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Christianity Thomas on 11 Feb 2013 12:03 am

How Christians rationalize their delusion

As we read this story, we witness a Christian rationalizing his delusion:

Of God, Darwin and creation

But enough pert answers and beating around the bush. Let’s cut to the chase.

The Bible says one thing and the theory of natural selection says something else. How can I or anyone believe both?

To be blunt, I can’t. I don’t believe the biblical account of creation.

I can’t believe, not because of my science background, but because the Bible doesn’t say one thing.

It says two. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 offer two contradictory creation stories. Since the two different stories cannot both be believed, I rely on my God-given gifts of perception and reason for the facts.

I don’t believe the biblical accounts of creation, but I do believe IN them. A story that is not factual, can still show us truth.

Why is this rationalization? Because this pastor is admitting that the Bible’s creation story is nothing but a myth. Meaning it was written by ignorant men, like every other myth. Meaning that the God described is mythological. Meaning that God is imaginary.

The stories of creation teach us that all things find their source in God, that we are made in God’s image, and that creation is very good. We needn’t believe the facts of the stories to believe IN the truth they carry. Facts are to be seen, measured and tested.

The truth, like the Creator, is a person, not a thing to be grasped, but someone with whom to form a relationship — Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life.

He fails to see that the entire Bible is myth. You cannot “form a relationship” with a mythological being. It is embarrassing to think about this man, and billions like him, having their “realtionships” with their imaginary friends. How can adults behave in such a ridiculous way?

422 Responses to “How Christians rationalize their delusion”

  1. on 11 Feb 2013 at 2:38 am 1.Erik said …

    Because they’re not adults. Adults accept reality for what it is, rather than clinging to a wish.

  2. on 11 Feb 2013 at 3:35 am 2.s0l0m0n said …

    The theory of natural selection is just a theory. No proofs whatsoever. In other words it’s just a ((((HOAX)))).
    One thing that is clear cut…

    God does not possess any of his creations image.This is depicted in the ‘true’ book.

  3. on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:05 am 3.Brad said …

    “How can adults behave in such a ridiculous way?:

    It’s quite simple really. Kids go to college and get brainwashed and no longer think for themselves. They let some guy with letters behind his name think for him.

    The idea of two differing creation accounts is a common misinterpretation of these two passages in Genesis, which, in fact, describe the same creation event. They do not disagree as to the order in which things were created and do not contradict one another. Genesis 1 describes the “six days of creation” and a seventh day of rest, Genesis 2 covers only one day of that creation week, the sixth day, and there is no contradiction.

    In Genesis 2, the author steps back in the temporal sequence to the sixth day, when God made man. In the first chapter, the author of Genesis presents the creation of man on the sixth day as the culmination or high point of creation. Then, in the second chapter, the author gives greater detail regarding the creation of man.

  4. on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:08 am 4.The messenger said …

    Brother Thomas, you are better than these pathetic lies.

  5. on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:11 am 5.DPK said …

    Thomas… Link directs to wrong website.

  6. on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:16 am 6.The messenger said …

    Brother Thomas, Genesis 1 and genises 2 do not tell two diiferent creation stories.

    Nowhere in genesis 2 does it state any 2nd creation story.

    Genesis 1 states information about how god constructed the Earth.

    Genesis 2, states information about what living things that God created on the Earth.

    Genesis 2 is not a 2nd story of creation, it is another part of the creation story.

  7. on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:23 am 7.The messenger said …

    My family, genesis 1 states how God constructed the Earth.

    Genesis 2, states what life forms God put on the Earth.

    These are not two different stories, as Brother Thomas idiotically states. They are both parts of the same stories.

    Stop listening to our mentally misguided brother Thomas, and start listening to the truth.

  8. on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:33 am 8.The messenger said …

    Thomas, God is more than just an all powerful being. He is our father, and he our creator.

    God loves us, and he wants us to love each other and him too. We can all form a relationship with God, if we chose to have faith in him and if we follow his laws and virtues.

    http://www.rwf2000.com/gifs/10-God-Man.jpg
    His law.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Bible
    His virtues. The bible that I am referring to, is the Catholic bible.

  9. on 11 Feb 2013 at 6:25 am 9.Anonymous said …

    And Brad roars in with a two-in-one own goal.

    Brad starts off with plagiarism having complained that people don’t think for themselves (own goal, number one).

    Brad then compounds his embarrassment and proceeds to prove Thomas’ point regarding the need believe ridiculous rationalizations in order to protect the delusion (two nil, both own goals)

  10. on 11 Feb 2013 at 10:44 am 10.A said …

    Anony the Mouse roars in whining and complaining about a a poster, again, rather than content.

    This two creation accounts has been rebutted for so long I ROTFL when I saw it brought up again.

    What the atheist elite will do is this. Laugh at any creation account but they will not offer a viable solution to how it all began. They offer aliens, parallel universes and eternal matter/energy but, LOL!, they offer no proof, the one item they always yell the loudest for. What hypocrites.

  11. on 11 Feb 2013 at 12:21 pm 11.Lou(DFW) said …

    10.ASS said …

    “Anony the Mouse roars in whining and complaining about a a poster, again, rather than content.”

    If there’s anyone who’s a expert on that, then it’s most definitely you.

    “Laugh at any creation account but they will not offer a viable solution to how it all began.”

    So what? “How it all began” is irrelevant to god and religion unless you can provide evidence for your imaginary god and that he created “it all.” You have no such evidence because it didn’t happen that way.

    “They offer aliens, parallel universes and eternal matter/energy but, LOL!, they offer no proof, the one item they always yell the loudest for. What hypocrites.”

    ASS again goes off on an irrelevant tangent to avoid the fact that he doesn’t have any evidence for his delusion. Notice how he first went-off on 9.Anonymous, now he’s on a rant about things that were not even mentioned.

    ASS, and the rest of you, the topic isn’t creation. It’s about how xtians rationalize their delusion. At least ASS is indirectly staying on topic in that regard.

  12. on 11 Feb 2013 at 12:39 pm 12.Lesbian carwasher said …

    one question, why is he called ASS? O.o

  13. on 11 Feb 2013 at 1:00 pm 13.Lou(DFW) said …

    12.Lesbian carwasher said …

    “one question, why is he called ASS? O.o”

    Because he is one.

    He claimed to be an astrophysicist. And I got tired of typing ASStrophysicist. He demonstrates over and over that he’s an ass, but never that he’s astrophysicist.

  14. on 11 Feb 2013 at 3:30 pm 14.DPK said …

    There’s that… and Lou neglected to mention he has told us here that he is a capital “A” Astrophysicist, which means that he obviously failed English grammar while earning his Astrophysicist license from community college.

    But, I think more accurately, he is nicknamed for the orifice from which his thoughts typically originate.

    Think about that which typically eminates from your own asshole, and you will understand the correlation, and why it is a fitting moniker.

  15. on 11 Feb 2013 at 7:02 pm 15.Anonymous said …

    Anony the Mouse roars in whining and complaining about a a poster, again, rather than content.

    So now the hypocritical Asstrophsicist is unaware that plagiarizing refers to content.

    Back to playground taunting again, eh Xenon – I mean A.

  16. on 11 Feb 2013 at 7:23 pm 16.DPK said …

    “They offer aliens, parallel universes and eternal matter/energy but, LOL!, they offer no proof, the one item they always yell the loudest for. What hypocrites.”

    It is always so much fun slamming your red herrings and reminding everyone of the nonsense you post.

    No one here “offers” any of those things, except perhaps to refute your unfounded claims that there is no other possible explanation for the existence of the universe save for a magical god-being.

    Atheism is not an “offer” of anything. It is simply a rejection of your completely unfounded superstitions and fables. The fact is, atheists don’t know exactly how the universe originated any more than people who don’t watch tennis offer any explanation for the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal. The actual fact is, YOU are the only ones here claiming to know exactly how the universe came to be… and you do not “KNOW” that… at all. Yet, you continue to insist that you do, while offering no actual evidence that would convince anyone that any of the claims you make about the nature and reality of your supernatural god-friend are actually true.

    Until you do that, the continual lies you present about atheists in your attempt to divert attention away from the obvious are just pathetic farts in the wind.

  17. on 11 Feb 2013 at 7:45 pm 17.Anonymous said …

    The link has been corrected, let’s get back to the story.

    The link points to an article posted by a self-described Seminary trained priest. We have the words of a Christian priest that says that the bible offers differing and incompatible accounts in Genesis. This isn’t an atheist speaking, it’s someone whose job it is to pass on “the word of Christ”. His comment must carry more weight than that of a troll such as Messenger.

    So, let’s look at how the non-theologically trained responded. It’s the Brads, the Messengers, the As of the world who reach for rationalizations and want to claim that their bible is harmonious. In doing so they contradict one of their teachers who points out that it isn’t.

    Christians, you need to explain this without resorting to red herrings, personal attacks, and other fallacies, including false appeals to fallacy.

  18. on 11 Feb 2013 at 9:13 pm 18.DPK said …

    “…reach for rationalizations and want to claim that their bible is harmonious. In doing so they contradict one of their teachers who points out that it isn’t.”

    To me, this is no different than, as someone recently pointed out, arguing whether Capt. Kirk or Capt. Picard was a “better” captain. Whether Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 agree with each other or not is like arguing whether Noah kept the elephants in the front of the boat, or the stern. Stupidity.

    The bible provides a description of creation that simply does not fit with any observable evidence. No matter what mind bending “interpretations” you give to the biblical creation myth, you cannot reconcile it with reality. What you “believe” makes no difference to the universe. It cares not one bit what is written in your magical book.

  19. on 11 Feb 2013 at 10:19 pm 19.Martin said …

    “The bible provides a description of creation that simply does not fit with any observable evidence.”

    Provide this evidence that contradicts.

  20. on 11 Feb 2013 at 10:47 pm 20.The messenger said …

    on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:16 am 6.The messenger said …
    Brother Thomas, Genesis 1 and genises 2 do not tell two diiferent creation stories.
    Nowhere in genesis 2 does it state any 2nd creation story.
    Genesis 1 states information about how god constructed the Earth.
    Genesis 2, states information about what living things that God created on the Earth.
    Genesis 2 is not a 2nd story of creation, it is another part of the creation story.

  21. on 11 Feb 2013 at 10:48 pm 21.The messenger said …

    on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:33 am 8.The messenger said …
    Thomas, God is more than just an all powerful being. He is our father, and he our creator.
    God loves us, and he wants us to love each other and him too. We can all form a relationship with God, if we chose to have faith in him and if we follow his laws and virtues.
    http://www.rwf2000.com/gifs/10-God-Man.jpg
    His law.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Bible
    His virtues. The bible that I am referring to, is the Catholic bible.

  22. on 11 Feb 2013 at 10:50 pm 22.The messenger said …

    on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:23 am 7.The messenger said …
    My family, genesis 1 states how God constructed the Earth.
    Genesis 2, states what life forms God put on the Earth.
    These are not two different stories, as Brother Thomas idiotically states. They are both parts of the same stories.
    Stop listening to our mentally misguided brother Thomas, and start listening to the truth.

  23. on 11 Feb 2013 at 11:37 pm 23.DPK said …

    Martin, you are “persona non grata”. You don’t get to ask questions, because you have demonstrated amply that you are unwilling to engage in honest debate.
    A person who refuses to answer questions asked directly of him has no right to come here and demand answers of anyone.
    You are blackballed for being the obvious troll that you are.
    No go away, or we shall taunt you further.

  24. on 12 Feb 2013 at 12:29 am 24.Lou(DFW) said …

    20.DPK said …

    “You are blackballed for being the obvious troll that you are.”

    Well said.

  25. on 12 Feb 2013 at 12:37 am 25.A said …

    Martin,

    You are more than welcomed here. If nothing else, you upset the trolls which I find appealing.

    Let me answer for DPK since he will not. He has no evidence. Actually, until the 20th century, science denied vigorously that the universe even had a beginning. Such view were uncomfortable for science to contemplate. It was seen as a religious/philosophical view. Fast-forward 100 years, science has embraced the religious/philosophical view.

    Sagan and others come along and speak of a universe using the anthropic principle giving the universe awareness and consciousness. What do we have? The admittance that God exists without using the term. They are slowly coming around.

  26. on 12 Feb 2013 at 12:45 am 26.alex said …

    You can say that millions of atheists have converted to your bullshit religion, but it doesn’t change a damn thing, does it? Your god is still bullshit. Pour perfume on it and give it a different lighting, still bs.

  27. on 12 Feb 2013 at 1:36 am 27.s0l0m0n said …

    alex comments have no substance at all. It will be much wiser if he kick his own ass out of this site.

  28. on 12 Feb 2013 at 3:00 am 28.alex said …

    OK, I’ll leave. BTW, what’s your bullshit god’s name? What? Speak up, mistah mooslim?

  29. on 12 Feb 2013 at 3:20 am 29.Anonymous said …

    The stories of creation teach us that all things find their source in God, that we are made in God’s image, and that creation is very good. We needn’t believe the facts of the stories to believe IN the truth they carry. Facts are to be seen, measured and tested.

    This is an excellent example of the way Christians try to twist the meanings of words in order to salvage their beliefs.

    In the above quote the pastor tries to claim that even though the bible stories themselves don’t line up with the facts (i.e. they are nonsensical) that, somehow, their being full of nonsense still allows them to be “true”. Where true actually means absurd.

    Speaking of rationalizations, all those prayers that believers offer for the Pope’s health and success don’t seem to have achieved much. One hopes his successor won’t be quite so much a fan of protecting their representatives who rape little boys.

  30. on 12 Feb 2013 at 4:11 am 30.Lou(DFW) said …

    25.ASS said …

    “Martin,
    You are more than welcomed here.”

    Poor ASS, he really can’t follow.

    Martin, you are more than welcome to engage in honest discussion. But when you refuse to do so, at least you are welcomed by ASS. Misery loves company.

    “If nothing else, you upset the trolls which I find appealing.”

    Says the guy who wrote “Anony the Mouse roars in whining and complaining about a a poster, again, rather than content.”

    See, it’s more important for ASS to see his critics allegedly “upset” than it is to actually counter them with an honest reply to their questions and comments. ASS, the only thing upsetting about you is that you’re such a despicable person. And because of that, here you are, acting out (to behave badly or in a socially unacceptable often self-defeating manner especially as a means of venting painful emotions (as fear or frustration). Yes, ASS, we understand you and how it’s so frustrating for you to be unable to defend your delusion. If you weren’t such a miserable lot, I would actually have sympathy for you.

    “Let me answer for DPK since he will not.”

    Why is it that ASS is so quick to answer for someone else when he NEVER, EVER answers for himself? He thinks avoiding questions about his delusion is somehow a point for him, but when his opponents refuse to reply to his dishonest tactics, then it’s a point for HIM.

    ASS, you are more than welcome here, too. But only after you clean your shit off the chessboard and replace the pieces. When you’re able to do that, then get back to us.

  31. on 12 Feb 2013 at 4:33 am 31.SisterChromatid said …

    Would anyone even try to believe a religious creation story if they hadn’t been told they’d be saved for faith and/or tortured forever for lack of faith?

    I think not.

    The chromosome 2 fusion between humans and chimps is a slam dunk for evolution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

    It appears Jesus died for a metaphor– or perhaps he was a metaphor too.

  32. on 12 Feb 2013 at 7:07 am 32.Lesbian carwasher said …

    can someone make a nickname for me plz ;D?

  33. on 12 Feb 2013 at 12:27 pm 33.Martin said …

    “the bible stories themselves don’t line up with the facts”

    The facts are what? If the creation story is incorrect prove the correct sequence of events.

  34. on 12 Feb 2013 at 12:47 pm 34.Lou(DFW) said …

    23.DPK said …

    Martin, you are “persona non grata”. You don’t get to ask questions, because you have demonstrated amply that you are unwilling to engage in honest debate.
    A person who refuses to answer questions asked directly of him has no right to come here and demand answers of anyone.

  35. on 12 Feb 2013 at 12:48 pm 35.Lou(DFW) said …

    32.Lesbian carwasher said …

    “can someone make a nickname for me plz ;D?”

    Someone did. You missed it.

  36. on 12 Feb 2013 at 12:58 pm 36.Lesbian carwasher said …

    what is it then O.o?

  37. on 12 Feb 2013 at 2:28 pm 37.Lou(DFW) said …

    36.Lesbian carwasher said …

    “what is it then O.o?”

    Don’t you remember your exchange with Burp the Babeler? He called you lesbian crawler. I don’t remember if he originated it, however.

  38. on 12 Feb 2013 at 2:41 pm 38.DPK said …

    I vote for LCW…. Faster to type.
    BTW… Keep you eye on the news. Rumor has it I’m in the race for Pope.
    Wish me luck.

  39. on 12 Feb 2013 at 2:42 pm 39.Lou(DFW) said …

    38.DPK said …

    “BTW… Keep you eye on the news. Rumor has it I’m in the race for Pope.
    Wish me luck.”

    You will never beat Jerry Sandusky.

  40. on 12 Feb 2013 at 3:53 pm 40.Anonymous said …

    Martin, you are “persona non grata”. You don’t get to ask questions, because you have demonstrated amply that you are unwilling to engage in honest debate.
    A person who refuses to answer questions asked directly of him has no right to come here and demand answers of anyone.

    Add quoting out of context and cherry picking to Martin’s attempts to subvert the discussion on this blog.

    Also, let’s not forget that Martin was the one that told others not to ask question on this blog and that this blog was only for entertainment.

    He’s clearly not here for any form of honest debate.

    Jerry would make a good pope; he certainly has the requisite job experience.

  41. on 12 Feb 2013 at 5:50 pm 41.A said …

    DPK is up for Pope? Keep the children away. K knew had issues but he is sick

    Martin

    Let me answer for Mouse. He has no facts nor an alternative for origins he can support with facts.

  42. on 12 Feb 2013 at 6:00 pm 42.s0l0m0n said …

    Theists are far too advance regarding the reality of things by simply clinging to the creation theory while atheists are far backward.
    Ask them whether their ‘god’, Nature can even design & build a single species of mosquito.

  43. on 12 Feb 2013 at 7:09 pm 43.MrQ said …

    Sol, The confused one:

    Theists are far too advance regarding the reality of things by simply clinging to the creation theory while atheists are far backward.

