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Christianity Thomas on 08 Mar 2013 01:27 am

The insanity of religion – God’s plan edition

Here we find a great example of the insanity of religion:

God’s existence addressed

Through reflection, study and reading the works of C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel and others, Kraftson said he found solid answers to his questions early in his college career.

“Which brought up the question: What do I want to do with my life?” Kraftson said. “I graduated college in 1970, which some of you may recall was a pretty turbulent time in our country, but also a time when many were joining the Peace Corps and things like that.”

Having concluded that God exists and does have a plan for everyone, Kraftson decided to share that message through interacting with people.

“Having concluded that God exists and does have a plan for everyone…” Imagine the level of insanity it takes to look at our world and reach that conclusion. Think of the 10 million children per year who die of starvation, the millions more who die senselessly of cancer and heart attacks, the millions slaughtered in war, and the millions more who perish in natural disasters. God says, “yes, my plan for you is to grow to age three and then to be crushed when your apartment collapses in an earthquake.” Only insanity could see that as a plan.

481 Responses to “The insanity of religion – God’s plan edition”

  1. on 03 Apr 2013 at 12:48 am 1.Biff said …

    “I haven’t “ruled out” anything… show me this god actually exists and that he wrote this program you are talking about. If the evidence is compelling, I’ll believe it. You haven’t done that.”

    I haven’t ruled anything out either or mentioned God. Show how nature can write high information code and I will believe. You haven’t done that.

    “DNA exists, chemistry exists, nature exists. There is abundant evidence as to how DNS replicates, and how that replication process can result in changes over time… in other words, evolve.”

    You show you really DO believe nature wrote the code. Tell me, how do you think DNA evolved?

  2. on 03 Apr 2013 at 1:53 am 2.Anonymous said …

    Honestly, Biffy. A god-of-the-gaps argument is the best that you’ve got? Do you bother to think or does the bullshit just flow every time you open your gob or jot down your thoughts?

    Where does that nasty evolution idea fit into your model? After all, what happened after (nature/god/sea turtle) created the first cell? Are you a “fixed species” advocate?

  3. on 03 Apr 2013 at 3:03 am 3.The messenger said …

    402.Anonymous, the animals that were on the ark evolved into the hundreds of species that are on the earth.

    Why do you fail to understand this.

  4. on 03 Apr 2013 at 3:41 am 4.DPK said …

    “You show you really DO believe nature wrote the code. Tell me, how do you think DNA evolved?”

    Nature exists. I see no evidence a supernatural agent exists. Why would any rational person conclude a supernatural cause when there is no evidence such a thing IS.

    This I is the same reason you reject the sea turtle.

    Now I am done answering your questions until you answer mine.
    Is time infinite? Did god exist before the Big Bang? Was there a “before” the Big Bang?
    Unless you can demonstrate how god had the ability to create something before time why should I believe it?

  5. on 03 Apr 2013 at 5:36 am 5.Fluttershy said …

    the animals that were on the ark evolved into the hundreds of species that are on the earth.
    Why do you fail to understand this.

    That would be because at the time that the bible states the Ark was made in, there was 2 of every animal at the time, and since then, there has been no evolution. That…and the animals would have eaten him alive…

  6. on 03 Apr 2013 at 5:39 am 6.Fluttershy said …

    Tell me, how do you think DNA evolved?

    DNA is not a species, and hence cannot evolve.
    It can however mutate and cause evolution in species.
    As i said earlier, the existence of DNA does not disprove, nor prove God in any way, as abiogenesis and some guy in the sky could both create such a structure.

  7. on 03 Apr 2013 at 5:41 am 7.Fluttershy said …

    Now Biff, i have answered you question, so please may you answer my question to you.

    Please explain how God physically managed to create all of the things that we know of?

  8. on 03 Apr 2013 at 11:39 am 8.Biff said …

    These gentlemen are so hung up on God that they cannot help but talk about God constantly. Again, I am not arguing for God, I want to understand the logic of nature writing complex information systems, namely DNA.

    Again, we have Fluttershy correcting DPK that DNA does not evolve but now mutates, also known as cancer. How does THIS now account for the coding of DNA of which there are many? Just because you see something does not maean it can perform a task. I have a hammer in my garage but I am sure it cannot write complex coding.

    Give me something of substance that will allow me to put my faith in nature’s ability to write high information coding.

