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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 19 May 2013 12:18 am

When intelligent people look at religion rationally, religion is clearly insane

There is an image on Reddit this week that can be found here and here. The author is Christopher Pool and it says:

Put a steak on the ground in front of a dog.
Tell the dog not to eat the steak.
If the dog eats it, punish [the dog] and every other dog you own and ever will own.
God is great.

Impregnate a dog with your son.
Have your half dog half human son tell your other dogs how loving you are.
Let your other dogs torture and kill your half dog half human son.
Afterwards, forgive them for eating your steak in the first place.
Despite forgiveness, continue to punish every dog you will ever own.
Revive the half dog half human corpse and let it live in your house.
God is great.

Why would anyone believe such nonsense?

536 Responses to “When intelligent people look at religion rationally, religion is clearly insane”

  1. on 07 Jun 2013 at 2:26 am 1.Anonymous said …

    Xenon, the inert gas bag comes up with a doozy:

    As for evolution or speciation, it is not provable…… It is fine as a theory but anyone who claims it to be fact or truth is just dishonest.

    How many times do we need to cover this? A scientific theory IS backed by FACTS and EVIDENCE.

    Xenon, did you see the depth of the stupidity from “a” and you wanted to compete?

  2. on 07 Jun 2013 at 2:35 am 2.Anonymous said …

    Xenon and “A”‘s stupidity are on par with each other because “A” and Xenon have been shown many, many, times to be the same person posting under different names. i.e they are just two of his many sock-puppets.

    Once again, he’s trying to lead people down a blind alley so as to disrupt actual discussion on religion and the nutty people who believe in it.

  3. on 07 Jun 2013 at 12:41 pm 3.A said …

    Mousey back with diversions of puppets. Mouse I already confessed to be everyone so let it be or leave.

    Now share some of this massive amounts of facts and evidence that backs the ToE.

    prediction: mouse can’t and will not.

  4. on 07 Jun 2013 at 1:33 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    Now share some of this massive amounts of facts and evidence that backs the ToE.

    Just look it up, numb nuts. Why not start with why would the Catholic Church ascribe to the theory? Fossils, geology, DNA, do I really need to go on?

    Oh, and I forgot to mention, like all good scientific theories, ToE is falsifiable. So, if you’ve got something that will knock it off it’s rails, feel free to give it a go. It absolutely does not matter what you nor I think of ToE, it’s here to stay until, of course, you fully engage that brilliant independently thinking mind of yours. What have you got?

    Just wondering, since this is a blog on god, how would god be falsifiable?

  5. on 07 Jun 2013 at 2:00 pm 5.A said …

    Mousey,

    God is not science nor a theory so you can determine how to falsify his existence. Good luck!

    Appeals to a pope is not proof. Rejected.

    Yes, you need to go on. Lets pick one, DNA. How does DNA prove ToE is true?

    Remember I do want to believe but the scientific method must be adhered to.

  6. on 07 Jun 2013 at 2:50 pm 6.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    Yes, you need to go on. Lets pick one, DNA. How does DNA prove ToE is true?
    Remember I do want to believe but the scientific method must be adhered to.

    No, I don’t need to waste my time. Did you see where I said ToE is falsifiable? Fill your boots – Evolution does not need me to defend it. However, YOU can absolutely crush ToE with your wonderfully complex arguments. Why not start right now!! I can hardly wait. LOL!! Good luck.

    You’re correct that god just needs a believer and is NOT falsifiable.

    Apologies for “appealing to a pope”. I just thought a xtian view would HELP YOU understand how to be xtian and a ToE advocate at the same time. Maybe those Catholics are just too stupid?

  7. on 07 Jun 2013 at 3:05 pm 7.A said …

    Oh mouse, get off the pope. Just another diversion. Apology accepted, lol!!

    Again you fail. I have no need to demolish anything util it is built. You have not built a case.

    ToE is built on many assumptions, “might haves” even some guesses. I actually laughed when you chose DNA since it does what to help your case?

    I know independent thinker piss off the herd but I am willing to change when a solid scientific case is provided. ToE is science right?

  8. on 07 Jun 2013 at 3:16 pm 8.Anonymous said …

    “a”
    You are almost completely hopeless.
    Using your particular flavour of religion (whatever that may be) the bottom line is that goddidit. Your faith declares it’s either magic fairy dust or ToE or ?. Does not make any difference to me if your on the right side or not ;-).

    At this moment in time, your level of stupidity does not enable you to fit ToE into the framework of your understanding of god. Maybe try reading and researching some more, you can always shift the goal posts. ToE does not need your approval.

  9. on 07 Jun 2013 at 4:16 pm 9.A said …

    Oh mosey more diversions. God does need your approval but you constantly ask.

    This is strictly for the process to show you have no proof for ToE but you believe in faith. Is is this bad that you can’t provide just (1) piece of evidence?

    Your personal insults are only more diversions to deflect your faith in the ToE. It seems you need to engage in some research to overcome the ignorance.

    (sigh!). oops I think others have sighed here. More calms of puppetry coming….lol!!

  10. on 07 Jun 2013 at 4:17 pm 10.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    ToE is built on many assumptions, “might haves” even some guesses. I actually laughed when you chose DNA since it does what to help your case?

    I cannot and never will be able to INDEPENDENTLY confirm ToE (unless I win the lottery). As a matter of fact, I have never independently verified that the planet Earth revolves around the Sun or that atoms exist. Instead, what I do is study and read and make my decisions on ToE and other branches of inquiry based on the mountains of cold hard emotionless data and facts. Hoping not to disappoint you, “a”, as being just another blind dupe for Evolution.

    Biased research might be what you get from studying a bible. That is a realm where you fail to learn HOW to think and are told WHAT to think. Jayzus is the saviour, Noah’s Ark is true reality, etc, etc. There, we’re back to being a blog on god ;-) .

  11. on 07 Jun 2013 at 4:39 pm 11.Anonymous said …

    “a” asks

    you have no proof for ToE but you believe in faith. Is is this bad that you can’t provide just (1) piece of evidence?

    Mousy responds:

    Fossils, geology, DNA, do I really need to go on?

    I count three branches of inquiry that help build the case for Evolution. Go ahead, “a”, it’s all falsifiable with a sound enough argument. Not even a challenge for a person with your incredible talents. Freely admitting that god is not falsifiable by myself or anyone. People just need to believe to make it real.

    Again, I admit that I cannot disprove a god or that there are little pink unicorns in your underwear drawer. Evolution, on the other hand, is completely open to critique. YOU, “a”, are able to dis-prove it. That does not mean all you need to do is jump up and down yelling that it’s untrue.

  12. on 07 Jun 2013 at 5:16 pm 12.The messenger said …

    392.michael, humanism is A system of thought that rejects religious beliefs and centers on humans and their values, capacities, and worth.
    All of those murderous atheists that I listed are humanists because they reject religious beliefs.

  13. on 07 Jun 2013 at 5:24 pm 13.The messenger said …

    Brother 411.Anonymous, tell me, how is DNA, geology, and fossils proof against GOD?

    GOD made DNA so that we would grow a certain way.
    He made DNA so that our bodies would function a certain way.

    The animals on the ark evolved into many different species, and over time they continued to evolve to survive, and sometimes a few specieses would die off and formed into fossils due to the surrounding minerals and the pressure that they were under.

  14. on 07 Jun 2013 at 6:42 pm 14.A said …

    Mousey, if the scientific method is not or cannot be applied to test a position then it is not possible to spot likely errors in that position. Without the ability to spot inaccuracy, one position cannot be said to be stronger or weaker than any other position. All faiths or theories become equivalent.

    Then you have the politicizing and biases that come with ToE. Scientist are expected to ToE the line on this position to satisfy the community in which they work and play. Many do just to move up the ladders of their profession. They don’t really believe.

    The next time Richard Dawkins come out and calls this theory fact, do yourself a favor and seriously examine what is fact and what is faith. That takes courage because your worldview depends on ToE being true.

    I won’t ask for proof any longer. You have proven my point.

  15. on 07 Jun 2013 at 7:18 pm 15.Fluttershy said …

    I find it hilarious how “A” continuously asks for proof of things that are blatantly obviously true, and he didnt answer my questions of the Ark that noah made, proving that all he can believe in is magic, or that he does not want to engage in a fair debate.

  16. on 07 Jun 2013 at 7:52 pm 16.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    one position cannot be said to be stronger or weaker than any other position. All faiths or theories become equivalent.

    Really? Let’s give this a go, shall we?

    Let’s agree on some facts to start:
    The planet is billions of years old.
    Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for about 250,000 years.
    Humans who walked with the dinosaurs 65+ million years ago exist in The Flintstones; it is not a documentary.
    Before Homo sapiens there were other “hybrid” bipedal apes.
    Organized religious practices have existed for about 12,000 years. Xtianity for much less than that.
    Have I made a mistake? Point them out.

  17. on 07 Jun 2013 at 8:20 pm 17.A said …

    Butterfly,

    IF they are obvious then why is it that not you nor mouse will produce any proof? Typing the word fossil or DNA is not proof. Dead things sometimes leave fossils. Cells have codes called DNA. So how are those proof of ToE.

    what is truly hilarious is you are the same guys continually calling for proof of God yet I don’t believe you understand the nature of proof.

    Lets see what you come up with Butterfly.

  18. on 07 Jun 2013 at 8:34 pm 18.Anonymous said …

    “a”
    Still awaiting a response: Trying to help you prove that a belief in a god is as rational as ToE when one looks at the facts. Working by consensus.

    Let’s agree on some facts to start:
    The planet is billions of years old.
    Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for about 250,000 years.
    Humans who walked with the dinosaurs 65+ million years ago exist in The Flintstones; it is not a documentary.
    Before Homo sapiens there were other “hybrid” bipedal apes.
    Organized religious practices have existed for about 12,000 years. Xtianity for much less than that.
    Have I made a mistake? Point them out.

    Ooops, I think I erred on the time when organized religions arose. Perhaps you can correct that?

  19. on 07 Jun 2013 at 8:47 pm 19.alex said …

    “what is truly hilarious is you are the same guys continually calling for proof of God yet I don’t believe you understand the nature of proof.”

    you’re a dumb motherfucker and you deserve you shitass god. dna and/or bigfuckingbang are nothing but diversions brought on by the incessant pleadings by the you, dipshit theists.

    we ask for proof, simple as that. no different than you, you dumbfuck. if hesus showed up today, how would you know? if he pulls a cross out of his ass, i will recognize. see, it ain’t that hard. you do it, and i will recognize you as hesus. now what about you. what would hesus have to do for you to bow down and kiss his holiness’ ass?

