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Christianity Thomas on 01 Apr 2013 12:03 am

The insanity of religion – African miracle edition

Here Pat Robertson demonstrates the utter irrationality of millions of U.S. Christians:

Robertson: God gives less miracles to ‘too-educated Americans’ who learn science

On Monday’s episode of CBN’s The 700 Club, Robertson responded to a viewer who wanted to know why “amazing miracles (people raised from the dead, blind eyes open, lame people walking) happen with great frequency in places like Africa, and not here in the USA?”

Any person with any common sense would ask, “You really believe that people are raised from the dead, blind eyes are opened, lame people are walking? Where is your proof?” If these things were really happening, there would be hundreds of videos on YouTube for all to see.

Why would anyone, in this day and age, believe a lie like this? Why can’t Christians accept reality?

167 Responses to “The insanity of religion – African miracle edition”

  1. on 02 Apr 2013 at 12:50 am 1.Coyote said …

    Everyone knows that Satan deletes any YouTube videos of miracles.

  2. on 02 Apr 2013 at 2:33 am 2.Fluttershy said …

    Nope.
    God persuades every one into preserving his faith 9_9 wasnt it obvious.
    Damn theists are stupid…

  3. on 02 Apr 2013 at 2:43 am 3.Fluttershy said …

    Soooooooo…..
    Where are these regenerating amputees?
    Im not convinced until i see a mans arm phase from nothing.
    Or if i see a christard push mount everest.

  4. on 02 Apr 2013 at 10:32 am 4.alex said …

    “Everyone knows that Satan deletes any YouTube videos of miracles.”

    that’s because youtube doesn’t allow showoffs. isn’t that what hesus did when he walked on water?

    also, cruelty to animals not allowed either. remember the pigs? hesus drove the demons into the herd and made them run off the cliff.

    balaam and the talking donkey was yanked because of shrek’s copyrighted talking donkey.

  5. on 02 Apr 2013 at 10:13 pm 5.Anon said …

    It’s simple, christards are fucked up in the head.

  6. on 03 Apr 2013 at 3:17 am 6.The messenger said …

    Mr. Thomas,

    GOD has performed many miracles on Earth, and the witnesses have spoken a lot about them, yet atheists live in denial because they refuse to realize that GOD is real.

    I have presented proof of GOD, but you still deny his existence.

    Why do you ignore the proof.

  7. on 05 Apr 2013 at 12:15 am 7.Biff said …

    Any videos of nature writing DNA code? Gotta see to believe!!!

  8. on 05 Apr 2013 at 5:59 pm 8.Adam said …

    “If these things were really happening, there would be hundreds of videos on YouTube for all to see.”

    Do you think there is 1.) Video camera in Africa, like they are here? 2.) Access to the internet like we do in America?

  9. on 05 Apr 2013 at 7:09 pm 9.DPK said …

    It’s a known fact that god will never perform a miracle when there is a video camera present… or in the presence of any person who is not a moron, it would seem.
    How do you know that it’s god performing these miracles, and not some other supernatural entity?

  10. on 05 Apr 2013 at 7:23 pm 10.Biff said …

    Adam

    Why do you think there are no videos of nature growing a wing out of a snake or writing a new OS?

  11. on 05 Apr 2013 at 8:49 pm 11.DPK said …

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Gets my vote for the most stupid thing ever said by a theist here! Way to go Biff. I know I’ve called you an idiot many times before… thanks for proving me correct.

    Seriously.

  12. on 05 Apr 2013 at 9:47 pm 12.Anonymous said …

    Biffy

    nature growing a wing out of a snake or writing a new OS?

    Phew. What stinks? Oh. it’s the Biffy backflowing again!

    Maybe “high info coding” is the OS (god/nature/sea turtle) writes. Like, for instance, when the 99% of species that have ever existed have become extinct – maybe (nature/god/sea turtle) writes a new OS to fill in the niche?

    Oh sorry. Humans are just a weak watered down derivative of Adam/Eve. That’s more your speed, sorry for making you think. It must hurt!!

  13. on 05 Apr 2013 at 9:48 pm 13.The messenger said …

    on 03 Apr 2013 at 3:17 am 6.The messenger said …
    Mr. Thomas,
    GOD has performed many miracles on Earth, and the witnesses have spoken a lot about them, yet atheists live in denial because they refuse to realize that GOD is real.
    I have presented proof of GOD, but you still deny his existence.
    Why do you ignore the proof.

  14. on 05 Apr 2013 at 10:46 pm 14.DPK said …

    That ranks right up there with Christine O’Donnell asking, ” if humans evolved fro monkeys, how come we don’t see any monkeys turning into humans today?

    It’s like discussing algebra with a hamster.

  15. on 06 Apr 2013 at 12:44 am 15.alex said …

    “Why do you think there are no videos of nature growing a wing out of a snake or writing a new OS?”

    yeah, why don’t they have a video showing electrons going around the nucleus? because atoms don’t exist! dumbass!

    “Any videos of nature writing DNA code? Gotta see to believe!!!”

    is this your bullshit test?

  16. on 06 Apr 2013 at 1:06 am 16.Boski said …

    I grew up in a Christian home but when I attended college I gave up all the religion and accepted evolution and abiogenesis as the real answers to life’s big questions. Now that I have been out of college for a decade now, I am having a tougher time with science answering all my questions. The questions Beff has been asking is actually one I struggle with.

    How in the world could DNA evolve from the Big Bang? How can there be any significant meaning to life if we are just products of a Big Bang? What is Truth? Do we look to science? Philosophy? Religion?

    Anyhow just some random thoughts I have been dealing with.

  17. on 06 Apr 2013 at 2:12 am 17.Anonymous said …

    Excellent questions, Boski.
    When I gave up religion at 14 YO, I did so because of the inconsistencies of the dogma and the “fire and brimstone” thinking of the day. I have never regretted the decision. Why accept something that absolutely does not square with reality? I, personally, can’t convolute my experiences in life (education, reading, seeing, etc) to fit ANY religious mould.

    I stand awestruck by the immenseness and beauty of our world and universe. It is totally incredible, regardless of where you look – into outer space or through the microscope.

    Life should be a journey of discovery (it’s what I tell my kids). Buying into a religion tells you HOW to think. And, unfortunately, that is necessary for many people, such as many of those on this site, who have addictions issues and don’t have the ability to “right the boat” by themselves.

    Good luck in your journey. Don’t be too hard on yourself. Laugh a little. Find your balance.

  18. on 06 Apr 2013 at 3:24 am 18.The messenger said …

    Mr. 15.alex, go Away.

  19. on 06 Apr 2013 at 3:46 am 19.The messenger said …

    17.Anonymous, in Christianity/Judaism, GOD gave us free will. Therefore your statement about religion telling you how to think, is completely ludicrous. Religion offers freedom in believing whatever you want, but it also provides a set of rules, and moral guidelines that we can either choose to follow, or we can choose to believe in the unproven, irrational theories of science.

    One of these irrational theories is known as the Big Bang. Ask your self, how could all of the matter in the entire universe fit into a single speck, and how could the universe suddenly appear out of nowhere?

    There is a answer to this question. Physics is a completely useless field in science.

    Christianity provides an answer to how the universe was created. GOD made it. The universe cannot just appear by its self. Do you realize how crazy it sounds when someone says that something came from nothing all by its self?

    Given the odds, it is wise to believe in GOD, due to the fact that life has such a small chance of surviving in the universe, and yet it exists on eath. Do you think that life existing on earth was just a coincidence, or do you believe that someone created us.

    The answer is clear. We were made by a creater, and his name is Jesus.

  20. on 06 Apr 2013 at 3:58 am 20.The messenger said …

    17.Anonymous, the Bible was written at a very early time in human history. A time of barbarians and tyrants.

    So tell me, do you think that something as pure, and as perfect as the Bible could have come from a species as primitive and destructive as humans?

    There is only one answer.
    The Bible comes from GOD. The Bible contains a large amount of the information, and teaching of GOD.

    Under the command of GOD, the prophets wrote down everything that GOD told them. And those words from GOD were put into the greatest book every made, the Bible.

  21. on 06 Apr 2013 at 6:40 am 21.Fluttershy said …

    How in the world could DNA evolve from the Big Bang?

    You claimed you believed in Abiogenesis….

  22. on 06 Apr 2013 at 6:41 am 22.Fluttershy said …

    atoms don’t exist! dumbass!

    ummm….Alex…
    That was a joke, right?

  23. on 06 Apr 2013 at 12:36 pm 23.Anonymous said …

    The Mess

    GOD gave us free will. Therefore your statement about religion telling you HOW to think, is completely ludicrous.

