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Christianity Thomas on 05 Jan 2013 12:05 am

The insanity of religion – “God is faithful”

Here is an article that claims God will never let you down:

God won’t let you down

So remember that regardless to what difficult and seemingly impossible situations are pressing in on you, just know that God won’t let you down because He is faithful.

Imagine the level of insanity it takes to make a statement like this. Every year, 10 million kids die of things like starvation. More than half a million Americans died of heart disease last year, and another half million of cancer. 100,000 people died in accidents. And then there are the mass murders at places like Sandy Hook school. Was God “faithful” in any of these deaths? Clearly not!

Whatever the cause of your crisis be it unemployment, marital problems, sickness, etc. although things around you and even your emotions change, God doesn’t because He is faithful….

So why are you worried? You cast doubt on God’s very nature when doubting the outcome after placing the situation in His hands.

God is true to Himself and His righteous nature. His word will produce the results of His promises due to His faithfulness to His word and you can expect the results of His promises when applying the word to your life. His promises are sure and trustworthy.

So think about this. You are sick, you pray, you go to the doctor. First, why do you need to see a doctor if God is faithful? Second, last year about 200,000 people who did see a doctor died in the U.S. because of medical errors. What wonderful, faithful God would allow that?

The only way to say “god is faithful” is to completely ignore reality. Where does this level of insanity come from?

1,076 Responses to “The insanity of religion – “God is faithful””

  1. on 05 Jan 2013 at 8:32 pm 1.BrianE said …

    “Where does this level of insanity come from?”

    Early indoctrination. It should be illegal to take a child to church until they’re 18.

  2. on 05 Jan 2013 at 9:27 pm 2.alex said …

    “God is faithful”

    damn skippy. xtians love this shit. no matter what you do, no matter how fucking horrible, god will give you a free fucking pass, no matter what.

    so go ahead. beat all the homos you want, molest all the kids, kill all the other religious idiots and your god will set you free. romans 3:23-27, what a fucking joke, but prized by the idiots.

    yeah, but us xtians, we’re moral. har! har!

    what, i’m a cussing, stupid idiot? who cares? i’m not advocating anyone to be like me. don’t bring up that false dilemma bullshit. it’s not a choice between being like me or being religious. your god is bullshit. nuf said.

  3. on 05 Jan 2013 at 9:37 pm 3.alex said …

    “Early indoctrination. It should be illegal to take a child to church until they’re 18.”

    it’s not 100% though. laid off from work, these fuckers draw unemployment like everybody else. they wear their seatbelts, buy life insurance and do all those things that nonbelievers do.

    even though i laugh at the fuckers that gave away all their shit when they thought the world was going to end, i have to give them props for their conviction.

    not these xtian assholes over here. they talk shit, but don’t walk the walk.

  4. on 06 Jan 2013 at 6:11 pm 4.The messenger said …

    on 05 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 134.The messenger said …
    124.alex,just out of curiosity, why do you cuss so much?
    Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else. In fact it actually makes you look weak. You lack the will to stop cussing.
    I pray that you change.

  5. on 06 Jan 2013 at 11:16 pm 5.skobru said …

    I often ask christians and others where god was when 6 million jews and others were being killed. Oh and the purges of Stalin and Mao… oh and Pol Pot and oh… on and on… yes trust in god… where is god during rapes, murder torture… yes trust in god it will take care of you…

  6. on 07 Jan 2013 at 5:28 pm 6.juan said …

    Its actually funny reading this site. Sounds like you guys follow Anton La Vey? I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch. I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs, bad luck must be a common thing….I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth

  7. on 07 Jan 2013 at 6:52 pm 7.alex said …

    juan, why cry when someone you know is going to heaven? because its
    bullshit.

  8. on 07 Jan 2013 at 8:39 pm 8.Lou (DFW) said …

    6.juan said …

    “Its actually funny reading this site.”

    It’s actually funny reading your comment.

    “I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch.”

    There’s no free will in choosing who you love or don’t love.

    “I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs…”

    Who cares what you “suspect?” We only care what you can demonstrate.

    “…bad luck must be a common thing….I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth.”

    Yes, it’s bad luck to be so deluded as to believe in an imaginary god who answers prayers to do something that he should do on his own.

  9. on 07 Jan 2013 at 8:52 pm 9.DPK said …

    6.juan said …

    Its actually funny reading this site. Sounds like you guys follow Anton La Vey?

    Who? I don’t “follow” anyone, especially someone I never heard of. Why does it “sound like” that?

    I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch.

    I thought god was all powerful? The other theists here say god intentionally causes all kinds of pain and suffering in order to test us and teach us things. How can god do that without interfering in free will, Juan? For example, one person said sometimes god causes people to have lousy fathers, or to be abused as youngsters so they will learn to be strong and overcome problems. So where does “free will” come into the picture for those chosen by god to be the lousy fathers and abusers?

    “I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs, bad luck must be a common thing….”

    Well, you can add that to the long list of things you think you know, but about which you are completely wrong. My life is great, thank you. I know, that pisses you off, doesn’t it? You can’t stand the idea of someone being happy without sharing your mindless delusion. Oh well… as they say, tough shit Sherlock,

    “I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth.”

    You do that, and well see how that works out, ok?
    Goodbye.

  10. on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 10.The messenger said …

    7.alex, you poor, stupid fool.

    I feel sorry for you.

    When will you realize the truth.

  11. on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 11.The messenger said …

    on 06 Jan 2013 at 6:11 pm 4.The messenger said …
    on 05 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 134.The messenger said …
    124.alex,just out of curiosity, why do you cuss so much?
    Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else. In fact it actually makes you look weak. You lack the will to stop cussing.
    I pray that you change.

  12. on 08 Jan 2013 at 11:04 am 12.Zeno said …

    the messenger…

    you are insane…
    im an athiest and i never EVER swear, but nor do i care of others swearing, get a life and stop pushing people.

    From Xcanthean Zeno

  13. on 08 Jan 2013 at 4:26 pm 13.fol de rol said …

    I’m with brianE, it should be illegal to expose any child to organised religion until they are adults. then let them examine the evidence and make up thier own minds… i bet there would be very much fewer beleivers then when an informed decision can be made rather than indoctrination

  14. on 09 Jan 2013 at 1:30 am 14.s0l0m0n said …

    skobru,

    Why don’t you also ask where is God when he supplies abundance of food and drinks right from the 1st human “Adam” right to the present day “You” yourself, including the animals, insects,plants etc..Why don’t you ask?

    Why don’t you ask where is God when humans have enjoyed wealth,peace & stability?
    Why don’t you ask the joy of having loved ones & fu***ng?

    Why? Why? Why?

    You keep fussing regarding 6 million jews and others being killed by Hitler,Stalin,Mao & Pol Pot. What % of humans killed through the atrocities compared with the uncountable lives sustained by God?

    ((((Negligible))))

    That’s the word.
    After all Death is a must. The only thing it is done in different ways.

  15. on 09 Jan 2013 at 3:45 am 15.Lou(DFW) said …

    14.s0l0m0n said …

    “Why don’t you also ask where is God when he supplies abundance of food…”

    Why? Because he doesn’t supply ANY of it, much less an abundance of it.

    Why don’t you ask where is the Tooth Fairy when she leaves money under your pillow in exchange for a tooth?

    “What % of humans killed through the atrocities compared with the uncountable lives sustained by God?”

    You can’t give an imaginary god credit for sustaining lives if you don’t blame it for NOT sustaining them.

    Some of you theists are incredibly stupid.

  16. on 09 Jan 2013 at 4:50 am 16.Lesbian Carwasher said …

    /\ this, totaly this

  17. on 09 Jan 2013 at 5:02 am 17.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Proof that prayer does not work is evident when idiots like messenger and no-juan pray for saps like myself to “find god” and “find the truth.”

    Those prayers will NEVER be answered.

    And messenger, please stop posting comments at this website. Seriously.

  18. on 09 Jan 2013 at 5:33 am 18.DPK said …

    “on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 10.The messenger said …
    7.alex, you poor, stupid fool.
    I feel sorry for you.”

    Jesus said.
    “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[a] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[b] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[c] of fire.”

    Messenger, you seem to constantly defy church doctrine and you directly disobey Jesus. It does not look good for you my friend. If I were you, I’d be secretly hoping there was no god, because you seem to be destined for hell….

  19. on 09 Jan 2013 at 1:27 pm 19.Lou(DFW) said …

    11.The messenger said …

    “Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else.

    Nor does your constant, error-filled prosthelytizing.

    “I pray that you change.”

    You should be praying for YOU to change.

  20. on 10 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 20.Burebista said …

    I agree even more with BrianE. BrianE you should consider not teaching your children any morals, language or even accept them into your family. You should let them grow up and decide for themselves. If BrianE does these things he should be jailed. Be fair to the kids.

  21. on 10 Jan 2013 at 2:57 am 21.Lou(DFW) said …

    20.Burp the Babeler said …

    “I agree even more with BrianE. BrianE you should consider not teaching your children any morals, language or even accept them into your family.”

    Except for the fact that he didn’t write that, so you can’t agree with him about it.

    Lying and word games – are you equally adept at that in the other two languages?

  22. on 10 Jan 2013 at 8:32 pm 22.Todd Reeder. said …

    People have said that people are starving in the world because christians are not doing there job to feed them. And say they are suffering because christians are not doing there job. I saw a preview of the doccumentary the insanity of God. There were 150 believers in samolia and now only 4 because 146 were killed for being christians. He left samolia and went to places where christians are being persecuted and abused but still alive. e said they made mistakes that caused the deaths of believers prematurely. So he says he is to blame. So he turns his back on people and goes were it is easier for people. Christians say God allows people to be affected by evil for many reasons as listed in above comments. And because of the sins of others. Christians say Jesus was God. Well God could have destroyed all evil so the people he allegedly loves would not suffer. But he didn’t. They say God did not stop Sandyhook shooting because God was mad because he is not allowed in schools. There are true stories of parents locking there children in dark rooms like solitary confinment in prision for years. No human contact or communication. They sit in a dark room for years with nothing to do but play with there own poop. No one to talk to. And God allows it to make them stronger I suppose. Allows it to teach them something. The same for children and adults who are severely abused. Well I don’t believe anymore. I have asked God to deliver me from stuff and help me many times for many years. Have read the bible and studied it. Prayed, went to church, and listened to christian music to change me. And things are still the same. Christians say maybe I have unconfessed sin. Or things I don’t want to surrender. Maybe I don’t have enough faith. Maybe God is making me stronger and better. And many times they say we can’t always understand why God allows things or doesn’t answer prayer. They have many reasons why things don’t happen for people. Well I don’t believe anymore. I am putting my real name because I don’t care anymore.

  23. on 11 Jan 2013 at 1:32 am 23.s0l0m0n said …

    In designing a car It needs a hell of a team to think of its shape, engine etc…etc..

    What about designing a mosquito with brains and with life…..Does it doesn’t require nothing to initiate it?

  24. on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:41 am 24.The messenger said …

    18.DPK, I shouldn’t have said that insult. I pray that Jesus forgives me.

  25. on 11 Jan 2013 at 3:57 am 25.MrQ said …

    Sol,

    What is needed to create a star from dust? Is it Natural or does it require the (((Supernatural)))?

  26. on 11 Jan 2013 at 4:11 am 26.Todd Reeder said …

    Not teaching kids morals? So you mean you should not teach them it is wrong to steal from people, disrespect, abuse and kill people? I agree it is wrong to teach religion to kids because they are mature enough to fully rationalize things. Just look at the westboro baptist church. They have kids holding signs and saying and believing things. I think that is child abuse. The brain wash the kids. Many leave when they are old enough to relize.

  27. on 11 Jan 2013 at 5:18 am 27.Todd Reeder said …

    Christianity a form of insanity? I was thinking and it seems christianity could be classified as a form of insanity. They say God allows people to suffer and all because he has good reasons. I think believing that allowing people to suffer and allowing evil for good reasons would be considered insane. If a parent allowed there children to suffer and be affected by evil and said they allowed it because of the reasons christians give for God allowing it they would be called insane.

  28. on 11 Jan 2013 at 6:23 am 28.Anonymous said …

    One of the most amazing things about being a Christian is not their unbelievable stupidity in believing that a magic man in the sky might be watching them take a dump, but that they are capable of making up the most ridiculous rationalizations for why their god does absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.

    For example:

    Starving children in Africa? Their god wants people to sort that out.

    Wars? His believers should sort that out.

    Kids being shot? His feelings were hurt, so he let them die. Poor baby.

    No miracles? His believers didn’t have enough faith.

    40,000+ different denominations of Christianity and no clear direction? It’s not his fault, it’s the fault of the imperfect humans (who he created as imperfect, according to them).

    Doesn’t answer prayers as advertised? Not answering was part of his plan.

    Lets people suffer from horrible diseases? He’s teaching them a lesson.

    Doesn’t cure horrible diseases? He wants the people to learn how to do that.

    Lets people die of horrible diseases? He wanted them by his side.

    Never heals amputees? Well he could. If he wanted. As long as you don’t ask him. And are not watching. Or testing him. Or recording him.

  29. on 11 Jan 2013 at 1:33 pm 29.Xenon said …

    Todd said:

    “They have many reasons why things don’t happen for people. Well I don’t believe anymore. I am putting my real name because I don’t care anymore.”

    Then he says:

    “Not teaching kids morals? So you mean you should not teach them it is wrong to steal from people, disrespect, abuse and kill people?”

    You don’t care and suddenly you do? Which morals should be taught Todd? Yours? Muslims? Pagans? We have atheists here that say stealing and lying is OK at times. When do we tell the children they can lie and steal Todd?

    See what your ilk wants is to control the masses. Teach the kids the morals “I” give you but if you teach them about God “I” will imprison you. Using extremist as your example is quite lame since every group has their nuts. Your ilk is a more dangerous sort.

    It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity. You might have recalled the words of Christ:

    ” If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.”

    Jesus and every disciple was murdered for their belief and Christians have been murdered regularly for the last 2000 years. You suddenly just realized that?

  30. on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:22 pm 30.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.Xenonsense said …

    “See what your ilk wants is to control the masses. Teach the kids the morals “I” give you but if you teach them about God “I” will imprison you.”

    Who are his “ilk?”

    Show us evidence that they want to “control the masses” (similarly to the way the Catholic church and other xtians attempt today).

  31. on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:31 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.Xenonsense said …

    “It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity.”

    I can’t speak for Todd, but I understand xtianity just as I understand all the other false religions of the world. Or, Xenonsense, is xtianity the only true religion?

    “Jesus and every disciple was murdered for their belief and Christians have been murdered regularly for the last 2000 years.”

    But no xtians ever murdered anybody in the name of their delusion, have they?

  32. on 11 Jan 2013 at 5:40 pm 32.Lou(DFW) said …

    30.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Show us evidence that they want to “control the masses” (similarly to the way the Catholic church and other xtians attempt today).”

    ‘Pope Benedict on Friday signaled the Vatican was ready to forge alliances with other religions against gay marriage, saying the family was threatened “to its foundations” by attempts to change its “true structure”.’

    “In some countries, the Catholic Church has already joined forces with Jews, Muslims and members of other religions to oppose the legalization of gay marriage, in some cases presenting arguments based on legal, social and anthropological analyses rather than religious teachings.”

  33. on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:03 pm 33.Todd Reeder said …

    In response to “It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity.” Catholics have killed people who refused to recant there beliefs and become catholic. Those who were not catholic were tortured and many killed if they where protestant, jewish, or muslim if they refused to reject there beliefs and become catholics. Over 150,000 people were killed. During the crusades people who claimed to be christians killed jews and muslims because they thought it was there christian duty. The catholics burned people at the stake for writting ot printing noncatholic bibles. They burned people at the stake for being heritics.

  34. on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:12 pm 34.Todd Reeder said …

    When I said I don’t care anymore what i mean is I don’t care anymore if people know I don’t believe anymore. And who said morals belong to any religion? I am saying kids need to know to respect life and other people. If we had no morals it would be ok for a kid or anyone to kill someone just because they felt like it. If we had no morals it would be ok for a kid or anyone to steal something just because they did not want to pay for it. It would be ok for a someone to cheat on the person they love. What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to. If you think morals are wrong don’t call the police if someone assults you or steals from you.

  35. on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:25 pm 35.DPK said …

    No one here claimed kids should not be taught morals. That was the Xenon/Burbista sock puppet being dramatic and attempting to misrepresent what someone actually said, which was that children should not be indoctrinated into a religion.
    The claim here by the theists, and also implication, is that without religion, there can be no morality. That is laughable and demonstrably false.
    Their claim is that morality and ethics is not a human construct, but was handed down by a supernatural being and is absolute. Of course, they cannot point us to where this absolute moral code is or what it says. That is because no matter what it says, there is nothing that is absolute. Morality always involves circumstance, and resolving morality with circumstance requires judgement. They also cannot demonstrate that this supposed absolute code of morality was in fact handed to us by a supernatural being, which of the multitudes of alleged supernatural beings actually did the giving, or that any such being in fact exists. So, we are left with claim after baseless claim, after claim, with absolutely NOTHING to support it, other than the (also baseless) claim that you cannot have morality without a god.

