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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 21 Jan 2013 12:06 am

Deepak Chopra starts making excuses for God

Deepak Chopra has started a new series of Blog Posts in which he asks the following question:

We Could Use God’s Help – Where Is He?

What if we erase the slate and look clearly at the situation. Something terrible happens, people suffer, they implore God for help, but no help comes. If such a thing occurred when a house caught fire and the fire trucks never came, naturally the blame would fall on those who are assigned to rescue us. Is it fair to apply the same standard to a God who fails to show up?

Is it fair to apply the same standard to a God who fails to show up? Yes, of course it is. God is supposed to be omnibenevolent and perfectly moral. If God sees suffering and takes no action, then he violates these principles. There is no way that a perfectly moral being (who is also omnipotent) can see someone suffering and stand by without helping. This is explained by God himself (in the form of Jesus) in this parable:

Luke 10:25-37
New International Version (NIV)

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

If God exists, then “Go and do likewise” applies to God as well. The fact that God ignores all of the tragedy on earth proves that God is imaginary. Strange that Chopra cannot see that.

1,834 Responses to “Deepak Chopra starts making excuses for God”

  1. on 21 Jan 2013 at 5:09 pm 1.The messenger said …

    God is in heaven. He is all ways watching over us.

  2. on 21 Jan 2013 at 6:00 pm 2.JALindsay said …

    I know you’re aware of it already, but it’s only as “strange” as Deepak Chopra is intellectually honest about a line of BS he makes a whole lot of money on.

  3. on 21 Jan 2013 at 8:09 pm 3.Martin said …

    “God is supposed to be omnibenevolent and perfectly moral.”

    Whose morality? Atheist’s or God’s?

  4. on 21 Jan 2013 at 9:50 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    Once again we see the fucktard troll Martin ignore the subject of the OP and try to divert the subject with a desperate strawman.

    Martin, try not to be such an asshole, it’s really getting boring.

    (1) Explain to us the moral values that go along with a so-called god that ignores all the tragedy on this earth and whose interaction is completely indistinguishable from non-existence.

    (2) Martin, do *you* consider a god that ignores suffering to be an exemplar of moral values?

  5. on 21 Jan 2013 at 10:13 pm 5.Martin said …

    “whose (God) interaction is completely indistinguishable from non-existence.”

    Since you have only witnessed existence or non-existence, how can you make the argument you can distinguish existence from non-existence? Would this claim not be fallacious since you cannot have such data available?

    “do *you* consider a god that ignores suffering to be an exemplar of moral values?”

    Whose morality would I be using? Atheist’s or God’s?

  6. on 21 Jan 2013 at 10:36 pm 6.DPK said …

    “do *you* consider a god that ignores suffering to be an exemplar of moral values?”

    Whose morality would I be using? Atheist’s or God’s?

    Nice try at a dodge… how about “yours”?

    Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values? Simple question… “yes” or “no” will suffice.
    But I predict neither will be forthcoming.

  7. on 22 Jan 2013 at 1:51 am 7.A said …

    ‘If God exists, then “Go and do likewise” applies to God as well.”

    So blogmaster has given God a command. Let me know how that goes. But blogo respond to this question. How are you doing with “go and do likewise?” If past research is any indicator, atheists as a group are the worst when it comes to generosity.

    But blogo inadvertently does present a point in the theist’s favor. God has commanded man to take care of those in need. We do not do our job and somehow God is supposed to defer his command since his creation will not conform. Such a childlike view of the Supreme deity is creepy.

  8. on 22 Jan 2013 at 3:10 am 8.Anonymous said …

    Oh dear, A (Martin, by another name), you’ve gone and fucked yourself royally here:

    “God has commanded man to take care of those in need.”

    (1) Which god? Ra, Zeus, Odin? You need to be specific.

    (2) Where are these commands. SPECIFICALLY what did he command ((or are you just making shit up?)

    (3) How do you KNOW that this was a command from some god and not the ramblings of the mentally ill or uneducated bronze-age desert nomads?

    “We do not do our job and somehow God is supposed to defer his command since his creation will not conform.”

    (4) So this is not an omnipotent or omniscience god? Which makes (1-3) even more puzzling. WHICH god are you talking about here?

    (5) Why is this god giving orders that are not being followed? Is he impotent or just imaginary?

    (6) Why does this god’s followers have such terrible moral values that they disobey their god? He’s not much of an inspiring leader, is he?

    Please break with your tradition and answer questions.

  9. on 22 Jan 2013 at 4:38 am 9.DPK said …

    ASShole farted:

    “If past research is any indicator, atheists as a group are the worst when it comes to generosity.”

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz8r6uEV8Z1qabgb9o1_500.jpg

  10. on 22 Jan 2013 at 9:02 am 10.Anonymous said …

    Oh, and Martin, which morality is on display here?

    Would that be “god’s” morality, or just plain old child-raping Christian morality?

    Is your obsession with getting others to define morality simply to divert from your personal acceptance of child-rape?

    How many little boys do you consider it moral to fuck? At what point does it become “creepy” and child-like in your mind to disagree with a so-called supreme deity that directs his followers to stick their dicks in the behind of children? 100, 1000? – it’s clearly not zero. As emotional disturbing as it will be, do please clue us in on your hypocritical theology.

    Better yet, perhaps you should stop digging yourself into a hole and try to provide us evidence for the existence of sky daddy? Whilst that’s going to be a barrel of laughs, at least we won’t be so disgusted with your obvious double standards.

  11. on 22 Jan 2013 at 11:40 am 11.Martin said …

    (1) Which god? Ra, Zeus, Odin? You need to be specific.

    That would be the one the thread is addressing in Luke 10 above.

    (2) Where are these commands. SPECIFICALLY what did he command

    They are in Luke 10 as posted in the subject of the thread.

    3) How do you KNOW that this was a command from some god and not the ramblings of the mentally ill or uneducated bronze-age desert nomads?”

    The blogmaster has agreed that this was the command of Jesus as posted in the thread above. I take it you don’t agree with the teaching?

    Rather than getting off topic with the rest of your questions, see post #5.
    ___________________

    “whose (God) interaction is completely indistinguishable from non-existence.”

    Since you have only witnessed existence or non-existence, how can you make the argument you can distinguish existence from non-existence? Would this claim not be fallacious since you cannot have such data available?

    “do *you* consider a god that ignores suffering to be an exemplar of moral values?”

    Whose morality would I be using? Atheist’s or God’s?

  12. on 22 Jan 2013 at 1:24 pm 12.Anonymous said …

    Once again Martin tries to duck the questions and refers to other people’s comments. It’s all about avoidance isn’t it?

    What’s the matter, afraid to commit to an answer because you know once you do you’ll be asked to tell us why YOU believe what YOU do.

    Seeing as A/Martin refuses to provide direct answers, yet demands answers to his/her/its strawman arguments, the point is proven. “Martin” is another dishonest poster only intent in diverting the OP away from the theist’s burden of proving the existence of their imaginary friend.

  13. on 22 Jan 2013 at 4:35 pm 13.DPK said …

    11 Martin:
    6.DPK said …
    “Whose morality would I be using? Atheist’s or God’s?
    Nice try at a dodge… how about “yours”?
    Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values? Simple question… “yes” or “no” will suffice.

    But I predict neither will be forthcoming….”

    My prophetic powers are undeniable, eh?

    Martin, you are such a fraud. Why are you theists always so afraid to answer a direct question? What is it that you are trying to hide?

  14. on 22 Jan 2013 at 5:00 pm 14.Anonymous said …

    “Martin, you are such a fraud”

    No doubt.

    This is the same poster who wants to proclaim himself a judge of “logical arguments”, yet all he does is to create strawman versions of other people’s positions. Note how he quickly he runs for cover when challenged to perform the task he claims others cannot.

    Come-on Martin. We are still waiting for you to (a) directly name the deity that you vaguely reference in your diversions and (b) provide the logical argument for the existence of said deity.

    If you can’t prove it, then admit it. But you also need to stop arguing that people can’t disprove these claims until you can prove the positive.

    People like you who make up fake versions of other people’s arguments yet refuse to even try prove the existence of this supposedly omnipowerful “god” are not only utterly dishonest and untrustworthy, but most likely extremely delusional.

  15. on 22 Jan 2013 at 6:41 pm 15.Martin said …

    If fraud in your vernacular means I stay on subject and asking probing question regarding comments made on this post, OK I agree.

    You refuse to answer two simple question pertinent to the discussion as outlined in the thread. I do believe you would rather discuss people, use fallacies and dismiss uncomfortable questions. I will again reference you to #5 or #3 if you care to answer either question. I will not be wavering off topic so you can chase your rabbits.

  16. on 22 Jan 2013 at 7:24 pm 16.Anonymous said …

    Typical troll remarks by “Martin”. He refuses to answer questions and tries to avoid facing his delusion by insisting that everyone else is beholding to him.

    Again, we are waiting for you to prove that your god exists. We are waiting for you to provide specifics regarding your religion’s moral code. We are waiting for you to explain why your theology allows and celebrates child rape. The list goes on.

    That you squirm and lie to avoid taking responsibility for your burden just adds to your embarrassment and hopelessness.

  17. on 22 Jan 2013 at 8:01 pm 17.Martin said …

    Anonymous I understand your frustration. The questions have you upset and confused. I will stick with the thread topic. It is possible another poster might want to engage in a real discussion and not your hijacking tactics.

  18. on 22 Jan 2013 at 9:05 pm 18.DPK said …

    Oh Martin, you sad troll… we ARE on topic… let’s review:
    in your post “3.Martin said …“God is supposed to be omnibenevolent and perfectly moral.”
    Whose morality? Atheist’s or God’s?

    Now, since you have not shown that there is any such thing as either an “atheist’s morality” or a “god’s morality”, the question was answered “your morality”… assuming you have one. You made vague reference to Luke 10 with “love your neighbor as yourself”. If that 3rd grade concept of morality is all you got, then this should be easy for you.

    On topic… which btw, is “making excuses for god”:

    Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values? Simple question… “yes” or “no” will suffice.
    But again, I predict neither will be forthcoming.

  19. on 22 Jan 2013 at 10:07 pm 19.Martin said …

    “The fact that God ignores all of the tragedy on earth proves that God is imaginary.”

    Lets look at this statement from the blogmaster

    1. God ignores all tragedies (his claim)
    2. If God was real, He would not ignore tragedies (his claim)
    3. Therefore, God is not real

    Once again, fallacious reasoning. Human beings all over the world ignore tragedies right in front of their eyes and yet they do exist. I thought I would add this to the long lists of problems with the blogamsters claims.

    How does He know God ignores ALL tragedies?
    How does He know God’s plan?
    How does He know God is doing nothing?

  20. on 22 Jan 2013 at 10:16 pm 20.DPK said …

    Martin, your ADD is showing.
    Why won’t you answer the question?

    “Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values?”

    It’s really not that hard of a question. Once you come to grips with that, then we can discuss whether or not your postulated god does or does not in fact “ignores suffering and inflicts pain”. But can we agree at least, that an omni-benevolent god who is perfectly moral, according to YOUR definition of morality, would not “ignore suffering and inflict pain”?

  21. on 22 Jan 2013 at 11:51 pm 21.Martin said …

    DPK, there is no question to answer. You must first establish the question is legitimate by supporting the question’s premises. You and the others have failed to do so. If you can offer some solutions to the problems I have provided we might be able to proceed.

    DPK unfortunately you and anonymous seem more interested in juvenile taunts and names rather than a real discussion.

  22. on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:13 am 22.DPK said …

    And you seem more interested in evading question that you think will expose your delusion. There is no premise to be validated here. The question is simple and straightforward and does not need conditions.

    “Do you consider a god that ignores suffering and inflicts pain to be exemplary of your moral values.”

    Your refusal to answer even he simplistic of yes or no questions is very puzzling.
    Haha… No actually it int puzzling at all, is it. We all know exactly why you won’t answer. Because to do so will lead to you, like the charlatan Chopra, having to start the circular path of making excuses for god.

    So thank ou Martin, for making the point for us in a very poignant way.
    You may now leave and return as Ass or Rostram to try and change the subject.
    My, you are tedious.

  23. on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:55 am 23.alex said …

    evading, ignoring, covering. see: http://goo.gl/WPelN

    but redemption is but a prayer away. puleez.

  24. on 23 Jan 2013 at 2:09 am 24.DPK said …

    “Once again, fallacious reasoning. Human beings all over the world ignore tragedies right in front of their eyes and yet they do exist.”

    True, so then the only logical conclusions are; if this god does exist, he is either not perfectly moral, like people, or he is not omnipotent, like people. Either that, or he simply does not exist. Which is it, Martin?

  25. on 23 Jan 2013 at 2:43 am 25.Lou said …

    “This is explained by God himself (in the form of Jesus) in this parable:”

    How does a command given by God to men apply to God? God has his role but so does men. What a ridiculous example.

  26. on 23 Jan 2013 at 3:40 am 26.Lou(DFW) said …

    25.Louser said …

    “How does a command given by God to men apply to God? God has his role but so does men. What a ridiculous example.”

    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-910282

  27. on 23 Jan 2013 at 4:03 am 27.DPK said …

    So, your excuse for your god now is “do as I say, not as I do.”
    Ok. That the best you got?

  28. on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:07 pm 28.A said …

    “Once again Martin tries to duck the questions and refers to other people’s comments. It’s all about avoidance isn’t it?”