  9. on 03 Apr 2013 at 11:41 am 9.Biff said …

    These gentlemen are so hung up on God that they cannot help but talk about God constantly. Again, I am not arguing for God, I want to understand the logic of nature writing complex information systems, namely DNA.

    Again, we have Fluttershy correcting DPK that DNA does not evolve but now mutates, also known as cancer. How does THIS now account for the coding of DNA of which there are many? Just because you see something does not mean it can perform a task. I have a hammer in my garage that I can see but I am sure it cannot write complex coding.

    Give me something of substance that will allow me to put my faith in nature’s ability to write high information coding.

  10. on 03 Apr 2013 at 12:18 pm 10.Anonymous said …

    Biffy:
    What is “high information coding”?
    I am not familiar with it and cannot find information. I have written machine code, assembler, and performed other computer programming. However, the programs of my robots never questioned my existence. They just performed their tasks.

    Are you talking about the original DNA that (nature/god/sea turtle) created in the initial single cells of life? Or is “high information coding” what the modern animals have? Would the Neanderthals have had “high information coding”? the dinosaurs and other extinct species too?

  11. on 03 Apr 2013 at 12:29 pm 11.Fluttershy said …

    DNA does not evolve but now mutates, also known as cancer.

    Please, if you ARE going to talk about DNA and the assorted world of biology, at least know what you are talking about.

    Yes, mutations can cause cancer, for example standing in the radiation of the sun, or a phone in your pocket.
    But some simply mutate DNA, likely in the first cell of an organism, which eventually builds up from generation to generation until there is a new species.

    Also, i never corrected DPK, he has never claimed that DNA “evolves” you made that up, DPK merely claimed that god did not make DNA due to the fact that DNA, like all things in nature, in natural and hence can make itself.

  12. on 03 Apr 2013 at 12:34 pm 12.Fluttershy said …

    xD
    i reread through his posts and he did claim it evolved…
    Still, no biggy, so what if he simply doesn’t understand biology?
    Doesn’t prove your god so i’m alright with it ;D
    DPK, i would advise some googling, a sensible atheist like yourself like learning, right?

  13. on 03 Apr 2013 at 12:40 pm 13.freddies_dead said …

    Maybe Biff could define exactluy what he means by such phrases as “complex information systems” and “high information coding”. He likes to talk about information theory but he shows very little understanding of the topic.

    He seems to be dancing around the issue, trying desperately to avoid using the words “specified complexity” – Dembski’s pet phrase that he believed was a marker for intelligent design. Of course Dembski never got around to defining his terms either so I won’t be holding my breath while waiting for Biff to do what Dembski couldn’t.

    While Biff’s working out his definitions maybe he can also explain how you can actually infer design when you assume that everything from rocks to stealth bombers are intelligently designed.

    George H. Smith says it nicely in his book Atheism: The Case Against God??

    “Consider the idea that nature itself is the product of design. How could this be demonstrated? Nature, as we have seen, provides the basis of comparison by which we distinguish between designed objects and natural objects. We are able to infer the presence of design only to the extent that the characteristics of an object differ from natural characteristics. Therefore, to claim that nature as a whole was designed is to destroy the basis by which we differentiate between artifacts and natural objects. Evidences of design are those characteristics not found in nature, so it is impossible to produce evidence of design within the context of nature itself. Only if we first step beyond nature, and establish the existence of a supernatural designer, can we conclude that nature is the result of conscious planning. (p. 268)”??

    i.e. the design hypothesis is self defeating – if everything is designed you cannot discern design. You must first prove God and you can’t use design as part of that proof.

  14. on 03 Apr 2013 at 12:51 pm 14.DPK said …

    Evolve: to change over time.
    DNA most definitely evolves. Mutation and replication “errors” are the mechanics of that evolution. Natural selection is the process that favors certain mutations over others.

  15. on 03 Apr 2013 at 1:06 pm 15.DPK said …

    Freddie… Biff has a history of being very evasive and trolling. He never answers questions, never responds to challenges, and flat out refuses to define his god or any of his properties. The best I ever got out of him was a concession that his postulated creator-designer was a “somewhat, clever, kind of powerful being.” He does this so he can keep moving the goalpost. He knows his delusion is indefensible, so he avoids putting himself in a position where he cannot wiggle out of it. He is completely intellectually dishonest. Sound exactly like anyone else you know? Notice that ASS has been curiously absent during biff’s recent round of bullshit?
    That is so he doesn’t get caught forgetting to change his screen name, as he has in the past, and replying under the wrong persona.
    He is a fraud… But it is fun to repeatedly point it out to others reading.
    Biff… In case you didn’t know it, you are a source of amusement for many. You aren’t fooling anyone with your trolling.