  36. on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:34 pm 36.Lou(DFW) said …

    35.DPK said …

    “No one here claimed kids should not be taught morals. That was the Xenon/Burbista sock puppet being dramatic and attempting to misrepresent what someone actually said, which was that children should not be indoctrinated into a religion.”

    It’s part of his game to intentionally misrepresent what someone writes, and then make them prove it, all the while ignoring rebuttals of his ACTUAL, not distorted claims. He’s a fraud in the truest sense of the word.

  37. on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 37.Xenon said …

    Todd:

    “What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to.”

    You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?

  38. on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 38.Xenon said …

    Todd:

    “The catholics burned people at the stake for writting ot printing noncatholic bibles. They burned people at the stake for being heritics.”

    What does that have to do with anything I posted about Christ, His teachings and the fact Christians would suffer? What does your post have to do with the fact that you don’t understand why Christians suffer and why there is evil in the world?

  39. on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:56 pm 39.DPK said …

    I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd?

    How about when an armed gunman breaks into your house and announces he is there to kill your daughter, (who is hiding in the garage). Now when he asks, “where is she?” According to your absolute moral code that says it is wrong to lie, you risk hell by saying, “she’s not here.” Correct?
    You are such an imbecile.

  40. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:19 am 40.alex said …

    “How about when an armed gunman breaks into your house and announces he is there to kill your daughter, (who is hiding in the garage). Now when he asks, “where is she?”

    a true xtian would. they would refuse medical treatment even with the threat of prosecution. they wouldn’t buy insurance or take precautions. the would live with their convictions unlike the fake xtians that patrol this blog.

    but would they stone people as directed? nah, they know they’ll be busted. the stoning stuff is not literal. anything else the idiots don’t do is not literal.

  41. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:21 am 41.Lou(DFW) said …

    37.Xenonsense said …

    “You bounced around my entire post.”

    Yes, Todd, you obviously don’t understand the sock-puppet theist protocol. They demand that you answer their questions while never, ever answering yours. In other words, you aren’t allowed to “bounce” around their comments, but that’s all they ever do in reply to yours.

  42. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:35 am 42.Tracker said …

    “According to your absolute moral code that says it is wrong to lie, you risk hell by saying, “she’s not here.” Correct?”

    I would pull my .45 and say here she is! If for some reason I didn’t have my .45 on me I would respond with “get bent”.

  43. on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:45 am 43.Todd said …

    39.DPK I think you are confused. I never said it was ok to lie and cheat. I think it is wrong to lie and cheat.

  44. on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 44.Todd said …

    Xenon Lou said in a post “But no xtians ever murdered anybody in the name of their delusion, have they?” And I gave examples of xians killing people in the name of religion.

  45. on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:55 am 45.alex said …

    “I think it is wrong to lie and cheat.”

    seriously? under any circumstances?

  46. on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:03 am 46.Todd said …

    xenon you claim I said “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?” repost or tell me what post number I said that. I can’t find anywhere I said that. I think parents of children from westboro baptist church should be arrested for teaching kids to hate and make them carry signs with words of hate on them.

  47. on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:06 am 47.Todd said …

    Thanks DPK.

  48. on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:11 am 48.DPK said …

    43 Todd… I know man, I’m on your side. The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie. I know you never said it was “ok to lie and cheat.” But wouldn’t you agree that every situation requires judgement, and a blanket statement like, “it is always wrong to lie.” Is kind of silly. I mean, when the SS storm troopers came looking for the Jews, I guess we were morally required not to lie to them?
    Xenon, you sound curiously stupid, just like Burbesta.

  49. on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:09 am 49.Xenon said …

    Todd, my apology you didn’t say Christians should be jailed, other atheists here have stated we should be jailed. BrianE and even others have posted such hate speech. Do you agree?

    I didn’t say YOU claim lying and cheating is OK, others here and on this thread are making the argument. When is it OK to lie and cheat? Is it ever OK under any circumstances OK to lie and cheat?

    You see two of your fellow atheist who are challenging you on the lying and cheating already…..they think it IS OK.

    Bottom line, on what standard does an atheist teach morality? How could you tell someone who thinks lying and cheating is OK that they should not teach that to their children?

    Lastly, if a child should chose his religion when he is older, why not the same with their morality?

  50. on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:14 am 50.Xenon said …

    “The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around.”

    Really? I posted a lie?

    I bet you will not back that statement up DPK. This is one of your times it is OK to lie. You and alex have proved my point well. Thanks to you both.

  51. on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:28 am 51.DPK said …

    on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 37.Xenon said …
    Todd:….
    “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”

    He never said any such thing. Ergo, you lied and therefore you are a liar.
    No apology necessary, no one is surprised by any lies you tell. In fact, lies from you are expected as the norm. And you are the one claiming an absolute moral code that forbids lying! That’s rich.

  52. on 12 Jan 2013 at 7:10 am 52.Severin said …

    49 Xenon
    “Bottom line, on what standard does an atheist teach morality?”

    We manage it somehow.
    Now, on what standard do yoy teach (taught) morlity, your children?
    For the 1000th time: WHERE can we see and read the list of moral rules YOU are following in YOUR life?

    I would like to read those rules, and maybe also to accept them, but for more than 5 years no theist ever answered this question.

    What can I think after your 5 ears of hiding your moral code from us but:
    a) You have a list of moral rules, but you hide it from us, because you are selfish and don’t like anyone else but Christians to see it (which is nott much Christian”)
    b) There is no such a moral code, and you are lying

    Is this “famous” list going secretly from one Christian hand to another?

  53. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:32 pm 53.Lou(DFW) said …

    50.Xenonsense said …

    “Really? I posted a lie?”

    LOL! First, your comments are full of lies. Second, sock-puppeting is a form of decption and deciet.

    “I bet you will not back that statement up DPK.”

    Not that it’s difficult, but after your challenge he PROVED that you are a liar. It’s not the first time.

    What did you bet? How about a promise never to appear here again, at least as Xenonsense?

  54. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:39 pm 54.Lou(DFW) said …

    Xenonsense, it was YOU, posting as Burp who FIRST wrote about anyone being jailed:

    20.Burebista said …

    “If BrianE does these things he should be jailed.”

    Then you lied when you wrote:

    37.Xenon said …

    “Todd: You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”

    You lied here:

    49.Xenon said …

    “Other atheists here have stated we should be jailed.”

    Xenonsense/Burp, you a pathetic excuse for a human being.

  55. on 12 Jan 2013 at 1:55 pm 55.Xenon said …

    DPK

    Not so fast. Here is your quote:

    “The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie.”

    I now repost # 37:

    “You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”

    Now show us the lie DPK. Accusation after accusation and always unsubstantiated.

  56. on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:42 pm 56.DPK said …

    You are an idiot.
    You said, “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals .”
    That is not true. He never claimed that. Saying things that are not true is lying. Don’t you understand the definition of the word?
    Now, show us where he said that, or admit that you lied. Or, in your sock puppet frenzy, did you forget which one of your persona’s wrote it. Here’s a hint… You quoted it right in your own reply. How fucking stupid are you?

  57. on 12 Jan 2013 at 5:56 pm 57.DPK said …

    Now Xenon will disappear for a while, and the AssTrophysicist will show up and try to change the subject.

    Xenon… In case you were wondering, here is the MORAL thing to do right now:

    1. Admit that you lied and apologize for it.
    2. Go away because your credibility, not that you really ever had any, is destroyed.

  58. on 12 Jan 2013 at 7:23 pm 58.Xenon said …

    Ah Ah AH DPK.

    I apologized in #49 for my mistake on this quote:

    “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals .”

    Since you cannot read I don’t expect you could comprehend my apology. Adults do apologize when an error is made.

    BrianE is the actual hatemonger who wants to see us jailed. Irrelevant, since an atheist wants to jail Christians. But…..

    Back to your lie:

    “The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie.”

    Lets see it DPK. Stop being a coward and produce the lie in #37. You won’t because you can’t because you are a liar. You would like me to go away so you can slip out of your lie.

  59. on 12 Jan 2013 at 9:26 pm 59.DPK said …

    How many more times to I have to post it, asshole?

    “37.Xenon said …

    Todd:

    “What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to.”

    You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? LIE>>>>You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?<<<LIE”

    How many more times are you going to deny and say I haven’t shown the lie in #37 that I outed you for?

    You are the definition of hypocrisy. You don’t admit the truth when it is right in front of you in black and white. Now, where is your absolute moral code, and where is your evidence that some magical god invented it and gave it to us?

  60. on 12 Jan 2013 at 10:07 pm 60.Todd said …

    I heard so called xians on tv giving there answer to getting needs met from God. They said support the profit of God and God will supply all your needs and you will never not have. In other words they are saying send use money and God will give you everything you need and more. One of them says when he goes places people want to buy him exspensive suits. People give him exspensive cars. Peopel give him checks for thousands of dollars. He gave some preacher a thousand dollars and someone weeks later gave him 5 thousand dollars. People claim on the 700 club that they financial problems and began giving a specific amount each month to the 700 club and they started seeing miracles. They started getting jobs when they had non. Medical problems were healed. They started getting more money in there life when not expected. So they claim if you have a need give money to a preacher on tv and God will supply all your needs and give you back more than you give. And if someone does that and ends up worse off they will say maybe you had sin in your life. Maybe you did not have enough faith. Maybe you did not surrender some secret sin. Maybe you have to keep being faitful and not give up. Sometimes it takes longer for a harvest. And sometimes you have a crop failure and need to start over. They would give a list of reasons. When I got my inheritance from my parents death I gave seveal thousand dollars to the church I attend because they needed it and I believed we were suppose to give 10 percent of what we recieve. And that God will always supply our needs and bless us. Well now I need those thousands of dollars. What a fool I was.

  61. on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 61.Xenon said …

    DPK

    Oh, now I see. The statement I apologized for as a mistake is a lie.

    I thought you had nothing and you do not.

    Goodbye DPK

    Todd,

    You ignored what I asked about atheist morality. I do understand, it is all relative and there is no ultimate standard that everyone should follow. It is all opinion and everyone’s opinion is ultimately equal. That is why atheist regard lying and cheating as OK in the right situations. Who knows when that might be. Count the silverware if one leaves your house.

    I do have a suggestion. Stop listening to opinions and listen to God. God never promised a life without challenges and obstacles. Everything you state is what people say, read the Bible for yourself.

    God states He meets our needs, but are you sure your needs are not really wants? I certainly do not know, I only ask the question. Food, water and shelter seem to be the only real needs for a human beings. All else is just extras.

  62. on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 62.Severin said …

    59 DPK
    “Now, where is your absolute moral code, …”

    Where, indeed?
    It is something Xenon will never tell us.
    Anyway, I can’t follow a moral code that I can’t see, because selfish Christians keep it for themselves only, and never show it to anyone else. So, if I do something against THAT moral code, it will not be my fault.

    Fuck selfish Chrstians!
    I will manage, somehow, with my own moral code, which made me proud with my life, as I did before.

  63. on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:35 pm 63.Lou (DFW) said …

    58.Xenon said …

    “Lets see it DPK. Stop being a coward and produce the lie in #37. You won’t because you can’t because you are a liar. You would like me to go away so you can slip out of your lie.”

    How many times must we quote the lie that you wrote?

    Xenonense/Burp, now you’re lying about lying – pathetic.

  64. on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:57 pm 64.DPK said …

    The truth according to xenon: when an atheist says that a demonstrably false statement made by a theist in an effort to convince others of their delusion is a lying, THAT is a lie. But the falsehood propagated by the theist is a “mistake.”
    Is that it, Xenon? Is that how your deluded mind works. What a pathetic creature you are. I’m sure you will understand that it is gods will not only that you were caught in a lie, but that you are now shown to be the despicable, dishonest fraud that you are.
    Count the silverware indeed!

  65. on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:26 am 65.Tom said …

    Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code? It starts out with loving God with all your being. If you can’t handle that one, none of the rest will work.

    How many atheists are in the world? Multiply that number by (1) and that is the number of moral codes atheists use.

  66. on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:57 am 66.Anonymous said …

    And right on cue another recycled sock-puppet emerges in an attempt to fend off “Xenon”‘s disgrace.

    Note that no-matter what persona he posts under, just like the mythical god, Hor’s Christian moral code is nowhere to be seen. Unless, of course, lying, cheating, and being dishonest as demonstrated here, is the Christian moral code. Quite likely based on the examples the theists set here.

    Hor, you really are a pathetic loser.

  67. on 13 Jan 2013 at 8:26 am 67.Severin said …

    65 Tom
    “Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code?”

    Because you theists endlessly talk that we don’t have any.
    As a responsible human being, I want to see what am I doing wrong in my life, and want to make my life, and lives of people I liwe with, better.

    I have no better idea about any moral code but considering it a list of rules that I have to obey and to follow, to have a fully moral life.
    How can I know what I am doing wrong, if I don’t see that list, and how it differs from the list I have in my mind.
    “What am I doing wrong?” is the question that eats me!
    And you Christians don’t want to help me! You talk all the time about Christianity (god, Bible) being the source of morality, you criticize atheists for not living with that moral code, but you never ever tell us where to find it.
    Not nice!

    Where can I find Christian moral code, please?

  68. on 13 Jan 2013 at 8:47 am 68.Severin said …

    65 Tom
    “It starts out with loving God with all your being.”

    Well, thanks, I got at least something:
    The very first rule of Christian moral code is: First you love me (god), then you will get the rest of the list.

    Well, in MY moral code, blackmailing is something standing under “bad”, “wrong”, “not nice”, “rotten”, “not allowed”, “forbidden”, …
    If I got a list of rules which started with “You must first love me, than I will give you something” (in this case list of moral rules), I would feel very bad, because the list starts with something I would never do if I follow MY moral code, that is blackmailing.

    But, let’s say I still have wrong idea about what morality really is.
    Maybe blackmailing is OK in that famous, invisible list of moral rules you endlessly mention in your posts.
    As a open minded man, ready to change my life, I WANT to see the rest of that list.

    Where can I find it?

  69. on 13 Jan 2013 at 11:01 am 69.Lou (DFW) said …

    61.Xenonsense said …

    “You ignored what I asked about atheist morality.”

    LOL! You ignore our request to post your alleged god-given moral code. But, if you can’t do that, then please post the alleged “atheist morality.”

  70. on 13 Jan 2013 at 12:42 pm 70.DPK said …

    on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:26 am 65.Tom said …
    Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code? It starts out with loving God with all your being.

    So, is your claim that unless you “love” god, whatever that means, you cannot be moral? Iis that it, Tom? What about people who love some other god than yours? Can they not be moral too? Please explain how this works so we can understand.

  71. on 13 Jan 2013 at 1:29 pm 71.MrQ said …

    Tom

    How many atheists are in the world? Multiply that number by (1) and that is the number of moral codes atheists use.

    Is it at all possible that the “number of moral codes” that people have is that number multiplied by the number one ? Or does your own personal “moral code” align with other fine christian people such as Hinn, Falwell, Hitler, Phelps Baptists, etc ?

  72. on 13 Jan 2013 at 1:43 pm 72.Lou (DFW) said …

    65.Tom said …

    “Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code?”

    To prove that there’s some honest xtians.

    Otherwise, what difference does it make to you? What if there’s a chance that if I see it that it convinces me to convert to xtianity? Isn’t that what areal xtian would do?

    “It starts out with loving God with all your being.”

    Really? Show us. Unless you can, then it’s safe to assume that you are another lying theist.

    “How many atheists are in the world? Multiply that number by (1) and that is the number of moral codes atheists use.”

    How many xtians are there in the world? Multiply that number by one and the result is the number of lying xtians.

  73. on 13 Jan 2013 at 4:11 pm 73.Todd said …

    In response to a xian moral code. Some commands Jesus gave were to love your neighbor the same way you love yourself. He tells a story that explains everyone is your neighbor so love everyone the same way you love yourself. And treat others the way you want to be treated. And if you see someone in need help them. So they could be considered part of a moral code. So if you love your neighbor you would not lie to them. You would not steal from them. You would not attack them or kill them. Xians say we are suppose to keep the ten commandments. One of the commandments say not to kill people. Some xians say that means it is wrong to kill someone for any reason. So to them it is wrong to execute people. It would be wrong to kill people in a war or people who try to hurt or kill you. Some xians say it means it is wrong to kill someone who is not guilty of murder. How many innocent people were killed in Japan when the americans dropped two atomic bombs? How many innocent people were killed by americans in other countries? I think america should be executing more people who kill people.

  74. on 13 Jan 2013 at 10:05 pm 74.Severin said …

    Xenon, Tom,

    Where can I find Christian moral code?

  75. on 14 Jan 2013 at 12:21 am 75.Anonymous said …

    Tom said: “It starts out with loving God with all your being. If you can’t handle that one, none of the rest will work”

    But what does that mean? How do you love a storybook character with all your being?

    Ia it physical, your explanation was remarkably kinesthetic after all. Do you get a hard-on when you think of Jesus, Tom? It’s OK, you can tell us, we merely want to learn about your moral code. Unlike fundamental Christians, we won’t judge you based on your fetishes.