    Imagine that anon-ymouse, he actually responds to the subject of the thread rather than the atheist parrots.

    What does anony-mouse do? He responds to other peoples comments, namely martin! Secondly, he ducks Martin’s questions! lol!!

    Let me speak in your language. AWK!!!

  29. on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:46 pm 29.MrQ said …

    A *cough cough* What happened to you and Castbound when we were all attempting to have a rational discourse on a previous thread? *cough cough* AWK!!! indeed.

  30. on 23 Jan 2013 at 3:49 pm 30.DPK said …

    The faithful’s responses in this thread serve as a perfect example of exactly what the topic was about… making excuses for god.
    Rules about god.
    1.God is perfect, moral, and all loving.
    2. If god exhibits behavior that is obviously not perfect, moral, and all loving… refer to rule #1.

    More left turns than a Nascar race.

    And, after being asked flat out multiple time to answer a simple yes or no question, Martin disappears and “Ass” shows up to try and divert attention. Just as predicted. This troll is as obvious as a turd on a white carpet, and just as foul.

  31. on 23 Jan 2013 at 5:07 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    3.Martin/Mitch/ASS said …

    “Whose morality? Atheist’s or God’s?”

    ASS you intentionally worded the question so it can’t answered, well at least not honestly, something that you’re not capable of.

    1. There’s no such thing as atheist morality.
    2. There’s no such thing as god’s morality.

    If there is, then please provide it. But, you won’t. You will remain as always, a troll, a liar, a fraud, and a theist.

  32. on 23 Jan 2013 at 7:00 pm 32.Lou said …

    Well can’t argue with DFW there. No such thing as atheist morality

  33. on 23 Jan 2013 at 7:21 pm 33.Lou(DFW) said …

    32.Louser said …

    “Well can’t argue with DFW there. No such thing as atheist morality”

    That’s right, there’s no such thing as atheist morality anymore than there is god’s morality or xtian morality. So what? How is that evidence that your imaginary god is real, or are you simply attempting to divert attention to the fact that you have none?

    Louser, is there a god-given absolute morality? It’s a simple yes or no question. Unless you answer, then I can only assume that you agree with my comment 31.Lou(DFW) to which you referred.

  34. on 23 Jan 2013 at 9:58 pm 34.Lou(DFW) said …

    3.Martin/Mitch/ASS said …

    “Whose morality? Atheist’s or God’s?”

    Both your comment and the one to which you referred are irrelevant because the imaginary god’s reactions to “Something terrible happens, people suffer, they implore God for help…” is EXACTLY the same as if god doesn’t exist – “…no help comes.” But, it’s not because imaginary god is or isn’t “omnibenevolent and perfectly moral.” It’s simply obvious that god is imaginary. If he isn’t, then please present your evidence for your imaginary god – it’s that simple, but you can’t do it.

  35. on 24 Jan 2013 at 12:30 am 35.alex said …

    jesus proof: http://goo.gl/zjTE2

    har fucking har.

  36. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:14 am 36.Curmudgeon said …

    I use to believe alex was the most intellectually challenged atheist here but I now think it must be Lou(dfw). He once claimed Metaphysics is useless and now he claims atheist morality doesn’t exist.

    Amazing, how to battle such ignorance?

  37. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:20 am 37.The messenger said …

    God doesn’t igrore us, Thomas.

    He loves us all and after death, he lets us go to heaven if we have been good people on earth. If we live siful lives we will go to hell and stay there until our sentence is up.

  38. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:37 am 38.DPK said …

    Curm reappears after “Martin” and the other socks are humiliated.
    Curm, despite your myopic inability to think on your own, please show us “atheist morality” that you claim exists.
    You are an idiot. Atheism is disbelief in supernatural gods. No more, no less. There is no “atheist morality” any more than there is a “people who don’t like broccoli” morality, or a “people who don’t believe in fairies” morality.
    Care to show us otherwise?

  39. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:37 am 39.alex said …

    “I use to believe alex was the most intellectually challenged atheist…”

    and? i already tolya. i’m the dumbest motherfucker in here. is this your god proof? i’m also wrong on all counts, so that confirms your bullshit monotheistic god, yes? since all the other gods exist.

    fucken sock puppet moron.

  40. on 24 Jan 2013 at 3:52 am 40.The messenger said …

    Brother 39.alex, I don’t mean this as an insult ok, I am really serious when I say this, you need help. I honestly do not think that you are mentally alright, please get help as soon as possible.

  41. on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:11 am 41.Lou(DFW) said …

    36.Crumb said …

    “I use to believe…”

    Nobody cares what you “use” to believe.

    “Lou(dfw)…claims atheist morality doesn’t exist. Amazing, how to battle such ignorance?”

    Easy, you moron, provide the “atheist morality!” Indeed, how to battle such ignorance?! It baffles the imagination to think that you can be so utterly stupid, so you really can’t be, can you? The only other explanation is that you are simply a pathetic liar.

  42. on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:43 am 42.Lou(DFW) said …

    36.Crumb said …

    “Lou(dfw)..once claimed Metaphysics is useless”

    Actually, I didn’t make that claim. Regardless, your prior use of it then and reference to it now hasn’t served to distract anybody from the fact that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god, and that you can’t provide your alleged god-given absolute morality nor alleged atheist morality – fraud.

  43. on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:15 pm 43.DPK said …

    41.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Easy, you moron, provide the “atheist morality!”

    Should we tell him about the secret atheist handshake and what REALLY happens in the restaurant once all the theists leave? I mean when we roast the babies on the BBQ pit and drink the blood of virgins and all that atheist stuff?

  44. on 24 Jan 2013 at 4:58 pm 44.Anonymous said …

    Well, better for Curm to try to change the subject from the the non-existent Christian moral code, or proof of the existence of their supposed-god, then attend to actual matters of reality.

    It’s astonishing that someone can be so deluded to claim that their imaginary god is the source of morality when that god’s earthly representatives systematically abuse their power to rape children with impunity. That the church had no issue covering up these acts further questions just how seriously (or not) the church believes its own propaganda about sin.

    But then, the church is all about power, isn’t it?

    On the other hand, our little troll Messenger will probably now tell us that as the ten commandments doesn’t specifically say “priests should not stick their dicks up the ass of little boys” so, maybe, it’s not against the Xtian moral code after all? That – and their god being imaginary – would explain why their god didn’t stop those rapes, right?

    So Curm, just where was your god when those priests were speaking for him by raping some 100,000 little kids in the last half-century in the name of the church?

    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AtAGlance/data.htm

  45. on 24 Jan 2013 at 5:36 pm 45.Lou(DFW) said …

    44.Anonymous said …

    “So Curm, just where was your god when those priests were speaking for him by raping some 100,000 little kids…?”

    I just want to see the god-given absolute moral code. It’s written-down somewhere, right? So what’s the problem Crumb-fraud producing it?

  46. on 24 Jan 2013 at 5:38 pm 46.DPK said …

    37.The messenger said …
    “God doesn’t igrore us, Thomas.
    He loves us all and after death, he lets us go to heaven if we have been good people on earth. If we live siful lives we will go to hell and stay there until our sentence is up.”

    William, you have been told over and over… according to the official DOCTRINE of the Catholic Church… no one gets out of hell. Hell is forever, for ALL Eternity…. A DOCTRINE is something you MUST believe if you are a catholic. If you defy DOCTRINE, you are excommunicated, and you will be joining all us atheists in hell… for ALL ETERNITY.
    How does that strike you? A god who will punish you for your transgression for ever and ever and ever. Doesn’t sound too merciful and loving to me.

    Notice that your posted ten commandments have a whole bunch of directives aimed at making sure you don’t worship any other gods (seriously, wouldn’t ONE have done) but none that say “thou shalt not own slaves” or “thou shalt not ass rape little children” or “thou shalt not protect pedophiles from legal authorities”, or even, “thou shalt not adorn thyself in gold, precious jewels, and Gucci loafers and amass a fortune larger than many entire nations while children starve to death daily”. Hmmm.. seems these commandments were more likely written by clerics interested in maintaining control over their “flocks” than by some perfect, magnanimous being. You are what is known in the vernacular as a “sucker”, and indeed, there is one of you born every minute.

  47. on 24 Jan 2013 at 6:14 pm 47.Lou(DFW) said …

    40.The messenger said …

    “Brother 39.alex, I don’t mean this as an insult ok…”

    Yes you do.

    “I am really serious when I say this, you need help. I honestly do not think that you are mentally alright, please get help as soon as possible.”

    Why don’t you simply pray for him?

  48. on 24 Jan 2013 at 6:55 pm 48.DPK said …

    “Why don’t you simply pray for him?”

    Why would he pray for him? Didn’t god make Alex exactly as he is for a reason? Messenger already told us many times that everything that happens, yes, even the Holocaust, happened because god had a reason for it, and it happened exactly the way god wanted? Why would messenger want Alex to defy almighty god and “get help”. If Alex is supposed to “get help” won’t god provide it for him?

    Since god created me with a skeptical personality, and um, a brain… and god never “revealed” himself to me, I can only assume god WANTS me to be atheistic. Right? All these stupid theists are trying to battle against gods plan… aren’t they? They are all doing the work of….. SATAN!!!!
    Go to confession right now, all of you. Confess to the evil you have done and pray that god will forgive you for working against his holy plan.

  49. on 24 Jan 2013 at 9:19 pm 49.Dez said …

    After reading Chopra’s blog post I fail to see any excuse? What I saw was a resolution enlightening the nature of God. Where was the excuse he made?

  50. on 24 Jan 2013 at 9:23 pm 50.Anonymous said …

    A, Chris, Curmudgeon, Dez, Rostam, Lou, Xenon – No wonder there’s a strange odor in here, the place is full of socks!

  51. on 24 Jan 2013 at 9:55 pm 51.Lou(DFW) said …

    49.Dizzy said …

    “After reading Chopra’s blog post I fail to see any excuse? What I saw was a resolution enlightening the nature of God.

    First of all, what Chopra writes is mostly nonsensical babbling of little or no substance. That’s how makes a living off of suckers like you. But hey, what’s new in theology and religion?

    “Where was the excuse he made?”

    “[Y]ou take on faith that his infinite wisdom reaches beyond our limited perspective – in other words, suffering fits into the divine plan.”

    Apparently, imaginary god doesn’t hold himself to the same moral standards to which he holds man. But, if man causes suffering to the extent that imaginary god does, then it’s also part of imaginary god’s plan.

    Or –

    30.DPK said …

    The faithful’s responses in this thread serve as a perfect example of exactly what the topic was about… making excuses for god.

    Rules about god.
    1.God is perfect, moral, and all loving.
    2. If god exhibits behavior that is obviously not perfect, moral, and all loving… refer to rule #1.

    More left turns than a Nascar race.

  52. on 25 Jan 2013 at 2:24 am 52.The messenger said …

    Brother 46.DPK, it is not me who fails to understand Catholic doctrine, it is you who fails to understand it.

  53. on 25 Jan 2013 at 2:27 am 53.The messenger said …

    Brother 47.Lou(DFW), I honestly did not mean that as an insult. I honestly think that there is something wrong with Alex and I think that he should get help.

    I did pray for him, and I prayed for you too.

  54. on 25 Jan 2013 at 2:28 am 54.The messenger said …

    I am still praying now.

  55. on 25 Jan 2013 at 5:12 pm 55.DPK said …

    52.The messenger said …

    Brother 46.DPK, it is not me who fails to understand Catholic doctrine, it is you who fails to understand it.

    Here is the official teaching of your church according to Pope Joh Paul II. I know most of the words are too big for you, so I have pasted the important, relevant section for you:
    http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2heavn.htm

    Hell is the State of Those who Reject God

    …It is precisely this tragic situation that Christian doctrine explains when it speaks of ETERNAL damnation or hell. It is not a punishment imposed externally by God but a development of premises already set by people in this life…

    Hell is a state of ETERNAL DAMNATION.

    …the New Testament presents the place destined for evildoers as a fiery furnace, where people will “weep and gnash their teeth” (Mt 13:42; cf. 25:30, 41), or like Gehenna with its “unquenchable fire” (Mk 9:43). All this is narrated in the parable of the rich man, which explains that hell is a place of ETERNAL suffering, with NO POSSIBILITY of return, nor of the alleviation of pain (cf. Lk. 16:19-3 1).

    “Eternal damnation”, therefore, is not attributed to God’s initiative because in his merciful love he can only desire the salvation of the beings he created. In reality, it is the creature who closes himself to his love. Damnation consists precisely in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person and confirmed with death that seals his choice FOR EVER. God’s judgement ratifies this state.

    Now William… go look up the definitions of ETERNAL and FOREVER. Then admit you are wrong and go tell the priest you need to be forgiven for being a heretic.

  56. on 26 Jan 2013 at 7:38 am 56.My loving brother,U gave many explanations that god is imaginary,but brother just think if you were an orphan your mother and father left you,if somebody comes to u and ask u that if u are an orphan then where are you from or who gave u the birth,I don't said …

    Brother never think that god is no where or he is imaginary but it has been also said: that never think that nobody has seen him(GOD) but the one who is from the father they have seen him.

  57. on 27 Jan 2013 at 7:28 pm 57.Scourge said …

    # 56 Your obvious brilliance outshines the likes of the cleverly encoded brilliance of #36 Cur-Mudgeon

    cur- a mongrel dog, especially a worthless or unfriendly one.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cur

    mudgeon- vagina

    “Any doctor that claims he or she can assist you in your mythical creature quest via nip/tuck to the mudgeon is steering you wrong.”