  16. on 03 Apr 2013 at 2:12 pm 16.Anonymous said …

    404.DPK, I have shown you proof of GOD.

    Why do you live in denial?

  17. on 03 Apr 2013 at 2:15 pm 17.The messenger said …

    404.DPK, I have shown you proof of GOD.
    Why do you live in denial?

    Comment 416 was mine. I forgot to type in my name for that one.

  18. on 03 Apr 2013 at 2:20 pm 18.The messenger said …

    The Word of GOD

    Romans 5:3-5
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

    The Word of GOD

    12 And he said O Lord God of my master Abraham, I pray thee, send me good speed this day, and shew kindness unto my master Abraham.

    The Word of GOD

    Luke 10:25-37
    King James Version (KJV)
    25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

    26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

    27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

    28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

    29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

    30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

    31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

    32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

    33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

    34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

    35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

    36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

    37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

  19. on 03 Apr 2013 at 2:50 pm 19.DPK said …

    416.Anonymous said …

    404.DPK, I have shown you proof of GOD.

    Sorry to say, no you haven’t.
    You have a very silly concept of “proof”.

    Plus, you have demonstrated over and over again that you are a liar. Why should anyone believe anything you say? May I remind you that you claim that humans existed on this planet, in pretty much their present form, “several billions” of years ago… smack in the middle of the pre-cambrian period. That alone is “proof” of how completely delusional you are.

  20. on 03 Apr 2013 at 4:06 pm 20.DPK said …

    409.Biff boffed …

    “… DNA does not evolve but now mutates, also known as cancer.”

    For someone who claims an advanced knowledge of information theory, you say some awfully stupid things there Biffer….. but since you brought up the subject…. why did your perfect designer encode DNA to cause cancer? That seems like a dumb design move from an “intelligent agent”. Especially an eternal, supernatural one.

  21. on 03 Apr 2013 at 6:28 pm 21.DPK said …

    “i.e. the design hypothesis is self defeating – if everything is designed you cannot discern design. You must first prove God and you can’t use design as part of that proof.”

    Good point, and I never thought of it exactly that way, but it is very true.

    Also on point of nature “being unable” to encode what Biff calls “high information”… if a human encodes highly complex information… isn’t that ultimately “nature” doing it? I mean humans are part of nature, so what they do (naturally) is also “natural”! haha…
    I mean if beavers build a damn, isn’t that a natural occurrence? Why is the result of a species natural activities considered “not designed” by nature? No distinction really. If a landscape is sculpted by wind and rain, how is that different from a landscape sculpted by an indigenous creature, whether its a human or an ant colony. Both natural occurrences.

  22. on 03 Apr 2013 at 7:03 pm 22.Tom said …

    DNA never has information added only lost. Therefore it could never evolve from simple forms of life to more complex forms as some here seem to claim.

    Even in genetic engineering, DNA always eventually evolves back to it’s original state.

  23. on 03 Apr 2013 at 7:15 pm 23.Biff said …

    Flutter,

    You are correct. DPK has no concept of biology. You too have very little. You two can’t stop talking about God long enough to give me some concrete reasons why we should have faith in nature writing DNA. Finish laughing at the theist if you must and see if you can give me something more than faith and mere ability to reflect light.

    Tom thank you for the clarification.

  24. on 03 Apr 2013 at 8:02 pm 24.Anonymous said …

    Tom drops a load and runs, The Biffy takes the load:

    DNA never has information added only lost.

    *jaw drops*
    WTF? The first lifeforms (billions of years ago) had MORE genetic information than the lifeforms today? Holy fuck, the stupid meter has just been pinned!!!

    Or are you talking about Adam and Eve? In which case it makes perfect sense (to a xtian theist).

  25. on 03 Apr 2013 at 8:30 pm 25.The messenger said …

    Brother 419.DPK, I have never lied on this site.

  26. on 03 Apr 2013 at 8:37 pm 26.DPK said …

    “DNA never has information added only lost.”

