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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 21 Jan 2013 12:06 am

Deepak Chopra starts making excuses for God

Deepak Chopra has started a new series of Blog Posts in which he asks the following question:

We Could Use God’s Help – Where Is He?

What if we erase the slate and look clearly at the situation. Something terrible happens, people suffer, they implore God for help, but no help comes. If such a thing occurred when a house caught fire and the fire trucks never came, naturally the blame would fall on those who are assigned to rescue us. Is it fair to apply the same standard to a God who fails to show up?

Is it fair to apply the same standard to a God who fails to show up? Yes, of course it is. God is supposed to be omnibenevolent and perfectly moral. If God sees suffering and takes no action, then he violates these principles. There is no way that a perfectly moral being (who is also omnipotent) can see someone suffering and stand by without helping. This is explained by God himself (in the form of Jesus) in this parable:

Luke 10:25-37
New International Version (NIV)

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

If God exists, then “Go and do likewise” applies to God as well. The fact that God ignores all of the tragedy on earth proves that God is imaginary. Strange that Chopra cannot see that.

99 Responses to “Deepak Chopra starts making excuses for God”

  1. on 21 Jan 2013 at 5:09 pm 1.The messenger said …

    God is in heaven. He is all ways watching over us.

  2. on 21 Jan 2013 at 6:00 pm 2.JALindsay said …

    I know you’re aware of it already, but it’s only as “strange” as Deepak Chopra is intellectually honest about a line of BS he makes a whole lot of money on.

  3. on 21 Jan 2013 at 8:09 pm 3.Martin said …

    “God is supposed to be omnibenevolent and perfectly moral.”

    Whose morality? Atheist’s or God’s?

  4. on 21 Jan 2013 at 9:50 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    Once again we see the fucktard troll Martin ignore the subject of the OP and try to divert the subject with a desperate strawman.

    Martin, try not to be such an asshole, it’s really getting boring.

    (1) Explain to us the moral values that go along with a so-called god that ignores all the tragedy on this earth and whose interaction is completely indistinguishable from non-existence.

    (2) Martin, do *you* consider a god that ignores suffering to be an exemplar of moral values?

  5. on 21 Jan 2013 at 10:13 pm 5.Martin said …

    “whose (God) interaction is completely indistinguishable from non-existence.”

    Since you have only witnessed existence or non-existence, how can you make the argument you can distinguish existence from non-existence? Would this claim not be fallacious since you cannot have such data available?

    “do *you* consider a god that ignores suffering to be an exemplar of moral values?”

    Whose morality would I be using? Atheist’s or God’s?

  6. on 21 Jan 2013 at 10:36 pm 6.DPK said …

    “do *you* consider a god that ignores suffering to be an exemplar of moral values?”

    Whose morality would I be using? Atheist’s or God’s?

    Nice try at a dodge… how about “yours”?

    Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values? Simple question… “yes” or “no” will suffice.
    But I predict neither will be forthcoming.

  7. on 22 Jan 2013 at 1:51 am 7.A said …

    ‘If God exists, then “Go and do likewise” applies to God as well.”

    So blogmaster has given God a command. Let me know how that goes. But blogo respond to this question. How are you doing with “go and do likewise?” If past research is any indicator, atheists as a group are the worst when it comes to generosity.

    But blogo inadvertently does present a point in the theist’s favor. God has commanded man to take care of those in need. We do not do our job and somehow God is supposed to defer his command since his creation will not conform. Such a childlike view of the Supreme deity is creepy.

  8. on 22 Jan 2013 at 3:10 am 8.Anonymous said …

    Oh dear, A (Martin, by another name), you’ve gone and fucked yourself royally here:

    “God has commanded man to take care of those in need.”

    (1) Which god? Ra, Zeus, Odin? You need to be specific.

    (2) Where are these commands. SPECIFICALLY what did he command ((or are you just making shit up?)

    (3) How do you KNOW that this was a command from some god and not the ramblings of the mentally ill or uneducated bronze-age desert nomads?

    “We do not do our job and somehow God is supposed to defer his command since his creation will not conform.”

    (4) So this is not an omnipotent or omniscience god? Which makes (1-3) even more puzzling. WHICH god are you talking about here?

    (5) Why is this god giving orders that are not being followed? Is he impotent or just imaginary?

    (6) Why does this god’s followers have such terrible moral values that they disobey their god? He’s not much of an inspiring leader, is he?

    Please break with your tradition and answer questions.

  9. on 22 Jan 2013 at 4:38 am 9.DPK said …

    ASShole farted:

    “If past research is any indicator, atheists as a group are the worst when it comes to generosity.”

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz8r6uEV8Z1qabgb9o1_500.jpg

  10. on 22 Jan 2013 at 9:02 am 10.Anonymous said …

    Oh, and Martin, which morality is on display here?

    Would that be “god’s” morality, or just plain old child-raping Christian morality?

    Is your obsession with getting others to define morality simply to divert from your personal acceptance of child-rape?

    How many little boys do you consider it moral to fuck? At what point does it become “creepy” and child-like in your mind to disagree with a so-called supreme deity that directs his followers to stick their dicks in the behind of children? 100, 1000? – it’s clearly not zero. As emotional disturbing as it will be, do please clue us in on your hypocritical theology.