    -Vesta Vayne

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mudgeon

  58. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:41 pm 58.Lesbian carwasher said …

    43.DPK said …

    41.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Easy, you moron, provide the “atheist morality!”

    “Should we tell him about the secret atheist handshake and what REALLY happens in the restaurant once all the theists leave? I mean when we roast the babies on the BBQ pit and drink the blood of virgins and all that atheist stuff?”

    i lol’d

  59. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:03 pm 59.MattD said …

    Mental illness and christianity….obviously a bad mix.

  60. on 12 Feb 2013 at 11:43 pm 60.Anon said …

    It’s simple, christards like The messenger and s0l0m0n are just fucked up in the head.

  61. on 03 Mar 2013 at 11:01 pm 61.the messenger said …

    Brother 55. DPK, Hell was eternal; until God came down from Heaven as Jesus and open the gates of heaven, proved to creation that he can forgive all sins, and started the tradition of baptism (the washing away of sins).

    God loves all people, nomatter who they are or what sins they have committed. therefore he will forgive all people.( in heaven or in hell )

  62. on 05 Mar 2013 at 3:01 am 62.alex said …

    go to your room messenger. quit making up shit. you and your brother s0l are nongratis. shut the fuck up.

  63. on 16 Mar 2013 at 12:57 pm 63.Ambassador said …

    1 Timothy Chapter 4
    1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

    4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

    5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

  64. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:03 pm 64.Ambassador said …

    Romans 3:23
    King James Version (KJV)
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

  65. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:10 pm 65.Ambassador said …

    John 16:33
    King James Version (KJV)
    33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

  66. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:24 pm 66.Ambassador said …

    Romans Chapter 1
    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

  67. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:46 pm 67.Ambassador said …

    King James was sickly having crippling arthritis, weak limbs, abdominal colic, gout, and a number of other chronic illnesses. He also had physical handicaps which affected his legs and tongue. Coupled with numerous attempts on his life, he required constant attention and watchcare.

  68. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:49 pm 68.Ambassador said …

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

  69. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:50 pm 69.Ambassador said …

    2 Corinthians 12:6-8
    King James Version (KJV)
    6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

    7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

    8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

  70. on 16 Mar 2013 at 1:58 pm 70.Ambassador said …

    Obadiah 1:15 “The day of the LORD is near for all nations. As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.

  71. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:00 pm 71.Ambassador said …

    (1 John 2:18 KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

  72. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:03 pm 72.Ambassador said …

    Luke 23:34
    King James Version (KJV)
    34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

  73. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:13 pm 73.Ambassador said …

    It’s important to remember that an Atheist needs to honestly accept Christ into their heart to become a Christian. This act is not something that can be forced on another person. At some point, you may need to accept and respect their decision to not seek salvation through Christianity.

    Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. (Leviticus 19:17-19)

  74. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:30 pm 74.Ambassador said …

    I did not believe Santa was real when I was a
    kid. But I still Got presents under the tree.
    Just like you don’t have to believe in God,
    but he still left a present on the tree.
    HONOR THY MOTHER AND FATHER>
    Thanks mom and dad for the Christmas gifts even though
    I was a hard-headed son who didn’t deserve it!
    LOVE THY LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART>
    Thanks God For sending your son to die for my sins
    even though I am a Hard-headed son who doesn’t deserve
    it! – GOD BLESS YOU ALL especially Atheist!!!

  75. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:31 pm 75.MrQ said …

    What a load of shit from the ambassador. Loads of bible quotes to try and prove what exactly?

    Ambassador: Why didn’t act honestly, open your heart and eyes, and accept Allah into your heart? At some point Muslims will need to accept that you will remain a blind christian (equal in value to a slimy atheist, in their view). The Muslims will need to accept and respect your ignorance of religion.

    Between you and me, though, if you see a Muslim and hear that he/she is ticking, you better run like hell. Just a little free advice.

  76. on 16 Mar 2013 at 2:50 pm 76.alex said …

    Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, motherfucker. if i find your ass, fucking around on sunday, i will stone you with little rocks until you ouch.

  77. on 16 Mar 2013 at 5:58 pm 77.DPK said …

    “74.Ambassador said …

    I did not believe Santa was real when I was a
    kid. But I still Got presents under the tree.
    Just like you don’t have to believe in God,
    but he still left a present on the tree.”

    WTF?
    This is the stupidest thing I’ve heard yet from a theist. You STILL got a present…. BUT SANTA ISN’T REAL!!!
    Just like your imaginary god… who you ALSO think gives you presents… he doesn’t… because, just like SANTA, if is imaginary.
    How come you were bright enough to figure out Santa wasn’t real, but you still think there is an invisible man who listens to your thoughts, answers your prayers (while letting almost 10 million people starve to death every year, no less) and will take you away to a magical kingdom in the sky when you die… IF you worship him and try not to do bad things.
    Seriously?
    Unless you want to start a bible quoting war, take your King James crap elsewhere. For every inspirational quote you can cut and paste I can find one that will make your hair stand on end.

  78. on 16 Mar 2013 at 8:56 pm 78.The messenger said …

    77.DPK, I feel sorry for you.

  79. on 16 Mar 2013 at 11:58 pm 79.alex said …

    go away messenger, nongratis#1.

  80. on 23 Mar 2013 at 12:43 am 80.Adam said …

    There was a hurricane. A man was trap on his roof, praying to God to come to rescue him, and suddenly some people on a boat come around the corner asking if he needed help, he said no I’m waiting for God to save me, so they went on their way. The storm is starting to get worse so the man again prays to God to rescue him, another boat comes along and ask if he needs help, just like the first time the man says no I’m waiting for God to save me. The storm now is great really really bad. The man prays to God, please God help me! A helicopter comes by and ask if he needs help, and just like the first and second time the man says no I’m waiting for God to help me. Now the hurricane is here and its so bad that the man drowned, when he got to Heaven he ask God, God why didn’t you help me when I prayed to you? God replied I sent 2 boats and a helicopter, what more do you want?

  81. on 23 Mar 2013 at 12:50 am 81.alex said …

    “God replied I sent 2 boats and a helicopter, what more do you want?”

    in other words, anything that happens is because god did it? is that it? if not, then god didn’t really send the fucking boats/chopper did he? if it’s true, then do you have insurance? do you fasten your seat belts? put on your condom before fucking a prostitute? why do you do all these things if god does everything?

    you don’t really think, he sent the boats/choppers? why do you go around telling bullshit stories? dude, this is an atheist site.

  82. on 23 Mar 2013 at 4:16 am 82.The messenger said …

    81.alex, you are so misinformed.

    God does not do everything, he just plans out everything.

    God wants us to better ourselves and the rest of mankind by learning how to keep our selves safe from harm.

    Buckling our seat belts, and having insurance is a part of God’s plan.
    God wants us to learn to make smart, and safe decisions.

  83. on 23 Mar 2013 at 4:29 am 83.The messenger said …

    Brother 76.alex, Jesus taught us not to stone people in this passage.

    8 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees *brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, 4 they *said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” 6 They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. 7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. 10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said, “No one, [b]Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”]

    This passage means that only people who have never sinned are allowed to punish or order someone else to punish bad people. Therefore, sense God is the only man who has never sinned, he is the only person who can punish bad people, or order someone else to punish bad people.

  84. on 03 May 2013 at 5:28 pm 84.A Fellow Sinner said …

    Let me ask you something. Would you rather live in a country where a dictator rules over you and tells you ever move you must make and your family must make? Or would you prefer to live in a free society where you can make your own decisions and raise your family as you please?

    Our Father in Heaven is not a dictator. He created GOOD and we have a choice. We can choose darkness or we can choose light.

    In this parable our Lord and Savior is HELPING us by guiding us toward that light, as he did constantly during his ministry.

    If he were speaking to the righteous, who are humble and had already accepted God’s Word, then you might have a point. Because God DOES direct those people. But he was not. He was speaking to those who had not accepted His Word:

    “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:32

  85. on 20 Oct 2013 at 11:02 pm 85.7 heavens said …

    May it come to all and will come to all but by thy own earnship that at that moment when your gift of life expires and suddenly it all comes to real that you find yourself standing in front of the most high and then reality hits home like a thunder bolt that therr is no second chance at your previous doings I only pray that our lord has pitty on yous all, a very sad night for me to hav left this notice I will indeed pray for every 1 connected to the site good nite to you all and god bless, and remember that satan is out to deceive as many as he can please dont be 1of them

  86. on 21 Oct 2013 at 12:19 pm 86.Angus and Alexis said …

    You realize atheists do not believe in prayer, Satan or your god, right?

    Your prayer is meaningless to me.

  87. on 10 Nov 2013 at 12:50 am 87.anonymus said …

    This website is stupid GOD IS REAL AND SO IS JESUS U WILL BE PUNISHED WHEN HE COME AND HE WILL BE COMING SOON AND SO YOU WILL BE SENT TO HELL IF YOU DONT FORGIVE TO YOUR CREATOR AND SAVIOR! DO YOU UNDERSTAND! YOU MADE THE WRONG CHOICE AND WHEN HE COMES YOU WILL REGRET IT WITH YYOUR LIFE AND YOUU WILL REMEMBER THIS MESSAGE. GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU! SATAN HAS CLOSED YOUR EYES TO NOT SEE REALITY BUT IN THE NAME OF JESUS TO WHOEVER IS READING THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS I DECLARE YOU FREE OF ANY DEMON! AMEN.

    FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HOS ONE AND ONLY SON,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. JOHN 3:16

  88. on 10 Nov 2013 at 4:59 am 88.Angus and Alexis said …

    Awww, how loving of god, he gives you eternal pain for not worshiping him like some form of dictator.

    So, any proof of this god?

  89. on 09 Dec 2013 at 2:35 pm 89.beediee said …

    I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of God. I think I can pretty much confirm that the multiple religious points of view about God and the peripheral belief systems concerning God are hog wash.

  90. on 22 Feb 2014 at 4:09 pm 90.Ravi said …

    Have you ever thought of the world you are living in? First of all, have u ever thought of the living room or bedroom you are enjoying? Do you know that the bedroom,living room,kitchen, your city, your territory, your city, your country, and of course the earth is revolving and rotating constantly? What happens if this earth stops rotating or revolving? What happens if the speed of rotating or revolving decreases or increases? You may not be afraid of anyone but you have to fear the Creator of this Universe you are living in.

  91. on 22 Feb 2014 at 4:27 pm 91.alex said …

    “What happens if the speed of rotating or revolving decreases or increases? You may not be afraid of anyone but you have to fear the Creator of this Universe you are living in.”

    dude, if atheists aren’t afraid of eternal hell, what the fuck are you talking about? you know what i’m scare of? the dumbasses that drive the streets.

    you think you can convince the atheists here with your lame ass shit? i’m supposed to be afraid of your creator that can’t even wrestle? oh, maybe not. you’re prolly one of them raghead, fuckheads that believes in the magifucking horse that mohamadfuck was riding on.

  92. on 22 Feb 2014 at 5:45 pm 92.A said …

    Ravi

    let me sum up what Alexis will hive you.

    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb
    f-bomb

    MF
    MF
    MF
    MF
    MF

    The end. Its all Alexis has to offer. Good luck Ravi.

  93. on 22 Feb 2014 at 7:05 pm 93.alex said …

    sorry, ravi, whom i suspect is the same dumb motherfucker as hor/martin/etc. keep posting, sooner or later, you’ll slip and predictably you’ll whine, “i’m this and that. i’m evewybody…wah, you caught me in a bad time. right after i’ve been watching debbie does xtian, wah!”.

    all the fuckhead theists here have to offer is strawman, strawman, bullshit, bullshit, deny, divert, strawman, bullshit, dna programmer, ocean swimming, hitler, foreskins, repeat, rinse……

  94. on 22 Feb 2014 at 8:05 pm 94.DPK said …

    “What happens if the speed of rotating or revolving decreases or increases?”
    It most certainly has, and it most certainly will… nothing I can do about it. Did you think the earth was always hospitable to life?? Do you think it will remain so forever? Let me ask, how old do you think the universe is?? 6 thousand years???

    “You may not be afraid of anyone but you have to fear the Creator of this Universe you are living in.”

    You mean the all know, all loving god who loves me unconditionally and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself for the sin that the first human committed, exactly as he had been designed to do, and exactly as god KNEW he would for an infinite time before he made him… exactly as he planned?
    I should fear THAT Creator?? Why? According to “A” and Messy, he already knows everything that will ever happen down to the most miniscule detail. Again, I am powerless to change any of it.
    You people are such a tangle of contradictions….

  95. on 22 Feb 2014 at 10:29 pm 95.A said …

    Ravi,

    Forgot to add, alexis/ dpk (Moe) will claim we are the same poster. That sums up their contribution. Good luck! They are fun to just mess with.. .:)

  96. on 22 Feb 2014 at 10:35 pm 96.alex said …

    “Forgot to add, alexis/ dpk (Moe) will claim we are the same poster”

    do you deny all the other imposters you’ve used? or will you blurt out the same “i’m evevyone”? should i trot the “Book of Hor” which you are so afraid of? so afraid you won’t even open it? you’re so stupid, you think clicking on a link will fuck up your jesus freakon?

  97. on 23 Feb 2014 at 12:54 am 97.A said …

    “should i trot the “Book of Hor” which you are so afraid of? ”

    ROTFL!!!!!!!! This is some of the best stuff ever on this blog!