  20. on 07 Jun 2013 at 9:30 pm 20.A said …

    Mousey,

    I apologize, I have give you entirely too much credit.

    Let me understand. Do you understand the difference between history and science? Which does ToE fit under? Focus, stay on topic this time.

    Second, do you believe ToE actually compete with another? Lol!! Do you know the difference between an apple and a tree”

  21. on 07 Jun 2013 at 10:15 pm 21.Anonymous said …

    Little “a”, such a tiny person with an IQ to match ;-) .

    You said something earlier, what was it? Oh yeah:

    one position cannot be said to be stronger or weaker than any other position. All faiths or theories become equivalent.

    And the topic of the thread IS:

    When intelligent people look at religion rationally, religion is clearly insane

    Now that I’ve asked some basic and simple questions, you’ve become hostile and scared. Can you please stay on topic and try your best to focus? You made a statement, I asked a few questions. Time to put some meat behind your words.

    Let’s agree on some facts to start:
    The planet is billions of years old.
    Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for about 250,000 years.
    Humans who walked with the dinosaurs 65+ million years ago exist in The Flintstones; it is not a documentary.
    Before Homo sapiens there were other “hybrid” bipedal apes.
    Organized religious practices have existed for about 12,000 years. Xtianity for much less than that.
    Have I made a mistake? Point them out.

    Prediction: “a” is all sizzle and no steak. Big hat and no cattle. Won’t answer or stay on topic of the thread. What a troll (sigh!)

  22. on 07 Jun 2013 at 10:25 pm 22.The messenger said …

    Brother 411.Anonymous, tell me, how is DNA, geology, and fossils proof against GOD?
    GOD made DNA so that we would grow a certain way.
    He made DNA so that our bodies would function a certain way.
    The animals on the ark evolved into many different species, and over time they continued to evolve to survive, and sometimes a few specieses would die off and formed into fossils due to the surrounding minerals and the pressure that they were under.

  23. on 08 Jun 2013 at 12:07 am 23.A said …

    Lol!! Oh Mousey! You got backed into a corner and now it is a fallacy to get out of our discussion.

    Is ToE history or science mousey? You came this far, don’t quit now!

    How many beliefs do you have based on what others tell you rather than thinking for yourself?

    Butterfly Butterfly! Where did you fly off to?

  24. on 08 Jun 2013 at 12:33 am 24.Anonymous said …

    As predicted. Another diversion. Try and focus “a”

  25. on 08 Jun 2013 at 1:34 am 25.alex said …

    “Little “a”, such a tiny person with an IQ to match..”

    martin, you’re a bitch. you don’t know shit about me. what i do know is that you believe in bullshit. no matter how much you huff and puff and keep yammering away, you don’t get to ask the questions here. what is the name of the blog, you fuck?

    as usual, your questions are a wild goose chase. in the vein of you asshole brethren, s0l and messenger, they shouldn’t be answered of even considered. like the title says, you are insane.

    butterfly, little a? this is a discussion? how about you stick that cross up your ass? martin? huh?

  26. on 08 Jun 2013 at 1:37 am 26.Anonymous said …

    #419 – you know those signs by the animal cages in the zoo? The ones that read “Don’t Feed The Troll”?

    Well the troll that you are currently feeding has several favorite foods and top of the list are well-meaning atheists who are easily baited into side-discussion via nonsense statements, schoolyard taunts, and childish demands?

    After all, have you ever found someone on a blog related to religion who wont answer questions on religious beliefs yet demands that you answer his on evolution to not be trolling? Ever?

    “Just sayin'”

  27. on 08 Jun 2013 at 2:11 am 27.Curmudgeon said …

    Alex and anonymous are really two peas in a pod. They insult, use terrible profanity and bait well meaning posters.

    I am at a loss why they don’t even attempt to defend the cornerstone of atheism, the theory of evolution. It must be ignorance of the subject or just a weak subject.

  28. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:02 am 28.Fluttershy said …

    “Butterfly Butterfly! Where did you fly off to?”
    I was sleeping….
    You know? Because time zones exist and im from australia…

    “Dead things sometimes leave fossils. Cells have codes called DNA.”
    Cant disagree here, dead things may leave fossils, and DNA are codes that form cells, and thus organisms.
    You forgot to mention that it take a LONG time to fossilise something, more than the ten thousand years some christians believe in.
    And DNA, given enough mutations can give creatures new forms, traits etc.
    Scientists have observed bacteria mutate to become barely their original form.
    And diseases like the flu have changed symptoms.

  29. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:03 am 29.michael said …

    ‘the cornerstone of atheism?’

    youre a dumb motherfucker.

    you dont know anything about atheism.

    you cannot even name the central tenants of atheism.

    jackass

  30. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:06 am 30.Fluttershy said …

    “Alex and anonymous are really two peas in a pod. They insult, use terrible profanity and bait well meaning posters.”
    And you divert, use the excuse of magic, lie, make statements that have literally no backing and fail to debate fairly in any shape or form.

  31. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:11 am 31.Anonymous said …

    Cur:

    I am at a loss why they don’t even attempt to defend the cornerstone of atheism, the theory of evolution. It must be ignorance of the subject or just a weak subject.

    The Theory of Evolution does not need defending. If you want to shred the theory, it’s pretty easy – all you need to do is find a new way to interpret the evidence. In that vein, you may carry on and answer the questions I posted to “a”, if you dare. They’re re-posted (yet again), below.

    Reminder: This thread relates to: When intelligent people look at religion rationally, religion is clearly insane. Look way up and notice the title.

    “a” stated a position and was smacked down. Now “a” whines, throws hissy-fits, distracts with red herrings, uses fallacies, and won’t return to the topic at hand

    When intelligent people look at religion rationally, religion is clearly insane

    Why don’t you give it a go. Answer the questions, Cur; they’re related directly to the thread. It is why you posted, isn’t it?

    Let’s agree on some facts to start:
    The planet is billions of years old.
    Humans (Homo sapiens) have existed for about 250,000 years.
    Humans who walked with the dinosaurs 65+ million years ago exist in The Flintstones; it is not a documentary.
    Before Homo sapiens there were other “hybrid” bipedal apes.
    Organized religious practices have existed for about 12,000 years. Xtianity for much less than that.
    Have I made a mistake? Point them out

    Of course, you won’t wager an opinion!! That’s abundantly clear. The reason is that you know the responses you provide can only prove that the thread’s title is 100% accurate.

  32. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:14 am 32.Fluttershy said …

    So, “A”

    How did god do these things?
    Magic isnt valid ;D

  33. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:32 am 33.alex said …

    “I am at a loss why they don’t even attempt to defend the cornerstone of atheism, the theory of evolution. It must be ignorance of the subject or just a weak subject.”

    i’m at a loss why motherfuckers like you keep coming in here with the same ole tired shit. is the site called whywontevolutionhealamputees? no, dipshit.

    no likey profanity? yet you tolerate your homies sayin people are going to hell? can you think of anything worse than hell? stop the diversion and prove your god. how would jesus prove himself to you, today? cut off some foreskins and let you sniff it? curse a fig tree and see it wilt? watch jesus cower in fear at the sight of metal rims (iron chariots)? what?

  34. on 08 Jun 2013 at 7:41 am 34.Fluttershy said …

    I guess they ignored the multiple times where i stated atheists dont always believe in evolution?

  35. on 08 Jun 2013 at 11:15 am 35.Fluttershy said …

    “I am at a loss why they don’t even attempt to defend the cornerstone of atheism, the theory of evolution. It must be ignorance of the subject or just a weak subject.”

    HAHA, the cornerstone of atheism is that god doesn’t exist, there are no other beliefs that make an atheist.

  36. on 08 Jun 2013 at 1:12 pm 36.Anonymous said …

    How much clearer could they make it? That point had been consistently made for years. Yet there is always someone willing to take the obvious bait, even though it’s nothing at all to do with the subject at hand.

    These characters are trolling. They are not interested in honest debate. It’s a game and when cornered they simply run away and lie in wait for the next person who they can bait into playing their game.

    Please stop feeding the trolls.

  37. on 08 Jun 2013 at 1:12 pm 37.The messenger said …

    434.Fluttershy, therefore, Atheists have no moral rules.

    Therefore, they are most likely to become similar to on of the following Atheists/mass murders.Gracchus Babeuf
    Karl Marx
    Friedrich Engels
    Peter Kropotkin
    Rosa Luxemburg
    Karl Liebknecht
    Antonio Gramsci
    Vladimir Lenin
    Leon Trotsky
    Joseph Stalin
    Leonid Brezhnev
    Kim Il-Sung
    Mao Zedong
    Deng Xiaoping
    Ho Chi Minh
    Palmiro Togliatti
    Josip Broz Tito
    Fidel Castro
    Che Guevara

  38. on 08 Jun 2013 at 1:49 pm 38.Fluttershy said …

    *whispers to anon*
    Dont worry, i put cyanide in the troll food….
    On the serious side though, they are trolls…
    That or they are insanely biased, ignorant bigots…..

  39. on 08 Jun 2013 at 2:36 pm 39.A said …

    Mousey,

    Did you see Buuterfly’s post? He says all atheists don’t believe in ToE. Why is that? I thought it was fact so why would their be atheists who don’t buy into ToE? Does this enrage you mousey? Ate they ignorant? What would you say to these holdouts?

    Your ilk is a very confused bunch.

    lol!!

  40. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:04 pm 40.Anonymous said …

    “a”

    He says all atheists don’t believe in ToE

    So what? Atheism is the rejection of a deity, not a rejection of ToE. What a moron. Your stupidity is showing again.

    Ate they ignorant?

    No, that would be something that you eat daily…. With a side order of stupid.

    Your ilk is a very confused bunch.

    Humanity in general and theists in particular are confused. What a revelation. Dumbass.

    Still waiting. Don’t show everyone that you’re the troll that they claim you are. Last chance to opine: You made a statement – I made some assertions. See above.