    What about the “smart” theists that say the Theory of Evolution is (((TRUTH)))?
    Sol’s vest continues to tick. The virgins await….

  44. on 12 Feb 2013 at 7:13 pm 44.Lou(DFW) said …

    41.ASS said …

    “DPK is up for Pope? Keep the children away. K knew had issues but he is sick”

    ASS, you aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

    “Martin

    Let me answer for Mouse. He has no facts nor an alternative for origins he can support with facts.”

    Yes, allow ASS to answer for everybody else, because he can’t answer for himself. That’s the only way he gets to play.

  45. on 12 Feb 2013 at 7:15 pm 45.Lou(DFW) said …

    42.s0l0m0n said …

    “Ask them whether their ‘god’, Nature can even design & build a single species of mosquito.”

    Ask him to specifically name in which imaginary god you believe and of which religion he is.

    ASS, here’s your chance to answer for someone else again, because he won’t.

  46. on 12 Feb 2013 at 9:18 pm 46.DPK said …

    43.Lou(DFW) said …

    41.ASS said …

    “DPK is up for Pope? Keep the children away. K knew had issues but he is sick”

    ASS, you aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

    Maybe we should change his nickname from “Ass” to “Totally Clueless”. hahaha

  47. on 12 Feb 2013 at 10:38 pm 47.The messenger said …

    Sister 31.SisterChromatid, Jesus did not die for a metaphor.

    He died do that we can go to heaven.

    Why did you mock him with your pathetic, feeble, irrational lies?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNPoxmwLC1c

  48. on 12 Feb 2013 at 10:44 pm 48.The messenger said …

    Brother 26.alex, why do you hate Jesus so much?

    He died for you. He always taught us to love others, even if they do not love us.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblegateway.com%2Fpassage%2F%3Fsearch%3DMatthew%2B5%253A43-48%26version%3DNIV&ei=M8UaUfL1D46m8QSzloGABA&usg=AFQjCNFf3pdNeUq0YacQd8noBmmHAiCTMQ

  49. on 12 Feb 2013 at 10:44 pm 49.The messenger said …

    on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:33 am 8.The messenger said …
    Thomas, God is more than just an all powerful being. He is our father, and he our creator.
    God loves us, and he wants us to love each other and him too. We can all form a relationship with God, if we chose to have faith in him and if we follow his laws and virtues.
    http://www.rwf2000.com/gifs/10-God-Man.jpg
    His law.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Bible
    His virtues. The bible that I am referring to, is the Catholic bible.
    .

  50. on 12 Feb 2013 at 10:45 pm 50.The messenger said …

    on 11 Feb 2013 at 10:50 pm 22.The messenger said …
    on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:23 am 7.The messenger said …
    My family, genesis 1 states how God constructed the Earth.
    Genesis 2, states what life forms God put on the Earth.
    These are not two different stories, as Brother Thomas idiotically states. They are both parts of the same stories.
    Stop listening to our mentally misguided brother Thomas, and start listening to the truth.

  51. on 12 Feb 2013 at 11:43 pm 51.Anon said …

    It’s simple, christards like The messenger and s0l0m0n are just fucked up in the head.

  52. on 12 Feb 2013 at 11:45 pm 52.Anonymous said …

    It’s simple, christards like The messenger and s0l0m0n are just fucked up in the head.

  53. on 13 Feb 2013 at 1:22 am 53.s0l0m0n said …

    All atheists know is just to rant “fucked up in the head” but without any substance.

  54. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:35 am 54.The messenger said …

    Brothers, let md introduce to you the famous stupid talking parrot. his mame is “52.Anonymous the Ridiculous”.

  55. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:36 am 55.The messenger said …

    Brothers, let me introduce to you the famous stupid talking parrot. His name is “52.Anonymous the Ridiculous”.

  56. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:42 am 56.s0l0m0n said …

    The atheists are still struggling to refute the creation theory which they will not able while the simple creation theory is full proof all along and will always be.

  57. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:45 am 57.s0l0m0n said …

    The messenger,

    God is not your biological nor your spiritual father. God is God and your father is your father. That is clear cut.Don’t sway the people from the right path.

  58. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:54 am 58.The messenger said …

    Brother 51.Anon, I would never wish to steal your job as the online idiot.

  59. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:55 am 59.s0l0m0n said …

    The atheist only made up theories on the existence of beings that have existed or being created. Lets see how do they made up the story from beings that have never been created or existed.This is a doctrine challenge.

  60. on 13 Feb 2013 at 5:27 am 60.Lesbian carwasher said …

    if it never existed then athiests dont make up theories…
    how hard is that to understand O.o?

  61. on 13 Feb 2013 at 5:29 am 61.Lesbian carwasher said …

    42.s0l0m0n said …
    Theists are far too advance regarding the reality of things by simply clinging to the creation theory while atheists are far backward.
    Ask them whether their ‘god’, Nature can even design & build a single species of mosquito.

    you realise that many species of mosquito have evolved in the american subways,right?

  62. on 13 Feb 2013 at 6:25 am 62.s0l0m0n said …

    Nothing can support the evolution theory. Creation theory yes, like the car manufacturing assembly line. Have anyone witness a mercedes benz evolved into a BMW?

  63. on 13 Feb 2013 at 6:32 am 63.s0l0m0n said …

    “if it never existed then athiests dont make up theories…”

    In other words atheists doesn’t even know the essence of existence, until it exists then they try to comment/manipulate. Theists instead have known the essence of existence even though that thing/being haven’t existed.

    It’s easy to fool the condemned lots.

  64. on 13 Feb 2013 at 6:38 am 64.The messenger said …

    Brother 57.s0l0m0n, God is everyone’s father.

    He created everyone, and he loves us and cares for us.

    He is our father; not by biology, but by soul. He created our bobbies and souls, and he put our souls into our bodies.

    He is our father, he loves us and guides us an the path of righteousness, through Judaism and Christianity. NOT By Islam.

  65. on 13 Feb 2013 at 6:39 am 65.The messenger said …

    In comment 62 I ment to type the word “bodies”, not bobbies. The spell chech changed it.

  66. on 13 Feb 2013 at 6:48 am 66.The messenger said …

    Brother 57.s0l0m0n, here are some of the reasons that I am against Islam. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
    They murdered them in the name of Islam. And because the Islamic countries were greedy with their oil.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women
    They beat and murder innocent wemon in the name of thier false holy law.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/10/09/Production/Daily/A-Section/Images/APTOPIX_Pakistan-0dfcd.jpg
    They shot this young school girl in the name of Islamic law, just because she wants to go to school.

  67. on 13 Feb 2013 at 7:00 am 67.The messenger said …

    Brother 57.s0l0m0n, here are some of the reasons that I am against Islam. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
    They murdered them in the name of Islam. And because the Islamic countries were greedy with their oil.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women
    They beat and murder innocent wemon in the name of thier false holy law.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-
    2019/WashingtonPost/2012/10/09/Production/Daily/A-Section/Images/APTOPIX_Pakistan-0dfcd.jpg
    They shot this young school girl in the name of Islamic law, just because she wants to go to school.

  68. on 13 Feb 2013 at 7:01 am 68.The messenger said …

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taliban_execute_Zarmeena_in_Kabul_in1999_RAWA.jpg
    They shot this young woman because she defended her self when her husband was beating her.
    She has 7 children. Now those kids will grow up without a mother because these Islamic abominations murdered her.

  69. on 13 Feb 2013 at 8:26 am 69.s0l0m0n said …

    Brother messenger,

    I miss this previously.

    “Brother 51.Anon, I would never wish to steal your job as the online idiot.”

    Whaaaa…..ka….ka…ka….

  70. on 13 Feb 2013 at 8:34 am 70.s0l0m0n said …

    MrQ,

    “What about the “smart” theists that say the Theory of Evolution is (((TRUTH)))?”

    I’am not responsible for what other theists say. I have my own belief system.You can ask them yourself.

  71. on 13 Feb 2013 at 8:54 am 71.Severin said …

    #33
    “The facts are what? If the creation story is incorrect prove the correct sequence of events.”

    If the abiogenesis and evolution story are incorrect, why don’t you prove the correct sequence of events or creation story?

    Describe mechanism of creation and tell us approximate time when it happened, tht is all, for beginning.

  72. on 13 Feb 2013 at 9:01 am 72.Severin said …

    … of creation story?

  73. on 13 Feb 2013 at 9:09 am 73.Lesbian carwasher said …

    Yes, i would also like to see how “God” made every thing, and when

  74. on 13 Feb 2013 at 10:33 am 74.Martin said …

    Severin is admitting they have no evidence for their origin theories?

    No alien seeding evidence?(Crick)

  75. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:39 am 75.Lou(DFW) said …

    DPK said …

    Martin, you are “persona non grata”. You don’t get to ask questions, because you have demonstrated amply that you are unwilling to engage in honest debate.
    A person who refuses to answer questions asked directly of him has no right to come here and demand answers of anyone.

  76. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:46 am 76.Lou(DFW) said …

    71.Severin said …

    “If the abiogenesis and evolution story are incorrect, why don’t you prove the correct sequence of events or creation story?

    Describe mechanism of creation and tell us approximate time when it happened, tht is all, for beginning.”

    Sev, please do not get into another long, convoluted debate with them about creation and origins. All they are going to do is demand that you prove this and that about NON-THEOLOGICAL ideas that are irrelevant to god and religion, and to this particular topic. Furthermore, this is not the place for it.

    Besides that, you KNOW that ASS/Mitch/Martin is NEVER going to engage in an honest discussion.

  77. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:47 am 77.Lou(DFW) said …

    73.Lesbian carwasher said …

    “Yes, i would also like to see how “God” made every thing, and when”

    Yes, we would, but it didn’t happen. So forget it.

  78. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:49 am 78.Lou(DFW) said …

    70.s0l0m0n said …

    “I have my own belief system.”

    And that’s all you have – a belief system. Thank you for at least admitting that much.

  79. on 13 Feb 2013 at 12:21 pm 79.Curmudgeon said …

    This is what Severin and others do They mock Intelligent Design and yet provide no other option. Do what Lou says Severin. Run all posts by him first.

  80. on 13 Feb 2013 at 12:22 pm 80.Lesbian carwasher said …

    wait…
    Lou WANTS to have no debates?
    wheres the fun in that ;D?

  81. on 13 Feb 2013 at 12:46 pm 81.s0l0m0n said …

    66.The messenger,

    Those post are not the teachings of the true religion.

  82. on 13 Feb 2013 at 12:53 pm 82.s0l0m0n said …

    Lesbian carwasher ,

    “Yes, i would also like to see how “God” made every thing, and when”

    So you want to know how God made everything.
    It’s purely simple.
    He just need to say “be it” and there it is and it is there by the time God said it.

    Whaaaaa…ka…ka…ka…

  83. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:43 pm 83.Lou(DFW) said …

    79.Crum, in another lie said …

    “This is what Severin and others do They mock Intelligent Design and yet provide no other option.”

    Of course he and other did that here over and over. And when they do, you and our ilk succeed in providing a diversion from the fact that you don’t have any evidence for you imaginary god.

  84. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:46 pm 84.Lou(DFW) said …

    80.Lesbian carwasher said …

    “Lou WANTS to have no debates?
    wheres the fun in that ;D?”

    Wrong. I want honest debates about god and religion, not origin, evolution, etc.

    1. The regular theists here are not capable of honest debate. They wont even answer a direct question about their imaginary god nor religion.

    2. This isn’t the place for debates about evolution and other off-topic debates.

  85. on 13 Feb 2013 at 2:47 pm 85.Lou(DFW) said …

    81.Lou(DFW) said …

    Correction: …your ilk…

  86. on 13 Feb 2013 at 7:14 pm 86.Severin said …

    #74
    “Severin is admitting they have no evidence for their origin theories?”

    Not for abiogenesis. Evolution is proved, I have nothing to add.

    Now you: how and when did god create life?
    Dirt/dust + inhaling god’s saliva through Adam’s nostrils, or some ther way and time?

    And, of course, which god did it?

    If you don’t know it, please admit it, or ask Solomon.

    If you don’t have any answers, you are free to fuck off from here.

  87. on 13 Feb 2013 at 7:23 pm 87.Severin said …

    #79
    “This is what Severin and others do They mock Intelligent Design and yet provide no other option.”

    Can’t you live without lying?

    I exposed my opinon about 100 times on these pages.
    In short:
    Matter and energy are not created, but exist and change their form according to natural laws.
    Live started some 3 billion years ago on earth spontaniously, following laws of chemistry. “Chance” did not play significant role in beginning of life. Time did.
    First life evolved to the present exyent following the rules of evolution.

    In your helplessness, what else can you do but lie?

    Liar!

  88. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:05 pm 88.Lou (DFW) said …

    87.Severin said …

    “First life evolved to the present exyent following the rules of evolution.”

    Sev, Sev, Sev – of course he’s a liar, that’s all he has. But every time you comment as you did above he’s going to demand that you “prove it.” So why get dragged into his game again?

  89. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:31 am 89.s0l0m0n said …

    Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to men that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.

    Atheists are ((((LIARS)))).

  90. on 14 Feb 2013 at 2:22 am 90.s0l0m0n said …

    There must be a first design of things before it might evolute.

    Now who creates the first design?

    I bet the atheists won’t answer coz’ they didn’t have the answer.

  91. on 14 Feb 2013 at 3:15 am 91.The messenger said …

    Brather 90.s0l0m0n, correct.

  92. on 14 Feb 2013 at 3:27 am 92.A said …

    “I exposed my opinon about 100 times on these pages.”

    And I have told you, we don’t care about your opinion, only what you can prove.

    Now stop ticking off Thelma-Lou and share with us what you can prove using Thelma Rules.

    Example>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    “Live started some 3 billion years ago on earth spontaniously, following laws of chemistry. “Chance” did not play significant role in beginning of life. Time did. First life evolved to the present exyent following the rules of evolution.”

    Proof Chance did not play a role. Proof Time did. Prove the laws of Chemistry existed. Prove life evolved from non-living matter.

  93. on 14 Feb 2013 at 4:35 am 93.DPK said …

    There must be a first design of things before it might evolute.
    Now who creates the first design?

    If there is a “who” to create the “first design”, then it isn’t the first design, is it?

  94. on 14 Feb 2013 at 7:00 am 94.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    Don’t try to twist the meaning of my word. The word ‘things’ means creations like YOU or the APE or other beings. It didn’t mean the first “thing”(number 1) or “being” that is designed you ((((TWISTER)))).

    Now get back to the question….

    Who creates the first design of things?

    The existence of things must first start with the things itself eg. mosquito.It doesn’t start with evolution first.Evolution might not happen without the existence of the ‘thing’.

  95. on 14 Feb 2013 at 7:12 am 95.s0l0m0n said …

    Pheeeww….

    The atheists are losing the debate.
    Can’t even give a decent answer.

  96. on 14 Feb 2013 at 7:13 am 96.s0l0m0n said …

    Atheists….

    You better raise your white flag..

  97. on 14 Feb 2013 at 7:26 am 97.Lesbian carwasher said …

    90.s0l0m0n said …

    There must be a first design of things before it might evolute.

    Now who creates the first design?

    I bet the atheists won’t answer coz’ they didn’t have the answer.

    who made god?

  98. on 14 Feb 2013 at 8:32 am 98.s0l0m0n said …

    In a shoddy toy factory the manufacturer of the toy knows exactly the design and build of the toy.
    Suddenly the toy says….”Nobody build me…”
    Then the toy eagerly explain her own existence.
    “I evolved from a toy ape”…..???

    Is that exactly what most atheists meant?

  99. on 14 Feb 2013 at 8:38 am 99.s0l0m0n said …

    Lesbian carwasher,

    Answer my question first before you create another question.

    Who create the first design of things?

    “who made god?”

    That’s chicken feed…

    God can’t be made coz’ he’s equivalent to ((((NOTHING)))).

    Whaaaaa…ka…ka…ka…

  100. on 14 Feb 2013 at 8:55 am 100.s0l0m0n said …

    The atheists beliefs are gradually diminishing.That’s a good sign.

  101. on 14 Feb 2013 at 10:03 am 101.Lesbian carwasher said …

    If god is nothing, then he doesnt exist

    you rather stupidly said that god is imaginary -__-

    and no, toys do not evolve for you see, they are not made of cells and hence have no DNA

    And yes, we did evolve, not from your stereotypical “APE” but from a simpler organism that from then on came from a simpler organism.

  102. on 14 Feb 2013 at 10:04 am 102.Lesbian carwasher said …

    and wtf does wha ka ka ka mean?

    are you planning to blow up my house to get virgins? O.o

  103. on 14 Feb 2013 at 10:47 am 103.alex said …

    Sheep sound when s0l does his thing.

  104. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:16 pm 104.s0l0m0n said …

    “If god is nothing, then he doesnt exist”

    I didn’t say God is nothing.

    I said God is equivalent to nothing.
    Therefore he exists.

    “and wtf does wha ka ka ka mean?”
    Whaaaa….ka…ka…ka…is my patented laugh.

    “And yes, we did evolve, not from your stereotypical “APE” but from a simpler organism that from then on came from a simpler organism.”

    After failing to get fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to men that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true the atheists took an abrupt about turn claiming they evolve from simpler organism. After this there’s no doubt they will change their claim without shame when refuted.

    Always changing stories/claims. No consistencies at all. They are registered ((((LIARS)))).

  105. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:31 pm 105.Lou(DFW) said …

    94.s0l0m0n said …

    “Don’t try to twist the meaning of my word. The word ‘things’ means creations like YOU or the APE or other beings. It didn’t mean the first “thing”(number 1) or “being” that is designed you ((((TWISTER)))).”

    LOL! Then using your convoluted logic and examples, the first “thing” (number 1) (or US – humans), who designed and created cars (your example) didn’t require a creator/designer because the “existence of things must first start with the things itself eg.” humans.

    There you have it. According to sOlOmOn-logic, we humans didn’t require a creator because we are the “first “thing”(number 1).”

    Furthermore, using his own example of humans making cars as “evidence” (LOL!) of intelligent design wherein the designer/creator (us) is obviously visible and known to EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET, he says the same thing for his imaginary god creator (whom he won’t admit in which one he believes) whom he imagines created humans and the universe.

    Oh yes, he is a mass of conflicting ideas and beliefs. No wonder they hate and fight so much, embrace violence, and blow-up themselves.