    Better yet, perhaps you should stop digging yourself into a hole and try to provide us evidence for the existence of sky daddy? Whilst that’s going to be a barrel of laughs, at least we won’t be so disgusted with your obvious double standards.

  11. on 22 Jan 2013 at 11:40 am 11.Martin said …

    (1) Which god? Ra, Zeus, Odin? You need to be specific.

    That would be the one the thread is addressing in Luke 10 above.

    (2) Where are these commands. SPECIFICALLY what did he command

    They are in Luke 10 as posted in the subject of the thread.

    3) How do you KNOW that this was a command from some god and not the ramblings of the mentally ill or uneducated bronze-age desert nomads?”

    The blogmaster has agreed that this was the command of Jesus as posted in the thread above. I take it you don’t agree with the teaching?

    Rather than getting off topic with the rest of your questions, see post #5.
    ___________________

    “whose (God) interaction is completely indistinguishable from non-existence.”

    Since you have only witnessed existence or non-existence, how can you make the argument you can distinguish existence from non-existence? Would this claim not be fallacious since you cannot have such data available?

    “do *you* consider a god that ignores suffering to be an exemplar of moral values?”

    Whose morality would I be using? Atheist’s or God’s?

  12. on 22 Jan 2013 at 1:24 pm 12.Anonymous said …

    Once again Martin tries to duck the questions and refers to other people’s comments. It’s all about avoidance isn’t it?

    What’s the matter, afraid to commit to an answer because you know once you do you’ll be asked to tell us why YOU believe what YOU do.

    Seeing as A/Martin refuses to provide direct answers, yet demands answers to his/her/its strawman arguments, the point is proven. “Martin” is another dishonest poster only intent in diverting the OP away from the theist’s burden of proving the existence of their imaginary friend.

  13. on 22 Jan 2013 at 4:35 pm 13.DPK said …

    11 Martin:
    6.DPK said …
    “Whose morality would I be using? Atheist’s or God’s?
    Nice try at a dodge… how about “yours”?
    Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values? Simple question… “yes” or “no” will suffice.

    But I predict neither will be forthcoming….”

    My prophetic powers are undeniable, eh?

    Martin, you are such a fraud. Why are you theists always so afraid to answer a direct question? What is it that you are trying to hide?

  14. on 22 Jan 2013 at 5:00 pm 14.Anonymous said …

    “Martin, you are such a fraud”

    No doubt.

    This is the same poster who wants to proclaim himself a judge of “logical arguments”, yet all he does is to create strawman versions of other people’s positions. Note how he quickly he runs for cover when challenged to perform the task he claims others cannot.

    Come-on Martin. We are still waiting for you to (a) directly name the deity that you vaguely reference in your diversions and (b) provide the logical argument for the existence of said deity.

    If you can’t prove it, then admit it. But you also need to stop arguing that people can’t disprove these claims until you can prove the positive.

    People like you who make up fake versions of other people’s arguments yet refuse to even try prove the existence of this supposedly omnipowerful “god” are not only utterly dishonest and untrustworthy, but most likely extremely delusional.

  15. on 22 Jan 2013 at 6:41 pm 15.Martin said …

    If fraud in your vernacular means I stay on subject and asking probing question regarding comments made on this post, OK I agree.

    You refuse to answer two simple question pertinent to the discussion as outlined in the thread. I do believe you would rather discuss people, use fallacies and dismiss uncomfortable questions. I will again reference you to #5 or #3 if you care to answer either question. I will not be wavering off topic so you can chase your rabbits.

  16. on 22 Jan 2013 at 7:24 pm 16.Anonymous said …

    Typical troll remarks by “Martin”. He refuses to answer questions and tries to avoid facing his delusion by insisting that everyone else is beholding to him.

    Again, we are waiting for you to prove that your god exists. We are waiting for you to provide specifics regarding your religion’s moral code. We are waiting for you to explain why your theology allows and celebrates child rape. The list goes on.

    That you squirm and lie to avoid taking responsibility for your burden just adds to your embarrassment and hopelessness.

  17. on 22 Jan 2013 at 8:01 pm 17.Martin said …

    Anonymous I understand your frustration. The questions have you upset and confused. I will stick with the thread topic. It is possible another poster might want to engage in a real discussion and not your hijacking tactics.

  18. on 22 Jan 2013 at 9:05 pm 18.DPK said …

    Oh Martin, you sad troll… we ARE on topic… let’s review:
    in your post “3.Martin said …“God is supposed to be omnibenevolent and perfectly moral.”
    Whose morality? Atheist’s or God’s?

    Now, since you have not shown that there is any such thing as either an “atheist’s morality” or a “god’s morality”, the question was answered “your morality”… assuming you have one. You made vague reference to Luke 10 with “love your neighbor as yourself”. If that 3rd grade concept of morality is all you got, then this should be easy for you.

    On topic… which btw, is “making excuses for god”:

    Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values? Simple question… “yes” or “no” will suffice.
    But again, I predict neither will be forthcoming.

  19. on 22 Jan 2013 at 10:07 pm 19.Martin said …

    “The fact that God ignores all of the tragedy on earth proves that God is imaginary.”

    Lets look at this statement from the blogmaster

    1. God ignores all tragedies (his claim)
    2. If God was real, He would not ignore tragedies (his claim)
    3. Therefore, God is not real

    Once again, fallacious reasoning. Human beings all over the world ignore tragedies right in front of their eyes and yet they do exist. I thought I would add this to the long lists of problems with the blogamsters claims.