    Excellent. For a change I agree with you Mess. It is education that teaches us HOW to think and religion that teaches us WHAT to think. I must have been tired. Thanks for pointing it out!

    If your god has OMNI-MAX powers, then free will is a moot point. We have been programmed to act exactly as we are. For instance, as I type “The Mess is a FUCKING IDIOT”, god knew in advance that I would do so. Yet he failed to prevent me from typing it because, obviously, god (or sea turtle) agrees with me.

    I should give god/sea turtle some credit for their power by allowing me to make a major goof in the original message. You see, god/sea turtle knew I would give unwarranted credit to religion for showing us HOW to think (and, of course, they allowed it to happen). Then you came along (perhaps as an agent of SATAN) and corrected the grievous error.

  24. on 06 Apr 2013 at 1:07 pm 24.The messenger said …

    23.Anonymous, GOD allows good and evil to exist because his plan is to teach us how to be good people and overcome evil.

    He knows what our choices will be, and he knows that we will all choose good in the end.

  25. on 06 Apr 2013 at 1:10 pm 25.A said …

    Boski

    Those are great questions and it seems as you are evolving you are realizing you have not been thinking for yourself. Rather, you have been letting others program you what to think. It happens to many of us after we mature and look back over our years.

    Ironically some believe thinking freely is eliminating an entire subset of ideas. You mentioned that area and for that I commend you.

    You asked “How in the world could DNA evolve from the Big Bang?”. As you have no doubt recognized, atheism refuses to even attempt to answer such a question. In fact atheism asks you accept truths that contradict what we actually observe. Keep questioning and keep studying across the broad spectrum and you will find real truth.

  26. on 06 Apr 2013 at 1:13 pm 26.A said …

    alex claim atoms don’t exist. Is this another atheist truh we grasp in faith?

  27. on 06 Apr 2013 at 1:40 pm 27.Anonymous said …

    “How in the world could DNA evolve from the Big Bang?”. As you have no doubt recognized, atheism refuses to even attempt to answer such a question.

    Atheism is simply the rejection of a belief in god(s).

    I bet if you asked “A” for an answer on the origins of DNA he would say “I have no proof, so goddidit”. The lazy man method aka religion telling him WHAT to think. There are xtian religious site that have no problem with abiogenesis, Boski. Try http://biologos.org/questions/the-origin-of-life
    It’s about finding balance.

  28. on 06 Apr 2013 at 2:10 pm 28.DPK said …

    “There is a answer to this question. Physics is a completely useless field in science.”

    He types… On a computer connected to a global network…
    Messenger, you are such a buffoon.

  29. on 06 Apr 2013 at 2:34 pm 29.DPK said …

    You asked “How in the world could DNA evolve from the Big Bang?”. As you have no doubt recognized, atheism refuses to even attempt to answer such a question.

    “Atheism” is the disbelief in supernatural gods. Why would anyone in their right mind expect “atheism” to provide an answer to a scientific question? Such is the idiocy of theistic, dogmatic thinking. It is not the purpose of atheism to explain abiogenesis anymore than it is the responsibility of those who do not believe in Bigfoot to explain dark matter.
    Once again, ASSman’s desperate attempt to shift the burden of proof appears, because he has absolutely nothing else to offer except….”we’ll, you can’t explain….”
    The tired god of the gaps argument. How many times through history have we heard this exact same argument offered as “evidence” that because something is not understood, the only possible explanation is some god did it by magic?
    Then you have the theists, with their advanced understanding of science, claiming the Big Bang never happened, that if evolution were true we should be witnessing snakes sprouting wings, physics is a useless field of science, and that humans lived on the planet and were constructing giant boats out of wood some 3 billion years ago.

    Yeah Boski, by all means, open your mind to other “possibilities”.
    Then, make a list of things science and reason has brought humanity, then a list of things religions have brought to the table. Then decide which one has the higher likely hood of finding “truth”.
    Remember, at its core, science is nothing more than a process for discovering what is true. Religion, on the other hand, starts with an assumption of what is “true”, based on myth and legend, and then looks for things to support it, while ignoring things that do not. And atheism is neither of those. Atheism is nothing more than me looking at the evidence for claims about the existence of supernatural gods and concluding that it is unconvincing.

  30. on 06 Apr 2013 at 3:20 pm 30.alex said …

    “alex claim atoms don’t exist. Is this another atheist truh we grasp in faith?”

    yeah? and i believe the earth is flat you moron! i was trying to make a point and your feeble goat herder mind wasn’t capable. you fuckers have been told countless times, what is an atheist, you fuckhead? a nonbelief in your bullshit god!

    that’s it you bitches. all that other shit, you motherfuckers keep bringing up, is just fluff. it’s not an either/or shit either. the big bang or god are not the only choices. you’re either with us or against us is pure bullshit. fuck you messenger and you can call it hate. oh, hate is not an atheist truth, you asshole.

  31. on 06 Apr 2013 at 3:31 pm 31.alex said …

    ” I am having a tougher time with science answering all my questions.”

    fuck that. you live in world that’s brought to you by science! you use the internet, consume foods courtesy of technology, and i’m sure you’re comfortable, thanks to science. but, it’s not enough? you’ve bought into the bullshit of why you’re here? and where you going?

    dump all this shit, live in a cave and follow the religious gospel bullshit to the letter and see how you like. like all the other theist fuckers, you like to pick and choose. predictably, you’ll skip all the other holy shit and rationalize them (like that fuckhead messenger) and then proceed to the yummy redemption that comes with the delicious virgens.

    get over it and try to do good. me and you will be dead and that’s it, unless somebody proves otherwise.

  32. on 06 Apr 2013 at 3:41 pm 32.Anonymous said …

    The title of this blog post is “The insanity of religion – African miracle edition” – it’s not “how many sock-puppets can Horatio rustle up in order to derail the conversation”.

    Please, can we just ignore the troll and also ignore his tiresome parroted remarks?

  33. on 06 Apr 2013 at 4:08 pm 33.Boski said …

    A,

    I can assure you I have not cut off any possibilities. I recognize the bias that exists by many out there. I was among them at one point.

    DPK,
    as a fellow atheist you need to realize science and religion have two entirely different purposes. You compare the two as if they are competing. Religion is not in the biz of developing medicines or developing new technologies. That is the purpose of science. Science is not in the biz of truth finding.

    The questions I ask are real but not new. Closing off our mind due to hate or bad experiences is only cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    alex,

    I don’t know what your problem is but you seem to have much anger and hate in your heart.

  34. on 06 Apr 2013 at 4:36 pm 34.The messenger said …

    27.DPK, computer technology and the Internet have nothing to do with physics.

  35. on 06 Apr 2013 at 5:01 pm 35.Anonymous said …

    Boski
    “Science is not in the biz of truth finding.”

    Then anthropology is worthless? Astronomy also?

  36. on 06 Apr 2013 at 5:24 pm 36.The messenger said …

    Medical science us the only useful form of science.

  37. on 06 Apr 2013 at 5:25 pm 37.Anonymous said …

    “Science is not in the biz of truth finding.”

    For fucks sake. You’re either and idiot or a troll.

  38. on 06 Apr 2013 at 5:45 pm 38.DPK said …

    “Religion is not in the biz of developing medicines or developing new technologies. That is the purpose of science.”
    Historically, religions role has been to fight, tooth and nail, any scientific discoveries that seem to threaten religion’s dogma. This is undeniable truth. Ask Galileo how well religion stayed out of the way of scientific progress and discovery. Case in point are the crazy ass theists here now who continue to deny the fact that life developed via evolution and natural selection… one of the most widely held and overwhelmingly supported scientific theories there is.

    “Science is not in the biz of truth finding.”

    WHAT?? Truth finding is the ONLY business of science. What an absurd statement.

    Look, go search for your fulfillment if you want. Just realize that humans have existed for a fraction of a second in cosmological time, and occupy such an indescribably tiny fraction of the cosmos. How arrogant of you to think that the universe was created for you, or that it somehow owes your life meaning. You were lucky to be born a sentient being… enjoy and celebrate that. If you find that your life is meaningless without the promise of another one when this one is over, or without believing that the magical creator of the universe is your personal friend, and will judge you and reward or punish you for all eternity… well, I fell kind of sorry for you.

  39. on 06 Apr 2013 at 6:56 pm 39.A said …

    Boski

    Those is the know realize science is not truth discovery. It is the work of what can be proven in the moment with the scientific method. That is pure science when it is not politically or ideologically corrupted. Then there is a whole area science accepted on faith with no consideration of the scientific method.