  106. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:32 pm 106.Lou(DFW) said …

    100.s0l0m0n said …

    “The atheists beliefs are gradually diminishing.That’s a good sign.”

    You lying moron, disbelief, BY DEFINITION, is not belief.

  107. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:33 pm 107.Lou(DFW) said …

    104.s0l0m0n said …

    “Whaaaa….ka…ka…ka…is my patented laugh.”

    Yes, it’s patently absurd, like the laugh of a nut – and that’s no joke.

  108. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:40 pm 108.Lou(DFW) said …

    104.s0l0m0n said …

    “Always changing stories/claims. No consistencies at all. They are registered ((((LIARS)))).”

    Says the idiot who lies about evolution when lying about an alleged connection between evolution and disbelief in his imaginary god – one whom he is afraid to admit in believing while condemning those who don’t believe in it, even though they can’t know who it is because of his lack of admission.

    Such is the sad mind of a deluded theist. But, at least it demonstrates that theists, no matter in which imaginary god they believe, have absolutely nothing but lies to support their delusion.

  109. on 14 Feb 2013 at 2:49 pm 109.Anonymous said …

    Great. Now can we please stop discussing evolution and get back to the topic of this post?

  110. on 14 Feb 2013 at 3:52 pm 110.DPK said …

    Actually….
    The topic was “How Christians (and presumably, other religious nuts, like solomon) Rationalize Their Delusions”.

    Seems like the theists have made a pretty good presentation of exactly that here… so, what’s to discuss?

    I mean, we get to read jems like this:

    “So you want to know how God made everything.
    It’s purely simple.
    He just need to say “be it” and there it is and it is there by the time God said it.”

    yuk yuk yuk … that’s my “patented laugh”. I like it because it ridicules and mocks you at the same time.

  111. on 14 Feb 2013 at 4:36 pm 111.Lou(DFW) said …

    82.s0l0m0n said …

    “He just need to say “be it” and there it is and it is there by the time God said it.”

    LOL! Jeanie need only blink and Samantha wiggled her nose. How do you know god spoke English?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmdCAT7Rc8

  112. on 14 Feb 2013 at 7:27 pm 112.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW),

    If I were to name the award winning candidate for the cheapest old lousy stupid tricks then it will goes to you, you scum.

    “LOL! Then using your convoluted logic and examples, the first “thing” (number 1) (or US – humans), who designed and created cars (your example) didn’t require a creator/designer because the “existence of things must first start with the things itself eg.” humans.”

    These are not my convoluted logic. These are your own lousy words.

    First…Who says the first “thing” (number 1) is us-Humans?I didn’t say that. It’s you who said that.

    When I said “The existence of things must first start with the things itself eg. mosquito.” I’am saying this in the context of demonstrating something that exists should start with the creation of that thing, not starting with evolvement, coz’ at that instant there’s nothing to be evolved.

    Everyone can spot it. You on the other hand twist it as if it’s me who said that the existence of human doesn’t require a creator coz’ it should first start with the human itself.

    Even though the existence of human should start with the human itself(as you put it) I didn’t even say it doesn’t require a creator.

    Now your tricks are busted.

  113. on 14 Feb 2013 at 7:34 pm 113.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW),

    “LOL! Jeanie need only blink and Samantha wiggled
    her nose. How do you know god spoke English?”

    Every language originate from God.Even the animals language…Meow…Meow….So there’s no fuss in what language God should speak.

  114. on 14 Feb 2013 at 7:38 pm 114.s0l0m0n said …

    Theists just can’t get over believers ingenuity.

  115. on 14 Feb 2013 at 7:41 pm 115.s0l0m0n said …

    Sorry ATheists just can’t get over believers ingenuity.

  116. on 14 Feb 2013 at 11:42 pm 116.DPK said …

    94.s0l0m0n said …
    “Don’t try to twist the meaning of my word. The word ‘things’ means creations like YOU or the APE or other beings. It didn’t mean the first “thing”(number 1) or “being” that is designed you ((((TWISTER)))).”

    No one needs to “twist” the meaning of your words. They are plenty twisted all by themselves. Here is the thing Solomon, or should we call you Mohammed, as I’m sure it’s in your name somewhere. You are a total nut job. Carry on.

  117. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:26 am 117.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW)

    ” one whom he is afraid to admit in believing while condemning those who don’t believe in it, even though they can’t know who it is because of his lack of admission.”

    Even without knowing the real identity of God,one could spot the truth brought about by God, but the atheists lots choose to ignore or sway themselves from the right path.They are indeed the inhabitants of ((((HELL)))).

  118. on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:49 am 118.alex said …

    s0l0m0n Says:

    September 22nd, 2011 at 16:37
    Why do you say I’am not Muslim. You don’t know much about religion don’t you?

    http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1633

    the dipshit is a freaking mooslim. run, grab your pork and your virgins. the motherfucker is fina blow up your shit.

  119. on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:55 am 119.alex said …

    s0l0m0n
    January 10, 2012 at 2:04 pm (UTC -6) Link to this comment
    Reply
    Aquaria,

    It’s crystal clear that you will inherit ((((HELL)))).
    If you think your IQ is good enough, then try to make a blob of clay walk on it’s belly.To (((HELL))) you could.There you are,just a fuckin’ piece of shit.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/2011/12/31/so-many-claims-so-little-no-support/

    s0l0m0n, you got a potty mouth.

  120. on 15 Feb 2013 at 7:02 am 120.Lesbain carwasher said …

    im going to stick with the topic this time ;D

    okai here it is…

    athiests only believe in what has valid evidence.

    religous people believe in stuff that has no evidence, so they have to rationalize to make it make sense to them, yet look like rubbish to every one else…

    does this look correct?

  121. on 15 Feb 2013 at 7:11 am 121.Lesbain carwasher said …

    Solomon said
    “After failing to get fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to men that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true the atheists took an abrupt about turn claiming they evolve from simpler organism. After this there’s no doubt they will change their claim without shame when refuted.”

    you mean the dozens of fossil and preserved remains that show a transition of ape like beings to humans?
    I never changed my claim, nor did any one…

  122. on 15 Feb 2013 at 7:15 am 122.s0l0m0n said …

    Lesbain carwasher,

    “athiests only believe in what has valid evidence.”

    Then what evidence do you have that make you alive while the stone is “dead”?

    You are alive because there is a rokh(some form of energy) inside you but you can’t find evidence to prove it while reasoning proofs that it is inside you because you are alive.

    Belief is sufficient thru’ reasoning.
    Reasoning is sufficient evidence.

    Don’t try to bluff.

  123. on 15 Feb 2013 at 7:44 am 123.s0l0m0n said …

    Lesbain carwasher,

    “I never changed my claim, nor did any one…”

    You can just simply rant anything as long as your mouth can speak without substance.

    First I didn’t say YOU change your claim, I presumed the general atheists population, and also I didn’t say they change their claim yet, but I say they “will” change their claim.
    See…how the believers are very careful with their words. Their words are perfect…(controlled by God).

    “you mean the dozens of fossil and preserved remains that show a transition of ape like beings to humans?”

    Ape or humans doesn’t arrive in dozens, they arrive in millions.Evolution is a ((((HOAX))). No proofs.

    Atheists are doomed.

  124. on 15 Feb 2013 at 11:12 am 124.Lesbian carwasher said …

    umm…no i have no spiritual soul

    im “different” to a rock, as i am made of cells, and electrical impulses control my muscles and organs, which all together mixed with my brain which is an advanced organic computer, allows me to “live”, move and do anything i need to.

    if you honestly cannot believe this, i would advise you to read a basic biology book or the how my body works collection

  125. on 15 Feb 2013 at 11:18 am 125.Lesbian carwasher said …

    Solomon said
    “Ape or humans doesn’t arrive in dozens, they arrive in millions.Evolution is a ((((HOAX))). No proofs.

    See…how the believers are very careful with their words. Their words are perfect…(controlled by God).”

    so you block out what evidence you have to make your belief O.o? and by dozens, i simply meant that there is evidence..not literaly 12-24-36- ect fossils.

    and to the second part, there is no such thing as perfect, nothing can reach “perfection” as improvement is always possible, also, dont you find it sad that you are being controlled? much like a puppet would be controlled by its puppeteer?

  126. on 15 Feb 2013 at 11:42 am 126.Lou(DFW) said …

    120.Lesbain carwasher said …

    “athiests only believe in what has valid evidence.”

    No, that’s not what atheist means.

    Atheist is only an unnecessary label. It’s not a thing, philosophy, worldview, religion, lifestyle, etc. etc., etc.

    The label “atheist” has no more relevance than does aleprechaunist or aphilatelist.

    It’s ridiculous that people must be labeled for disbelief in something that doesn’t exist – such as imaginary god or imaginary leprechauns, or for not being a stamp collector.

    Think about how many adjectives would be required to describe and characterize every single thing in which we don’t believe, think about, or do.

    When a doctor diagnoses someone who has a disease or illness, does he list every single one that you DON’T have? No, of course not. He only tells you what your illness or disease is. It’s the same thing with being a theist. A label is not required for not being something, but only FOR being something.

  127. on 15 Feb 2013 at 11:46 am 127.Lou(DFW) said …

    117.s0l0m0n said …

    “Even without knowing the real identity of God…”

    There you have it – s0l0m0n doesn’t know the real identity of god. ‘Nuff said.

  128. on 15 Feb 2013 at 11:48 am 128.Lou(DFW) said …

    123.s0l0m0n said …

    …this and that about evolution and atheists, but he never, ever talks about his imaginary sky-daddy, well, except to say that he doesn’t know who he is.

  129. on 15 Feb 2013 at 12:44 pm 129.Ben said …

    “There you have it – s0l0m0n doesn’t know the real identity of god. ‘Nuff said.”

    Will u now get a life?

  130. on 15 Feb 2013 at 12:47 pm 130.Ben said …

    “athiests only believe in what has valid evidence.”

    Absolutely untrue. Macroevolution has next to zero proof yet they believe. Abiogenesis has next to zero proof but they believe.

    Ask to provide proof and you will get next to zero answers but it is their religion.

  131. on 15 Feb 2013 at 12:50 pm 131.Ben said …

    “you mean the dozens of fossil and preserved remains that show a transition of ape like beings to humans?”

    LC, This I got to see!!!!!! Could you provide me the sources to these dozens of transitional fossils?

  132. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:08 pm 132.alex said …

    “Macroevolution has next to zero proof yet they believe. Abiogenesis has next to zero proof but they believe.”

    wrong on both counts. atheist is not a religion. no bible, no beliefs, no political affiliation, no bullcrap. sure, some atheists are liberals, some believe in ufos, but that’s a side show.

    atheists don’t believe in your bs god, period. stop the nonsense.

  133. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:19 pm 133.s0l0m0n said …

    Bravo….!!!! Ben….Bravo….!!!

  134. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:23 pm 134.Lesbian carwasher said …

    Exactly, athiests are not in a religion, more so, its the lack of religion.

    And for the fossils?
    try google, ect

  135. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:25 pm 135.Lesbian carwasher said …

    And for the first cell thingy

    cells are made of atoms, so basic logic dictates that if by sheer luck, some atoms are stuck together, it makes a cell.

    makes more sense then god made everything and defied all logic and laws of chemistry, physics ect

  136. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:26 pm 136.s0l0m0n said …

    alex is out of argument as well as his other atheists friends.Looks like they are gettin’ shaky with what they belief. That’s a good sign.Don’t worry.You all are welcomed to the theists club.

  137. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:48 pm 137.Anonymous said …

    Um, LCW, Ben is another sock-puppet for Martin who has been declared persona non grata. Note how Ben pops up to continue to try to derail the thread now that his other identities have been embarrassed into silence.

    Please don’t encourage him in his diversions.

  138. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:50 pm 138.Lou(DFW) said …

    129.Has-Ben said …

    “Will u now get a life?”

    Yes, everybody, let’s all “get a life.”

    Step one – believe in imaginary god for which there is absolutely no evidence.

    Step two – go online to blogs and forums used for discussion about god and religion, but then argue about evolution, but not about your imaginary god delusion.

    Step three – lie about people who don’t share your delusion.

    Step four – then back-slap, fluff, and congratulate yourself using various aliases.

  139. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:53 pm 139.Lou(DFW) said …

    133.Lesbian carwasher said …

    “And for the fossils?”

    Would you please try to avoid arguments about fossils?

    They’re irrelevant to the subject.

  140. on 15 Feb 2013 at 1:55 pm 140.Lou(DFW) said …

    134.Lesbian carwasher said …

    “And for the first cell thingy”

    Ditto for “first cell thingy.”

    All of that is a diversion that theists here use to avoid facing the FACT that they don’t have any evidence for their imaginary god.

  141. on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:47 pm 141.Tracker said …

    Transitional fossils that show ape-like beings becoming man?
    Quoting Earthhistoy.org:

    “The evidence reviewed so far indicates (1) that there has always been a wide anatomical gap between apes and humans, notwithstanding that apes and humans have each been continually evolving, and (2) that the discontinuity corresponds with the appearance of Homo fossils around ‘2 million years ago’.”

    In other words, no fossil record exists.

  142. on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:49 pm 142.Anonymous said …

    On rationalizations, Pope Benedict XVI has been busy showing us the hypocrisy of religion plus showing us that he trusts science over prayer.

    When it suits him, he eschewed modern technology “Technological answers often seem the easiest, even to great human questions…”. Yet, it’s been revealed that not only did he secretly have a pacemaker, but he secretly had an operation to have the battery replaced a scant three months ago.

    So much for god’s plan; for his personal needs the Pope turned to modern technology. So much for prayer; rather than ask his sheeple to demonstrate the power of prayer, the pope plumps for the guaranteed answer – science.

    How do the faithful explain away the Pope’s actions?

  143. on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:50 pm 143.Suh said …

    There does not exist any fossil record supporting man’s ancestry of the great ape or any other ape-like creature. What does exist is some great drawings and vivid imaginations.

  144. on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:53 pm 144.Lesbian carwasher said …

    Another puppet i assume?

    Have we ever got any answers from the theists on this blog, lou? just wondering ;D

  145. on 15 Feb 2013 at 3:01 pm 145.A said …

    Anonymous has been declared persona non grata. He is a troll bent on controlling the conversation. Please do not engage his OCD on the Pope or his diversions on changing the subject from the topic at hand brought to us by the Carwasher.

    Carwasher, Thelma-Lou has made it quite we don’t care about your opinion, only about what you can prove. Where is you proof we evolved from some form of ape? We don’t want google cop-outs, if you believe you should be able to defend.

    Oh, Carwaher everyone on the site is a puppet. It is a grand scheme by 2 billion people to keep you off-guard. Now…..we have that cleared up, we can stop with that diversion.

  146. on 15 Feb 2013 at 3:08 pm 146.Anonymous said …

    Well, Lou and can answer for himself but most of the time when theists do answer, the sock-brigade descends and tries to drown out their responses with their favorite diversions: personal insults, origins, ethics, or evolution.

    If that fails “they” plainly tell the theists to post elsewhere using a variety of excuses. For example, that they won’t get treated fairly, that no-one will believe them, that they question has been answered and so on. Martin’s latest spin on that front was that this blog was “entertainment”.

    Go back and see for yourself. You can tell when a good point has been made as the horde descend intent on derailing the conversation.

  147. on 15 Feb 2013 at 3:12 pm 147.Anonymous said …

    LCW, oh I forgot to add that the other favorite diversion is aping the arguments that have been used to discredit them. :)

  148. on 15 Feb 2013 at 3:41 pm 148.Kyle said …

    You all keep arguing but are not saying anything. Here I have an answer for you all, I want you to open your mind and accept Jeasus as your lord and savior and watch how things change in your life, that is all the proof you need. Faith is what you need, Doubt is Satan’s tool.

  149. on 15 Feb 2013 at 3:54 pm 149.s0l0m0n said …

    “There does not exist any fossil record supporting man’s ancestry of the great ape or any other ape-like creature. What does exist is some great drawings and vivid imaginations.”

    and….

    ” Where is you proof we evolved from some form of ape? We don’t want google cop-outs, if you believe you should be able to defend.”

    (((((BRAVO))))) Suh….!!!

    (((((BRAVO))))) A….!!!

  150. on 15 Feb 2013 at 3:58 pm 150.s0l0m0n said …

    Kyle,

    I have to turn down your offer. Jesus is not God. He’s just a special man to God.

  151. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:19 pm 151.Kyle said …

    im sorry but i am not gonna listen to someone who thinks if they kill themselves and a bunch of people with them they get into heaven with 72 virgins… complete nonsense

  152. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:28 pm 152.Lou(DFW) said …

    151.Kyle said …

    “im sorry but i am not gonna listen to someone who thinks if they kill themselves and a bunch of people with them they get into heaven with 72 virgins… complete nonsense”

    I LOVE IT! The deluded are arguing about which of their delusions are not a delusion.

  153. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:33 pm 153.Kyle said …

    No not arguing but you however are an ignorent person who feeds on drama like a female

  154. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:38 pm 154.Lou(DFW) said …

    145.ASS said …

    “Please do not engage his OCD on the Pope or his diversions on changing the subject from the topic at hand…”

    Right, let’s don’t discuss the pope, the leader of one of the largest religions in the world. Instead, let’s argue about science on a blog that’s about imaginary god and religion. In that way the theists here can avoid defending the fact that there’s absolutely no evidence for their imaginary god.

    “…brought to us by the Carwasher.”

    Show us, liar.

  155. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:39 pm 155.Lou(DFW) said …

    153.Kyle said …

    “No not arguing but you however are an ignorent person who feeds on drama like a female”

    Says somebody who, in effect, says capt kirk is a better capt than picard.

  156. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:45 pm 156.Kyle said …

    you can not even mention cathlics because they are even more diluded than athiests they go completely against the book they preach from

  157. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:47 pm 157.Kyle said …

    lol fuck yeah captin kirk is better he makes captin piccard look like a neardy pussy

  158. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:49 pm 158.Lou(DFW) said …

    150.s0l0m0n said …

    “Jesus is not God. He’s just a special man to God.”

    He’s special to your imaginary god, but not to you?