    Been hanging on the nutjob creationists sites I see…

    hahaha.

    Gene duplication with a mutation amounts to an addition of information, so your statement is absurd.

    Next.

  27. on 03 Apr 2013 at 8:38 pm 27.DPK said …

    And yes Tom… thank you for the clarification.

  28. on 04 Apr 2013 at 2:37 am 28.alex said …

    “…give me some concrete reasons why we should have faith in nature writing DNA”

    the burden of proof is on you, moron. is this whywontnaturehealamputees.com? maybe the GreenHornet wrote the DNA, but i can’t defend it any more proper than you can defend your god, which makes them both equally bullshitty.

    you’re just looking for every fucking atheist utterance so that you can just lock on and try to divert the attention, don’t you? fuck nature, aliens, abiogenesis, spontaneous combustion, and specially your god, but i’m a reasonable. i can be convinced, but not bullshitted.

  29. on 04 Apr 2013 at 3:05 am 29.Tom said …

    Mutations only shuffle the existing DNA of an organism to achieve a different result. Occasionally these might result in a favorable adaptation This is all mutations have been scientifically observed to do. More times than not the mutations are harmful.

    No new information is added. A loss of information results in a variety in species. wolves being breeded to becomes Yorkies is just one example.

  30. on 04 Apr 2013 at 4:00 am 30.s0l0m0n said …

    Fluttershy 396,

    I’am alive & kickin’, ready to thrash the atheists beliefs. I’am at out station doing auditing works.

  31. on 04 Apr 2013 at 9:20 am 31.Anonymous said …

    Tom

    wolves being breeded to becomes Yorkies is just one example.

    That is not evolution, my friend.

    How old do you think our planet Earth is? And how long have humans been around on this planet?

  32. on 04 Apr 2013 at 11:44 am 32.A said …

    “spontaneous combustion”

    alex did u mean spontaneous generation or are you referring to human beings suddenly igniting?

    Anoymouse

    You need to stop showing your ignorance while you are ahead. Microevolution is the only type of evolution of which proof exists.

    Go back to your desk and listen to your teacher.

  33. on 04 Apr 2013 at 1:02 pm 33.Anonymous said …

    Welcome back, “A”.

    Since you seem to be on the same page as Biffy and Tom about his idea of “high information coding”, maybe you can help flesh out some of the details for us. Like, for instance, what is it?

    So far, we seem to have discovered that:

    DNA never has information added only lost. Therefore it could never evolve from simple forms of life to more complex forms as some here seem to claim.

    As a learned Astrophysicist, maybe you should delicately ask Biffy and Tom how old they think the Earth is. Try not to be overly rough (as only you can be) on their sensitive natures – ignorance is not something to be proud of. We both know our wonderful planet Earth is billions of years old and the original lifeforms were of the simple single celled varieties.

    Politely ask Biffy and Tom to stay awake and

    Go back to your desk and listen to your teacher

  34. on 04 Apr 2013 at 1:36 pm 34.freddies_dead said …

    429.Tom said …

    Mutations only shuffle the existing DNA of an organism to achieve a different result.

    You have absolutely no idea how DNA mutation works do you? Mutations can be from unrepaired damage, errors in replication or the insertion (you might want to make a note of that one) or deletion of DNA segments not to mention recombination through procreation of sexual species and gene transfer in bacteria.

    Occasionally these might result in a favorable adaptation. This is all mutations have been scientifically observed to do. More times than not the mutations are harmful.

    Thank you for conceding that mutation has been scientifically observed. Now all we need is a selective pressure to work on the populations undergoing gene mutation and those that have the beneficial mutations will be more fit for their ecological niche and will, therefore, be more likely to survive and procreate, so passing on those beneficial mutations to subsequent generations. Allele frequency in the population changes as the beneficial mutation proliferates and, w00t! we’ve got evolution. None of this macro/micro evolution shit either – evolution is the simply the change in allele frequency in populations. Anyone who wants to claim distinct types of evolution needs to explain exactly how they distinguish between the types by defining exactly what barrier they think there is to stop one type becoming another.

    No new information is added.

    This is just plain wrong. Take an example of a DNA segement that runs ctccggggcc but a replication error duplicates the sequence ctccggggccctccggggcc while another mutation changes the duplicated sequence to ctccggggccctaaggggcc. Now, not only do we have double the amount of information, it’s also not just the same information twice, it’s actually the original segment plus an entirely new one. New information.