  41. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:16 pm 41.The messenger said …

    434.Fluttershy, therefore, Atheists have no moral rules.
    Therefore, they are most likely to become similar to on of the following Atheists/mass murders.Gracchus Babeuf
    Karl Marx
    Friedrich Engels
    Peter Kropotkin
    Rosa Luxemburg
    Karl Liebknecht
    Antonio Gramsci
    Vladimir Lenin
    Leon Trotsky
    Joseph Stalin
    Leonid Brezhnev
    Kim Il-Sung
    Mao Zedong
    Deng Xiaoping
    Ho Chi Minh
    Palmiro Togliatti
    Josip Broz Tito
    Fidel Castro
    Che Guevara

  42. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:27 pm 42.alex said …

    “He says all atheists don’t believe in ToE. Why is that?”

    failed diversion, again, you dumb motherfucker. not all atheists are liberals, you ass. not all atheists believe in the big bang, you dumbshit. not all atheists believe in cold fusion, you shit#5. should i go on, you theist troll?… martin, etc.

    the game is over, you piece of shit. your crap won’t be tolerated anymore so you resort to anonymously posting your shit over here. go fuck yourself, again.

  43. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:40 pm 43.Fluttershy said …

    “Did you see Buuterfly’s post? He says all atheists don’t believe in ToE. Why is that? I thought it was fact so why would their be atheists who don’t buy into ToE? Does this enrage you mousey? Ate they ignorant? What would you say to these holdouts?”

    Why is that you ask? Because that is how atheists work, you only need to disbelieve in god, anything else is personal opinion.

  44. on 08 Jun 2013 at 3:57 pm 44.alex said …

    “anything else is personal opinion.”

    theists DO NOT believe this simple concept. they insist on deepthroating anybody/everybody else with religion. with their bullshit xtian redemption, they can molest kids, beat gays, oppress women, bomb clinics, blah, blah, then in their fucked up collective mind, they are forgiven. what bullshit! yeah, i know, atheists do bad shit too, but not in the name of Atheism, puleeze. even if they did, who/what atheist ever pulled out their atheist redemption card and smugly proclaim, do over!?

  45. on 08 Jun 2013 at 4:09 pm 45.Fluttershy said …

    Again, i assume they are either trolls, or simply THAT ignorant….

  46. on 08 Jun 2013 at 8:49 pm 46.A said …

    Mousey you heard it here fist. Butterfly has told us ToE is personal opinion. Mousey has acknowledged disbelievers are not ignorant, ToE is just a personal opinion. So past personal attacks fron alex/mousey don’t really hold water.

    Thanks for clearing that all up. ToE is not science, history or truth, it is just opinion.

    I thought you guys would hold to the dogma more vehemently than that.

  47. on 08 Jun 2013 at 10:45 pm 47.Anonymous said …

    “a”, Go fuck yourself.

    Was hoping for more theist involvement in the dialog. Oh well!! Wanted to shit on the Biffy since he made the initial entry on this thread. Ask Xenon if his mommy and daddy had any answers to his plaintive bleats. Like Xenon, Cur momentarily appeared and then quickly dropped off.

    Interesting how the Theist Collective marches lock-step to the beat of whatever idiot sock puppet they use. Yes, they do ask a lot and never provide.

  48. on 09 Jun 2013 at 2:45 am 48.The messenger said …

    alex, what emotions do you feel when you insult people?

  49. on 09 Jun 2013 at 3:23 am 49.Fluttershy said …

    “Mousey you heard it here fist. Butterfly has told us ToE is personal opinion. Mousey has acknowledged disbelievers are not ignorant, ToE is just a personal opinion. So past personal attacks fron alex/mousey don’t really hold water.
    Thanks for clearing that all up. ToE is not science, history or truth, it is just opinion.
    I thought you guys would hold to the dogma more vehemently than that.”

    Evolution is factual, the number of people who believe in it or not doesn’t prove anything.

  50. on 09 Jun 2013 at 4:08 am 50.alex said …

    “ToE is not science, history or truth, it is just opinion.”

    this is your god proof? santa is just an opinion, therefore god is real? you’re a dumb motherfucker, confirmed. like they say, go fuck yourself.

    wah! my name is messenger and nobody is paying attention. i’ll just keep saying stupid shit and maybe somebody will reply. maybe i will just rub shit on my face and yell god is great.

  51. on 09 Jun 2013 at 5:54 am 51.Fluttershy said …

    So, any theists found out how God did his little tricks?
    So far all i have got is magic and God did it.

  52. on 09 Jun 2013 at 1:08 pm 52.The messenger said …

    alex, what emotions do you feel when you insult people? .

  53. on 09 Jun 2013 at 1:09 pm 53.The messenger said …

    alex, I have shown you proof.

  54. on 09 Jun 2013 at 8:43 pm 54.The messenger said …

    451.Fluttershy, I have told you that GOD manipulates nature.

    Here is an example. When Jesus wants rain, he lowers the temperature of air thus causing the molecules to condense and form into water, this the water becomes to heavy and falls from the clouds.

  55. on 09 Jul 2013 at 10:49 pm 55.Tim said …

    My goodness… I can’t even begin to describe how funny I find the moronic arguments I’m reading.

    Are we really saying that a poem about a dog is proof against God? Really? Of course it sounds harsh to punish a dog… the dog doesn’t know any better.

    As Christians, we don’t believe that God “got a dog” and put a steak in front of it. If you think that there is no difference between people and a dog, then maybe you don’t have a great opinion of yourself or the people around you.

    I’ve got to say though… I’m completely convicted in my own stupidity for believing in a God because I read this awesome poem about the dog. There can’t possibly be any other explanation and you’ve certainly not simplified a book with over 750,000 words down to a vague argument with only tenuous links to the original.

    Honestly, the arguments written on this blog are moronic and, quite frankly, hilarious. Apparently science disproves miracles. Which is fantastic because the definition of a miracle is an act outside of the natural world and science, also by definition, is the study of the natural world… so how do you think science could disprove something that doesn’t fall within it’s purview.

    Yes… I’m rambling now… but it is certainly frustrating to read the idiotic arguments of people who clearly wouldn’t know logic if it bit them in the backside.

  56. on 09 Jul 2013 at 11:29 pm 56.alex said …

    “I can’t even begin to describe how funny I find the moronic arguments I’m reading.”

    another driveby, dipshit theist who doesn’t like what he reads, righteously spouting off..

    your god is simply bullshit. your god proof is your statement that the arguments are moronic?

    can i use the same shit with zeus non-believers? the arguments against zeus are moronic therefore zeus is the real deal?

    asshole.

  57. on 10 Jul 2013 at 12:03 am 57.Tim said …

    Well I am certainly undone by the “asshole” argument. I’m cut up and hurting inside.

    If you actually read and understood what I was writing, you’d get that I wasn’t giving proof for God, I was pointing out the spurious argument of using a poem about a dog to prove that God can’t possibly exist.

    There’s no way I’m going to get into a debate with someone who is so obviously against rational argument that “your God is bullshit” is the best he can do to prove his point.

    I’m not going to argue any more, but will assume that there will be some random name calling and more fallacious arguments in return to this comment.

    Before I go though, why don’t you, instead of just mouthing off, have a think about why you believe what you believe. Just as you’ve pointed out, you can’t use circular reasoning to disprove a theory. But circular reasoning is pretty much all I can see on this website… and I’ll include many, if not all, of the theists have a similar problem with their arguments.

    You can’t even disprove God by using Evolution; the two aren’t mutually exclusive. People who believe in God are surprised that people who don’t believe can’t see what they see. And the people who don’t believe in God are exactly the same. The problem that I have with most of the discussion above is that it’s not a discussion with the purpose of finding the truth from objective arguments… it’s a forum for grand statements and name calling that will never amount to any agreement or advancement of knowledge in anyones view. To my disappointment, I got drawn in to the same way of arguing, and so will leave you all with your happy thoughts.

    If you’re argument is going to be that the other party isn’t doing any thinking, however, maybe try doing some of your own before replying. :)

  58. on 10 Jul 2013 at 12:32 am 58.A said …

    Tim,

    Great post! Nobody engages alex here. When you see his name just scroll by it like the rest of us.

    Yes, it is circular reasoning along with all the arguments here and yes it is all fallacious. It is fun to pick at it and show others the childish reasoning employed by atheists.

    Hope you come back.

  59. on 10 Jul 2013 at 12:46 am 59.alex said …

    “It is fun to pick at it and show others the childish reasoning employed by atheists.”

    says the moron who has historically engaged himself, thru his other sock puppet, but is even too stupid to change his moniker.

  60. on 10 Jul 2013 at 12:52 am 60.alex said …

    “..have a think about why you believe what you believe.”

    this just confirms your well deserved hurt inflicted by your well deserved stoopid, shitass, designation.

    your bullshit god is the subject matter here, dimshit. no matter how much you ramble about politics, science, evolution, et all, it don’t mean vagina.

    nonbelievers don’t have to disprove god, santa, elves, or any other countless bullshitiness, you dumb motherfucker. get that thru your head.

    you got a case for god? bring it. otherwise shut the fuck up about my microwave and my belief about the magical cooking rays.

  61. on 10 Jul 2013 at 2:57 am 61.Angus and Alexis said …

    “When you see his name just scroll by it like the rest of us.”

    This is simply irrelevant and a lie.
    Alex has time and time again given important information on several topics and has almost always stayed on topic.
    Yes, he may be rude, but who cares.

    Care to dispel the theist delusion?
    Did you even read the dog poem and comprehend it?

  62. on 11 Sep 2013 at 4:55 pm 62.Intelligent person said …

    According to supervised intelligence tests (i.e sitting in a room and taking it with pen and paper and having a psychologist review it, not the online bs) I have a very high IQ, at the very least higher than 99% of the population. I am also an atheist, but…

    There is nothing logical about rediculing a belief like in the OP. If you want to look at religion in a logical way then look at the benefits of religion for every person. What people are doing wrong is trying to disprove the validity of the belief instead of seeing the effects of the belief. Fine, god doesn’t exist, now what?

    Is religion a force for good in a religious persons life? Does religion give a moral code that that person can adhere to and give a sense of inner peace? What possible benefit is it to try to remove all these things just to prove that god doesn’t exist? I see no reason for this at all. Just as much as you hate evangelic religions I am sure religious people get annoyed when people try to change their beliefs.

    I am an atheist and I expect people to accept this and not give me shit for it, and I think every atheist person should give religious people the same courtesy as well. From my experience this is a good attitude to have, religious people feel they can open up to me and I listen to what they have to say about their beliefs and their outlook on life. It is important to them, faith is very personal, it is actually something that deserves respect no matter if you agree or not.

    So as an intelligent atheist I can safely say I don’t agree with OP.

  63. on 12 Sep 2013 at 11:45 am 63.Angus and Alexis. said …

    An apparently “Intelligent person” Said.
    “I have a very high IQ, at the very least higher than 99% of the population.”

    I severely doubt it.
    And secondly, what has IQ got to do with religion?
    There is no link between IQ and your faith.
    Perhaps you get another test?