  159. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:51 pm 159.Kyle said …

    what so now you go back to someone else your not only a drama queen now your a quitter

  160. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:52 pm 160.Lou(DFW) said …

    156.Kyle said …

    “you can not even mention cathlics because they are even more diluded than athiests they go completely against the book they preach from”

    First, please explain how “athiests” are “diluded.”

    Next, you are confusing hypocrisy with delusion.

  161. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:56 pm 161.Curmudgeon said …

    Kyle,

    That was hilarious. I never considered Lou might be female.

  162. on 15 Feb 2013 at 4:56 pm 162.Lou(DFW) said …

    159.Kyle said …

    “what so now you go back to someone else your not only a drama queen now your a quitter”

    There’s not much left to say about you and your delusion. You very clearly demonstrated all that can be said about you.

  163. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:02 pm 163.Kyle said …

    Atiests are deluded because they actually think they are in control of their lives and will kick and scream till they are blue in the face trying to prove it. And my responses are strong and yours are weak enjoy hell loser

  164. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:03 pm 164.Kyle said …

    Why dont you copy and paste this too you little bitch

  165. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:04 pm 165.Kyle said …

    Lou(DFW) said…
    Waaaaaaaaaaaah Mommy someone called me a bitch online WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

  166. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:09 pm 166.Kyle said …

    Let me ask you Lou what do you do for a living

  167. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:14 pm 167.Kyle said …

    Do you have a good homelife?

  168. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:17 pm 168.Lou(DFW) said …

    163.Kyle said …

    “Atiests are deluded because they actually think they are in control of their lives…”

    Why do you think that? Disbelief in imaginary god neither means nor implies any such thing.

  169. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:18 pm 169.Lou(DFW) said …

    166.Kyle said …

    “Let me ask you Lou what do you do for a living”

    OK, you have my permission. Please proceed.

  170. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:23 pm 170.Kyle said …

    Do you have schizophrenia because now you are making no sense at all

  171. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:30 pm 171.Kyle said …

    come on man im just looking for a valid point i am a logical person just say something that shows me you have a glimmer of intelligence

  172. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:31 pm 172.Lou(DFW) said …

    161.Crum said …

    “I never considered Lou might be female.”

    I never considered that you might be a man. Seeing that we’re on a blog to discuss imaginary god and religion, a real man would answer questions about his imaginary god. You obviously aren’t capable of that.

  173. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:33 pm 173.Lou(DFW) said …

    171.Kyle said …

    “come on man im just looking for a valid point i am a logical person just say something that shows me you have a glimmer of intelligence”

    No, you demonstrated that you’re no such thing, and that you’re most likely just another hit & run troll.

  174. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:35 pm 174.Kyle said …

    still waiting

  175. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:37 pm 175.Lou(DFW) said …

    174.Kyle said …

    “still waiting”

    Good for you. You made a comment about which I replied

    “Why do you think that? Disbelief in imaginary god neither means nor implies any such thing.”

    Do you want to discuss it or not?

  176. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:37 pm 176.Kyle said …

    im 6’1 deffinatly not a troll and your the one who keeps dodging and avoiding

  177. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:39 pm 177.Kyle said …

    see i want to answer your questions but i can not understand you if anybody else does please explain what he is asking me

  178. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:39 pm 178.Kyle said …

    or she … or it…

  179. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:42 pm 179.Lou(DFW) said …

    Kyle, when you grow-up, then please come back.

  180. on 15 Feb 2013 at 5:47 pm 180.Kyle said …

    see how a normal person would phase that is Kyle, please come back when you grow up, or Kyle, grow up, then please come back, or are you still in school and have yet to learn grammer

  181. on 15 Feb 2013 at 6:25 pm 181.s0l0m0n said …

    Actually atheists have lost all arguments. They can’t answer theists doctrine questions but goes on nagging for the not so relevant subjects as what is the identity of the true God or for evidence of a God, just to kill time and to look as if they are still in control of the argument. Their tactics are busted.

  182. on 15 Feb 2013 at 6:28 pm 182.MattD said …

    He fails to see that the entire Bible is myth. You cannot “form a relationship” with a mythological being. It is embarrassing to think about this man, and billions like him, having their “realtionships” with their imaginary friends. How can adults behave in such a ridiculous way?

    It’s embarrassing all right. One barely has to look beyond this blog to see that.

  183. on 15 Feb 2013 at 6:42 pm 183.Kyle said …

    nothing… no comeback… very weak

  184. on 15 Feb 2013 at 7:01 pm 184.Kyle said …

    i would like the creator of this site to engage me, please.

  185. on 15 Feb 2013 at 7:18 pm 185.Anonymous said …

    Kyle, you’ve said or implied that Solomon’s belief’s are delusional, that Catholics are delusional, but what you haven’t done is tell us what you believe and why we should believe you. Why is that?

    Let’s start there. Which denomination of Christianity do you subscribe to and, tell us, how do you know that your choice is correct and not delusional as per all the others?

    If you want a serious debate, and you’re willing to ignore the trolls who will absolutely try to stop you answering, that’s where we should start. Over to you.

  186. on 15 Feb 2013 at 7:35 pm 186.The messenger said …

    on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:23 am 7.The messenger said …
    My family, genesis 1 states how God constructed the Earth.
    Genesis 2, states what life forms God put on the Earth.
    These are not two different stories, as Brother Thomas idiotically states. They are both parts of the same stories.
    Stop listening to our mentally misguided brother Thomas, and start listening to the truth. ,

  187. on 15 Feb 2013 at 7:58 pm 187.A said …

    Kyle

    Thelma-Lou claims he owns a business. Seriously, that is his claim.

    Whadda ya think? Sound possible?

    Please do not engage Anonymous. He has been banned from the site for diversions and cowardice.

    Thanks in advance.

  188. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:00 pm 188.A said …

    Kyle,

    Just a warning. You will be called a troll and you will be called a sock by all the atheists here.

    Enjoying your posts, keep it up.

  189. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:23 pm 189.Kyle said …

    Thank you. alright to start off i dont really know anything about demoninations, but i can tell you what I believe. I belive that God sent down his only son to have him die for our sins because by nature we are sinners. I believe acceptance that Jesus is our lord and savior is all we need to get into Heaven. And I know that this is true because of how Jesus has worked in my life. Scientists could debate until the end of time however the theory of god will never be proven or disproven because it states in The Bible that even when miricles were preformed there were still doubts and God got mad because people would only belive what they could see with their eyes, so he stoped preforming those types of miricles and made us rely on faith in Jesus and Himself. If you truly do this with your whole heart and soul you will feel Jesus and our father God in your life. And I know for a fact that this is no bull because of the morals, values, lessons, and stories. I also see how this whole site is based on how can God do this how can God say this but his thinking is not even simular to the way we think and everything that happens, happens for a reason wether we can see why or not. and pretty much every argument you have is answered in The Bible you just have to look.

  190. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:32 pm 190.Kyle said …

    What aree you talking about A Lou could have his own buiseness you know one of those businesses that you post a bunch of stuff on networking sites and sites like craigslist to try and trick people into trying the same thing… lol and thanks for the heads up but I dont care what people call me I just want someone to have the oppertunnity to feel the joy that only God and his son can bring to our lifes.

  191. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:32 pm 191.Lou(DFW) said …

    184.ASS said, without mentioning a thing about god and religion …

    “Thelma-Lou claims he owns a business. Seriously, that is his claim.

    Whadda ya think? Sound possible?”

    10.ASS said …

    “Anony the Mouse roars in whining and complaining about a a poster, again, rather than content.”

    11.Lou(DFW) said …

    If there’s anyone who’s a expert on that, then it’s most definitely you.

  192. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:33 pm 192.Lou(DFW) said …

    185.ASS said …

    “Kyle,

    Enjoying your posts, keep it up.”

    Especially this gem, right, ASS?

    “176.Kyle said …

    im 6?1 ”

    Try to stay calm, ASS.

  193. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:35 pm 193.Kyle said …

    Really Lou are you good for anything else than copying, pasting, and making absolutly no sense?

  194. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:38 pm 194.Lou(DFW) said …

    187.Kyle said …

    “I dont care what people call me I just want someone to have the oppertunnity to feel the joy that only God and his son can bring to our lifes.”

    I don’t care in which imaginary god and related nonsense you believe, but about for which imaginary god and religion you can provide evidence. Where is it?

    Regardless, we all have the opportunity, but why must you delusional xtians be in our face about it? Isn’t suckling at the government tit enough for you?

  195. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:39 pm 195.Kyle said …

    Oh and as far as Anonymous i will engage him as long as he makes sense

  196. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:40 pm 196.Lou(DFW) said …

    184.ASS said …

    “Thelma-Lou claims he owns a business. Seriously, that is his claim.

    Whadda ya think? Sound possible?”

    ASS claims that he is an “Astrophysicist?” Seriously, that is his claim.

    Whadda ya think? Sound possible?

  197. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:43 pm 197.Kyle said …

    On the contrary i think it is people like you Lou who voted for Obama that are suckling at the governments teet

  198. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:45 pm 198.Anonymous said …

    Thank you Kyle.

    Now, help us understand this a little better. You’ve rejected Solomon’s version which is based on his holy book. You rejected Catholicism even though Catholics insist that their interpretation is correct.

    Your reasoning, and correct me if I misunderstand, is (mostly?) because of how Jesus has operated in your life. Correct?

    What is missing is how you can reject other religions when they use exactly the same arguments that you do. i.e. their holy book says…. and that their (different) god has proven themselves in their life. They are as certain that they are right as you are that they are wrong.

    Finally. You seem to know how your god thinks. How can you know this?

    Help us. From the outside looking in, you give the same arguments as the people you would claim as delusional. There’s no difference and you both can’t be correct – you’ve said those others are delusional. How do you explain this to us. How can anyone know that your version is correct – remember, you doubt the other versions. The difference here is that we also doubt you.

    What did Jesus do in your life that isn’t explainable by coincidence or by a naturalistic explanation?

  199. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:48 pm 199.Lou(DFW) said …

    194.Kyle said …

    “On the contrary i think it is people like you Lou who voted for Obama that are suckling at the governments teet”

    It doesn’t matter what you “think.”

    And you didn’t answer my question in my comment. You claim to want to discuss, here, but apparently, you’re just like all the other theists here.

    Regardless, we all have the opportunity, but why must you delusional xtians be in our face about it? Isn’t suckling at the government tit enough for you?

  200. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:52 pm 200.Lou(DFW) said …

    192.Kyle said …

    “Oh and as far as Anonymous i will engage him as long as he makes sense”

    Makes sense? According to you?

    Let’s see, people who believe in imaginary gods other than yours, and who don’t believe in any imaginary god, are delusional. But people who believe in YOUR imaginary god are not delusional. Do I correctly understand you?

  201. on 15 Feb 2013 at 8:57 pm 201.Kyle said …

    Thanks again for you argument and yes it is how he has acted in my life but also because it is the most logical explaination. I also Have an understanding of how he thinks but not fully it is impossible for our brains to comprehend those types of things like how god came into existance. Even if there was no God how did we come into existance there had to be something there before it all

  202. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:01 pm 202.Kyle said …

    Okay to answer your question Lou about why we have to be all in your face about it is because no matter our feelings about people everyone deserves to know Jesus and to enjoy everlasting life in Heaven and not Hell, but everyone has free will so you can do whatever you want with it that is Gods gift to us

  203. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:02 pm 203.A said …

    Kyle,

    First you have Anony Mouse who wants to know all about your belief then you have Thelma-lou who whines about being in his face with your beliefs. I think these fellas are schizophrenic. They don’t know what they want.

    I guess sucking off the government teet will do that to you.

    Have a good weekend Kyle.

  204. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:03 pm 204.Lou (DFW) said …

    198.Kyle said …

    “Thanks again for you argument and yes it is how he has acted in my life but also because it is the most logical explaination.”

    You don’t seem to get it. There’s NOTHING anymore logical about your claim about YOUR religion than there is for millions of others who have THE EXACT SAME CLAIM FOR THEIRS.

    And let’s pile a huge, heaping, steaming pile of b.s. onto your claim: “I also Have an understanding of how he thinks…”

    Finally, there’s the usual theist argument from ignorance: “Even if there was no God how did we come into existance there had to be something there before it all”

  205. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:06 pm 205.Lou (DFW) said …

    200.ASS said …

    “I think these fellas are schizophrenic.”

    What you “think,” as usual, is irrelevant.

    “They don’t know what they want.”

    If you don’t, then you are one dense s.o.b.

    How many times have we told you? We want to see your evidence for your imaginary god. But you NEVER, EVER provide it.

  206. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:09 pm 206.Lou (DFW) said …

    199.Kyle said …

    “because no matter our feelings about people everyone deserves to know Jesus and to enjoy everlasting life in Heaven and not Hell…”

    Then can the Muslims be in our face about it, too? Can they print “In Allah We Trust” on our money? Can they insert “one nation, under Allah” in the US Pledge Of Allegiance? Do you need more examples?

  207. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:09 pm 207.Kyle said …

    Man Lou trying to understand you is mind numbing have you ever heard from anyone else that you make no sense? But anyway if I do understand you correctly is look at every aspect in life and then read the different types of religions and dont just read them try to understand them and choose for yourself then come to me with your reasoning

  208. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:11 pm 208.Kyle said …

    Good point… kinda but In God We Trust was written on our currency and look at how our nation was and is the most prosperous because it was founded on God

  209. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:12 pm 209.Kyle said …

    And how it is the biggest religion all across the world

  210. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:13 pm 210.Lou(DFW) said …

    204.Kyle said …

    “Man Lou trying to understand you is mind numbing…try to understand them and choose for yourself then come to me with your reasoning”

    Translation: “i would like the creator of this site to engage me, please.” But when I am engaged, and my comments are exposed for the lunacy that they are, then I’m taking my ball and going home.

  211. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:19 pm 211.Kyle said …

    Sorry Lou wrong again I am still here and am logically answering all questions the best that I can and you still have not answered a single question I have asked you. Try pulling the log out of your eye before trying to pull the splinter out of your brothers.

  212. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:21 pm 212.Kyle said …

    Does anyone else understand me or am i just talking to a wall

  213. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:26 pm 213.Lou(DFW) said …

    208.Kyle said …

    “you still have not answered a single question I have asked you.”

    Show me a question of yours that I did not answer.

  214. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:28 pm 214.Lou(DFW) said …

    206.Kyle said …

    “And how it is the biggest religion all across the world”

    The majority of the people in the world are not xtians.

  215. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:32 pm 215.Lou(DFW) said …

    205.Kyle said …

    “look at how our nation was and is the most prosperous …”

    First of all, the United States isn’t even among the ten most prosperous countries in the world.

    “…because it was founded on God”

    The USA was “founded on” The Declaration of Independence. Please show us wherein xtian God, Jesus or xtianity is mentioned. Or do you not claim that the god as in “In God We Trust” is not “your” god?

  216. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:32 pm 216.Kyle said …

    Let me ask you Lou what do you do for a living

    Do you have a good homelife?

    Do you have schizophrenia

    are you still in school and have yet to learn grammer

    Lou are you good for anything else than copying, pasting, and making absolutly no sense?

    have you ever heard from anyone else that you make no sense?

  217. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:35 pm 217.Kyle said …

    Its like you were born with a mental disabillity Lou because you have no logic or you would have understood at least some of my answers and it is near impossible to understand what you are talking about

  218. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:41 pm 218.Lou(DFW) said …

    213.Kyle said …

    LOL! Those insults are your questions?! Yes, you really want to engage in an honest discussion, don’t you?

    “Let me ask you Lou what do you do for a living”

    None of you business and irrelevant to the discussion.

    “Do you have a good homelife?”

    Yes, it’s excellent.

    “Do you have schizophrenia”

    No.

    “are you still in school and have yet to learn grammer”

    I have a BBA, and my grasp of grammar at least far exceeds yours in every way.

    “Lou are you good for anything else than copying, pasting, and making absolutly no sense?”

    Define “good for?”

    “have you ever heard from anyone else that you make no sense?”

    No.

    What else do you want to know, my favorite color?

  219. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:41 pm 219.Kyle said …

    If thats the case Lou why dont you try living in another country and see how much freedom you have and do some research this country was founded on god

  220. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:42 pm 220.Kyle said …

    you are a very funny ignorent person Lou. Okay let me ask you this what do you belive

  221. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:47 pm 221.Lou(DFW) said …

    216.Kyle said …

    “If thats the case Lou why dont you try living in another country and see how much freedom you have and do some research this country was founded on god”

    If what’s the case?

    You didn’t answer: Please show us wherein xtian God, Jesus or xtianity is mentioned.

    Why not?

  222. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:49 pm 222.Lou(DFW) said …

    217.Kyle said …

    “you are a very funny ignorent person Lou.”

    You really are a piece of work. No wonder ASS sided with you.

    “Okay let me ask you this what do you belive”

    About what?

  223. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:59 pm 223.DPK said …

    217.Kyle said …

    blah, blah, blah…….. and nothing even close to relevant.

    Is it a full moon, or have the budget cuts hit the mental hospital’s funding or something?

  224. on 15 Feb 2013 at 9:59 pm 224.Kyle said …

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME LOU!!!!! I am not commenting again till someone else jumps on this I don’t even care who.

  225. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:06 pm 225.Anonymous said …

    Kyle, perhaps I missed it, but it’s still not clear on what basis you reject other religions when they use the same arguments to defend your beliefs as you do. Perhaps not intentionally, but you seem to be dancing around that point.

    So, again, if the beliefs of Solomon and the Catholics are delusional, and they use the same form of argument as you, why are you right and they are wrong?

    Also, please share with us the non-coincidental non-naturalistic events in your life that you attribute to your faith.

    You’ve said your beliefs are logical but what is this logic? Please explain how we can differentiate your argument from that of, for example, Solomon.

  226. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:07 pm 226.Lou (DFW) said …

    220.DPK said …

    “[H]ave the budget cuts hit the mental hospital’s funding or something?”

    Unfortunately, you’re sadly correct.

    Let’s hope that Kyle doesn’t own a gun.

  227. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:09 pm 227.Lou (DFW) said …

    222.Anonymous said …

    “Kyle, perhaps I missed it…”

    No, you didn’t.

    “[Y]ou seem to be dancing around that point.”

    Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?

  228. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:10 pm 228.Lou (DFW) said …

    Does anyone here recognize “Kyle?”

  229. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:11 pm 229.Martin said …

    “About what?”

    How about how life formed? Let’s see what he comes up with Kyle. No God then he has some explaining to do.

  230. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:13 pm 230.Martin said …

    Kyle,

    You have Lou bringing out his DPK persona. He does that when under pressure.

  231. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:16 pm 231.Lou (DFW) said …

    226.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …

    “About what?”

    “How about how life formed?”

    What I believe about how life formed is irrelevant to any conversation on this blog. But to make it simple for you, my belief is that I don’t know.

  232. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:20 pm 232.Lou (DFW) said …

    227.Martin said …

    “You have Lou bringing out his DPK persona.”

    Just as with all your other claims, you don’t have any actual of evidence for that. And isn’t it unusual how you and ASS both suddenly slither out from under your rocks to support “Kyle?”

    Oh yea, there’s also that time you were busted for posting as Mitch – that spotlights you as the hypocritical oaf that you are.

  233. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:31 pm 233.Lou(DFW) said …

    194.Kyle said …

    “…voted for Obama that are suckling at the governments teet”

    It’s curious that you mention CHRISTIAN Obama, presumably as insult towards me, implying that you don’t support him. Can we assume that you instead supported his MORMON opponent?

  234. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:32 pm 234.Martin said …

    Actually how life came about is the central question for all belief systems. If you cannot come to a plausible explanation on that question then you have no solid grounding for any belief.

    When you can work through that one, you will be allowed to ask others for their proof about God. Not until then since you do not intend on ever actually providing what you expect everyone else to provide.

    I told you my name is Martin Mitchell, get over you childish sock game. Content is important, not a handle.

  235. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:39 pm 235.Lou(DFW) said …

    221.Kyle said …

    “I am not commenting again till someone else jumps on this I don’t even care who.”

    Translation: I DEMAND that you answer my insulting, rhetorical, off-topic questions, but I won’t reply to your rebuttals to my false claims nor will I answer any direct questions about my delusional beliefs except to the extent that it serves to promote my agenda of forcing upon you “the joy that only God and his son can bring to our lifes.”

  236. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:49 pm 236.Lou(DFW) said …

    231.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …

    “Actually how life came about is the central question for all belief systems.”

    Actually, it isn’t.

    “If you cannot come to a plausible explanation on that question then you have no solid grounding for any belief.”

    PERFECT! Then please present one! We asked over and over for your ilk to do that! Also, you are greatly confused about the necessity of an alleged “belief system.”

    “I told you my name is Martin Mitchell, get over you childish sock game.”

    First, of all, it doesn’t change the fact that you were posting under different names, and that you didn’t admit it until you were busted.

    Second, I’m telling you that I and DPK are not the same persons.

    231.Martin said …

    “When you can work through that one, you will be allowed to ask others for their proof about God.”

    LOL! You were beaten to the punch. Can’t you ever present an original idea? Or do you not understand “persona non grata?”

    23.DPK said …

    Martin, you are “persona non grata”. You don’t get to ask questions, because you have demonstrated amply that you are unwilling to engage in honest debate.

    A person who refuses to answer questions asked directly of him has no right to come here and demand answers of anyone.

    You are blackballed for being the obvious troll that you are.

    No go away, or we shall taunt you further.

  237. on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:54 pm 237.Lou(DFW) said …

    231.Before ASS/Mitch/Martin said …

    “get over you childish sock game.”

    227.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …

    “You have Lou bringing out his DPK persona. He does that when under pressure.”

  238. on 16 Feb 2013 at 1:58 am 238.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    hello, lesbian carwasher here

    Are the theists actualy that dishonest that all they do is derail?

  239. on 16 Feb 2013 at 3:01 am 239.s0l0m0n said …

    Why does that car exist?
    There’s a builder/creator.
    Why does everthing exist?
    There’s a builder/creator.
    There’s a necessity for a creator.
    The greatest creator is God.
    Therefore God must exist.
    Simple reasoning.
    Refute this atheists.

  240. on 16 Feb 2013 at 3:41 am 240.DPK said …

    on 15 Feb 2013 at 10:32 pm 234.Martin said …
    “Actually how life came about is the central question for all belief systems. If you cannot come to a plausible explanation on that question then you have no solid grounding for any belief.”

    Really Martin? Unless you can explain the exact process by which life originated then you have NO SOLID GROUNDING FOR ANY BELIEF?
    Did you seriously just say that?

    Ok… Sincevi assume you think your beliefs are soldly grounded, we can’t wait for you to explain to us all, exactly how life originated.
    This should be truly groundbreaking.
    Now, since you obviously can’t do that, are you going to stand by your statement and admit that your beliefs are ungrounded, or will you run away again.
    Here is a news flash for you Martin. I do not know how life originated on this world.
    Neither do you. The fact that science can say, “it is not fully understood” does not then default to “then god must have done it by magic.”
    If you want some evidence to support this simple fact, simply look at history and the long, long list of things not understood that were once attributed to gods, but later were discovered to have natural, not supernatural, explanations. Biogenesis is simply Custer’s last stand for you backwards idiots.

  241. on 16 Feb 2013 at 4:19 am 241.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    Can i ask how jesus walked on water, turned water into wine and came back to life?

  242. on 16 Feb 2013 at 5:07 am 242.DPK said …

    He did it the same way Santa gets to every child’s house in the entire world in one night, and carries presents for every single good child in the world in a slender smaller than a VW beetle.

  243. on 16 Feb 2013 at 5:36 am 243.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    sounds legit

  244. on 16 Feb 2013 at 5:37 am 244.Lou(DFW) said …

    239.s0l0m0n said …

    “Why does everthing exist?

    There’s a builder/creator.”

    If humans are the “builder/creator” of cars, and humans require a “builder/creator” that is your imaginary god that you are afraid to specify for us, then why doesn’t your imaginary god require a “builder/creator?”

    And if your imaginary god exists, and it is a part of “everything,” and “everything” exists because “There’s a builder/creator,” then who or what is the “builder/creator” of your imaginary god?

  245. on 16 Feb 2013 at 7:22 am 245.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    TACTICAL DIVERSION INBOUND!!!1!!111!

    although…i wish we would get an answer

  246. on 16 Feb 2013 at 8:31 am 246.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW),

    “then why doesn’t your imaginary god require a “builder/creator?”

    You are purely dumb. How many times do I have to stress, God=nothing.Tell me, how can nothing be created.

    “then who or what is the “builder/creator” of your imaginary god?”

    Similar question.Silly.

  247. on 16 Feb 2013 at 8:33 am 247.s0l0m0n said …

    …..sorry I left out something….

    Whaaaa….ka…ka…ka….

  248. on 16 Feb 2013 at 1:31 pm 248.alex said …

    s0l, getting more sheep?

  249. on 16 Feb 2013 at 1:36 pm 249.DPK said …

    This is called “When I can’t answer, I just make shit up.”
    Solomon… tell us, if god = nothing, how dois god then interact with the world? How does he listen to your prayers, judge you, and design things?
    Let’s follow your own convoluted logic:
    Cars exist… they need humans to make them.
    Humans exists…. they need gods to create them.
    Gods exists…..

    Fill in the blank.
    If you can accept the idea that god was not created, why can you not accept the possibility that the universe was not created? After all, the univers is undeniably here. The same cannot be said for your imaginary god.

    And by the way, you have forgotten one simple fact, the universe was not created by your god because I already told you (((FOR-GETTER))) that the universe was created by an inter dimensional sea turtle. The universe cannot have 2 creators, and the sea turtle is equivalent to (((everything))), so your god does not exist.
    Refute that.

  250. on 16 Feb 2013 at 1:37 pm 250.DPK said …

    and I almost forgot:
    yuk, yuk yuk…………

  251. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:00 pm 251.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    You’re a lousy critical thinker. Your brains & heart is only full of ((((SHIT)))).

    ” “When I can’t answer, I just make shit up.”

    If I made shit up, you might easily refute it. But you can’t.

    “If you can accept the idea that god was not created, why can you not accept the possibility that the universe was not created?”

    There is no possibility the universe was not created because the universe is something or a ‘thing’.
    My words are perfect. You can’t refute it.

    yuk…..yuk….yuk…yuk…

    damn!!

    Whaaaaa…ka…ka…ka….

  252. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:04 pm 252.s0l0m0n said …

    My words are doctrines. However you twist, you can’t refute it.

  253. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:08 pm 253.Lou(DFW) said …

    246.s0l0m0n said …

    “How many times do I have to stress, God=nothing. Tell me, how can nothing be created.”

    If god=nothing created the universe, then the universe requires nothing to create it. Thank you for admitting that.

    Why didn’t you simply say so in the first place?

  254. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:08 pm 254.s0l0m0n said …

    Xcanthean Zeno,

    Dare to refute?

  255. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:23 pm 255.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    “Solomon… tell us, if god = nothing, how dois god then interact with the world? How does he listen to your prayers, judge you, and design things?”

    Ok…thats more humane…

    God interact with the world thru his messengers and thru the true book.He can listen to everything, even if you speak with your heart.He might or might not answer your prayers.He judge you by your effort in obeying or not obeying his rules.And he simply design things by just saying “be it” and there it is.

    See…its simple & straight forward & it’s true and can never be refuted.

    Get back to the one and only true God almighty.And it is not Jesus or any other ‘gods’.

  256. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:40 pm 256.Martin said …

    “If god=nothing created the universe, then the universe requires nothing to create it. Thank you for admitting that.”

    So you accept this without proof but not God? Prove it.

  257. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:48 pm 257.Martin said …

    On a side note on nothing, read Krauss’ book “A universe from nothing”. It is one of the funniest books attempting to be serious science. “Nothing is not really nothing” and “Nothing does not really mean `nothing,” are riddled throughout the book. It is obvious his main goal is to attack religion rather than discuss real science.

    Funny, he spent no time on Santa, elves, FSM or other tired diversions atheist here like to equivocate with God. Could be he is more than just a non-believer.

  258. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:51 pm 258.alex said …

    “on a side note” => non grata?

  259. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:56 pm 259.s0l0m0n said …

    Martin,

    “If god=nothing created the universe, then the universe requires nothing to create it. Thank you for admitting that.”

    eeemmmm..clever….

    Hear this…

    No….the universe still requires God to create it. Even if he=nothing but he still exists & still can create.Because nothing is also= to God.

    Whaaaa….ka….ka…ka….
    You wan’t to play mathematics with me?
    Whaaaaaa….ka….ka…ka…
    Do come some other time Martin….

  260. on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:57 pm 260.Anonymous said …

    Alex, re Martin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_non_grata#Non-diplomatic_usage

    In other words, “don’t feed the troll”.

  261. on 16 Feb 2013 at 3:01 pm 261.Anonymous said …

    252.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …

    “So you accept this without proof but not God? Prove it.”

    You are an idiot with a reading comprehension problem.

    Show me where I “accepted” his statement. I only thanked him for ADMITTING that the universe requires nothing to create it. I didn’t write that I “accept” that it’s true or that I agree with it. I don’t “accept” that the universe either requires a creator or that it doesn’t. I only ACCEPT that you and your fellow morons haven’t provided any evidence for your imaginary god creator – that is FACT.

    When are you morons ever going to understand that your stupid arguments about origins are irrelevant to the discussion about god and religion? That is, unless you can provide any evidence for the claim that your imaginary god created anything.

    Can you or can you not? Until you can, then you remain persona non grata. So, back into hiding you go.

  262. on 16 Feb 2013 at 3:02 pm 262.Lou (DFW) said …

    255.Anonymous said … was Lou(DFW)

  263. on 16 Feb 2013 at 3:04 pm 263.Lou (DFW) said …

    253.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …

    “On a side note on nothing…”

    He again writes about “nothing” that’s in anyway related to imaginary god nor religion. OCD…

  264. on 16 Feb 2013 at 3:11 pm 264.s0l0m0n said …

    Sorry Martin,

    Its a terrible mistake.

    I take back my post 255. I thought you were referring your post 252 to me.

    So I now refer my post 255 to Lou(DFW) instead.

    Pheeeewwww…..

  265. on 16 Feb 2013 at 3:13 pm 265.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    that epic moment when S0l0m0n says god is nothing…
    And still says that he is something…

  266. on 16 Feb 2013 at 4:19 pm 266.s0l0m0n said …

    Xcanthean Zeno,

    “that epic moment when S0l0m0n says god is nothing…
    And still says that he is something…”

    Those are your words…not mine…

  267. on 16 Feb 2013 at 5:08 pm 267.DPK said …

    on 16 Feb 2013 at 2:48 pm 253.Martin said …
    On a side note on nothing, read Krauss’ book “A universe from nothing”. It is one of the funniest books attempting to be serious science. ”

    Well, I looked up Lawrence Krauss’ credentials, so I’m confused… Why would I take your word on the validity of his science, over his? He is, after all, a highly educated, well respected, and world renown scientist, and you are a nut job religious crank who denies the fact of evolution and thinks there is an invisible man who lives in the sky who listens to your thoughts and is going to reward you with an eternal life in a magical kingdom because ou love him. Now THAT is funny. You, apparently, do not know what “funny” actually means.

  268. on 16 Feb 2013 at 5:15 pm 268.Anonymous said …

    On a point of order. As Persona Non Grata, we should simply be ignoring Martin or pointing out his status. The act of repeating his arguments grants him the attention he desires but does not deserve.

    Cue the sock-puppets to copy and misapply this comment by way of their standard trolling responses.

  269. on 16 Feb 2013 at 5:37 pm 269.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    DPK

    he also believes he will get virgins if he kills people…sooooooo….yeah….

  270. on 16 Feb 2013 at 6:48 pm 270.DPK said …

    on 16 Feb 2013 at 5:37 pm 261.Xcanthean Zeno said …
    DPK
    he also believes he will get virgins if he kills people…sooooooo….yeah….

    That’s Solomon. You’re getting the delusions mixed up.

    And, I stand corrected, although I was actually only making an observation about the silliness of martins post, rather than actually engaging him in anything that would be considered a discussion.
    Does his non-gratis status mean we can’t even laugh at him? I hope not!

  271. on 16 Feb 2013 at 8:36 pm 271.A said …

    “It is one of the funniest books attempting to be serious science.”

    I’ll do you one funnier. Listen to Krauss debate William Lane Craig. Krauss was a scientist but no longer. His hatred of religion blinds his ability to think rationally any longer.

    Sock puppets, no need to comment. I have slapped a persona non grata on each of your personas until you have something you can defend.

  272. on 16 Feb 2013 at 8:45 pm 272.alex said …

    let’s review. who’s on the non grata list?

  273. on 16 Feb 2013 at 11:34 pm 273.Lou (DFW) said …

    268.Anonymous said …

    “As Persona Non Grata, we should simply be ignoring Martin or pointing out his status.”

    I agree. But I had to correct his blatant misrepresentation of my comment.

  274. on 16 Feb 2013 at 11:41 pm 274.Lou (DFW) said …

    259.s0l0m0n said …

    “No….the universe still requires God to create it. Even if he=nothing but he still exists & still can create.Because nothing is also= to God.”

    LOL! When you’re in a hole, then stop digging.

    You distinctly wrote that god=nothing, and that god created the universe. Therefore, according to YOU, the universe was created by nothing. Thanks for playing.

  275. on 16 Feb 2013 at 11:55 pm 275.Lou (DFW) said …

    267.DPK said …

    “You, apparently, do not know what “funny” actually means.”

    Apparently he does not understand the meanings of neither admit nor accept.

    Oh yes, now that you designated him as persona non grata, he did it to you! Do you ever get the feeling that we’re dealing with a playground twit?

  276. on 17 Feb 2013 at 12:01 am 276.Lou (DFW) said …

    271.ASS said …

    “I have slapped a persona non grata on each of your personas until you have something you can defend.”

    Poor ASS is so confused.

    Attention theists! Atheists aren’t here to defend disbelief on your imaginary god, imaginary god-given moral code, nor imaginary creation tales.

    It is YOU who present and claim them. Therefore, the onus is upon you to defend them. Don’t be so confused like ASS so as to humiliate yourself as he does.

  277. on 17 Feb 2013 at 12:22 am 277.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou (DFW),

    “Therefore, according to YOU, the universe was created by nothing. Thanks for playing.”

    God=nothing.

    Mathematically nothing is also=God.

    Therefore, according to ME, the universe was created by God. Thanks for listening.

    Whaaaa….ka…ka…ka….

  278. on 17 Feb 2013 at 12:50 am 278.Anonymous said …

    “I have slapped a persona non grata on each of your personas until you have something you can defend.”

    Which is almost as functionally illiterate as

    “Please do not engage Anonymous. He has been banned from the site for diversions and cowardice”.

    Banned people commenting. Yay. Zombies!

  279. on 17 Feb 2013 at 1:16 am 279.alex said …

    is s0l non gratis? he’s getting the sheep again.

  280. on 17 Feb 2013 at 3:10 am 280.s0l0m0n said …

    My words originates from God.
    They are doctrines.
    ‘No one’ can ever refute it.

  281. on 17 Feb 2013 at 4:16 am 281.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    solomon said:
    God=nothing.

    Mathematically nothing is also=God.

    so god equals nothing?
    why didnt you say you were an athiest 9_9.

  282. on 17 Feb 2013 at 5:06 am 282.s0l0m0n said …

    Xcanthean Zeno,

    “so god equals nothing?
    why didnt you say you were an athiest 9_9.”

    No….Xcanthean, I’am cannot say I’am an atheists coz’ nothing is also equals to God!

    Whaaaaa….ka…ka…ka….

    You’re gettin’ nowhere atheists.

    Whaaaa….ka…ka…ka….

    ((((((CONDEMNED FOOLS)))))))))

  283. on 17 Feb 2013 at 5:13 am 283.s0l0m0n said …

    sorry……

    ……I cannot say I’am an atheists…..

  284. on 17 Feb 2013 at 5:55 am 284.s0l0m0n said …

    Now the atheists are gettin’ confused.
    Well….that’s a good sign.
    None of them now dare to argue with my doctrines.
    I guess they have silently raise their white flag..

  285. on 17 Feb 2013 at 8:42 am 285.Severin said …

    #148
    “Here I have an answer for you all, I want you to open your mind and accept Jeasus as your lord and savior and watch how things change in your life, that is all the proof you need. Faith is what you need, Doubt is Satan’s tool.”

    I love it!

    Anyway, I absolutely have no doubt that Allah is our lord and savior.
    Since yesterday, I thought it was Ra, a month ago it was Odin, but now I am absolutely and totally convinced it is Allah.
    We will see tomorrow.

    Your Jesus is bullshit unless you tell us WHY is he better than Allah or Ra.

    Any arguments?

  286. on 17 Feb 2013 at 8:47 am 286.Severin said …

    #156
    “you can not even mention cathlics because they are even more diluded than athiests they go completely against the book they preach from”

    Catholics say same for all other denominations of Christianity and for all other religions.

    What do you have in your sleeve to support your claim?

  287. on 17 Feb 2013 at 8:57 am 287.Severin said …

    #157
    “lol fuck yeah captin kirk is better he makes captin piccard look like a neardy pussy”

    As in religions, it all depends on taste: all of them: Captain Pickard, Caprtain Kirk, Jesus, Allah, Ra, …, are thought up, and anyone is free to like or dislike whom he prefers better.

    You just told us that your beliefs depend on whom you pick.
    It’s in your head.

    De gustibus non est disputandum.

  288. on 17 Feb 2013 at 9:04 am 288.s0l0m0n said …

    Atheists are in the dark.
    They have nothing or did’nt know what to believe.
    When there is a glimpse of light they start crawling.
    When there’s none they stop crawling.
    Always in doubt.

  289. on 17 Feb 2013 at 9:18 am 289.Severin said …

    #212
    “Does anyone else understand me …”

    Sorry, but, … no.

    Why don’t you try Solomon?

    Maybe he will understand you.

  290. on 17 Feb 2013 at 10:23 am 290.alex said …

    please, s0l is non gratis. let him tend his sheep.

  291. on 17 Feb 2013 at 11:52 am 291.s0l0m0n said …

    Xcanthean Zeno,

    “so god equals nothing?
    why didnt you say you were an athiest 9_9.”

    No…I could not say I’am an atheists coz’ mathematically nothing is also equals to God.

    Whaaa.ka…ka…ka…

    The atheists are going nowhere…

  292. on 17 Feb 2013 at 11:54 am 292.s0l0m0n said …

    The atheists keeps ranting irrelevant issues.
    No doubt they’re out of argument.

  293. on 17 Feb 2013 at 11:56 am 293.s0l0m0n said …

    How can a creation comments on their own origin.It must be told by its creator, like the toy in the shoddy factory.

  294. on 17 Feb 2013 at 12:22 pm 294.alex said …

    Go sheep, s0l.

  295. on 17 Feb 2013 at 4:05 pm 295.s0l0m0n said …

    alex,

    Go on counting sheep.
    You slave…..

  296. on 17 Feb 2013 at 4:16 pm 296.alex said …

    praise to allah. i’m a primitive shepherd and i give you my soul for the promise of virgens, but i’m afraid to blow up my shit, so instead i fuck with the atheists.

  297. on 17 Feb 2013 at 4:29 pm 297.Mal said …

    What a sorry waste of “literary” space. You must be an unhappy person.

    Anyone can “prove” anything if they set out to do it.

    The reality is no person can prove one way or the other if God exists. However, if you dare read the bible with the idea that it may be true, you will never be the same. The words have life. You will FEEL this.It is easy to just chose not to believe. This takes no effort at all. It is way more scary to give up your ego even a little bit and consider the possibility that there is something greater than you or me. What a horrible death Jesus suffered…for you.

    Good luck to you.

    If you have no faith, why would you be bothered investing so much of your time and intellect trying to convince other sad or angry people to feel the way you do? The payoff is not a good one for you or your readers.

  298. on 17 Feb 2013 at 4:35 pm 298.alex said …

    “The payoff is not a good one for you or your readers.”

    so, screw the women, gays, minorities, eh? if you’re an xtian fuck all the muslims and if you’re a muslim fuck all the xtians. is that it?

    campaign for creationism in school, is that it? fuck knowledge, fuck the inquiring mind, is that it? go fuck yourself, you, you.

  299. on 17 Feb 2013 at 4:38 pm 299.DPK said …

    Mak,

    Do me a favor… Take your above statement and substitute “the Koran, or “dianetics” for the bible, and then come back and tell us why your claim is any more value than either of those?

  300. on 17 Feb 2013 at 4:48 pm 300.Lou(DFW) said …

    284.s0l0m0n said …

    “Always in doubt.”

    There’s no doubt that you and messenger are both nuts. No doubt whatsoever.

  301. on 17 Feb 2013 at 4:50 pm 301.alex said …

    ..substitute “the Koran, or “dianetics”..

    that would be blasphemy. it could jeopardize their bullshit heavenly standing. just in case their bible redemption getOutOfJailFree card doesn’t work. xtianity is number one. there cannot possibly be any other true religion, despite the rantings of our resident sheep herder.

  302. on 17 Feb 2013 at 6:12 pm 302.Kyle said …

    Hello all I am back to say one more thing then you wont see me again. First off Obama is a Muslim. s0l0m0n, God cannot be nothing because he is everything. And i would also like to apologize to you s0l0m0n, i should not of said anything derogatory about you, i just let the hate of this site get to me. I was also throwing the word ignorant around… we are all a little ignorant. What we should all take away is don’t try and put someone down or try to change their mind if they are happy… truly happy. These people are kind to other people and do good things when no one is looking. Everyone here can clearly see you could debate all you can and no one will win debates are just something that are won by convincing someone of their points compared to their components. with that said if you don”t believe in God and you are truly happy good that is your own business. Also same thing for people who believe in a God, no matter what religion you are if you do good in your life and love one another instead of hate that’s all that should matter. And if you want to tell other people about your religion don’t say that they are wrong just tell them how your God or lack of God in your life has changed your life for the better. I hope you all read this and hopefully see things in a better light… stop hating and learn to find the good in people instead of the bad. Peace to all, make the best out of your lives.

  303. on 17 Feb 2013 at 10:46 pm 303.Lou (DFW) said …

    302.Kyle said …

    “Hello all I am back to say one more thing then you wont see me again.”

    Exactly as I predicted. Another theist hit & run troll runs away without ever answering any direct questions about his delusion, all the while demanding that you answer his while he hurls insult after insult. Such theists are cockroaches who run away when the light of reason, logic, and truth that exposes them for what they are. He never wanted to “engage” anyone in an honest discussion. All he wants is a forum from which he can spew his delusional nonsense.

    159.Kyle said …

    “your not only a drama queen now your a quitter”

    173.Lou(DFW) said …

    “you’re most likely just another hit & run troll.”

  304. on 17 Feb 2013 at 11:32 pm 304.alex said …

    297.Mal said …

    “First off Obama is a Muslim.”

    302.Kyle said …

    “If you have no faith, why would you be bothered investing so much of your time and intellect trying to convince other sad or angry people to feel the way you do?”

    dumb fuck #1 & #2.

  305. on 18 Feb 2013 at 12:59 am 305.s0l0m0n said …

    (((((BRAVO))))) Mal….!!! Bravo…

    (((((BRAVO))))) Kyle….!!! Bravo….

  306. on 18 Feb 2013 at 2:26 am 306.s0l0m0n said …

    alex head is full of sheep shit…..

  307. on 18 Feb 2013 at 7:04 am 307.Anonymous said …

    [blockquote]And if you want to tell other people about your religion don’t say that they are wrong just tell them how your God or lack of God in your life has changed your life for the better.[/blockquote]

    Gosh. To think that all we had to do was to ask Kyle to tell us how his god changed his life, because he’d have been sure to have answered. Then we’d have a working example instead of vague and unsupported assertions.

    How could we not have thought to have asked him that, and now he’s going away, probably to play tag with Messenger? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you. [/sarcasm]

  308. on 18 Feb 2013 at 7:14 am 308.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    Zeno demands an answer to these questions ;D

    How has god changed your life?
    What did he do to do it?
    has he made good things happen to you? if yes please specifly

    Now start typing ;D

  309. on 18 Feb 2013 at 9:38 am 309.alex said …

    it’s very obvious. god saved my trailer house from the tornado, while ignoring the rest. he ignored the rest because it is not in his will. i am in his will because i prayed. other people who prayed were ignored because it is not in his will.

    god cured my cancer because i’m so special. not sure why the others weren’t cured, but i’m sure god has his reasons. even though god’s reasons are not known, i’m 100% sure, i am cured because of god.

    i’m a good xtian and the bible drives my morals. even though obama is a fellow xtian, i’m so blinded by hate that i’m convinced that obama is muslim.

    after prayer, god cured my son’s homosexuality. he married and had kids even though it’s been shown many, many times that homosexuals who live their heterosexual lie eventually revert.

    sigh, and on, and on, and on……..

  310. on 18 Feb 2013 at 11:16 am 310.s0l0m0n said …

    alex is destined to ((((HELL)))) I suppose….

  311. on 18 Feb 2013 at 2:01 pm 311.alex said …

    non gratis, yu sheep herder.

  312. on 18 Feb 2013 at 2:32 pm 312.Severin said …

    #302
    ” i just let the hate of this site get to me.”

    Can you kindly show us where did you find hate on this site?

    Some examples would do.

  313. on 18 Feb 2013 at 2:39 pm 313.Severin said …

    #302
    ” I was also throwing the word ignorant around… we are all a little ignorant. What we should all take away is don’t try and put someone down or try to change their mind if they are happy… truly happy.”

    Fine! excellent!

    Why, then, all churches in this world, and all theists I ever met, and all theists on this blog, are trying very aggressively to impose their beliefs on me?

    I mean: I AM happy without all their bullshits.

    Is their Christian/Muslim/…/… duty/obligation to distroy my happiness?

    WHY are you coming to this blog to teach me how to think and what to believe in?
    Are you paid for that, or what?

    I never ever came to anyone’s home, church, blog, club, …, to try to tell people that they are not right and what I think they should believe.

    What is your interest in imposing your religion on me?

  314. on 18 Feb 2013 at 2:52 pm 314.Severin said …

    (I)
    302 Kyle
    “First off Obama is a Muslim.”

    (II)
    302 Kyle
    ” Also same thing for people who believe in a God, no matter what religion you are if you do good in your life and love one another”

    If Mr. Obama is a Muslim, then he believes in god.
    Why is then important if he is a Muslim?
    WHY did you stress that claim of yours?

  315. on 19 Feb 2013 at 2:32 am 315.s0l0m0n said …

    Severin,

    “Why, then, ____________________________, and all theists I ever met, and all theists on this blog, are trying very aggressively to impose their beliefs on me?”

    Let me answer this for you.

    All you ever think of is only about your happiness don’t you? While all this while the theists are worried about the fate of their fellow humans.They are sacrificing their time, whole heartedly trying to convince them without any return.

    Yes…You never ever came to anyone’s home, church, blog, club, …, to try to tell people that they are not right and what I think they should believe because (((You don’t or even care for them))))

    Get back to the true God, and remember, the true god is not Jesus.

  316. on 19 Feb 2013 at 2:34 am 316.s0l0m0n said …

    alex,

    One sheep…..Two sheep….Three sheep…No Ship…..
    zzzzzzzzzzz……….

  317. on 19 Feb 2013 at 6:30 am 317.Severin said …

    #315
    “All you ever think of is only about your happiness don’t you?”

    No, I don’t. So, all other claims of yours, based on this one, are false.
    They are, practically lies.
    Same as if I said you were a gay, then based all further claims on that one.

    How could YOU know whose happiness am I thinking about?

  318. on 19 Feb 2013 at 6:34 am 318.Severin said …

    #315
    “All you ever think of is only about your happiness don’t you?”

    Said the one who expects to fuck 72 virgins in haeven, without asking THEM whether or not will THEY be happy to fuck him.

  319. on 19 Feb 2013 at 7:02 am 319.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    #315
    “All you ever think of is only about your happiness don’t you?”

    says the one who gets virgins if he blows himself up…

  320. on 19 Feb 2013 at 12:42 pm 320.solomon said …

    Severin,

    “Said the one who expects to fuck 72 virgins in haeven, without asking THEM whether or not will THEY be happy to fuck him.”

    All you know and thinks that everybody’s thought is about ((((LUSTS)))).

    Theists are grateful enough if God only makes them alive & witness his glory.They did not expect any of the above pleasures like what your lots think of.They were even grateful if they could only be allowed to just peek into the doors of heavens.If they are allowed in that would be a bonus from the most gracious.

    You the atheists lots on the other hand are the ungrateful & boastful lots.

  321. on 19 Feb 2013 at 12:58 pm 321.Lou(DFW) said …

    315.s0l0m0n said …

    “All you ever think of is only about your happiness don’t you? While all this while the theists are worried about the fate of their fellow humans.They are sacrificing their time, whole heartedly trying to convince them without any return.”

    Especially these theists:

    http://rabidrepublicanblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/9-11Hijackers1.jpg

  322. on 19 Feb 2013 at 10:59 pm 322.alex said …

    the bible/koran is the final word, as long as you pick out all the bullshit and dismiss them as 1)out of context, 2)euphemisms/parables, 3)misunderstandings, or 4)misinterpretations.

    otherwise, it is the word of god. from the bible, we pick out our favs and we use it as the weapon of choice as we wage hate wars against the homos, blacks, women, other religions, liberals, and filipinos.

    on topic?

  323. on 20 Feb 2013 at 1:51 am 323.s0l0m0n said …

    alex,

    “the bible/koran is the final word, as long as you pick out all the bullshit and dismiss them”

    Don’t just know how to rant ((((RUBBISH)))). Cite which part of the “true book” is..

    1)out of context, 2)euphemisms/parables, 3)misunderstandings, or 4)misinterpretations.

    and let’s have a debate on it if you have the balls.

  324. on 20 Feb 2013 at 1:54 am 324.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW)

    “Especially these theists:

    http://rabidrepublicanblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/9-11Hijackers1.jpg

    Those are not the subjects of the “true book”.

    See….simply denied.

  325. on 20 Feb 2013 at 2:01 am 325.s0l0m0n said …

    alex….(((((A RUBBISH BIN FOR HATRED))))

  326. on 20 Feb 2013 at 6:50 am 326.The messenger said …

    Brother 324.s0l0m0n, the problem with America right now is socialism.

    People have become content to put less than the minimum effort into managing their money, so now that many of them are bankrupt they believe that the federal government will provide for them. Those people are lazy.

    Americans have forgotten how to be self reliant. They have have forgotten how to manage their money wisely.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Ramsey
    If wish to learn the secrets to financial success, please listen to this man. He is a very wise Christian.

  327. on 20 Feb 2013 at 6:53 am 327.The messenger said …

    Brother 325.s0l0m0n, perhaps you should stop insulting him and start trying to help our brother see the path of righteousness.

  328. on 20 Feb 2013 at 7:00 am 328.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    OR
    ALEX, the guy who shows inconsistencies with religion?

  329. on 20 Feb 2013 at 8:13 am 329.The messenger said …

    Brother 285.Severin, I have given you proof of Jesus’s existence.

    Jesus spent his entire life treaching love and forgiveness. That is what make him better than pagans. Jesus is the one and only God.

  330. on 20 Feb 2013 at 8:55 am 330.alex said …

    ha! ha! fucking non-gratis s0l looking for attention. go back to your sheep. or go mount your flying horsey ((wa! ka! ka!))

    mohammad on a flying horse? har! har! pork chops anyone?

  331. on 20 Feb 2013 at 9:16 am 331.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    Flying horse?

    Rainbow dash anyone?

  332. on 20 Feb 2013 at 9:30 am 332.s0l0m0n said …

    alex heart is either empty or full of shit!

  333. on 20 Feb 2013 at 9:31 am 333.The messenger said …

    Brother330.alex please get help.

  334. on 20 Feb 2013 at 12:29 pm 334.Lou(DFW) said …

    324.s0l0m0n said …

    “Those are not the subjects of the “true book”.
    See….simply denied.”

    Nobody knows which is the “true book” nor the “true god” because you are a coward who won’t admit what they are.

    Simply “true.”

  335. on 20 Feb 2013 at 4:04 pm 335.DPK said …

    324.s0l0m0n said …

    “Those are not the subjects of the “true book”.
    See….simply denied.”

    I think they would beg to differ with you.
    Why should we believe you, and not them?
    All the assorted Holy Books warn us about false prophets, which of course, is always the “other guy”.
    yuk, yuk, yuk…..

  336. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:15 pm 336.The messenger said …

    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 1

    Bereshit: Table of Contents

    Chapter 2 ›

    1: IN THE beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth.

    2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of G-d hovered over the face of the waters.

    3 And G-d said: ‘Let there be light’ And there was light.

    4 And G-d saw the light, that it was good; and G-d divided the light from the darkness.

    5 And G-d called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

    6 And G-d said: ‘Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters’.

    7 And G-d made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.

    8 And G-d called the firmament Heaven And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

    9 And G-d said: ‘Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear’ And it was so.

    10 And G-d called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and G-d saw that it was good.

    11 And G-d said: ‘Let the earth put forth grass, herb yielding seed, and fruit-tree bearing fruit after its kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth’ And it was so.

    12 And the earth brought forth grass, herb yielding seed after its kind, and tree bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after its kind; and G-d saw that it was good.

    13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

    14 And G-d said: ‘Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years;

    15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth’ And it was so.

    16 And G-d made the two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; and the stars.

    17 And G-d set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness; and G-d saw that it was good.

    19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

    20 And G-d said: ‘Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let fowl fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven’.

    21 And G-d created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and G-d saw that it was good.

    22 And G-d blessed them, saying: ‘Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth’.

    23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

    24 And G-d said: ‘Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind’ And it was so.

    25 And G-d made the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the ground after its kind; and G-d saw that it was good.

    26 And G-d said: ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth’.

    27 And G-d created man in His own image, in the image of G-d created He him; male and female created He them.

    28 And G-d blessed them; and G-d said unto them: ‘Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth’.

    29 And G-d said: ‘Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed–to you it shall be for food;

    30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is a living soul, I have given every green herb for food’ And it was so.

    31 And G-d saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

  337. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:16 pm 337.The messenger said …

    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 2

    ‹ Chapter 1

    Bereshit: Table of Contents

    Chapter 3 ›

    1 And the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

    2 And on the seventh day G-d finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.

    3 And G-d blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it He rested from all His work which G-d in creating had made.