    How does He know God ignores ALL tragedies?
    How does He know God’s plan?
    How does He know God is doing nothing?

  20. on 22 Jan 2013 at 10:16 pm 20.DPK said …

    Martin, your ADD is showing.
    Why won’t you answer the question?

    “Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values?”

    It’s really not that hard of a question. Once you come to grips with that, then we can discuss whether or not your postulated god does or does not in fact “ignores suffering and inflicts pain”. But can we agree at least, that an omni-benevolent god who is perfectly moral, according to YOUR definition of morality, would not “ignore suffering and inflict pain”?

  21. on 22 Jan 2013 at 11:51 pm 21.Martin said …

    DPK, there is no question to answer. You must first establish the question is legitimate by supporting the question’s premises. You and the others have failed to do so. If you can offer some solutions to the problems I have provided we might be able to proceed.

    DPK unfortunately you and anonymous seem more interested in juvenile taunts and names rather than a real discussion.

  22. on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:13 am 22.DPK said …

    And you seem more interested in evading question that you think will expose your delusion. There is no premise to be validated here. The question is simple and straightforward and does not need conditions.

    “Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values.”

    Your refusal to answer even he simplistic of yes or no questions is very puzzling.
    Haha… No actually it int puzzling at all, is it. We all know exactly why you won’t answer. Because to do so will lead to you, like the charlatan Chopra, having to start the circular path of making excuses for god.

    So thank ou Martin, for making the point for us in a very poignant way.
    You may now leave and return as Ass or Rostram to try and change the subject.
    My, you are tedious.

  23. on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:55 am 23.alex said …

    evading, ignoring, covering. see: http://goo.gl/WPelN

    but redemption is but a prayer away. puleez.

  24. on 23 Jan 2013 at 2:09 am 24.DPK said …

    “Once again, fallacious reasoning. Human beings all over the world ignore tragedies right in front of their eyes and yet they do exist.”

    True, so then the only logical conclusions are; if this god does exist, he is either not perfectly moral, like people, or he is not omnipotent, like people. Either that, or he simply does not exist. Which is it, Martin?

  25. on 23 Jan 2013 at 2:43 am 25.Lou said …

    “This is explained by God himself (in the form of Jesus) in this parable:”

    How does a command given by God to men apply to God? God has his role but so does men. What a ridiculous example.

  26. on 23 Jan 2013 at 3:40 am 26.Lou(DFW) said …

    25.Louser said …

    “How does a command given by God to men apply to God? God has his role but so does men. What a ridiculous example.”

    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-910282

  27. on 23 Jan 2013 at 4:03 am 27.DPK said …

    So, your excuse for your god now is “do as I say, not as I do.”
    Ok. That the best you got?

  28. on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:07 pm 28.A said …

    “Once again Martin tries to duck the questions and refers to other people’s comments. It’s all about avoidance isn’t it?”

    Imagine that anon-ymouse, he actually responds to the subject of the thread rather than the atheist parrots.

    What does anony-mouse do? He responds to other peoples comments, namely martin! Secondly, he ducks Martin’s questions! lol!!

    Let me speak in your language. AWK!!!

  29. on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:46 pm 29.MrQ said …

    A *cough cough* What happened to you and Castbound when we were all attempting to have a rational discourse on a previous thread? *cough cough* AWK!!! indeed.

  30. on 23 Jan 2013 at 3:49 pm 30.DPK said …

    The faithful’s responses in this thread serve as a perfect example of exactly what the topic was about… making excuses for god.
    Rules about god.
    1.God is perfect, moral, and all loving.
    2. If god exhibits behavior that is obviously not perfect, moral, and all loving… refer to rule #1.

    More left turns than a Nascar race.

    And, after being asked flat out multiple time to answer a simple yes or no question, Martin disappears and “Ass” shows up to try and divert attention. Just as predicted. This troll is as obvious as a turd on a white carpet, and just as foul.

  31. on 23 Jan 2013 at 5:07 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    3.Martin/Mitch/ASS said …

    “Whose morality? Atheist’s or God’s?”

    ASS you intentionally worded the question so it can’t answered, well at least not honestly, something that you’re not capable of.

    1. There’s no such thing as atheist morality.
    2. There’s no such thing as god’s morality.

    If there is, then please provide it. But, you won’t. You will remain as always, a troll, a liar, a fraud, and a theist.

  32. on 23 Jan 2013 at 7:00 pm 32.Lou said …

    Well can’t argue with DFW there. No such thing as atheist morality

  33. on 23 Jan 2013 at 7:21 pm 33.Lou(DFW) said …

    32.Louser said …

    “Well can’t argue with DFW there. No such thing as atheist morality”

    That’s right, there’s no such thing as atheist morality anymore than there is god’s morality or xtian morality. So what? How is that evidence that your imaginary god is real, or are you simply attempting to divert attention to the fact that you have none?

    Louser, is there a god-given absolute morality? It’s a simple yes or no question. Unless you answer, then I can only assume that you agree with my comment 31.Lou(DFW) to which you referred.

  34. on 23 Jan 2013 at 9:58 pm 34.Lou(DFW) said …

    3.Martin/Mitch/ASS said …

    “Whose morality? Atheist’s or God’s?”

    Both your comment and the one to which you referred are irrelevant because the imaginary god’s reactions to “Something terrible happens, people suffer, they implore God for help…” is EXACTLY the same as if god doesn’t exist – “…no help comes.” But, it’s not because imaginary god is or isn’t “omnibenevolent and perfectly moral.” It’s simply obvious that god is imaginary. If he isn’t, then please present your evidence for your imaginary god – it’s that simple, but you can’t do it.

  35. on 24 Jan 2013 at 12:30 am 35.alex said …

    jesus proof: http://goo.gl/zjTE2

    har fucking har.

  36. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:14 am 36.Curmudgeon said …

    I use to believe alex was the most intellectually challenged atheist here but I now think it must be Lou(dfw). He once claimed Metaphysics is useless and now he claims atheist morality doesn’t exist.

    Amazing, how to battle such ignorance?

  37. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:20 am 37.The messenger said …

    God doesn’t igrore us, Thomas.

    He loves us all and after death, he lets us go to heaven if we have been good people on earth. If we live siful lives we will go to hell and stay there until our sentence is up.

  38. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:37 am 38.DPK said …

    Curm reappears after “Martin” and the other socks are humiliated.
    Curm, despite your myopic inability to think on your own, please show us “atheist morality” that you claim exists.
    You are an idiot. Atheism is disbelief in supernatural gods. No more, no less. There is no “atheist morality” any more than there is a “people who don’t like broccoli” morality, or a “people who don’t believe in fairies” morality.
    Care to show us otherwise?

  39. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:37 am 39.alex said …

    “I use to believe alex was the most intellectually challenged atheist…”

    and? i already tolya. i’m the dumbest motherfucker in here. is this your god proof? i’m also wrong on all counts, so that confirms your bullshit monotheistic god, yes? since all the other gods exist.

    fucken sock puppet moron.

  40. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:52 am 40.The messenger said …

    Brother 39.alex, I don’t mean this as an insult ok, I am really serious when I say this, you need help. I honestly do not think that you are mentally alright, please get help as soon as possible.

  41. on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:11 am 41.Lou(DFW) said …

    36.Crumb said …

    “I use to believe…”

    Nobody cares what you “use” to believe.

    “Lou(dfw)…claims atheist morality doesn’t exist. Amazing, how to battle such ignorance?”

    Easy, you moron, provide the “atheist morality!” Indeed, how to battle such ignorance?! It baffles the imagination to think that you can be so utterly stupid, so you really can’t be, can you? The only other explanation is that you are simply a pathetic liar.

  42. on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:43 am 42.Lou(DFW) said …

    36.Crumb said …

    “Lou(dfw)..once claimed Metaphysics is useless”

    Actually, I didn’t make that claim. Regardless, your prior use of it then and reference to it now hasn’t served to distract anybody from the fact that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god, and that you can’t provide your alleged god-given absolute morality nor alleged atheist morality – fraud.

  43. on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:15 pm 43.DPK said …

    41.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Easy, you moron, provide the “atheist morality!”

    Should we tell him about the secret atheist handshake and what REALLY happens in the restaurant once all the theists leave? I mean when we roast the babies on the BBQ pit and drink the blood of virgins and all that atheist stuff?

  44. on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:58 pm 44.Anonymous said …

    Well, better for Curm to try to change the subject from the the non-existent Christian moral code, or proof of the existence of their supposed-god, then attend to actual matters of reality.

    It’s astonishing that someone can be so deluded to claim that their imaginary god is the source of morality when that god’s earthly representatives systematically abuse their power to rape children with impunity. That the church had no issue covering up these acts further questions just how seriously (or not) the church believes its own propaganda about sin.

    But then, the church is all about power, isn’t it?

    On the other hand, our little troll Messenger will probably now tell us that as the ten commandments doesn’t specifically say “priests should not stick their dicks up the ass of little boys” so, maybe, it’s not against the Xtian moral code after all? That – and their god being imaginary – would explain why their god didn’t stop those rapes, right?

    So Curm, just where was your god when those priests were speaking for him by raping some 100,000 little kids in the last half-century in the name of the church?

    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AtAGlance/data.htm

  45. on 24 Jan 2013 at 5:36 pm 45.Lou(DFW) said …

    44.Anonymous said …

    “So Curm, just where was your god when those priests were speaking for him by raping some 100,000 little kids…?”

    I just want to see the god-given absolute moral code. It’s written-down somewhere, right? So what’s the problem Crumb-fraud producing it?

  46. on 24 Jan 2013 at 5:38 pm 46.DPK said …

    37.The messenger said …
    “God doesn’t igrore us, Thomas.
    He loves us all and after death, he lets us go to heaven if we have been good people on earth. If we live siful lives we will go to hell and stay there until our sentence is up.”

    William, you have been told over and over… according to the official DOCTRINE of the Catholic Church… no one gets out of hell. Hell is forever, for ALL Eternity…. A DOCTRINE is something you MUST believe if you are a catholic. If you defy DOCTRINE, you are excommunicated, and you will be joining all us atheists in hell… for ALL ETERNITY.
    How does that strike you? A god who will punish you for your transgression for ever and ever and ever. Doesn’t sound too merciful and loving to me.

    Notice that your posted ten commandments have a whole bunch of directives aimed at making sure you don’t worship any other gods (seriously, wouldn’t ONE have done) but none that say “thou shalt not own slaves” or “thou shalt not ass rape little children” or “thou shalt not protect pedophiles from legal authorities”, or even, “thou shalt not adorn thyself in gold, precious jewels, and Gucci loafers and amass a fortune larger than many entire nations while children starve to death daily”. Hmmm.. seems these commandments were more likely written by clerics interested in maintaining control over their “flocks” than by some perfect, magnanimous being. You are what is known in the vernacular as a “sucker”, and indeed, there is one of you born every minute.

  47. on 24 Jan 2013 at 6:14 pm 47.Lou(DFW) said …

    40.The messenger said …

    “Brother 39.alex, I don’t mean this as an insult ok…”

    Yes you do.

    “I am really serious when I say this, you need help. I honestly do not think that you are mentally alright, please get help as soon as possible.”

    Why don’t you simply pray for him?

  48. on 24 Jan 2013 at 6:55 pm 48.DPK said …

    “Why don’t you simply pray for him?”

    Why would he pray for him? Didn’t god make Alex exactly as he is for a reason? Messenger already told us many times that everything that happens, yes, even the Holocaust, happened because god had a reason for it, and it happened exactly the way god wanted? Why would messenger want Alex to defy almighty god and “get help”. If Alex is supposed to “get help” won’t god provide it for him?

    Since god created me with a skeptical personality, and um, a brain… and god never “revealed” himself to me, I can only assume god WANTS me to be atheistic. Right? All these stupid theists are trying to battle against gods plan… aren’t they? They are all doing the work of….. SATAN!!!!
    Go to confession right now, all of you. Confess to the evil you have done and pray that god will forgive you for working against his holy plan.

  49. on 24 Jan 2013 at 9:19 pm 49.Dez said …

    After reading Chopra’s blog post I fail to see any excuse? What I saw was a resolution enlightening the nature of God. Where was the excuse he made?

  50. on 24 Jan 2013 at 9:23 pm 50.Anonymous said …

    A, Chris, Curmudgeon, Dez, Rostam, Lou, Xenon – No wonder there’s a strange odor in here, the place is full of socks!

  51. on 24 Jan 2013 at 9:55 pm 51.Lou(DFW) said …

    49.Dizzy said …

    “After reading Chopra’s blog post I fail to see any excuse? What I saw was a resolution enlightening the nature of God.

    First of all, what Chopra writes is mostly nonsensical babbling of little or no substance. That’s how makes a living off of suckers like you. But hey, what’s new in theology and religion?

    “Where was the excuse he made?”

    “[Y]ou take on faith that his infinite wisdom reaches beyond our limited perspective – in other words, suffering fits into the divine plan.”

    Apparently, imaginary god doesn’t hold himself to the same moral standards to which he holds man. But, if man causes suffering to the extent that imaginary god does, then it’s also part of imaginary god’s plan.

    Or -

    30.DPK said …

    The faithful’s responses in this thread serve as a perfect example of exactly what the topic was about… making excuses for god.

    Rules about god.
    1.God is perfect, moral, and all loving.
    2. If god exhibits behavior that is obviously not perfect, moral, and all loving… refer to rule #1.

    More left turns than a Nascar race.

  52. on 25 Jan 2013 at 2:24 am 52.The messenger said …

    Brother 46.DPK, it is not me who fails to understand Catholic doctrine, it is you who fails to understand it.

  53. on 25 Jan 2013 at 2:27 am 53.The messenger said …

    Brother 47.Lou(DFW), I honestly did not mean that as an insult. I honestly think that there is something wrong with Alex and I think that he should get help.

    I did pray for him, and I prayed for you too.

  54. on 25 Jan 2013 at 2:28 am 54.The messenger said …

    I am still praying now.

  55. on 25 Jan 2013 at 5:12 pm 55.DPK said …

    52.The messenger said …

    Brother 46.DPK, it is not me who fails to understand Catholic doctrine, it is you who fails to understand it.

    Here is the official teaching of your church according to Pope Joh Paul II. I know most of the words are too big for you, so I have pasted the important, relevant section for you:
    http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2heavn.htm

    Hell is the State of Those who Reject God

    …It is precisely this tragic situation that Christian doctrine explains when it speaks of ETERNAL damnation or hell. It is not a punishment imposed externally by God but a development of premises already set by people in this life…

    Hell is a state of ETERNAL DAMNATION.

    …the New Testament presents the place destined for evildoers as a fiery furnace, where people will “weep and gnash their teeth” (Mt 13:42; cf. 25:30, 41), or like Gehenna with its “unquenchable fire” (Mk 9:43). All this is narrated in the parable of the rich man, which explains that hell is a place of ETERNAL suffering, with NO POSSIBILITY of return, nor of the alleviation of pain (cf. Lk. 16:19-3 1).

    “Eternal damnation”, therefore, is not attributed to God’s initiative because in his merciful love he can only desire the salvation of the beings he created. In reality, it is the creature who closes himself to his love. Damnation consists precisely in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person and confirmed with death that seals his choice FOR EVER. God’s judgement ratifies this state.

    Now William… go look up the definitions of ETERNAL and FOREVER. Then admit you are wrong and go tell the priest you need to be forgiven for being a heretic.

  56. on 26 Jan 2013 at 7:38 am 56.My loving brother,U gave many explanations that god is imaginary,but brother just think if you were an orphan your mother and father left you,if somebody comes to u and ask u that if u are an orphan then where are you from or who gave u the birth,I don't said …

    Brother never think that god is no where or he is imaginary but it has been also said: that never think that nobody has seen him(GOD) but the one who is from the father they have seen him.

  57. on 27 Jan 2013 at 7:28 pm 57.Scourge said …

    # 56 Your obvious brilliance outshines the likes of the cleverly encoded brilliance of #36 Cur-Mudgeon

    cur- a mongrel dog, especially a worthless or unfriendly one.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cur

    mudgeon- vagina

    “Any doctor that claims he or she can assist you in your mythical creature quest via nip/tuck to the mudgeon is steering you wrong.”

    -Vesta Vayne

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mudgeon

  58. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:41 pm 58.Lesbian carwasher said …

    43.DPK said …

    41.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Easy, you moron, provide the “atheist morality!”

    “Should we tell him about the secret atheist handshake and what REALLY happens in the restaurant once all the theists leave? I mean when we roast the babies on the BBQ pit and drink the blood of virgins and all that atheist stuff?”

    i lol’d

  59. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:03 pm 59.MattD said …

    Mental illness and christianity….obviously a bad mix.

  60. on 12 Feb 2013 at 11:43 pm 60.Anon said …

    It’s simple, christards like The messenger and s0l0m0n are just fucked up in the head.

  61. on 03 Mar 2013 at 11:01 pm 61.the messenger said …

    Brother 55. DPK, Hell was eternal; until God came down from Heaven as Jesus and open the gates of heaven, proved to creation that he can forgive all sins, and started the tradition of baptism (the washing away of sins).

    God loves all people, nomatter who they are or what sins they have committed. therefore he will forgive all people.( in heaven or in hell )

  62. on 05 Mar 2013 at 3:01 am 62.alex said …

    go to your room messenger. quit making up shit. you and your brother s0l are nongratis. shut the fuck up.

  63. on 16 Mar 2013 at 12:57 pm 63.Ambassador said …

    1 Timothy Chapter 4
    1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

    4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

    5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

  64. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:03 pm 64.Ambassador said …

    Romans 3:23
    King James Version (KJV)
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

  65. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:10 pm 65.Ambassador said …

    John 16:33
    King James Version (KJV)
    33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

  66. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:24 pm 66.Ambassador said …

    Romans Chapter 1
    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

  67. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:46 pm 67.Ambassador said …

    King James was sickly having crippling arthritis, weak limbs, abdominal colic, gout, and a number of other chronic illnesses. He also had physical handicaps which affected his legs and tongue. Coupled with numerous attempts on his life, he required constant attention and watchcare.

  68. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:49 pm 68.Ambassador said …

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

  69. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:50 pm 69.Ambassador said …

    2 Corinthians 12:6-8
    King James Version (KJV)
    6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

    7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

    8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

  70. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:58 pm 70.Ambassador said …

    Obadiah 1:15 “The day of the LORD is near for all nations. As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.

  71. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:00 pm 71.Ambassador said …

    (1 John 2:18 KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

  72. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:03 pm 72.Ambassador said …

    Luke 23:34
    King James Version (KJV)
    34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

  73. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:13 pm 73.Ambassador said …

    It’s important to remember that an Atheist needs to honestly accept Christ into their heart to become a Christian. This act is not something that can be forced on another person. At some point, you may need to accept and respect their decision to not seek salvation through Christianity.

    Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. (Leviticus 19:17-19)

  74. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:30 pm 74.Ambassador said …

    I did not believe Santa was real when I was a
    kid. But I still Got presents under the tree.
    Just like you don’t have to believe in God,
    but he still left a present on the tree.
    HONOR THY MOTHER AND FATHER>
    Thanks mom and dad for the Christmas gifts even though
    I was a hard-headed son who didn’t deserve it!
    LOVE THY LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART>
    Thanks God For sending your son to die for my sins
    even though I am a Hard-headed son who doesn’t deserve
    it! – GOD BLESS YOU ALL especially Atheist!!!

  75. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:31 pm 75.MrQ said …

    What a load of shit from the ambassador. Loads of bible quotes to try and prove what exactly?

    Ambassador: Why didn’t act honestly, open your heart and eyes, and accept Allah into your heart? At some point Muslims will need to accept that you will remain a blind christian (equal in value to a slimy atheist, in their view). The Muslims will need to accept and respect your ignorance of religion.

    Between you and me, though, if you see a Muslim and hear that he/she is ticking, you better run like hell. Just a little free advice.

  76. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:50 pm 76.alex said …

    Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, motherfucker. if i find your ass, fucking around on sunday, i will stone you with little rocks until you ouch.

  77. on 16 Mar 2013 at 5:58 pm 77.DPK said …

    “74.Ambassador said …

    I did not believe Santa was real when I was a
    kid. But I still Got presents under the tree.
    Just like you don’t have to believe in God,
    but he still left a present on the tree.”

    WTF?
    This is the stupidest thing I’ve heard yet from a theist. You STILL got a present…. BUT SANTA ISN’T REAL!!!
    Just like your imaginary god… who you ALSO think gives you presents… he doesn’t… because, just like SANTA, if is imaginary.
    How come you were bright enough to figure out Santa wasn’t real, but you still think there is an invisible man who listens to your thoughts, answers your prayers (while letting almost 10 million people starve to death every year, no less) and will take you away to a magical kingdom in the sky when you die… IF you worship him and try not to do bad things.
    Seriously?
    Unless you want to start a bible quoting war, take your King James crap elsewhere. For every inspirational quote you can cut and paste I can find one that will make your hair stand on end.

  78. on 16 Mar 2013 at 8:56 pm 78.The messenger said …

    77.DPK, I feel sorry for you.

  79. on 16 Mar 2013 at 11:58 pm 79.alex said …

    go away messenger, nongratis#1.

  80. on 23 Mar 2013 at 12:43 am 80.Adam said …

    There was a hurricane. A man was trap on his roof, praying to God to come to rescue him, and suddenly some people on a boat come around the corner asking if he needed help, he said no I’m waiting for God to save me, so they went on their way. The storm is starting to get worse so the man again prays to God to rescue him, another boat comes along and ask if he needs help, just like the first time the man says no I’m waiting for God to save me. The storm now is great really really bad. The man prays to God, please God help me! A helicopter comes by and ask if he needs help, and just like the first and second time the man says no I’m waiting for God to help me. Now the hurricane is here and its so bad that the man drowned, when he got to Heaven he ask God, God why didn’t you help me when I prayed to you? God replied I sent 2 boats and a helicopter, what more do you want?

  81. on 23 Mar 2013 at 12:50 am 81.alex said …

    “God replied I sent 2 boats and a helicopter, what more do you want?”

    in other words, anything that happens is because god did it? is that it? if not, then god didn’t really send the fucking boats/chopper did he? if it’s true, then do you have insurance? do you fasten your seat belts? put on your condom before fucking a prostitute? why do you do all these things if god does everything?

    you don’t really think, he sent the boats/choppers? why do you go around telling bullshit stories? dude, this is an atheist site.

  82. on 23 Mar 2013 at 4:16 am 82.The messenger said …

    81.alex, you are so misinformed.

    God does not do everything, he just plans out everything.

    God wants us to better ourselves and the rest of mankind by learning how to keep our selves safe from harm.

    Buckling our seat belts, and having insurance is a part of God’s plan.
    God wants us to learn to make smart, and safe decisions.

  83. on 23 Mar 2013 at 4:29 am 83.The messenger said …

    Brother 76.alex, Jesus taught us not to stone people in this passage.

    8 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees *brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, 4 they *said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” 6 They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. 7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. 10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said, “No one, [b]Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”]

    This passage means that only people who have never sinned are allowed to punish or order someone else to punish bad people. Therefore, sense God is the only man who has never sinned, he is the only person who can punish bad people, or order someone else to punish bad people.

  84. on 03 May 2013 at 5:28 pm 84.A Fellow Sinner said …

    Let me ask you something. Would you rather live in a country where a dictator rules over you and tells you ever move you must make and your family must make? Or would you prefer to live in a free society where you can make your own decisions and raise your family as you please?

    Our Father in Heaven is not a dictator. He created GOOD and we have a choice. We can choose darkness or we can choose light.

    In this parable our Lord and Savior is HELPING us by guiding us toward that light, as he did constantly during his ministry.

    If he were speaking to the righteous, who are humble and had already accepted God’s Word, then you might have a point. Because God DOES direct those people. But he was not. He was speaking to those who had not accepted His Word:

    “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:32

  85. on 20 Oct 2013 at 11:02 pm 85.7 heavens said …

    May it come to all and will come to all but by thy own earnship that at that moment when your gift of life expires and suddenly it all comes to real that you find yourself standing in front of the most high and then reality hits home like a thunder bolt that therr is no second chance at your previous doings I only pray that our lord has pitty on yous all, a very sad night for me to hav left this notice I will indeed pray for every 1 connected to the site good nite to you all and god bless, and remember that satan is out to deceive as many as he can please dont be 1of them

  86. on 21 Oct 2013 at 12:19 pm 86.Angus and Alexis said …

    You realize atheists do not believe in prayer, Satan or your god, right?

    Your prayer is meaningless to me.

  87. on 10 Nov 2013 at 12:50 am 87.anonymus said …

    This website is stupid GOD IS REAL AND SO IS JESUS U WILL BE PUNISHED WHEN HE COME AND HE WILL BE COMING SOON AND SO YOU WILL BE SENT TO HELL IF YOU DONT FORGIVE TO YOUR CREATOR AND SAVIOR! DO YOU UNDERSTAND! YOU MADE THE WRONG CHOICE AND WHEN HE COMES YOU WILL REGRET IT WITH YYOUR LIFE AND YOUU WILL REMEMBER THIS MESSAGE. GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU! SATAN HAS CLOSED YOUR EYES TO NOT SEE REALITY BUT IN THE NAME OF JESUS TO WHOEVER IS READING THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS I DECLARE YOU FREE OF ANY DEMON! AMEN.

    FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HOS ONE AND ONLY SON,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. JOHN 3:16

  88. on 10 Nov 2013 at 4:59 am 88.Angus and Alexis said …

    Awww, how loving of god, he gives you eternal pain for not worshiping him like some form of dictator.

    So, any proof of this god?

  89. on 09 Dec 2013 at 2:35 pm 89.beediee said …

    I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of God. I think I can pretty much confirm that the multiple religious points of view about God and the peripheral belief systems concerning God are hog wash.

  90. on 22 Feb 2014 at 4:09 pm 90.Ravi said …

    Have you ever thought of the world you are living in? First of all, have u ever thought of the living room or bedroom you are enjoying? Do you know that the bedroom,living room,kitchen, your city, your territory, your city, your country, and of course the earth is revolving and rotating constantly? What happens if this earth stops rotating or revolving? What happens if the speed of rotating or revolving decreases or increases? You may not be afraid of anyone but you have to fear the Creator of this Universe you are living in.

  91. on 22 Feb 2014 at 4:27 pm 91.alex said …

    “What happens if the speed of rotating or revolving decreases or increases? You may not be afraid of anyone but you have to fear the Creator of this Universe you are living in.”

    dude, if atheists aren’t afraid of eternal hell, what the fuck are you talking about? you know what i’m scare of? the dumbasses that drive the streets.

    you think you can convince the atheists here with your lame ass shit? i’m supposed to be afraid of your creator that can’t even wrestle? oh, maybe not. you’re prolly one of them raghead, fuckheads that believes in the magifucking horse that mohamadfuck was riding on.

  92. on 22 Feb 2014 at 5:45 pm 92.A said …

    Ravi

    let me sum up what Alexis will hive you.

    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb

    MF
    MF
    MF
    MF
    MF

    The end. Its all Alexis has to offer. Good luck Ravi.

  93. on 22 Feb 2014 at 7:05 pm 93.alex said …

    sorry, ravi, whom i suspect is the same dumb motherfucker as hor/martin/etc. keep posting, sooner or later, you’ll slip and predictably you’ll whine, “i’m this and that. i’m evewybody…wah, you caught me in a bad time. right after i’ve been watching debbie does xtian, wah!”.

    all the fuckhead theists here have to offer is strawman, strawman, bullshit, bullshit, deny, divert, strawman, bullshit, dna programmer, ocean swimming, hitler, foreskins, repeat, rinse……

  94. on 22 Feb 2014 at 8:05 pm 94.DPK said …

    “What happens if the speed of rotating or revolving decreases or increases?”
    It most certainly has, and it most certainly will… nothing I can do about it. Did you think the earth was always hospitable to life?? Do you think it will remain so forever? Let me ask, how old do you think the universe is?? 6 thousand years???

    “You may not be afraid of anyone but you have to fear the Creator of this Universe you are living in.”

    You mean the all know, all loving god who loves me unconditionally and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself for the sin that the first human committed, exactly as he had been designed to do, and exactly as god KNEW he would for an infinite time before he made him… exactly as he planned?
    I should fear THAT Creator?? Why? According to “A” and Messy, he already knows everything that will ever happen down to the most miniscule detail. Again, I am powerless to change any of it.
    You people are such a tangle of contradictions….

  95. on 22 Feb 2014 at 10:29 pm 95.A said …

    Ravi,

    Forgot to add, alexis/ dpk (Moe) will claim we are the same poster. That sums up their contribution. Good luck! They are fun to just mess with.. .:)

  96. on 22 Feb 2014 at 10:35 pm 96.alex said …

    “Forgot to add, alexis/ dpk (Moe) will claim we are the same poster”

    do you deny all the other imposters you’ve used? or will you blurt out the same “i’m evevyone”? should i trot the “Book of Hor” which you are so afraid of? so afraid you won’t even open it? you’re so stupid, you think clicking on a link will fuck up your jesus freakon?

  97. on 23 Feb 2014 at 12:54 am 97.A said …

    “should i trot the “Book of Hor” which you are so afraid of? ”

    ROTFL!!!!!!!! This is some of the best stuff ever on this blog!

    Sure I’m still everyone including Ravi. And yeah bring me the book!!!!! The Book of Whore! Great! Sounds like a great movie!

    This is so fun! Lol!!!!!!!!

  98. on 23 Feb 2014 at 2:32 pm 98.DPK said …

    Not nearly as much fun as busting you for sock puppetting, watching as you fail to provide :
    Evidence your god exists.
    Explanations of how he could be omniscient and omnipotent simultaneously.
    The absolute code of morality you claim exists and was presented by your supposed god being.
    An explanation of how you reconcile this mysterious, yet absolute code of morality with the obviously immoral things, liks slavery, genocide, infanticide and such that this same supposed god instructs in the bible.
    Your explanation for exactly how the first cell formed, which you claim to know.
    Your explanation for the diversity of life, from simple to complex, without the process of evolution, which you claim is a lie.
    Your explanation, and evidence, to your claim that the current concensus of historians about the authorship of the gospels is wrong.

    These are actually the “best stuff” on this blog!

  99. on 23 Feb 2014 at 3:02 pm 99.alex said …

    free will to choose eternal bliss or punishment? how the fuck are they different? virgins will not stay pure forever, torture becomes bearable over time, and jesus’ incessant sermons will drive you insane. my proof? i don’t have to prove shit. heaven/hell is your bullshit, you prove it.

    even if you throw out the eternal shit, how the fuck is it free will when your choice is obvious. don’t even try trotting out the dog meat shit. a comparable choice is, giving the dog a choice of two rooms. one with food and the other with a deep pit full of scary creatures/monsters including hor and messenger. which choice do you think for the dog?

    unless of course, if the dog is retarded, he might not pick rightly. hey wait! isn’t that what retards do? go to hell, because in their retarded heart, they never accepted hesus?

    fucking, morons.

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