    “There is nothing logical about rediculing a belief like in the OP.”

    It made an analogy, you dim witted fool (Perhaps that was too harsh…).

    “What people are doing wrong is trying to disprove the validity of the belief instead of seeing the effects of the belief.”

    We aren’t disproving anything, we are demanding proof and showing how stupid religion is.

    “Fine, god doesn’t exist, now what?”

    More equality, less wars, less brainwashing, those kinds of things for starters.

    “Is religion a force for good in a religious persons life?”

    Can be, but force for good should come standard, otherwise something ain’t right in your head.

    ” Does religion give a moral code that that person can adhere to and give a sense of inner peace?”

    Should come factory standard, and the bible has shit like slavery, stoning, death, worldwide DEATH, etc.

    “What possible benefit is it to try to remove all these things just to prove that god doesn’t exist?”

    The truth.

    “Just as much as you hate evangelic religions I am sure religious people get annoyed when people try to change their beliefs.”

    And i hate when religious asshole say us atheists are Stalinistic Hitler Nazis who are evil and will live in eternal pain after death.
    I don’t think ANYONE should be told such nonsense, nor believe it could happen. I have, personally, been told by a Muslim to stop eating pork, that’s the line, no one messes with a man and his bacon.

    “I am an atheist and I expect people to accept this and not give me shit for it”

    Better get some new pants, as I am lobbing tons of shit at you.

    “faith is very personal”

    Faith is nothing.

    “it is actually something that deserves respect no matter if you agree or not.”

    Guess what, we are not saying “Stop being theists or you will die in eternal fire and we will be watching you in complete bliss”, we are saying “Wake the fuck up and smell the pancakes, its educating time”.
    Secondly, not a single theist has been honest here, what does that tell you?

    “So as an intelligent atheist I can safely say I don’t agree with OP.”

    Your assumption was wrong, very, very wrong.

  64. on 12 Sep 2013 at 5:39 pm 64.Intelligent person said …

    Your title clearly implied intelligent people see religion in a certain light which I refuted. IQ is one way to measure intelligence and it correlates pretty well with the g-factor as well; but that’s another discussion. Besides the IQ test which landed me in mensa I got top score in the militarys cognitive ability test, my countrys version of the SAT and I’m studying to become a doctor. I guess those are some of the arguments for my claim and the reason for me disagreeing with you.

    When it comes to religion I think you need to separate between organized religion and personal religion. The actions of organized religion can be quite devastating, as you described above. Discuss from that perspective, ask if it is correct to kill another person if the religion says it is wrong. Why are they contradicting their own beliefs? No sane person will support a war in religions name. Trying to discuss if god exist or not is fruitless.

    It is utterly retarded to ask for proof when it comes to a persons personal belief. One person might say they had a vision and since then they are religious. The obvious retort is “prove it!”. But no one can do that. You can accept that this person think they had this vision and go from there or you can be a fundamentalist atheist dick (atheist version of the retards who say you will burn in hell).

    I’m not talking about being good or bad, I am talking about the benefits a person might have from their personal belief. If it is a positive influence, why is it more important to be correct than to have one person being happy? I sure as hell don’t agree with religious people but I do see the benefits people reap from their religion. As long as it it doesn’t effect me i will not bother them.

    Maybe people are telling you these bad things because of your attitude and personality. Not a single religious person, from what I can remember, have had a problem with me being an atheist.

  65. on 13 Sep 2013 at 12:12 am 65.Angus and Alexis. said …

    An apparently “Intelligent person” said…

    “Besides the IQ test which landed me in mensa I got top score in the militarys cognitive ability test, my countrys version of the SAT and I’m studying to become a doctor.”

    Congratulations, you know how to type.
    Do you honestly think that anyone will take your word for granted?
    I have a sentient companion named “Alexis” who lives in my head, will you take that for granted?
    Also, please work on your grammar, its making you look as bad as “A”.

    “I guess those are some of the arguments for my claim and the reason for me disagreeing with you.”

    Is that an insult to my intelligence? Aha, insults, nice.

    “No sane person will support a war in religions name.”

    So everyone in the crusades, every religious terrorist, every religious person in the military, etc, is insane?

    “It is utterly retarded to ask for proof when it comes to a persons personal belief. ”

    Guess what mate, its not a personal belief, its a widely held belief that spans the earth.
    A personal belief is something like “I believe too much TV is bad for you” or something similar. Theists go, worldwide, “Believe in god, or you are going to be in pain forever.”

    “You can accept that this person think they had this vision and go from there or you can be a fundamentalist atheist dick”

    Or you know basic knowledge of anatomy, visions and the human brain and say “You had a mirage, congrats, want a medallion or something?”

    “I’m not talking about being good or bad, I am talking about the benefits a person might have from their personal belief.”

    In this case, none.

    “If it is a positive influence, why is it more important to be correct than to have one person being happy? ”

    Because religion is not positive? It accepts slavery, killing and eternal pain.
    Its fascism.

    “but I do see the benefits people reap from their religion.”

    I find it amusing that you do not post such “Benefits”

    “Maybe people are telling you these bad things because of your attitude and personality.”

    Yes, blame it on my attitude, which you can only estimate from a single post (unless you are a blog stalker). And personality? Oh please, if someone dislikes your personality, you don’t say “you will die in hell and never get good stuff, and your evil, your like Hitler, etc”, you say “Work on that personality…asshole…”

    “Not a single religious person, from what I can remember, have had a problem with me being an atheist.”

    Ah, i see, so you are new to the internet?
    Literally, check forums, blogs, etc. If you haven’t had any problems, I would advise actually talking to people…

  66. on 13 Sep 2013 at 9:46 am 66.Intelligent person said …

    Up to you if you want to believe me or not. I really don’t give a shit tbh. I stumbled in here and saw your claims and I disagreed, simple as that.

    No I didn’t insult your intelligence. You shouldn’t really bring up insults considering the language you threw in my direction in your first reply. If you have a problem with my grammar så kanske du borde förstå att engelska är mitt andraspråk och inte någonting som jag kan skriva med perfekt meningsstruktur.

    No, people in the crusades weren’t insane, just badly informed. Terrorists are fundamentalists and fundamentalists in general don’t have a sane mindset. By sane I don’t mean being mentally healthy, I mean showing good judgement. People in the military don’t kill for religion, they kill for the state. It is possible to combine faith and temporal matters.

    Maybe you should stop hanging on forums and blogs then. Internet have a way of making idiots congregate at the same spot. No one listens to them in RL so they seek a forum to vent their views.

    When discussing the benefits of religion I think it’s important to note that there are several ways to get these benefits. For some people religion is the way. For example, iff you need to go to a certain place you might walk, cycle, go by a car or similar. In all these cases you end up at your destination. It’s the same with the benefits be it through religion, atheism or whatever personal belief system you have.

    Some common benefits would include having a certainty in life, having answers to what happens after death, where humans is headed, getting motivation to be a better person, less worries about the future, values and morals which might fit that person, a way to rehab after a traumatic experience, a way to seek repentence for earlier wrongdoings, etc.

    Yeah, your attitude isn’t very appealing, you have the makings of a atheist fundamentalist. You’re becoming the thing you are fighting against. What you and the fundamentalist theists have forgotten is basic respect.

  67. on 13 Sep 2013 at 2:03 pm 67.Angus and Alexis. said …

    An apparently “Intelligent person”
    “så kanske du borde förstå att engelska är mitt andraspråk och inte någonting som jag kan skriva med perfekt meningsstruktur.”

    AKA

    *swedish*
    “so maybe you should understand that English is my second language and not something I can write with perfect sentence structure.”

    To be fair, i cannot hate on Sweden, swedes are bad-ass. But come on, use spell check.

    ” By sane I don’t mean being mentally healthy, I mean showing good judgement. ”

    Twisting words for your own use does not get you very far. Use an actual language.

    “People in the military don’t kill for religion”

    Taliban laugh at this statement.

    “having a certainty in life”

    Lie…

    “having answers to what happens after death”

    Again, a lie…

    “where humans is headed”

    By slowing down the progress of technology and science?

    “getting motivation to be a better person”

    By hating gays and offering slavery?…Aha…

    “less worries about the future”

    Because they think every one else is going to burn?

    “values and morals which might fit that person”

    I love stoning, slavery and killing dozens of innocents, sign me up.

    ” a way to rehab after a traumatic experience”

    By lying to them? Right.

    “a way to seek repentence for earlier wrongdoings”

    By accepting a lie? Yes, that’s great.

    “Yeah, your attitude isn’t very appealing, you have the makings of a atheist fundamentalist.”

    I tend to act badly when encountered by apologetic people. I lack empathy AND sympathy. ;P

    “You’re becoming the thing you are fighting against.”

    I’m fighting against fundie atheists? , how did i not know this, and you know this?
    Stop making such ridiculous claims.

    ” For example, iff you need to go to a certain place you might walk, cycle, go by a car or similar.”

    No, religion is “Take the car, or you die in fire forever, no ifs, buts, or whys, just do it…NOW.”

    “Maybe you should stop hanging on forums and blogs then.”

    You somehow know i hang out on forums and blogs?
    Never knew physics were real, what am i thinking of now?

    ” Internet have a way of making idiots congregate at the same spot.”

    Again, what is with you and your intelligence based logic?
    I’m assuming you think you must have 100 IQ to be on certain sites?

    “You shouldn’t really bring up insults considering the language you threw in my direction in your first reply.”

    I apologize, i must admit, i normally do not type such ridiculous words.

    Are you actually going to type anything meaningful now however? Or more apologetic nonsense?
    We tend to get derailed enough here, we don’t need atheists helping…
    Maybe start by actually comprehending the analogy?
    Then re-post.

    Also, please start quoting people, its annoying to have to read one post, then the other to match up the paragraphs.

  68. on 15 May 2014 at 12:05 pm 68.Anonymous said …

    Your whole site is a reflection of the inner you the disgusting perverted made up deluded insanity your the expert, you believe in every delusion you hear about religion, and you know not.

  69. on 15 May 2014 at 12:07 pm 69.Awake & Alive said …

    your whole site reflects the inner you, every misguided deluded and sickening comment. it must suck being you

  70. on 15 May 2014 at 12:08 pm 70.Awake & Alive said …

    Your whole site is a reflection of the inner you the disgusting perverted made up deluded insanity your the expert, you believe in every delusion you hear about religion, and you know not.

  71. on 15 May 2014 at 12:44 pm 71.alex said …

    “site is a reflection of the inner you”

    a disbelief in your god is reflected how? most of the stuff here is just fluff. not smart enough to wade thru it?