    A loss of information results in a variety in species.

    It’s the change in information that results in the diversity. That change may be the addition of new information, a loss of information or simply a change in the information.

    wolves being breeded to becomes Yorkies is just one example.

    An example of selective breeding whereby humans pick certain traits and then deliberately breed for them. Contrary to Anonymous’ comment at 431 it’s still technically evolution at work – it is a change in allele frequencies in a population over time after all. However, it is forced by humans who are trying to ensure certain traits are kept whilst others are bred out. We become an artificial selective pressure – we decide what “fitness” is and we control the population’s ability to procreate – and therefore passing on the “beneficial” genes – in this context. We are also only making these decisions based entirely on outward appearance, whether the DNA changes are internally beneficial isn’t taken into consideration.

  35. on 04 Apr 2013 at 1:39 pm 35.freddies_dead said …

    432.A said … (to Anonymous)

    Microevolution is the only type of evolution of which proof exists.

    Please explain exactly how you distinguish between the types of evolution that you think there are and then explain what barrier you think exists which prevents one type of evolutionary event from happening?

  36. on 04 Apr 2013 at 2:08 pm 36.Anonymous said …

    #434 freddies_dead
    You are correct about my definition of evolution. I was thinking of “eugenics”- which is the human equivalent of selective breeding. My definition of evolution is that nature is in control of favouring the desirable/beneficial traits.

    Selective breeding of dogs and eugenics are techniques of artificially selecting species for desirable traits. This would lead to shifts in the DNA coding which can be defined as evolution.

    Now that that is clear, how about Biffy and Tom expanding their thoughts on the idea of “high information coding”.

  37. on 04 Apr 2013 at 2:34 pm 37.DPK said …

    “432.A said … (to Anonymous)

    Microevolution is the only type of evolution of which proof exists.”

    Seriously guys, this is the type of utter nonsense that is not even worthy of being dignified by a response other than laughter.

    No wonder the rest of the civilized world thinks the US is a land populated by imbeciles.

  38. on 04 Apr 2013 at 2:53 pm 38.DPK said …

    Still waiting for Biff (who has now disappeared and returned as ASS) to answer why his intelligent designer programed DNA to cause cancer…. or actually any of the many questions he has been asked for which no response has been offered.

    Could it be he is just trolling!!!? Gasp!

    Tom… messenger said that all the species in the world today evolved from a limited number of animals Noah put on the ARK about 2 or 3 BILLION years ago.

    Is he wrong about that?

    You Christards need to get your stories straight… you can’t all be right, but interestingly, you CAN all be wrong. hahahaha

  39. on 04 Apr 2013 at 5:31 pm 39.The messenger said …

    437.DPK, elvolution does not effect humans.

  40. on 04 Apr 2013 at 5:34 pm 40.The messenger said …

    438.DPK, only animals evolve.

    Humans have never evolved, humans are the same as they have always been.

  41. on 04 Apr 2013 at 5:36 pm 41.The messenger said …

    on 29 Mar 2013 at 10:39 pm 318.The messenger said …
    I have heard some people say that GOD did not cause the Black Plague in Europe.
    I disagree. I believe that GOD manipulated those infected fleas to latch on to those rats and guided them to the Italian boats so that Europe would be cleansed of all the despicable people there.

  42. on 04 Apr 2013 at 11:58 pm 42.Biff said …

    “Contrary to Anonymous’ comment at 431 it’s still technically evolution at work”

    Yes, Anony has no clue what he is talking about any more than DPK or alex. They just repeat what they have heard and somehow believe they are stating facts.

    Ok Never Steady Freedie claims a subset of the already existing DNA in that organism is actually adding to the existing DNA although all it has done is shuffle what existed. Whatever you would like to call the process, the variation, cannot become immense if all it does is reorganize the existing DNA, it is severely limited to the existing code.

    Nevertheless, that was not the question.

    Now, is anyone going to provide one solid reason why we should believe nature wrote DNA code? We need more than nature exists, DNA exists and we should therefore believe.

  43. on 05 Apr 2013 at 12:52 am 43.Anonymous said …

    Anony has no clue what he is talking

    You’re absolutely correct.