    Is that why so many priests are pedophiles in that when they butt-fuck those little boys they are literally showing them how to love with all their being? That seems extreme, but you Xtians do ask us to be open-minded about your beliefs and practices after all.

    Please explain Xenon and Tom. Theists reference the existence of this love and this moral code but they’ve yet to provide the detail.

    It’s not something you make up to sound self-important is it? No, no true Christian would do that. Would they?

  76. on 14 Jan 2013 at 12:52 am 76.s0l0m0n said …

    MrQ said …

    “What is needed to create a star from dust? Is it Natural or does it require the (((Supernatural)))?”

    It’s purely simple.It requires God to initiate.Nature is just a word. It can do nothing.

  77. on 14 Jan 2013 at 2:34 pm 77.MrQ said …

    Sol,
    See “pillars of creation”. Google it!!
    Where is god ? Do you see jesus there? Prophet Mo ? Mighty allah? Virgins? No. Just nature being naturally beautiful ;-) .

  78. on 14 Jan 2013 at 3:07 pm 78.DPK said …

    “One of the commandments say not to kill people. Some xians say that means it is wrong to kill someone for any reason. So to them it is wrong to execute people. It would be wrong to kill people in a war or people who try to hurt or kill you. Some xians say it means it is wrong to kill someone who is not guilty of murder. How many innocent people were killed in Japan when the americans dropped two atomic bombs? How many innocent people were killed by americans in other countries? I think america should be executing more people who kill people.”

    So it is wrong to kill someone to prevent them killing or hurting others? How many lives were saved that definitely would have been lost in an invasion of Japan that those bombs prevented? What you seem to be saying Tom, is that your “absolute” moral code is not “absolute” at all, and requires judgment and consideration, and even at that, there are times when highly moral people can disagree. Hmmmm… Doesn’t sound like anything handed down with authority from an omniscient supreme being now, does it?

  79. on 14 Jan 2013 at 3:52 pm 79.Lou(DFW) said …

    73.Todd said …

    “Some commands Jesus gave were to love your neighbor the same way you love yourself. He tells a story that explains everyone is your neighbor so love everyone the same way you love yourself.”

    Why doesn’t your imaginary god simply tell us his absolute moral code rather than explain it as a “story?”

    As DPK wrote:

    “absolute” moral code is not “absolute” at all

  80. on 14 Jan 2013 at 7:45 pm 80.Todd said …

    I don’t believe in the God of the bible anymore. In the old testament the God of the bible told people to kill men, women, children, and babies. He told people to kill them because they did not want to worship him. And the God of the bible knew they would never worship them. I asked someone why God would tell people to kill them when it would be better for them to live before being punished forever by this God. The answer I got was it was better for them that they die then live with evil for years. And many xians teach that no one can be Saved or born again unless God causes them to believe. No one can believe without God causing it. So if someone dies unbelieving and suffers eternal damnation according to xians it is not God’s fault. It is the fault of Adam of Eve because they disobeyed God. And because they disobeyed everyone since then is born and enemy of God and hating God unless he causes them to change. And God can do this because he is God. According to the bible God told a man named Abraham to kill his only son and burn him on an alter. So God told someone to murder his son. God told someone to break one of his own laws. Xians say God was not telling him to murder his son because God knew he would provide a substitute. The God of the bible told people to stone or put to death people who broke certain laws. Xians say that God does not change. I asked people if God said people were to be put to death for breaking certain laws why don’t we do that now? They said since Jesus came we are living in a time of grace. Since we have grace we are suppose to let people live. It sounds to me that the God of the bible changed. He says people are be to be put to death, Ten we are told he is not that way anymore. But xians say God never changes. God killed people in sodom and gemorah because of a lack of hospitality is what the bible says. So God killed hundreds or thousands of people for a lack of hospitality? And God killed everyone on earth except noah’s family because they were evil and would not change. According to xians like I mentioned before people cannot change unless God causes them to change. So all those people died and suffer eternal punishment because God made them that way. I asked xians why we need a preacher or why precher’s need to go to school to learn what the bible means. I asked if someone gets a bible and reads it why do they need someone to teach them what it means? They said “just as in regualr school we need to know hemeneutics and apply what are metaphors symbols and distinguish what is lieteral. Gods has given the church teachers… There are principles one needs to be taught to understand the hard scriptures, while there are scriptures that are simple, and mean exactly what they say – and should be apparent.” Like Jesus sayd if your eye causes you to sin gouge it out. People say that is a figure of speech and not literal. So an uneducated person needs to be taught it is not literal. And someone can’t understand unless God gives them the ability to understand it. So if someone gets a bible some how and there is no one who was taught to understand what the bible means to teach them what it means they cannot understand what it means. I said to them for over a thousand years people lived where there were only catholic churches. And the bible was in latin and only educated people understood latin and the only way people knew what the bible ment was to be taught by the catholic church. So if people were taught false things how would they know if they were true or not? And they would be punished by God because they believed false teaching because they had no way to prove it was true or not because they could not read latin and were never taught in a bible school. There reply was that makes no sense. They say that because they did not have an answer as to why things would be that way. Sorry for being so long but these are some of the reasons I don’t beleive things in the bible anymore.

  81. on 15 Jan 2013 at 12:58 am 81.s0l0m0n said …

    MrQ,

    You’re running away from the car manuf. analogy post (11 Jan 2013 at 1:32 am)

    Nothing could exists on its own except God.
    This ‘nature’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))

  82. on 15 Jan 2013 at 1:22 pm 82.Anonymous said …

    Sol,
    She was such a beautiful virgin, and then you woke up and “it” was in your hand. Keep dreaming.

  83. on 15 Jan 2013 at 2:02 pm 83.Lou(DFW) said …

    81.s0l0m0n said …

    “You’re running away from the car manuf. analogy post”

    Nobody “ran away” from it. It’s an inaccurate analogy of a type that’s been debunked over and over.

    “Nothing could exists on its own except God.”

    Prove it. And please explain how if everything complex requires a creator, then what created your imaginary god. Don’t runaway.

    “This ‘nature’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))”

    This ‘god’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))

  84. on 15 Jan 2013 at 3:56 pm 84.phil said …

    Fundamental to theist thinking seems to be that nothing can be created without a creator and that the creator must be more complex than the created; complexity cannot arise from simplicity- could the opposite not also be argued? life develops from sperm, egg, seed to more complex systems. If there is a creator, it could be a relatively simple posssibly quantum particle/field with no intent or awareness; this could explain the the creator certainly doesn’t seem to have much interest in its creation.

  85. on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:16 pm 85.Anonymous said …

    Or you can dispense with all the woo and mystical desperation and simply accept that there is no creator.

  86. on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:18 pm 86.phil said …

    indeed, that could very well be the answer

  87. on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:48 pm 87.Todd said …

    I have heard someone say we can’t have something that creator doesn’t have. He says we can’t have personsonality without having a personal god. SOmeone said then we can’t have evil with out evil being in God. His response to that is that people have something God doesn’t have. Sin. So they are saying we can’t have something unless it is in God. But then they say we can have sin without it being in God. They have a double standard. They say there is a law in effect that we can’t have something unless God has it. But then they say there is an exception. Xian’s say God is the source of everything and nothing can be unless it came from God. So where did sin and evil come from? When I was young i asked a preacher who created God. He said no one created God. Big bang theory people say that subatomic particles or atoms or whatever exploded one day and created a big bang. And that was the start of evolution. I would like to ask one of these experts where did they subatomic particles or atoms come from? Who or what created them? The would likely accuse me of being a trouble maker to avoid there looking bad. Or would say no one created they they always were.

  88. on 15 Jan 2013 at 6:28 pm 88.Anonymous said …

    Todd, if you want an expert to answer your questions, then you should ask one.

    You do know that being an atheist isn’t a synonym for professional cosmologist or physicist, right? This is such a standard theist trope – “you don’t believe in my god so I’m going to make a fallacious appeal for you to answer every scientific question that anyone could ever ask” and then I’ll continue to complain that I don’t understand the answer. Sigh.

    Go to Wikipedia. You found your way here, you can find Wiki, I’m sure. Type words into the search box – try “Big Bang” or “Evolution”, if that’s what you really want to understand, then ask in the appropriate venue. This isn’t the place for those questions.

    Or, you could try talkorigins.org, or physics.org – it’s not as easy as religion where someone does the thinking for you, but that’s how the big-boy world works.

  89. on 15 Jan 2013 at 6:34 pm 89.Ian said …

    Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily. If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.

  90. on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:23 pm 90.Anonymous said …

    Ian, just for

  91. on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:25 pm 91.Severin said …

    87 Todd
    “Big bang theory people say that subatomic particles or atoms or whatever exploded one day and created a big bang.”

    Theist claim that uncreated and eternal god existed and one day he decided to create the universe. Claiming that, theists confirm the possibility that SOMETHING (they say: god, but they only SAY it, having absolutely no proofs for their claims) CAN exist without having been created.

    Followong theist’s logic, I say: if SOMETHING can exist without having been created, why god? Why not matter/energy, that is not created, but “just exists”, eternally, changing its form according to natural laws which are “built in” it.
    Unlike god, matter/energy is easy to prove it exists, and, as “creation” of it done by a god, AND existence of god himself, are impossible to prove, what else can I say but: matter/energy IS already here,and is uncreated and eternal. WHY would it be neccessary for matter/energy to be created?
    The question WHY involves will and purpose, and I can’t find any purpose of, for example, existence of the star Beta Centaury. Or the purpose of existence of tube worms on the bottom of ocean. So, the question “WHY” is wrong type of question.

    “And that was the start of evolution.”
    Evolution did not start with big bang. Evolution is an expression for survival and development of living world, not of the non-living matter.

    “I would like to ask one of these experts where did they subatomic particles or atoms come from? Who or what created them?”
    I do not say I am an expert, but I certainly have common sense developed enough to compare and to understand things and events.
    Where did god come from?
    If someone says “he was always there”, (but can’t give a single support to this claim, I say: matter/energy was always there.
    How do I know that?
    Well, matter and energy are still here!

    Did anyone ever see a god?

  92. on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:30 pm 92.Severin said …

    Of course, all said in #91 is my personal opinion, for which I can’t give any evidences.
    BUT, matter/energy ARE present, aren’t they?
    Big bang did not explode from nothing, but from a “cluster” of matter/energy which already existed.

    Unlike the isea of god, which can’t be proved, and represents only the PERSONAL OPINION of some people, I have “half a proof”: matter and energy DO exist.

    My opinon fits reality: there is no god to see, touch, measure, explore, anticipate its behavior in accordance to some laws; all that is possible with matter and energy.

  93. on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:38 pm 93.Lou (DFW) said …

    89.Ian said …

    “Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”

    Ian, please review this image:

    http://tinyurl.com/bl7ckft

    It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.

    “If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”

    Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”

    Conversely, if you claim that god exists, then prove it.

  94. on 15 Jan 2013 at 8:03 pm 94.Todd said …

    I am reading a book Why does God allow suffering. They say God wanted people to have free will. We wouldn’t have some good things if we didn’t have free will. And that many of the bad things that happen are because of choices we make. They say “The Bible offers practical advice on virtually all aspects of life. Many of its principles reveal how to avoid—and to some extent relieve—suffering.” So if we obey God’s laws we can relieve and avoid suffering and bad things.” They also say “We cannot live substantially free from suffering until we are reconciled to God and His commandments.” So they are saying if we are reconciled to God and is commandments we can live substantially free from suffering. I guess that is what xians call being born again. They also say we can’t always understand why bad things happen. We just have to trust God and his goodness. I did not read yet as why God allows people to suffer because of the evil of others. I guess evil is a negative aspect of having free will. If we did not have the freedom to choose would we miss it? No.

  95. on 15 Jan 2013 at 8:38 pm 95.Todd said …

    They say in a way what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.This book was written before the sandyhook masacre but they might say a good result of the event is that the community is closer tigher nit then ever before. So even though it was a tragedy it brought people closer together. People met people they may have never met before. Lives were strenghend. I think the families of the victims don’t care about that. They would rather have there loved ones back. People say good things never wouldn’t have happend to me if this had not happend.

  96. on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:42 pm 96.Anonymous said …

    Ian, it seems that you are arguing for the existence of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. RAmen.

    You only have to look around to know that we are all touched by His Noodly Appendages. And as you have yet to prove that He isn’t the Creator, your “logic” dictates that he must be.

    Please get back to us when you have proof to the contrary.

  97. on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:44 pm 97.Lou(DFW) said …

    89.Ian said …

    “Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”

    Ian, please review this image:

    http://tinyurl.com/bl7ckft

    It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.

    “If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”

    Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.” Atheists don’t actually claim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists disbelieve the claim that he does.

    If you claim that god exists, then prove it.

  98. on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:45 pm 98.Lou(DFW) said …

    89.Ian said …

    “Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”

    Ian, please review this image:

    tinyurl.com/bl7ckft

    It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.

    “If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”

    Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”

    Atheists don’t actually claim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists disbelieve the claim that he does.
    If you claim that god exists, then prove it.

  99. on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:51 pm 99.Lou (DFW) said …

    89.Ian said …

    “Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”

    Ian, please look at the patterns in a wind-blown sand dune. They are complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created them. Is wind an intelligent designer?

    “If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”

    Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”

    Atheists don’t simply proclaim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists reject the claim that he does. Atheists don’t have anything to prove. Conversely, if you claim that god exists, then prove it.

    Otherwise, simply shut-up and stop embarrassing yourself.

  100. on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:38 am 100.Burebista said …

    “Big bang did not explode from nothing, but from a “cluster” of matter/energy which already existed.”

    Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?

    Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?

    A singularity?

    Francis Cricks aliens?

    God?

  101. on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:43 am 101.Burebista said …

    Todd,

    Sandy Hook (two words) happened because evil men do evil things. It wasn’t a lack of laws, it wasn’t God and it wasn’t the NRA. It was a sick man who snapped. Criminals do not follow laws and more laws will not solve the problem of evil.

  102. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:23 am 102.Lou (DFW) said …

    Sorry about the multiple posts, I kept receiving an error message when posting that I thought was caused by the link.

  103. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:26 am 103.Lou (DFW) said …

    100.Burp the Babeler said …

    “Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?

    Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?

    A singularity?

    Francis Cricks aliens?

    God?”

    And after hiding for a while, here’s Burp to offer more arguments against off-topic comments when he can’t offer anything to support his delusion about his imaginary god.

  104. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:30 am 104.Lou (DFW) said …

    101.Burp the Babeler said …

    “Criminals do not follow laws and more laws will not solve the problem of evil.”

    Neither will praying nor wailing in churches.

    Burp will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments, but he never will answer direct questions about his claim of god and an alleged god-given absolute moral code. The fraud returns.

  105. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:37 am 105.Anonymous said …

    Come on, Lou. You didn’t really think that the sock drawer could resist demonstrating its profound obsession with public displays of stupidity for much longer, did you?

  106. on 16 Jan 2013 at 7:11 am 106.s0l0m0n said …

    The patterns in a wind-blown sand dune is just a simple demonstration of what God can design.Now think of other complicated example like the sea waves that can move or the crystal patterns formed during crystallization process.
    All these phenomenons are created or designed by God. They are in absolute control.

    Atheists can’t disproof that there’s a particular kind of ‘star’ hidden somewhere in the universe.

    Atheists can’t also disproof that there’s ‘God’.

  107. on 16 Jan 2013 at 9:10 am 107.Severin said …

    100 Burbista
    “Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?”

    1. I said it was my opinion for which I have no proofs, but sound slogically to me, and fits the fact that, at least, matter obviously exists, while no one ever proved the existence of any god.
    2. I will post my proofs for my exposed OPINION as soon as I see your proofs for your OPINION that god exists. I mean, YOU were here BEFORE me to claim something (that god exists, want evidences?).

    Liar!

  108. on 16 Jan 2013 at 9:12 am 108.Severin said …

    100 Burebista
    “Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?”

    Sure it wasn’t?

    Prove!

  109. on 16 Jan 2013 at 12:06 pm 109.Lou(DFW) said …

    107.Severin said …

    “Prove!”

    Sev, haven’t you learned to avoid off-topic arguments with him?

  110. on 16 Jan 2013 at 12:21 pm 110.Burebista said …

    “I said it was my opinion for which I have no proofs, but sound slogically to me”

    Huh?

    So Severin what you want is this, just to be clear:

    You post opinions with no proof while all others post their opinions with proof? Matter and energy exists so it must have always existed and created a man with complex systems is logical? Run that through the scientific method for us Severin.

  111. on 16 Jan 2013 at 1:42 pm 111.Lou(DFW) said …

    109.Burp the Babeler said …

    “You post opinions with no proof while all others post their opinions with proof?”

    LOL! ALL others?

    Liar – when did you ever post any proof for your claim that god exists and that he issued an absolute moral code? Show us, liar.

  112. on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:27 pm 112.Severin said …

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=2473#comment-44660

    #305 Burebista:
    “Of course I know God exists.”

    #110 up here, Burebista:
    “You post opinions with no proof …”

    Burebista, opinions are to be explained, not proved, and I gave explanation for mine. I never said my opinion is the only correct one.

    Now you explain or prove existence of god, because you posted your opinion (“I know god exists”) withot any explanation, not to mention proof.
    It is not nice to do something you are criticizing other people for: exposing your opinion without any explanation.
    We might understand it as your claim.