    “you believe in every delusion you hear about religion”

    atheists don’t believe in your yahweh, allah, thor, et all. which part are atheists deluded in? pleez, don’t even try to lie about all atheists being republicans/liberals or ufo proponents. wake up fool, atheists don’t believe in your shit god.

    of course you won’t answer. just another drive by, talking shit, exercising your religious right to cram shit down people’s throat. you’re just another self pitiful theist motherfucker, feeling sorry for thyself, while confusing atheists nonbelief.

  72. on 16 May 2014 at 1:19 am 72.the messenger said …

    Alex, I am convinced that you are oblivious to all logic.

    I pity you.

  73. on 16 May 2014 at 3:46 am 73.alex said …

    “I pity you.”

    because i’ve called out your bullshit, as you’ve demonstrated numerous times on http://goo.gl/ib8BHO?

    for those unfamiliar, some juicy ones, courtesy of the dumbest motherfucker, messenger.

    if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage).

    Her rights are not being violated. She is the one that has power over the person that raped her. She gets to have him as a servant, that is good payback.

    She gets a free servant.

    She can leave him if she wants to.

    HOW IS GETTING A FREE SERVANT HATEFUL?

    …and the motherfucker messenger pities me? said many times before, talk is cheap. come out of your closet, messenger, and publicly state this vile position and see what happens. but, you’d rather hide behind your internet anonymity while taking a break from jacking off on your xtian porn?

    here’s your book again: http://goo.gl/ib8BHO

  74. on 16 May 2014 at 3:55 am 74.alex said …

    guess who said these? messenger motherfucker!

    there are no talking snakes or donkies in the bible.

    Allah and Yahweh are the same GOD

    I have also seen heaven my self and it is amazing.

    if you have a glass of salt water and you pour more water in(fresh water), it does not change the salinity, ph, temp or chemistry.

    Hell does not last forever.

    …the motherfucker pities me because i don’t buy his bullshit? hijo de puta. ????. connard. ???????. ?. Arschloch.

  75. on 17 Jun 2014 at 2:06 am 75.the messenger said …

    473.alex, that law gives rape victoms to take justice for what was done to her. She gets to make him serve her for his entire life. That is a good thing.

    P.S., state your real name and personal information first and state your beliefs publically as well, then I’ll do the same.

  76. on 17 Jun 2014 at 2:08 am 76.the messenger said …

    473.alex, that law gives rape victoms a chance to take justice for what was done to her. She gets to make him serve her for his entire life. That is a good thing. She can make him do hard tasks in order to make him fell the same way she felt.

    P.S., state your real name and personal information first and state your beliefs publically as well, then I’ll do the same.

  77. on 17 Jun 2014 at 3:54 am 77.alex said …

    “state your real name and personal information first and state your beliefs publically as well, then I’ll do the same.”

    says the dipshit who proclaims to be god’s messenger. you’re the idiot with the bullshit and you’re challenging people that don’t believe your b.s. to reveal their personal information?

    what are you going to do next? challenge all the muslims that don’t believe your shit into revealing their personal information?

    no, you dumb motherfucker. your disgusting position on rape is not even remotely shared by other catholics which you’re supposed to represent, but you insist that this is the way god meant it to be. but everybody here knows it’s not.

    your “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)” will never be accepted by any reasonable person and you know it.

    you’re the one thats making all these bullshit proclamation, but you’re too cowardly to publicly state it. i don’t have to do shit. i’m the motherfucker that won’t subscribe to your fucked up belief, dumbass.

    here’s the rest of your bullshit: http://goo.gl/7fbnA4

  78. on 17 Jun 2014 at 4:05 am 78.alex said …

    my name is alex and i live in the u.s. i publicly state my nonbelief in bullshit, especially this idiotic statement by the motherfucker, messenger that states that:

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)”

    i also publicly state that i don’t believe the same messenger, motherfucker that said:

    “if you have a glass of salt water and you pour more water in(fresh water), it does not change the salinity, ph, temp or chemistry”

    i also publicly sate the i don’t believe the same shit from messenger, who says that “I have also seen heaven my self and it is amazing.”

    i publicly state that i’m not affiliated with any atheist organization.

    now go fuck yourself, messenger, you dumb motherfucker.

    here’s your book again: http://goo.gl/7fbnA4

  79. on 22 Jun 2014 at 3:58 am 79.the messenger said …

    478.alex, once again you have continued to throw insults, instead of facts. That is why no one takes you seriously.

  80. on 22 Jun 2014 at 4:15 pm 80.alex said …

    “…you have continued to throw insults, instead of facts. That is why no one takes you seriously…”

    no one? that’s why everyone is swallowing your bullshit bile? the facts are that you are full of shit as demonstrated by your burgeoning pile of excrement in:
    http://goo.gl/7fbnA4

    fact is that salt water is diluted by fresh water, but yet you spewed “if you have a glass of salt water and you pour more water in(fresh water), it does not change the salinity, ph, temp or chemistry.”

    your toxic “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)” is bullshit and i’ve yet to hear from any xtian motherfucker in here that even remotely endorses it.

    you said “Hell does not last forever”, but it doesn’t jive with the catholic doctrine which you profess to represent. this makes you a lying beeyatch.

    these are facts, bitch motherfucker. the insults are free, you asshole.

    please, name the motherfuckers in here that takes you seriously? chirp, chirp? hint, do what hor does….

  81. on 23 Jun 2014 at 2:15 am 81.the messenger said …

    480.alex, your stupidity never ceases, does it?

    I pity you.

  82. on 23 Jun 2014 at 2:18 am 82.TJ said …

    Ok, Hi all. First time on this blog site.
    It amazes me after reading most of the responses above as to just how nobody seems to address the actual question posed.
    — Why would anyone believe such nonsense?
    The answer of course is no intelligent person looking rationally at the dog/poem scenario would ever believe it. Surly we can all agree on this.

    But the statement made is…”When intelligent people look at religion rationally, religion is clearly insane”

    Let’s first be sure what we are talking about when we say “religion”. In the dog/poem scenario, the first part is a crude minimal representation of shared religious concepts by Christianity & Islam & Judaism among other religious groups.

    The second part of the poem is crude minimal representation of the New Testament of which is the foundation of Christianity. Both Islam & Judaism reject the Divinity of Jesus Christ, thus the claim of the New Testiment.

    So to be fair we should note the the statement should read… “When intelligent people look at Christianity rationally, Christianity is clearly insane”

    Please let me know if anyone disagrees whit me so far. To recap “No intelligent person would believe such Christian concepts when presented in the dog/poem scenario”.

    However I ask, is the dog/poem scenario an intelligent representation of Christian Concepts? Or is it a misleading statement followed by misrepresentation taken out of context?

    What do I mean by taken out of context? you may ask. First of all does anybody here disagree that you, or anybody you know does not have the power to reason, to rationalise, to weigh up your choices? Would anybody here compare themselves to a dog driven by primal instinct unable to control their own actions based on the premise of “a dog is going to do what a dog is going to do…duh”?

    Secondly a quick read of the Biblical text (google genesis if your unfamiliar… after all it would seem unintelligent to comment without reference/familiarity with the topic) will quickly point out that the relationship between owner and dog is far from close to God and Man. Eg. the dog is not created by the owner to reflect his own image. Therefore the dog does not have the owners ability to comprehend the choice laid out, in fact the scenario completely replaces the concept of choice with the image of a hungry dog and a lonely piece of meat.

    From this point all that follows in the dog/poem scenario is completely misrepresented concepts based on a misrepresented premise designed to invoke an Atheistic base for argument.

    The real question from Atheist to Christians should be…”is this the sort of shit you believe?”
    To which the answer of course is “How could I possibly claim to be Intelligent and Rational and believe such nonsense”.

    For the question and scenario posted is folly, asked by fools.

    I await the insults.

  83. on 23 Jun 2014 at 11:52 am 83.alex said …

    “your stupidity never ceases, does it?”

    my stupidity is that I don’t believe your nonsense? that confirms why you’re the dumbass motherfucker I’ve been calling you all along.

  84. on 23 Jun 2014 at 12:10 pm 84.alex said …

    “Let’s first be sure what we are talking about when we say “religion”.”

    believing in something that’s baseless is called faith, the foundation of religion, which is insane.

    the dog article is fluff. i consider it intellectually amusing. i give props for even rolling out these articles and i guess the writer got tired, hence the absence of new ones.

    the gist of the matter is, that an all knowing god giving free will is an impossibility. that’s why xtian morons constantly struggle with this.

    idiots love to quote that god has a plan (undeviating). idiots love to say that unanswered prayers were NOT meant to be (undeviating). idiots love to say that their loved ones passed because of god’s will (undeviating). what’s left? intercessory, but statistically insignificant prayers?

    insane, anyone?

  85. on 23 Jun 2014 at 1:08 pm 85.TJ said …

    the gist of the matter is, that an all knowing god giving free will is an impossibility.

    Do you have evidence of this authoritatively stated impossibility? Or do you just know it to be true? Which I would assume would somewhat resemble faith… which one could almost consider to be a religion… as we both now know would be insane.

    You see? we could hurl logic traps at each other and come up with some clever comebacks like “you found it intellectually amusing, while I found it intellectually wanting, small things amuse small minds” or “xtian morons” or idiots and I can’t be arsed scrolling up to see what other colourful language you’ve recently used.

    I however would rather attempt to have an Intellectual and Rational discussion.

    Because you know, and I know, “that an all knowing god giving free will is an impossibility” is NOT “gist of the matter”. The gist of the matter is “why wont god heal amputees” IF God exists? True?

    Before we can ask why he won’t help those poor legless/armless people we must ask if God even exists.

    So let’s take a “God” out the picture and see what we are left with? I’m up for a discussion, are you?

    I invite you to start. Please.

    How do you justify your existence? How do explain your being “here”, in this reality?

    Your thoughts?

  86. on 23 Jun 2014 at 1:21 pm 86.TJ said …

    Oh! and the bit about the “idiots love to quote…” I would like to think of myself as not being an idiot, but if I bump into any I’ll be sure to ask on your behalf.

  87. on 23 Jun 2014 at 1:46 pm 87.alex said …

    “the gist of the matter is, that an all knowing god giving free will is an impossibility.”

    “Do you have evidence of this authoritatively stated impossibility?”

    a circle with four corners is an impossibility. if you can’t understand this, then there is no discussion, is there?

    if a god already mapped out your future actions, where the hell is your free will?

    you never heard of mutual exclusiveness? two monotheistic gods co-existing? bleh, bleh, and more fucking bleh.

    troll, motherfucker. you smell like Hor.

  88. on 23 Jun 2014 at 2:31 pm 88.TJ said …

    BTW “my name is alex and i live in the u.s. i publicly state my nonbelief in bullshit, especially this idiotic statement by the motherfucker, messenger that states that:”

    Did you come this “nonbelief in bullshit” of your own free will?

    Or where you pre ordained to feel this way without a choice?

    Or is this a DNA sequence in your genome programming to you to believe this?

    Or is is simply a random chance thing in which case it must be unreliable because it is random?

    Or is it an evolved thought process that has enable a distant relative to not be fooled into religious garble enabling him to better survive and pass on their genes?

    I grow tied of this back and forth nonsense. I choose to believe you are not so narrow minded as to not discuss the alternative to what you say is nonsense, surely?

  89. on 23 Jun 2014 at 9:42 pm 89.alex said …

    488.TJ said …

    you’re either Hor’s sock or you’re just as dumb as he is?

    you hear me proclaim that I do what I do because of xyz? no, you dumbass. you fuckers state that i do it because i have free will and at the same time, you bozos double back and say god has preordained plans.

    i say bull, because the two are mutually exclusive.

    then Hor-like, you attempt to detract by asking me why i do what i do because of possible options 1 or 2 or 3 or 4?

    you then pompously proclaim that you’re tired of the nonsense, when you’re a part of it? how about you go screw your self? you’re about to be added to the book of Hor, mofo.

    i’m narrow minded because i don’t believe in your crap? baseless faith, that’s all you have and i ain’t having it.

    you might as well admit that you’re Hor, coz you know why? you will slip, get caught, and as usual, you’ll try to play it off.

    your destiny, bitch: The Book of Hor at: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

  90. on 23 Jun 2014 at 9:49 pm 90.alex said …

    “as to not discuss the alternative to what you say is nonsense”

    i say dark matter is nonsense and i don’t have to discuss shit. bullshit is good enough.

    you say your 3 year old son can dunk and i say bullshit and i’m not obligated to present an opposing view point.

    now, go fuck yourself, Hor, motherfucker. btw, when you sock post as Hor, change the poster name, dumbass.

  91. on 23 Jun 2014 at 10:11 pm 91.alex said …

    if you don’t fess up now and you get caught as hor’s sock, it’s premeditated lying and you will have 100% confirmed that you’re a motherfucking liar.

    are you Hor or not? swear in the name of jesus? ha! ha! bitch, motherfucker, cat got your tongue?

  92. on 23 Jun 2014 at 10:46 pm 92.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “I choose to believe you are not so narrow minded as to not discuss the alternative to what you say is nonsense, surely?”

    Actually TJ he is…….lol!!!!!

    You can read one of his posts and you have then read all he has the ability to contribute….lol!!!

    A small little cult like atheism has a group who teaches evangelism and one would certainly conceive that they jave more than ” uh uh” as the backbone of their apologetic confession. However we continue to wait as it supposedly develops?

  93. on 23 Jun 2014 at 11:01 pm 93.alex said …

    “A small little cult like atheism…”

    heh! heh! all the other atheists here curse your ass like i do? so much for a cult, eh?

    careful, bitch. you are socketeering again. your stench is unmistakable. your tired ass argument that i have nothing to contribute is laughable. when is it a requirement to present an alternative to bullshit?

    of course, tj won’t respond. i guess his silence confirms that you and him are one and the same? so, in addition to your regular bullshit, you pile on some more bullsock?

    oh, look! once again, your book has magically updated itself: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    just a matter of time until tj joins the bullshit purveyor’s list.

  94. on 23 Jun 2014 at 11:31 pm 94.alex said …

    “You can read one of his posts and you have then read all he has the ability to contribute….lol!!!”

    refuting bullshit is predictably not well received in the hor clan, which includes his other selves martin, biff, xenon, boz, rl wooton, sweetness, et all.

    so he resorts to his latest sock, tj. predictably, the stupid ass hor will slip and once again proclaim that he is all of the entire internet.

    the book of hor grows: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    fez up bitch.

  95. on 24 Jun 2014 at 12:34 am 95.the messenger said …

    483.alex, dude, I have given you proof of GOD, within many of my past comments.

    The fact that you ignore hard evidence is proof that you are incompetent.

  96. on 24 Jun 2014 at 1:08 am 96.alex said …

    “I have given you proof of GOD”

    bible quotes? bullshit miracles? personal communication with god? your proofs?

    here’s your pile of shit and it grows http://goo.gl/7fbnA4

  97. on 24 Jun 2014 at 2:22 am 97.TJ said …

    I swear on the name Jesus Christ that I am not this “Hor”, you claim me to be. Nor that I am affiliated with him in any way what so ever. I had not heard of him till you accused me of being him.
    Sorry for taking so long to post reply’s… different time zones plus I have a life.

  98. on 24 Jun 2014 at 2:33 am 98.alex said …

    “plus I have a life.”

    as i sit here posting this shit while i’m working means i don’t have a life? you presumptuous fuck.

    you may not be hor, but you certainly are hor-ish. have you checked out his book? you agree with all his shit? http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    careful now. swearing on jesus don’t mean shit if you get caught socking again. but of course, there’s that redemption shit again. …for all have sinned…

  99. on 24 Jun 2014 at 2:37 am 99.the messenger said …

    496.alex, I provided thousands of eye witnesses(both religious and non religious) of a actual miracle. How is that not proof?

  100. on 24 Jun 2014 at 2:39 am 100.the messenger said …

    497.TJ, just ignore him brother. He is a small minded little man.

  101. on 24 Jun 2014 at 2:54 am 101.alex said …

    “just ignore him brother. He is a small minded little man.”

    but your book (http://goo.gl/7fbnA4), speaks/screams volumes that you truly are a dumb motherfucker.

    you call tj brother? you hope/wish he agrees with your views don’t you? but the motherfucking post of yours just keeps haunting you.

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her”

    waah, whines the messenger, motherfucker. alex is taking it out of context…..

    preach on bitch.

  102. on 24 Jun 2014 at 12:24 pm 102.TJ said …

    “plus I have a life.”
    Yes I have a life, interesting how you perceived this as a personal attack and responded as one would expect.

    “of course, tj won’t respond. i guess his silence confirms that you and him are one and the same?”

    Um…what would you like me to say?

    “just a matter of time until tj joins the bullshit purveyor’s list.
    so he resorts to his latest sock, tj. predictably, the stupid ass hor will slip and once again proclaim that he is all of the entire internet.”

    WHAT? I’m sorry but, how does any of this relate to anything I have tried to say to you? You must seriously be the most idiotic, dim witted insecure little wanker I have ever had the experience of wasting my time on. Your display of un-intelligent comment is surely not shared by all your Atheist friends.

    No attempt on your part has been made to participate in a civil discussion. Pointing to another’s material in response to my direct attempts to engage you in conversation displays what limited faculties you posses.

    I do not endorse anything you have pointed out in the link you addressed me to. Not knowing the history behind the page titled messenger, “the self appointed Representative from god. His most dumbass moments in red”, which appears to be a creation of your own as it reflects your stand point more than “the messenger’s”. I can only assume that it is a collection of dribble which may or may not have been said, twisted and contorted to be as hateful as possible much like you are attempting to do with me.

    For this reason I cannot take you seriously any more. Not when I directly engage you to comment on an issue regarding origins on a site self proclaimed to dedicate itself to discussing the existence of God and religious concepts and your response to me is what?

    Lets recap,
    firstly you agree with me, stating the main article topic is fluff. You also take the opportunity to ridicule xtians and their beliefs.

    I said…
    “Let’s first be sure what we are talking about when we say “religion”.”

    your response was…
    believing in something that’s baseless is called faith, the foundation of religion, which is insane.

    Let me say this in terms you will understand…
    You dopey little fuck! I was pointing out that the article said religion, whereas the dog/poem used to illustrate religion, dealt with concepts very specific to one religion only. A point you clearly missed.

    Before again abusing xtians you stated…
    “the gist of the matter is, that an all knowing god giving free will is an impossibility.”

    This religious statement deserves the same treatment/scrutiny as any other religious statement professed by xtians or any other religious group. To suggest otherwise would be hypocritical. To separate your statement from religious context would be perceived ludicrous in the context of this site and discussion.

    When confronted to show the logic behind your statement, as you demand of others. Even the original question posed in this topic demands intelligent rational logic to explain “Why would anyone believe such nonsense?”

    your response to…
    “Do you have evidence of this authoritatively stated impossibility?”

    was…
    a circle with four corners is an impossibility. if you can’t understand this, then there is no discussion, is there?

    Props man! possibly the most irrelevant answer ever posted on any site.

    followed by…
    if a god already mapped out your future actions, where the hell is your free will?

    Where did this quote come from? Not from me? perhaps Hor?

    You also said…
    “you never heard of mutual exclusiveness? two monotheistic gods co-existing?”
    Are you trying to point to the differing views of God held by xtians vs Judism or are you talking specificity about the way in which God describes himself as being the Father, Son and Holy Ghost whilst maintaining an image of oneness?

    Are you trying to convince me that your evidence for the statement…
    “the gist of the matter is, that an all knowing god giving free will is an impossibility.”
    …is based on logic which you yourself have dismissed as bull. I said the gist is “does a God exist?” But you say specificity “an all knowing God” on top of that a “monotheistic God”. Again we come full circle, back to is it religion or is it Christianity you are talking about? Because an “all knowing, monotheistic God” is specific to Christianity.

    You are so well versed in knowledge of all things including those things perceived to be imaginary by your own standards that you can say with certainty that an imaginary all knowing god could not possibly know how to deal with an issue like free will let alone implement it?

    You have a limited imagination.

    In a vain attempt to bring you back on topic with a question on origins and a logic challenge..
    you responded with…
    “you’re either Hor’s sock or you’re just as dumb as he is?”

    You then categorised me with others who hurt your feelings in the past(are you going to be ok?).

    Claimed I…
    “you attempt to detract by asking me why i do what i do because of possible options 1 or 2 or 3 or 4?”

    This was a perfect opportunity for you to say something meaningful and intelligent.

    Instead you…
    Quickly digressed to accuse me of being deceitful, as to conceal my identity from you. Told me to fornicate myself and threatened to add me to some book of which you place a very esteemed value on by consistently referring to with links. A book you have declared to also “be shit anyway”… oh no! if I get added, how will I ever be able to show my face again… the shame.

    You challenged me to swear on Jesus’s name only to deflate it’s worth when I did so.

    You also accused me of “socking”? WTF is this? a term used exclusively in this blog or is my inexperience with blogs in general beginning to show. I assume it is used to describe someone behaving like a sock puppet regurgitating old worn material. Unless it is something you do when your all alone, something which I would assume you are also all knowing in.

    ————————————————-
    Please, are there any Atheist or Agnostics or anyone who would be open to a thought provoking discussion on origins and the possibility of the existence of a God?
    ————————————————-

    Or has” Alex The Great” sucked the intelligence and rational completely and utterly from this blog?

  103. on 24 Jun 2014 at 12:45 pm 103.alex said …

    502.TJ said …

    bleh, bleh, motherfucking bleh.

    started reading your shit and nausea set in.

    you got nothing to say bitch. look at the postings, you dumb motherfucker. most of the shit i’ve posted in here refutes all the crap, bar none.

    yet you come in here like a pompous ass and start lecturing? your ‘you got a life’ comment is snarkly, plain and simple. you got called out on it and you respond with your righteous tirade.

    the collection i’ve listed here is not made up bullshit. i included the original wwgha links to show that it’s legit.

    now go fuck yourself.

  104. on 24 Jun 2014 at 1:13 pm 104.TJ said …

    Your awesome and thought provoking.

  105. on 24 Jun 2014 at 1:51 pm 105.alex said …

    “thought provoking.”

    i say bullshit and you want more? motherfuckers coming in here pontificating and i’m supposed to swallow it?

    look at the countless postings. they all end up nowhere. what else is left to provoke? you want me to cut and paste drivel from some other site?

    why don’t you provoke with some original shit and we’ll see? otherwise your same ole tired crap will get the same dismissive response.

  106. on 24 Jun 2014 at 1:59 pm 106.TJ said …

    “you got nothing to say bitch. look at the postings, you dumb motherfucker. most of the shit i’ve posted in here refutes all the crap, bar none.”

    I looked at the postings and… what have I said that you have refuted?

    I certainly can agree that most of what you posted is shit, and I agree that it refutes crap. Both of which I thought I avoided. You talk of me slipping… careful there’s a bit of shit dribbling off your chin.

    “your ‘you got a life’ comment is snarkly, plain and simple.”

    Did I hurt your feelings… tissue?

    Amazing how your pompous behaviour is legit and mine is bad. How did I lecture you… with logic? That must suck. You really still have nothing meaningful to say directly to me.

    Tell me, where does someone turn when being an asshole no longer achieves the desired results?

    Oh, wait! Why would I expect you to answers any hard questions, right? I mean why start now?

    Hmmm, if only I could think of something stupid to say I might get in that book of yours.

    God bless you and have an awesome day Alex.
    Oops did I just say something stupid?

  107. on 24 Jun 2014 at 2:01 pm 107.TJ said …

    “why don’t you provoke with some original shit and we’ll see? otherwise your same ole tired crap will get the same dismissive response.”

    Hey man I tried to have a conversation with you and shied away.

    If you got a topic to discuss, then let’s hear it?

    Don’t pussy foot with me.

  108. on 24 Jun 2014 at 2:22 pm 108.alex said …

    “God bless you and have an awesome day Alex.”

    nicely done. i will contemplate it. NOT, motherfucker.

    your dog article reference is a lame attempt. i said before, it boils down to an all knowing god giving free will, which of course you dismissed.

    and you had the stupid, to ask how i would know that a god with conflicting attributes CANNOT exist. how do i know that a square circle cannot exist?

    what’s to discuss? fuck yourself with your bullshit.

  109. on 24 Jun 2014 at 10:57 pm 109.TJ said …

    So once again you do not accept the opportunity to choose a topic to discuss openly, rational and intelligently.

    “your dog article reference is a lame attempt” one which you agreed with.

    You are a square! Anything that does fit within your pre defined world view, returns full circle back to “an all knowing god giving free will”! Sounds like a square and a circle can co-exist.

    But my above comment is meaningless bullshit right?

    Let’s be honest here. Your issue is not “an all knowing god giving free will”, it’s not even “if a god already mapped out your future actions, where the hell is your free will?”. Surely even you cannot deny that free will is a reality? Leaving only “a god already mapped out your future actions”.

    Guess what Alex, I agree with you. I do not believe that God has mapped out my future actions.

    ——————————————
    ——————————————
    I publicly challenge any religious group representative or individual to show me evidence that supports a God of any denomination that has ever claimed to have mapped out future actions to a point that negates choice.
    ——————————————
    ——————————————

    Before anybody points to Christianity as a prime example be sure of what you are saying. God says that he has a plan, a plan that is undeviating. He claims that his will is eternal and that his will, will be done.
    At every point in the bible when God commands something to anybody, it is presented as a choice, even to the point of “Do as I say or die”.

    Do you Alex disagree or agree and why?

    or

    Is all what I say bullshit, because the little square that you reside inside does not include the possibility of a God in the first place, therefore you shouldn’t consider thinking outside your own box.

    In which case… How do you justify your existence? How do explain your being “here”, in this reality?
    ————————————–

  110. on 24 Jun 2014 at 11:21 pm 110.alex said …

    “I publicly challenge any religious group representative or individual to show me evidence that supports a God of any denomination that has ever claimed to have mapped out future actions to a point that negates choice.”

    it’s double, bullshit talk. the biblical god is an all knowing god. period. motherfucker. there is no argument there. end of motherfucking story.

    all knowing means, knowing the past, the present and what is to be? do you agree? if you don’t there’s no discussion here, is there?

    your move, motherfucker.

  111. on 24 Jun 2014 at 11:23 pm 111.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    TJ asked:

    “Please, are there any Atheist or Agnostics or anyone who would be open to a thought provoking discussion on origins and the possibility of the existence of a God?

    TJ, that answer would be no!. lol!!! You already have seen all alex has to offer. He is fun to poke a stick at but is full or anger and hate.

    Atheist argument:

    God does not exist because we reject theist arguments.

    Problem:

    Atheist rejection of theist argument does not validate arguments.

    Result:

    The cult of atheism remains small because the vast majority of individuals cannot live in the atheist fantasy world.

    It is really simple logic to reject atheism.

  112. on 24 Jun 2014 at 11:25 pm 112.alex said …

    “How do you justify your existence? How do explain your being “here”, in this reality?”

    i don’t have to justify shit. you don’t see me making up shit. ask yourself the same question. why the fuck would an atheist, a buddist, or a muslim swallow your fucked up bullshit?

  113. on 24 Jun 2014 at 11:29 pm 113.alex said …

    “You already have seen all alex has to offer.”

    and that’s why you keep coming for more, don’t you?

    you keep trying to fuck with me, but it rings hollow. the spectre of your book just destroys your credibility, doesn’t it?

    i have no bullshit to offer so you resort to the “alex has nothing to offer”. i offer you the pile of bullshit, otherwise know as the book of hor: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    stink away, bitch, motherfucker.

  114. on 24 Jun 2014 at 11:33 pm 114.alex said …

    “God does not exist because we reject theist arguments.”

    …same reason i reject ufo motherfuckers, allah motherfuckers, yeti motherfuckers, and other bullshit motherfuckers.

    hey, i must be a buddhist.

  115. on 24 Jun 2014 at 11:55 pm 115.the messenger said …

    Alex, you are just an annoyance. Stop wasting our time and just leave this site. Please.

  116. on 25 Jun 2014 at 12:03 am 116.alex said …

    “Alex, you are just an annoyance.”

    i know, right? every time one of you motherfuckers try to peddle that bullshit, i refuse to buy and it’s driving all your customers away? wrong, motherfucker. it’s the stench from your collection: http://goo.gl/7fbnA4

    you keep posting, desperately trying to bury your foul, toxic message, but your turds just keep floating to the top of the heap, doesn’t it? here it is again, with your latest addition: http://goo.gl/7fbnA4

    and to top it off, the hor motherfucker declares that i have no bullshit to offer, therefore his bullshit is the one to buy. what a dumb motherfucker!

  117. on 25 Jun 2014 at 12:22 am 117.the messenger said …

    516.alex, I have no customers. I am not doing this for money. I am doing this for mankind.

  118. on 25 Jun 2014 at 12:32 am 118.alex said …

    “I am not doing this for money. I am doing this for mankind.”

    you’re doing it for your rapist customers. go head, messenger’s cousins, friends, and homies. rape with impunity. messenger says:

    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her(through marrage)…”

    and the motherfucker righteously protest that i cut out the rest, like it changes the meaning. here it is, for the motherfucker’s benefit.

    “…and serve her for the rest of his life.
    This is not so much a punishment, but a chance for redemption.”

    …so to mitigate the ridiculous assertion, the messenger, motherfucker declares that the addendum is redemption. it’s not even funny, it vomitomous.

    there ya go, readers. the same messenger motherfucker brings you the word of god, listen up….

  119. on 25 Jun 2014 at 2:11 am 119.the messenger said …

    518.alex, the man is bound to the woman like a slave and is forced to serve her for the rest of his life. How is that bad?

    Lastly, I don’t know any rapists.

  120. on 25 Jun 2014 at 2:47 am 120.TJ said …

    Alex said…
    all knowing means, knowing the past, the present and what is to be? do you agree? if you don’t there’s no discussion here, is there?
    your move, motherfucker.

    I do agree, so we must now have a discussion…

    I accept, with full knowledge that you will dismiss all that I say, keeping true to your boxed world view which requires no justification except that you say so. In your world view, Alex is the beginning and end of all that can be known and reasoned. When asked to, “please explain” the answer will always be “i don’t have to justify shit.”
    “Excrement needs no explanation, for it is, what it is”

    Yet this stand point is unacceptable for any other viewpoint.

    I also acknowledge that when I quote bible passages Alex will dismiss it immediately as bullshit. But if Alex knows some other place to find information claimed to come from the God of the Christen bible, which he has challenge me to elaborate on, then please point me to it and I will look it over.

    I do not accept your book of Hor as a source of Gods word. Already looked it over and rejected it based upon hateful tones that conflict with my own boxed in world view.

    discussion…
    ————————————–
    An all knowing God and Creation.(past)
    ————————————–
    The God of the Christen bible claims to be an eternal God. He also claims to be the beginning and the end, suggesting that time itself as we currently experience it, begins with creation. How else can time be perceived with out anything to perceive or to be perceived as God claims that nothing existed but himself before creation?
    To say that God experienced time before creating the various mechanisms that are used to calculate time (such as the movement of heavenly bodies or the internal clocks of atoms), would be illogical. It is this absence of time as we know it, that leaves us with the concept of eternity.

    “For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things are held together.”
    Colossians 1:15-17 (WEB); compare, Revelation 4:11

    Here it is stated that not only did God create all things for Himself, but also that his power, essence, energy, spirit or whatever you may perceive God to consist of, is woven into every aspect of the creation.

    When we look at the world through scientific lenses, it is noted that every living and non living thing has information based, mathematical limitations & laws associated that separates/distinguishes it from other things. These limitations/laws in turn determine look, smell, taste, boil, melt, diet, decay, transform, radiate, chemically bond, conductivity, colour, adhere, repel and every other property of everything every where.

    This is the Omnipresence aspect of the God of the bible. Defining Gods ability to be aware of all that is happening, because through Him all is held together. God also claims to be Omnipotent, which would make the task of keeping track effortless.

    God claims to given over power & authority enabling us the ability to critically think, rationalise and to self determine a choice. This is the image that uniquely defines God and us from all other created things. This is what free will is.If this was not so then we would all be in agreement of all things as there would no choice.

    Just as a video game coder can predict the events and their order of flow within his created game. In turn does not take away the game players ability to play to their own style within the limitations/laws of the coding that governs the video game.
    Who would enjoy a game that required you to press the green button at exactly 15sec after starting followed by left, right, up, red button etc. And that being the only possible way to play with no other options available.
    Surely this logic is such that even a child can follow.

    God claims that we were created to honour, worship and serve him. He also claims that we have the choice to reject this role for which he created us.

    God did not want mindless ‘yes’ men. He wanted companionship and pleasure from a meaningful relationship. Historically arranged marriages and forced relationships leave one or both parties unsatisfied and/or unfulfilled.

    When God created Adam he gave him a one simple choice, accept or reject me as your God to honour and serve.

    Without the existence of a choice, free will could not logically exist.

    To twist this to say that God had programmed Adam to not choose him negates a choice. To say that God foreseeing Adams rejection is proof of lack of choice is narrow.

    To say that God engineered a tempter, in the form of a serpent, to tempt Eve, in order to tempt Adam. May well be exactly how it went down.
    To say Adam lost his power to choose or that he didn’t have to begin with is akin to saying that an Omnipresence, Omnipotent God lacked the ability to make an informed and intelligent prediction.

    The Bible if full of events that trigger God to take action in response to the action of mankind, of which he willing chose to empower with the ability to choose something different to Gods will.

    All of Gods actions in the Bible are in line with keeping his original self determined unchanging plan from deviating, which was conceived before time began.

    Again God claims that he maintains his plan both in our ‘time’ and outside of time. Within our ‘life times’ we are required to make the same choice as Adam, to choose to honour and serve God or to reject him.

    God also Claims that, by our reckoning of time, in the future he will, to keep with the computer game analogy, reboot the universe, re-edit the corrupted code caused by man’s choice to reject him. Sort through the collection of software(souls), delete/reject those that reject him (eternal separation from God, is to not exist). And finally begin a new ‘time’ which will have no end.

    Alex said…
    all knowing means, knowing the past, the present and what is to be? do you agree?

    When I intelligently and rationally analyse God’s claims, I completely and utterly agree with your above statement.

    I hope this sheds light on my stance.

  121. on 25 Jun 2014 at 3:21 am 121.alex said …

    “I also acknowledge that when I quote bible passages Alex will dismiss it immediately as bullshit.”

    on the money, motherfucker. you recognize, but because you’re a dumb motherfucker, you forge ahead, smug in the knowledge that you’re free to spew your shit.

    “When I intelligently and rationally analyse God’s claims”

    you know my stance on your bullshit god, but yet you continue try to build a bullshit foundation for this discussion. back up bitch. we both agree that your god is all knowing? check?

    that’s all we agree on, so quit the goddamn pontificating on your bullshit bible. if you don’t this discussion is dead, yes?

    this is where your stoopid ass really comes to light. if your motherfucking god knew you were going to be aborted, what the fuck are you doing fucking with this blog?

    you dumbass.

  122. on 25 Jun 2014 at 3:26 am 122.alex said …

    “the man is bound to the woman like a slave and is forced to serve her for the rest of his life.”

    after he rapes her. ok, xtian motherfuckers. speak up and be recognized. here’s your chance. post it your facebook account with hashtag “#agreewitmess”. say you agree with messenger from wwgha.

    you too mess. see how many people think it’s ok. dude, you’re truly fucked up. here’s proof. http://goo.gl/7fbnA4

  123. on 25 Jun 2014 at 3:38 am 123.alex said …

    “I accept, with full knowledge that you will dismiss all that I say, keeping true to your boxed world view which requires no justification except that you say so. In your world view, Alex is the beginning and end of all that can be known and reasoned. When asked to, “please explain” the answer will always be “i don’t have to justify shit.”
    “Excrement needs no explanation, for it is, what it is””

    tell you’re going to die and you’re afraid and i will feel bad for you. is that dismissing everything you say? tell me you know to triple crop yields and i will be amazed. is that a boxed view? that’s why i call you a dumbass. you try to label with shit and it’s not true.

    try telling me that god is the explanation for planetary motion and of course i will say bullshit. press me to explain it, i would mumble something about gravity. is this “i don’t have to justify shit”?

    no you dumb motherfucker. in the context of this blog, your god and everything that goes with it is bullshit. so until you can prove otherwise, it is what it is.

    arsehole.

  124. on 25 Jun 2014 at 3:40 am 124.TJ said …

    that’s all we agree on, so quit the goddamn pontificating on your bullshit bible. if you don’t this discussion is dead, yes?

    Tell me, If you can’t discuss the bible’s claims on this site, which is dedicated to the topic of discussing religious matters between non believes and believers.

    Then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  125. on 25 Jun 2014 at 3:47 am 125.alex said …

    “Then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE ?”

    i’m waiting on my java build and refuting your bullshit?

    and i bet your god knew you were going to say:
    “Then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE ?”

    and you had to go along because your god compelled you? so much for free will. don’t feel bad. you couldn’t help yourself.

  126. on 25 Jun 2014 at 4:13 am 126.TJ said …

    Your arguments refute as much as they make sense.

    Why is it that I must provide proof…
    (Alex said)
    no you dumb motherfucker. in the context of this blog, your god and everything that goes with it is bullshit. so until you can prove otherwise, it is what it is.

    Whilst you self justify your stance with…
    “I don’t believe in bullshit and I don’t need to explain.”

    I would like to hear from someone else who shares your views, attitude or concept of double standards.

    and i bet your god knew you were going to say:
    “Then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE ?”

    I don’t need to be all knowing to predict your response.

    Your childish abuse is of non effect.

    You are an angry little man. What purpose does your presence here fulfil in your life?

    Do you feel better about yourself.

    If you truly believe all I say is shit why do you keep engaging me?

    Do you feel the need to have the last say?

    I’d like to hear from anyone else intelligently comment on…

    How Alex makes a good point… or

    Alex is correct because… or

    Tj, your views are illogical because… or

    Something, anything from someone with a functioning brain.

    I no longer have the time to waste on you directly Alex. Good luck with your Java.

  127. on 25 Jun 2014 at 4:35 am 127.alex said …

    Whilst you self justify your stance with…
    “I don’t believe in bullshit and I don’t need to explain.”

    would it be different if i said:
    I don’t believe in allah and I don’t need to explain? i bet you lika that shit, don’t you.

    “I would like to hear from someone else who shares your views, attitude or concept of double standards.”

    atheists don’t believe in your bullshit. what’s the confusion? any atheists here believe in a personal god? hello? hello? chirp. chirp.

    “You are an angry little man.”

    uhhmmm, you’re the one that caps locked and repeatedly pressed ?????????? and i’m the angry leetle man? hey boss! da plane! da plane!

    “What purpose does your presence here fulfil in your life?”

    you have a.d.d., motherfucker? i’m a java programmer and i’m waiting on my build. what about you, bitch? you fulfilling your god’s plan to aggravate the shit outta me?

    “Do you feel the need to have the last say?”

    right back, at you.

    “How Alex makes a good point… or”
    .. alex is an atheist, but he curses way too much.

    “Alex is correct because… or”
    ..because he doesn’t believe in bullshit, but he curses way too much.

    “Tj, your views are illogical because… or”
    …because you’re fullashit and you haven’t come up with anything original. that’s why you’re fullashit?

    “Something, anything from someone with a functioning brain.”

    so if you don’t like the comment, it’s from someone without a functioning brain?

    “I no longer have the time to waste on you directly Alex.”

    god planned it that way. are you saying god is fullashit?

    goodnight, bitch, motherfucker.

  128. on 29 Jul 2014 at 9:10 am 128.lawyer said …

    Atheist arguments are all presuppositional. None would hold up in court

  129. on 14 Aug 2014 at 1:53 pm 129.freddies_dead said …

    528.lawyer said …

    Atheist arguments are all presuppositional. None would hold up in court

    Do you have an argument that backs up this barely asserted claim?

  130. on 14 Aug 2014 at 2:39 pm 130.DPK said …

    “Atheist arguments are all presuppositional. None would hold up in court

    Do you have an argument that backs up this barely asserted claim?”

    Of course he doesn’t. Why would an “atheist argument” need to hold up in court? What court in the civilized world will accept “god told me to…” as a defense?
    Why do you think that is?

    This ridiculous attempt at reversing the burden of proof is no different that saying “you cannot prove Santa isn’t real.” Of course you can’t. That doesn’t make Santa real by default, does it?

  131. on 26 Sep 2014 at 6:56 am 131.Theodor said …

    ” Put a steak on the ground in front of a dog.
    Tell the dog not to eat the steak.
    If the dog eats it, punish [the dog] and every other dog you own and ever will own.
    God is great.

    Impregnate a dog with your son.
    Have your half dog half human son tell your other dogs how loving you are.
    Let your other dogs torture and kill your half dog half human son.
    Afterwards, forgive them for eating your steak in the first place.
    Despite forgiveness, continue to punish every dog you will ever own.
    Revive the half dog half human corpse and let it live in your house.
    God is great.”

    This is found in the bible. If you do not believe, read Matthew 15:22-28:
    “22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
    23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
    24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
    26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
    27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
    28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.”

    What says the biblical character here? The poor woman was like a dog in his eyes… Why? Because she was of the wrong nationality. Do you discrimante now people because they are of another nationality than yours? Of course not…

    So the text in this blog really comes from the only “good and right book” in the whole Universe… All other books are just heresy of course…

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