    Please fill in some of the blanks and educumate me. What is “high info coding”? I need your special guidance. I need someone who knows to show me the way.

    is anyone going to provide one solid reason why we should believe nature wrote DNA code?

    First life simple single cells. Fast forward to today – complex life, multi-cellular. Does that meet your criteria for something? Anything? You’re one tough customer, but only when it comes to reality. You’ll swallow, hook line and sinker, anything about jewish zombies, your special god, miracles, etc, etc.

    Need more details on your idea. Flesh it out. Tom’s comment about DNA continual degrading gave you a hard on so I assume you like the Adam and Eve story. Yes? You are such a fountain of knowledge, don’t keep it contained. Spew it out, dammit!!

  44. on 05 Apr 2013 at 12:59 am 44.s0l0m0n said …

    “need to get your stories straight… you can’t all be right, but interestingly, you CAN all be wrong. hahahaha”

    But the true religion can’t be wrong at all.

    Whaaa…ka…ka…ka…

  45. on 05 Apr 2013 at 1:12 am 45.s0l0m0n said …

    “is anyone going to provide one solid reason why we should believe nature wrote DNA code?”

    Nature is just a created “word”. It can do nothing.A ‘being’ example a bird, can do something. So all creations or process must be done by a being. The most powerful & intelligent being is GOD.

  46. on 05 Apr 2013 at 1:56 am 46.DPK said …

    Is a hurricane a being?

  47. on 05 Apr 2013 at 2:37 am 47.The messenger said …

    DPK, GOD manipulates the elements on earth, thus creating a hurricane.

  48. on 05 Apr 2013 at 11:38 am 48.Biff said …

    “First life simple single cells. Fast forward to today – complex life, multi-cellular. Does that meet your criteria for something?”

    Only your continued ignorance unrealized or maybe realized. After you have had your basic high school biology class and passed it, feel free to try again. I will acknowledge the incredible faith you have in nature.

  49. on 05 Apr 2013 at 12:01 pm 49.Anonymous said …

    Biffy

    “First life simple single cells. Fast forward to today – complex life, multi-cellular. Does that meet your criteria for something?”
    Only your continued ignorance unrealized or maybe realized.

    I guess I gotta pick up a bible for the real story.

    Allow me to summarize poor old Biffy’s belief:
    1.) I don’t know how life began
    2.) Evolution sucks
    3.) High info coding.
    4.) Life always goes from more complex to less complex
    5.) The Earth is 10,000 years old
    6.) Adam and Eve and Noah’s Ark are non-fictional accounts
    7.) Nature can’t so goddidit
    8.) I don’t have a fucking clue what I am talking about

    Looked in the Biffy, saw a turd. Time to flush.

  50. on 05 Apr 2013 at 12:47 pm 50.The messenger said …

    449.Anonymous, if you are just going to insult him rather that provide a relevant argument, I suggest that you leave.

  51. on 05 Apr 2013 at 3:03 pm 51.DPK said …

    “is anyone going to provide one solid reason why we should believe nature wrote DNA code?”

    uh… look in the mirror?

    For those you claim that there is no evidence for speciation, often incorrectly refereed to as macroevolution:
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

    For those that claim that information is never added to DNA, but only lost:
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB102.html

    Now, can we put the diversions away? Even if evolution was somehow tomorrow proven to be 100% wrong… how does that prove the existence of your imaginary god?

    Why won’t ANY of you have the balls to just admit that you have absolutely no good reason to believe that your supernatural god actually exists, and that you believe it simply because you WANT to?
    There is no shame in that. Why don’t you just admit it instead of continually embarrassing yourself by pretending to know things you do not know, and by lying and misrepresenting scientific facts in order to make your delusion seem somewhat less insane?
    Believe me, no one here will think any less of you for admitting the truth. It may well be your first step to recovery from your mental illness that causes you to believe in invisible friends.

  52. on 05 Apr 2013 at 3:14 pm 52.A said …

    Bif,

    Mouse is attempting to tutor you. Cells make up DNA. Yes, you heard ot here first. The cellular program was written by no other than Steve Jobs.
    Thanks for coming and special thanks to the mouse.

  53. on 05 Apr 2013 at 3:40 pm 53.Anonymous said …

    For “A”, the astrophysicist?