  113. on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:30 pm 113.Anonymous said …

    What has the big bang got to do with the question of if this imaginary being “god” is faithful or not?

    Burebista. If you have proof that this god isn’t a delusion, that it exists and actually gives a shit, or if you can shed light on the whereabouts of this so-called Christian “moral code” (raping children, lying, shooting school-kids, so it seems?) then post it.

    Else stop trolling and stop with the attempts to change the subject with your constant red-herrings and childish comments.

  114. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:31 pm 114.Lou(DFW) said …

    106.s0l0m0n said …

    “The patterns in a wind-blown sand dune is just a simple demonstration of what God can design.”

    LOL! God is designing sand dunes by blowing on them while millions of children are starving. Some god!

    “Now think of other complicated example like the sea waves that can move or the crystal patterns formed during crystallization process.
    All these phenomenons are created or designed by God.”

    When a tsunami kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people, then god is the murderer?

    “Atheists can’t disproof that there’s a particular kind of ’star’ hidden somewhere in the universe.
    Atheists can’t also disproof that there’s ‘God’.”

    When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence? Whenever theists proclaim that, then what they mean is that THEY don’t have any evidence for their imaginary god. Atheists need not “disproof” that your imaginary doesn’t exist anymore than they must “disproof” that Zeus doesn’t exist.

  115. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:34 pm 115.q said …

    Todd,

    This article might help you to understand.

    http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_18645312

  116. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:39 pm 116.Burebista said …

    Burebista “will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments”

    Severin,

    For the record, I don’t find your comments meaningless and rambling. I’m sorry that Lou is so down on you.

    Severin, would you not agree not providing evidence for your opinions but requiring others to provide evidence for their opinion is hypocritical?

  117. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:58 pm 117.Lou(DFW) said …

    114.Burp the Babeler said …

    “For the record, I don’t find your comments meaningless and rambling.”

    For someone who claims to be fluent in three languages, you have a reading comprehension problem. Either that or, as usual, you attempted to intentionally misrepresent what I wrote in 104.

    For the record, my comments were about YOUR comments about TODD, not Sev, dummy.

    Regardless, you failed to reply to the rest of 104 -

    “…never will answer direct questions about his claim of god and an alleged god-given absolute moral code.”

    Fraud.

  118. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:03 pm 118.Severin said …

    115 Burebista
    “Burebista “will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments. … I’m sorry that Lou is so down on you.”

    It was Lou’s comment to your reply to someone else’s post (Todd’s, I think), mot mine.

    You are showing us your character of a sick liar again.
    Don’t you see how miserable you are?

  119. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:11 pm 119.Severin said …

    115 Burebista
    “Severin, would you not agree not providing evidence for your opinions but requiring others to provide evidence for their opinion is hypocritical?”

    Where is your evidence for your opinion: “Of course I know god exists”?

  120. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:21 pm 120.Lou(DFW) said …

    117.Severin said …

    ‘Where is your evidence for your opinion: “Of course I know god exists”?’

    That’s not an opinion, it’s a statement of fact. And anyone who says that is either a liar or deluded because they “know” no such thing.

  121. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:23 pm 121.Severin said …

    Burebista,

    I had several long discussions with theists on these pages during last few years.
    Some of them were very honest, and we ended our debates with each of us keeping his opinion, but without any attempt, from either side, to prove him/herself right using lies and missconstructions, as you do.

    Lying so arrantly is only your characteristic.
    Not even some Horatios, Xenons, Bens, Solomons, Messengers, etc, never tried to falsify other people’s words, and make false connections and constructions, so directly and so transparently as you do, to try to make himself right.

    I am really sorry for you. You must be very, very sick.

    Shall I make a list of your lies here?

  122. on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:23 pm 122.Anonymous said …

    Lou(DFW) said …

    “When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence?”

    Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.
    There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.

    All atheists,however you twist,whatever you twist,you just can’t disproof that there is God.

  123. on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:24 pm 123.MrQ said …

    Bur, previously:

    “Big bang did not explode from nothing, but from a “cluster” of matter/energy which already existed.”

    Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?

    From the laws of thermodynamics, for example. State a case for when the laws were not applicable. Can you? Oh, you’ve got “godidit” as the “escape all reasoning and explanation” card and I am sure you’ll play it.

  124. on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:26 pm 124.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW) said …

    “When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence?”

    Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.
    There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.

    All atheists,however you twist,whatever you twist,you just can’t disproof that there is God.

    Sorry….didn’t mention my identity earlier

  125. on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:40 pm 125.Lou(DFW) said …

    120.Anonymous said …

    “Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.”

    Atheists don’t “disproof” that there is a god. Atheists offer evidence and “disproof” of theists’ evidence for their imaginary god.

    “There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.”

    Really? Which evidence? Which god? Please present it.

    “All atheists…can’t disproof that there is God.”

    That part of your comment is correct. And just how many times must it be explained to you that we don’t need to “disproof” god anymore than we must “disproof” astrology, alien abduction, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monsters, nor any other of thousands of irrational, illogical beliefs for which there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER?

  126. on 16 Jan 2013 at 7:29 pm 126.Anonymous said …

    Standard theist wordplay / equivocation.

    “I know” = “I believe”
    “Proof” = “Belief”
    “Common Sense” = “Belief”
    “Truth” = “Belief”
    “Fact” = “Assertion”
    “You can’t disprove” = “I can’t prove”
    “Respect my beliefs” = “Don’t question my assertions”
    “Mystery” = “Gullibility”
    “Historical” = “Myth”
    “Evidence” = “Anecdote”
    “Ample” = “Scant”

  127. on 16 Jan 2013 at 10:02 pm 127.Burebista said …

    No answer Severin. So you admit you post your opinions with no evidence but the theists must produce evidence with their opinions. Evidence, you of course, get to judge.

    Then you have the audacity to question my character.
    Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.

  128. on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:05 pm 128.Anonymous said …

    127.Burebista said …

    “No answer Severin.”

    LOL! Where are YOUR answers? Where is your god-given moral code?

    “So you admit you post your opinions with no evidence…”

    Of course he did.

    “…but the theists must produce evidence with their opinions.”

    Opinions? Are you now admitting that the claims that theists post here are actually nothing but “opinions?” In other words, you’re admitting that you don’t know that god exists, it’s only your “opinion?” Did I understand you? God exists is only your opinion. PERFECT!

    “Evidence, you of course, get to judge.”

    Judge, no. Refute, yes. So post it, fraud.

    “Then you have the audacity to question my character.”

    AUDACITY?! LOL! We don’t need no stinking audacity to question your character. Your character is not in any way questionable! We have your lies right here on this blog. You’re a blatant liar and fraud. You don’t have any “character” to question.

    “Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.”

    Really? Is hypocrisy contrary to your god-given absolute moral code? Prove it, fraud.

  129. on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:06 pm 129.Lou (DFW) said …

    Sorry, anonymous #128 was me.

  130. on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:09 pm 130.Lou (DFW) said …

    127.Burp said …

    “Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.”

    LOL! Sev, you are now on notice! Burp has your “hypocrisy on record.”

  131. on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:16 am 131.Anonymous said …

    Well, now we have the matter of Sev’s so-called hypocrisy “on record”, let’s stop with the diversions and get back to facts.

    It doesn’t matter which of your sock-puppets you wish to use to post it, “Burp” please provide us with the definitive and absolute god-given Christian moral code that we hear about, but no-one seems willing to provide.

  132. on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:36 am 132.s0l0m0n said …

    The real God is not imaginary. It’s more than a scientific fact. It’s supported by the “car manufacturing analogy”.

  133. on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:39 am 133.alex said …

    All the Vulcan nonbelievers here are full of shit. Vulcan must be the true god.

  134. on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:20 am 134.Todd said …

    How does someone disprove something that does not exist? Xians say God exist because the bible says so. And And what appears to be footprints. And hair of the alleged creature. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
    As for bigfoot. There is film footage of the alleged bigfoot.

  135. on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:22 am 135.A said …

    Well, I have no problem with Christian mingle. They make money and some singles find a mate. A win-win.

  136. on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:34 am 136.Lou (DFW) said …

    134.ASS said …

    “Well, I have no problem with Christian mingle. They make money and some singles find a mate. A win-win.”

    Yeah, as long as somebody makes money from the gullibility of the deluded religious, it’s a “win-win.” What’s new?

  137. on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:44 am 137.Lou (DFW) said …

    133.Todd said …

    “And And what appears to be footprints. And hair of the alleged creature.”

    “As for bigfoot. There is film footage of the alleged bigfoot.”

    Hmm… but there’s no “film footage” of your imaginary god, and there’s more evidence for Bigfoot.

    “For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky.”

    And for a very long time they thought it was flat and that it was the center of the universe with the sun, moon, and stars all revolving around it – they were wrong about that, and they’re wrong about the existence of their imaginary god.

    “Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.”

    Oh yeah? I do, and so do many others. There’s no evidence for your imaginary god. All you ever provide is lip service for your imaginary god, and rather pathetically at that.

    BTW – if your imaginary god can be seen through “divine nature” with all of his alleged “eternal power,” then why does he need mortal men to publish a piss-poorly written book of stories and to preach in order to communicate with us? Some god.

  138. on 17 Jan 2013 at 5:35 am 138.Todd said …

    In the story Les Miserabe the inspector kills himself because he can’t live in a world where people can change because that means his entire life philosphy was wrong. He would rather be dead than live in a world that proves he is wrong about his philosophy.

  139. on 17 Jan 2013 at 6:35 am 139.s0l0m0n said …

    Atheists just could not refute the necessity of a God. They could not ever get away from the fact that there must be an intelligent being behind ‘all’ creations.

    One will look silly to deny the “car manufacturing analogy”.

    It needs intelligence even to sketch a simple cartoon character and the intelligence should surely come from a life being.And Must Not come from an unidentified lifeless form ‘Nature’.

    Let’s cite a simple example.
    You can’t expect a stone to sketch a simple cartoon character or let’s say even an Ape couldn’t do that.

    Atheists won’t be able to account for these simple reasoning.Actually they have no ever substance to deny God.

  140. on 17 Jan 2013 at 6:35 am 140.Anonymous said …

    Life cycle of a troll (some stages omitted for simplicity)

    A –> Asher –> Burbista –> Tom –> Xenon (repeat)

  141. on 17 Jan 2013 at 12:32 pm 141.A said …

    “Atheists just could not refute the necessity of a God. They could not ever get away from the fact that there must be an intelligent being behind ‘all’ creations.”

    Solomon, individuals will go to extraordinary measures to protect their worldview. Rather than admit intelligence is a necessity for creation they will make up all sorts of ridiculous possibilities and then argue on blogs about a being that they claim does not exist.

    I wonder if they hit the anti-santa blogs as enthusiastically?

  142. on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:31 pm 142.MrQ said …

    “A” plays the “escape all reasoning and explanation” card. And, in the process, supports a muslim brother who has condemned him to (((HELL))) for putting his money on the wrong pony.

    “Atheists just could not refute the necessity of a God. They could not ever get away from the fact that there must be an intelligent being behind ‘all’ creations.”
    Solomon, individuals will go to extraordinary measures to protect their worldview.

    Well played, sir!!!!!!

  143. on 17 Jan 2013 at 2:12 pm 143.Lou(DFW) said …

    139.s0l0m0n said …

    “Atheists won’t be able to account for these simple reasoning.Actually they have no ever substance to deny God.”

    Can you answer one simple question – of all the thousands of imaginary gods, which one is the real god?

  144. on 17 Jan 2013 at 2:22 pm 144.Lou(DFW) said …

    141.ASS said …

    “Solomon, individuals will go to extraordinary measures to protect their worldview.”

    (sigh) Poor ASS, he has no other way to defend his delusion than to lie about those who don’t agree with him. Disbelief in your imaginary god isn’t a “worldview.”

    “Rather than admit intelligence is a necessity for creation…”

    We would rather see your evidence for such an empty claim. Please provide it.

    “…they will make up all sorts of ridiculous possibilities…”

    Actually, no. ASS lies again. The vast, VAST majority of atheists do no such thing.

    “…and then argue on blogs about a being that they claim does not exist.”

    ASS lies AGAIN. We “argue” about a being that YOU claim exists, but for which you NEVER, EVER provide any evidence.

    “I wonder if they hit the anti-santa blogs as enthusiastically?”

    Who cares about what you “wonder?” We only care about what you can demonstrate, and so far you only demonstrated that you a delusional, pathological liar and fraud. But it is revealing that you compare your belief in an imaginary god to a child’s belief in imaginary Santa.

  145. on 21 Jan 2013 at 2:17 pm 145.Lesbian Carwasher said …

    i just want to know one thing…

    if any theist can answer this i will be converted to the religion

    How did “god” make all the matter?
    he must obey the rules of physics so if you answer in an incorrect manner i will not convert.
    now, theists, you have a week!!!

  146. on 22 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 146.s0l0m0n said …

    Lesbian Carwasher,

    It’s purely simple. God need only to say “be it” and instantly it’s there.That’s higher than physics.
    Now (((CONVERT))).

  147. on 22 Jan 2013 at 12:42 pm 147.Lesbian Carwasher said …

    *BEEP*

    incorrect, you did not abide to the laws of physics, that no matter what, cannot be broken or changed regardless of your “power”

    no conversion for i

    NOW EVERY ONE CONVERT TO BRONYISM

  148. on 22 Jan 2013 at 3:32 pm 148.s0l0m0n said …

    If you say so,lets debate on it.

  149. on 22 Jan 2013 at 3:37 pm 149.Omega said …

    Fluttershy is best pony. :3

  150. on 25 Jan 2013 at 10:47 pm 150.Phil said …

    And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings. Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.

  151. on 26 Jan 2013 at 4:17 am 151.s0l0m0n said …

    Bravo….Phil! Bravo….!

  152. on 26 Jan 2013 at 5:52 pm 152.Todd said …

    I was just listening to a scum bag on tv saying if you call now and give one thousand dollars God will work miracles in your life and bless you ten times over. Then he quotes a bible verse where it says about God increasing the number of people a thousand times and bless you as he has promissed. He said write that check for a thousand dollars. And if you don’t have a thousand dollars put it on your credit card. He told about people who allegedly gave all they had because they needed a miracle. And they gave and miracles happend. e said God told him to buy a building for his church. The building was 7.7 million dolllars. He said God told time to give all he had to ten different churches. So he gave 12,000 dollars to ten churches. He claims he got a phone call that 7.7 million dollars was put in his bank account. My point is why does God allow people like this to spew this shit? I asked several xian sites why God allows people to say false things. The answers were God will punish them when he is ready. God allows people to do as they please. But they will be punished. And the simplistic answer is God has his reasons. And we can’t always understand why. So God allows people to be cheated, abused, tortured and killed because he has his reasons. I think if God were real he should do something to stop people before they do evil things. Someone said on youtube that each person is as evil as hitler and others like him in God’s mind. Meaning God does not see one person as more evil as another. So according to them someone who tells a lie is as evil as hitler. I don’t believe that.

  153. on 28 Jan 2013 at 5:05 am 153.s0l0m0n said …

    Todd,

    God won’t allow people to be cheated, that’s why he give them brains. If the know how to get proper use of their brains, the won’t be cheated.

  154. on 28 Jan 2013 at 5:06 am 154.s0l0m0n said …

    Sorry….

    ……they won’t be cheated.

  155. on 28 Jan 2013 at 8:36 pm 155.Curmudgeon said …

    “And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings.”

    Phil I would be impressed mightily if a single-cell organism formed from that, much less male and female beings. But they have to believe this. Their entire worldview is at stake and chaos to order must be maintained as random luck to maintain that worldview.

    You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.

  156. on 28 Jan 2013 at 8:56 pm 156.Severin said …

    #150
    “And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings.”

    Who ever mentioned “random happening”?
    Laws of physics and chemistry are far from anything random.
    If you put a glass of water on your table, it sometimes evaporates and sometimes not, THAT would be random.
    But it will always evaporate, and that are strict laws of natuere.

    ” Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.”
    Which god? Please specify.

  157. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:05 pm 157.DPK said …

    ” Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.”

    Well sure it’s EASIER… you don’t have to think about anything. You don’t have to do the work to understand how things really work, you don’t have to learn anything or do any of that hard math or chemistry stuff. Just “God did it” and you’re done.
    No wonder theism is the primary worldview of the ignorant and uneducated… because it’s “easier”.
    Where would we be if Crick and Watson had said, “A molecule that can replicate itself? Nooo thanks! Believing in a god is easier…”

    You’re such an imbecile.

  158. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:17 pm 158.Anonymous said …

    Ass’s latest sock-puppet, attempting to change the subject from his mentally ill beliefs said: “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”

    OK, wise guy. Exactly what are those odds?

  159. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:38 pm 159.Severin said …

    #155
    “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”

    It would be so if events depended on random chance only.
    You obviously don’t know anything about physics and chemistry.
    Chance to win every state lotery very small.
    Chance to get a new compound form two or more existing compounds are in most cases 100%.

    And, if you have a lot of time (3 billion years) and a lot of opportunities – look what happened.
    It would be a miracle if nothing had happened under such benefitial conditions.

