometimes do, I read the frontispiece of a book and then go to the back to see if an index contains items that interest me. In this particular book the Atheist participant claims up front that his 8 year old son was brilliant enough to develop his own argument from evil; at the back of the book he claims that while Materialism might be a shaky position, the argument from evil is solid and irrefutable.

    Simultaneously with receiving the book, the argument from the perspective of evil has arisen on other blogs, with the proponents confident that the argument is absolutely insurmountable and is concrete proof that there is no deity.

    The argument from evil seems to be even more persuasive to Atheo-materialists than either the flying spaghetti monster/ orbiting teapot argument or the who-made-God argument. The argument has several aspects to be addressed:

    1. Atheists are more moral than God.
    2. Atheists are more omniscient than God.
    3. Omnibenevolence is a lacking characteristic, yet necessary of a God.
    4. Earth as a protected playground, a requirement of a God.

    Some questions arise quite naturally from this. First, what are the standards for morality that are being used? Next, what evidence is produced that supports the claims? Are the claims coherent using standard logic? Do the claims in fact prove what they purport to prove?

    1.Declaring that God is immoral presents an immediate cognitive dissonance. Since Atheists do not accept any morality as absolute, much less binding, they are certainly stretching credibility by declaring that God is immoral, especially by their standards. Most Atheists admit that there are no absolute moral standards common to all Atheists. So there is no standard by which to judge a deity, other than his own standard.

    To claim that Atheists – if they were God – would not allow mass murder is absurd, given the history as recent as the last century which was drenched in Atheist bloodbaths. To claim that Atheists would not allow suffering, rape, torture, etc ad nauseum, is equally absurd. Atheists cannot be more moral than anyone, period. They have no common morality from which to make that claim. And their history belies their claim, in spades. Evidence for Atheist morality is contrary to the assertion made or implied by the argument from evil.

    But more to the point, a deity in possession of the roots of morality cannot be faulted for whatever he chooses to do, since his morality is his decision. He cannot be immoral by his standards, since he created the standards for humans, not for himself. For the deity, morality is tautological. The claims made by the argument from evil are not logically coherent.

    By the way, this is the exact position taken by Atheists, who feel they are moral. They cannot fail to be moral by their standards, since they invent the standards to suit their own convenience: they are moral by their own definition, not by any absolute standard. This argument for Atheist morality fails even amongst other Atheists whose standards differ, person to person; the morality is relative to the individual, and so is not morality at all. It is just behavior being justified with words conjured in its favor. This position is not coherent.

    But back to God. If God commands one thing, then countermands that command for specific situations, is that hypocrisy as Atheists charge? The deity in charge of the roots of morality cannot be a hypocrite. It is a definitional pot hole into which the Atheist’s argument disappears.

    As for material proof, are natural disasters, diseases, pain and suffering immoral in and of themselves? These are the material manifestations that are found objectionable by the argument from evil. But these material objects and actions are not evil, they just are. They have no motivations, no evil objectives. Even evil people are not evidence of an evil deity unless they are puppets of that deity; and the puppet theory is transparently false.

    The lack of standards, evidence, coherence and material proof contradict the presumed validity of the argument from evil. But there is more.

    2. By claiming to know more than a deity about what is Right For Mankind, the Atheist is asserting a superior omniscience to that of the deity in question. Need I say more about such a fallacy? OK, I will say this: Philosophical Materialism is the opposite of omniscience. The act of denying a deity does not add either knowledge or wisdom to an individual. It artificially constricts knowledge to material objects and actions, while denying subjective space experiences.

    3. The primary rationalized disconnect in the argument from evil is the concept of omnibenevolence. This position maintains that because I don’t like certain aspects of living in the material world, the deity SHOULD NOT have allowed those aspects to exist. In fact the Atheist, if promoted to the position of the deity, would have eliminated all such discomforts from the world. This includes such things as natural disasters, disease, predators, entropy, aging, death and other unpleasantness. Obviously any deity that would allow such nasty obstacles to complete happiness for each human cannot be any good. Any really good deity would grant every wish and remove all unpleasantness from our experiences: no stubbed toes, no scraped knees, no burnt fingers; only pleasantness would occupy our days. So from this the Atheist concludes that no deity exists, since the world does not conform to the Atheist’s standards and specifications for a deity. No omnibenevolence, no deity.