    4 These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that HaShem G-d made earth and heaven.

    5 No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for HaShem G-d had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground;

    6 but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

    7 Then HaShem G-d formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    8 And HaShem G-d planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

    9 And out of the ground made HaShem G-d to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became four heads.

    11 The name of the first is Pishon; that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

    12 and the gold of that land is good; there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon; the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Cush.

    14 And the name of the third river is Tigris; that is it which goeth toward the east of Asshur And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

    15 And HaShem G-d took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

    16 And HaShem G-d commanded the man, saying: ‘Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat;

    17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.’

    18 And HaShem G-d said: ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.’

    19 And out of the ground HaShem G-d formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.

    20 And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him.

    21 And HaShem G-d caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the place with flesh instead thereof.

    22 And the rib, which HaShem G-d had taken from the man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man.

    23 And the man said: ‘This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.’

    24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh.

    25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

  338. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:16 pm 338.The messenger said …

    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 3

    ‹ Chapter 2

    Bereshit: Table of Contents

    Chapter 4 ›

    1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which HaShem G-d had made. And he said unto the woman: ‘Yea, hath G-d said: Ye shall not eat of any tree of the garden?’

    2 And the woman said unto the serpent: ‘Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;

    3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, G-d hath said: Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.’

    4 And the serpent said unto the woman: ‘Ye shall not surely die;

    5 for G-d doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as G-d, knowing good and evil.’

    6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat; and she gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat.

    7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig-leaves together, and made themselves girdles.

    8 And they heard the voice of HaShem G-d walking in the garden toward the cool of the day; and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of HaShem G-d amongst the trees of the garden.

    9 And HaShem G-d called unto the man, and said unto him: ‘Where art thou?’

    10 And he said: ‘I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.’

    11 And He said: ‘Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?’

    12 And the man said: ‘The woman whom Thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.’

    13 And HaShem G-d said unto the woman: ‘What is this thou hast done?’ And the woman said: ‘The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.’

    14 And HaShem G-d said unto the serpent: ‘Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou from among all cattle, and from among all beasts of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.’

    16 Unto the woman He said: ‘I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy travail; in pain thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.’

    17 And unto Adam He said: ‘Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying: Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

    18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field.

    19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.’

    20 And the man called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

    21 And HaShem G-d made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them.

    22 And HaShem G-d said: ‘Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.’

    23 Therefore HaShem G-d sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

    24 So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way to the tree of life.

  339. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:17 pm 339.The messenger said …

    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 4

    ‹ Chapter 3

    Bereshit: Table of Contents

    Chapter 5 ›

    1 And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived and bore Cain, and said: ‘I have gotten a man with the help of HaShem.’

    2 And again she bore his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

    3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto HaShem.

    4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And HaShem had respect unto Abel and to his offering;

    5 but unto Cain and to his offering He had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

    6 And HaShem said unto Cain: ‘Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

    7 If thou doest well, shall it not be lifted up? and if thou doest not well, sin coucheth at the door; and unto thee is its desire, but thou mayest rule over it.’

    8 And Cain spoke unto Abel his brother. And it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

    9 And HaShem said unto Cain: ‘Where is Abel thy brother?’ And he said: ‘I know not; am I my brother’s keeper?’

    10 And He said: ‘What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto Me from the ground.

    11 And now cursed art thou from the ground, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand.

    12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a wanderer shalt thou be in the earth.’

    13 And Cain said unto HaShem: ‘My punishment is greater than I can bear.

    14 Behold, Thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the land; and from Thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer in the earth; and it will come to pass, that whosoever findeth me will slay me.’

    15 And HaShem said unto him: ‘Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.’ And HaShem set a sign for Cain, lest any finding him should smite him.

    16 And Cain went out from the presence of HaShem, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

    17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bore Enoch; and he builded a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son Enoch.

    18 And unto Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael; and Mehujael begot Methushael; and Methushael begot Lamech.

    19 And Lamech took unto him two wives; the name of one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

    20 And Adah bore Jabal; he was the father of such as dwell in tents and have cattle.

    21 And his brother’s name was Jubal; he was the father of all such as handle the harp and pipe.

    22 And Zillah, she also bore Tubal-cain, the forger of every cutting instrument of brass and iron; and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

    23 And Lamech said unto his wives: Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech; for I have slain a man for wounding me, and a young man for bruising me;

    24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

    25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bore a son, and called his name Seth: ‘for G-d hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel; for Cain slew him.’

    26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh; then began men to call upon the name of HaShem.

  340. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:18 pm 340.The messenger said …

    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 5

    ‹ Chapter 4

    Bereshit: Table of Contents

    Chapter 6 ›

    1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that G-d created man, in the likeness of G-d made He him;

    2 male and female created He them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

    3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth.

    4 And the days of Adam after he begot Seth were eight hundred years; and he begot sons and daughters.

    5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

    6 And Seth lived a hundred and five years, and begot Enosh.

    7 And Seth lived after he begot Enosh eight hundred and seven years, and begot sons and daughters.

    8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.

    9 And Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Kenan.

    10 And Enosh lived after he begot Kenan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begot sons and daughters.

    11 And all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.

    12 And Kenan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel.

    13 And Kenan lived after he begot Mahalalel eight hundred and forty years, and begot sons and daughters.

    14 And all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.

    15 And Mahalalel lived sixty and five years, and begot Jared.

    16 And Mahalalel lived after he begot Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters.

    17 And all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred ninety and five years; and he died.

    18 And Jared lived a hundred sixty and two years, and begot Enoch.

    19 And Jared lived after he begot Enoch eight hundred years, and begot sons and daughters.

    20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years; and he died.

    21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah.

    22 And Enoch walked with G-d after he begot Methuselah three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters.

    23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years.

    24 And Enoch walked with G-d, and he was not; for G-d took him.

    25 And Methuselah lived a hundred eighty and seven years, and begot Lamech.

    26 And Methuselah lived after he begot Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begot sons and daughters.

    27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years; and he died.

    28 And Lamech lived a hundred eighty and two years, and begot a son.

    29 And he called his name Noah, saying: ‘This same shall comfort us in our work and in the toil of our hands, which cometh from the ground which HaShem hath cursed.’

    30 And Lamech lived after he begot Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begot sons and daughters.

    31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years; and he died.

    32 And Noah was five hundred years old; and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

  341. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:18 pm 341.The messenger said …

    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 6

    ‹ Chapter 5

    Bereshit: Table of Contents

    Chapter 7 ›

    1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2 that the sons of G-d saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they chose.

    3 And HaShem said: ‘My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for that he also is flesh; therefore shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.’

    4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of G-d came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

    5 And HaShem saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    6 And it repented HaShem that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.

    7 And HaShem said: ‘I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and creeping thing, and fowl of the air; for it repenteth Me that I have made them.’

    8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of HaShem.

    9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was in his generations a man righteous and wholehearted; Noah walked with G-d.

    10 And Noah begot three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

    11 And the earth was corrupt before G-d, and the earth was filled with violence.

    12 And G-d saw the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.

    13 And G-d said unto Noah: ‘The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; with rooms shalt thou make the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

    15 And this is how thou shalt make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

    16 A light shalt thou make to the ark, and to a cubit shalt thou finish it upward; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

    17 And I, behold, I do bring the flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; every thing that is in the earth shall perish.

    18 But I will establish My covenant with thee; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons’ wives with thee.

    19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

    20 Of the fowl after their kind, and of the cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

    21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.’

    22 Thus did Noah; according to all that G-d commanded him, so did he.

  342. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:20 pm 342.The messenger said …

    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 7

    ‹ Chapter 6

    Bereshit: Table of Contents

    Chapter 8 ›

    1 And HaShem said unto Noah: ‘Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before Me in this generation.

    2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee seven and seven, each with his mate; and of the beasts that are not clean two and two, each with his mate;

    3 of the fowl also of the air, seven and seven, male and female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

    4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I blot out from off the face of the earth.’

    5 And Noah did according unto all that HaShem commanded him.

    6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

    7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons’ wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

    8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the ground,

    9 there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, male and female, as G-d commanded Noah.

    10 And it came to pass after the seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

    11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

    12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

    13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

    14 they, and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind, and every fowl after its kind, every bird of every sort.

    15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh wherein is the breath of life. 16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as G-d commanded him; and HaShem shut him in.

    17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bore up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.

    18 And the waters prevailed, and increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

    19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were covered.

    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

    21 And all flesh perished that moved upon the earth, both fowl, and cattle, and beast, and every swarming thing that swarmeth upon the earth, and every man;

    22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, whatsoever was in the dry land, died.

    23 And He blotted out every living substance which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and creeping thing, and fowl of the heaven; and they were blotted out from the earth; and Noah only was left, and they that were with him in the ark.

    24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.

  343. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:29 pm 343.The messenger said …

    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 8

    ‹ Chapter 7

    Bereshit: Table of Contents

    Chapter 9 ›

    1 And G-d remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that were with him in the ark; and G-d made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged;

    2 the fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained.

    3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually; and after the end of a hundred and fifty days the waters decreased.

    4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

    5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.

    6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made.

    7 And he sent forth a raven, and it went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.

    8 And he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground.

    9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him to the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth; and he put forth his hand, and took her, and brought her in unto him into the ark.

    10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark.

    11 And the dove came in to him at eventide; and lo in her mouth an olive-leaf freshly plucked; so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

    12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; and she returned not again unto him any more.

    13 And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and behold, the face of the ground was dried.

    14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dry. 15 And G-d spoke unto Noah, saying:

    16 ‘Go forth from the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons’ wives with thee.

    17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee of all flesh, both fowl, and cattle, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may swarm in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.’

    18 And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons’ wives with him;

    19 every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, whatsoever moveth upon the earth, after their families; went forth out of the ark.

    20 And Noah builded an altar unto HaShem; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt-offerings on the altar.

    21 And HaShem smelled the sweet savour; and HaShem said in His heart: ‘I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

    22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.’

  344. on 20 Feb 2013 at 11:38 pm 344.The messenger said …

    This is a sample of the Jewish bible version of Genesis.

  345. on 21 Feb 2013 at 12:34 am 345.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    “Why should we believe you, and not them?”

    You should believe in me coz’ you can always check it out from the ‘true book’.

  346. on 21 Feb 2013 at 12:46 am 346.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK said,

    “Nobody knows which is the “true book” nor the “true god” because you are a coward who won’t admit what they are.”

    No…..I’m no coward.

    The identity of the true god is not that important at this stage.It’s the concept that it brings must first be accepted.

    If even the concept of truth that it brings have at this earlier stage been simply rejected without decent arguments from your lots, than it’s much wiser to keep god’s identity anonymous rather than he being mocked.

  347. on 21 Feb 2013 at 6:40 am 347.s0l0m0n said …

    sorry DPK…

    “Nobody knows which is the “true book” nor the “true god” because you are a coward who won’t admit what they are.”

    It’s not you who said this….its Lou(‘D’a ‘F’–k ‘W’hat).

    So my post 346 should go to him.
    Apology for the error.

  348. on 21 Feb 2013 at 7:01 am 348.s0l0m0n said …

    The messenger
    Bereshit – Genesis

    Chapter 6 ›

    5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.- Agree

    Jesus is God- Not agree

  349. on 21 Feb 2013 at 7:02 am 349.s0l0m0n said …

    The messenger,

    The bible is the twisted version of truth.

  350. on 21 Feb 2013 at 7:18 am 350.s0l0m0n said …

    Points to ponder;

    God poured rain from the sky….

    Up till today it never stops raining.
    Who can confirm that?
    No other than God almighty.

    The true book have been true all along and can never be refuted.

    Now atheists don’t try to bluff with the evaporation process.

  351. on 21 Feb 2013 at 7:48 am 351.Severin said …

    #345
    “You should believe in me coz’ you can always check it out from the ‘true book’.”

    To have a complete circular reasoning, you only have to add: and the book is true because I say it is!

    Which book is it?
    Bible?
    Odyssey?
    “How to grow lettuce hydroponically” manual?

  352. on 21 Feb 2013 at 7:50 am 352.Severin said …

    #346
    “It’s the concept that it brings must first be accepted.”

    What concept?

  353. on 21 Feb 2013 at 9:20 am 353.s0l0m0n said …

    Which book is it?
    Bible?
    Odyssey?

    Don’t worry about which book first.

    And don’t pretend. Surely it’s not bible or odyssey.How many times I have stress Jesus is not god.

    Think & accept it’s concept.

    “What concept?”

    And don’t pretend you do not know.The concept that I have raised up all this while you scum.

    Atheists always repeat the same silly irrelevant questions just to kill time and ran away or spin from issues that they could not answer.

  354. on 21 Feb 2013 at 11:08 am 354.alex said …

    back to your sheep, non gratis.

  355. on 21 Feb 2013 at 11:51 am 355.s0l0m0n said …

    To ((((HELL)))) with your non gratis.

  356. on 21 Feb 2013 at 6:54 pm 356.Severin said …

    #353
    “How many times I have stress Jesus is not god.”

    Why is it important to anyone what you stress?
    Do you think that claims that you stress many times become true because you stress them?
    Is it how you think it works?

    Jesus was claimed and stressed a god about 700 years before Islam stressed anything.
    Islam is BASED on Christianity. Your holy book is BASED on Bible.
    Your religion is, in fact, stolen and falsified Christian religion.

  357. on 21 Feb 2013 at 9:37 pm 357.The messenger said …

    348.s0l0m0n that Jewish verse that you posted had nothing to do with Jesus.

    Your comment was very inane.
    Jesus is God in human form. Nothing can disprove that.

  358. on 21 Feb 2013 at 9:39 pm 358.The messenger said …

    356.Severin, you are right for once.

  359. on 22 Feb 2013 at 3:30 am 359.s0l0m0n said …

    Get to the point Severin,

    “Why is it important to anyone what you stress?”

    It’s crystal clear that I stress my point is to make known that you deliberately pretend not to understand that the true book I’m referring to is definitely not the bible.Not for you to create a question as if it’s not important.

    “Jesus was claimed and stressed a god about 700 years before Islam stressed anything.
    Islam is BASED on Christianity. Your holy book is BASED on Bible.
    Your religion is, in fact, stolen and falsified Christian religion.”

    At this juncture you are a bit ignorant or off track or lack of info.

    The concept of the true religion have way begun since Adam,long before any other religions exist.It continued thru various messengers up till today until the end of the world.On it’s journey various religions arises in which all of them reject or twist the true religion.For info the true religion is not based/stolen/falsified on/the Christian religion.The true book correct/amend what is being twisted in the bible.

  360. on 22 Feb 2013 at 8:03 am 360.Severin said …

    #353
    “The concept that I have raised up all this while you scum.”

    Is THAT your concept?
    I don’t call a scum someone who doesn’t accept my opinion.
    But, someone who calls someone a scum for not accepting his shit, IS a scum.
    A dangerous one!

    One little step from calling someone a scum, to “punishing” him for non-accepting your shit.

    9/11 in your mind?
    Tragical!

  361. on 22 Feb 2013 at 11:37 am 361.s0l0m0n said …

    Severin,

    Don’t try to twist my words.I won’t call someone a scum if he’s not a scum. But you have proved that you are the one.Why?
    After repeated clarification you still want to pretend that you did not know what I’am talking about. That’s why you are the perfect candidate of being a scum.I call you a scum not because you’re not accepting my opinion.Does that bust your tactics to look as if I’m wrong.

  362. on 22 Feb 2013 at 11:38 am 362.s0l0m0n said …

    See…none of my words goes to waste. All fruitful & true.

  363. on 22 Feb 2013 at 4:32 pm 363.Lou(DFW) said …

    361.s0l0m0n said …

    “I won’t call someone a scum if he’s not a scum.”

    And I don’t call someone a lying moron unless he is one, and he regularly demonstrates it as you do. Actually, there’s no need to call you that because you do such a tremendous job of showing us.

    Obviously, you are a lying moron, not to mention a coward who won’t declare in which imaginary god he believes or which delusional religion you follow.

  364. on 23 Feb 2013 at 4:25 am 364.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(Da F–k What)

    Don’t just label me a lying moron. Prove which part I’m lying and let’s debate on it if you’re the man of truth.

  365. on 23 Feb 2013 at 5:38 am 365.alex said …

    s0l is non gratis. do your sheep. wa ka ka.

  366. on 23 Feb 2013 at 9:48 am 366.s0l0m0n said …

    To ((((HELL)))) with your non gratis.

    Whaaaaa…..ka….ka….ka…..

  367. on 23 Feb 2013 at 10:29 am 367.Anonymous said …

    364.s0l0m0n said …

    “Don’t just label me a lying moron. Prove which part I’m lying and let’s debate on it if you’re the man of truth.”

    PERFECT!

    Let’ start the debate about which god and religion is the real one. So, tell us, unless you are a lying moron, which is it?

  368. on 23 Feb 2013 at 10:30 am 368.Lou (DFW) said …

    366.Anonymous said …

    is Lou(DFW)

  369. on 23 Feb 2013 at 12:39 pm 369.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    367.Anonymous said …
    364.s0l0m0n said …

    “Don’t just label me a lying moron. Prove which part I’m lying and let’s debate on it if you’re the man of truth.”

    PERFECT!

    Let’ start the debate about which god and religion is the real one. So, tell us, unless you are a lying moron, which is it?

    as much as i would like an answer, we all know whats going to happen here…

  370. on 23 Feb 2013 at 4:13 pm 370.s0l0m0n said …

    Anonymous/Lou(What Da F–-k ),

    “Don’t just label me a lying moron. Prove which part I’m lying and let’s debate on it if you’re the man of truth.”

    Read my words carefully….

    I am asking you which part am I lying, not a debate on which god or religion is the real one.
    You atheists are just plain ((((STUPID)))).

  371. on 24 Feb 2013 at 11:16 am 371.Lou (DFW) said …

    370.s0l0m0n said …

    “I am asking you which part am I lying, not a debate on which god or religion is the real one.”

    Translation: I will not debate about my imaginary god nor about my delusional religion.

    s0l0m0n, unless you admit in which imaginary god you belief and which delusional religion you follow, then you are a coward.

    Nothing you said about your imaginary god is true. It’s all a lie, and that’s why you won’t debate it – that’s “proof,” coward. If it wasn’t a lie, then you would debate it.

  372. on 24 Feb 2013 at 1:43 pm 372.s0l0m0n said …

    Aaaaaahhh!!!……Just for the sake of answering. The fact is atheists have no substance to debate.

  373. on 24 Feb 2013 at 5:25 pm 373.Lou (DFW) said …

    372.s0l0m0n said …

    “Aaaaaahhh!!!……Just for the sake of answering. The fact is atheists have no substance to debate.”

    That’s right, because you theists don’t offer anything about which to debate. Until you do, then the default position is that your imaginary god, regardless of which one it may be, does not exist.

    Thank you for admitting it.

  374. on 24 Feb 2013 at 5:39 pm 374.alex said …

    ok s0l, finally figured out your god: http://goo.gl/GeQEx

    yuk, yuk.

  375. on 25 Feb 2013 at 12:50 am 375.s0l0m0n said …

    alex..possess the brains of a sheep…
    Whaaa….ka…ka…ka…

  376. on 28 Feb 2013 at 12:25 pm 376.Lou (DFW) said …

    375.s0l0m0n said …

    “alex..possess the brains of a sheep…”

    Let’s assume that he does. So what?

    The most we can say is that your inept imaginary god placed the brains of a sheep into a man.

  377. on 28 Feb 2013 at 12:35 pm 377.The messenger said …

    Brother s0l0m0n, god is the only being who can preform a miricle. Jesus preformed many miricles such as healing sick and the blind people. And he brought himself back to life.

    Therefore jesus is God in human form.

  378. on 01 Mar 2013 at 12:49 am 378.s0l0m0n said …

    The messenger,

    “Brother s0l0m0n, god is the only being who can preform a miricle.”

    Yes, true. But that does not make someone who can performs miracles a God. Miracles are special powers gifted to Jesus so that he could deliver god’s message in a much believable manner.

    Brother…Christians are being twisted by the bible.
    Get back to the real god. You will be saved from ((((HELL)))).

  379. on 01 Mar 2013 at 12:54 am 379.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(What Da F–-k) ,

    “The most we can say is that your inept imaginary god placed the brains of a sheep into a man.”

    God did’t placed the brains of a sheep into a man. That is only my words.

  380. on 01 Mar 2013 at 1:57 pm 380.The messenger said …

    Brother Solomon, I mean this with all the respect in the world: you stated that it is true that GOD is the only being that can preform a miricle, but you contradicted that statement by saying that miricles are powers given to humans.

    I was also wondering if you are Islamic or Jewish of Methodist.

  381. on 01 Mar 2013 at 6:11 pm 381.s0l0m0n said …

    The messenger,

    Yes I mean it’s true that God is the only being that can perform a miracle, but I meant that is at the initial stage, which I should have mention earlier, careless of me. But God could also grant anything to humans including performing miracles.

  382. on 02 Mar 2013 at 12:01 am 382.alex said …

    go home to your sheep s0l, quit your pseudoisms.

  383. on 02 Mar 2013 at 12:30 am 383.DPK said …

    Messenger… Is it not true that one of the requirements of being granted sainthood in your religion is that there must be miracles documented as being attributed to the saint candidate?
    Are all the saints god too? Or are you perhaps again mistaken about the true teachings of your church?
    Don’t you find it curious that I, an atheist, knows more about the teachings and tenants of your religion than you do? You, the one who claims to speak for god himself!

    Look up “blasphemy” and “false prophet”

  384. on 02 Mar 2013 at 12:43 am 384.the messenger said …

    Mr. DPK, you have failed again. Saints are close to God, so we pray to the saints so that they will ask God to grant the prayer.

    The saint is not the one who grants the miracle, he is the one who asks God to to grant the miracle.

    Praying to a saint is not required, God can answer your prayers either way. That is why more than one miracle is required as proof of sainthood.

    We do not worship the saints, we simply honer them.

  385. on 02 Mar 2013 at 12:47 am 385.the messenger said …

    Brother Solomon, in the bible it states that God referred to heaven as “his” Kingdom.

    God owns heaven, so therefore Jesus is god in human form.

  386. on 02 Mar 2013 at 3:58 am 386.alex said …

    s0l & messenger -> non gratis -> get the fuck out.

  387. on 02 Mar 2013 at 4:01 am 387.alex said …

    where are you, curm? socks? did 40yearold die?

  388. on 02 Mar 2013 at 4:58 am 388.DPK said …

    Mr. DPK, you have failed again. Saints are close to God, so we pray to the saints so that they will ask God to grant the prayer.

    But William, you told us before that god knows everything that is going to happen and everything happens according to his holy plan. Why would we need a saint who is “close to god” to ask him to answer a prayer? That’s retarded. God already knows your prayer, AND he already knows if he will answer it or ignore it. Is a saint going to make him change his mind?

    You keep constantly contradicting yourself. It must be very confusing to be you and always be chasing your tail.

  389. on 02 Mar 2013 at 7:10 am 389.s0l0m0n said …

    the messenger,

    Would it be much more comfortable if everyone could just pray directly to the true god, either than thru someone else. One might have their own secrets which they are reluctant to confess.In this case the true religion is a much better choice where one could directly report to god.

  390. on 02 Mar 2013 at 7:12 am 390.s0l0m0n said …

    And there ain’t any confusion regarding the true religion…ain’t it DPK?

  391. on 02 Mar 2013 at 7:31 pm 391.Anonymous said …

    Brother DPK, saints are not necessary for prayers to be answered, but we pray to them as a sign of respect to them. The saints did wonderful things on Earth before their deaths, so we honer them for their holy deeds by praying to them.

    I never contradict myself.

  392. on 02 Mar 2013 at 7:34 pm 392.the messenger said …

    comment 389 is my comment.

    Usually the computer adds in the information automatically, but this time it didn’t. My bad.

  393. on 02 Mar 2013 at 7:37 pm 393.the messenger said …

    Brother DPK, saints are not necessary for prayers to be answered, but we pray to them as a sign of respect to them. The saints did wonderful things on Earth before their deaths, so we honer them for their holy deeds by praying to them.
    I never contradict myself.

  394. on 02 Mar 2013 at 10:01 pm 394.the messenger said …

    Brother DPK, saints are not necessary for prayers to be answered, but we pray to them as a sign of respect to them. The saints did wonderful things on Earth before their deaths, so we honer them for their holy deeds by praying to them.
    I never contradict myself.

    ,

  395. on 02 Mar 2013 at 10:18 pm 395.DPK said …

    You just did. First you said you pray o saints because they are close to god, and that they are therefore in a better position to ask od to answer your prayer. God can’t do that because he already knows what will happen, and he knows whether he will answer your prayer before you even pray it. So you lied about that.
    Then you contradict yourself and say we pray to the saint as a sign of respect. If they are already in heaven, why do they need your respect? They have already received the greatest reward possible, right?
    So, make up another story about why you pray to a saint when it can have absolutely no possible effect on the actual outcome of the prayer request.

  396. on 04 Mar 2013 at 2:09 pm 396.Anonymous said …

    Classic sign of trolling or someone making shit up as they go along. Messenger boxes himself into a corner then disappears when challenged to explain his contradictory answers.

  397. on 04 Mar 2013 at 4:03 pm 397.DPK said …

    Yes, why would a saint be so presumptious as to ask god to change his mind about something, that in god’s transcendent reality, has already been decided?

    Reality according to Messenger:
    We pray to saints because they are close to god, so they are more likely to have god answer our prayers if they ask, see…
    Oh wait, we don’t ask them to do that, well, we do, but not really, it’s just, well see… you don’t understand. Jesus paid for… uh… Hell is eternal punishment, except you get out after a while, unless you’re really bad, and even then, no one stays there forever, that’s not what god means by eternity…. I gotta go… BTW, you can’t explain how the universe was created..

  398. on 04 Mar 2013 at 9:44 pm 398.the messenger said …

    Brother 395 DPK, I never stated that prayers were more likely to be answered because a saint is involved. I stated in comment 384 that God will answer prayers with or without the envolvement of a saint.

  399. on 05 Mar 2013 at 12:29 pm 399.DPK said …

    “Mr. DPK, you have failed again. Saints are close to God, so we pray to the saints so that they will ask God to grant the prayer.”

    Why do you find it necessary to lie about what you said, William?
    This seems to be a habit. You make a claim to explain something, and then later change your mind and claim you never said that. You must be a theologian.

  400. on 06 Mar 2013 at 3:14 am 400.the messenger said …

    DPK, that statement that you posted from my comment is useless in this argument because it has nothing to do with whether a prayer will be answered or not.

    I also stated the following sentence within the comment that you quoted thus proving that you are lying about me stating that prayer are more likely to be answered with the assistance of a saint.

    “praying to a saint is not required, God can answer your prayers either way.”

  401. on 06 Mar 2013 at 3:34 am 401.the messenger said …

    DPK, the sentence within the quotation marks below that you quoted does not even remotely suggest that your pitiful accusation concerning my comment is in any way true, due to the fact that it DOES NOT contain the statement of a saint’s assistance making a prayer more likely to compel Jesus to answer a prayer. This lie that you fabricated as a way of deceiving me is pathetic.

    “Mr. DPK, you have failed again. Saints are close to God, so we pray to the saints so that they will ask God to grant the prayer.”

  402. on 06 Mar 2013 at 3:35 am 402.the messenger said …

    DPK, that statement that you posted from my comment is useless in this argument because it has nothing to do with whether a prayer will be answered or not.
    I also stated the following sentence within the comment that you quoted thus proving that you are lying about me stating that prayer are more likely to be answered with the assistance of a saint.
    “praying to a saint is not required, God can answer your prayers either way.”:,

  403. on 06 Mar 2013 at 10:10 pm 403.the messenger said …

    I’m waiting for a responce.

    DPK.

  404. on 07 Mar 2013 at 9:15 pm 404.DPK said …

    What response? You said one thing, then when called on it you said something else.
    You’re obviously a liar and a basically dishonest person who cannot admit when he is wrong.
    I’m done with you. You are not a person of integrity.

    If your god is real, at least I will face him knowing that I was at least forthright with people.
    Can you say the same?

  405. on 18 Mar 2013 at 10:52 pm 405.T-boy said …

    Most people on this blog can’t say the same, Mr. DPK, theist, atheist or agnostic. I’m glad you are so exceedingly confident in your morality. Don’t use it to elevate yourself above people or anything. Oh wait…I forgot that’s a province resigned only to theists, right?

    Let’s get back on subject.

    My analysis:

    The pastor’s story is an explanation for what he is misinterpreting in Genesis as two creation events. (not that I share a fundamentalist view of Genesis, I’m educated enough to know that most of the stories in the old testament are syncretic.)

    Thomas’ critique is not only poorly crafted but it makes absolutely no sense.

    Why is this a rationalization?

    You have yet to tell us in any coherent way.

    Thomas’ conclusion is not supported by anything written in the story and he seems to only be interested in repeatedly asserting his position that God is a myth. With nothing related to the story supporting this claim, other than this man stated that he sees what he believes to be a contradiction.
    yet, Thomas seems to draw the conclusion that this somehow proves his presupposition…What?

    What does this man’s reconciling with himself or if you want to call it “rationalizing” have to do with your conclusion? It sounds too me like ol’ Tom just wants to point a finger and say…

    “SEE this guys was conflicted and contradicted himself!! That proves the bible’s a MYTH, Your God’s a MYTH and look how MYTHY this guy is! MYTH, MYTH, MYTH and you’re all STUPID for Believing MYTHS! Take that, stupid Theos! Ha I’m gonna go play Elder Scrolls now…oh,uh…I mean get laid!

    This way he gathers attention and an audience and gets to sound superior to all his fellow internet athiets Sorry, but I think this whole articles a big fail.

  406. on 01 Jul 2013 at 6:45 am 406.Bulls Wool said …

    Faith is a gift. Seek and you will find. Hey what if people believe how does that effect you? You would have to admit if everyone live the example of Jesus the world would be a better place hey. Cannot deny that. No murder, no drugs, etc etc etc

  407. on 01 Jul 2013 at 7:49 am 407.Fluttershy said …

    Yes, it would be great…

    I could do with a slave to whip and shit.
    Ohh, and i cant wait for all the gays to be sent to hell because having a genetic trait is a sin.
    Jesus is great.

    Dumbass….

  408. on 01 Jul 2013 at 12:00 pm 408.Curmudgeon said …

    Fluttershy,

    What a filthy mouth. Not good for a young lady.

  409. on 01 Jul 2013 at 12:24 pm 409.The messenger said …

    407.Fluttershy, Jesus does not support slavery.

  410. on 01 Jul 2013 at 12:45 pm 410.The messenger said …

    407.Fluttershy, Jesus does not hate gay people.

    Gay people can go to heaven.

  411. on 01 Jul 2013 at 12:48 pm 411.DPK said …

    And Crum, in typical third grade fashion, failing to have any real substance for his claims about his imaginary god-buddy, resorts to what is, in his mind, the ultimate personal insult… He intentionally referred to you as a female, a second class life form according to his holy book. I bet Fluttershy will be smarting from that clever retort for a while!
    Stellar Crum. You loving Christians never fail to reveal your true nature whenever your delusions are threatened, do you?

  412. on 01 Jul 2013 at 1:42 pm 412.Fluttershy said …

    “Fluttershy,
    What a filthy mouth. Not good for a young lady.”

    you say this AFTER you say that i am male? How odd…
    Well, i guess that women ARE second class life forms, and that they should do the dishes and whatnot.

    Anyway, nice offtopic post, now that i know i have a filthy mouth, this makes god all so clear…
    Yay.

    *offtopic, sorry*
    I can swear all i want, there is no “god” that will punish me for it.
    There is however, teachers, peers, adults, and my parents who WILL punish me if i use excessive language…(although….us aussies swear alot all the time…so, eh…)

    *on topic*
    Curm, why do you hide your delusion by being offtopic?
    Surely you realise that in order to gain knowledge, you have to post SOMETHING relevant to the debate? right?

  413. on 01 Jul 2013 at 2:16 pm 413.DPK said …

    Crum and the sock brigade are not interested in gaining knowledge. They are only interested in trying to sidetrack discussions that threaten their delusions. It’s called trolling. The brainwashing is strong with them.
    When the discussion turns to something that clearly makes them uncomfortable, they either lash out with a personal attack, create a straw man argument to argue against (the “Martin” sock is famous for this, creating elaborate “logical fallacies” that don’t exist) or try to take the discussion off topic by throwing in a red herring.
    Bottom line, none of them ever show us any actual evidence to suggest that their god, or ANY gods for that matter, actually exist.

  414. on 01 Jul 2013 at 8:34 pm 414.A said …

    Butterfly

    This is on topic. You need credibility. You have none. When all you have is lame obscenities like some rapper in concert you don’t get have any credibility or a response to your stupid questions. You are here just to be picked at

    You are dismissed. Go upstairs and spank yourself

  415. on 01 Jul 2013 at 8:55 pm 415.DPK said …

    Yes, Assman’s definition of “on topic” discussion is calling you a girl.
    Shows you his level of reasoning, and his mindset about gender. You are a girl, so no one is going to take anything you say seriously.
    Such is the thought pattern of the loving christian.
    No surprise there. Assman again runs away from any real argument and refuses to answer any questions because he thinks you are either female, or your choice of screen names indicates you are not up to his level of manliness. Either way, he hold you in contempt… but he loves you like his role model Jesus, who loves you unconditionally, but will send you to an eternity of hellfire if you don’t tow the line.
    Pathetic, isn’t it?

  416. on 01 Jul 2013 at 10:03 pm 416.A said …

    Hmmmm,

    LoL!! Dippy reads things into a post like he reads facts into assumptions!

    Anyone see anything about women int #412?

    LoL!!!!

    Dippy go find you a Charlie Mansion!!

  417. on 01 Jul 2013 at 10:10 pm 417.DPK said …

    Yup.. In the other thread posted at the same time you said:

    on 01 Jul 2013 at 8:38 pm 138.A said …
    I thought little girls named themselves after pink magical ponies? Is Butterfly a dude!!
    I adore woman. I have 3 very special ones in my life. They are liked pretty ponies when they were small. I see how Dippy thought Butterfly to be a gal.

    Or did you forget that you weren’t posting as Curm that time? Hahaha… Busted once again. Who do you think you are fooling? No one here is held in any more contempt than you. You are truly a pathetic excuse for a human being.

  418. on 01 Jul 2013 at 11:20 pm 418.A said …

    Skippy!!

    Did you confuse your threads now???!!!

    Yes, I’m sure anyone would mistake my “adoring” and “special” as contempt!!

    LoL!!!! Skippy I do love the reasoning. Thanks for the great laugh but you are “off topic” now aren’t you Skippy?

    Try to keep you threads straight Skippy or I will have you banned! Lol!!

  419. on 01 Jul 2013 at 11:46 pm 419.Fluttershy said …

    Actually, Fluttershy is yellow and pink…

    *ontopic*
    Are you going to post something relevant now?

  420. on 10 Jul 2014 at 10:49 pm 420.Atheistandfirmaboutit said …

    It’s really frightful to know these religions are mixing up with politics & the government.

    Delusional people attempting to run serious matters is the real reason the States is in the trouble it’s in.

    I’ve done study on a dozen or so religions & have found Christianity to be the most dangerous of them all. The sooner the States is back to its basics of more Atheists, separation of delusion & State the better.

  421. on 11 Jul 2014 at 1:11 am 421.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “found Christianity to be the most dangerous of them all.”

    ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!

    Ohhhh, that was so funny! What a hilarious claim!!!!

    Mr Firm thanks for the comedy bit. Where do you do this “study” on religions? Lol!!!!!! On WWGHA? On atheist blogs? Maybe the Richard Dawkins school of world religions? Lol!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks friend!

  422. on 11 Jul 2014 at 11:50 am 422.alex said …

    “Ohhhh, that was so funny! What a hilarious claim!!!!”

    oh, look. the motherfucker is amused. just chomping at the bit, trolling in a desperate attempt to try to bring back the hitler debate shit.

    check his book at: http://goo.gl/UYo1uS

    do a find on ‘lol’ and you’ll see that the motherfucker posted it 731 times in the context of some smart ass remark. nothing from this motherfucker even remotely proves his god. instead he delivers lame sarcasm, while looking around, hoping for some kind of amen.

    no fluff for you? oh well. you can always bring back your other fucked up personas, martin, rl wooten, et all.

    keep up the bullshit, motherfucker.

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