  160. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:45 pm 160.Severin said …

    #155
    “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”

    OK, we discussed that many times before, but you never ever told us: if you think that life did not arise spontaniously from elements and simpler compounds, HOW DID IT BEGIN?

    I mean, it is easy to just negate something.
    When I negate Bible, I don’t only mock and say it was not so, ha, ha, ha, but I make an effort to explain my opinion.

    Now, HOW AND WHEN did god create life?
    Did god create life as described in Bible?

    Can we kindly expect some explanation, finally?

  161. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:50 pm 161.Curmudgeon said …

    “It would be a miracle if nothing had happened under such benefitial conditions.”

    What exactly happened under those “benefitial conditions” Severin?

    Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming. Don’t forget your evidence to support each step.

  162. on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 162.alex said …

    “Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming.”

    why not go to a santa-non-believing site and demand step by step how gifts are manufactured from raw material to the finished product. better yet, demand how the molecules make up the raw material. just to divert attention from the fact that santa doesn’t exist.

    i’ll save you the time. evolution, chemistry, and the big bang are 100% bullshit. no need to explain eh? now back to your bullshit religion…..

  163. on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:21 pm 163.Severin said …

    #161
    “Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming.”

    I was specific enough for the beginning: living world is all made of same simple molecules, which could have been synthesized by natural processes during billion of years. What more specific do you want?

    Now you:
    I don’t ask you to be very specific and to explain things step by step.
    It would do if you just tell us when and how did god crate life.
    Only in general, for example: was it according to Bible, or some other way, and approximately when?

    Thank you!

  164. on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:24 pm 164.Severin said …

    #161
    “What exactly happened under those “benefitial conditions” Severin?”

    How exactly god created life?
    It must be simple for you to tell us that story.

  165. on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:28 am 165.Lou(DFW) said …

    155.Crum said …

    “Phil I would be impressed mightily if a single-cell organism formed from that…”

    I would be impressed if you could ever provide evidence for your imaginary god.

    “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”

    Please calculate the odds that the specific individual known as Curmudgeon could be born. Don’t forget to include all the eggs and all the sperm of all the persons who ever lived on the planet. Get back to us when finished.

  166. on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:34 am 166.Curmudgeon said …

    Severin

    You can stop with your dodging.

    How did that first single cell organism form? In case you do not realize this fact, there was a time when there was not life. Your task, explain the steps, with evidence, that caused this to happen with no God.

    I look forward to learning something new.

  167. on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:13 am 167.s0l0m0n said …

    How God create life?

    It’s simple. God just blows the “Rokh” (some form of an invincible energy) into some form of a dead body or matter.
    Is that clear enough?

    Atheists are the ignorant.

  168. on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:19 am 168.DPK said …

    “How did that first single cell organism form? In case you do not realize this fact, there was a time when there was not life. Your task, explain the steps, with evidence, that caused this to happen with no God.”

    Oh, that’s easy. Is that all you want. Once there was no life. Then, a magical inter-dimensional space turtle sent a first cell creating machine through an inter dimensional portal and activated it, seeding all the planets, asteroids, and comets in the entire universe with a special magical dust that would assemble itself into a cell when conditions were right, and then magically disappear, leaving no trace of itself behind. Of course, the turtle, being inter dimensional, was able to make this magical dust so that it could never be detected, which is why you will never find it.
    See, no god required, and what is more, you cannot prove that I am wrong. Therefore, I am right.
    Now, do you admit that my explanation is every bit as logical and possible as yours? And, if not, why?

  169. on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:24 am 169.DPK said …

    Oh, sorry…. You asked for evidence too. I almost forgot.
    The fact that you cannot find any evidence of the magical dust, or the inter dimensional turtle proves that my hypothesis is true, because that fits exactly with the observable evidence.
    No, unless you have a theory that fits better, we can close this diversion, and perhaps you can explain why your god, who is supposed to answer prayers and intercede in human affairs, never actually does that.

  170. on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:49 am 170.Lou(DFW) said …

    166.Crum said …

    “How did that first single cell organism form?”

    It doesn’t matter how unless you have some evidence that it was done by your imaginary god, much in the same way that the ancients believed volcanoes formed. It was obviously the result of the angry volcano god. This exactly how it was believed that all then un-explainable natural phenomenon occurred.

    Crum, you’re nothing but an ignorant ancient, so besides the fact that you’re a fraud who never answers questions about his comments, it’s not expected that you’ll calculate the odds that you were born. Back to the sock drawer with you.

  171. on 29 Jan 2013 at 4:06 am 171.The messenger said …

    169.DPK, you are so mistaken.

    It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust. Dust is mainly carbon which is an organic material. He created eve by taking one of Adams ribs to form eve. I would suspect that he used the DNA that was located in that rip to make eve similar too Adam.

    Given the fact that the bible mentions organic material as the medium from which God constructed livening organisms, it is undead possible that the creation story that is located in the bible is Indeed plausible.

  172. on 29 Jan 2013 at 8:28 am 172.Severin said …

    #166
    “You can stop with your dodging.”

    … said the one who never ever supports his claims with any explanation, and never ever answers any question.

    Did god create life?
    Yes?
    Is it what you say?
    Do you DARE to confirm that as your claim?

    Now, without many details, just tell us when was it done and how god did it.
    I don’t need evidences, and I don’t need “step by step” procedure! Only approximate time and mechanism, in short. A few words will do!

    For example, start with the Bible: was life created as described in Bible, or some other way?
    If Biblical story does not hold water, we can’t wait to hear the spare story from you.

    Maybe you sign Solomon’s #167 post?

    SAY SOMETHING of your own, man!

  173. on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:55 pm 173.Lou(DFW) said …

    171.The messenger said …

    “169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
    It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust. Dust is mainly carbon which is an organic material.”

    Another messenger lie. Dust is not “mainly carbon.”

    You’re such a fool.

  174. on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:11 pm 174.Anonymous said …

    Severin said “#166
    “You can stop with your dodging.”

    … said the one who never ever supports his claims with any explanation, and never ever answers any question.”

    Correct. Every time he’s asked a direct question he either ignores it, evades it, or runs away. That’s because he’s dishonest and he’s a troll. He has no intention of answering questions, he’s only here to cause trouble.

    Yet, every time he sets you up, and be clear it’s a deliberate set up, with a what-caused-x question, you rise to the bait and you ALLOW him to escape by playing a game of god-of-the-gaps.

    Perhaps if it wasn’t so easy to take advantage of your honesty and your eagerness to help, then we’d have more opportunity to see the theists answer questions instead of this interminable “hey, atheists, how do you explain x” diversionary crap.

  175. on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:47 pm 175.DPK said …

    171.The messenger said …

    “169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
    It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust.”

    Messenger, I am sorry brother, but you are wrong. I told you in 168 and 169 exactly how it happened and I provided unquestionable proof.
    How are you so stupid as not to understand that?
    I will pray that you will understand one day.

  176. on 29 Jan 2013 at 5:10 pm 176.Scourge said …

    #171 Messenger I hate to break it to you but dust is a term for fine airborne solids easily transported in air. This boils down to the ratio of mass to size. It has nothing to do with composition. In cities like New York, much of the dust is exfoliated human skin, in New Delhi much of it is feces. In those two cases, they are carbon-rich. But prior to the planet being covered with humans, and only a couple days accumulation of feces, we can be assured the dust Yahweh puportedly used was more like the dust related to soil. That is for the most part inorganic silt and clay.

    Of course, it has now been proven the interdimensional turtle is responsible for creation. Your point is moot.

  177. on 29 Jan 2013 at 7:07 pm 177.Lou(DFW) said …

    171.The messenger said …

    “169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
    It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust.”

    If your imaginary god required dust from which to create man, then from what did he create dust?

  178. on 29 Jan 2013 at 8:56 pm 178.Todd said …

    Has any big bang theory scientist ever explained where the subatomic particles or what ever came from? They say that was pert of the beginning of everything. I have not heard them say where it came from. Or who caused the big bang. Something can’t come from nothing. The subatomic particles and big banghad to have a source. I would live to ask them what the source is. And now scientist are looking for what they call the god particle. If scientist don’t believe in a god why is it the god particle? They are such hypocrites.

  179. on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:01 pm 179.Todd said …

    It is called the theory of evolution. I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess. So it is just a guess. A guess is not a fact. So saying it is a theory is admitting they don’t know it is 100 percent true. The same with other scientific theories like relativity.

  180. on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:33 pm 180.MrQ said …

    they don’t know it is 100 percent true. The same with other scientific theories like relativity.

    And gravity also?
    Couldn’t gravity be explained as “intelligent pushing”? A god is asserting a force (and, coincidentally, his will) on us – keeping us tethered on the big blue marble we all share. There, that fits nicely with the evidence. After all, god cares so much that even evil atheists must endure “intelligent pushing”. A god could remove the force from all non-believers and we’d all float off into space to die a slow and painful death. Todd, if you want to take this idea and run with it, just remember that MrQ discovered it!! You can have second billing – in small typeset – under my name.

  181. on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:46 pm 181.Severin said …

    #178
    “Has any big bang theory scientist ever explained where the subatomic particles or what ever came from?”

    They did not come from anywhere.
    They WERE THERE already, only in different form.

    All the matter, enrgy and space were already there, in so called “singularity”, then something “got wrong” and singularity “exploded”: in fact, SPACE started to expand, pulling matter and energy with itslef.
    No one ever said that the big bang exploded from “nothing”.
    SOMETHING was there, and that SOMETHING “exploded”.

    “Something can’t come from nothing.”
    “Something can’t come from nothing.”

    Like, for example, god?
    As you said, if god is “something”, he could not come from nothing.
    If he is not “something”, he is nothing, in which case there is no god.

    Make your choice, but have in mind that you lose whatever you chose:
    Either god exists, and because he is not “nothing”, but is “something, he could not come from nothing (your words), which means he must have been created, which opens the problem of “creator’s … creator’s creator.
    Or god does not exists, and all problems disappear.

    Try to think about the question:
    Why ANYTHING must have been created?
    WHY? Because you like it? Try to find the REASON for the claim: “Everything must have been created”.
    It sounds so artificial and illogical to me.
    WHO said that matter/energy/space must have been created?
    IF someone said that, couldn’t he be wrong?
    Why wouldn’t you be satisfied if something exists without having been created?
    It just exists, period!
    If you are satisfied with a god existing without having been created, and do not pose any questions about god’s origin, try to explain WHY can’t we apply the same logic to matter/energy.
    WHY?

  182. on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:53 pm 182.Severin said …

    In short: matter, anergy and space are not “nothing”, they are “something”, but did not come from anywhere: THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE.

  183. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:02 pm 183.Severin said …

    #179
    “I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess.”

    You are wrong. In coloquial speech the word “theory” is used for many different things, including for assumption, guessing, unproved claim, …, but scientific theory is something else.

    Here is definition of “theory”:
    “A set of assumptions, propositions, or accepted facts that attempts to provide a plausible or rational explanation of cause-and-effect (causal) relationships among a group of observed phenomenon.”

    A theory that fits reality is no more “theory” in coloquial meaning, it becomes FACT.

    “Gravity theory”, for example, is 100% fact, which you can prove yourself if you put your head under falling rock.

  184. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:04 pm 184.DPK said …

    on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:01 pm 179.Todd said …
    It is called the theory of evolution. I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess. So it is just a guess. A guess is not a fact. So saying it is a theory is admitting they don’t know it is 100 percent true. The same with other scientific theories like relativity.

    Go back to wherever you took your “science class” and get your tuition back. If you paid for an education, you were robbed.
    Then, google “scientific theory” and learn something that hopefully will help you sound like less of an imbecile.

  185. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:05 pm 185.Severin said …

    Yet, although the rock will brake your head, it is still called “theory”!

    Evolution is also called “theory”, although it is one of the most supported teories ever: IT IS THE FACT.

  186. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:32 pm 186.Lou(DFW) said …

    179.Todd said …

    “It is called the theory of evolution.”

    No, it is not, and it never was.

    “I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess.”

    No, it is not. You were incorrectly taught.

  187. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:33 pm 187.Lou(DFW) said …

    186.Lou(DFW) said …

    “No, it is not. You (Todd)were incorrectly taught.”

    Home-schooled?

  188. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:38 pm 188.DPK said …

    Home-schooled?

    That, or Bob Jones.

  189. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:58 pm 189.alex said …

    congrats todd. question a fact/theory that you know atheists believe to be true and you get your predictable result. stop it. let me remind you. god is not the default in a CASE or if-then-else statement.

    if the earth is proven flat, or gravity is not 100% true, or 1 = 2, it still doesn’t prove shit about your god. please, don’t even try to make that leap: “if atheists are wrong about fact-2387a63, then god exists!, game over”. fucken moron.

  190. on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:40 am 190.Curmudgeon said …

    Todd

    It doesn’t even qualify as a theory. They have proof for microevolution but not one shred of evidence for macroevolution. It has been admitted to me that macro is assumed based on micro. They call it science but all it really qualifies as if naturalistic philosophy.

    I bought into the theory into my early 30s based on what I was taught. Then I discovered what I was taught was in error, guesses and outright lies mixed with a few facts. If it was real science they would teach it honestly but they don’t because for them it is religion.

  191. on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:42 am 191.Curmudgeon said …

    everin said “They WERE THERE already, only in different form.”

    Prove it severin.

    Todd, watch severin defend this statement and see how many facts he actually uses.

  192. on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:45 am 192.Lou(DFW) said …

    190.Crum said …

    “Todd
    It doesn’t even qualify as a theory. They have proof for microevolution but not one shred of evidence for macroevolution.”

    At a boy, Crum. Keep up the fraudulent diversion in order to avoid the fact that you don’t have any evidence for your delusion that your imaginary god exists and that he created the universe.

    Even IF what you said is true, it still isn’t evidence that your imaginary god is real.

  193. on 30 Jan 2013 at 2:11 am 193.Lou(DFW) said …

    191.Crum said …

    “Todd, watch severin defend this statement and see how many facts he actually uses.”

    Todd, watch what Sev doesn’t do, as Crum would do –

    ignore your question, demand that you DISPROVE his claim, or disappear, only to reappear as one of his many sock-puppets.

  194. on 30 Jan 2013 at 2:33 am 194.Lou(DFW) said …

    Todd,

    I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.

    Crum, is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?

    If yes, then please provide its location and its actual contents.

    If Crum is not a fraud, then he will directly answer both questions. But he is a fraud, so he will not answer both, and most probably will not answer either. Or, he will avoid answering by demanding that I answer a different question of his own. Or, he will demand that I disprove that there is no god-given absolute moral code. Or, he will disappear and one of his sock-puppets will suddenly join the conversation.

    Or, Todd, you are and Crum are one and the same.

  195. on 30 Jan 2013 at 4:29 am 195.Anonymous said …

    179.Todd said … “I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess”…

    No, you were not. Never in a million years could you ever have been taught that in a science class.

  196. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:13 am 196.Todd said …

    How the hell would you know what I was taught or not taught? Were you there? I think not.

    All of the definitions below basically say that a theory is speculation.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    Definition of THEORY

    1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

    2: abstract thought : speculation

    3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art

    4
    a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action

    b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory

    5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

    6

    a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

    b: an unproved assumption : conjecture

    c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject
    Synonyms: hypothesis, proposition, supposition, thesis

  197. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:20 am 197.Todd said …

    For the longest time scientist said the world was flat. Then they found out they were wrong. They said columbis would fall off the edge of the earth. They were wrong. Scientist have been proven wrong many times. They said it takes millions of years for layers of earth to be created like it is. After mt saint helens volcano erupted all of tose layers of earth were created in hours. Scientist were proven wrong.

  198. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:25 am 198.Todd said …

    There are lots of sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution.

  199. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:28 am 199.DPK said …

    Because, Todd, science classes are presumably taught by scientists. And every scientist understands the difference between the use of the word “theory” in the scientific method, vs the common use in English vernacular, which uneducated people, or those wishing to deliberately mislead others, frequently confuse.
    Read and learn:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

  200. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 200.Anonymous said …

    I didn’t need to be there to know that you are lying or mistaken. It’s that simple “Todd”.

  201. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:31 am 201.Anonymous said …

    Now that we’ve got your obvious diversion out of the way. How about YOU pony up some proof for sky daddy or whatever it is that you believe in.

  202. on 30 Jan 2013 at 6:07 am 202.s0l0m0n said …

    Atheists have no ever reason to refute God.They only have excuses.
    They will be thrown into the dungeons of (((((HELL)))))

  203. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:28 am 203.Severin said …

    #191
    “Severin said “They WERE THERE already, only in different form.”

    “Prove it severin.”

    I explained my OPINION in details. Why should I have to prove it? It is only an opinion! You never give any explanation or proofs for YOUR opinions, but are unhonest enough to always require proofs from other people.
    Not this time!

    Have you ever said there was a god? Or that god created life? Or, is it something you think we should “read” from your mind?
    I posed my direct question in #172 about did you, or did you not claim that god created life, but your answer to that simple question never appeared here.