    Instead of being afraid of shitting on the Biffy, why don’t impress the audience and inform us with your scholarly knowledge.
    What is the age of the planet Earth and when did first life arise?
    Too afraid to answer a few simple questions, methinks. Put your advanced education to work.

  54. on 05 Apr 2013 at 4:29 pm 54.DPK said …

    Have you know respect for “A” academic accomplishments?

    He is not just an astrophysicist, as he has told us he is an UPPER CASE “Astrophysicist”! How dare you question his unsupported claims?

    Stay thirsty, my friends….

  55. on 05 Apr 2013 at 5:13 pm 55.Anonymous said …

    “A”, the esteemed “A”strophysicist:

    Mouse is attempting to tutor you.

    Tutor? Don’t think so. Maybe challenge and ask for some clarity, which we both know will not be happening. You also know how the theist game is played. ;-).
    Duck, dodge, weave, wiggle, run.

  56. on 05 Apr 2013 at 7:20 pm 56.Biff said …

    A
    If A Nony is tutoring in no answers and diversions rather than Answering a question well then, well done sir!!

    It should be so easy. If no God exists then showing links of nature writing code should be easy.

    The latest response is look in a mirror. Lets try that in a fictional situation.

    Prove my hammer wrote DNA code?

    Answer: Look in the mirror.

    Hmm, that answer fits any possibility

  57. on 05 Apr 2013 at 7:59 pm 57.Anonymous said …

    As predicted. No age of the Earth. No time frame.

    I would hate to have a serious debate with a group of Young Earthers because it’s a waste of time. I DO UNDERSTAND that in your world life arose differently than in what has been observed and proven to be fact (aka REALITY). But cling, if you must, to Adam/Eve + Noah. No harm – just no room for discussion. Likewise, I don’t debate with people on how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.

    “A” and the Biffy get a “F”, as in failure when it comes to providing any meat to the discussion in this thread. All sizzle, no steak or, more appropriately, a Biffy without a flush lever, somewhat useful but inevitably in need of repair.

  58. on 05 Apr 2013 at 8:55 pm 58.DPK said …

    “Prove my hammer wrote DNA code?

    Answer: Look in the mirror.

    Hmm, that answer fits any possibility”

    Well, admittedly, the hammer make more sense than your imaginary god. At least we know hammers exist.

    You really equate the fundamental laws of nature which govern matter and energy equivalent to a hammer?

    Ok… well that explains why you believe in invisible, magical beings. You need to go watch for snakes sprouting wings. Lemme guess.. you were home schooled, right?
    hahahaha

  59. on 08 Apr 2013 at 4:58 am 59.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    “Is a hurricane a being?”

    At first glance it is just air particles being directed by God to go anywhere. But the essence of it, it possess souls just like other beings. Just like our earth, rotating round the sun, all directed by God and gladly abide by the earth.

    If you doubt it or might have some other explanation like the centrifugal force of the sun controls the earth rotation, think again.Which one comes first? Is it the centrifugal force of the sun makes the earth change direction rather then going into a straight line or is it the earth itself willingly changes direction as ordered by god?

    Don’t try to explain that hurricanes arise due to high or low pressures. That is the outdated version.

  60. on 08 Apr 2013 at 3:02 pm 60.DPK said …

    Ta Da!!

    And just when you thought he couldn’t POSSIBLY be any more insane, Solomon cranks the crazy dial up to 11!

    Now, a hurricane is a “being” with a “soul”.. directed by god. So, does a hurricane go to heaven? It has a soul, after all?

    And, I assume it is then against god’s will to rebuild something after it was destroyed by a hurricane, tornado, or other natural disaster? Stop sending money to the Red Cross for disaster relief everyone… god wants those people to suffer.

    How many thousands were killed in that Tsunami a few years back? According to messenger and Solomon, god wanted them dead… he directed the water to kill them, and therefore, they all must have been evil, because god only kills evil people.

  61. on 09 Apr 2013 at 12:41 am 61.s0l0m0n said …

    ” According to messenger and Solomon, god wanted them dead…”

    I didn’t imply that.