    I like what Popper had to say:

    “The old scientific ideal of episteme– of absolutely certain, demonstrable knowledge– has proven to be an idol. The demand for scientific objectivity makes it inevitable that every scientific statement must remain tentative for ever.”

    K.Popper

  40. on 06 Apr 2013 at 7:55 pm 40.The messenger said …

    Mr. 37.DPK, physics serves no perpose in helping humanity become better, kinder, or more loving.

    Religion is the base of all that is moral and good in our world.

  41. on 06 Apr 2013 at 8:01 pm 41.alex said …

    “I don’t know what your problem is but you seem to have much anger and hate in your heart.”

    says the moron, who’s considering the god who murdered countless people, loves the smell of burnt flesh, and condemns people to hell.

    what the fuck does my demeanor have to do with anything? your fellow morons like to claim that i represent atheists, which is total bullshit. i’m a black midget, does not mean all atheists are? moron.

  42. on 06 Apr 2013 at 9:03 pm 42.DPK said …

    “The demand for scientific objectivity makes it inevitable that every scientific statement must remain tentative for ever.”

    Very true… because the foundation of science is that something can always be proven wrong, and science is always open to new ideas and ways of explaining things, when evidence is presented.
    Can religion make the same claim?
    Sadly, no.
    “A” and his sock puppets are the only ones here claiming to know things they in fact do not know. The assumption is that anything that is not readily explained is claimed as the work of some mysterious god. Curiously they cannot even agree among themselves who this god is, what his properties are, what he did and how, or what he wants. So, they argue and bicker and fight among themselves about which of their imagined gods is real, and they occasionally fight wars and kill each other over it. But they become really, really incensed when people point out the obvious.. that their particular god is just as imaginary as every other god throughout history. That really gets them going. They would much rather you believe in some other god, even one they KNOW is completely imaginary, than none at all.
    Crazy doesn’t even begin to describe it.

  43. on 06 Apr 2013 at 9:36 pm 43.The messenger said …

    40. Alex, GOD does not love the smell of burning flesh, and he does not murder anyone.

    GOD allows people to die because it is their time to go to either heaven, hell, or purgatory.

    Yes, God does condem some people to hell, but only because they deserved it. And for the thousandth time, hell is only temporary.

    Once you have payed off your sentence you are able to leave and go to purgatory for a second chance to do good things in life. Once that is over, you can go to Heaven.

  44. on 07 Apr 2013 at 12:51 am 44.alex said …

    messenger, go fuck your self.

  45. on 07 Apr 2013 at 1:27 am 45.DPK said …

    As messenger has been told many time before: according to the teachings of the holy Roman Catholic Church, of which he claims to be a member, hell is eternal. Once you go there, you can never get out.
    http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/why-is-hell-eternal

    Messenger is a heritic. By failing to accept the fundamental articles of faith of the church, he is in a state of mortal sin and is going to hell himself.

    Hahaha…. I’ll see you ther, messenger!

  46. on 07 Apr 2013 at 12:36 pm 46.DPK said …

    “40. Alex, GOD does not love the smell of burning flesh, and he does not murder anyone.”

    Proof messenger has never read the bible.
    Become here proclaiming himself to be the messenger of god, and he has never even read the bible, which is supposed to be gods word.
    Hint, messenger… You’re famous for googling stuff and pasting mountains of drivel… Do a little research and see if you can find god killing people ( he is the greatest mass murdered ever!). Then google “burnt offerings” and read about what a disgustingly sick individual your god used to be.
    Then ask yourself why an all loving god would require a human sacrifice to atone for someone’s sins?

  47. on 07 Apr 2013 at 1:00 pm 47.The messenger said …

    46.DPK, GOD wanted the offerings to be Burt because fire is sacred to him.

  48. on 07 Apr 2013 at 1:01 pm 48.The messenger said …

    46.DPK, the bible does not state weither or not GOD loved the smell or not.

  49. on 07 Apr 2013 at 1:05 pm 49.The messenger said …

    Mr. 45.DPK, Hell was eternal, until GOD came down from heaven and opened the gates of heaven to all people who seek forgiveness for their sins.

    You have failed again.

  50. on 07 Apr 2013 at 1:11 pm 50.The messenger said …

    45.DPK, that link that you posted states that if the bond between GOD and a man is broken, the man will be sent to hell.

    But it fails to state the fact that if the man is sorry for the sins that he commited, he will be forgiven, and he will go to heaven or purgatory.

  51. on 07 Apr 2013 at 2:29 pm 51.The messenger said …

    46.DPK, God never asked or desired human sacrifices you idiot.

    2 Kings 21:6 ESV

    And he burned his son as an offering and used fortune-telling and omens and dealt with mediums and with necromancers. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger.

    The following verse from the bible states that human sacrifice is EVIL.
    Therefore, GOD does not approve or desire human sacrifices.

  52. on 07 Apr 2013 at 2:33 pm 52.The messenger said …

    The following verse from The Bible states that human sacrifice is wrong.

    Deuteronomy 18:10 ESV / 44 helpful votes

    There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer

  53. on 07 Apr 2013 at 2:41 pm 53.The messenger said …

    GOD was testing Abraham when he told him to sacrifice his son.

    It was a way to test his loyalty.

    And because Abraham remained loyal to GOD, GOD sent one of his angels to tell Abraham not to sacrifice his son.

  54. on 07 Apr 2013 at 2:44 pm 54.The messenger said …

    GOD saved Abrahams son from being sacrificed.

    He never wanted a human sacrifice, he only wanted to test Abraham’s loyalty.

  55. on 07 Apr 2013 at 7:10 pm 55.RC said …

    “Do a little research and see if you can find god killing people”

    Actually, it impossible for God to kill. This is true only with God due to His unique position. Since he is the giver of all life it his His to take anytime he desires. Therefore God can never kill.

  56. on 07 Apr 2013 at 7:47 pm 56.Anonymous said …

    rc, you are a fucking moron.

  57. on 07 Apr 2013 at 10:51 pm 57.DPK said …

    So, you simply redefine the word “kill” to rationalize your decision.
    When god supposedly drowned every living creature on the earth, save Noah and his family and some untold billions of species on the ark, how did he kill them all without killing them?
    Despite your attempt at special pleading, they were all just as dead. Therefore, that makes you full of shit. Hahaha.

  58. on 08 Apr 2013 at 12:30 am 58.The messenger said …

    Mr. 57.DPK, GOD only kills things that have evil.

    The number of animals on the ark is unknown.

  59. on 08 Apr 2013 at 2:31 am 59.DPK said …

    So, all the animals were evil?
    How about all the babies, William? They were evil too, huh?
    God, you’re an imbecile.

  60. on 08 Apr 2013 at 2:42 am 60.The messenger said …

    59.DPK, let me reword that sentence.

    GOD only kills people when it is time for them to go to heaven, or hell. He only sends people to hell, if they have lived sinful lives and fail to seek redemption.

    Animals do not have souls, therefore they are neither good or evil.

    No, the babies were not evil, but humanity was evil durring that time, so therefore they would have been raised to be evil. So GOD destroyed there mortal bodies and sent there souls to heaven.

  61. on 08 Apr 2013 at 2:43 am 61.DPK said …

    Ok, let’s review… First you said that god never murdered anyone. Then you said he only killed evil people. Which one is true, and which is a lie?
    Then you said that god does not condone human sacrafice… But god needed Jesus to sacrafice himself to himself to “pay” for mans sins. So your claim about human sacrafice is also a lie.
    Then you said god does not love the smell of burning flesh. But the bible says:

    [9] but its entrails and its legs he shall wash with water. And the priest shall burn the whole on the altar, as a burnt offering, an offering by fire, a pleasing odor to the LORD.
    [13] but the entrails and the legs he shall wash with water. And the priest shall offer the whole, and burn it on the altar; it is a burnt offering, an offering by fire, a pleasing odor to the LORD.
    [17] he shall tear it by its wings, but shall not divide it asunder. And the priest shall burn it on the altar, upon the wood that is on the fire; it is a burnt offering, an offering by fire, a pleasing odor to the LORD.

    William, have you ever READ the bible? I have. You obviously have no idea what is actually in the bible. I suggest you read it… And THEN come back and tell us what is actually in there, because you are clueless!

  62. on 08 Apr 2013 at 2:45 am 62.The messenger said …

    Mr. 59.DPK, in comment 58, I misspoke.

    My bad.

    So I corrected my mistake in comment 60.

    I apologize for comment 58.

  63. on 08 Apr 2013 at 2:52 am 63.The messenger said …

    Mr. 61.DPK, there is a difference between killing, and murder.

    Killing is simply destroying the mortal body of a person.

    Murder is when you kill someone for unjust reasons such as greed, jealousy, or hate.

    GOD killed those evil people because they needed to be punished in hell.

    GOD causes good people to die because it is their time to go to heaven.

  64. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:05 am 64.The messenger said …

    61.DPK, when you stated “burning flesh”, I thought that you were referring to human flesh.

    My mistake.

    The sacrificing of an animal is a way to show respect and loyalty to GOD. They people would slaughter an animal and burn it as a way to show that they are thanking GOD for his gifts.

    The odor mentioned in those bible verses is metaphorical. The odor represents they loyalty and love of the people who are sacrificing the animal. It pleases GOD when people show loyalty and love toward him. Why do you not understand this.

    Jesus is GOD. And GOD did not need to die unordered to open the gates of heaven, but he chose to open heaven by dying because he wanted to show humans that he can forgive all sins, and withstand death.

  65. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:07 am 65.The messenger said …

    on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:05 am 64.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    61.DPK, when you stated “burning flesh”, I thought that you were referring to human flesh.
    My mistake.
    The sacrificing of an animal is a way to show respect and loyalty to GOD. They people would slaughter an animal and burn it as a way to show that they are thanking GOD for his gifts.
    The odor mentioned in those bible verses is metaphorical. The odor represents they loyalty and love of the people who are sacrificing the animal. It pleases GOD when people show loyalty and love toward him. Why do you not understand this.
    Jesus is GOD. And GOD did not need to die in order to open the gates of heaven, but he chose to open heaven by dying because he wanted to show humans that he can forgive all sins, and withstand death.

  66. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:08 am 66.DPK said …

    Mr. 45.DPK, Hell was eternal, until GOD came down from heaven and opened the gates of heaven to all people who seek forgiveness for their sins.

    After you read the bible, buy a dictionary and discover what “eternal” means, because you don’t understand that either.

    You are so funny.

  67. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:19 am 67.The messenger said …

    I did not lie.

    GOD does not want humans to sacrifice the lives of other humans. That is what the bible states.

    That is what I was tying to explain to you in my comments.

    GOD was not entirely human anyways.
    GOD can sacrifice himself if he wants to, he has that authority.
    And he came back to life.

  68. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:27 am 68.The messenger said …

    DPK, the word (eternal) is used to stress the enormous amount of time before humans were allowed to leave, and go to purgatory and heaven.

    Why do you fail to understand this?

  69. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:31 am 69.alex said …

    “Hell was eternal, until GOD came down from heaven and opened the gates of heaven to all people who seek forgiveness for their sins.”

    …and how the fuck does this happen after you’re dead? you recruit the other bozos, you know, the ones who inserted the “m” in “moron” (mormon), to baptize your surrogate after you’re dead. it’s the xtian double indemnity card. you can do whatever the fuck you want and if you’re having too much fun and fergit to redeem your shit, dial the church of the blather-day saints and they will hook you up.

    get the fuck outta here. what, you don’t understand my post? no wonder, you don’t understand the bible, you, you….

  70. on 08 Apr 2013 at 4:43 am 70.The messenger said …

    69.alex, please go see a doctor.

  71. on 08 Apr 2013 at 10:59 am 71.Fluttershy said …

    69.alex, please go see a doctor.

    He looks fine to me….
    Although, you believe in ressurection, so please get to a sink.

  72. on 08 Apr 2013 at 11:40 am 72.RC said …

    “So, you simply redefine the word “kill” to rationalize your decision.”

    Maybe the word murder would work better for you. God cannot immorally take life because He is the giver of life and can take it when He wills. He entrusts life with you for a time and then takes it. Thank Him for the time you get.

  73. on 08 Apr 2013 at 12:33 pm 73.Anonymous said …

    We need to stop pandering to these delusional theists.

    RC, the messenger, Solomon, are mentally ill. We need to lock them up, throw away the key, and make sure their like never reproduce in order to protect the population from their dangerous nonsense.

  74. on 08 Apr 2013 at 12:36 pm 74.The messenger said …

    alex, GOD gave those souls a chance to redeem themselfs in purgatory, so that they can go to heaven.

    GOD will forgive all sins, as long as people truly want to become good.

  75. on 08 Apr 2013 at 12:39 pm 75.The messenger said …

    73.Anonymous, the teaching of Christianity and Judaism will make the world a better place.

    Christianity and Judaism have spread love and kindness throughout the world.

  76. on 08 Apr 2013 at 12:58 pm 76.DPK said …

    72… Again, you are just special pleading by saying that anything your god supposedly does is good, because if it wasn’t, he wouldn’t do it. Kind of like the poster:
    Rule one: the boss is always right.
    Rule two: in the event the boss is wrong, refer to rule #1

    Redefining terms. Messenger said that god only kills evil people. Well, first he said god doesn’t kill anyone, thennchangedvhis tune. But, the first born of Egypt… Infants slaughtered in their cribs. Where they evil? The children that god drowned in the great flood? Hard core evil? Yountheistsvarevso thoroughly deluded you don’t even recognize the nonsense you spout.

    73…. Oh great! Now assman will return and claim that all atheists want to imprison and sterilize Christians….. Just like the evil, devil worshiping monsters he knew we were!
    Now we have to listen to him play the persecutation card.

  77. on 08 Apr 2013 at 1:36 pm 77.alex said …

    “We need to stop pandering to these delusional theists.”

    profanity is best. remember, i’m going to hell. what could be a worse thing to say to another.

    btw, somebody said that “whoever believes in the wrong god, goes to hell”. atheists win?

  78. on 08 Apr 2013 at 2:12 pm 78.Anonymous said …

    Well, all Assman has to do is pray for his god to send us a sign that he is real. Otherwise, yes, we should lock him up for good.

    As for his paranoia. Who the fuck cares? He’s mentally ill and there’s no point in listening to the rantings of a lunatic.

  79. on 08 Apr 2013 at 2:42 pm 79.The messenger said …

    76.DPK, I never said that GOD does not kill people.

  80. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:10 pm 80.DPK said …

    68.The messenger said …

    “DPK, the word (eternal) is used to stress the enormous amount of time before humans were allowed to leave, and go to purgatory and heaven.

    Why do you fail to understand this?”

    Why do I fail to understand this? Why do YOU fail to understand what “eternal” means:
    without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing ( opposed to temporal )
    2. perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling; eternal chatter.

    When the church teaches that when a soul is sent to hell it is for ETERNITY… YOU don’t get to re-define eternity just so your god doesn’t look like a maniacal monster.

    You are crazier that ASSman who continues to claim that 21% of atheists believe in god. News flash, that’s like the 30% of vegetarians who eat meat. If you eat meat, you are NOT a vegetarian… if you believe in a god, you are NOT and atheist, and if punishment in hell is eternal, you are NEVER getting out…!

    Why do you have to constantly make excuses for your god? Why do you have to constantly change your story and re-define words, and make shit up? Why are you so incredibly stupid?

  81. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:21 pm 81.The messenger said …

    OMr. 61.DPK, there is a difference between killing, and murder.
    Killing is simply destroying the mortal body of a person.
    Murder is when you kill someone for unjust reasons such as greed, jealousy, or hate.
    GOD killed those evil people because they needed to be punished in hell.
    GOD causes good people to die because it is their time to go to heaven.

  82. on 08 Apr 2013 at 4:28 pm 82.DPK said …

    “No, the babies were not evil, but humanity was evil durring that time, so therefore they would have been raised to be evil.”

    But I thought that had free will? How can you say they would have been evil? They had the right to choose to be good or evil. If god knew that they would be evil, then they had no choice.

    Why do you dismiss everything that you can’t explain by saying it is metaphorical? How do you decide what is metaphorical and what is literal? Why would god allow something to be written in his bible if it wasn’t what he meant? Why does god need someone like YOU to explain to ME what he ACTUALLY meant?

    William, so many excuses, so much circular reasoning, so much but, but, but…. can’t you see there is a much simpler explanation for all this that actually fits the facts and does not require endless excuses and special pleading?

  83. on 08 Apr 2013 at 7:22 pm 83.The messenger said …

    80.DPK, I know the dictionary definition of eternal.

    You fail to understand that the word eternal, as used in the bible, is only used to stress the long period of time before the gates of heaven where opened. The dictionary definition does not apply for that situation, because it is simply a tool used to stress the extremely long period of time before the gates of heaven were opened to humans.

  84. on 08 Apr 2013 at 7:27 pm 84.The messenger said …

    Mr. 82.DPK, yes they did infact have free will, but society was so corrupt durring that time that most of them would likely have grown up to be evil.

    So in order to save them from becoming evil, GOD ended their time on earth and sent them to heaven.

  85. on 08 Apr 2013 at 8:08 pm 85.RC said …

    “RC, the messenger, Solomon, are mentally ill. We need to lock them up, throw away the key, and make sure their like never reproduce in order to protect the population from their dangerous nonsense.”

    Yes sir Lenin Mao!

  86. on 08 Apr 2013 at 8:30 pm 86.Anonymous said …

    I think you mean than you Yahweh. After all, if you believe in your nonsense, it was he who gave you your mental illness. Trying to shift direction just shows that you are afraid to prove that your god exists.

    Again. Mentally ill adults who have imaginary friends, should be institutionalized. You don’t have to like it but it’s for your own good.

  87. on 08 Apr 2013 at 8:46 pm 87.RC said …

    “Mentally ill adults who have imaginary friends, should be institutionalized.”

    We agree but I believe in God. Mentally ill individuals who would like to lock up 80-90% of the world should be institutionalized. Seriously, you are the stuff of which dangerous, sick and twisted murderous dictators are created from.

  88. on 08 Apr 2013 at 9:21 pm 88.alex said …

    “Yes sir Lenin Mao!”

    yessir! let the xtian pseudo persecufucktion begin. wah! they won’t let me build my nazarene fucking scene. they won’t let me build a cross on the park entrance. wah! they won’t put god on the currency! oh, wait…

    “Mentally ill individuals who would like to lock up 80-90% of the world should be institutionalized.”

    just keeping sucking on that blue pill, moron. the few who’ve tasted the red pill know the real score. that’s exactly what happened to gallileo when the 80-90% of the world, didn’t believe him. fuckhead.

    oh, don’t bother reading this post. it’s too complicated for your fucked up xtian mind.

  89. on 08 Apr 2013 at 9:30 pm 89.Anonymous said …

    RC, all you need do is get your god to prove he is real. That way you can prove that you are sane, after all.

    If you are mentally ill, then you will make excuses. If your god is real, then you’ll be able to provide proof.

    All you have so far is excuses and diversions. It’s pretty obvious that you are suffering from a delusion. You need help to address your mental illness. I hope you get it. Society needs to be free from sickos that have imaginary friends.

  90. on 08 Apr 2013 at 9:46 pm 90.The messenger said …

    82.DPK, metaphors helped people durring that time period to understand the messages of the bible.

    But sadly people have abandoned GOD, and forgot how to interopate the Bible.
    Therefore people like me, are here to help restore the knowlage of the bible.
    Some parts of the bible are metaphorical, and some parts are literal
    I will explain it to you.

  91. on 08 Apr 2013 at 11:16 pm 91.RC said …

    “RC, all you need do is get your god to prove he is real.”

    Absolutely, and He has. Many disagree on the nature, but 80-90% of the world has seen the proof. What you need to be doing is asking why you can’t see it?

    Seriously, you guys need to stop locking up those of us who can see and ask why are you so angry and hateful? Why can’t you see what everyone else can see? I personally think it is a personality disorder since the majority of your group carry the same hate and anger. I wish you all the best. Get some counseling.

  92. on 08 Apr 2013 at 11:35 pm 92.alex said …

    “Why can’t you see what everyone else can see?”

    you realize the rest of the world doesn’t believe in your bullshit god? pick any god, it don’t matter, but you can’t, because you so stoopid and dumb. hate and anger? you fuckers brandish hell like a fucking sword, tryin to scare folk and shit and you say atheists hate?

    “Get some counseling.”

    you’re trolling an atheist site and you’re advising?

    “Absolutely, and He has.”

    no, he don’t. all you got is bullsheyat. what, the frozen waterfall bullshit? fucking more dna coding?

  93. on 09 Apr 2013 at 12:27 am 93.Anonymous said …

    So, RC has no proof at all that his god is real. None whatsoever.

    What he is left with is “you’re angry”.

    And you’re mentally ill.

  94. on 09 Apr 2013 at 12:23 pm 94.Anonymous said …

    By the way, RC was asked to *prove* that his god was real – did he produce any proof? No, not even close. He didn’t even try.

    All RC did was go off on a paranoid cry-baby rant in an attempt to avoid having to think for himself. What an Epic Fail.

    Delusional Christian is delusional

  95. on 09 Apr 2013 at 2:43 pm 95.DPK said …

    “Therefore people like me, are here to help restore the knowlage of the bible.”

    hahahahha… THAT is the funniest thing I have read here in a long, long time messenger.

    It is obvious to anyone who has actually read the bible that YOU have not. Yet, you are here to “interopate”[sic] it for the rest of us.

    That’s good.

  96. on 09 Apr 2013 at 5:17 pm 96.A said …

    RC,
    Personality disorder is accurate for atheists. Auspergers syndrome is prevelant with their kind. The anger is just hatred with anyone not like them.

  97. on 09 Apr 2013 at 5:35 pm 97.DPK said …

    “RC,
    Personality disorder is accurate for atheists…”

    Now, would this be true for the atheists who believe in god, or is it mainly among the theists who don’t know what “atheist” means? Or, perhaps it’s only the 13% of atheists who are vegetarians who happen to eat meat?

    Really, A… no one here takes anything you say seriously anymore… you’ve proven your idiocy way too many times. Now bring Biff back… hahaha.

  98. on 09 Apr 2013 at 9:43 pm 98.the messenger said …

    95.DPK,I have read the entire Bible, and I understand it.

    You and every other atheist in the world fails to understand it’s true meanings.
    Why are you Atheists so stupid?

  99. on 10 Apr 2013 at 4:28 am 99.DPK said …

    What is auspergers syndrome? Sounds like a preference for hamburgers made from Australian cattle.

    I guess you meant Asberger’s Syndrome? And it’s not that many atheists have Asperger’s, it’s actually that many adults with Asperger’s are atheists. So are many scientists, and a great many highly educated and highly intelligent people.

    Individuals with Asperger’s tend to be highly intelligent, logical, and critical thinkers, so it’s no surprise they would tend to reject religious none sense, which requires a deficiency of all those traits.

    I guess you missed the critical thinking class in ASStrophysicist skool, huh, A?
    Once again, do you have a point? Does your critical thinking lead you to conclude that because many individuals with Asperger’s don’t believe in gods, that somehow means gods exist? That’s like saying that because many Down’s patients do believe in god, that therefore god must be imaginary.

    Thanks for once again showing us what a complete moron you are. Keep up the good work.

  100. on 10 Apr 2013 at 1:10 pm 100.Severin said …

    #48
    “46.DPK, the bible does not state weither or not GOD loved the smell or not.”

    Really? How about this one:
    Leviticus Chapter 1
    The Lord called to Moses and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting. He said, ” … It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, AN AROMA PLEASING TO THE LORD”

    Why are you trying to say ANYTHING if you don’t know a shit about your own religion?

    What are you?
    An idiot, a liar, a fraud, …?

    Yes, you are.

  101. on 10 Apr 2013 at 1:31 pm 101.Severin said …

    Oh, I am sick and tired of those Messenger, A, Bif, … morons.

    I cant read their idiocies without getting impulse to vomit.
    Life is so nice without them and their gods.

    I will take another long pause!
    I have a new girl friend, and we are enjoying heaven.

    I am now absolutely sure I will die and go to nothingness with a smile on my lips!
    Whenever the time comes.

    Enjoy life, people!

  102. on 10 Apr 2013 at 3:04 pm 102.DPK said …

    “98.the messenger said …

    95.DPK,I have read the entire Bible, and I understand it.”

    More lies, William? What would Jesus think about you “bearing false witness”?

    It is 100% obvious to anyone who has actually read the bible that YOU have not. Otherwise you wouldn’t need to be constantly backtracking, apologizing, and saying.. “what I actually meant to say was…”

    Remember when you said that god doesn’t kill anyone? No person who has read the bible would EVER make a statement like that. Of course, after your falsehood was pointed out, you backtracked and said… “Well, what I MEANT was…”

    Remember when you told us you had gone to heaven and visited with god? Then you admitted that was also a lie. You are just like all the other theists here. You have no trouble telling outright lies in order to get someone to believe you. Then when you are caught, you start to tap dance and try to change the subject in the hope that no one will notice.

    You are so transparent and ridiculous.

  103. on 12 Apr 2013 at 2:22 am 103.Miles said …

    “You really believe that people are raised from the dead, blind eyes are opened, lame people are walking? Where is your proof?”

    Same proof we have for abiogenesis, parallel universes and alien seeding. So I must ask, why doesn’t this blog call them into question?

    “If these things were really happening, there would be hundreds of videos on YouTube for all to see.”

    Why? There is mo video of Lincoln’s childhood, JFK’s birth or Obama meetings in the Oval office or the evolution of man from the latest hypothesis. This question in no way proves your claim.

    As is typical the rabid liberal atheist, they set a higher standard of proof for things they do not want to believe than the things they do want to believe.

  104. on 12 Apr 2013 at 4:29 am 104.DPK said …

    “Same proof we have for abiogenesis, parallel universes and alien seeding. So I must ask, why doesn’t this blog call them into question?”

    Simply because this site is about god and religion, not parallel universes an alien seeding. What part don’t you get?

    You really equate the fact that here is no recorded or verifiable proof of people “rising from the dead, blind eyes opened and lame people walking” TODAY with their being no video of Lincoln’s childhood?
    How deranged are you? Do we really even need to point out the stupidity of such a statement?

  105. on 12 Apr 2013 at 5:20 am 105.alex said …

    “Same proof we have for abiogenesis, parallel universes and alien seeding.”

    so you admit that the dead walking, blind seeing, & walking lame are all bullshit?

    “liberal atheist”

    you are an idiot. an autistic african bushman is liberal?

    “they set a higher standard of proof for things they do not want to believe than the things they do want to believe.”

    i don’t want to believe in bullshit, simple as that. i believe in medicine and seatbelts motherfucker, same as you. what is the higher standard?

  106. on 12 Apr 2013 at 5:32 am 106.the messenger said …

    102.DPK, YOU LIE AGAIN.

    You stated in comment 102 that I stated GOD never killed anyone.

    That is a total lie.

    I never stated that GOD does not kill anyone: rc stated that in the following comment.

    (55.RC said …
    “Do a little research and see if you can find god killing people”
    Actually, it impossible for God to kill. This is true only with God due to His unique position. Since he is the giver of all life it his His to take anytime he desires. Therefore God can never kill.)

    I have presented proof that DPK is a total LIAR!!!!!!!!!!

  107. on 12 Apr 2013 at 5:34 am 107.the messenger said …

    106.alex, if we abandon GOD’s teachings like you have, we will all become stupid just like you.

  108. on 12 Apr 2013 at 10:21 am 108.Fluttershy said …

    it impossible for God to kill

    Well…i know english, and that means that god doesn’t kill anyone…

  109. on 12 Apr 2013 at 10:22 am 109.Fluttershy said …

    106.alex, if we abandon GOD’s teachings like you have, we will all become stupid just like you.

    Alex is not stupid, he is just rude -__-

  110. on 12 Apr 2013 at 10:40 am 110.Anonymous said …

    RC gets cornered, so he posts as A. A gets cornered, so he posts as Lou. Lou gets cornered, so he posts as Miles. Yet, under none of his identities, did he even try to offer proof of the existence of this so-called god of his. Horatio, is nothing more than a troll.

  111. on 12 Apr 2013 at 11:47 am 111.A said …

    Anonymous,

    I am also RC, Messenger, Solomon, Anonymous, AntiTheist, Lou, alex, fluttershy, DPK and Thomas.

    There, it is all out. Now you can stop obsessing over who is wearing what like a giggling 18 yr old at a prom!

    Pardon me, I am going to now comment to my other me, Miles.

    Miles,

    The truth about atheists is that none of their objections is regarding proof. Of course they will make the claim, but in reality it is just about their obsession over God. They accept numerous claims presented by science only supported by assumptions.

    See if you can find a blog objecting to Crick’s Panspermia or Abiogenesis. Aliens are as much a religion as atheism, Buddhism and Taoism.

  112. on 12 Apr 2013 at 11:59 am 112.the messenger said …

    108.Fluttershy, the point is that I have never made the”god does not kill” statement.

    RC made that statement, but not me.

  113. on 12 Apr 2013 at 12:00 pm 113.the messenger said …

    111.A , you are not me.

  114. on 12 Apr 2013 at 1:25 pm 114.DPK said …

    108.Fluttershy, the point is that I have never made the”god does not kill” statement.

    Right, you said god does not “murder” anyone. And then you redefined anyone who god kills as being deserving of death, because otherwise god wouldn’t have killed them.
    Like the millions of innocent babies god killed in the great flood… Not murder. The first born of Egypt… Killed during Passover… Not murder, they were evil…

    Then you claim “eternal” does not mean what it means. So you change the definition to suit what you want it to mean in order for your delusion to be maintained.
    You are soon full of bullshit you don’t even know it anymore. This is called a self supporting delusion. You will make up ANY EXCUSE to keep believing your none sense, including convincing yourselves that atheists are evil and immoral.
    You are a sad, sad person.

  115. on 12 Apr 2013 at 6:06 pm 115.the messenger said …

    114.DPK, so you finally admit to your lie.

  116. on 12 Apr 2013 at 6:11 pm 116.the messenger said …

    114.DPK, are you stupid?

    I never changed the definition of eternal.
    I simply explained that in the bible, it was used only to stress how long a certain time period was.

  117. on 12 Apr 2013 at 7:24 pm 117.DPK said …

    “I never changed the definition of eternal.
    I simply explained that in the bible, it was used only to stress how long a certain time period was.”

    hahaha… there is no “length of time period” in eternity. Hence.. you tried to change the definition.
    There is no end to eternity… the fact that you claim there is proves my point… and it shows again what a complete idiot you are. Seriously messenger… give it a rest. No one here, not even the other theists, not even Solomon, takes anything you say seriously. You are like the village idiot. Go away.

  118. on 12 Apr 2013 at 7:36 pm 118.the messenger said …

    117.DPK, you failed again, the definition never changed, only the usage of the word.

  119. on 12 Apr 2013 at 9:01 pm 119.alex said …

    “Alex is not stupid, he is just rude -__-”

    so, is rude another one of them absolutes? everybody in here is simply polite?

  120. on 13 Apr 2013 at 12:40 pm 120.Fluttershy said …

    Well, i prefer not to be rude, but that is my opinion ;D
    So be as rude as you please ;D
    (just to clear any possible confusion with A, i am not him, nor am i a theist)

    As for Messenger, he changes word definitions, claims that a genocidal god cannot kill anyone, and is so delusional he doesn’t know what sanity is ;D

  121. on 16 Apr 2013 at 7:48 pm 121.Scourge said …

    16 Boski I have not looked at this site for a while, and there seems to be no end to the idiocy. You for example must be a troll. The questions you ask betray either a spectacular lack of existential comprehension and thought, clinical depression, or completely bogus canards designed to play into the hand of the capitulation of intellect and character which is religion.

    “How in the world could DNA evolve from the Big Bang? How can there be any significant meaning to life if we are just products of a Big Bang? What is Truth? Do we look to science? Philosophy? Religion?”

    Seriously? DNA evolved? Meaning to life is what you make of it; nothing more or less. Truth is reality- that means proper Science and not some insipid rubbish from one of the Jesus-mill charlatans.

    Of course, you already know what I wrote in the previous paragraph. You are one of the Jesus-mill charlatans or an ally.

    Most likely there is not meaning to your life, and there will not be until you discard your childish want of a father figure to tell you everything will be alright.

  122. on 17 Apr 2013 at 12:43 am 122.A said …

    “Seriously? DNA evolved?”

    Scareface, if it didn’t evolve then where did it come from?

    “Truth is reality- that means proper Science”

    Really scarface? Why is science capitalized? What is proper Science and how does it determine truth? So is truth relative, it changes as proper Science changes?

    Who drug you in from the 60s with your Existential blast. Trying to sound intelligent didn’t work Scarface.

  123. on 17 Apr 2013 at 6:05 pm 123.Lou said …

    Scourge,

    One of the dumbest post ever. Congratulations.

  124. on 17 Apr 2013 at 9:46 pm 124.alex said …

    “One of the dumbest post ever. Congratulations.”

    says you, mister bullsheayyat creationist? you sir, is the heavyweight motherfuckingest.

  125. on 18 Apr 2013 at 1:59 am 125.Anonymous said …

    Ah, a Horatio classic – when someone makes a post that hits home, in comes Hor with a fresh sock-puppet and more insults. Keep it up Scourge, you really hit a nerve.

    Now, “Lou”, prove to us that your god actually exists and it’s just a delusion. Away you go.

  126. on 18 Apr 2013 at 2:01 am 126.Anonymous said …

    Of course, the challenge was prove that Sky Daddy isn’t a delusion. But don’t be constrained with Yahweh, you can pick any god you like Just prove that even one god exists and we’ll be believers.

  127. on 18 Apr 2013 at 4:18 am 127.alex said …

    “Just prove that even one god exists.”

    i’m not speaking for any of the atheist, but a simple proof is enough for me. just fuckin teleport or cure somebody with better success than random chance and i will convert.

    if jesus showed up, how would xtians know? he’d levitate? make a plane disappear? plz, learn me.

  128. on 18 Apr 2013 at 4:15 pm 128.Fluttershy said …

    Im assuming he would pick up mount everest and lob it at north korea…

  129. on 18 Apr 2013 at 7:09 pm 129.The messenger said …

    127.alex, he has preformed many miricles.
    Atheists fail to beieve them.

  130. on 18 Apr 2013 at 10:12 pm 130.alex said …

    “…pick up mount everest and lob it at north korea”

    hey! i’m korean.

  131. on 19 Apr 2013 at 8:21 am 131.Fluttershy said …

    Realy?
    South or north?

  132. on 26 Apr 2013 at 10:01 pm 132.michael said …

    youve heard of chicken wings? how about snake wings?’ yum yum

  133. on 27 Apr 2013 at 1:58 am 133.Fluttershy said …

    Koreans eat snakes? O.o

  134. on 02 May 2013 at 8:10 pm 134.Burebista said …

    Thomas,

    I use to like participating here but it has been taken over by foul mouthed adolescents. Thomas there use to be standards here that were understood. Will you let this continue out of control and lose all respect?

  135. on 02 May 2013 at 10:03 pm 135.alex said …

    “I use to like participating here but it has been taken over by foul mouthed adolescents”

    you hyprocrite. print out your internet history from your host provider, you fuck. otherwise, like me, you prolly look at porn. prove me wrong.

    here’s some pure clean fun from out of your beloved, holy book.

    judges 3:22
    Even the handle sank in after the blade, and his bowels discharged. Ehud did not pull the sword out, and the fat closed in over it.

    this ok with you? maybe you prefer Lot offering his daughters? and the foreskin obsession, oh my!

  136. on 02 May 2013 at 11:12 pm 136.A said …

    Bure,

    This is pretty much the norm for atheits sites. No manners, no morals, its all good. They are known for being very chauvinistic too. Don’t be a woman at on of their conferences! lol!!!

  137. on 02 May 2013 at 11:29 pm 137.alex said …

    “They are known for being very chauvinistic too.”

    i grant you that. you sayin, women should stay away from atheists and instead?
    Ephesians 5:22-24 “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord…”

    in other words, do what ever the fuck your xtian husband tells you to. don’t even try to spin it, you fuckheads. means you, dumbshit, illiterate, messenger. get somebody to read the rest of the passage, since obviously you caynt.

    next.

  138. on 02 May 2013 at 11:31 pm 138.Anonymous said …

    Alex, ignore him. It’s a fake discussion between sock-puppets to distract from the pasting taking place on another thread.

  139. on 02 May 2013 at 11:36 pm 139.A said …

    That’s right Alex. You submit to Anony the Mouse and do what that atheist tells you to do. Now quit commenting to all us sock puppets and go back to your bedroom or cell or wherever.

  140. on 02 May 2013 at 11:54 pm 140.DPK said …

    134.Burebista said …

    “Thomas,
    I use to like participating here….”

    That’s funny Burby… no honest person could ever describe what you did here as “participating”.

    Real easy to provide some actual “participation” AND permanently shut up all the foul mouthed adolescents… simply provide some evidence that your magical god actually exists. It’s the one thing none of you seem able to do.

  141. on 03 May 2013 at 12:07 am 141.alex said …

    “That’s right Alex. You submit to Anony the Mouse and do what that atheist tells you to do.”

    heh! heh! good one. almost as funny as jacob wrestling with the puerto rican named angel.

  142. on 03 May 2013 at 1:24 am 142.Anonymous said …

    Hey. note all, he’s now taken to parodying him being called for sock-puppets, exactly as he does when he gets called on his nonsense excuses

    Alex can make his own mind up and he’s certainly not going to listen to a known sock-puppet claiming not to be a sock-puppet.

    As mentioned, if you had evidence for your god, you’d provide it. All you do here is insult people to try to distract from your failure.

    Anyway, he’s trying to distract, so lets get back to the stupidity he posted as Xenon.

  143. on 03 May 2013 at 11:12 am 143.A said …

    Alex, we got Anony the Mouse have a change of heart. It is OK for you to post to any blogger you would like. That is great news.

    Lets get back to important matters like discussing Mouse’s arrogance and his obsession with tagging other posters.

  144. on 03 May 2013 at 11:28 am 144.Fluttershy said …

    GREAT
    a distraction from the distraction from a metric asston of sock puppets who still fail to give any evidence of god…

  145. on 03 May 2013 at 2:58 pm 145.Martin said …

    It is the small minds who prefer to attack others and spend their time in school yard taunts. I have offered some thought provking questions and observations but all that is offered in return is requests to leave and f bombs. A sure sign of individuals who have been made uncomfortable in their worldview.

  146. on 03 May 2013 at 3:15 pm 146.DPK said …

    145.Martin said …

    “I have offered some thought provking questions and observations but all that is offered in return is requests to leave and f bombs.”

    Busted again! I went back to the beginning of this thread and there is not one single post from “Martin” until this one at 145. So which sock puppet were you posting as this time when you supposedly “offered some thought provking [sic] questions and observations”?
    Was it as Burebista, “A”, RC, or Biff? or perhaps one of the other people you impersonate to make it look like you are more than one sad, deranged liar?

    What is this now, the 5th or 6th time you’ve been caught with your socks down… Martin?

  147. on 03 May 2013 at 3:51 pm 147.Fluttershy said …

    I have offered some thought provking questions and observations but all that is offered in return is requests to leave and f bombs.

    No, you posted questions under the name of other people that were also irrelevant and claimed that invalid information with no backing is proof of god.
    Then you say we never answered your questions, even though we logically did but since the answer we gave you was not what you thought it was you deny it.
    And then whenever we ask you a question you leave, repost as a sock puppet with a distraction, ask more questions and say that we are killers, evil, sin, will go to hell, somehow link to communists and stalin and hitler, and are untrustworthy…

  148. on 03 May 2013 at 4:14 pm 148.Martin said …

    I left out the reoccuring rant that everyone is a sock puppet.

    DPK kindly show me where I state my posts ocuured on this thread. The chidishsness is unbelievable. Flutter at least recalled some of the facts he couldn’t cope with.

  149. on 03 May 2013 at 6:01 pm 149.DPK said …

    Oh… so now that you are busted again, your excuse is you were referring to posts made on a different thread???

    hahaha. Sure.

    Ok, I won’t even bother to ask why would you do that. But since you have set the standard, I have asked you multiple direct questions on lots of other threads which you either routinely ignore or answer in only the most vague nebulous manner. That’s not a question, btw, just an observation.

  150. on 03 May 2013 at 6:05 pm 150.Anonymous said …

    Martin, if you don’t like it that people are people are pointing out that you’ve been busted numerous times for trolling and being a sock-puppet then you only have yourself to blame.

    Playing the victim, whining about your treatment, and engaging in tone-trolling is further indication of your deceit. If you don’t like what is said about you here, then you can simply leave and people will no longer need to point out your actions.

    Note tha rather than engage in the subject of this blog you, once again, create a strawman and then make your tiresome demands that people answer your questions, even though part of the issue with you is your refusal to engage in a two-sided debate.

    It’s clear that your presence here is designed to disrupt and prevent discussion that shows the inadequacies of the theist view. Lying about it being otherwise is just piling deceit upon deceit.

  151. on 03 May 2013 at 7:32 pm 151.A said …

    Ha Ha aHa,

    DPK and Mighty Mouse claiming others do not answer questions.

    LOL!! Pot meet Kettle!!

    That is rich. The next question they answer will be the first. When Martin asks a question their tactic is to divert attention by asking a question rather than answer. This way they don”t fall into a “gotcha”.

    Remember Mousey, need to produce this so called flaw. I’ll get the popcorn.

  152. on 03 May 2013 at 7:35 pm 152.Anonymous said …

    You are right, “A”. Martin asks loaded questions; that’s a form of fallacy and another indication of his deviousness and deceit.

  153. on 03 May 2013 at 11:06 pm 153.A said …

    Yes whiner, any question you can”t answer is loaded. Stop be a whiny putz and act like you have a set. Geez, kids don’t whine as much as you!

  154. on 04 May 2013 at 4:01 am 154.Fluttershy said …

    Being that you “owe” him far more questions than he “owes” you, i will answer your question.

    What is the flaw in life that god gave us?