    Should I conclude that you cant support your own claims?
    Well, I DO conclude that:
    - Curmudgeon claims that god created life
    - Curmudgeon does not know when and how god created life. He can’t support his claim with a simple explanation (no proofs required).
    - Curmudgeon is saying nothing but bullshit.

    For a fraud of your size it is more than fair.

    Waiting for your kind answer.
    (Which will never come)

  204. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:44 am 204.A said …

    “I explained my OPINION in details. Why should I have to prove it?”

    Severin, how many tomes must Thelma-Lou tell you, we don’t care about your opinion, only what you can prove.

    Then you have the audacity to ask someone else to support their claims.

    You are indeed a fraud Sev.

    Todd,

    You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person. Anonymous and Sev are obsessed with playing.

  205. on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:19 pm 205.Severin said …

    196 Todd
    A scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy.

    Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific KNOWLEDGE (my bold). This is significantly different from the word “theory” in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative.”

    So, we did not talk here about a “theory” about whether or not a young lady is wearing a bra, we were talking SCIENTIFIC THEORY.
    Scientific theory has only one definition, which you can see above, or “google” it for yourself to be sure.

    Now, you probably ACCEPT and TRUST scientific theories about electricity, medicine, thermodynamics, physics, chemistry, …, because you enjoy the fruits of all those SCIENTIFIC THEORIES in your everyday life: you fly planes, you use GPS, you use synthetic materials, you visit doctors when sick, …
    Then, suddenly, when a SCIENTIFIC THEORY comes to tell you that something happened 13.7 billion years ago, and it DID NOT happen “from nothing” (but from singularity which already CONTAINED all the space, matter and energy we can see/observe/measure today), you do not believe it!

    It is our right, but why is that so, Todd?
    You are right to pick out the theories you like from those you don’t like, but it sounds extremely subjective and illogical.
    Sorry, but it sounds childlish.

  206. on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:27 pm 206.Severin said …

    #204
    “Severin, how many tomes must Thelma-Lou tell you, we don’t care about your opinion, only what you can prove.
    Then you have the audacity to ask someone else to support their claims.”

    … said a lying mouse from his mouse hole, who never ever answer questions, never support his opinion that there is a god, and that that god created universe and life, never shows us where to find “absolut moral code” for which he claims it exists, NEVER says anything of his own, but only babbles and makes diversions with other people’s words.

    Who, the fuck, cares for YOUR opinion, liar?!
    Go back to your hole, and think about how to prove YOUR claims.
    Or, atleast, to EXPLAIN them.

  207. on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:35 pm 207.Severin said …

    #204
    “You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person. Anonymous and Sev are obsessed with playing.”

    Here is a direct proof for your diversions.

    I have never said in my life that I think that all the theists are the same person.
    Prove your lousy words, or eat them.

    It would be catstrophy for this world if all theists were as dishonest as you.
    I certainly do not think they are, but YOU ARE a liar and a fraud.

  208. on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:36 pm 208.Severin said …

    #202
    “They will be thrown into the dungeons of (((((HELL)))))”

    For eternity?

  209. on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:46 pm 209.Lou(DFW) said …

    Todd,

    There’s no such thing as “The Theory Of Evolution.” If you continue to claim so, then please provide it. It’s on the shelf next to “The God-Given Morality Code.”

    Todd, even IF there was “The Theory Of Evolution,” then it doesn’t mean that it’s “only a theory.” The theory explains HOW evolution works. It has no bearing on whether or not it’s true.

    Is gravity “only a theory?” There are theories about gravity, so according to your convoluted logic, it’s not real.

    Now, move on and stop arguing semantics, definitions, and origins. Origins is IRRELEVANT to the discussions about imaginary god and religion unless you have some evidence that imaginary god is the source of the universe. Otherwise, as with ASS and Crum, you are nothing but a troll.

  210. on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:49 pm 210.Lou(DFW) said …

    204.ASS said …

    “You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person. Anonymous and Sev are obsessed with playing.”

    ASS, you are a blatant, pathological liar. Show us how Sev is “obsessed with playing” as you claim.

  211. on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:55 pm 211.Lou(DFW) said …

    198.Todd said …

    “There are lots of sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution.”

    It’s very obvious that we’re trying to have a discussion with someone of very limited intelligence. We’re playing chess with a pigeon.

    Todd, there are not any “sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution,” much less “lots of.” There aren’t any “sites on google” – period.

    Furthermore, that there are websites about a subject isn’t evidence that the subject is true or that the site is a legitimate source of knowledge on that subject.

  212. on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:56 pm 212.Lou(DFW) said …

    204.ASS said …

    “You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person.”

    Says ASS/Mitch/Martin.

  213. on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:02 pm 213.Severin said …

    #197
    “They said it takes millions of years for layers of earth to be created like it is. After mt saint helens volcano erupted all of tose layers of earth were created in hours. Scientist were proven wrong.”

    THAT is the very essence of science!
    To keep “digging” for truth, NOT accepting, anything, ever, as a “final and eternal truth”.

    Thanks for writing it.

    As about layer of erath, it took hundreds of millions of years for Mount Everest to grow from the see level to more than 8850 metere, and Mt. Everest is STILL growing some 6.1 cm/year. So layers of stones Mt. Everest is formed from are changing extremely slowly.

    In the other hand, the island Surtsey was created within a few days by volcano eruption. There are many other islands that were created by undresee volcano eruptions within days or weeks.
    There are “zillion” of landscapes that were changed in minutes by catastrohies: volcanoes, tsunamies, earthquakes, you name them, AND there are “zillion” of landscapes that took hundreds of millions of years to formate.
    There are, of course, many and many landscapes which needed any period of time in between to formate: from years to billions of years.
    AND, there are many very accurate methods to measure the age of those formations.

    WHAT is so strange about it?

    If you have a glass of water, it will evaporate within hours, or days, depending on temperature.
    Same quantity of 100% ether, at same temperature, will evaporate within minutes.

    Some processes are slow, other processes are quick, don’t you see it as normal?

  214. on 30 Jan 2013 at 3:35 pm 214.Lou(DFW) said …

    213.Severin said …

    “Some processes are slow, other processes are quick, don’t you see it as normal?”

    Todd’s “processes” are slow.

  215. on 30 Jan 2013 at 4:22 pm 215.DPK said …

    198.Todd said …

    “There are lots of sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution.”

    Todd… there are “lots of sites” on the internet about alien abductions, moon landing conspiracies, and bigfoot sightings. There are even “flat earth” sites on the internet. Do you have a point by making such an absurd observation?

    There are “lots of sites” on the internet that deal with the “theory of Jesus” and the complete lack of verifiable evidence that he was even a real person. Does that mean you dismiss the Jesus stories as “just a theory”? If not, why not?

  216. on 30 Jan 2013 at 4:41 pm 216.Lou(DFW) said …

    194.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Todd,

    I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”

    “Or, he will disappear and one of his sock-puppets will suddenly join the conversation.”

    204.ASS said …

    “Todd,

    You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person.”

  217. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:35 pm 217.Severin said …

    202 Solomon

    Will I go to hell for eternity because I am an atheist?

    Will I ever get your answer to this simple question?

  218. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:45 pm 218.s0l0m0n said …

    Severin,

    You will probably do.
    That’s too simple.

  219. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:50 pm 219.s0l0m0n said …

    Evolution is a ((((HOAX)))).

    Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.

    It’s clear now we can see the stupidity in atheists subjects.

  220. on 30 Jan 2013 at 7:38 pm 220.DPK said …

    217.Severin said …
    202 Solomon
    Will I go to hell for eternity because I am an atheist?
    Will I ever get your answer to this simple question?

    …. Sev… it depends. If Solomon is right, and Allah is god… yes, you’re fucked.
    If messenger is right, and Jesus is god… well Jesus loves everyone, except for the fact the bible says blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the one unforgivable sin, except messenger says everyone gets out of hell after they serve their time, except god says hell punishment is eternal… now you know why you have to be very “excepting” to be a christian.
    Now, if the Jews are right, there is no hell… remember, there is no mention of hell in the old testament. Gentle loving Jesus brought us that invention.
    On the other hand if the inter dimensional seaturtle is real, well, he’s not a god, he’s just a fuckin’ turtle, so no problem.

    But, as you well know, there is absolutely ZERO, nadda, none, zip, evidence that would in any way suggest that your consciousness survives the death of your brain, or that is has the ability to “go” anywhere or experience anything, once the electrochemical processes that take place in your brain and nervous system cease to function.
    The idea of eternal life is a complete fairy tale, and there is even less evidence to suggest that any idea of it is actually true, than there is that a supernatural being watches over us, answers our prayers, cares about what we eat, when, and who we have sex with and how, and will judge us for “sins”.

  221. on 30 Jan 2013 at 8:08 pm 221.Severin said …

    #218
    “… except messenger says everyone gets out of hell after they serve their time, …”

    That is why I insisted to get an asnwer. I cna see that theists hardly agree in many things, and I wanted to catch them being non-unisone in that specific one, pretty important in Christian religion.

    However, thanks for good lough.

  222. on 30 Jan 2013 at 8:57 pm 222.The messenger said …

    Brother 218.s0l0m0n, I mean no offence when I say this, I am still on your side.

    Brother, Jesus is our savior and therefore he will always love us and will always save us nomatter where we are. If a person in hell reolizes what he did wrong in life and if he is willing to make up for his crimes against God, I believe they God will forgive him and will allow him another chance to go to heaven by sending him to purgatory.

  223. on 30 Jan 2013 at 8:59 pm 223.The messenger said …

    Brother 220.DPK, there is alot of evidence that support the afterlife, I have shown you this proof.

  224. on 30 Jan 2013 at 9:15 pm 224.Anonymous said …

    Fancy that.

    The same people who want to quibble over the exact steps leading to the current ~14 billion year old universe can’t even agree on if hell exists, what it’s like, for how long one is here, if you can be released, who goes there and why?

    Likewise, they can’t agree on how you get to the other place, heaven, what that’s like, who goes there, and what happens when you get there.

    They can’t agree on the properties of their god, nor can they agree on the nature of his supposed-son or the details of his life, death, or resurrection.

    Despite this mess of contradictions they all seem to need to wear the label Christian, proclaim proudly that they are a “true” believer – whatever that means and whatever that involves.

    Where they do agree is having no difficulty in claiming the massive plot holes as literary devices and competing theories as not being the work of “True Christians” even though the same label is applied equally throughout the 41,000 different sects of the “true” religion.

    It would be funny if they didn’t actually believe any of it to be true.

  225. on 30 Jan 2013 at 10:52 pm 225.Lou(DFW) said …

    219.s0l0m0n said …

    “Evolution is a ((((HOAX)))).”

    Irrelevant. So what if it is?

    “It’s clear now we can see the stupidity in atheists subjects.”

    Liar, it’s not an “atheists” subject.

    “According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the ‘Big Bang’ and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5–4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution.” – International Theological Commission in a July 2004 statement endorsed by Cardinal Ratzinger, then president of the Commission and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, now Pope Benedict XVI.

  226. on 30 Jan 2013 at 10:53 pm 226.Severin said …

    Oh, I missed Solomon’s answer!

    Solomon, do you and Messenger believe in same god?
    Messenger said that all people go to hell only for some time, not for eternity.

    One of you must be wrong. Which one?
    I leave you two to discuss about it.

    As long as possible, please!
    Privately, please!

  227. on 30 Jan 2013 at 10:53 pm 227.Lou(DFW) said …

    197.Todd said …

    “For the longest time scientist said the world was flat.”

    Liar – show which scientists said that.

  228. on 30 Jan 2013 at 10:58 pm 228.Severin said …

    Messenfer, Solomon said I am going to go to hell for eternity.

    You say people go in hell only for some time, depending on their sins, never for eternity.

    Are you both Christians?
    Do you believe in the same god?

    Why don’t you interchange e-mail adresses and clear that question between two men?

    Maybe you find some more dissagreements.

  229. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:13 pm 229.Severin said …

    #222
    Oh, I missed Messenger’s answer to Solomon too!

    So, Messenger, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot will be in hell for some time (no matter how long, no time is comparable to eternity), then, when they realize what they have done, they wiil enjoy paradize together with Pope John Paul VI and Mother Theresa for eternity?

    Is THAT the “justice” of your god? Putting Hitler and Mother Teresa in the same position?

    You have said enough, thank you.
    If you tomorrow prove me existence of such a god, I would believe he exists, but would spit on him (risking maybe few zillion years of hell, but, as I said, what is a period of time compared to eternity).
    MY moral code is better than his; I would never put the “=” sign between Mother Theresa and Hitler.

  230. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:20 pm 230.Severin said …

    #218
    So, Solomon, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot will be in hell for eternity, and I will be in hell for eternity too, although my “sins” are totally nothing when compared to crimes of the mentioned gentlemen.

    Is THAT the “justice” of your god? Putting Hitler and Mother Teresa in the same position?
    You have said enough, thank you.
    If you tomorrow prove me existence of such a god, I would believe he exists, but would spit on him.
    MY moral code is better than his; I would never put the “=” sign between me and Hitler.

  231. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:20 pm 231.Severin said …

    Solomon, Messenger,

    Don’t you guys see how stupid you are?

  232. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:26 pm 232.alex said …

    god is a generic term for any of the 10,000+ gods. when someone says “god is bullshit”, no matter who says it, it’s right on the money, no? somebody pointed out earlier, aren’t we all atheists?

  233. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:30 pm 233.Severin said …

    Messenger, Solomon,
    How can we trust you and debate with you, if you have opposite opinions about same thing?

    It seems to me that you are trolls who don’t know what they are tolking about.
    If you can’t agree, how do you expect us to trust you?

    Maybe atheist are right:
    No heaven
    No hell
    No eternal life
    No absolute morality
    No god

    I mean, we ALL agree about it. No exception, no differences.

  234. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:27 am 234.s0l0m0n said …

    This is clear cut.

    Hitler, Mother Teresa & Pol Pot as well as atheists will be in ((((HELL)))).

    There are no contradictions.

    If Hitler or Pol Pot repent or plead there is no other than the one true God before they die, then they will spend sometime in ((((HELL)))) and will later accepted in ))))HEAVEN((((.

    But I doubt Mother Teresa or the atheists will do such…??

  235. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:30 am 235.s0l0m0n said …

    sorry…. Mother Theresa…..

  236. on 31 Jan 2013 at 3:48 am 236.Lou(DFW) said …

    231.alex said …

    “somebody pointed out earlier, aren’t we all atheists?”

    I post that here. EVERY theist is an atheist except for their particular imaginary god. They disbelieve in EVERY SINGLE ONE of ALL THE OTHER IMAGINARY GODS that atheists disbelieve in, except one. For them, atheists are absolutely correct in being atheists for all imaginary gods except theirs – even though they have absolutely no more evidence for their imaginary god than do all the other theists. Such is the power of delusion.

  237. on 31 Jan 2013 at 3:49 am 237.Lou(DFW) said …

    194.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Todd,

    I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”

    Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?

  238. on 31 Jan 2013 at 4:31 am 238.A said …

    Sevy,

    You are telling me you are a man of faith? I thought atheists believe what can be proven?

    Sorry we don’t care about your opinions. It is Thelma Lou’s rule. Just keeping Thelma happy. You understand.

  239. on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:47 am 239.The messenger said …

    Brother 229.Severin, are you stupid?

    I never said that John Paul or mother Teresa would ever be in hell. Both of those people love God and love others with as much kindness as possible.

    If a person is sent to hell he will only be there until his sentence is paid off.

    Hell is only temporary, but heaven(eternal paradise) will last FOREVER and eventually heaven is the place where everyone will go as soon as their sins are paid off.

    So in reality, hell doesn’t seem that bad when you consider the fact that everyone will eventually be in Heaven one day.

  240. on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:55 am 240.The messenger said …

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuzari

    The link that is shown above will show you a famous piece of writing that was done by a Jewish philosopher that refers to the Earth a bieng round.

  241. on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:58 am 241.The messenger said …

    Brother severin, I have shown you proof of God.

    Why do you still demiurge the fact that he is real and the afterlife is real as well.

  242. on 31 Jan 2013 at 6:00 am 242.The messenger said …

    In comment 241 Ient to type the word deny instead of demiurge, sorry.

  243. on 31 Jan 2013 at 7:41 am 243.Severin said …

    238 A
    You are making an idiot of yourself again!?
    Well, if you please, why not?
    OK, we got used to it, and it is not bad that possible new posters see whom they are dealing with.

    Pleas continue, show to everyone what a pathological liar you are.

    Where did I say or showed that I was a “man of faith”?
    Liar!

    Don’t you feel uncomfortable while lying SO much?
    Is it pathology?

    It seems that it is.

  244. on 31 Jan 2013 at 7:54 am 244.Severin said …

    234 Solomon

    You are patheticly stupid (or, mayby you are in age of 9, and there is still time to develop your intelligence in some xtent?).
    You have to discuss your problems with Messenger, but it seems that he has his IQ about 70, which is much higher than yours.
    You will have problems in debating with Messenger.

    Go and play with marbles, child, and learn, learn, a lot, maybe, one day, you will reach Messenger’s level of IQ.

  245. on 31 Jan 2013 at 8:04 am 245.The messenger said …

    233.Severin, I am teaching the Catholic befiefs which are also the original Christian beliefs.

    I think that Solomon is either a Methodist or a Lutheran.

  246. on 31 Jan 2013 at 8:08 am 246.The messenger said …

    Brother Solomon, do not misunderstand my previous comment. I have alot of respect for the Protestant branches of Christianity, in fact my mother is methodist.

  247. on 31 Jan 2013 at 12:12 pm 247.s0l0m0n said …

    Severin,

    If your IQ is sooo goooooood, try answer this.

    Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.

    Don’t just know how to rant ((((RUBBISH)))).

  248. on 31 Jan 2013 at 12:38 pm 248.A said …

    “Where did I say or showed that I was a “man of faith”?”

    Sevy! Using hostile language is not necessary. To claim to be such a moral person you are quick to name call and throw out F-bombs. I hope you don’t speak like that in front of kids.! lol!

    First you stated an opinion of which you have no proof to support. That is believing in something by faith. Let me share your words.

    “I explained my OPINION in details. Why should I have to prove it?”

    At least take ownership Sevy. You are Faith-Man!

  249. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:01 pm 249.Lou(DFW) said …

    238.ASS the pathological liar said …

    “I thought atheists believe what can be proven?”

    You can add that misconception to the long list of things that you mistakenly “thought” or, more correctly, to the long list of lies that you post here. Any rational person believes “what can be proven.”

    Atheist means one thing and one thing only: disbelief in god.

  250. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:04 pm 250.Lou(DFW) said …

    248.ASS the pathological liar said …

    “First you stated an opinion of which you have no proof to support. That is believing in something by faith.”

    No, it isn’t. Just as you lie about the meaning of religion and atheist, you now lie about the meaning of faith and opinion.

    ASS, you are a very sad sort.

  251. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:07 pm 251.Lou(DFW) said …

    247.s0l0m0n said …

    “Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.”

    You just demonstrated how ignorant you are about paleontology and why any intelligent discussion with you is impossible.

    Pigeons on the chessboard…

  252. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:13 pm 252.Lou(DFW) said …

    247.s0l0m0n said …

    “Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.”

    Why did you ignore 225.Lou(DFW) said about the catholic church’s acceptance of the truth of evolution? If you ignore that, then why don’t you ignore what they say about god and religion?

  253. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:24 pm 253.Severin said …

    #239
    “I never said that John Paul or mother Teresa would ever be in hell.”

    Neither did I, ever.

    Can’t you read?
    Have problems with understanding written?

    Why am I not surprised?

  254. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:37 pm 254.Severin said …

    # 241
    “Brother severin, I have shown you proof of God.”

    You did not.

    “Why do you still demiurge the fact that he is real and the afterlife is real as well.”

    Can you kindly stop forcing your beliefs on me?
    You told us many times that you believe in god and that god is real, which is good for you, I congratulate you, I applause, I am happy for you, but leave ME alone and keep your beliefs for yourself.
    In this specific case, what is for you a fact, for me is delusion. Period.

    I am not interested, thank you.

  255. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:43 pm 255.Lesbian carwasher said …

    xD
    The messenger is some crazy guy.

    annnnnny way..
    any bronies here?

  256. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:48 pm 256.Severin said …

    #245
    “233.Severin, I am teaching the Catholic befiefs which are also the original Christian beliefs.”

    Again: good for you, I congratulate, I am happy for you, I applouse, … , AND I don’t give a fuck for what you are teaching.
    I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR “TEACHINGS”!
    Capisci?

    “I think that Solomon is either a Methodist or a Lutheran.”

    I am not interested in his “teachings” either.

  257. on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:51 pm 257.Severin said …

    #247
    “Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man …”

    You are SO badly educated!

    No one EVER said that man evolved from ape.

    Someone said here: ask for money back from schools you finished (if any)!
    They really did a bad service for you.

  258. on 31 Jan 2013 at 2:03 pm 258.Severin said …

    #252
    “Why did you ignore 225.Lou(DFW) said about the catholic church’s acceptance of the truth of evolution?”

    Because he is probably not a catholic, and catholic “teaching” is unacceptable for him.
    It seems that they, after all, do not share the same god!

    Let Messenger and Solomon solve their problem!

  259. on 31 Jan 2013 at 2:08 pm 259.Severin said …

    Those people are getting more and more patheticly funny.
    As a compassionate person, I am getting sorry for them, but if they prefer to keep making fools from themselves, let it be so.

    Their problem!

  260. on 31 Jan 2013 at 2:23 pm 260.Anonymous said …

    #247
    “Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man …”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8

    Use Google for others

  261. on 31 Jan 2013 at 3:23 pm 261.Anonymous said …

    258.Severin said … “Let Messenger and Solomon solve their problem!”

    This is good advice. It seems very important to both of these that we make the right choice yet they refuse to settle the debate amongst themselves. Clearly trolling is more important to them than the truth.

    I propose that Messenger and Solomon prove that they are not trolling by having a debate about which god is the true god, and which is the correct path to heaven. This would seem reasonable if they were honest, and the only reason to declare it unacceptable would be if they were trolling.

    Until they agree amongst themselves, it seems a waste of out time to engage them at all.

    Hence, let us simply ignore them both until one of them can declare victory by pointing us to their online debate on a Christian or Muslim forum of their choosing.

  262. on 31 Jan 2013 at 4:17 pm 262.Lou(DFW) said …

    261.Anonymous said …

    “I propose that Messenger and Solomon prove that they are not trolling by having a debate about which god is the true god…”

    143.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Can you (s0l0m0n) answer one simple question – of all the thousands of imaginary gods, which one is the real god?”

  263. on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:22 pm 263.s0l0m0n said …

    Atheists, after not being able to refute God or truth or the evolution HOAX theory resent to labelling theists a troll.((((HELL))))is a just place for them.
    Now they are taking an abrupt about turn by saying man does not evolve from ape.There’s tons of evidence that their godfather Charles Darwin says so.

  264. on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:35 pm 264.s0l0m0n said …

    Anonymous,

    I don’t even have to peek into the lousy sites or youtube to simply refute the atheists bluffs.

    Just provide fossil proofs of the ((((GRADUAL)))) transition from ape to man that must have existed in ((((ABUNDANCE))))) if evolution was true. Now don’t try to run away from the core of the argument.

  265. on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:37 pm 265.Lesbian carwasher said …

    Gentlemen, YOU CANT FIGHT HERE
    THIS IS THE WAR ROOM
    sorry…i had to…

  266. on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:53 pm 266.s0l0m0n said …

    Dear messenger,

    I’am neither a Methodist nor a Lutheran. I’am the subject of the only one true God almighty. God of the heavens and god of the earth.

  267. on 31 Jan 2013 at 10:02 pm 267.A said …

    Nah, torching atheists is more fun. I can understand pretty much any theists. The atheists are much more fun to poke. First they only believe what is proven then they don’t. Then they only want to hear what is proven then they give opinions. In reality they are faith beings like the rest. They tend to be much angrier and humble…lol!!

  268. on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:37 pm 268.alex said …

    “Nah, torching atheists is more fun.”

    you think xtians literally torching other xtians is fun? http://goo.gl/uZdmH

    humble that, motherfucker.

  269. on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:45 pm 269.The messenger said …

    Brother 266.s0l0m0n, I am glad to hear that you speak in the name of God.

  270. on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:57 pm 270.The messenger said …

    173.Lou(DFW), here is proof that carbon is an organic material that is used to make us.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_matter

  271. on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:58 pm 271.The messenger said …

    We are called carbon based life forms for a reason, our bodies are made of carbon.

  272. on 01 Feb 2013 at 12:01 am 272.The messenger said …

    175.DPK, it states in the bible that we where made from dust, due to the fact that a large amount of our body mass is made of carbon I would suspect that the dust that the bible is referring to is carbon.

  273. on 01 Feb 2013 at 12:14 am 273.DPK said …

    175.DPK, it states in the bible that we where made from dust, d

    Actually William, we are made mostly of water. Life on this planet almost certainly originated in water. Why doesn’t the bible, in its all knowing miraculous ness, say god made man out of water?
    Don’t you ever get tired of having to constantly make excuses for god, and for the bible? For example, you say god does not hate homosexuals, but the bible CLEARLY says we should kill them. Why does god tell us to kill those that he loves?

  274. on 01 Feb 2013 at 12:19 am 274.DPK said …

    on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:45 pm 269.The messenger said …
    Brother 266.s0l0m0n, I am glad to hear that you speak in the name of God.

    William, you are such an idiot. Solomon is a fanatic Muslim, and he thinks you are most certainly burn in hell for eternity for professing to believe in Jesus. He is the one who said Mother Theresa is burning in hell right now.
    Furthermore, with respect to YOUR god, he is an atheist too! That’s right, William. Solomon, who you are “glad to hear speak in the name of god” think that your god is completely imaginary and that you worship a FALSE god and will be punished for it.

    How can you possibly be so dumb?

  275. on 01 Feb 2013 at 1:09 am 275.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    In the true religion…God created you from dust, then from a sperm drop.
    That means you are created from dust and water.

  276. on 01 Feb 2013 at 1:34 am 276.alex said …

    from a sperm drop? ha! ha! fucken ha!

  277. on 01 Feb 2013 at 1:46 am 277.DPK said …

    Where did he get the sperm? Wait, maybe I don’t want to know this??
    So, in the Muslim religion, man was created when God jerked himself off in the mud?

    hahahahaha!!!! Well, that explains a lot, and it proves what I always thought… god is a real wanker!

  278. on 01 Feb 2013 at 1:54 am 278.alex said …

    “..God jerked himself off in the mud?”

    he felt so guilty afterwards and he had nothing to wipe with, so he cupped his hand with his godness and sprinkled it with the fairy dust and viola! man!

    after god rested, he felt bad and he then decreed, no wanking for man and it shall be a sin. this is because life begins with the sperm, if you wank, you’re killing life. damn this post.

  279. on 01 Feb 2013 at 4:42 am 279.Lesbian carwasher said …

    well…
    if we are getting technical, sperm, while it contains water, is mostly made from other things…

  280. on 01 Feb 2013 at 6:33 am 280.s0l0m0n said …

    Lc,

    That other things is also made from dust & water.
    Whaaaaa….ka…ka…ka…

  281. on 01 Feb 2013 at 6:49 am 281.s0l0m0n said …

    A was right..

    “Nah, torching atheists is more fun.”

  282. on 01 Feb 2013 at 12:59 pm 282.Lou(DFW) said …

    194.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Todd,

    I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”

    Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?

  283. on 01 Feb 2013 at 3:13 pm 283.Anonymous said …

    “Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?”

    To change his socks, of course.

  284. on 03 Feb 2013 at 7:00 am 284.Matthew said …

    God doesn’t believe in atheists.

  285. on 03 Feb 2013 at 7:12 am 285.s0l0m0n said …

    Atheists are the fuels of ((((HELL)))).

  286. on 03 Feb 2013 at 6:36 pm 286.Lou (DFW) said …

    237.Lou(DFW) said …

    194.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Todd,

    I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”

    Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?

  287. on 03 Feb 2013 at 7:25 pm 287.The messenger said …

    Brother 273.DPK, the bible is not all knowing. God is all knowing.

  288. on 03 Feb 2013 at 8:12 pm 288.Anonymous said …

    Lou, it’s worth repeating your question so as to underscore Crum’s hypocritical position:

    The question he’s avoiding was:

    Crum, is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?

    If yes, then please provide its location and its actual contents.

  289. on 04 Feb 2013 at 1:11 am 289.DPK said …

    And while you’re at it. let’s remind everyone that Crum’s OTHER sock persona, Burebista has failed to answer THIS simple question, even though he has been asked at least 5 times.
    Do you agree this statement is true?
    “[D]id you know that you are pre-approved for a free blessing right now? The Bible tells me so. If you have a need in your life, Jesus Christ can fix it — no strings attached.”

    Why is it so difficult for them to answer even the simplest questions about their faith? Almost makes you think that they have something about their belief in god that they are embarrassed about.

  290. on 04 Feb 2013 at 1:23 am 290.DPK said …

    287.The messenger said …

    Brother 273.DPK, the bible is not all knowing. God is all knowing.

    Isn’t the bible the word of god?
    You’re such an idiot… why do you constantly have to make excuses for your god, William? If god is all knowing, and the bible is god’s word, why is it wrong about so many things?

  291. on 04 Feb 2013 at 2:53 am 291.Anonymous said …

    “Why is it so difficult for them to answer even the simplest questions about their faith? Almost makes you think that they have something about their belief in god that they are embarrassed about.”

    Because the only way they can defend their faith is to ensure that no-one is allowed to ask any questions about it.

    Wouldn’t you be embarrassed if you had to admit that your best friend was the equivalent of a comfort-blanket to a group of illiterate and uneducated bronze-age goat herders?

  292. on 04 Feb 2013 at 3:24 am 292.The messenger said …

    Brother 290.DPK, the bible only contains the information that mankind needs to know.
    The bible is a moral guide for mankind, and a history book that records infotmation about many of the prophets and our Father too.

  293. on 04 Feb 2013 at 3:25 am 293.The messenger said …

    291.Anonymous, I have answered many of your questions.

  294. on 04 Feb 2013 at 3:27 am 294.The messenger said …

    DPK, the bible is not wrong.

    It is the word of Jesus and it is perfect.

  295. on 04 Feb 2013 at 6:53 am 295.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    “If god is all knowing, and the bible is god’s word, why is it wrong about so many things?”

    This is clear cut.

    The Bible is the twisted version of truth,manipulated by the Christians scholars.

    But there’s one true book that never contradicts.

    Sorry messenger, it’s hard but I have to tell the truth.

  296. on 04 Feb 2013 at 10:53 am 296.Lesbian carwasher said …

    /\ this is why ;D

  297. on 04 Feb 2013 at 4:17 pm 297.DPK said …

    295.s0l0m0n said …

    “The Bible is the twisted version of truth,manipulated by the Christians scholars.”

    Why should we believe you, instead of messenger?

    Messenger, how do you feel about that? Solomon says your bible is not the perfect word of god. He says it is lies and that your god is a false god. You have praised him in the past for believing in god and spreading his word. But, with respect to YOUR god.. Jesus and the Hebrew god of the bible, Solomon is atheist too. He doesn’t believe YOUR god is real either.

    So, what is more important? Is it better to believe in ANY god at all rather than no gods? Is that it?

  298. on 04 Feb 2013 at 5:28 pm 298.Lou(DFW) said …

    262.Lou(DFW) said …

    143.Lou(DFW) said …
    “Can you (s0l0m0n) answer one simple question – of all the thousands of imaginary gods, which one is the real god?”

    Can you or can’t answer a simple question, or are you simply a troll as is messenger?

  299. on 04 Feb 2013 at 5:30 pm 299.Lou(DFW) said …

    297.DPK said …

    “So, what is more important? Is it better to believe in ANY god at all rather than no gods? Is that it?”

    236.Lou(DFW) said …

    “EVERY theist is an atheist except for their particular imaginary god. They disbelieve in EVERY SINGLE ONE of ALL THE OTHER IMAGINARY GODS that atheists disbelieve in, except one. For them, atheists are absolutely correct in being atheists for all imaginary gods except theirs – even though they have absolutely no more evidence for their imaginary god than do all the other theists. Such is the power of delusion.”

  300. on 04 Feb 2013 at 6:22 pm 300.DPK said …

    It always struck me as very odd that the majority of religious people are WAY more tolerant of other different religions than they are of those who profess none. Seems strange that they would rather someone believe in a completely different god rather than none at all, even though both positions imply that their particular god is completely imaginary.
    Yet. they preach “tolerance” of the conflicting theistic view, but abhorrence for the atheistic view, even though for all practical purposes, they are the same.
    Thank you Solomon and Messenger, for making the utter insanity of ALL religions so abundantly clear.

  301. on 04 Feb 2013 at 6:59 pm 301.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    “Why should we believe you, instead of messenger?”

    You can check & compare between the true book and the bible, that’s why you should believe me coz I bring nothing other than the truth.You can debate on any subject and at the end of the day you can never win against truth.

    Your attempt to antagonize me with messenger is a lousy try.Soon messenger will find truth through my constant coaching.And not believing in messenger’s god does’nt make me an atheists.

  302. on 04 Feb 2013 at 7:06 pm 302.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW),

    I have a simple answer and I’ve said it many times but you are so dumb to accept it.

    Of all the “gods” there is only one real true God that is God Almighty, god of the heavens and god of the earth.Let me KIV his name first. It will be much more fun…

  303. on 04 Feb 2013 at 7:34 pm 303.Anonymous said …

    Solomon and Messenger are both trolls. If either had even the smallest amount of integrity they’d be engaging the other to demonstrate the truth of their words. But they both lack the capacity for honest intention.

  304. on 04 Feb 2013 at 8:18 pm 304.A said …

    Mousy is such a joy. Her only capacity is to wash socks and label all others trolls. With her impressive list of accomplishments (lol!) she passes judgment on all others.

    She is a atheist version of TMZ. Careful mousey, you might let a belief slip out then you would be forced to learn the scientific method.

  305. on 04 Feb 2013 at 8:48 pm 305.Anonymous said …

    We always know when we’ve rattled Horatio’s cage, as he fires up one of his sock-puppets in order to throw out his childish insults. Enter sock-puppet “A”

    Now that you are back as A, and that you are ready for me to expose you as a sock-puppet again, let’s remind everyone of your nonsense.

    “A”, seeing as that’s your name of the day, we are still waiting on you to stop being a hypocrite and provide your credentials and your real name. You’ve challenged others to do so, let’s see you prove your claim to be a … don’t laugh everyone, he claims to be an Astrophysicist. (That’s why people call him Ass. That and his intellect and behavior).

    When you have done that, you can provide evidence that passes scientific muster for the existence of your imaginary friend.

    Away you go. Ass.

  306. on 04 Feb 2013 at 9:29 pm 306.A said …

    Point proven right on cue! Lol! Thank you darling! A little attention was all you needed.

  307. on 04 Feb 2013 at 9:35 pm 307.Anonymous said …

    Messenger and Solomon. Please show us which of you represents the one true god. If one if real and one is false, the other should submit.

  308. on 04 Feb 2013 at 9:49 pm 308.DPK said …

    This is true,
    They cannot both be right… but they can both be wrong. hmmmmmm
    D

  309. on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:00 pm 309.Lou(DFW) said …

    302.s0l0m0n said …

    “Let me KIV his name first. It will be much more fun…”

    Yes, it’s more fun for you to troll than to actually engage in an honest discussion.

  310. on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:07 pm 310.Severin said …

    301 Solomon
    “Soon messenger will find truth through my constant coaching.”

    Messenger, are you going to become a Muslim?
    Will ou reject Bible and accept Koran?

    Or, will you try to convert Solomon to Christianity?

  311. on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:29 pm 311.The messenger said …

    307.Annoymous, we both represent him.

  312. on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:37 pm 312.The messenger said …

    Brother 310.Serveren, I will never convert to Islam. I have told you that I believe Islam has been corrupted by hate and greed of land.

    I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I just do not agree with their belief system. I love all people, no matter what religion they have, but I will not support the Islamic belief system due to the countless terrorist attacks on the innocent in the name of Islam.

    I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I am just not very fond of their belief system.

  313. on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:45 pm 313.The messenger said …

    Brother 295.s0l0m0n, the bible is not flawed or corrupt in anyway, it and the Torah are the two true perfect words of God. The Torah is unfinished due to the fact that it does not yet include the New Testament.

  314. on 05 Feb 2013 at 12:01 am 314.DPK said …

    Soon messenger will find truth through my constant coaching.And not believing in messenger’s god does’nt make me an atheists.

    Yes it does. You don’t believe in messenger’s god any more than I do. Therefore, with respect to messenger’s god, you are atheist. You do not believe he exists.
    You have about as much chance of convincing anyone here of anything except your insanity as ASS has of convincing anyone he is a capital “A” Astrophysicist. Which is exactly zero. Solomon, even the crazy ass Christians here think you’re a nut job? Do you really think you are doing your religion a favor here? You have done more to harm the image of Islam in the eyes of he infidels than anyone since 9-11.
    Hahahaha…. You’re such a doofus.

  315. on 05 Feb 2013 at 2:52 am 315.The messenger said …

    Brother 301.s0l0m0n, are you Jewish or Islamic?
    Just wondering.

  316. on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:31 am 316.Lou(DFW) said …

    304.ASS said …

    “Her only capacity is to wash socks and label all others trolls. With her impressive list of accomplishments (lol!) she passes judgment on all others.”

    I see you do it over and over and over, and I ask again – ASS, can you not control your pathological lying?

    And nobody cares about anyone’s “list of accomplishments.” But there is one thing that you will NEVER, EVER accomplish – production of evidence for your imaginary god.

  317. on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:34 am 317.The messenger said …

    Brother Solomon, do not listen to DPK.

    Keep spreading our father’s word.

  318. on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:36 am 318.The messenger said …

    Brother 316.Lou(DFW), we have shown you proof of God.

  319. on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:37 am 319.The messenger said …

    on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:37 pm 312.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    Brother 310.Serveren, I will never convert to Islam. I have told you that I believe Islam has been corrupted by hate and greed of land.
    I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I just do not agree with their belief system. I love all people, no matter what religion they have, but I will not support the Islamic belief system due to the countless terrorist attacks on the innocent in the name of Islam.
    I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I am just not very fond of their belief system.

  320. on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:37 am 320.The messenger said …

    on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:45 pm 313.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    Brother 295.s0l0m0n, the bible is not flawed or corrupt in anyway, it and the Torah are the two true perfect words of God. The Torah is unfinished due to the fact that it does not yet include the New Testament.

  321. on 05 Feb 2013 at 4:56 am 321.Anonymous said …

    If Ass doesn’t like being called out for trolling and sock-puppeting all he has to do is produce evidence for his god instead of his constant sniping and attempts to derail meaningful conversation. What a loser.

    As it is, his latest “contribution” is designed to distract from the call for our Muslim troll and our Christian troll to prove that one of them is telling the truth.

    So far, from the lack of response, it’s obvious that all are liars and trolls. What a surprise.

  322. on 05 Feb 2013 at 5:29 am 322.The messenger said …

    321.Anonymous, we have provided proof.

  323. on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:18 am 323.s0l0m0n said …

    I’am the truth. Atheists are liars.

    Who create the 1st. design of things?

    Answer this if you atheists are the man of truth.

  324. on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:35 am 324.s0l0m0n said …

    If you atheists fail to answer it correctly or truthfully then you will remain among the stupid lots!!

  325. on 05 Feb 2013 at 1:08 pm 325.Lou(DFW) said …

    323.s0l0m0n said …

    “I’am the truth. Atheists are liars.”

    By definition, rejection of your belief cannot be a lie. Therefore, your claim is a lie.

    “Who create the 1st. design of things?”

    There’s no evidence of any “who” as you suggest.

    “Answer this if you atheists are the man of truth.”

    OK, my answer is that there is no creator as you suggest.

    But, your demanding questions of we who make no claim about god are irrelevant diversions the the undeniable fact that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god – one that you are obviously ashamed to claim by name.

  326. on 05 Feb 2013 at 1:09 pm 326.Lou(DFW) said …

    324.s0l0m0n said …

    “If you atheists fail to answer it correctly or truthfully then you will remain among the stupid lots!!”

    LOL! Says the guy who won’t even admit in which imaginary god he believes or which religion he follows.

  327. on 05 Feb 2013 at 2:27 pm 327.Anonymous said …

    So, when pressed to explain their his so-called-god is the true one as opposed to the other person’s so-called-god, the trolls refuse to answer.

    Losers.

  328. on 05 Feb 2013 at 4:38 pm 328.Lou(DFW) said …

    323.s0l0m0n said …

    “I’am the truth.”

    “Answer this if you…are the man of truth.”

    If YOU are a man of truth, then answer this – which is your specific god and which is your specific religion?

    If you don’t answer, then YOU are not a “man of truth,” and you are exposed for what you are – a fraud and a troll.

  329. on 05 Feb 2013 at 4:44 pm 329.Lou(DFW) said …

    194.Lou(DFW) said …on 30 Jan 2013 at 2:33 am

    “Todd,

    I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”

    Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?

    Interestingly enough, Todd also disappeared.

  330. on 05 Feb 2013 at 4:55 pm 330.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW),

    ‘“Who create the 1st. design of things?”

    There’s no evidence of any “who” as you suggest.’

    If I ask another question….
    Who create that car?

    Your answer will be as if nobody create that car.Everything must be created except God.That’s a reasoning fact.

    You are not only a ((((LIAR)))) but also a ((((condemn fool)))). You will inherit ((((HELL)))).

  331. on 05 Feb 2013 at 6:09 pm 331.DPK said …

    “Your answer will be as if nobody create that car.Everything must be created except God.That’s a reasoning fact.”

    That’s not a “reasoning fact”.. that’s an unfounded claim. Why does “everything MUST be created EXCEPT god”? Because you said so? Why must “everything” have a creator, but not god? In other words, if you can accept that your imaginary god did not have a creator, why can you not accept that perhaps something else did not have a creator either?

    Your answer violates its own premise, you doofus. Besides, if your god created “everything” then what did messenger’s god do? Nothing?

  332. on 05 Feb 2013 at 6:18 pm 332.Todd said …

    I did not disappear. I am reading what people say. I just don’t have anything to say at the time. I doubt anyting anyone says can change what people believe.

  333. on 05 Feb 2013 at 7:26 pm 333.Lou(DFW) said …

    330.s0l0m0n said …

    I answered your questions that you asked in 323.s0l0m0n said ….

    But being the cowardly fraud that you are, you didn’t answer my questions about your faith, namely:

    If YOU are a man of truth, then answer this – which is your specific god and which is your specific religion?

    Therefore, you have been exposed as a fraud and a troll, just as Crum was.

  334. on 05 Feb 2013 at 7:39 pm 334.Lou(DFW) said …

    332.Todd said …

    “I did not disappear.”

    Yes, in effect, you disappeared since you were challenged in:

    215.DPK said …

    209.Lou(DFW) said …

    205.Severin said …

    194.Lou(DFW) said …

    And I only listed those comments that had actual questions to which you failed to reply. I omitted the other comments that were replies without actual questions, but to which you also failed to reply.

    Todd, what happened to your buddy, Crum? Was he not exposed as the fraud that he is? He did exactly what I said he would do.

  335. on 05 Feb 2013 at 7:51 pm 335.Lou(DFW) said …

    330.s0l0m0n said …

    “Lou(DFW),

    You are not only a ((((LIAR))))”

    Show me where I lied.

  336. on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:02 pm 336.Curmudgeon said …

    Todd,

    Pay the taunts of Lou, anonymous no mind. This is part their playground antics. They don’t yet realize most of us are busy while they have nothing better to do.

    Perhaps if they presented so valid debate points it might be a more worthwhile endeavor but alas they are more concerned with “gotcha” and saving face.

  337. on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:34 pm 337.Lou(DFW) said …

    “336.Curmudgeon said …

    “Todd,”

    HA-HA-HA! After days of absence, Crum and Todd suddenly and miraculously reappear within minutes of each other.

    Crum/Todd, you’re such a tool!

    Oh, and by the way, Crum/Todd:

    194.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Crum, is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?

    If yes, then please provide its location and its actual contents.

    If Crum is not a fraud, then he will directly answer both questions. But he is a fraud, so he will not answer both, and most probably will not answer either.

    “Or, he will disappear and one of his sock-puppets will suddenly join the conversation.

    Or, Todd, you are and Crum are one and the same.”

  338. on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:36 pm 338.Lou(DFW) said …

    336.Crum said …

    “Perhaps if they presented so valid debate points…”

    Such as your alleged god-given absolute moral code?

    “…it might be a more worthwhile endeavor but alas…”

    Obviously, for you, it’s not a “worthwhile endeavor” to present your alleged god-given absolute moral code – FRAUD.

  339. on 05 Feb 2013 at 9:17 pm 339.Anon said …

    It’s very simple, christards are fucked up in the head.

  340. on 06 Feb 2013 at 12:10 am 340.Lou (DFW) said …

    336.Crum said …

    “They don’t yet realize most of us are busy while they have nothing better to do.”

    Crum is busy – too busy to provide evidence for his imaginary god or provide his alleged god-given moral code, but he’s not too busy to have sock-puppet conversations with himself in a vain attempt to defend himself for his lack of integrity.

  341. on 06 Feb 2013 at 1:31 am 341.s0l0m0n said …

    DPK,

    “Your answer violates its own premise, you doofus.”

    No….not so….
    What I say is true and it will always be.
    Why did I say everything must be created except God.

    God can’t be created coz’ God is equivalent to ((((nothing))).

    How can nothing be created you (((FOOL))).

  342. on 06 Feb 2013 at 1:44 am 342.Curmudgeon said …

    HA Ha HA, Todd now you are a sock. Congratulations!

    One thing you will find, if you spend any time here, is A-Mouse and Lou are OCD about Socks and something called “evidence” which the are completely clueless about.

    I like to sit back and watch them in their native habitat. Take notes on how often they attack Christians, their own (who they confuse for Christians), call someone liar and talk about Socks! I think Lou and A-Mouse are both out of work.

    Messenger and Solomon, I hear tell you are up for sock-hood too. Keep up the good work.

  343. on 06 Feb 2013 at 2:08 am 343.MrQ said …

    Cur,
    Since you are the expert on “evidence”, why don’t you reveal what you’ve got? You have been playing the cards close the the vest – time to show your hand. What’s that? All you’ve got is a poker face….All sizzle and no steak, big hat and no cattle….we get the picture.

  344. on 06 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am 344.Lou(DFW) said …

    341.Crum said …

    “A-Mouse and Lou are OCD about Socks and something called “evidence” which the are completely clueless about.”

    Yes, we’re all “clueless” about your evidence because you don’t have any.

    For the purpose of this comment, let’s assume you are correct. Let’s forget about “evidence.” Simply provide your alleged god-given absolute moral code. You STILL have not done that, and you won’t, because you are a liar and fraud.

    “I like to sit back and watch them in their native habitat.”

    That’s all you can do because you can’t add anything of substance to the conversation.

    “I think Lou and A-Mouse are both out of work.”

    Who cares what you think about our “work?” We only only care what you can add to the conversation.

    Now back to demonstrating that you are a fraud.

    Is there or is there not a god-given absolute moral code?

    If there is one, then what is it?

    Unless you answer one or both of those question, then you remain, as previously demonstrated, a fraud.

  345. on 06 Feb 2013 at 3:39 am 345.The messenger said …

    on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:37 am 319.The messenger said …
    on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:37 pm 312.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    Brother 310.Serveren, I will never convert to Islam. I have told you that I believe Islam has been corrupted by hate and greed of land.
    I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I just do not agree with their belief system. I love all people, no matter what religion they have, but I will not support the Islamic belief system due to the countless terrorist attacks on the innocent in the name of Islam.
    I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I am just not very fond of their belief system.

    The bible and the Torah are the two perfect religious texts. The Korran is not one of them.

  346. on 06 Feb 2013 at 6:29 am 346.s0l0m0n said …

    I don’t know what sort of evidence the atheists are nagging for. Actually they have no substance to refute God. All the evidence are around them. Even if they want evidence of God to appear in front of their eyes, they would not be able to recognize him coz’ God is equivalent to nothing.

    Whaaaa….ka…ka…ka….

  347. on 06 Feb 2013 at 10:41 am 347.alex said …

    ‘Since you are the expert on “evidence”..’

    who the fuck is the expert here? that evidence shit you keep trotting out is nothing but bullshit. even your fellow morons cannot even agree on the color of your own bullshit. allah is this, jesus is that, budda is fat, zeus smells, blah and more blah.

    what’s my contribution? on my tablet, i pointed out to the gay dude volunteering at the salvation army, about the army’s stance on homosexuality and he promptly quit. just pointed it out, that’s all.

  348. on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:29 am 348.alex said …

    “Actually they have no substance to refute God.”

    you got any substance to refute that the goddess linda lovelace created the universe? wake up and see the bullshit, you dumbass.

  349. on 06 Feb 2013 at 12:14 pm 349.Lou(DFW) said …

    346.s0l0m0n said …

    “I don’t know what sort of evidence the atheists are nagging for.”

    We don’t want any evidence from you.

    But being the cowardly fraud that you are, you didn’t answer my questions about your faith, namely:

    If YOU are a man of truth, then answer this – which is your specific god and which is your specific religion?

    But you don’t answer. Therefore, you have been exposed as a fraud and a troll, just as Crum was.

  350. on 06 Feb 2013 at 12:54 pm 350.A said …

    Solomon,

    They don’t know what evidence they are looking for either. I have challenged them on it and they cannot come to consensus.

    Take their religion which is neo-Darwinism. Ask them to prove man evolved from the primordial soup and provide proof using the scientific method. They refuse to do so. They cannot achieve what they ask you to do. However they call this fact.

    Then ask them to provide their background that gives them them the qualifications to rule on the evidence for God. They refuse to provide this as well.

    They are only bored young men who want to argue constantly. I would call them frauds but that implies they represent something.

  351. on 06 Feb 2013 at 1:06 pm 351.Lou(DFW) said …

    350.ASS said …

    “Take their religion which is neo-Darwinism.”

    Your repetitive, diversionary lies have become soooooooo tiresome.

    For the moment, forget about “evidence.”

    If you can for one single instant be an honest person, then please provide the god-given absolute moral code that you claim exists. You don’t have to provide evidence that it’s god-given. Simply give us the code. Unless you do, it’s further proof that you are nothing but a lying fraud.

  352. on 06 Feb 2013 at 2:07 pm 352.s0l0m0n said …

    Dear A,

    Lou(DFW) doesn’t stop nagging for my faith. He is actually hijacking time by not able to answer most of my doctrine questions.They are willingly ready to submit themselves to (((HELL))) rather than admit they have been wrong all along or have been swayed from the true path due to sins or boastfulness.

  353. on 06 Feb 2013 at 2:13 pm 353.MrQ said …

    A, the idiot, claims:

    prove man evolved from the primordial soup

    You’re confusing abiogenesis with evolution….again.
    *sigh* