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Christianity Thomas on 05 Jan 2013 12:05 am

The insanity of religion – “God is faithful”

Here is an article that claims God will never let you down:

God won’t let you down

So remember that regardless to what difficult and seemingly impossible situations are pressing in on you, just know that God won’t let you down because He is faithful.

Imagine the level of insanity it takes to make a statement like this. Every year, 10 million kids die of things like starvation. More than half a million Americans died of heart disease last year, and another half million of cancer. 100,000 people died in accidents. And then there are the mass murders at places like Sandy Hook school. Was God “faithful” in any of these deaths? Clearly not!

Whatever the cause of your crisis be it unemployment, marital problems, sickness, etc. although things around you and even your emotions change, God doesn’t because He is faithful….

So why are you worried? You cast doubt on God’s very nature when doubting the outcome after placing the situation in His hands.

God is true to Himself and His righteous nature. His word will produce the results of His promises due to His faithfulness to His word and you can expect the results of His promises when applying the word to your life. His promises are sure and trustworthy.

So think about this. You are sick, you pray, you go to the doctor. First, why do you need to see a doctor if God is faithful? Second, last year about 200,000 people who did see a doctor died in the U.S. because of medical errors. What wonderful, faithful God would allow that?

The only way to say “god is faithful” is to completely ignore reality. Where does this level of insanity come from?

1,076 Responses to “The insanity of religion – “God is faithful””

  1. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:38 pm 1.the messenger said …

    828.Dippy, would you just let your self and your kids starve to death? Where is the logic in that?

    If you could not provide for your kids, would it be morally ok to buy a slave and force him/her to do it for you?

  2. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:43 pm 2.the messenger said …

    828.Dippy, are you saying that it is morally right to let your kids and your self starve to death?

    If you had a slave, you could force him/her to earn money for you, thus saving your kids from starving to death.

    Would it be morally right to let your kids starve to death? No it wouldn’t.

  3. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:43 pm 3.Dippy said …

    Hor… what do you have to say about this?
    Is Messy correct? Is this what the absolute god given morality of the bible says?

    “826.Dippy, the bible recognizes that sometime slavery is needed during a situation that involves providing for one’s family, or one’s life.
    So, yes, sometimes slavery is immoral, and it is moral.”

  4. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:47 pm 4.Dippy said …

    “828.Dippy, are you saying that it is morally right to let your kids and your self starve to death?

    If you had a slave, you could force him/her to earn money for you, thus saving your kids from starving to death.

    Would it be morally right to let your kids starve to death? No it wouldn’t.”

    Ok, then in that case would it be alright to steal from somebody, maybe rob a bank, to get money to feed them?

    Then, would it be ok to lie about it, so that I didn’t go to jail and be unable to feed my kids leading to their starvation?

    How about, would it be ok to buy a female slave and force her to have sex with men for money that I would keep to feed my wife and kids? What would be wrong with that?

    You are a fucking lunatic!

  5. on 04 Dec 2013 at 12:42 am 5.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Hor… what do you have to say about this?”

    Why won’t you tell us why nothing is immoral in your world?
    :)

  6. on 04 Dec 2013 at 1:44 am 6.Dippy said …

    Why won’t you tell us why nothing is immoral in your world?
    :)

    Why won’t you tell us why you need to compulsively lie about what I said.
    Show me where I have ever said ” nothing is immoral.”, or maybe you could force your slave to do it!

    Lol… Hor, with the superior absolute morality won’t even commit to saying that one human being owning another is moral or immoral.
    Seems your absolute moral code is about as useful as gun with no bullets.

  7. on 04 Dec 2013 at 1:51 am 7.the messenger said …

    804.Dippy, you should be called the question dodger.

    You dodged my question.

    I will ask the question again below.

    828.Dippy, are you saying that it is morally right to let your kids and your self starve to death?
    If you had a slave, you could force him/her to earn money for you, thus saving your kids from starving to death.
    Would it be morally right to let your kids starve to death?
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    Answer the question. Or are you a coward?

  8. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:02 am 8.the messenger said …

    833.Dippy, it would not be morally right to steal. If you take something from someone without their permission, you must pay them back so it won’t be considered theft.

    You would not have to lie about it. No jury would prosecute a man for trying to feed his kids.

    You cannot force anyone, even a slave, to do an action that breaks a law of the bible. Prostitution is prohibited the law of the bible.

  9. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:40 am 9.Anonymous said …

    Bahahahahah…

    Messenger, “owning” someone as a slave is not morally justified at all.

    Unless said person insists on being a slave, and you treat them as a “person” and not a piece of furniture, then it could be justified.

    Equally, if you steal, then pay it back, IT IS STILL THEFT.

    Messenger, read some bloody law books or something.

    The immoral nature of forcing a slave to work outweighs the immoral nature of letting your children starve. In a modern world, you can get government help, friends to help, or if needed orphan the children.

  10. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:43 am 10.Angus and Alexis said …

    My bad, the above post is mine.

  11. on 04 Dec 2013 at 3:42 am 11.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Messenger, “owning” someone as a slave is not morally justified at all.”

    Why?

    According to who?

    In parts of Africa and Latin America its Ok.

    Who gets to make the call?

  12. on 04 Dec 2013 at 4:06 am 12.Dippy said …

    In parts of Africa and Latin America its Ok.

    Is that so? Where?

  13. on 04 Dec 2013 at 6:11 am 13.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Africa and Latin America”

    Congratulations, but i live in Australia, here we do not like slaves.

    Please note that location judges what is right and wrong.

  14. on 04 Dec 2013 at 11:36 am 14.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Congratulations, but i live in Australia, here we do not like slaves.”

    Thank you! So you are saying the world needs to follow the morally of Australia? You guys are moral and whoever departs is wrong? Would that be it Agnus? We all need to enslave a tulip? Lol!!

    Slaves? Which version of slavery would you be speaking? Someone who willfully sells themself as a slave? Nations who force children to work in sweatshops or where one tribe enslaves members of another tribal group?

    So why are any of these versions wrong fellsrs?

  15. on 04 Dec 2013 at 11:59 am 15.Angus and Alexis said …

    They all have the same damned framework.
    Slavery is slavery.

    Secondly, what has tulpae got to do with this discussion? Do not derail please.

    And yes, some countries could do with our morals, and we could do with some of others morals.

    We tend to take care of our ecosystem, unlike china, USA etc, which have many extinct species.

    However, it should be enforced more…

  16. on 04 Dec 2013 at 12:55 pm 16.the messenger said …

    I am not defending the morallity of using slavey in modern times.

    I am simply stating the fact that durring biblical times it was nessecary inorder to provide for one’s family.

  17. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:03 pm 17.Dippy said …

    “I am not defending the morallity of using slavey in modern times.
    I am simply stating the fact that durring biblical times it was nessecary inorder to provide for one’s family.”

    Messy;
    But Hor says that morality is absolute and does not change with circumstances. Is he wrong about that?

    Hor:
    Messy lives by the same biblical moral code you do, yet he says owning another human is ok as long as it is necessary to provide for your family. Is that what your absolute morality actually says?

  18. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:52 pm 18.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “he says owning another human is ok as long as it is necessary to provide for your family”

    OK why do you think it is wrong?

    But I was talking to you but you have issues with focus. Lets try again.

    Slaves? Which version of slavery would you be speaking? Someone who willfully sells themself as a slave? Nations who force children to work in sweatshops or where one tribe enslaves members of another tribal group?

    So why are any of these versions wrong?

    Tulip.

    “And yes, some countries could do with our morals, and we could do with some of others morals.

    Why? Who gets to decide. Why not free your tulip?

    So all slavery is the same regardless of time period? Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Whew! so young and uninformed!

  19. on 04 Dec 2013 at 6:05 pm 19.Dippy said …

    “he says owning another human is ok as long as it is necessary to provide for your family”

    OK why do you think it is wrong?

    I didn’t say it was right or wrong. I’m not the one with an absolute code of morality. I want to know what YOUR absolute moral code says so I can make a judgement as to whether is sounds like something a perfect, all knowing being would invent.

    Why won’t you ever ever, ever tell us what your absolute moral code actually SAYS? It seems it should be pretty clear cut. This is what I can’t understand why you and Messy seem to imply it’s a changing thing, sometimes, this, sometimes that. Just trying to understand… remember you are the one claiming it exists, it was given by a god, and it is not relative.
    Now you seem to be indicating it is indeed relative. No wonder you are confused.

  20. on 04 Dec 2013 at 7:07 pm 20.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “so I can make a judgement as to whether is sounds like something a perfect, all knowing being would invent.”

    You can”t tell me why something is immoral but you CAN tell me what an omnipotent deity would do?

    OMG!
    ROTFL
    Lol!!!!!

    That is rich! The arrogance of Dippy. Nothing is immoral for you Dip so how can you make any judgments about another MUCH less a deity?

    one of your funnier moments!

  21. on 04 Dec 2013 at 7:09 pm 21.Dippy said …

    818.Ths Sckence Guy said …
    “Slaves? Which version of slavery would you be speaking?”

    Ok, so now are you implying that the morality of one human owning another as property is dependant on what KIND of slavery?

    I’m talking specifically about the KIND of slavery Messy said was ok with Jesus. One human who cannot work for some reason or other, enslaving another human and forcing him to work in order to generate income to support the first human and his dependents.

    Messy says that’s perfectly ok. Is it?

    How about Messy’s morality that says Jesus wants women to be forced to marry their rapists? He said this is a very good law. Is it?

  22. on 04 Dec 2013 at 9:16 pm 22.the messenger said …

    838.Anonymous, the bible laws do not commend treating anyone(enemies, slaves, or anyone) like a piece of furniture.

    The bible says that we must love our neighbors(that includes slaves) as our selves. Therefore, slave owners must treat their slaves as human beings, must love them, respect them, and show kindness to them.

    Lastly, the bible says that a slaves can only be a slave for 6 years service, but if a master show love for his slaves(as mentioned in the 2nd paragraph) he might free them earlier than 6 years.

  23. on 04 Dec 2013 at 10:40 pm 23.Dippy said …

    Dippys asks:
    “Why won’t you ever ever, ever tell us what your absolute moral code actually SAYS? It seems it should be pretty clear cut.

    ASSman replies:
    “You can”t tell me why something is immoral but you CAN tell me what an omnipotent deity would do?”

    So, I have to assume you either don’t know what your absolute morality says, or for some reason your are afraid to tell us. The concept of me judging what an omnipotent deity “would do” is irrelevant. You won’t even commit to an moral question as basic as slavery or forced marriage to a rapist. How can we be convinced about your absolute moral code when you either don’t know what it says or are too embarrassed by it to tell us.

    LOL… at least Messy, as fucking crazy as he is, has enough ball to come out and say that slavery is ok, with certain conditions. Since that determination comes from the same source as you use, I take it you agree.
    No judgement, just want to know where you stand based on the absolute moral cvode you claim exists. Why won’t you tell us?

  24. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:00 am 24.Angus and Alexis said …

    So, messenger claims not all morals comes from god.

    Hor claims all morals come from god.

    And both claim slavery is correct, but messenger believes it is circumstantial…

    Where the heck did this love of slavery come from?

  25. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:08 am 25.Dippy said …

    “Where the heck did this love of slavery come from?”

    Religion at it’s core is basically about controlling people and forcing them to do what you want, so why does the endorsement of slavery from the same group seem odd?

    I’d love to see Messy preach his endorsement of slavery as a moral option to a Baptist group in Mississippi… that would play well, don’t you think? LOL

    I’d also love to see the reaction from the congregation at his own church when he publicly proclaims his “marry your rapist” idea….. That would be good.

  26. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:29 am 26.the messenger said …

    853.Angus and Alexis, I hold no “love” for slavery. I am simply acknowledging the fact that in some situations it is nessessary for providing for one’s family and self. The bible recognizes that.

    Slavery is moral in some circumstances, but only moral in the most nessessary of situations(such as saving one’s family from starving to death.).

    Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?

  27. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:31 am 27.the messenger said …

    854.Dippy, I hold no “love” for slavery. I am simply acknowledging the fact that in some situations it is nessessary for providing for one’s family and self. The bible recognizes that.
    Slavery is moral in some circumstances, but only moral in the most nessessary of situations(such as saving one’s family from starving to death.).
    Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?

  28. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:43 am 28.the messenger said …

    854.Dippy, Judaism and Catholicism are about choosing to love GOD, love all people, and follow GOD’s laws.

    Choosing, not controlling.

  29. on 05 Dec 2013 at 3:24 am 29.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Where the heck did this love of slavery come from?”

    I don’t know why atheists are so obsessed with slavery. They don’t even understand the various forms of slavery. They probably think all fruit is the sane too! Lol!!!

    Geez! They can’t even tell us why slavery is wrong! But they what to judge God. Judge God based on what Dip Stick?

  30. on 05 Dec 2013 at 3:42 am 30.alex said …

    “I don’t know why atheists are so obsessed with slavery.”

    i know it, right? why are they so obsessed with rapists marrying their victims? why are atheists so obsessed with what the stars are made of? why are the atheists so obsessed about muslims flying planes into buildings? why obsess about the gays marrying? and on, and on, and on. go fuck yourself, hor/martin.

    it’s the same old tired ass xtian bullshit. why don’t the atheists just shut up and let the xtian motherfuckers do whatever the hell they want?

    notice hor’s mojo. he doesn’t offer a single argument for his god. instead he points out countless irrelevant shit, which in his smug/fuckedUp mind is justification enough for his god’s fantasy existence. along the same lines, he flips it around and shifts the burden. “what’s moral to atheists?”, like it makes any difference. morals to most people is not handed out by some fucked up god, period.

    look, alex curses. therefore god exists. transitional fossils are not definitive, therefore god exists. no one knows what happened in the beginning, therefore goddit. bleh!

  31. on 05 Dec 2013 at 3:53 am 31.Dippy said …

    “Geez! They can’t even tell us why slavery is wrong! ”

    Is slavery wrong? Messy says no, it’s cool. Now you say certain “types” of slavery are ok. Hmmm. So the 13th amendment has it wrong?
    I’m not judging, I just want to know… But we are making progress. So far, ritual animal sacrafice is ok, just as long as your sacrifice is going to Yahweh. Forced marriage is ok, as long as the woman who is being forced to marry has been raped by by her future husband. Slavery is ok, but only certain “kinds” of slavery. But lying is never allowed, and murder is allowed only if the person you murder is “bad”.
    Are we getting the specifics of your absolute moral code? Keep them coming.
    Is working on the sabbath immoral, or does it depend?

    But they what to judge God. Judge God based on what Dip Stick?
    I’m not juding your imaginary god, shithead… I’m judging you, and so far you’re proving to be quite an imbecile. Your absolute code of morality sure has a lot of conditions.
    Lol.

  32. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:35 am 32.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Now you say certain “types” of slavery are ok.”

    I did? Wow, I am amazing!

    Why is slavery wrong Dip? Which type of slavery are you speaking of? Take your time…..get your thoughts together so you don’t sound so spastic……lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:47 am 33.alex said …

    “Why is slavery wrong Dip”

    there you have it, folks. atheists say slavery is wrong. the dumbfuck, hor, turns it around and attempts to shift the burden.

    atheists say that the talking ass in the bible is bullshit. why not ask “why can’t the ass talk?”.

    your material is getting old, hor…. you got called out again and your respond with “I am amazing..”?

    pathetic, piece of shit, you are.

  34. on 05 Dec 2013 at 7:00 am 34.Angus and Alexis said …

    Wait a tick…

    Why the heck are we talking about slavery?

    Theists think it is good, so there is no point in trying to persuade them to stop it…

    Lets go to absolute morals, shall we?

    Is there an absolute moral that is given by god?

  35. on 05 Dec 2013 at 11:56 am 35.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Theists think it is good, so there is no point in trying to persuade them to stop it…”

    Why is it wrong Agnus? I am a man of science but equally a man of freedom. I now fear atheists will begin to enslave others…….even open up their gulags.

    can I ask you to stop killing baby girls in China! Don’t your friends believe that is wrong?

    Geez!!

  36. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:26 pm 36.Angus and Alexis said …

    You must be effing kidding me…

    You are a man of freedom ehh?

    THEN YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY SLAVERY IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.

    If an atheist, any atheist, no matter how famous or influential went up to me and said, “you are my slave, work for me” i would immediately say “up yours” and probably sue the guy for threats.

  37. on 05 Dec 2013 at 1:08 pm 37.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    ” YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY SLAVERY IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.”

    Not me, why do you think it”s wrong. Yes we all know you would say no to being a slave. Thanks for the news flash! lol!!!

    Its so funny you guys can never tell us why anything is wrong! So much for culture! Lol!!!!!!!

  38. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:30 pm 38.Dippy said …

    “837.Ths Sckence Guy said …
    ” YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY SLAVERY IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.”
    Not me, why do you think it”s wrong?”

    hahahaha… So, it seems at last you have had a revelation. Your absolute moral code seems to be rather worthless. That certainly explains why you can never show it to us, or even tell us what it actually says.

  39. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:34 pm 39.Dippy said …

    But let’s review what the mysterious code says so far.

    Making no judgements about the morality or immorality of any of it, we just want to be clear about what it actually directs:

    Slaughtering animals as ritual sacrifice is morally wrong, unless the sacrifice is to the Jewish/Christian god, in which case it is acceptable.

    Causing the death of one individual to save multiple individuals can sometimes be ok. It simply requires you make a determination of who is more worthy to live, and then kill the others if needed to save the lives of the highest number of “good” people.
    Important footnote: Even though it is morally acceptable to kill one or more people in order to save a greater number of people (subject to their relative “goodness”) it is NEVER ok to LIE to save them. Lying is never allowed, ever.

    The majority of bibles currently in print are incorrect when they list the commandant “Thou Shalt Not Kill.” This should be written “Thou Shalt Not Murder”. Why almighty god allowed this typo to be so widespread is unclear. But for clarity, murder is never allowed, (except in certain circumstances) but killing is ok.

    Even though murder is never allowed, if it is a political or religious assassination of a person who is “bad”. Then it is not only ok, but admirable.

    continued… (spam filter is on a rampage today)

  40. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:39 pm 40.Dippy said …

    what we have determined about Hor’s absolute moral code so far, continued:

    Slavery, the act of one human being owning another as property, is ok in some situations, but not in others. For example, if you are unable to provide for you family, it is ok to buy another human and force him to work to support your family.

    Also apparently slavery has different “types”. If a person voluntarily sells himself into slavery, that’s ok. Curiously, selling yourself into prostitution is not ok. It used to be ok in certain circumstances for fathers to sell their daughters into prostitution, but that was long ago. It is not clear if this is still morally ok or not. (clarification needed)

    The morality of slavery also seems to depend on the time in which it occurred. So, it was morally acceptable in biblical times to own slaves, but not now.
    This is absolute. For some reason though, Hor claims he does not know why slavery is wrong.

  41. on 05 Dec 2013 at 5:18 pm 41.Dippy said …

    When a man rapes a woman, as punishment, he should be forced to marry her. This is moral, because then he has to serve her for the rest of his life. The fact that a woman has to spend the rest of her life in marriage to a man who raped her is inconsequential, because after all, she’s a woman and should be grateful she now has a man to provide for her.

    Stealing is never allowed, however, if you steal something, and then give it back at a later date, that is not stealing.

  42. on 05 Dec 2013 at 5:58 pm 42.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “… So, it seems at last you have had a revelation.”

    lol!!!!! I have. You can’t tell me why any act you consider immoral is indeed immoral. You desperately try to hide the fact with multiple post nobody will read.

    There is the revelation! Lol!!!; how pathetic!

  43. on 05 Dec 2013 at 6:03 pm 43.Dippy said …

    ” You can’t tell me why any act you consider immoral is indeed immoral. You desperately try to hide the fact with multiple post nobody will read.”

    What acts do I consider immoral?
    You can’t even tell me if slavery is immoral and YOU are the one claiming to have an absolute code of morality given to you by an omnipotent deity!

    LOL indeed!!

    Seems your absolute code of morality is either non-existent or completely worthless… hahaha.

    Class dismissed.

  44. on 05 Dec 2013 at 6:43 pm 44.Dippy said …

    Notice the tactics of the completely self deluded Hor:

    1st he claims to have an absolute moral code handed to humanity from god himself that tells you in no uncertain terms what is moral and what is not. It is not relative and it is not conditional.

    When asked about specifics, he either refuses to respond, or responds with answers that sound an awful lot like the moral relativism he claims to despise.
    Slavery? Well, what TYPE of slavery? It depends on the time period, is it voluntary slavery? In other words, his absolute, non dependent answer is: “It depends.”

    When pressed for specifics on other topics, he tries to reverse the burden of proof. “You can’t even tell me WHY this is immoral…” Well, I’m not the one with the absolute moral code… that would be HIM. And note, I’m not even asking him WHY this or that is immoral. I’m just asking if it is or isn’t. Yet he WILL NOT answer.
    LOL indeed.
    So much for the superiority of his absolute code of morality.

  45. on 05 Dec 2013 at 6:53 pm 45.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “What acts do I consider immoral?”

    Yes, I stand corrected. In atheist mythology nothing is immoral……..but just for this particular topic. A rehash of the Dawkins fairytale. Rape, murder, genocide they are all OK if you have a reason. No wonder atheist regimes are responsible for murdering more people than any other group in history.

    Thanks for the reminder Dip!

    lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a mess

  46. on 05 Dec 2013 at 7:19 pm 46.Dippy said …

    And then comes the final act of desperation and irony, he must resort to the ONE thing he has been adamant about it his moral code… the absolute prohibition on lying… and despite that he says:

    “In atheist mythology nothing is immoral……..”

    Your humiliation is now complete. An embarrassment to Sckenctists and theists everywhere.

    Well done, well done!

  47. on 05 Dec 2013 at 9:59 pm 47.the messenger said …

    841.Dippy, I stealing is not allowed. But if you take(not steal) something without permission, and return it at a later date it is not considered as stealing.

  48. on 05 Dec 2013 at 10:10 pm 48.the messenger said …

    868.Dippy, I explained that the word “kill” is not a typo. Biblical scholars observed the text evidence within the bible and concluded that there are certain situations in which killing is allowed(killing animals is allowed, and killing humans in war and in self defense or defense of a human life is allowed). So according to the text evidence within the bible, the word “kill”(as used in exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5:17) means “murder”.

  49. on 05 Dec 2013 at 10:13 pm 49.the messenger said …

    853.Angus and Alexis, I hold no “love” for slavery.

    I am simply acknowledging the fact that in some situations it is nessessary for providing for one’s family and self. The bible recognizes that.
    Slavery is moral in some circumstances, but only moral in the most nessessary of situations(such as saving one’s family from starving to death.).




















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    Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?

  50. on 06 Dec 2013 at 12:56 am 50.the messenger said …

    No offence, but I have asked this question twice already, and now I am asking it again and respectfully requesting that you answer it.

    Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?

  51. on 06 Dec 2013 at 2:31 am 51.Dippy said …

    If you are talking to me, I never said you loved slavery. Happy?
    Actually, you and I agree that the bible absolutely supports the idea that slavery is ok in some situations. No argument there from me. Glad to see you admit it.
    Now, my personal idea of what is moral, as well as the entire rest of the civilized world, is that the idea of slavery is morally abhorrent, and it is NEVER acceptable for one human being to own another as property. So I am very glad that most peoples sense of morality does not come from the bible. That is a good thing.
    I also agree with you that the morality described in the bible depends a great deal on the circumstances. There are some circumstances where a particular behavior is right, and some where it would be wrong. Hence, the morality in the bible is not absolute, but relative to the circumstance, and comes as much from within as from without. Unlike Hor would like us to believe, this does NOT MEAN, “do whatever you feel like” nor does it mean “nothing is immoral”.

    Moving on, despite your affection for redefining words, taking something that does not belong to you, without permission, is stealing. It matters not if you give the item back, you stole it from the person who rightfully owned it. Please stop insulting everyone with your idiotic attempts to change the meaning of the word.

    An all powerful god would certainly have known that at this point in human history, propel would have a different understanding of the word “kill” vs the word “murder”. If the bible is indeed gods sacred instructions for mankind, god would never have allowed the words to be changed to the point that the meaning of his basic commandments were unclear. In short, a omnipotent god would not require us to depend on “biblical experts” to explain to the rest of us what god meant to say. How silly and pompous of you to think that almighty god would allow his words to be altered.
    Now please go away. You are tiresome and obnoxious.

  52. on 06 Dec 2013 at 5:04 am 52.alex said …

    got bored during thanksgiving, so i coded this wwgha comment aggregator. it lists all the comments by a poster under each article. it’s raw and runs on my home computer. try it at http://goo.gl/bto5qi

    i’ll leave my computer on. it’ll prolly go on auto sleep after 2 hours.

  53. on 06 Dec 2013 at 7:06 am 53.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?”

    I admit that you never directly stated that you loved slavery.

    But as you agree with the concept, i simply cannot agree with your idea of “morals”.

  54. on 06 Dec 2013 at 12:44 pm 54.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?””

    Mess just one of their many many lies lies. For them, lying is OK because they had a good reason. What their view of good is, nobody really knows……….sad.

  55. on 06 Dec 2013 at 1:22 pm 55.alex said …

    “What their view of good is, nobody really knows……….sad.”

    you masquerading as Ths Sckence Guy, 40 Year Atheist, the Hor, Martin, Curmudgeon, Biff and continously lying your ass off is more than sad. of course, you deny it and attempt to brush it off by saying you’re this and that.

    go ahead as search these morons and look at the postings. decide if it’s the same crap: http://goo.gl/bto5qi

  56. on 06 Dec 2013 at 3:33 pm 56.Angus and Alexis said …

    “What their view of good is, nobody really knows……….sad.”

    Our view of what “good” is, is dependent on the area, traditions, religion, person, laws, and teachings.

    There you go.

  57. on 06 Dec 2013 at 4:54 pm 57.Dippy said …

    854.Ths Sckence Guy said …
    “Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?”
    “Mess just one of their many many lies lies.”

    Well, you do love your bible, and since your bible spends a great deal of time talking about the proper way to aquire, treat, and punish your slaves, it’s not a far reach to assume you love slavery. I mean it is a condition endorsed by your all loving god. Are you saying you actually HATE slavery, even though your god endorses it? You too are a hot messy of contradictions.

    “For them, lying is OK because they had a good reason. What their view of good is, nobody really knows……….sad.”

    This comes from the one who will not even tell us if his moral code agrees with Messy’s that women should be forced to marry their rapist. Nobody knows what my view of good is??? HAHAHAHA… well, I can tell you what it ISN’T… it isn’t enslaving another human being to support my family, it isn’t forcing a rape victim to spend her life married to the person who raped her, it isn’t performing ritual animal sacrifices to some god, and it isn’t deceiving myself into thinking that taking something that isn’t mine isn’t stealing.
    LOL.. it sure isn’t that.

    Poor ASS, you are so done and empty. I am now bored with you. You have nothing.

  58. on 06 Dec 2013 at 6:02 pm 58.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Nobody knows what my view of good is???”

    I know, you probably don’t or you are quite embarrassed by if which is why you will not share. Lol!!!

  59. on 06 Dec 2013 at 6:58 pm 59.Dippy said …

    This from the one who said:

    ” YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY SLAVERY IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.”

    Not me, why do you think it”s wrong?”

    LOL………

    You have nothing of substance to add except a sad, sad attempt to be coy. Yawn.

  60. on 07 Dec 2013 at 12:36 am 60.the messenger said …

    880.Dippy, the biblical law is absolute. Certain laws apply to certain situations. The law never changes.

    You must always love everyone, no matter what situation it is.

    You must always love GOD, no matter the situation.

    You must never murder, no matter what the situation is(killing in self defense and killing to save lives are not considered as murder).

    Lying is never allowed. There is always a way to save lives without lying.

    Theft is never allowed. Theft is defined as taking somtheing without permission without the intention of returning it. Therefore to avoid theft, you must return whatever you took.

  61. on 07 Dec 2013 at 12:48 am 61.the messenger said …

    880.Dippy, I did not redefine the word “Steal”.

    Here is the definition of the word “steal”.

    (verb
    gerund or present participle: stealing
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    take (another person’s property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.)

    Lastly, the definition above clearly states that a non-intent of returning the property is required for an action to be defined as theft. Therefore, if you intend on returning the property, it is not considered as “steal/stealing”.
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  62. on 07 Dec 2013 at 3:08 am 62.the messenger said …

    851.Dippy, the morals in the bible do not depend on the circumstances. The morals never change.

    When the situation changes, the morals stay the same, our actions involving the situation is what changes.

  63. on 07 Dec 2013 at 3:37 am 63.Dippy said …

    Hahaha… Where did you get that? The idiot’ catholic dictionary?

    Webster:
    1steal verb \?st?l\
    : to take (something that does not belong to you) in a way that is wrong or illegal

    : to take (something that you are not supposed to have) without asking for permission

    : to wrongly take and use (another person’s idea, words, etc.)

    eter·ni·ty noun \i-?t?r-n?-t?\
    : time without an end

    : a state that comes after death and never ends.

    Doesn’t it tell you something about your absolute moral code when you have to resort to mind numbing mental gymnastics to try and justify it?

    Tell you what, go to a bank, take a bunch of money from the teller. When the cops arrest you, tell them they can’t charge you with theft because you intended to give it back. Let us know how that goes. Lol. Idiot.

  64. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:29 am 64.Angus and Alexis said …

    Nice one DPK.
    (Might i ask, what DPK stands for?)

  65. on 07 Dec 2013 at 4:38 pm 65.Dippy said …

    They are just my initials… nothing more.

  66. on 07 Dec 2013 at 5:28 pm 66.the messenger said …

    892.Dippy, I did not get that definition from a catholic dictionary. I got it from the Oxford dictionary. Since I got the definition from a reliable and great source, it means that my claim is correct due to the fact that my definition of steal is also correct(according to the oxford dictionary).

  67. on 07 Dec 2013 at 5:31 pm 67.the messenger said …

    892.Dippy, remamber, we are discussing biblical law, not U.S. law. If I took something without permission and returned it, according to biblical law, it would not be considered as theft.

  68. on 07 Dec 2013 at 5:59 pm 68.Dippy said …

    Is this the same biblical law that says it’s ok to own another human and force him to work for you to support your family, that a woman should have to marry the man who raped her, people who do any work on the Sabbath should be stoned, and girls who are not virgins on their wedding nights should be killed?
    That biblical law?

    hahahahahaha.

    Yeah, go to the bank and try what I said, then come back and tell us about your experience with stealing…

  69. on 07 Dec 2013 at 6:15 pm 69.alex said …

    predicted response from the resident idiot: why is slavery wrong? prove it. why is the rapist marrying the victim, wrong? prove it. why can’t an ass talk? prove it.

    in other words, all the shit in the bible is good and if the atheists can’t prove it, it’s all legit.

    of course, the chosen one, the incomparable, Messenger, gets to pick and choose whatever he wants and labels it wrong context, euphemism, or some other bs. plus, messenger is also the Supremo Interpreter that not even the mighty Hor would dare challenge.

    in his own fucked up mind, the biblical law is righteous, unstoppable and will eventually become the law of the land. dream on, motherfucker.

  70. on 07 Dec 2013 at 6:48 pm 70.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Might i ask, what DPK stands for”

    Dippy of course….lol!!!!!

    Why can’t even one atheists tell us why murder, rape, stealing and lying are wrong. Imagine if the horror of them reproducing happens.

    Son: Dippy was is stealing wrong?

    Dippy: Its not, just don’t get caught little Dip. Now finish the “God Delusion”!

    lol!

    Well we did have one atheist who admitted to using the Bible as his code. Kudos to him.

  71. on 07 Dec 2013 at 7:43 pm 71.alex said …

    “Why can’t even one atheists tell us why murder, rape, stealing and lying are wrong”

    dismissed. you’re a moron. the muslims know, the ancient greeks and romans knew. the hindus know. the atheists know.

    having said that, it proves that the so called singular biblical morality is total crap. you gonna ask next, why does crap smell?

  72. on 07 Dec 2013 at 7:49 pm 72.the messenger said …

    897.Dippy, if I took something without permission, in order to save my life or someone else’s life, the jury would vote not guilty, and my actions would not be considered as stealing.

    P.S., you still have yet to respond to the fact that my definition of “steal” is true(it can be found in the oxford dictionary).

  73. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:00 pm 73.the messenger said …

    897.Dippy, are you a different dippy, because I remember you saying the following quote. (Actually, you and I agree that the bible absolutely supports the idea that slavery is ok in some situations. No argument there from me.)

    In a recent comment(897), you attempted to use slavery as an argument against the biblical law, even though you stated that you agreed with it.

    You are a living contradiction.

  74. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:05 pm 74.the messenger said …

    892.Dippy, I did not get that definition from a catholic dictionary. I got it from the Oxford dictionary. Since I got the definition from a reliable and great source, it means that my claim is correct due to the fact that my definition of steal is also correct(according to the oxford dictionary).
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  75. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:22 pm 75.Dippy said …

    873.the messenger said …

    897.Dippy, are you a different dippy, because I remember you saying the following quote. (Actually, you and I agree that the bible absolutely supports the idea that slavery is ok in some situations. No argument there from me.)

    In a recent comment(897), you attempted to use slavery as an argument against the biblical law, even though you stated that you agreed with it.

    Is this guy for real??
    Boggles my mind how anyone can be so inconceivably stupid.

    Messy, I said I agreed with you that the bible SAYS slavery is ok. I didn’t say I agreed with you that it WAS ok. Moron.

  76. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:37 pm 76.the messenger said …

    875.Dippy, I admit to reading your comment wrong, due to the fact that I was kind of tired when I read it.

    You are the idiotic one, due to the fact that you failed to see the fact that my definition of slavery is completely valid(you will find ot in the oxford dictionary).

  77. on 07 Dec 2013 at 9:15 pm 77.the messenger said …

    904.Dippy, you say that slavery is immoral, right? Well I partially agree. The bible allows slavery, but only in the most nessessary times. For example, commanding the slave to earn money for you in order to feed your family.

    In modern times, if a family is having money problems, they can get help from the government or charity, therefore slavery is no longer nessessary in preventing an innocent person from dying, and therefore there are no longer situations in which slavery would be moral right(according to biblical law).

    The bible law only allows slavery during life threatening situations, when there is no other option. Due to the fact people can get help from the government and other organization in life threatening situations, slavery is no longer nessessary in life threatening situations and is therefore not moral anymore(according to the moral law od the bible).

    Then tell me, if a man(living during the with two children and no wife accidentally breaks his leg and can’t work, he would not be able to earn money to buy food. Therefore, would

  78. on 07 Dec 2013 at 9:17 pm 78.the messenger said …

    Dippy, ignore the last paragraph in my previous comment.

  79. on 07 Dec 2013 at 9:41 pm 79.alex said …

    “…therefore slavery is no longer nessessary…”

    once again, you’re the chosen xtian grand motherfucker
    representative? you alone have decided that slavery is no longer good, but at the same same you think it’s good that a rapist can get off by paying and marrying the victim.

    why don’t you go public and publish your name and your fucked up views? because you know you’re full of shit and you’re just trolling this board.

    messenger, i’m thinking about relaying all your fucked up comments to Twitter. you think it’s good?

  80. on 07 Dec 2013 at 11:05 pm 80.the messenger said …

    879.alex, listen very closely. Both of us know that you are just some idiotic, little man with a low self esteem. So you come here posting your crap, trying to look important and tuff. You are not. You are nothing more than an annoyance.

    If you want to improve your life, stop being arrogant, and try to become an kinder, more compassionate, generous man.

    P.S. i am not the one to decided that slavery is no longer ok. GOD decided that slavery is no longer ok. You will understand this if you study the moral laws of the bible.

  81. on 07 Dec 2013 at 11:14 pm 81.the messenger said …

    908.alex, go ahead and post it on your twitter account.

    P.S., the biblical moral laws state that cussing is not allowed.

    Tell me, why do you cuss?

    Do you think that it is cool to use those foul words?

    What is the point of cussing to people?

    Why do you waste even a second of your life using those hateful, disgusting words?

    Instead of cussing, speak words of love and kindness. More people will want to speak to you.

  82. on 07 Dec 2013 at 11:35 pm 82.alex said …

    “What is the point of cussing to people?”

    because dumb motherfuckers like you, deserve it. don’t worry about me, you shit. you’ve already decided i’m going hell. when motherfuckers like you, think rapes can be paid off, it makes you dangerous because such thinking is a sign that the other shits in the bible is reasonable to you.

    my cussing really bothers you, don’t it? well fuck you. you’ve decided that slavery is not ok, but you’ve said your shit about rapes and homosexuals. what other parts of the bible do you think are ok, but are not codified in the laws of the united states?

    oh, i forgot about your stupid shit about stealing. it’s not stealing if you returned it. what a dumb, stupid, motherfucker you truly are.

    oh, btw, Twitter posts are limited to 40 characters, therefore your bullshit diatribe is just too much. if you’re so damn, cool why don’t you post it and also post your real name, you dumb motherfucker.

  83. on 07 Dec 2013 at 11:52 pm 83.alex said …

    “P.S., the biblical moral laws state that cussing is not allowed.”

    ps, motherfucker. Matthew 5:39-44 says turn the other cheek and you don’t, because?

    you wonder why hor and the other motherfuckers don’t even acknowledge your ass? because you’re a stupid, dumbass, caveman.

    remember when you said that you personally speak to god and then back tracked and said it was a dream?

    so if the bible doesn’t really mean to stone adulterers, or it doesn’t really mean it’s ok to have slaves, and the bible doesn’t really mean the earth is less that 10,000 years old (add up the generations, you dumb motherfucker), and it doesn’t really mean the mustard seed is the smallest, the bible really doesn’t mean anything consequential does it? specially your fucked up morals, which you have refused to list. remember, i volunteer to take it. dumbass.

  84. on 08 Dec 2013 at 1:39 am 84.the messenger said …

    882.alex, I worry about everyone.

    I do not decide whether you go to hell or not. GOD decides if you go to hell or not. I simply preach his teachings.

    Tell me, when did I say you were going to hell?

    The cussing does not bother me. My concern is that you are hateful. The fact that you use hateful words suggests that you are hateful. I do not hate you, I simply want to help you overcome your hate.

  85. on 08 Dec 2013 at 1:42 am 85.the messenger said …

    Alex, If you raped a person, wouldn’t you want to have a chance to redeem your self and acquire forgiveness for it? GOD offers a way to do that. The rapist must pay the woman he raped, and he must bind himself to her through marrage, so that he will be forced to serve her and make her life good for the rest of his life. GOD loves and forgives all people,and he offers redemption for all wrong doings.You seem to be quite vengeful toward people, and seem like you want to punish them and offer no path to redemption. You seem to like to punish and condemn people for their actions. You seem like a sadist.

  86. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:09 am 86.alex said …

    “You seem to be quite vengeful toward people…”

    you dumb motherfucker. i care about other religious people, women, homosexuals, and scientific knowledge. you on the other hand, needs an ass kicking.

    if i raped a person, i deserve a beating and i don’t need no bullshit forgiveness. your god forgiveness is total crap. you keep repeating the rape payment and the binding bullshit, but it’s just your fantasy. i can’t recall a single country where your fantasy good rape law is implemented, do you? maybe in the fantastic, republic of messenger?

    just keep your rape payoff along with your other bible bullshit to yourself and everybody will get along fine. but you’re too stoopid to see that. if even just the mooslims and the xtian fucks would do that, the world would be a better place.

    now, go fuck yourself. thats you, messenger.

  87. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:28 am 87.alex said …

    “You seem to like to punish and condemn people for their actions.”

    wrong. there was a time in my life when my bullshit tolerance became no more. you’re just too stoopid to realize that my cussing doesn’t equal hate.

    my wife thinks the grand canyon was formed by the biblical flood and i call that, some motherfucking collossal bullshyeeat. i don’t have my wife.

    you, otoh, are so stupid with your rape shit, it would be comical, but it’s not. you’re dangerously delusional. now, go fuck yourself.

  88. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:31 am 88.Angus and Alexis said …

    HAHAHA, what a nutter.

    Messenger, try taking money from the bank (illegally) with the intent of giving it back.

    The judge will say guilty without a doubt, that is how the law works, this is to stop idiots like you from exploiting systems.

  89. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:31 am 89.alex said …

    “i don’t have my wife.”

    hate…

  90. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:33 am 90.the messenger said …

    915.alex, it is not a law for one country, it is a law for all humanity.

  91. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:37 am 91.the messenger said …

    916.alex, you have a wife? I feel sorry for her having to live with such a man as you.

  92. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:39 am 92.alex said …

    “alex, you have a wife? I feel sorry for her having to live with such a man as you.”

    heh, heh. i raped her when she was a virgin. gave her $20 bucks and married her. who’s your daddy, motherfucker?

  93. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:41 am 93.the messenger said …

    915.alex the “binding with marrage ” part is not used, but people sometimes are required by law to “pay” a fine.

  94. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:47 am 94.the messenger said …

    915.alex, unlike you, GOD loves all people(even rapists, and you). GOD wants to give forgiveness and redemption to all people that seek it. If you felt quilt or remorse, wouldn’t you want to have some way to redeem your self, or atone for your actions?

  95. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:54 am 95.alex said …

    “unlike you, GOD loves all people(even rapists, and you).”

    wake up, dumb motherfucker. you admitted before that you only dreamt that you spoke to god. now, you going back to the same old bullshit?

    unlike your bullshit god, i did not kill a shitload of people. unlike your god, the smell of burnt flesh doesn’t please me. unlike your god, i don’t fear the motherfuckers with iron chariots. anything else?

    remember, i’m your daddy, luke.

  96. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:56 am 96.the messenger said …

    915.alex, these laws are about making everyone better and offering forgiveness and love to all people. Not just the people that you favor.

    You may not desire forgiveness(because you apparently feel no remorse for anything bad that you have done in your life), but that does not mean that others do not desire it.

    Think of others, you selfish man.

  97. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:00 am 97.the messenger said …

    924.alex, I do not claim that GOD speaks directly to me. I am simply stating what his laws state, and it states that he loves everyone.

  98. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:05 am 98.alex said …

    “Think of others, you selfish man.”

    think of the women, you dumbshit. would you want your virgin sisters or daughters raped, paid off, and forced to marry the rapist. i know it’s your fantasy, but think of the the women….

    and quit trying to hang on to that forgiveness shit. if i cussed you 1000 times, i’m sorry that i wasn’t able to cuss you 100 million motherfucking times. people feel remorse, but what the fuck does god have anything to do with feeling sorry. it’s just a sorry motherfucking excuse to do it again.

    now, go fuck off.

  99. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:09 am 99.alex said …

    “I am simply stating what his laws state”

    bullshit. you know better than the pope? who made you the catholic spokesperson or representative? you’re nobody, but some dumb anonymous motherfucker trying to be cool and righteous on an atheist blog.

    don’t try to turn that shit around on me. i’m nobody too, but you don’t see me tossing bullshit around like you continually do. all i do is continually call out your shit, you dumb motherfucker.

  100. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:12 am 100.the messenger said …

    924.alex, you are so stupid.

    People have to leave the earth so day. Death of the human body is nessessary. P.S. in the bible, GOD only killed bad people, like in the flood.

    The burnt flesh is animal flesh. It is just like the smell of a barbecue. What is bad about that.

    GOD fears no one.

  101. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:24 am 101.alex said …

    “GOD fears no one.”

    your god fears me. i’ve called the motherfucker out countless times, yet he needs morons like you to fight his battles. your stupid bible revels in that fact that the baal priests got owned when asked to produce their god, but when atheists ask you the same thing, you make up all kinds of excuses for your feeble skydad.

    Judges 1:19, motherfucker. iron chariots? fucking comedy material.

    again, who the fuck are you? your moronic posts are so stupid, they’re not even close to being in line with the standard catholic fare.

    you speak to god in your dreams? keep it to yourself, dumbass.

  102. on 08 Dec 2013 at 5:02 am 102.Angus and Alexis said …

    “The burnt flesh is animal flesh. It is just like the smell of a barbecue. What is bad about that.”

    WRONG.

    You “cook” at a barbecue, you do not “burn” at a barbecue.

    “GOD fears no one.”

    Excluding iron chariots?

    “P.S. in the bible, GOD only killed bad people, like in the flood.”

    Incorrect, there were many innocent children, adults and animals.

    “Death of the human body is nessessary.”

    An omnipotent god cannot do something?
    What a joke.

  103. on 08 Dec 2013 at 4:59 pm 103.the messenger said …

    931.Angus and Alexis, when a steak cook on a grill, it get burnt a little. What is wrong about liking the smell of that?

    GOD does not fear anyone. the reason that he had humans fight against his enemies is because they needed to prove their devotion to GOD, by facing many foes.

    GOD can do anything he wants. He chose to make our moral bodies die so our soul could go to heaven. He could do it a different way, but he chose to do it this way.

    Allow me to reword that statement. GOD only directly killed bad people. Any other deaths that occurred in the bible were not of punishment, but simply because it was their time to leave the earth.

  104. on 08 Dec 2013 at 5:33 pm 104.alex said …

    hear ye, hear ye. dumbshit, selfappointed god motherfucker, messenger in da house. fuck the pope, the priests and/or the bishops. messenger speaks!

    hor/martin/biff(remember him), you’all better recognize your leader.

  105. on 08 Dec 2013 at 5:50 pm 105.the messenger said …

    930.alex, GOD has people speak for him, not because of fear, but because he wants us learn his laws. If we spead his teaching, we will better understand them.

  106. on 08 Dec 2013 at 5:54 pm 106.the messenger said …

    933.alex, I am not claiming to be better or in charge of anyone, you child.

    I am speaking the same message that the pope, bishops, and priests speak. I am not claiming authority or superiority over any of them.

  107. on 08 Dec 2013 at 6:00 pm 107.alex said …

    “I am speaking the same message that the pope,…”

    you lying motherfucking bitch. quote the pope and show where he agrees with you on your bullshit rape payoff. ooops, switch the subject. squirm, motherfucker, squirm.

  108. on 08 Dec 2013 at 6:20 pm 108.alex said …

    allahu akbar, xtian infidel. praise be to allah, the lord of the worlds.

    you like that shit? you don’t, do ya? if you just keep your religious shit to yourself and we’ll be fine.

    but of course, you motherfuckers won’t. not only do you morons love to spread your bullshit word, you cannot even resist fucking with this site.

  109. on 08 Dec 2013 at 11:53 pm 109.Angus and Alexis said …

    Wow…

    Messenger, your arguments seem like they were already used by every other *debunked* theist…

  110. on 09 Dec 2013 at 1:51 am 110.Science Guy said …

    alex seems like a little boy that was raped and abused and angry at the entire world. alex, send me your zip and I will recommend a counselor who can help you and cure you of the the hate and anger you still experience. Your rants reflect very badly on you and no one will hardly even respond to you fella. Your atheist buddies don’t care enough about you to tell you the truth. Get help and soon for your own good. Seriously…….

    Agnus the tulip…..let me know when you have debunked even one argument for God then we can talk….I don’t expect that to be happening from someone who has a tulip blogging with him/her lol!!!!

  111. on 09 Dec 2013 at 2:30 am 111.alex said …

    “alex seems like a little boy that was raped and abused”

    you crack me up, you dumb motherfucker. your god is bullshit and you resort to this? no one responds? you’re right. messenger and you are the only ones responding and you both are a couple of inconsequential idiots trolling this blog.

    my rants are keeping motherfuckers like you in check and you don’t like it. you’ve been busted so many times, it amazes that you even show up.

    that right motherfucker. look at the aggregated links on this site and notice how the comments look similar to the unmistakable stench that is you.

    http://goo.gl/bto5qi

  112. on 09 Dec 2013 at 3:49 am 112.alex said …

    Then he said to the tree, “fuck this motherfucking fig tree…” and his disciples thought they heard him say “fuck this motherfucking fag tree…”. and that’s why xtians hate homosexuals.

  113. on 09 Dec 2013 at 3:49 am 113.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    lol!!!! Knew I could get a rise out of Archie Bunker! lol!!!!! Just too easy!

    Seek medical attention Arch…..

  114. on 09 Dec 2013 at 3:57 am 114.archieBunker said …

    hey dumbass. you happy? a rise is your god proof? what else you want to call me? you’ve already used up dippy. since you got nothing, this is it for you? name calling? you in elementary school? ran out of lies, eh? dumbass motherfucker.

  115. on 09 Dec 2013 at 4:02 am 115.alex said …

    hey dipshit. i looked at the logs and saw you searching for biff. comments look familiar? you can’t hide, dumbass. no matter how many times you change your name, your posts are archived.

    btw, lots of people have search for “biff”, “martin” and “science guy” and guess what? they know it’s you. dumbfuck.

  116. on 09 Dec 2013 at 12:10 pm 116.Angus and Alexis said …

    By the way Alex, nice site.

    I wish i knew how to do such things…

  117. on 09 Dec 2013 at 12:59 pm 117.alex said …

    well, the morons have attacked my home computer, filled up my logs and brought it down. the gauntlett has been throw and i accept the challenge.

    this ain’t amateur hour. i’ll move it to a hosting site and we’ll see how these morons do. remember, you morons, DOS attacks are serious shits.

  118. on 09 Dec 2013 at 1:45 pm 118.Angus and Alexis said …

    You could sue them.
    That would be a laugh.

  119. on 09 Dec 2013 at 4:34 pm 119.Dippy said …

    The Christian theist method of reasoning goes like this:

    Rule #1. The Christian God of the bible provides the only source of morality.

    Rule #2. If the Christian God of the bible does something that anyone can see is clearly immoral, refer to rule #1.

    Rule #3. If anyone questions this, call them a name and change the subject.

    Got it?

  120. on 09 Dec 2013 at 6:31 pm 120.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “name calling? you in elementary school”

    ROTFL!!!!! Arch claiming others name-call. Now admittedly, I could never bring the sort of vile vitrole you unload, but I do think Archie is appropriate in this case.

    I have already admitted I am everyone who has ever posted here. That’s not enough?!!!!!

    Go ahead and bring the law suit as Alexis the tulip suggests. Great for more laughs! Lol!!!

    And now Archie is a conspiracy theorist!! I am taking the time to attack WWGHA. Lol!!!!! OMG!!!

    Sorry, too busy on the Obobbie care site! Lol!!!

  121. on 09 Dec 2013 at 6:35 pm 121.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    Arch,

    Just searched the comments. I see you were searching for tulips. That’s right, you can’t hide Arch. Your comments are archived my little pony!

    lol!!!

  122. on 09 Dec 2013 at 7:30 pm 122.Dippy said …

    Rule #3. If anyone questions this, call them a name and change the subject….
    and as predictably as the winter solstice:

    921.Ths Sckence Guy said …
    “Go ahead and bring the law suit as Alexis the tulip suggests. Great for more laughs! Lol!!!”

    “Arch,
    Just searched the comments. I see you were searching for tulips. That’s right, you can’t hide Arch. Your comments are archived my little pony!”

    See? I could be a fucking prophet.

  123. on 09 Dec 2013 at 11:16 pm 123.alex said …

    hor, you dumb motherfucker. i mentioned morons and you jump up and say “Hey, that’s me!”

    you really a dumb motherfucker. all this shits i dish out to your stoopid ass is really well deserved.

    the fact that you’ve been busted as martin/astro/biff and the rest of the socks is not gonna change by you saying you’re every one on this blog. the fact that you’ve been busted is really bugging you, ain’t it?

    here’s biff’s posts: http://goo.gl/28jokc
    here’s martin’s posts: http://goo.gl/FuOmdS

  124. on 09 Dec 2013 at 11:18 pm 124.alex said …

    here’s the rest of the posts. you decide if it’s hor.

    first science guy posts: http://goo.gl/oVjH8b
    secnd science guy posts: http://goo.gl/Eb8vto

    hor, you dumbass. everybody can see what a dumb motherfucker you truly are: morons, here? “hor: present and accounted for, sir!” lol that.

    quick! change the subject. no sense denying the archives. make up some shit why you keep changing your moniker and fluffing yourself.

  125. on 09 Dec 2013 at 11:21 pm 125.alex said …

    of course, this is my favorite. martin, talking to himself.

    [martin]
    Alex since you have neither you have a lot of free time huh?
    lol!!
    Martin,
    Good one!

    it’s the second post at: http://goo.gl/FuOmdS

  126. on 10 Dec 2013 at 1:43 am 126.the messenger said …

    919.Dippy, there is one think wrong with your comment.

    There are no immoral laws in the bible.

    P.S., 892.Dippy, I did not get that definition from a catholic dictionary. I got it from the Oxford dictionary. Since I got the definition from a reliable and great source, it means that my claim is correct due to the fact that my definition of steal is also correct(according to the oxford dictionary).
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  127. on 10 Dec 2013 at 2:02 am 127.the messenger said …

    954.alex, here ye, here ye, alex the the grand self proclaimed spokesman speaks.SARCASM.

    What makes you the high judge of all Christians? What gives you the authority to judge us?

  128. on 10 Dec 2013 at 3:17 am 128.alex said …

    “What makes you the high judge of all Christians? What gives you the authority to judge us?”

    the same authority that gives me the authority to judge bigfoot believers, ufo believers, loch ness monster believers, santa claus believers, et all.

    all bullshit, including your christ. it’s not up to me to disprove your god any more than it is for me to disprove all the other fucked up gods, allah, zeus, odin and shit.

    your turn. name a single, well known catholic that agrees with your view on rape. you can’t, can you? if you can’t even agree with your big homies, how in the fuck can you even legitimately lecture this blog?

    here, take a look at your posts: http://goo.gl/mJMi2s

    take it your priest and ask him to grade it. come back with your “F”, you dumbass.

  129. on 10 Dec 2013 at 7:04 am 129.Angus and Alexis said …

    Messenger, do you mind if you would stop posting such stupidly long comments that consist of several tens of full stops?

    That would be nice.

    You also fail to comprehend that stealing with the intention of giving it back is still stealing, as it invoke the “take without legal right or permission” section of the definition.

  130. on 10 Dec 2013 at 4:48 pm 130.Dippy said …

    Sure Messy… no problem. Taking something that doesn’t belong to you without the knowledge and permission of the person it belongs to isn’t really stealing as long as you intend to give it back. Absolutely.
    Eternity also doesn’t mean forever… just a long time.
    And stoning someone to death doesn’t mean stoning someone to death, just punishing them in a loving, humane way.
    The premeditated killing of a person for political or religious reasons also isn’t murder, providing that person is in your judgement a bad person. Killing the people of another country that your country is at war with is also not murder.
    Whatever you say, there Mess…
    After all, you believe in an invisible man who lives in the sky and you think that when you die you are going to live forever with him in a magical kingdom where everything is perfect forever and ever and ever… so why not?

  131. on 10 Dec 2013 at 7:13 pm 131.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “isn’t really stealing”

    Didn’t you say stealing is ok?

    “premeditated killing”

    Why is it wrong?

    “so why not?”

    Yes, why not do whatever? Why is anything wrong?

  132. on 10 Dec 2013 at 8:09 pm 132.Dippy said …

    “Yes, why not do whatever? Why is anything wrong?”

    The fact that you ask me that question shows how clueless you actually are.
    Remember, you are the one with the absolute code of morality that you can’t show us or even tell us what it says.
    I guess you didn’t take my advice and take that sociology course. Willful ignorance is the worst kind of stupid.

  133. on 10 Dec 2013 at 8:16 pm 133.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Willful ignorance is the worst kind of stupid.”

    I agree you can’t even tell me why something is immoral. Heaven forbid you are allowed to reproduce and the child has to figure out if murder, rape, lying and stealing are wrong or not. Hopefully an adult will step on to raise the young steed.

    lol!!!

  134. on 10 Dec 2013 at 9:49 pm 134.the messenger said …

    957.alex, any catholic that believe in Matthew 5:17-20, automatically believes in that law as well.

  135. on 10 Dec 2013 at 10:02 pm 135.the messenger said …

    959.Dippy, Have you ever heard the phrase, “you are a piece of crap”? In this sentence, the word “crap” does not mean the actual dictionary definition. It is simply used to stress how bad the person is within that sentence.

    Within the bible, the word “eternal”‘s dictionary definition is not used to describe hell. In the bible, the word eternal is used to stress how long hell lasts.

    Understand?

  136. on 10 Dec 2013 at 10:04 pm 136.the messenger said …

    959.Dippy, Have you ever heard the phrase, “you are a piece of crap”? In this sentence, the word “crap” does not mean the actual dictionary definition. It is simply used to stress how bad the person is within that sentence.

    Within the bible, the word “eternal”‘s dictionary definition is not used. In the bible, the word eternal is used to stress how long hell lasts.

    Understand?

  137. on 10 Dec 2013 at 10:14 pm 137.alex said …

    “I agree you can’t even tell me why something is immoral.”

    so if an atheist did something moral it’s because of chance? maybe because the koran guided the atheist?

    illuminate, motherfucker. yours truly, arch.

  138. on 10 Dec 2013 at 11:20 pm 138.alex said …

    messenger, you got no creds here. not even with the catholic church. your rape view doesn’t jive. go away, moron.

    shut the fuck, up and follow Matthew 5:39-44

  139. on 10 Dec 2013 at 11:54 pm 139.Angus and Alexis said …

    “In the bible, the word eternal is used to stress how long hell lasts.”

    Guess what eternal means: Forever.

  140. on 11 Dec 2013 at 12:55 am 140.Science Guy said …

    Archie Bunker blurted “so if an atheist did something moral it’s because of chance?”

    If an atheist does something moral how do they know? Who tells them? What acknowledges they did good?

    Can you follow the question now Archie? Capiche?

    Again, get some help before the anger kills you or you kill someone else. But wait? That wouldn’t be immoral because you have a reason….right? lol!!!

    Get me you Zip so I can put you in touch with a counselor.

  141. on 11 Dec 2013 at 1:12 am 141.alex said …

    “If an atheist does something moral how do they know?”

    the ole tree falling in the forest if nobody hears eh? if an xtian priest rapes a little boy and nobody presses charges, is the little hor happy?

    if i kick your ass or i get counseling, does that prove your god? if i legally change my name to archie does that prove your god? didn’t think so and as usual, you ain’t got shit.

    tsk, tsk. changed your name again, you sneaky motherfucker. i consolidated both of your collective posts, you sneaky little fucker: http://goo.gl/SVEpEH – courtesy of “science guy” and “ths sckence guy” and of course martin, biff, etc. read the posts, you can’t hide hor.

    hey, martin, good one. yours truly, martin. har!

  142. on 11 Dec 2013 at 1:19 am 142.alex said …

    for my next trick i will publish hor’s greatest hits. i will comb the wwgha archives and gather all these suspected socks and consolidate all their comments into one giant list: these are my sock suspects: biff, martin, science guy, and Ths Sckence Guy. anybody else know any other hor sock puppets?

  143. on 11 Dec 2013 at 1:55 am 143.Anonymous said …

    Science Guy (I love the deep irony):

    If an atheist does something moral how do they know? Who tells them? What acknowledges they did good?

    Well, why don’t you actually USE SCIENCE? How was morality decided BEFORE the invention of xtianity? How did folks know….. with no bible to guide them? Such a silly man you are, hor.

  144. on 11 Dec 2013 at 3:29 am 144.Science Guy said …

    “Well, why don’t you actually USE SCIENCE?”

    Hi Freddie-Mouse! Decide to stop running!!

    Well, young feller, I used science. My conclusion: Each atheists does what he thinks is right. Therefore, everything can be moral. This means Hitler,Stalin and Mao were all moral because they did what they felt was moral.

    Seem scientific enough for you Freddie-Mouse? Maybe you have another theory? Love to hear one! lol!!!!!

    This is exciting! Lets see what Freedie-Mouse can produce!

  145. on 11 Dec 2013 at 3:34 am 145.Science Guy said …

    “i will comb the wwgha archives and gather all these suspected socks and consolidate all their comments into one giant list”

    ROTFL!!!!!!!

    This is precious. Feel free my very sick young friend. Let me know if I need to claim another moniker I may have missed. I have already admitted I am everyone so you will prove what I already acknowledged?

    Great! Have fun. I hope it keeps you busy and away from the possibility of hurting yourself or others!

    Oh, to have that much free-time!

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  146. on 11 Dec 2013 at 4:17 am 146.alex said …

    “Oh, to have that much free-time!”

    it’s not that difficult, asshole. for you though, with your demonstrated lack of reasoning, combing thru all the archives would take a long time. of course, you wouldn’t even begin to know how to compile the list.

    check out your posts. who’s been on this blog longer?

    “Feel free my very sick young friend.”

    says the moron who prays to the skydaddy that’s obsessed with foreskins and is summoned at will to maul youths? bears, motherfucker.

    “I have already admitted I am everyone”

    but you’re not. it’s not gonna work, hor/martin/biff/scienceGuy. you can’t run from it, no matter how you spin it.

    “nice going martin. yours truly, martin”.

  147. on 11 Dec 2013 at 4:25 am 147.alex said …

    “Each atheists does what he thinks is right. Therefore, everything can be moral. This means Hitler,Stalin and Mao were all moral because they did what they felt was moral.”

    let’s say this is true. how the fuck does that prove that your bullshit bible morals are true.

    so if a theist does something immoral, this also prove that biblical morals are true? you’ve stopped making sense along time ago. this explains your proclivity for calling people names and shit.

    “martin, way to go. yours truly, martin”.

  148. on 11 Dec 2013 at 4:50 am 148.alex said …

    proofs of bible morals:
    1. alex cursing
    2. atheists cannot define morality
    3. alex is archie
    4. dpk is dippy
    5. alex has too much time
    6. stupid atheists
    7. young earth. no people/morals before 10k ago.

    proofs of creation
    1. camaro on beach
    2. no crocoduck
    3. alex cursing
    4. stupid atheists
    5. dna programmer required

    proofs of god
    1. the bible
    2. testimonials
    3. grand canyon erosion
    4. alex cursing
    5. stupid atheists
    6. messenger

  149. on 11 Dec 2013 at 3:01 pm 149.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “let’s say this is true.”

    I just did. It’s also dangerous and foolish

    SEEK professional counseling. Get me that Zip Arch.

    Yes I am everyone.

  150. on 11 Dec 2013 at 4:54 pm 150.Dippy said …

    Ass you are so obtuse and completely wrapped up in your own delusion you can’t even see the point when it is staring you in the face.

    How do cultures who have never heard of your bible or your current god du jour know that it is wrong to kill, steal, or rape? How?

    How do you reconcile your biblical morality that allows things like slavery, stoning, genocide? Are you actually going to argue that slavery is in fact moral? If not, how do you make that determination?

    Messy has already demonstrated to us that his absolute moral code, which is supposedly the same one as yours, allows for things like forcing a woman to marry her rapist. Curiously, you are strangely silent about these claims. WHY? I think you are a despicable excuse for a human being, but even I don’t think you are stupid enough or evil enough to believe that these kinds of acts are actually morally ok just because they are prescribed in the bible.
    Presumably, you make a distinction between what is moral in the bible and what is not. How?
    Now, even if you know, I know you won’t admit it. You will just change the subject or try to shift the burden. This is avoidance, a sad consequence of trying to support a delusion.

  151. on 11 Dec 2013 at 5:43 pm 151.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “How do cultures who have never heard of your bible or your current god du jour know that it is wrong to kill, steal, or rape?”

    Ask them. How do atheists? Will he answer the time. …………prediction……….no!

    lol!!!

  152. on 11 Dec 2013 at 5:50 pm 152.alex said …

    “Ask them. How do atheists?”

    more god proof? how do atheists drink milk? ask them? bingo! god proof. moron.

  153. on 11 Dec 2013 at 5:59 pm 153.alex said …

    “How do cultures who have never heard of your bible or your current god du jour know that it is wrong to kill, steal, or rape?”

    hor’s only answer has to be “before the xtian god, there were no cultures, therefore the question is no good”. dating evidence is suspect, therefore it’s not definitive “anything” existed before genesis. starlight was created in “transit” and on… and on…

    so hor pouts like a little bitch and blurts, “go ask them”.

  154. on 11 Dec 2013 at 6:11 pm 154.Dippy said …

    “Now, even if you know, I know you won’t admit it. You will just change the subject or try to shift the burden. This is avoidance, a sad consequence of trying to support a delusion.”

    951.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Ask them. How do atheists?”

    Am I good, or what? I have a 100% correct rate when predicting what poor ASS will do. LOL indeed!

    I’m not asking them, I’m asking YOU… the one with an “absolute code of morality”

    “Messy has already demonstrated to us that his absolute moral code, which is supposedly the same one as yours, allows for things like forcing a woman to marry her rapist. Curiously, you are strangely silent about these claims. WHY? I think you are a despicable excuse for a human being, but even I don’t think you are stupid enough or evil enough to believe that these kinds of acts are actually morally ok just because they are prescribed in the bible.
    Presumably, you make a distinction between what is moral in the bible and what is not. How?”

    Its a simple question for someone who has an absolute code of morality. But curiously, you will never, ever answer.

  155. on 11 Dec 2013 at 6:46 pm 155.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “I’m not asking them, I’m asking YOU”

    Why ask me? I’m not one of them. Go to the source, Dippy. Hey I do know how an atheist on this blog determined what was moral. He used Judeo-Christian values. He told me.

    lol!!!!!!

    So funny how you try to get the spotlight off you!!!

    Now back to you. You are an atheists. Correct? Certainly you should know WHY you think certain actions are moral, yes? So?

  156. on 11 Dec 2013 at 7:29 pm 156.Dippy said …

    Hahaha…. I’d like to say “nice try at a dodge” ut sadly, it wasn’t even that.
    I’m not asking you how cultures who have never heard of the bible manage to establish moralities. I already know that! Silly man.

    Try to focus now… your silliness isn’t fooling anyone but you. Specifiably what I asked YOU… and you always avoid answering, was:

    “Presumably, you make a distinction between what is moral in the bible and what is not. How?”

    The answers you pretend to seek will be revealed to you when you grow enough balls to answer this question honestly for yourself. But we know that isn’t going to happen, don’t we? Instead you will play coy and try to look clever, even though everyone can see plainly what a complete fraud you are. LOL!!!

    It is sometime so much fun showing what an ass you are! Is that immoral?? How do you know?

    hahahahaha.

  157. on 11 Dec 2013 at 8:39 pm 157.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “I’d like to say “nice try at a dodge” ut sadly, it wasn’t even that.”

    Dodge? Dodge what? Because I don’t answer for some other group of people? Lol!!!!! I asked about your people. Tired of running? Lol!!!

    “I already know that”

    You do? Then you must be ashamed. You refuse to explain why you are moral but Stalin was not.
    lol!!!!!!

    ‘you will play coy”

    Actually I am clever. You do not have a rational answer and you and I both know it. :)

  158. on 11 Dec 2013 at 9:50 pm 158.Dippy said …

    957.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Dodge? Dodge what? Because I don’t answer for some other group of people? Lol!!!!! I asked about your people. Tired of running? Lol!!!”

    Young man, you really need to get some help with your reading comprehension problem. ADD? or has alcoholism rotted your brain? I am patient, I will try again:

    Messy has already demonstrated to us that his absolute moral code, which is supposedly the same one as yours, allows for things like forcing a woman to marry her rapist and slavery and assassination and such…
    Presumably, you make a distinction between what is moral in the bible and what is not. How?

    Now stay focused, because I am trying to teach you something. The answer you seek you already know.

    But you won’t admit it, because we all know what you are… a self delusional, lying sack of human waste…. hahahahaha. You are so funny… and you think yourself clever!! Just like a 2nd grade school child who thinks he is “clever” playing “I’m rubber, you’re glue.”

    Clever!!! I nearly spit my coffee all over my poor keyboard!

  159. on 12 Dec 2013 at 2:18 am 159.Science Guy said …

    “forcing a woman to marry her rapist and slavery and assassination and such…”

    Good point! So why is this wrong? In order to judge a moral code, well, you gotta have one! Because everything is relative, right? So wouldn’t this be OK in atheism-land?

    LOL!!!!

    So, will he answer this time or once again change the subject?

    Prediction: Another change of subject!

    LOL!!!!!!!! I am clever and the prophet!

    Oh, and he will come with more more alexisms to feel like he is a Big man! lol!!!!

  160. on 12 Dec 2013 at 2:43 am 160.Dippy said …

    “forcing a woman to marry her rapist and slavery and assassination and such…”
    Good point! So why is this wrong? In order to judge a moral code, well, you gotta have one! Because everything is relative, right? So wouldn’t this be OK in atheism-land?

    Ahh.. Progress! You finally agree that things like slavery, forcing a woman to marry her rapist, stoning and the like are clearly immoral. Excellent.

    Now, rather than ask me how I know these acts are immoral, simply ask YOURSELF how you know these are immoral, because the answer cannot be “because the bible says so” because obviously, the bible says they are perfectly ok.

    So, how do you know? How do YOU decide what parts of the bible to embrace, and what parts to ignore? Remember, no one has ever said there are no good values to be garnished from your bible.

  161. on 12 Dec 2013 at 3:25 am 161.Dippy said …

    And if you can’t tell me how you know that slavery, forced marriage, genocide, and capital punishment for trivial “crimes” like loosing your virginity before marriage is immoral, then I would suggest to you that perhaps my relative moral code is far superior to your non existent absolute one. Lol.

  162. on 12 Dec 2013 at 4:03 am 162.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “perhaps my relative moral code is far superior to your non existent absolute one”

    ROTFL! I guess we will never know. You refuse to tell anyone why they are wrong just I predicted!

    lol!!!

    (sigh!)

    I understand, you are embarrassed.

    If you decide you have something other than everything is moral, feel free to come again!

    lol!!!!!!

  163. on 12 Dec 2013 at 4:08 am 163.Dippy said …

    Your pathological need to construct straw men arguments to support your claims is very tiring. Too bad, you were almost there, but, as predicted, you simply haven’t got the balls to be honest with us, or yourself.
    Well so much for your absolute code of morality. Hahaha… What a joke.

  164. on 12 Dec 2013 at 4:33 am 164.Dippy said …

    Notice that ass has admitted that his “absolute code of morality” cannot even tell him why slavery, forced marriage, and genocide is immoral.

    Instead, he makes up lies like “atheists believe nothing is immoral”.

    Pretty week position when the only way you can try to make a point is to flat out lie about what your opponent has said. Pathetic.

    Can anyone here who claims the bible provides an absolute code of morality tell me how you determine that slavery, forced marriage, and other things, like genocide, are wrong? Anyone?

  165. on 12 Dec 2013 at 6:56 am 165.Angus and Alexis said …

    You know what i have learnt from this blog.

    Messenger and Hor would both start raping, murdering and stealing if they found out their book was incorrect.

    When you think about it, that is truly monstrous.

  166. on 12 Dec 2013 at 12:04 pm 166.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “start raping, murdering and stealing’

    So why are they wrong Agnus?

    Prediction; No answer and avoidance tactics

  167. on 12 Dec 2013 at 12:10 pm 167.Angus and Alexis said …

    Why are they wrong?

    All cause suffering/pain/etc in some form or another.

    Why do you claim it is wrong?

  168. on 12 Dec 2013 at 12:36 pm 168.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “All cause suffering/pain/etc in some form or another”

    Whoa there my little pony. Dippy has…..on this blog……..claimed stealing is OK. So are you saying atheists do not agree these are immoral?

    What is this etc? That could be anything
    Is pain always immoral? Are you sure?

    YOU once claimed culture determined morality. Have you now changed your opinion?

  169. on 12 Dec 2013 at 12:59 pm 169.Angus and Alexis said …

    “YOU once claimed culture determined morality. Have you now changed your opinion?”

    I never stated otherwise, morals are still effected by culture.

    “Dippy has…..on this blog……..claimed stealing is OK.”

    I do not recall him saying this…
    If so, i must disagree with him.

    “So are you saying atheists do not agree these are immoral?”

    There is no absolute morals, so yes, not everyone agrees.

    Now may you answer my question? Why are these things immoral?

  170. on 12 Dec 2013 at 1:22 pm 170.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “There is no absolute morals, so yes, not everyone agrees.”

    so why are you moral and Stalin and Sadaam were not? Just opinion, right? It was legal for Stalin to murder and for Sadaam to rape and pillage.

    SO why are you right?

  171. on 12 Dec 2013 at 1:28 pm 171.Dippy said …

    Again, Hor lies about what I said ( straw man) in order to make a point to argue against.
    I have never made a blanket statement like “stealing is ok”, and he knows it full well. Either that, or he is an idiot. What I HAVE said, is that there are circumstances where stealing could be moral than not stealing, where lying could be more moral than telling the truth, and where killing could be more moral than not killing…. Because morality of a given act ALWAYS depends on circumstances.

    Hor/Ass is well aware of that, but his god given absolute moral directive against lying apparently does not apply when talking about atheists…. Which is odd because that would seem to imply it is relative.

  172. on 12 Dec 2013 at 1:32 pm 172.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Just opinion, right?”

    An opinion of many people, yes.

    “It was legal for Stalin to murder and for Sadaam to rape and pillage.”

    It is also legal for muslims to stone, and for christians (catholics) to rape 12 year old boys.

    Might i ask what morals has to do with this discussion? It seems rather irrelevant.

    But while we are here, why is such things immoral to you?

  173. on 12 Dec 2013 at 1:57 pm 173.Angus and Alexis said …

    As a question, it is obvious that you (Hor) find that lying is indeed moral, why?

  174. on 12 Dec 2013 at 3:26 pm 174.Dippy said …

    ” It was legal for Stalin to murder and for Sadaam to rape and pillage.”

    Is it legal or moral? Don’t confuse the two silly. You are such a mess. Was it moral to drop the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Is it possible for 2 moral and well intentioned people in good conscious to have differing opinions about that?
    Not if there is an absolute code of morality. What does your code say about that? Ok to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians to end a war early and avoid an invasion that would have killed hundreds of thousands? What does your code say?

  175. on 12 Dec 2013 at 4:44 pm 175.alex said …

    ”It was legal for Stalin to murder and for Sadaam to rape and pillage.”

    the atheist bacteria that killed half of europe definitely proves that without biblical morals, atheists are legal murderers.

    what a moron.

  176. on 12 Dec 2013 at 5:36 pm 176.Dippy said …

    Well, there is nothing I like more that spreading the atheist plague around for sure, unless it is ripping open the bellies of pregnant woman and dashing them on rocks… ooop! sorry… that’s a bible thing, not an atheist one… I meant I love causing an atheist flood that kills every living thing on the planet except for a few select atheist.. and fish I suppose… haha!!
    But what I really like is getting a bunch of my atheist buddies together and going around stoning people for not following our athesit moral code or working on the atheist holy day… that’s always fun!

  177. on 12 Dec 2013 at 6:46 pm 177.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Is it legal or moral? Don’t confuse the two silly”

    lol!!!! Impossible to please atheist. Agnus not long ago claimed laws and culture determined morality and now Dippy has a spell when we link the two!

    lol!!!

    “Was it moral to drop the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki”

    You can’t even tell me when stealing is OK! Lol!!! Much less deal with the morality of war!

    Now you claim stoning is immoral? When and Why?Prediction: No answer!

    lol!!!!

    This is like Dawkins God Delusion. First half he argues against moral absolutes. Second half, he gives you moral absolutes.

    ROTFL!!!!!

  178. on 12 Dec 2013 at 7:22 pm 178.alex said …

    “You can’t even tell me when stealing is OK!”

    because atheists refuse your bullshit games. it is your position that bible morals are absolute, yes? when pointed out that it’s not, your retort is “why not?”. you’re a dumbass.

    a bullshiter posits that “all animals fly”. nope, somebody points out that cows don’t. hor hollers. “you can’t even tell me why cows can’t fly! I win”.

    what a moron.

  179. on 12 Dec 2013 at 8:07 pm 179.Dippy said …

    “You can’t even tell me when stealing is OK! Lol!!! Much less deal with the morality of war!

    Now you claim stoning is immoral? When and Why?”

    So, no answer from your absolute code of morality?
    What do you mean “deal with the morality of war?” according to you, it is either moral or it isn’t.. it doesn’t depend, so there is nothing to “deal with”. LOL, you don’t even understand the implications of your own claims! Such a hot mess of contradictions. No wonder you can’t discuss anything honestly. You’ve got your head so far up your ass you don’t know which way is up… LOL!

    I have given you several hypotheticals of when stealing would be moral… there isn’t a list! LOL.. you don’t get it at all. YOU are the one with the absolute moral code and you expect absolute answers from people who say there is no such thing. That’s no different from your usual brain dead demands that someone disprove the magical properties of your imaginary god.
    Whay can’t you answer ANY questions about the specifics of your moral code, ever?
    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  180. on 12 Dec 2013 at 8:19 pm 180.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Whay can’t you answer ANY questions about the specifics of your moral code, ever?”

    why? No absolutes correct? Therefore no matter what I claim it can be considered moral……..always……..because there are NO absolutes.

    Whay!!! Silly Dippy, can’t even see your own implications of you’d stupidity.

    lol!!!! Like how you picked up my lols and my usage of silly. Its an honor teaching you about the ToE too!!

    lol!!!!!!

  181. on 12 Dec 2013 at 8:44 pm 181.Dippy said …

    980.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Whay can’t you answer ANY questions about the specifics of your moral code, ever?”

    “why? No absolutes correct?”

    Well, based on your avoidance of the questions, it would certainly appear so.
    Thanks for making my point… LOL indeed.

    The only “thing” you taught me is how dishonest and devious a christian with an absolute code of morality can be when backed into a corner with no way out. Feeling desperate now?

    Easy way to get out and shut us all up… answer the questions and dazzle us with the brilliance of your god given absolute code of morality. Here’s your chance………..

  182. on 12 Dec 2013 at 8:48 pm 182.Dippy said …

    Now, shall we try again? Here is your chance to shine Mr. ASStrophysicist. Your god has provided you in concrete form, a code of morality with no conditions and no variations… absolute. So:

    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  183. on 12 Dec 2013 at 9:51 pm 183.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “dishonest and devious”

    No such thing in atheist world.

    “Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.”

    Define OK. Define force. Give me a reason why this would be wrong.

    Agnus told us earlier he disagreed with you. Lying to him is wrong. So, which is it in atheist land?

  184. on 12 Dec 2013 at 10:33 pm 184.Dippy said …

    983.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “dishonest and devious”

    No such thing in atheist world.

    A lie. A dishonest and devious one.

    “Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.”

    Define OK. Define force. Give me a reason why this would be wrong.

    Why should I give you a reason why this would be wrong? You are the one with the absolute moral code. I want to know what it says. You don’t know what “OK” or “force” means? Are you illiterate?

    Agnus told us earlier he disagreed with you. Lying to him is wrong. So, which is it in atheist land?

    No, he said he disagreed with the lie you made up about what I said. Not the same thing there, assman… you are pathetic. Have you wet your pants trying to think of ways to avoid the questions?
    Let’s try again and try to be a big boy and come up with some answers:
    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  185. on 13 Dec 2013 at 12:22 am 185.alex said …

    And now!, my first draft of the Book of Hor: http://goo.gl/bDTMVq Starring:

    A40Y-HorX-Troll – Hor busted as 40Year, so in a lame attempt, he renames himself, but his comments give him away.

    Martin – a pseudo made up intellect, but predictably busted, he comes back as the?

    Science Guy – It’s too easy. His moronic comments are too obvious. Called out, he resurfaces as:

    Ths Sckence guy – Wow! he blames it on his spell checker, but he’s too stupid to know the checker works the other way. Ok. I admit, I’m lying on this one. An atheist lying is god proof?

    Biff – An earlier attempt to fluff himself. Failed miserably.

    The Hor – the one and only.

    Please review and post back. If you can point out that some of the entries are not Hor, I will take them out.

    Also, please point out the astrodumbshitphysicist. I couldn’t find his comments.

    Hor, you claim I have too much time? Have you checked the list? This book ain’t that hard to compile. I do this shit while waiting for my programs to compile.

    This book is not made up. Click on the link entries and you’ll see them in the original wwgha site.

    ciao, hor, motherfucker

  186. on 13 Dec 2013 at 12:32 am 186.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Messy says your code says it is… is he right?”

    lol!!!! He has to be right?..nothing is absolute in atheist land. So tell me, is Mess right?

    why does Agnus disagree with you about lying? He is quite clear he distress with you? Why?

  187. on 13 Dec 2013 at 12:51 am 187.alex said …

    Added Xenon to the Book of Hor http://goo.gl/bDTMVq

    Checking 40 year atheist, but I’m not sure.

    Why would Hor hijacked the moniker? But 40 year atheist did disappear.

  188. on 13 Dec 2013 at 1:35 am 188.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    Um, alex

    I am A, also Science Guy, Ths Sckence Guy and A40Y-HorX-Troll. Geez just ask. I’ll save you the trouble. But stay busy, idle hands…..

    And, no, I didn’t click you link…lol!!!!!. Maybe when I was a Jr High student Hey, link me with any name you like slick…. .

    ROTFL!!!! Wow!!!

  189. on 13 Dec 2013 at 2:00 am 189.alex said …

    “And, no, I didn’t click you link”

    of course, you didn’t. just like you didn’t click on the numerous articles about evolution crapping on your creationism, about geography crapping on your biblical flood, about history crapping on you jesus bullshit and other useful links.

    “I am A, also Science Guy, Ths Sckence Guy and A40Y-HorX-Troll.”

    you left out biff, xenon, martin, and of course, the hor.

    “But stay busy, idle hands…..”

    har! har! motherfucker. your comments total up to 67kb. any idea how many comments you’ve posted? it’s not that difficult to analyze your shit. you keep trying to say it takes a lot of time, but it doesn’t.

    i can do this shit while i’m working at home. for my next trick i will sort all your comments by time sequence. then we’ll see how much time you really spend on this blog, A40Y-HorX-Troll|martin|science guy|ths sckence guy|biff|the hor|xenon, motherfucker.

  190. on 13 Dec 2013 at 2:08 pm 190.Angus and Alexis said …

    IIRC, he was also Xenon.

  191. on 13 Dec 2013 at 5:11 pm 191.Dippy said …

    and Curmudgeon, Biff, Boz, and probably a few others as well.

    He never masqueraded and Ass or Astrophysicist. He was awarded that moniker when in the course of some discussion he claimed to be an astrophysicist. But, he spelled astrophysicist with a capital “A”, and that, along with his complete and total ignorance of the scientific method, was simply a lie meant to try and give credibility to his insanity.

    “A” is a very tragic individual who seeks nothing but attention and approval. So much so that he must invent an invisible army of allies, who curiously, consistently use the same logical fallacies, figures of speech, grammatical errors, and childish tactics. This makes his sock puppets very easy to spot. Notice how he continually misstates facts “everything is moral according to atheists”, “Dippy says lying is perfectly ok” even when he is corrected. This refusal to actually engage or debate anyone on an honest, earnest basis is the hallmark you can always recognize.

    Frankly, in the past I did not suspect that A/Hor/Curm was in fact 40year. Their writing styles are different. “A”‘s is childlike, featuring disjointed thoughts and juvenile attempts at mockery. 40yr’s is overwrought and torturous, with an attempt to try to hide logical fallacies and false assumption behind a thesaurus of word salad and woo-woo mumbo jumbo.

    But he outed himself on that one on a couple occasions when he was caught replying in his Hor personality and style under the 40yr moniker. 40yr never actually replies or engages in conversation here, her only cut and pastes his verbal diarrhea verbatim from his crazy ass website/manifesto.

    I suspect because his writing style on the 40yr website is carefully crafted, and likely largely plagiarized from other sources, and he does not have the ability or intellectual capacity to engage anyone in real time in the 40yr persona.

    So, that’s his story. I suspect he is in actuality some kind of minister or self anointed spiritualist. His underlying attitude of entitlement and superiority is in keeping with the personality traits that often attract someone to this calling. Pompous and self absorbed.

  192. on 13 Dec 2013 at 7:07 pm 192.A40Y-HorX-Troll|martin|science guy|ths sckence guy|biff|the hor|xenon said …

    ROTFL,

    Wow!!

    what a great story. It is easier t discuss people rather than ideas forge the low IQ. Lol!!!!!

    So as 40, I run that website, plagerize, and then come here and expose the fallacies, illogical beliefs and the continual dodging of questions?

    I dunno Dip, that seems a stretch. But I did agree I was everyone on the site so OK…..will that get you to answer even one question like when is it OK to lie?

    Prediction: No! lol!!!!!

  193. on 13 Dec 2013 at 7:20 pm 193.alex said …

    “But I did agree I was everyone on the site…”

    but you’re not. you’re just saying that to try to throw off the fact that you’re a multiple posting piece of shit.

  194. on 13 Dec 2013 at 7:27 pm 194.alex said …

    “It is easier t discuss people…”

    you’re a moron. what is so different about your post, you stupid shit? that fact that you got busted many many times is really getting to ya, ain’t it?

    don’t worry. the “Book of Hor” is gonna get better. as dpk pointed out, i’ve also included Curmudgeon and Boz.

    but you won’t click on the link, because you’re afraid. who’s afraid of a damn link? who’s afraid to die? theists! dat why they make up skydaddy! har!

  195. on 13 Dec 2013 at 7:41 pm 195.Dippy said …

    “…..will that get you to answer even one question like when is it OK to lie?”

    It is ok to lie when the consequences of lying would cause more good than harm. ie.. when the stormtroopers come to the door, it is perfectly moral to say “Sorry, Mr. Genocidal Manic, there are no (jews, christians, escaped slaves, atheists, abortion doctors, witches, pagans, muslims, etc…) hiding in my basement. Go look elsewhere.”
    vs “I cannot tell a lie, Mr. Genocidal Maniac. There are indeed innocent people you wish to slaughter hiding in my basement behind the furnace. I feel so much better doing what Jesus would want and being always truthful.”

    I take it you disagree? In which case you are an imbicle.

    Now for someone who admonishes “will that get you to answer even one question”? Shall we review ALL the questions you have been asked repeatedly that you have refused to answer? Or perhaps, in the interest of brevity, since that would be a very. very lengthy list indeed, lets just focus on the most recent ones:

    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  196. on 13 Dec 2013 at 8:06 pm 196..A40Y-HorX-Troll|martin|science guy|ths sckence guy|biff|the hor|xenon said …

    “It is ok to lie when the consequences of lying would cause more good than harm.”

    Hmmmmmm……Yes, I get storm-troopers often…lol!!!…….Interesting……..so how would one define “good” and “harm”. You are just taking MORE vague words that are again……..relative.

    Would it be OK for Hitler to lie to the German people to cleanse them from the filthy Jews as he saw them? Hitler was doing “good” and preventing “harm” to the German people in his mind. That’s OK, huh Dippy?

    Nope, that doesn’t work slick. Try again.

    Your question:

    “Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist”

    I take it you think this is like a Biblical command for Christians to follow, is this correct? Sorry, not familiar with it. Hmmmm………….. well from the atheist perspective, tell me why this is wrong so we can be on the same terms here.

  197. on 13 Dec 2013 at 9:14 pm 197.Dippy said …

    “Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist”

    I take it you think this is like a Biblical command for Christians to follow, is this correct? Sorry, not familiar with it.

    No, that is what your fellow theist Messenger said was “a very good law” garnished from the “absolute” code of morality handed down by your god. Where he got it I have no idea? I take it you disagree?

    Now, explain how an absolute “code of morality” can be interpreted differently by different people? That’s not possible, is it?

    Then, lets have the specifics of your absolute code of morality about the questions you are so desperately trying to avoid. And “define “good and harm” is not an answer. Your absolute code of morality should be very specific about what is allowed and what is not. So… answer the questions:
    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  198. on 13 Dec 2013 at 9:21 pm 198.Dippy said …

    “Would it be OK for Hitler to lie to the German people to cleanse them from the filthy Jews as he saw them? Hitler was doing “good” and preventing “harm” to the German people in his mind.”

    hahaha… so what you seem to be saying is that sometimes lying is the more moral thing to do and sometimes it isn’t… it that your point? Very good! It can be difficult at times to make an assesment… which is why having an absolute and unchanging code of morality would certainly be a handy thing to have.
    Since you have one… what does it say?

  199. on 14 Dec 2013 at 12:33 am 199.alex said …

    “Since you have one… what does it say?”

    he knows damn well, it doesn’t exists. the talking donkey is euphemism, he already admitted that genesis is interpretive, why not admit the fucking morals are bullshit?

    oh, i ferget. just another bullshit brick in the wall. you’re gonna ask me to quote the genesis interpretive? look in the “Book of Hor”.

  200. on 14 Dec 2013 at 1:22 am 200.Dippy said …

    “Since you have one… what does it say?”
    he knows damn well, it doesn’t exists…..

    Yes, but I take a distinctly amoral pleasure in watching him continually twist in the wind.
    He knows that if he gives any rope, or engages in any HONEST discourse, he will hang himself… That it why he is strident about NEVER directly answering any questions about his god, his gods properties, or any specifics about what his god actually directs.
    He knows that any specific statement, at all, will demolish his fragile delusion.

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