    There is no flaw that god gave us, being that he didn’t give us life.

  155. on 05 May 2013 at 5:19 am 155.Fluttershy said …

    Now can you answer me a question, or more so a request?

    Show me proof of God, pure, valid, unbreakable proof.

  156. on 06 May 2013 at 12:37 am 156.Fluttershy said …

    Intriguing that i get no answer from the infamous A…

  157. on 06 May 2013 at 1:00 pm 157.Anonymous said …

    Considering the vehemence with which he attacks and attempts to silence people who don’t share his delusion, it’s hard not to see his complete refusal to address this point as a tacit admission that his god is but an imaginary friend for grownups.

  158. on 06 May 2013 at 10:32 pm 158.Anonymous said …

    Then perhaps Martin, instead of tearing into others, would grace us with his logical proof of the existence of his god? He’s been asked many times but always dodges, ducks, or otherwise refuses to answer.

  159. on 06 May 2013 at 11:11 pm 159.alex said …

    “Show me proof of God, pure, valid, unbreakable proof.”

    since jesus is supposed to show up eventually, what proof would these believers require? i bet they wouldn’t just take his word, would they?

    maybe, jesus would just point to some bible passage and pronounce “it’s been prophesied!”?

  160. on 06 May 2013 at 11:53 pm 160.the messenger. said …

    I have show proof.

  161. on 06 May 2013 at 11:54 pm 161.the messenger. said …

    I have shown proof.

  162. on 07 May 2013 at 9:51 am 162.Anonymous said …

    I thought it was considered immoral to lie to people.
    Perhaps you dont count us atheists as people?

  163. on 07 May 2013 at 10:01 am 163.Fluttershy said …

    My bad, that was me… ;P

  164. on 08 May 2013 at 1:41 pm 164.Anonymous said …

    “Show me proof of God, pure, valid, unbreakable proof.”

    Seems we are still waiting for the regulars to provide their proofs. Somewhat underlines the point that they cannot prove their god exists which makes their arguments moot as in reversing the burden of proof.

    Also missing is everyone jumping in and supporting Messenger. Looks like no-one agrees with him either.

    Particularly, we note that the self-appointed logician, Martin, who deliberately mischaracterizes blog posts as formal logical proofs, then attacks strawman arguments with mostly fallacious arguments, *doesn’t* provide his usual nonsense when messenger actually claims to have a proof!

    The theists here are unable and unwilling to prove the existence of any god. We should be putting the onus on them to make their case, not responding to their tedious diversions.

  165. on 09 May 2013 at 9:13 am 165.Fluttershy said …

    “Show me proof of God, pure, valid, unbreakable proof.”

    Comeon, SHOW US!!

  166. on 09 May 2013 at 11:27 am 166.The messenger said …

    Here is the proof, again.

    Miracle of the SunFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from The Miracle of the Sun)
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    Location of Fátima, PortugalThe Miracle of the Sun (Portuguese: O Milagre do Sol) was an event on 13 October 1917 which was attended by 30,000 to 100,000 people, who were gathered near Fátima, Portugal. Several newspaper reporters were in attendance and they took testimony from many people who claimed to have witnessed extraordinary solar activity. This recorded testimony was later added to by an Italian Catholic priest and researcher in the 1940s.

    According to these reports, the event lasted approximately ten minutes.[1] The three children also reported seeing a panorama of visions, including those of Jesus, Our Lady of Sorrows, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, and of Saint Joseph blessing the people.[2]

    The event was officially accepted as a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church on 13 October 1930. On 13 October 1951, the papal legate, Cardinal Tedeschini, told the million people gathered at Fátima that on 30 October, 31 October, 1 November, and 8 November 1950, Pope Pius XII himself witnessed the miracle of the sun from the Vatican gardens.[3]

    Contents [hide]
    1 The event
    2 De Marchi accounts
    3 Critical evaluation of the event
    4 Media
    5 See also
    6 References
    7 Bibliography
    8 External links

    [edit] The event
    People witnessing the event.The people had gathered because three young shepherd children had predicted that at high noon the Blessed Virgin Mary would appear in a field in an area of Fatima called Cova da Iria. According to many witnesses, after a period of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disc in the sky.[4] It was said to be significantly duller than normal, and to cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds.[4] The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[4] frightening those who thought it a sign of the end of the world.[5] Witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became “suddenly and completely dry, as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain that had been falling”.[6]

    Estimates of number present range from 30,000 to 40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século,[7] to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra,[8] both of whom were present that day.[9]

    The event was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, a reported apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to the children who had made predictions of the event on 13 July 1917,[10] 19 August,[11] and 13 September.[12] The children stated that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them[13] and provide a miracle “so that all may believe.”[14]

    [edit] De Marchi accountsThe most widely cited descriptions of the events reported at Fatima are taken from the writings of John De Marchi, an Italian Catholic priest and researcher. De Marchi spent seven years in Fátima, from 1943 to 1950, conducting original research and interviewing the principals at undisturbed length.[15] In The Immaculate Heart, published in 1952, De Marchi reports that, “[t]heir ranks (those present on 13 October) included believers and non-believers, pious old ladies and scoffing young men. Hundreds, from these mixed categories, have given formal testimony. Reports do vary; impressions are in minor details confused, but none to our knowledge has directly denied the visible prodigy of the sun.”[16]

    A photostatic copy of a page from Ilustração Portugueza, October 29, 1917, showing the crowd looking at the Miracle of the Sun during the Fátima apparitions.Some of the witness statements follow below. They are taken from John De Marchi’s several books on the matter.

    “Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws — the sun ‘danced’ according to the typical expression of the people.” ? Avelino de Almeida,[17] writing for O Século
    O Século was Portugal’s most widely circulated[18] and influential newspaper. It was pro-government and anti-clerical at the time.[17] Almeida’s previous articles had been to satirize the previously reported events at Fátima.[7]
    “The sun, at one moment surrounded with scarlet flame, at another aureoled in yellow and deep purple, seemed to be in an exceedingly swift and whirling movement, at times appearing to be loosened from the sky and to be approaching the earth, strongly radiating heat.” ? Dr. Domingos Pinto Coelho, writing for the newspaper Ordem.[19]
    “…The silver sun, enveloped in the same gauzy grey light, was seen to whirl and turn in the circle of broken clouds… The light turned a beautiful blue, as if it had come through the stained-glass windows of a cathedral, and spread itself over the people who knelt with outstretched hands… people wept and prayed with uncovered heads, in the presence of a miracle they had awaited. The seconds seemed like hours, so vivid were they.” ? Reporter for the Lisbon newspaper O Dia.[16]
    “The sun’s disc did not remain immobile. This was not the sparkling of a heavenly body, for it spun round on itself in a mad whirl, when suddenly a clamor was heard from all the people. The sun, whirling, seemed to loosen itself from the firmament and advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was terrible.” — Dr. Almeida Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University.[20]
    “As if like a bolt from the blue, the clouds were wrenched apart, and the sun at its zenith appeared in all its splendor. It began to revolve vertiginously on its axis, like the most magnificent firewheel that could be imagined, taking on all the colors of the rainbow and sending forth multicolored flashes of light, producing the most astounding effect. This sublime and incomparable spectacle, which was repeated three distinct times, lasted for about ten minutes. The immense multitude, overcome by the evidence of such a tremendous prodigy, threw themselves on their knees.” ? Dr. Manuel Formigão, a professor at the seminary at Santarém, and a priest. He had attended the September visitation, and examined and questioned the children in detail several times.[20]
    “I feel incapable of describing what I saw. I looked fixedly at the sun, which seemed pale and did not hurt my eyes. Looking like a ball of snow, revolving on itself, it suddenly seemed to come down in a zig-zag, menacing the earth. Terrified, I ran and hid myself among the people, who were weeping and expecting the end of the world at any moment.” — Rev. Joaquim Lourenço, describing his boyhood experience in Alburitel, eighteen kilometers from Fatima.[21]
    “On that day of October 13, 1917, without remembering the predictions of the children, I was enchanted by a remarkable spectacle in the sky of a kind I had never seen before. I saw it from this veranda…” — Portuguese poet Afonso Lopes Vieira.[22]
    According to De Marchi, “Engineers that have studied the case reckoned that an incredible amount of energy would have been necessary to dry up those pools of water that had formed on the field in a few minutes as it was reported by witnesses.”[6]

  167. on 03 Jun 2013 at 9:09 pm 167.MattD said …

    Robertson likes money, hence, he says whatever nets him profit….that means whatever he says appeals to his base audience.

    This includes lying, deception, and if he was born in another time, murder and torture.

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