    Sure I’m still everyone including Ravi. And yeah bring me the book!!!!! The Book of Whore! Great! Sounds like a great movie!

    This is so fun! Lol!!!!!!!!

  98. on 23 Feb 2014 at 2:32 pm 98.DPK said …

    Not nearly as much fun as busting you for sock puppetting, watching as you fail to provide :
    Evidence your god exists.
    Explanations of how he could be omniscient and omnipotent simultaneously.
    The absolute code of morality you claim exists and was presented by your supposed god being.
    An explanation of how you reconcile this mysterious, yet absolute code of morality with the obviously immoral things, liks slavery, genocide, infanticide and such that this same supposed god instructs in the bible.
    Your explanation for exactly how the first cell formed, which you claim to know.
    Your explanation for the diversity of life, from simple to complex, without the process of evolution, which you claim is a lie.
    Your explanation, and evidence, to your claim that the current concensus of historians about the authorship of the gospels is wrong.

    These are actually the “best stuff” on this blog!

  99. on 23 Feb 2014 at 3:02 pm 99.alex said …

    free will to choose eternal bliss or punishment? how the fuck are they different? virgins will not stay pure forever, torture becomes bearable over time, and jesus’ incessant sermons will drive you insane. my proof? i don’t have to prove shit. heaven/hell is your bullshit, you prove it.

    even if you throw out the eternal shit, how the fuck is it free will when your choice is obvious. don’t even try trotting out the dog meat shit. a comparable choice is, giving the dog a choice of two rooms. one with food and the other with a deep pit full of scary creatures/monsters including hor and messenger. which choice do you think for the dog?

    unless of course, if the dog is retarded, he might not pick rightly. hey wait! isn’t that what retards do? go to hell, because in their retarded heart, they never accepted hesus?

    fucking, morons.

  100. on 12 Sep 2014 at 5:15 am 100.Anonymous said …

    hope you got my message on the blog. hope it goes all over the world. God saved me from drowning twice by miracles. i can’t swim and God kept me up in two rivers. i cried out twice to HIM THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS FOLKS. I HAVE Asked Him to forgive me and I love Him but have not spent enough time in prayer with Him. Stupid heh,especialy when i know He is there in Heaven and can help us down here.

  101. on 12 Sep 2014 at 5:17 am 101.Janet Mather said …

    MY NAME i’M NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL-IT HAS THE POWER TO SAVE.

  102. on 12 Sep 2014 at 5:18 am 102.JANET MATHER said …

    TO YOU ALL; I CAN’T SWIM AND JUMPED INTO TWO DEEP RIVERS SYNDEHAM IN DRESDEN ON. AND THE DETROIT RIVER IN WINDSOR. GOD KEPT ME UP AND IN THE SYNDEHAM I WENT BACK AND FORTH AND NOT BY MY OWN WILL. SO NONE OF YOU CAN TELL ME GOD DOESN’T EXIST AND HE LOVES US TO LOVE LIFE AND HAS LOVED MAKING US AND THEN DIED TO SAVE US, AND YES I HATE TO ADMIT IT THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS TRUE. I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO COURT TO REVISE THE MONKEY TRIALS-ALL I WOULD HAve to do is bring my experience and those of others that have been healed by God,including the ones that God used EVANGELISTS TO BE PART OF. YES, THEY ARE ONLY HUMAN BUT THEY WERE USED STILL TO ALLOW GOD(JESUS) TO DO HIS WORK. i am not lying and feel so sorry for people who do not believe in Him and what He did for them. the only thing i wish is that i would have prayed more to Him for direction in my life. HE IS A GREAT AND AWESOME
    GOD AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THE ONES THAT DON’T KNOW HIM AND I WANT TO BE CLOSER TO HIM AND WISH I WOULD HAVE DONE SO BEFORE THIS. I HAVE ONLY SPENT A LITTLE TIME WITH HIM AND WISH NOW I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN PRAYERS IN A JOURNAL TO HIM. I CRY OVER THAT.

  103. on 12 Sep 2014 at 6:11 am 103.JANET MATHER said …

    BY THE WAY I WENT BACK AND READ SOME OF THE BLOGS. WHO ARE WE THAT WE CAN TELL GOD Anything-He made all of us. i am ashamed and cry for all of us. i have told you all the truth and i’m am not saying all evangelists that saw miracles were true but many were AND ARE, LIKE KATHERINE KULMAN, FROM YEARS AGO. MANY OF YOU YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE NOT HEARD OF HER BUT GOD DID MANY HEALING MIRACLES IN HER MEETINGS. THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS. MANY HAVE DIED NOW BUT THERE ARE SOME STILL ALIVE. SO I SAY TO HAWKINS AND OTHERS THAT I KNOW GOD IS REAL AND THAT JESUS DIED FOR MY SINS. AND NOTHING CAN STOP ME FROM KNOWING THAT. I AM STUPID FOR NOT PRAYING TO HIM MORE, IT IS NOT HIS FAULT. I WANT TO CRY FOR ALL OF YOU WHO DO NOT BELIEVE AND FOR MYSELF FOR NOT TALKING AND PRAYING TO HIM MORE. I AM TELLING YOU ALL THYE COMPLETE TRUTH. AND THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS………………………………………….

  104. on 12 Sep 2014 at 6:13 am 104.JANET MATHER said …

    BY THE WAY I WENT BACK AND READ SOME OF THE BLOGS. WHO ARE WE THAT WE CAN TELL GOD Anything-He made all of us. i am ashamed and cry for all of us. i have told you all the truth and i’m am not saying all evangelists that saw miracles were true but many were AND ARE, LIKE KATHERINE KULMAN, FROM YEARS AGO. MANY OF YOU YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE NOT HEARD OF HER BUT GOD DID MANY HEALING MIRACLES IN HER MEETINGS. THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS. MANY HAVE DIED NOW BUT THERE ARE SOME STILL ALIVE. SO I SAY TO HAWKINS AND OTHERS THAT I KNOW GOD IS REAL AND THAT JESUS DIED FOR MY SINS. AND NOTHING CAN STOP ME FROM KNOWING THAT. I AM STUPID FOR NOT PRAYING TO HIM MORE, IT IS NOT HIS FAULT. I WANT TO CRY FOR ALL OF YOU WHO DO NOT BELIEVE AND FOR MYSELF FOR NOT TALKING AND PRAYING TO HIM MORE. I AM TELLING YOU ALL THYE COMPLETE TRUTH. AND THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS………………………………………….
    WANTED TO SAY IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS TRUE.

  105. on 13 Sep 2014 at 1:54 pm 105.jeremy crofutt said …

    God is real and if you read the bible and do what it says then you will see and hear that god is real. God is a just god. God also is a loving god. A merciful god. Why was jesus bones never found? Cause his body was taken by god.

  106. on 13 Sep 2014 at 3:45 pm 106.alex said …

    “if you read the bible and do what it says…”

    says, quit being a bitch ass hypocrite and go to your room and pray. matthew 6:5-6

    now, shut the fuck up, asshole.

  107. on 13 Sep 2014 at 3:57 pm 107.alex said …

    matthew 6:5-6

    oh, sorry. i’m not a qualified theologibullshitian. only messenger, tj, and the rest of the morons are allowed to quote and/or translate the bullshit bible.

    10,000 year old earth, anyone?

  108. on 14 Sep 2014 at 2:34 am 108.TJ said …

    If your going to bring me into this this Alex, don’t be shy. Include my link so they can access all the bullshit words I’ve spoken. The ones you saw fit to record if you needed to destroy what I attribute to God.

    You’ve recorded all the links so it’s legit.

    They can surly judge for them selves?

  109. on 14 Sep 2014 at 12:00 pm 109.alex said …

    “I don’t discuss theology with an atheist.”

    your dipshit cousin said this. it’s not even about discussion. when your same, fucked up bible is quoted for the bullshit, you motherfuckers always resort to “out of context”, “this is the real interpretation”, or “not literal”.

    “Include my link…”

    do it yourself, you dumb motherfucker.

    “if you needed to destroy what I attribute to God.”

    are you denying your claim of the 10,000 year old earth? what exactly do i need to destroy? bullshit, after bullshit, you spew i don’t need to destroy, you dumb motherfucker.

  110. on 14 Sep 2014 at 11:21 pm 110.the messenger said …

    106.alex, you stupidity never leaves. Both you and fred are so dense in the head. its actually funny.

  111. on 14 Sep 2014 at 11:30 pm 111.the messenger said …

    109.alex, I already told you and Fred, the “Adam and eve and Noah story” is just a story that Moses used to teach the Jews about certain moral teachings.

    IT IS NOT LITERAL.

    THIS IS NOT A SELF INTERPRETATION, YOU IDIOTIC BULLCRAP, THIS INTERPRETATION HAS BEEN AROUND FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

  112. on 15 Sep 2014 at 2:01 am 112.DPK said …

    Now messy, you have repeatedly told us here that all the species we see in the world today evolved from the animals that Noah had on the ark.
    Now you are saying it’s just a myth? Make up your mind. Lol!

  113. on 15 Sep 2014 at 2:00 pm 113.alex said …

    “these few species of animals that were on the ark multiplied and evolved into different kinds of animals and kept multiplying and changing and forming new species, and eventually formed into the animals that are with us today.”

    “I already told you and Fred, the “Adam and eve and Noah story” is just a story that Moses used to teach the Jews about certain moral teachings.”

    courtesy of the same moron who spewed:
    “if a man rapes a woman that is not married, he is to bind himself to her”.

    don’t take my word for it. it’s all here: http://goo.gl/7fbnA4

    shut your ass, dumbass, messenger.

  114. on 16 Sep 2014 at 2:42 am 114.the messenger said …

    112.DPK, when I wrote about the “all the species we see in the world today evolved from the animals that Noah had on the ark ,theory” I was attempting to inform you all of some of the corrupted beliefs of some of the protestant minorities. I guess that I should have made that clear.

  115. on 16 Sep 2014 at 2:46 am 115.the messenger said …

    112.DPK, yes the Noah and Adam and eve story is not a historical account. It is in fact a metaphorical story, used by Moses, to teach the ancient Jews morality. It was not viewed as literal by them, and it is not viewed as literal by the catholic church.

  116. on 16 Sep 2014 at 2:49 am 116.the messenger said …

    113.alex, I here by dubth thee ,yonder idiot, “King of out of context”.

    Go forth, yonder simpleton, and wallow in the filth that spews from you mouth.

  117. on 24 Sep 2014 at 3:52 am 117.chelsea said …

    Gods not but he is alive

  118. on 24 Sep 2014 at 3:55 am 118.chelsea said …

    God is the king of kings and no matter what anyone says gods alive a
    nd does exist

  119. on 24 Sep 2014 at 3:58 am 119.chelsea said …

    Your getting this from a 16 year old and there you guys go acting like kids

  120. on 24 Sep 2014 at 4:00 am 120.chelsea said …

    God is real and that is that one day or a another you’ll find that to be true to, have you ever saw the movie gods not dead based on a true story stop denying the fact that GODS NOT DEAD

  121. on 24 Sep 2014 at 4:02 am 121.Anonymous said …

    GOD IS REAL you’ll Realize that one day but when the time is right

  122. on 24 Sep 2014 at 5:42 am 122.alex said …

    “GOD IS REAL”

    i’m wit ya, my mooslum bruh! let’s fuck up some xtian infidels. you wit me?

  123. on 25 Oct 2014 at 2:00 am 123.God is real said …

    God does answer your prayers it all depends what you ask for,what reason,if it will help you or harm you, and how your asking Him. You cannot deceive he knows the intentions for which you pray to Him. He does answer your prayers it all depends. God is the real god because all of the others have flaws. For example the Egyptian gods weren’t perfect they didn’t answer prayers,nor did miracles,they were just statues. Science has flaws as well. Their human,tell me one human that is perfect. In the bible it says ‘…they will be put to death’ yet that doesn’t mean we have to kill them, God takes care of that. Abortion is Gods plan,but it’s for a reason,it’s either a punishment or to prove to them that God exist. The stories you think is not true, are true because God is God he makes the impossible possible. The most unbelievable things,that you might not believe,but they are true. Even now people have experienced unnatural experiences,such as I. Many people have experienced near death experience in Africa,a place where it is not all that advanced. How can this drug be used there? As I said earlier God does answer prayers it all depends on the prayer. If you pray for money and he gives it to you what would you do with it? Waste it with prostitutes? Beer? Drugs? And you complain that God doesn’t give it to you,when in reality you should be thankful that He won’t let you fall into sin. The money we give is to expand His kingdom, so no one gets left behind. For example if we do events to evangelize people,that’s where the money comes from. But the hospital ask for sooo much money for something simple and everything for scientist revolves around money. Isn’t that a little weird? There is for a fact that scientist confess that God is real, But don’t wanna say anything because they’ll lose costumers. Christianism contains NO magic. It isn’t ‘the magical star’ it was the North Star,the resurrection, a miracle etc. there’s proof that God exist through the miracles that people,such as I, have experienced. He appeared to humans when he was on earth, not now because He’s not on earth anymore and nobody is ready to see him. Just like the president,what things do you have to do just to see the president? When back in the day they would walk their dogs outside and meet people just like regular people. People see angels, though. If you don’t believe about the flood and Noah’s Ark well, then why is there more water than earth? In the end if you read the bible and the history and everything, it will make sense.
    God is real
    God bless you
    And I hope you will open your eyes
    Satan is the father of lies, darkness and destruction, be careful.

  124. on 27 Oct 2014 at 11:17 am 124.freddies_dead said …

    123.God is real said …

    God does answer your prayers it all depends what you ask for,what reason,if it will help you or harm you, and how your asking Him.

    Watch as God is real sets it up so that absolutely any answer, including no answer, is an actual answer to your prayer.

    You cannot deceive he knows the intentions for which you pray to Him.

    It is also claimed that He has a plan so why are you trying to get Him to alter that plan just so you can find your keys?

    He does answer your prayers it all depends.

    Any answer at all, including no answer. How convenient.

    God is the real god because all of the others have flaws.

    Like being genocidal perhaps? Or, despite being allegedly perfect, managing to create something that isn’t?

    For example the Egyptian gods weren’t perfect they didn’t answer prayers,nor did miracles,they were just statues.

    I guess God is real hasn’t really checked out the Egyptian Gods. Horus (an Egyptian precursor to Jesus) was said to heal the sick, walk on water and raise the dead (Christians might recognise those feats). The Egyptians also prayed to their Gods and interpreted what happened next as answers to those prayers – just like Christians do.

    Science has flaws as well.

    And, unlike the Bible, a way to overcome them.

    Their human,tell me one human that is perfect. In the bible it says ‘…they will be put to death’ yet that doesn’t mean we have to kill them, God takes care of that.

    Humpty Dumpty…

    Abortion is Gods plan,but it’s for a reason,it’s either a punishment or to prove to them that God exist.

    Lolwut?

    The stories you think is not true, are true because God is God he makes the impossible possible. The most unbelievable things,that you might not believe,but they are true. Even now people have experienced unnatural experiences,such as I. Many people have experienced near death experience in Africa,a place where it is not all that advanced.

    And where those “experiences” cannot be verified. Convenient.

    How can this drug be used there? As I said earlier God does answer prayers it all depends on the prayer. If you pray for money and he gives it to you what would you do with it? Waste it with prostitutes? Beer? Drugs? And you complain that God doesn’t give it to you,when in reality you should be thankful that He won’t let you fall into sin.

    See? Any answer. You pray for money and getting it is God answering your prayer. However, so is God not giving you money. Where’s the control here?

    The money we give is to expand His kingdom, so no one gets left behind.

    Why does your omnipotent God need money to achieve His goals?

    For example if we do events to evangelize people,that’s where the money comes from. But the hospital ask for sooo much money for something simple and everything for scientist revolves around money. Isn’t that a little weird? There is for a fact that scientist confess that God is real, But don’t wanna say anything because they’ll lose costumers.

    And Heaven knows they won’t be able to continue without costumers. After all where will they get the lab coats and stethoscopes?

    Christianism contains NO magic. It isn’t ‘the magical star’ it was the North Star,the resurrection, a miracle etc. there’s proof that God exist through the miracles that people,such as I, have experienced. He appeared to humans when he was on earth, not now because He’s not on earth anymore and nobody is ready to see him. Just like the president,what things do you have to do just to see the president?

    Turn on the TV? Can God not figure out how to work a camera?

    When back in the day they would walk their dogs outside and meet people just like regular people. People see angels, though. If you don’t believe about the flood and Noah’s Ark well, then why is there more water than earth?

    This is wrong. While roughly two thirds of the earth’s surface is covered in water only about 0.5% of the planet overall is water.

    In the end if you read the bible and the history and everything, it will make sense.
    God is real
    God bless you
    And I hope you will open your eyes
    Satan is the father of lies, darkness and destruction, be careful.

    How can I distinguish between your God and something you may simply be imagining?

  125. on 31 Jan 2015 at 8:35 am 125.Martin Jacobus van Staden said …

    Who ever runs this site is really trying to understand what God is all about, and is looking for the answers here with arguments and real life situations.
    This person and so many others will tear apart anything that goes against his believes because he / she is too scared that they might have been wrong about every thing and how it supposed to be.

    I cannot cure cancer trough one prayer for some one else. It is that persons will that can cure him of sin, and start living in the truth and be protected by the blood of God’s Lam Jesus.
    But now it is sites like these that will be one of the obstacles for a person with cancer to allow a person to start the processes of forgiveness from God, and to forgive his sisters and brothers (human beings) that has wronged him, and very importantly self forgiveness, to recognize the sins of his fore fathers and to ask for forgiveness for that as well.

    God is mush deeper than you think and way bigger, to compare him with a human is a sin and who ever you are you will answer for that, I have no doubt that you do recognize him. Even though you are fighting it with all you got. If you really knew Him you will fall on your knees and ask for forgiveness and start live your gift (life) in His light.
    He will forgive you and we will never see you here again, well maybe if you are like me and is wondering what is up with this site.

    Seek and you shall find!!!!!!!!!
    Don’t darken all the clues in the bible with earthly argument to send you on another road. We all know how strict the bible makes God sound.
    Complete obedience is all he requests for ever lasting live. If you have sinned, ask for forgiveness and feel it and do your utmost best not to sin again for sins have their punishment and toxic thoughts their bad out comes. But God always want to turn you back to him cause his road is hard to understand and difficult to walk, his gift is very expensive for the ” in the moment person.”
    But ones you know him you realized you lost nothing but gained what was unthinkable to you before.

    Free will (obey or disobey) its that simple.

    Amen

  126. on 31 Jan 2015 at 3:22 pm 126.alex said …

    “Who ever runs this site is really trying to understand what God is all about, and is looking for the answers here with arguments and real life situations.”

    wrong, motherfucker. gods are bullshit and you’re challenged to prove it otherwise, which you haven’t. that’s gods, you bitchass. includes ra, jesus, and zeus.

    “This person and so many others will tear apart anything that goes against his believes because he / she is too scared…”

    wrong again, bitchass. hell is as fearsome as they get. where the scared atheists?

    “God is mush deeper than you think and way bigger..”

    you motherfuckers claim god is omnipotent, how much bigger can you get, you dumbass?

    fucking asshole. stick your bible in it, motherfucker.

  127. on 31 Jan 2015 at 5:10 pm 127.Anonymous said …

    believers rule the world
    athiest take it up the anus

  128. on 31 Jan 2015 at 6:52 pm 128.LoveUvGod said …

    You athiest are crazy.

    Who is going to believe your paranoid drivel making out like Christians are some beast or something.

    Pound for pound person for person it is athiests (those who call them selves christian or otherwise) not true believers who are responsible for 99% of the evil in the world.

    You speak things you do not know of.

  129. on 01 Feb 2015 at 1:34 am 129.Hell Yeah said …

    “Pound for pound person for person it is athiests (those who call them selves christian or otherwise) not true believers who are responsible for 99% of the evil in the world.”

    Define evil. Is it drinking? Is it watching porn, going to strip clubs, or having casual sex? Or are priests that are pedophiles, or people that kill in the name of religion worse? There are people that kill no matter what belief they have. Yes, atheists are included. But you don’t have people killing others in the name of no belief of a god. And many of your priests are just gay guys who wanted to hide being gay from their family so they decided to be a priest, just not all act on being gay. There are pedophiles in every kind of belief, including atheism. So how can you claim that 99% of the evil in the world is caused by non-true believers. Suicide bombers are true believers in their religion.

    The point is, the evil which you speak of doesn’t come from non-belief in a higher power. Non-evil, or morals, comes from wanting to survive in society and live as long as you can.

  130. on 01 Feb 2015 at 1:37 am 130.Hell Yeah said …

    “believers rule the world
    athiest take it up the anus”

    Your mom must be an atheist then, because she took it up the anus last night. LOL

  131. on 01 Feb 2015 at 2:43 pm 131.alex said …

    “Pound for pound person for person it is athiests (those who call them selves christian or otherwise) not true believers who are responsible for 99% of the evil in the world.”

    what? because you says so? virgins in heaven? because you says so? earth is less that 10,000 years old? because you says so? you’re going to heaven? because you says you do the shit that that you think you need to do to get it? regardless that most of your moronic xtian homies have different requirements for getting in?

    how about you stick your bible up your ass, pull it out and see if the likeness of the shit jesus is imprinted on the page. take a picture, upload it to your google drive and url shorten the motherfucker and post it here.

    then i will bow and pray to your shit god.

  132. on 02 Feb 2015 at 5:52 pm 132.freddies_dead said …

    128.LoveUvGod said …

    You athiest are crazy.

    What about us atheists? And what credentials do you have that enable you to diagnose mental health issues based on posts on a website?

    Who is going to believe your paranoid drivel making out like Christians are some beast or something.

    It’s not Christians that are beasts but the imaginary God they claim to believe in. A beast that, according to his alleged own word, condones slavery and commits genocide. A beast that will torture you for all eternity regardless of what kind of person you may be – depending only on whether you suck up to Him or not.

    Pound for pound person for person it is athiests (those who call them selves christian or otherwise) not true believers who are responsible for 99% of the evil in the world.

    I see LoveUvGod is confused by the concept of atheism, so confused that he/she cannot even spell it correctly, so confused in fact that he/she seems to think that it includes people who call themselves Christians. And he/she then goes on to double down on that confusion by pulling a random statistic out of his/her arse and presenting it as if it’s a fact.

    You speak things you do not know of.

    That would be the pot calling the kettle black.

  133. on 02 Feb 2015 at 6:12 pm 133.THE DEVIL said …

    That’s not my word on your lips athiest guys.

    That my cock up your arse, coming through your stomach up your throat and spouting my devil spawn through your front teeth.

  134. on 02 Feb 2015 at 7:00 pm 134.LUCIFER said …

    Swallow my spunk properly now athiest guys we need you to be burping blasphemies.

  135. on 02 Feb 2015 at 7:25 pm 135.Anonymous said …

    Well my mother is a believer and I was beside my mother last night and nothing like that happened.

    However I have personally serviced quite a few athiest up the ass.

    Do you need the statistics? Cause I have never sodommed a believer in my life.

    But I have devastated quite a few athiestic anuses with my oversize rod of Iron.

  136. on 02 Feb 2015 at 7:26 pm 136.Anonymous said …

    Not every person who says they are a Christian really believe dumbass.

  137. on 02 Feb 2015 at 7:36 pm 137.Anonymous said …

    i may have buggered one or two believers not more than you can count on one hand.

    believers tend to have that hey hey did you pray kind a butt

    athiest have the legs high in the air and fill her up mister kind of butt.

    believers butts tend to be hard like Pharaoh’s heart

    the athiest butts tend to be juicy, tender, savoury usually because they have already been broken in.

  138. on 02 Feb 2015 at 11:35 pm 138.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    LoveUvGod,

    Well, you are correct. Pound for Pound, atheists are responsible for more death and pain than any other group. Realize it is their delusion, their own god complex that allows them to redefine good and evil based on their own personal self-serving preferences. No standard exists for atheists therefore they define the rules as they see fit. They do not see their evil for what it is, rather as their delusion demands.

    Can they do good? Sure, but they have no standard to condemn evil therefore all actions can be good if the individual defines it.

    They truly are quite the mess….:)

  139. on 03 Feb 2015 at 2:49 am 139.Hell Yeah said …

    “Can they do good? Sure, but they have no standard to condemn evil therefore all actions can be good if the individual defines it.
    They truly are quite the mess….:)”

    Yes, I am such a mess. Me and my fellow atheists can’t stop from killing others and giving others pain. And we can’t stop declaring wars on the non-existent of a god.

    Good is about surviving in society and not harming others in order for the society to flourish. Why would that need invisible magic? Evil is about selfishness. Anyone, including believers in invisible magic, can have selfishness.

  140. on 03 Feb 2015 at 5:16 am 140.Hell Yeah said …

    “Well my mother is a believer and I was beside my mother last night and nothing like that happened.”

    That is because it was the night before, which would have been the previous night. By the way, you sleep with your mother? You sure she didn’t ask you what that was poking her?

  141. on 03 Feb 2015 at 5:27 am 141.Hell Yeah said …

    “However I have personally serviced quite a few athiest up the ass.”

    Aren’t you a true believer who believes in a god that hates gays? So what you are saying is your god hates you?

  142. on 03 Feb 2015 at 10:17 am 142.freddies_dead said …

    136.Anonymous said …

    Not every person who says they are a Christian really believe dumbass.

    Oh look, Anonymous can tell exactly who is a true believer and who isn’t.

    Is it just the ones like you who fantasise about having “devastated quite a few athiestic anuses with my oversize rod of Iron” that are the true believers?

    Is this the one true test of your belief?

    Doesn’t sound very Christian to me and if you’re not a true Christian then I guess that makes you an atheist. Makes you the very thing you hate and want to fuck up the arse.

    You’re definitely a strange one.

  143. on 03 Feb 2015 at 11:09 am 143.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    LoveUvGod,

    Yeah kindly provide us with his definition of Good. Surviving……what did that mean to Lenin? To Mao? Hitler? All thought they were doing Good. Remember, if you have an atheist over to the house count the silverware when they leave…:)

  144. on 03 Feb 2015 at 3:27 pm 144.freddies_dead said …

    138.A The Lying Prick posting as A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    LoveUvGod,

    Well, you are correct.

    He simply isn’t.

    Pound for Pound, atheists are responsible for more death and pain than any other group.

    Coming from a Christian this is utterly hilarious.

    The lying prick believes in a God that created and planned everything. Is the cause of everything. Nothing happens but for the will of this God.

    His God created death, famine and disease and inflicted it on humans because one of them ate a piece of fruit.

    Not content with simply committing genocide whenever His temper gets the best of Him, this God also created every murderer and planned for their murders to occur. Created every disease and picked who would suffer and die from them. Planned famines and picked who would starve to death because of them.

    On the Christian worldview God is responsible for every single death ever, including the ones LoveUvGod and the lying prick are trying to pin on atheists.

    And then, after the innumerable deaths this God has planned, He then goes on to torture vast numbers of humans for all eternity too.

    Realize it is their delusion, their own god complex that allows them to redefine good and evil based on their own personal self-serving preferences.

    Oh the irony. The lying prick’s God gets to redefine good and evil at will depending on it’s own self-serving preferences – murder is bad mmm’kay, unless it’s done by God of course. Then it’s good and just.

    No standard exists for atheists therefore they define the rules as they see fit.

    This is simply a lie. I have an objective standard. A standard that holds regardless of what anyone wishes, wants or demands. A standard the lying prick cannot match because he professes to hold a worldview that is mired in subjectivism.

    As noted, good is whatever his God does or says and on that basis abhorrent practices such as slavery and genocide are just fine according to God’s own word in the Bible.

    They do not see their evil for what it is, rather as their delusion demands.

    Of course the lying prick doesn’t have a standard by which he can call anything or anyone evil.

    After all his worldview says it’s OK to torture someone for all eternity simply because they didn’t believe a certain way. They may have lived their lives being productive members of society, committing no crimes, helping those less fortunate etc… but it’s still the lake of fire and eternal torment for them after God kills them. Apparently that’s fine, but daring to question the existence of his God makes you evil.

    Can they do good? Sure, but they have no standard to condemn evil therefore all actions can be good if the individual defines it.

    This is simply the lying prick making an autobiographical statement. In fact he needs to steal objectivity from the atheist’s worldview in order to formulate a standard which he then uses to try and deny atheism.

    They truly are quite the mess….:)

    And the autobiographical statements just keep coming.

  145. on 03 Feb 2015 at 3:42 pm 145.freddies_dead said …

    143.A The Lying Prick posting as A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    LoveUvGod,

    Yeah kindly provide us with his definition of Good.

    Why doesn’t the lying prick present his own standard instead? Probably because he knows that his own worldview gives him nothing. That he needs a solid foundation on which to build his house of cards. That he’ll need to steal from my worldview to build that foundation or he’ll be stuck with the shifting sands of his inherently subjective Christian worldview.

    Surviving……what did that mean to Lenin? To Mao? Hitler? All thought they were doing Good.

    Well Hitler at least felt he was doing God’s work and, on the Christian worldview, regardless of what any of them thought, they were all doing God’s work. Carrying out God’s plan to keep filling that lake of fire.

    Remember, if you have an atheist over to the house count the silverware when they leave…:)

    Remember, if you have a Christian over to your house he thinks you’ll burn for all eternity in a lake of fire and that will be a good thing as his God decreed it.

  146. on 03 Feb 2015 at 4:53 pm 146.Anonymous said …

    “137.Anonymous said …

    i may have buggered one or two believers not more than you can count on one hand.

    believers tend to have that hey hey did you pray kind a butt

    athiest have the legs high in the air and fill her up mister kind of butt.

    believers butts tend to be hard like Pharaoh’s heart
    the athiest butts tend to be juicy, tender, savoury usually because they have already been broken in”

    NOW

    1 Timothy 3 TEACHES

    3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

    JUST A JOKE IF A MAN DESIRES THE OFFICE OF A BISHOP;

    The OFFICE Not the ORIFICE As In The RECTAL ORIFICE

    AND

    2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

    3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

    4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

    5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

    6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

    7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

    8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

    9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

    10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

    11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

    12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

    13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:

    15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

    16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    AS YET THESE MEN ARE NOT AS EVIL HOPEFULLY AS THEY ARE MISGUIDED.

    WITH TIME WITH CONFRONTATION OF THE WORD OF GOD THEY WILL HOPEFULLY INCREASE IN UNDERSTANDING. BUT WE MUST CONFRONT THEM WITH THE SPIRITS OF HOLINESS NOT THE SPIRIT OF LUCIFER

    :(

  147. on 03 Feb 2015 at 4:55 pm 147.Anonymous said …

    “137.Anonymous said …
    i may have buggered one or two believers not more than you can count on one hand.”

    ANONYMOUS I TAKE IT YOU MEAN YOU FANTASISED WHILE MASTURBATING

    AT LEAST

    DON’T LET THESE MEN PERTURBED, DISTURB, UPSET, FRUSTRATE, OR ANGER YOU

  148. on 04 Feb 2015 at 12:26 am 148.TJ said …

    freddies_dead said …

    “On the Christian worldview God is responsible for every single death ever, including the ones LoveUvGod and the lying prick are trying to pin on atheists.”

    This is simply not true.

    Believers recognize God as the supreme authority, having a plan, which includes humanities personal free will to choose eternity in fellowship with God… or choose eternal separation from God, via rejection, denial and accusations as above.

    It is the atheistic view of “Christianity” that is reflected in the statement quoted above, and not the “Christian worldview”.

  149. on 04 Feb 2015 at 10:21 am 149.freddies_dead said …

    148.TJ said …

    freddies_dead said …

    “On the Christian worldview God is responsible for every single death ever, including the ones LoveUvGod and the lying prick are trying to pin on atheists.”

    This is simply not true.

    Except that it really is when we consider the claims of Christianity and the meaning of words like “create”, “omniscience” and “plan”. The Bible states quite clearly that God did the first, is the second and has the third. It tells us that God introduced death, disease and famine when He ejected Adam and Eve from the garden of Eden for the crime of eating a fruit. It tells us that God created everyone and everything and has things all planned out to achieve His own glory. If that is truly the case then logically God is ultimately responsible for every single death ever as I correctly noted.

    Believers recognize God as the supreme authority, having a plan, which includes humanities personal free will to choose eternity in fellowship with God… or choose eternal separation from God, via rejection, denial and accusations as above.

    As it’s already been shown that omniscience + a plan is entirely incompatible with the concept of free will then this claim doesn’t even get off the ground. There is simply no way you can have free will when an omniscient entity has already planned what will happen. It’s just a failed attempt to absolve God of the consequences of His actions and put the blame on His failed creation instead.

    It is the atheistic view of “Christianity” that is reflected in the statement quoted above, and not the “Christian worldview”.

    It is actually the logical conclusion based on Christianity’s claims. That believers don’t like this fact doesn’t change this fact in any way.

  150. on 04 Feb 2015 at 4:02 pm 150.DPK said …

    TJ like to present a viewpoint far different from mainstream Christian beliefs (as contradictory as they are) in his own self admitted effort to “rationalize” the obvious contradictions of the properties normally attributed to the christian god. But, look at what he considers the ultimate authority and infallible source of truth about the matter, and we find that god has indeed pre-determined who will be saved and who will not… even “before the foundation of the world”. Sorry, TJ, your claim of god giving us free will doesn’t pass biblical muster.

    “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”

    “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.”

  151. on 04 Feb 2015 at 10:48 pm 151.alex said …

    “Sorry, TJ, your claim of god giving us free will doesn’t pass biblical muster.”

    but his omnipotent god can do anything. even contradictions are cake for his god. any evidence presented, he reserves the right to doubt, thereby casting his god view as a viable alternative.

    in his mind, dating methods are iffy, therefore, his 10,000 year old earth is an equivalent alternative to the 4 billion+ year old dated earth. ark and the animals? why is that so hard for a god? evolution is iffy for the motherfuckers anyways, so why is the ark so far fetched?

    fuck these motherfuckers.

  152. on 04 Feb 2015 at 11:01 pm 152.DPK said …

    “but his omnipotent god can do anything. even contradictions are cake for his god.”

    But TJ has tols us time and again, that only truth is found in the bible, and the bible tells us flat out that god has predestined those who will be saved… even “before the foundation of the world.” So how does that fit with the idea of free will? What now, the claim will be that god determined who will be saved, but also that those who will be saved will be saved of their own free will! Simple.. LOL! Or perhaps he will chime in with some other nonsensical explanation about what god “really” meant. Or, perhaps the last resort of christian brainwashing…. “It is not possible for us to understand it, but we trust it is true anyway…”

  153. on 05 Feb 2015 at 2:15 am 153.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Alex!

    I luv you man! Sorry your sex life is so scant brother but keep you head up! Things will get better. Hey, maybe you will meet a guy or gal on this blog. Good luck With that bra!

    Hey, isn’t it funny how atheists spend so much time arguing about Santa?

    Lol!!!!!!!!!

  154. on 05 Feb 2015 at 3:02 am 154.alex said …

    Scant sex life? No complaints from your mom. Call me dad, ya bitch motherfucker.

  155. on 05 Feb 2015 at 4:16 am 155.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Oh Alex you smooth talking Casanova! You are such a card! Luv ya bra!

  156. on 05 Feb 2015 at 4:50 am 156.Hell Yeah said …

    “Hey, isn’t it funny how atheists spend so much time arguing about Santa?”

    Seems Santa hasn’t been brought up in a long time until you just brought it up. But since you mention it, do you believe in Santa? I assume not because you were told as a kid he doesn’t really exist and then you thought things through and realized the stories are just stories and that Santa can’t really deliver all those presents in one night. In order for Santa to be real, magic would have to be real. And the same logic can be applied to the stories of the bible, which then correlates to the god of the bible or any god for that matter. Problem is, no one you looked up to told you that Jesus and god aren’t real, so that is why you still believe. Both Santa and religion are brainwashed into kids’ heads at a young age. That is why Santa is brought up as a comparison.

  157. on 05 Feb 2015 at 5:03 am 157.Hell Yeah said …

    “Good luck With that bra!”

    Are you referring to the piece of clothing that women wear, or did you mean “bro”?

    Remember, if you have a Christian over to the house, make sure the little boys that were present weren’t touched before they leave.

    ——————–

    Also, the Pope said that atheists can get into heaven. So either you believers are wasting your time going to church every Sunday while we sleep in, or the Christian god doesn’t really know who he appoints to represent him in present day. And if the Pope is wrong, then how can you believe the bible isn’t wrong? Both were inspired by god, right?

  158. on 05 Feb 2015 at 9:35 pm 158.DPK said …

    “Also, the Pope said that atheists can get into heaven”

    Messenger told us everyone goes to heaven eventually, and also that it is perfectly acceptable to own someone as a slave and force them to work for you as long as you need them to support your family. Also that rapists should be forced to marry their victims.
    This Pope seems to be somewhat less of a douchebag as previous ones… although I am frequently mystified by some of his shit.. Like chastising people for having children irresponsibly while still claiming it is sinful to use birth control. WTF? In my catholic upbringing we were taught that availing oneself of the pleasure of marital relations without the act being “open to the transmission of life” was a sin. Seems not being “open to the transmission of life” shouldn’t matter if it is withdraw, the rhythm method, or a rubber or diaphragm. If your intent is to have the pleasure of sex without making a baby… that’s against god’s law, ain’t it? LOL
    I suppose we should be thankful the Vatican finally agreed they were wrong about Galileo, although I think they still have some apologies due Bruno…. whatever happened to that whole “Papal Infallibility” principal? I guess maybe it doesn’t apply to the idea of a geocentric model of the universe??

  159. on 05 Feb 2015 at 10:52 pm 159.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Lol!!!!!, the atheists still debating Santa!! Too much.

    Now we get a Pope blast. I wonder why the Pope is an obsession for atheists? Shouldn’t atheists be moving on to things they believe are actually real? Very funny stuff but we all know why they ate obsessed with God. :)

    Luv ya Alex!

  160. on 06 Feb 2015 at 2:33 am 160.Hell Yeah said …

    “Lol!!!!!, the atheists still debating Santa!! Too much.”

    Aren’t you the one who brought up the subject? Usually with debates, when one brings up a subject, that gives the next person a turn to talk about the subject. Or is that all you have to say because you have nothing?

    —————-

    “Now we get a Pope blast. I wonder why the Pope is an obsession for atheists?”

    It’s called bringing up topics in a debate where the person who brings it up has good points that they want to address.

    I am surprised you Christians aren’t all up in arms about the Pope saying atheists can get into heaven. He is basically throwing away your way of life of worshiping when both theists and atheists can get into heaven (if it turns out that magic is real where a heaven actually exists). You are doing all the work while we live normal lives without having to worry about if we prayed enough, and yet have the same outcome. Now that deserves a LOL!!!!!!

    I wonder why Jesus is an obsession for Christians? He is basically a messenger of god like the Pope, and it seems like it doesn’t matter what the Pope says. Maybe in a hundred years from now a book will be written about the current Pope and a religion will form…..oh, wait….LOL.

  161. on 06 Feb 2015 at 2:42 am 161.Hell Yeah said …

    “Very funny stuff but we all know why they ate obsessed with God. :)”

    We ate god? Ah, that is why we can’t find him. He turned to shit.

    So why do you think atheists are obsessed with god? Is it because we waste numerous hours out of our precious lives every week praying to him? Oh, wait, that is theists. But the question you probably meant is “why do atheists bring up to theists that their beliefs aren’t real?” That is because a big mass of people are misinformed and make decisions that affect other people in a negative way because of it.

  162. on 06 Feb 2015 at 4:18 pm 162.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Lol!!!!!

    Oh! Atheist come to this blog and obsess over God to save the misinformed….here….on WWGHA. Well…..how is that working out? Atheists reassuring atheists they are correct! Lol!!!!!

    First thing Mr Yeah you need to be informed with more than “aien’t no god” pooh jokes and momma jokes…lol!!!!

    Now you brought up the pope. Why should I care about the pope? Is he coming to your atheist church Sunday? Hmm? Will he he training atheists pastors? Website for that down for atheist pastor training?

    ROTFL!!!!!!!

    Luv Me Yeah!

  163. on 06 Feb 2015 at 4:22 pm 163.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Oh Mr Yeah,

    I forgot the funniest claim you made. This is not a debate…..this is a BLOG and a dead one at that. OMG!

    Get a hold of yourself my boy. You claim you can carry on a debate with pooh jokes as your best research……ROTFL!!!!!!

  164. on 07 Feb 2015 at 1:32 am 164.Hell Yeah said …

    “Why should I care about the pope? Is he coming to your atheist church Sunday? Hmm? Will he he training atheists pastors? Website for that down for atheist pastor training?”

    I guess you don’t know his this works. This site is about backing up claims for the existence of god by the theists and showing why the theists have no proof by the atheists. The pope is just one example that can be used. Also, atheists don’t have churches and pastors. Why should we care about Jesus or god? Are any of them going to actually show up anywhere to prove they exist? Why are you on this site? Is it because you question your beliefs?

    ———————-

    “this is a BLOG and a dead one at that”

    It is dead because of people like you who have no substance.

    ———————

    “First thing Mr Yeah you need to be informed with more than “aien’t no god” pooh jokes and momma jokes…lol!!!!”

    I guess you don’t read everything I write then, because I have actual information while you give nothing other than Lol, OMG, and ROTFL. Until you give something with substance, you will be ignored until then. By the way, are you afraid to say shit so instead you have to say pooh? Now that is funny. And you can’t say my full name because you can’t say hell? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  165. on 07 Feb 2015 at 2:12 pm 165.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Lol!!!!!, its hilarious watching atheists scramble.

    “This site is about backing up claims for the existence of god by the theists ”

    Actually its about exploring religion. And have you read the “proofs” of Gods non-existence? Hilarious verbal fallacies…lol!!! But I will examine your claim when you provide a wwgha link that supports……”snicker”

    “atheists don’t have churches and pastors”

    Still in the Dark Ages? Atheist have churches and pastors. Try a quick google search. Before you come back do your due diligence. You ignorance is embarrassing……lol!!!!!

    OH!, your pope does nothing to disprove god. Feel free to follow Mr Yeah. :)

  166. on 09 Feb 2015 at 11:01 pm 166.alex said …

    “your pope does nothing to disprove god”

    oh, it’s our pope now? like messenger is ours too? like obama is ours too? what about mitt? is he ours too?

    you’re a dumbass motherfucker. you think you know what a real xtian is, and anybody that doesn’t agree with you is fulla shit. that includes atheists and other motherfuckers that don’t agree with your dumbass.

    dumbass, motherfucker, dumbass.

  167. on 13 Feb 2015 at 12:34 am 167.TJ said …

    DPK said…

    TJ like to present a viewpoint far different from mainstream Christian beliefs (as contradictory as they are) in his own self admitted effort to “rationalize” the obvious contradictions of the properties normally attributed to the christian god. But, look at what he considers the ultimate authority and infallible source of truth about the matter, and we find that god has indeed pre-determined who will be saved and who will not… even “before the foundation of the world”. Sorry, TJ, your claim of god giving us free will doesn’t pass biblical muster.

    “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”

    “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.”

    Tell me DPK, is it your personal interpretation of the above passages that make you assume that they apply to every individual ever born?

    I see reference to “saints” and the elect, those chosen to fulfill God’s purpose throughout the ages. Surly the wording of these passages does not imply all of mankind, but instead a select few chosen to be predestined for Gods purpose.

    ?

  168. on 13 Feb 2015 at 4:35 am 168.DPK said …

    “Tell me DPK, is it your personal interpretation of the above passages that make you assume that they apply to every individual ever born?”

    Hmmm… So your contention is now that some of us have free will and our future actions have not been determined by god, while others do not?
    Curious.

    So how are we to determine which of us are acting “according to the purpose of his will” and which of us are not? I mean, the 9/11 bombers were supposedly doing gods will, and they were very successful, certainly god did nothing to stop them, so a rational assumption would be that they were indeed chosen by God and acting in accordance with his will. No?

    Since it is clear from the bible, that if not ALL of us, at least SOME of us are in fact predestined to think a certain way, act a certain way, and do specific things that God has determined “even before the foundation of the world”, perhaps my atheism is actually predetermined by God. Isn’t it awfully presumptuous of you to assume otherwise?

  169. on 13 Feb 2015 at 11:59 am 169.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, what happened to atheists who are suppose to know more about theology than Christians? Anyhow, there is not a present past and future with God therefore God exists in all states of time. God also gives all men a free will but also knows the choices since God exists in all realms. God’s knowledge does not eliminate free will.

    But Dippity Dew claims no free will so lets test his theory shall we.

    Dip, make a choice for us. You can wear your pink dress today or your black dress today. Make the choice and report back.

    We then will move to step 2.

    Late!

  170. on 13 Feb 2015 at 12:01 pm 170.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Oh, please tell the atheists to stop murdering Americans is the streets. Geez, of all the moral codes to choose they go with survival of the fittest.

  171. on 13 Feb 2015 at 2:10 pm 171.freddies_dead said …

    169.A the lying prick posting as A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, what happened to atheists who are suppose to know more about theology than Christians?

    Of course we’re all still here, but A will continue to deny reality as long as it clashes with his Christian delusion i.e. all the time.

    Anyhow, there is not a present past and future with God therefore God exists in all states of time.

    Mmmm, yummy word salad. There isn’t a present, past and future with God is somehow equal to “God exists in all states of time”. I guess He exists in all states of time except the present, past and future then.

    God also gives all men a free will but also knows the choices since God exists in all realms.

    All realms except the present, past and future of course.

    God’s knowledge does not eliminate free will.

    But as we know it’s God doing the knowing then the fact He has a plan does eliminate free will.

    But Dippity Dew claims no free will so lets test his theory shall we.

    Of course DPK already presented a test on free will theory for A (and any other Christians willing to give it a go):

    “If God knows I will choose A is there any way I can choose B instead?”

    A did his usual cowardly job of avoiding answering the question and running away – although tbf I don’t recall any of the other Christians giving it a go either.

    Dip, make a choice for us. You can wear your pink dress today or your black dress today. Make the choice and report back.

    We then will move to step 2.

    Late!

    Lets plug these choices into DPK’s original test shall we and see if A is prepared to answer it this time?

    If God knows that DPK will choose to wear the pink dress today is there any way DPK can choose to wear the black one instead?

  172. on 13 Feb 2015 at 2:15 pm 172.freddies_dead said …

    170.A the lying prick posting as A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Oh, please tell the atheists to stop murdering Americans is the streets. Geez, of all the moral codes to choose they go with survival of the fittest.

    Oh, please tell the Christians of the Central African Republic to stop murdering muslims in the streets. Geez, of all the moral codes to choose they go with God’s choice of “might makes right”.

    Oh, please tell the muslims of ISIS to stop murdering people in the streets. Geez, of all the moral codes to choose they go with Allah’s choice of “might makes right”.

  173. on 13 Feb 2015 at 3:56 pm 173.DPK said …

    “Dip, make a choice for us. You can wear your pink dress today or your black dress today. Make the choice and report back.
    We then will move to step 2.”

    Ok, I have made a choice. Now, if god knows which choice I will make, does there exist any possibility that my choice will be different and that he is wrong?

    Answer and THEN we will move to step 2.

  174. on 13 Feb 2015 at 7:45 pm 174.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “Ok, I have made a choice”

    Than you Dip. In your own words you just acknowledged you had a choice….and thus a free will.

    No chance God was wrong. He exists in all realms of time and knew your choice. No need to rehash that fact.

    Lets continue the test and see. You went with dress ????.

  175. on 13 Feb 2015 at 8:30 pm 175.DPK said …

    Nope…. if god actually knew which dress I would choose, if I was indeed free to choose any other, or perhaps a smart pair of slacks and a crisp shirt, (and don’t think your misogynistic dress comment goes unnoticed haha.. true to your christian core values that lesser creatures wear dresses, that) that would mean god was wrong, which is not possible. Therefore, if your god indeed knew what I would pick I was never in any sense free to choose.

    In fact though, I AM free to choose.. because no gods have a perfect knowledge of what I will do, because they are nothing more than a figment of your imagination. So, you are right, but for the completely wrong reason. LOL. Now, go beat up some gays. LOL…

  176. on 13 Feb 2015 at 9:06 pm 176.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    lol!!!!

    I thought you to be a woman. That insults you, huh? lol!!!!

    The fact you view a dress as misogynistic just goes to prove you are. If I had stated “pants” you would not have felt devalued. Then you come back with a gay blast out of nowhere. You are a misogynistic homophobe!

    Well, you refuse to complete the test…probably part of your misogynistic homophobia but I am correct once again. You made a choice, you wouldn’t share the choice but you made one and you continue to have free will although God did know, does know and will know.

  177. on 13 Feb 2015 at 10:28 pm 177.alex said …

    “…you made one and you continue to have free will although God did know, does know and will know.”

    what a fucking moron. god knows beforehand, but you still have free will. what a fucking idiot.

    according to your dumbass, god can’t murder, but he kills people anyways. what a fucking moron you are. should i continue?

  178. on 14 Feb 2015 at 1:52 am 178.DPK said …

    “I thought you to be a woman. That insults you, huh? lol!!!!”

    You’re not even a good liar… hahaha… with all your practice that’s surprising. Usually one gets good at what they make a habit, but you don’t. LOL

    Now, the test is complete and you have lost. You said clearly “No chance God was wrong. He exists in all realms of time and knew your choice.”

    So, if he knew my choice in all realms of time (not sure what that even means.. LOL.. but whatever) then there is no possibility I can choose anything else. How can your myopic brain insist that I have free will to choose anything else, when I cannot? There is no chance god could be wrong, therefore I cannot choose anything OTHER than what he knows. You can ramble on incoherently all you want about living outside of time, but if something is known, it is fixed and cannot be changed. PERIOD.

  179. on 14 Feb 2015 at 5:01 am 179.TJ said …

    The question is?… when does God “know” what choice you have made?

    “Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.”

    Does this show conclusively that the words are pre-determined? by God?

    Or

    If the following is true…

    Colossians 1:16-17
    “16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

    Hebrews 4:13
    “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”

    Then? Is it possible that by simply consciously making a choice, it is immediately known to God? Just as changing your mind would also be immediately know to God… faster than the time it takes to process a thought into speech?

    To say any more is to speculate… surly?

  180. on 14 Feb 2015 at 12:31 pm 180.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Misogynistic homophobe,

    You forgot to end your post with a gay slur….lol! Learn to see all as equal to you Dip. You think too highly of yourself.

    And don’t feel bad that you cannot understand…….you continually use the concept of a man for God. Until your mind can evolve and grasp concepts more complex you will continue to fall short in your understanding.

    You already demonstrated us you could chose a dress and you could chose either color. And you acknowledged you have free will. The next step will come.

    Then again, you are the same Dippity who believes nature (without intelligence) wrote high information DNA coding for 70 trillion cells in the human body. lol! The concept of God should be much simpler to grasp. You have more faith than I can muster!

  181. on 14 Feb 2015 at 3:53 pm 181.Hell Yeah said …

    “nature (without intelligence) wrote high information DNA coding for 70 trillion cells in the human body.”

    You would be surprised what millions of years of natural selection can do. I can see where you are confused if you think the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

  182. on 14 Feb 2015 at 4:05 pm 182.DPK said …

    179.TJ said …
    The question is?… when does God “know” what choice you have made?”

    Well, obviously, if I have free will, then he cannot. To “know” what will happen means that the future already exists… it is fixed just as the past is to us. If we have knowledge of something that happened in the past, we do not have free will to change it, do we? If god exists in “all realms of time” then to him, the past, present and future are all the same thing, meaning they all exist simultaneously… the future exists just as surely as the past, and since it exists, then any perception that we have of free will is an illusion. Of course, that doesn’t really make much sense and doesn’t fit at all with the idea that a god created us in his image, but it’s not my claim, now is it?

    Now, you present a different interpretation… one that says god doesn’t really know the future, but only the present, instantaneously. This is an interesting workaround, and certainly is marginally more believable that the generally accepted definition of omniscience. But what does the bible, which you claim is the ultimate authority, actually say? You have not addressed this, instead preferring to skirt the issue with more nebulous claims… but let’s review:

    “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”

    “foreknew and predestined” are the key words here… and of course, this is far from the only biblical verse where god is said to have planned, predetermined, or foreknew something. If not, what good would prophecies be?

    Now, your suggestion that this predestination only applies to certain individuals is interesting, but does not really solve your problem. How can an omniscient and omnipotent being pre-know the fates and actions of certain individuals, and not others?? That doesn’t make sense. Certainly the act of pre-knowing or pre-determining anything at all brigs us back to the implication that future events are knowable, and if they are knowable, they are fixed. If they had not in fact, “already happened” from god’s perspective, they could not be knowable.