  62. on 09 Apr 2013 at 1:28 am 62.alex said …

    461.s0l0m0n said …
    ” According to messenger and Solomon, god wanted them dead…”
    I didn’t imply that.
    ——————————-
    459.s0l0m0n said …
    DPK,
    “Is a hurricane a being?”
    At first glance it is just air particles being directed by God to go anywhere. But the essence of it, it possess souls just like other beings. Just like our earth, rotating round the sun, all directed by God and gladly abide by the earth.
    ———————————-
    you lyin biatch, go baaaaack to fucking your sheep. what? dpk is talking about the tsunami and not about the hurricane? same shit, asshole. hurricanes kill people because god wanted them dead.

  63. on 10 Apr 2013 at 3:21 pm 63.s0l0m0n said …

    “hurricanes kill people because god wanted them dead.”
    I still didn’t imply that.
    alex is a fuckin’ ass.

  64. on 10 Apr 2013 at 3:26 pm 64.s0l0m0n said …

    Points to ponder..

    If God could grant a soul to human, granting a soul to the earth for example should be much simpler.

  65. on 13 Apr 2013 at 12:43 pm 65.Fluttershy said …

    -__-
    souls don’t exist.

    Soles do however, are you mistaking the two words?

    Why do so many people insult alex?

  66. on 13 Apr 2013 at 2:01 pm 66.Anonymous said …

    “Why do so many people insult alex?”

    Because it gives them something else to argue about instead of producing the evidence that they are not mentally ill.

  67. on 13 Apr 2013 at 4:17 pm 67.Fluttershy said …

    Good point ;D

  68. on 14 Apr 2013 at 5:56 am 68.s0l0m0n said …

    Atheists go at lengthy to sway people from the true path, but could not refute even a single piece of God’s mere words.

  69. on 14 Apr 2013 at 1:30 pm 69.alex said …

    go baaack to your sheep, s0l. they miss you.

  70. on 14 Apr 2013 at 6:32 pm 70.The messenger said …

    466.Anonymous

    You insult us all the time, as a way to cover up your arrogance.

  71. on 15 Apr 2013 at 1:14 am 71.s0l0m0n said …

    alex’s soul originates from ((((HELL)))), being granted a few days spree on earth, will go back to ((((HELL)))) soon.

  72. on 15 Apr 2013 at 4:48 pm 72.Fluttershy said …

    9_9
    Ohh s0l0m0n and your hell….

    …What exactly is hell like?
    Is there any good fishing spots?
    ooh, ooh, what about a sun tanning booth?, i could do with one of those.

  73. on 15 Apr 2013 at 5:36 pm 73.DPK said …

    If heaven is going to be filled with assholes like Solomon… sign me up for {{{HELL}}}!

    Hey Messy… Alex and I may be going… but remember, old Sol says YOU will be first in line!!!
    yuk, yuk, yuk…..

  74. on 16 Apr 2013 at 1:55 am 74.Anonymous said …

    Messy, the question was about Alex.

    What is wrong with you that you need to make every post about your persecution complex and your insecurity?

  75. on 16 Apr 2013 at 7:20 am 75.s0l0m0n said …

    Fluttershy,

    I would recommend you the body barbeque booth.

  76. on 16 Apr 2013 at 10:44 am 76.Fluttershy said …

    Is that like when they cover you in bacon first?
    That sounds good :D

  77. on 17 Apr 2013 at 12:43 am 77.s0l0m0n said …

    shutterfly,

    I think that’s about it. A blazing flaming bacon coat from ((((HELL)))).

  78. on 29 Apr 2013 at 8:13 am 78.Sean said …

    God managed to place both proof of his existence, and proof of Jesus Christ’s existence within the Bible, and did so in such a clever encoded manner.

    To see True Bible Codes, go to http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2a.htm

    Click on the flashing words “Watch / Listen”, and let the webpage take you on a webpage tour of such proof.

    But don’t forget today’s trend… “Reject before Inspect.”.

  79. on 29 Apr 2013 at 12:07 pm 79.alex said …

    “But don’t forget today’s trend… “Reject before Inspect.”.”

    don’t forget the xtian trend. the bible is everything, cept for the ones not to be taken literally. of course, every xtian is “THE” personal translator. everybody else is not a real xtian. what morons.

  80. on 29 Apr 2013 at 2:02 pm 80.Fluttershy said …

    shutterfly,
    I think that’s about it. A blazing flaming bacon coat from ((((HELL)))).

    nice, do they come in small?
    Im not the biggest guy in the world :D

  81. on 29 Apr 2013 at 2:15 pm 81.Fluttershy said …

    i also ponder why no one spells my name correctly

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