    As any parent knows, omnibenevolence is a sure path to creating a totally selfish, self-centered offspring, one that demands ever more since happiness is so elusive when sought in material things. The inability of the recipient to become happy even when awash in material goods results in resentment of the provider, and ultimately in separation and hatred by the recipient who feels denied of real happiness and blames it on the provider. Omnibenevolence is an evil itself. Demanding omnibenevolence from a “good” deity is irrational.

    4. Even in the face of the evil of omnibenevolence, Atheists claim that a moral deity would not allow any consequences for bad decisions. This has been called the “perfectly protected playground”, where the deity cushions all falls and no one ever learns how not to fall in the first place.

    The argument from evil ties-in perfectly with humanism, which requires happiness as the ultimate good. Not the happiness of the individual, mind you, but the generalized happiness of the bulk of mankind. In fact, individual happiness is to be sacrificed for that of overall mankind. It is this sacrifice, it is claimed paradoxically, that provides happiness to the individual. Humanism has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of millions of humans, all for the good of mankind. Humanism is one of the worst evils visited upon this planet; it is directly connected to Atheism, and is justified by the argument from evil.

    The argument from evil, is itself, evil. It is illogical, and it is false

  181. on 15 Jun 2013 at 2:59 pm 181.40 Year Atheist said …

    The fundamentals of the argument from evil go like this: evil exists; a deity could stop it but doesn’t; therefore the deity is either evil or doesn’t exist; most likely the deity doesn’t exist. There are lots of offshoots that discuss omnipotence, omniscience, free will and so forth, but the basics remain pretty much the same.

    For Christmas I received a book documenting a debate between two scholars on the existence of a deity.

    As I sometimes do, I read the frontispiece of a book and then go to the back to see if an index contains items that interest me. In this particular book the Atheist participant claims up front that his 8 year old son was brilliant enough to develop his own argument from evil; at the back of the book he claims that while Materialism might be a shaky position, the argument from evil is solid and irrefutable.

    Simultaneously with receiving the book, the argument from the perspective of evil has arisen on other blogs, with the proponents confident that the argument is absolutely insurmountable and is concrete proof that there is no deity.

    The argument from evil seems to be even more persuasive to Atheo-materialists than either the flying spaghetti monster/ orbiting teapot argument or the who-made-God argument. The argument has several aspects to be addressed:

    1. Atheists are more moral than God.
    2. Atheists are more omniscient than God.
    3. Omnibenevolence is a lacking characteristic, yet necessary of a God.
    4. Earth as a protected playground, a requirement of a God.

    Some questions arise quite naturally from this. First, what are the standards for morality that are being used? Next, what evidence is produced that supports the claims? Are the claims coherent using standard logic? Do the claims in fact prove what they purport to prove?

    1.Declaring that God is immoral presents an immediate cognitive dissonance. Since Atheists do not accept any morality as absolute, much less binding, they are certainly stretching credibility by declaring that God is immoral, especially by their standards. Most Atheists admit that there are no absolute moral standards common to all Atheists. So there is no standard by which to judge a deity, other than his own standard.

    To claim that Atheists – if they were God – would not allow mass murder is absurd, given the history as recent as the last century which was drenched in Atheist bloodbaths. To claim that Atheists would not allow suffering, rape, torture, etc ad nauseum, is equally absurd. Atheists cannot be more moral than anyone, period. They have no common morality from which to make that claim. And their history belies their claim, in spades. Evidence for Atheist morality is contrary to the assertion made or implied by the argument from evil.

    But more to the point, a deity in possession of the roots of morality cannot be faulted for whatever he chooses to do, since his morality is his decision. He cannot be immoral by his standards, since he created the standards for humans, not for himself. For the deity, morality is tautological. The claims made by the argument from evil are not logically coherent.

    By the way, this is the exact position taken by Atheists, who feel they are moral. They cannot fail to be moral by their standards, since they invent the standards to suit their own convenience: they are moral by their own definition, not by any absolute standard. This argument for Atheist morality fails even amongst other Atheists whose standards differ, person to person; the morality is relative to the individual, and so is not morality at all. It is just behavior being justified with words conjured in its favor. This position is not coherent.

    But back to God. If God commands one thing, then countermands that command for specific situations, is that hypocrisy as Atheists charge? The deity in charge of the roots of morality cannot be a hypocrite. It is a definitional pot hole into which the Atheist’s argument disappears.

    As for material proof, are natural disasters, diseases, pain and suffering immoral in and of themselves? These are the material manifestations that are found objectionable by the argument from evil. But these material objects and actions are not evil, they just are. They have no motivations, no evil objectives. Even evil people are not evidence of an evil deity unless they are puppets of that deity; and the puppet theory is transparently false.

    The lack of standards, evidence, coherence and material proof contradict the presumed validity of the argument from evil. But there is more.

    2. By claiming to know more than a deity about what is Right For Mankind, the Atheist is asserting a superior omniscience to that of the deity in question. Need I say more about such a fallacy? OK, I will say this: Philosophical Materialism is the opposite of omniscience. The act of denying a deity does not add either knowledge or wisdom to an individual. It artificially constricts knowledge to material objects and actions, while denying subjective space experiences.

    3. The primary rationalized disconnect in the argument from evil is the concept of omnibenevolence. This position maintains that because I don’t like certain aspects of living in the material world, the deity SHOULD NOT have allowed those aspects to exist. In fact the Atheist, if promoted to the position of the deity, would have eliminated all such discomforts from the world. This includes such things as natural disasters, disease, predators, entropy, aging, death and other unpleasantness. Obviously any deity that would allow such nasty obstacles to complete happiness for each human cannot be any good. Any really good deity would grant every wish and remove all unpleasantness from our experiences: no stubbed toes, no scraped knees, no burnt fingers; only pleasantness would occupy our days. So from this the Atheist concludes that no deity exists, since the world does not conform to the Atheist’s standards and specifications for a deity. No omnibenevolence, no deity.

    As any parent knows, omnibenevolence is a sure path to creating a totally selfish, self-centered offspring, one that demands ever more since happiness is so elusive when sought in material things. The inability of the recipient to become happy even when awash in material goods results in resentment of the provider, and ultimately in separation and hatred by the recipient who feels denied of real happiness and blames it on the provider. Omnibenevolence is an evil itself. Demanding omnibenevolence from a “good” deity is irrational.

    4. Even in the face of the evil of omnibenevolence, Atheists claim that a moral deity would not allow any consequences for bad decisions. This has been called the “perfectly protected playground”, where the deity cushions all falls and no one ever learns how not to fall in the first place.

    The argument from evil ties-in perfectly with humanism, which requires happiness as the ultimate good. Not the happiness of the individual, mind you, but the generalized happiness of the bulk of mankind. In fact, individual happiness is to be sacrificed for that of overall mankind. It is this sacrifice, it is claimed paradoxically, that provides happiness to the individual. Humanism has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of millions of humans, all for the good of mankind. Humanism is one of the worst evils visited upon this planet; it is directly connected to Atheism, and is justified by the argument from evil.

    The argument from evil, is itself, evil. It is illogical, and it is false

  182. on 15 Jun 2013 at 3:33 pm 182.Anonymous said …

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    And here, as a reminder, just from this thread alone here are some of the other questions that “a” and co are avoiding answering. Brainwashing seems the most likely reason why they are unable to provide answers.

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?

    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?

    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?

    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?

    Is using birth control a sin? Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?

    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?

    why there are so many variants of Christianity? … Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?

    Is it ok to be gay?

  183. on 15 Jun 2013 at 3:53 pm 183.Anonymous said …

    There appear to be two main routes to reach a state of Christian induced stupor. The most common approach among practicing adherents is to get ‘em while they’re young and impressionable. The traditions of blind acceptance are transferred from one generation to the next. Any questioning of the faith from their young charges is met with admonishment, reprimand, physical and mental stress, and, if all else fails, banishment. Ever hear the motto “Spare the rod, spoil the child”? The child is fit into the mold of belief. Really, what other choice is there for the impressionable mind? Compliance is strictly mandatory.

    The other route involves salvation through ignorance. People (adults, usually) who have lost the ability to steer their own ships due to addictions issues. Think AA and other 12 step programs here. The Christians use the external agent of god to supplant the perceived need of whatever noxious agent the addict feels they need. A god becomes absolutely necessary in order to maintain sobriety. These folks often consider themselves “Born Again”.

    Both routes require brainwashing. Both are quite effective at perpetuating the myth of JC.

  184. on 15 Jun 2013 at 5:19 pm 184.The messenger said …

    181.Anonymous, GOD only punishes bad people such as Osama bin laden, Stalin, fadel Castro, and hitler.

    If people break the law,they are put in jail.

    If people break GOD’s laws without repenting, they are put in jail.

    GOD is not cruel, he is fair.

  185. on 15 Jun 2013 at 5:49 pm 185.Anonymous said …

    Adding to #180, the same individual who told that their church had a policy of “get them while they are young” also attended a class on bible study and evangelizing.

    What they said was that they were to spread the word but that they should focus on people who were likely to be more receptive. Top of the list? People suffering from emotional stress or who were otherwise depressed or in need of help. These people, they were told, would be the most impressionable and receptive to the word.

    In other words, find people who are otherwise not thinking clearly, desperate, at their wit’s end and tell them how these things were happening because they had rejected god, but it could all be better if only they believed and joined the church.

    At that point they should make that person’s identify known so that others can help make sure that the new convert was “welcomed”, followed through, and wasn’t allowed to backslide.

    In other words, brainwashing.

  186. on 15 Jun 2013 at 6:07 pm 186.Anonymous said …

    UGH AA. Great aim (sobriety), shame about the indoctrination.

    Whilst it is difficult to measure these things, AA has never actually been shown to be more effective than other methods. Another complication is that QQ couches their success in a variation of the No True Scotsman as they tie it to “rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path” effectively discarding dropouts and failures and placing failure on the participant, not the method.

    In terms of the “spiritual” I’ve found it desperately sad to see how many go through that program and become convinced that they cannot function without the help of some “higher power” which is just a cover word for AA’s evangelical roots.

    Members give away their own power and become convinced that it was something other than their own damn hard work and determination that got them clean and sober.

    It’s disappointing that we as a society allow people to be manipulated in such a manner.

  187. on 15 Jun 2013 at 9:50 pm 187.The messenger said …

    Anonymous, your claim of brain washing is crap.
    Many people are converted after they turn 16, therefore this “years of introduction” crap is false.
    Teaching religion at a young age does not create a mental block. The reason that there bond to religion is sometimes stronger when it is taught to them at a young age is because it allows them to learn about the morals of GOD, and they laws of GOD(such as I am the LORD thy God, Thou shalt have no other gods, No graven images or likenesses, Not take the LORD’s name in vain, Remember the sabbath day, Honor thy father and thy mother, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet) so they can decide either to follow GOD, or not.
    GOD’s teachings are not forced on them, they are given a choice to either follow Jesus’s teachings, or not. The choice is their’s.
    Religious education is not brain washing.
    Thomas is brain washing you by fabricating lies and tring to convince you that they are true.
    ,

  188. on 15 Jun 2013 at 10:53 pm 188.40 Year Atheist said …

    Atheists want to subject the USA to a campaign of Atheist bumper-sticker wisdom extolling how virtuous Atheism and Atheists are. The latest attack was to have planes towing banners fly over ball games and Fourth of July celebrations, with messages claiming that “Atheism is Patriotic” and proclaiming a “God-LESS America”.

    According to American Atheists,
    “The very fact that we stand up to defend the constitutional separation of church and state, fight for the civil rights of all non-theists, and work to ensure true freedom of religion is one of the most patriotic things anyone can do! By defending against theocracy, we are acting patriotic and defending the founding document of this country. What better day to emphasize this than on the birthday of our great country?

    “This campaign is not about pushing the “atheist agenda” or shoving our views down people’s throats. This is about advertising and raising the tide for all atheists across the United States. This is about getting Americans to recognize the role atheists play in this country and our dedication to its constitution. This is about generating public discussion about atheism, religion and the role of religion in politics and our national identity. This is an opportunity for public discourse about the very issues that are important not only to us, but to every American (whether they realize it or not)…

    The problem is that most Atheists tend to the Left far enough that religious freedom means freedom from religion, meaning in every public venue there will be no absolutes. As for patriotism, it is easier to find one-worlders than border defenders amongst the Atheist community. The definition of patriotism given by the American Atheists, above, is a niche too narrow to measure when taken in the overall scheme of requirements for patriotism. It is a definition of defining and expanding a cult, using an imagined interpretation of the Constitution.

    Atheists seem to think that the rest of the world doesn’t actually know what freedom from absolutes means when it is taken into the warp and woof of society. Atheism comes without principles attached to it, and is therefore unprincipled. Certainly some Atheists co-op the Judeo-Christian principles that permeated the first two centuries of American history. But under their own system of absence of moral principles, they are free to deviate in whichever direction they choose, whenever they choose to do so. And they have been busily deviating from moral principles for the last half century as they change laws to allow perversions to become mainstreamed, under the rubric of “civil rights” and “equality”, as if every actor is to be guaranteed those things regardless of his actions, no matter how odious. Extending protection to bad actors is not patriotic, it is odious itself.

    What simplistic Atheist thinking misses here is that a God-LESS America is a fearsome concept if one takes it seriously. Being free of absolutes is not a comforting thought for those who can and have seen the absolutes-free reign of Atheist governments in the 20th Century. There is nothing new in history, only new players giving new names to the same old stuff. With the Republic on its last legs and staggering toward the abyss, all we need is principle-free Atheists taking charge, if they haven’t already. And I think maybe they have.

    In terms of muddled thinking, what would the Atheist reaction have been if planes flying over public gatherings proclaimed “Jesus Saves”, or “Allahu Akbar”? By violating the very premise of their argument, they demonstrate their non-linear, floating-base thinking.

  189. on 15 Jun 2013 at 11:14 pm 189.alex said …

    183.40 Year Atheist said …

    your track record is shit. you’re dismissed, you cut and paste motherfucker. i bet you’ve been banned many times over in other sites. see how this atheist site tolerates secular assholes, like you? bring on the muslims and buddhists! tired of these xtian repeaters/socks. what’s the smell again. goatish?

  190. on 15 Jun 2013 at 11:34 pm 190.Anonymous said …

    Typical trolling diversionary response from the 40Y-asshole. Unable to address the subject in hand, and embarrassed by the direction the discussion is heading, he needs to interject inflammatory nonsense.

    More examples of Christian delusion in action. Change the subject rather than address the concerns.

    Let’s get back on topic to the unanswered questions:

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?

    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?

    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?

    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?

    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?

    Is using birth control a sin?

    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?

    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?

    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? …
    Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?

    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?

    Is it ok to be gay?

  191. on 15 Jun 2013 at 11:42 pm 191.Fluttershy said …

    Thanks for using my question :D

    We are still waiting A and theists.

    Why would an all loving being “God” make people live an eternity of pain and suffering simply because they didn’t want to believe in him?
    Now tell us how you came to choose YOUR flavor of Christianity over all the others?
    Do you agree with messy that hell is NOT eternal?
    Do you agree with him that atheists can go to heaven as long as they are good?
    Do you think women should be ordained into the priesthood?
    Is using birth control a sin?
    Does Jesus cry when you masturbate?
    Is divorce ok with god, or forbidden?
    Why there are so many variants of Christianity? …
    Are those other christians brainwashed into joining a church/paying a tithe ?
    Is it ok to go to a doctor when you are sick, or should you have faith that Jesus will make you better?
    Is it ok to be gay?

  192. on 16 Jun 2013 at 3:32 am 192.The messenger said …

    189.Anonymous, it is ok to be gay, it is not ok to have gay sex.

    Christianity includes the Torah(Jewish law), the Hebrew bible(the complete Old Testament), and the writings of the mark, Jude, paul(aka Saul), James, Peter, Luke, Matthew, and John.

    If a wife is cheating on he husband he can divorce her.
    If a man cheats on his wife then she can divorce him.

    Using birth control is a sin because it murders an unborn human being.

    Martian Luther is the reason that there are so many different Christian churches because he started the Protestant reformation.

    GOD wants us to go to the doctors.

    Females should not be Preist. The role of Wemon in the church is to help the poor and help raise money and make cloths for the poor and sick people of the world. The role of men in the church is to preach the word of GOD to all people(including Thomas). Some of these church roles are shared by both genders, but the role of preaching the word of GOD is the jod of the male gender in the church.

    GOD only punishes bad people, and hell is only temporary.

    Atheists can go to heaven if they are truly kind, forgiving, compassionate, humble people.

  193. on 16 Jun 2013 at 6:41 am 193.Fluttershy said …

    183.40 Year Atheist said …
    *snip*

    Honestly that is purely off-topic, makes no sense what so ever, and why is your name “atheist” if you are pro theist? O.o

  194. on 16 Jun 2013 at 1:34 pm 194.alex said …

    …and why is your name “atheist”

    he thinks he’s clever, but he’s the resident dipshit. because this blog is NOT moderated, fucks like him think they’re free to pontificate anywhere they want to. you know, same shitheads that walk around distributing biblical propaganda bullshit. xtians that walk around with the bullshit romans3:23, or preach in the park like they’re some fucking pope appointee.

    what does this have to do with brainwashing? i fights it all the time! i point out the insanity of a so called blessed event, the folly of prayer, and the convergence of eternal hell/heaven. i also point out that i’m human and i live with the same logical guidelines as everybody else without the crutches/prejudices of a bullshit god. then i tell them to stop it, at least out of courtesy.

    i never push the fact that i’m an atheist. why am i such an asshole on this blog? this place is a fucking atheist site and propaganda/bullshit posts should not be tolerated. post some good shit and debate follows.

    go ahead dipshits/socks. call me names. i’m already going to hell. what could be worse?

  195. on 16 Jun 2013 at 3:16 pm 195.DPK said …

    I think the progression of the discussion here has demonstrated pretty thoroughly the fact of religious brainwashing as an important and necessary part of every religions continued existence, crowned in splendor by 40yr’s disjointed and completely off topic ramblings.

    Once again, the Astrophysicist and the sock brigade have run away and refused to debate honestly and with integrity, and have steadfastly refused to answer or even acknowledge any of the multitude of questions that have been presented them about their faith. Why? Because they know full well that to do so will expose the depth of their insanity and their brainwashing will simply not allow them to confront this, so they bury their heads in the sand and squawk meaningless nonsense about Buddhists, Realeans, and the amorality of atheists.

    Yeah, they aren’t brainwashed… sure.

  196. on 16 Jun 2013 at 4:19 pm 196.Anonymous said …

    This brings up the topic of why engage the sock brigade at all?

    It’s clear that they will only participate if it’s to post a flurry of diversionary questions. They then use that to post strawman arguments which they demand others defend.

    Considering that they’ve demonstrated a complete lack of integrity and exhibit blatant dishonesty, being drawn into their game seems an exercise in futility. Perhaps it’s better to ignore them, despite Horatio’s obvious expertise in childish name-calling.

  197. on 16 Jun 2013 at 5:13 pm 197.DPK said …

    Because, I’ll paraphrase… “the only thing necessary for insanity to triumph is for sane people to say nothing…”

    That’s why.

  198. on 16 Jun 2013 at 5:31 pm 198.alex said …

    “Perhaps it’s better to ignore them…”

    can’t do it. had enough of this shit. on a non-moderated site, those fuckers will just run roughshod. is this an atheist site?

  199. on 16 Jun 2013 at 5:57 pm 199.A said …

    40 years,

    I wasn’t aware atheism is patriotic. They are just full of delusions. Giving more money to the IRS Nazis is patriotic too. seems this patriotism is much like all their other claims. Just say it and that in turn makes it true.

    Wait! Wait! I’m having a flashback…….Got it! From my days as a brainwashed college student. Atheism good……Atheism good. Lol!! I know you can relate 40 years. It takes courage and strength to overcome the brainwashing. Time for the followers to come back with mindless talking points and continue with zero answers.

  200. on 16 Jun 2013 at 6:43 pm 200.alex said …

    “I wasn’t aware atheism is patriotic.”

    see this bullshit? atheism is non belief in your bullshit god, ad nauseum. that’s why i call you dipshit, fuckhead, and motherfucker, among other things. you’re not entitled to come in here and blather your shit, unopposed. got something else? lookey here, lookey there, same old shit. meanwhile, your god marinates in the bullshit brine. lol that.

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