    I offer a far simpler and more logical conclusion that doesn’t involve all this torturous double think. Your god does not know the future. Nothing is pre-destined, no ones actions are predetermined, no ones thoughts are instantly read by a cosmic intelligence who knows what you think before you think it (whatever the hell that even means.. LOL)… because there are no gods.

  183. on 14 Feb 2015 at 4:20 pm 183.DPK said …

    “You would be surprised what millions of years of natural selection can do.”

    Actually it’s BILLIONS of years, that’s THOUSANDS of millions of years but “A’s” complete ignorance of science is nothing new. I mean you are talking about someone who claims that a being can know with 100% certainty what I will do tomorrow, but I am free to do something completely different if I want, except of course I really can’t, but I could, but not really… and this is because I am too dumb to understand the idea that god can do anything… including, presumably, make a square circle… just because he says so…. LOL….

  184. on 14 Feb 2015 at 5:22 pm 184.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Lol!!!!!!!

    OH, so natural selection writes high information coding? Not just one program, but MANY different programs. That’s the scientific answer? Proof? Did it write Linux OS too?……:)

    ROTFL!!!!!!

    I offer a more logical conclusion that doesn’t require jumping thru hoops or require imagining absurdities such as momma nature writing programs, lightning creating lfe and the simple becoming complex by…….natural selection.

    Creation requires a Creator
    Programs require Programmer
    Life requires a Life giver

    Just like the REAL work we live in.

  185. on 14 Feb 2015 at 6:25 pm 185.DPK said …

    Did it write Linux OS too?……:)

    Humans wrote Linux, and since humans are a product of nature, of course nature wrote it. Do you think Linux just appeared in a magical garden one day with a talking snake and a magical fruit tree? LOL………..!! You are just too funny, in a sad way.

  186. on 14 Feb 2015 at 6:51 pm 186.NOT IN THE BOOK OF LIFE said …

    Question Time

    Please say what was wrong in common with the following list of men.

    • Thanthai Periyar (1879-1973) Indian philosopher, social activist, politician and businessman affectionately called by his followers as Periyar or E. V. R., who started the Self-Respect Movement or the Dravidian Movement. He is also the founder of political party, Dravidar KazhagamPeriyar E. V. Ramasamy
    • John Anderson (1893–1962): Scottish-born Australian philosopher, founder of the empirical philosophy known as ‘Sydney realism’.[1]
    • Hector Avalos (1958–): Mexican-American professor of Religious Studies at Iowa State University and author of several books about religion.[2]
    • A. J. Ayer (1910–1989): British philosopher and an advocate of logical positivism. Though technically he viewed the concept of God existing as meaningless, he was happy to call himself an atheist.[3][4]
    • Alain Badiou (1937–): French philosopher.[5]
    • Julian Baggini (1968–): British writer specialising in philosophy, author of Atheism: A Very Short Introduction.[6]
    • Mikhail Bakunin (1814–1876): Russian philosopher, writer and anarchist.[7]
    • Bruno Bauer (1809–1882): German philosopher, theologian and historian, the first propounder of the Jesus myth hypothesis.[8]
    • Simone de Beauvoir (1908–1986): French author and existentialist philosopher. Beauvoir wrote novels and monographs on philosophy, politics, social issues and feminism.[9][10]
    • Jeremy Bentham (1748–1832): English author, jurist, philosopher, and legal and social reformer. He is best known for his advocacy of utilitarianism.[11][12][13]
    • Simon Blackburn (1944–): British academic atheist philosopher known for his efforts to popularise philosophy.[14]
    • Célestin Bouglé (1870–1940): French philosopher known for his role as one of Émile Durkheim’s collaborators and a member of the L’Année Sociologique.[15]
    • Yaron Brook (1961–): Israeli-born president and executive director of the Ayn Rand Institute.[16]
    • Ludwig Büchner (1824–1899): German philosopher, physiologist and physician who became one of the exponents of 19th century scientific materialism.[17]
    • Rudolf Carnap (1891–1970): German philosopher who was active in central Europe before 1935 and in the United States thereafter. He was a leading member of the Vienna Circle and a prominent advocate of logical positivism.[18][19][20]
    • Robert Todd Carroll (1945–): American writer and academic, professor of philosophy at Sacramento City College until 1997, and keeper of the Skeptic’s Dictionary website.[21]
    • David Chalmers (1966–): Australian philosopher of mind.[22]
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    THE ANSWER IS THAT THESE MEN WERE ALL ATHEIST WHO CLAIMED TO BE PHILOSOPHERS. THEY SOUGHT WISDOM BUT THEY FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN WISDOM. THAT THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM IS THE FEAR OF GOD.
    WHAT ALSO IS WRONG WITH THEM IS THAT THEY WILL EACH BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR AN ETERNITY FOR THEIR DELUDED REJECTION OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST CHOOSING RATHER TO FOLLOW THE FALSE PROPHET.

  187. on 14 Feb 2015 at 7:22 pm 187.Anonymous said …

    I CAN HEAR THEIR SCREAMS

  188. on 14 Feb 2015 at 10:04 pm 188.Hell Yeah said …

    “THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN WISDOM. THAT THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM IS THE FEAR OF GOD.”

    How can you fear something that doesn’t exist? That is like saying you are only wise if you believe in and fear the boogie man. Wisdom comes from experience in realism.

    “WHAT ALSO IS WRONG WITH THEM IS THAT THEY WILL EACH BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR AN ETERNITY”

    I hope they bring marshmallows.

  189. on 14 Feb 2015 at 10:19 pm 189.DPK said …

    “WHAT ALSO IS WRONG WITH THEM IS THAT THEY WILL EACH BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR AN ETERNITY”

    But of course, as your fellow theists will tell you, “eternity” does not mean forever, just a long time, which, oddly, is a curious concept for a being who exists both outside of, and within, all realms of time simultaneously. A being who, after an infinite time of living a perfect existence in a state of perfection, for some reason decided to create an imperfect world full of evil and sin, and then punish the creatures he created for doing what he knew, for all eternity mind you, exactly what they were created to do in the first place. And if that doesn’t strike you as mind boggling stupidity, this being decided to create a world in which he knew, with 100% accuracy, every single thing you will ever do, or think, but also gave you complete freedom to do anything you want to, even though you can’t. So there you go.

  190. on 14 Feb 2015 at 11:21 pm 190.TJ said …

    DPK said…

    “Hmmm… So your contention is now that some of us have free will and our future actions have not been determined by god, while others do not?
    Curious.”

    Not my contention. It is what you have read into what is written.

    You said…
    “This is an interesting workaround, and certainly is marginally more believable that the generally accepted definition of omniscience.”

    Not a workaround. A literal reading.

    Re-read the wording again.

    “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”

    Words like “called”… “conformed”… “might”

    are used in reference to individuals who are foreknown. The actions of the individuals are not presented as foreknown. Instead the individuals are foreknown to God as predetermined to be instruments he uses to carry out his will.

    You ask…

    “If god exists in “all realms of time” then to him, the past, present and future are all the same thing, meaning they all exist simultaneously… the future exists just as surely as the past, and since it exists, then any perception that we have of free will is an illusion.”

    When A The Prickly Science Guy presented this view you dismissed it as” word salad”.

    Yet now, you attempt to use it as an argument against what you can clearly read for yourself? Where does the bible say the future exists? From a literal reading I can only say that God has plans and intentions for the future.

    You continue to present more questions without addressing our current issue…

    Do you still feel the passage clearly supports your claim that all actions of mankind are pre-determined?

  191. on 15 Feb 2015 at 12:13 am 191.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    Kudos to Dippity!

    He recognized that Linux was written by men who possess intelligence! Yay!!!!! (men created by GOD btw)

    But sadly, he still believes DNA was written by primordial ooze……(snicker..) ROTFL!!!!

    “Dippity definitions”

    Word Salad – Words to big and hard for Dippity…..lol!!!!

  192. on 15 Feb 2015 at 1:43 am 192.Hell Yeah said …

    “Kudos to Dippity!
    He recognized that Linux was written by men who possess intelligence! Yay!!!!! (men created by GOD btw)
    But sadly, he still believes DNA was written by primordial ooze……(snort..) ROTFL!!!!”

    How old are you Prickly Penis Guy? You write like a teenager.

    I think you have it backwards. Men created God(s).

    The universe has all the elements that we humans are made up of. It just took the right conditions to form the first form of life and it took billions of years of evolving in different earth environments and through natural selection (that is too bad if you don’t know too much about what natural selection is and can do over a long period of time, look it up).

    If you really think men were created by a god, there are many things you need to take into consideration. A couple of them are, what created that supposedly intelligent god and how did that god gain intelligence?, why did that god wait billions of years after creating the universe and having other life forms around before creating men?, and how come there is no real evidence of a god? Those are just a few of the holes.

  193. on 15 Feb 2015 at 4:02 am 193.TJ said …

    Hell Yeah said…

    “If you really think men were created by a god, there are many things you need to take into consideration. A couple of them are, what created that supposedly intelligent god and how did that god gain intelligence?, why did that god wait billions of years after creating the universe and having other life forms around before creating men?, and how come there is no real evidence of a god? Those are just a few of the holes.”

    Your questions are made up.

    God does not claim to have been created.

    God does not claim to have obtained intelligence.

    God does not claim to have waited billions of years after creating the universe.

    Your questions do not address any of the biblical claims.

    The “hole”, is the “whole” of your argument.

    All this…

    “The universe has all the elements that we humans are made up of. It just took the right conditions to form the first form of life and it took billions of years of evolving in different earth environments and through natural selection (that is too bad if you don’t know too much about what natural selection is and can do over a long period of time, look it up).”

    …is theory. According to your fellow non-believers, science does not promote these things as fact (with the exception of the elements that humans are made of).

  194. on 15 Feb 2015 at 4:30 am 194.Hell Yeah said …

    “Your questions are made up.”

    I am asking the questions, so yeah, of course I made them up. duh!

    “God does not claim to have been created.”

    I never said he claimed so. I don’t get all my knowledge from the bible like you do. I actually use observation to ask questions. For instance, in this case, the claim is that god created man. The claim is made because something with intelligence must have created man. I observed, like wise people do, that if something of intelligence had to create something else with intelligence, then something else with intelligence must have created that thing, and so on. Somewhere along the way, something without intelligence had to have the properties to make something that could eventually evolve into intelligence. So, therefore, it is possible that the universe has always existed in some form of matter and energy.

    “God does not claim to have obtained intelligence.”

    Again, never said god claimed that. But theists believe that something with intelligence had to create humans with intelligence.

    “God does not claim to have waited billions of years after creating the universe.”

    I never said that either. In this case, I am pointing out that billions of years in the universe’s existence is a fact, so if there really is a god, he would have had to wait the billions of years before creating humans.

  195. on 15 Feb 2015 at 7:27 am 195.TJ said …

    “I am pointing out that billions of years in the universe’s existence is a fact”

    Really?

  196. on 15 Feb 2015 at 7:58 am 196.Hell Yeah said …

    Yes. The only ones who don’t agree are the ones who believe in a book written by Palestine goat herders about 2,000 years ago. Scientific peers agree that the universe is in the billions of years old. The only disagreement could be the number of billions. The theist argument of being 10,000 or less is a lot different than being somewhere in the billions.

  197. on 15 Feb 2015 at 9:12 am 197.TJ said …

    “Scientific peers agree that the universe is in the billions of years old.”

    = FACT?

    I can agree with…

    “So, therefore, it is possible that the universe has always existed in some form of matter and energy.”

    If this is true…

    Colossians 1:16-17
    “16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

    Then it stands to reason that if the source has always existed, which produced all the matter and energy of the universe. Then all the matter and energy of the universe has also existed in one form or another.

    The difference is, you say intelligence arose from eternal matter and energy. The Bible says that intelligence gave matter and energy it current form.

    Freddies dead says, we cannot deny existence. Because existence exists.

    Intelligence also exists, and I do not deny it.

  198. on 15 Feb 2015 at 11:13 am 198.Anonymous said …

    This blog is worthless.

    How often have you said that God is imaginary?
    That God does not exist?

    Is this true?

    Where is your proof that God is imaginary or non-existent?

    Unless you can prove that your claims are useless, presumptuous and non-intellectual.

    Don’t tell me what else is imaginary or non-existent tell me how do you know that God is imaginary or non-existent?

    If you can’t tell me that your claims are valueless, your blog is valueless and you have a deceptive, treacherous and evil agenda, may God never let you achieve it.

  199. on 15 Feb 2015 at 1:56 pm 199.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “The universe has all the elements that we humans are made up of. It just took the right conditions to form the first form of life and it took billions of years of evolving in different earth environments and through natural selection”

    lol!!!!

    Notice what Mr Yeah want us us to believe. He would like use to ignore everything we observe in the real world and for us instead to believe that high information coding was done by pure chance. Namely DNA. His proof? None…… we are just to believe because his worldview demands he believe.

    In forensic science, men study patterns, gather evidence and make determinations, if, for example, if a fire was accidental or purposeful. Men using reason can make the determination and can recognize design vs random chance.

    Mr Yeah would like us to ignore the obvious evidence of design in Creation i.e DNA

    I just don’t have that much faith…:)

    BTW,

    Who are the Palestinian Goat herders? Is it a new band? ….:)

  200. on 15 Feb 2015 at 1:58 pm 200.A The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “then something else with intelligence must have created that thing”

    The Kal?m Cosmological Argument states that only things with a beginning, like the universe, need a creator. God had no beginning therefore needs no creator.

    Tada!

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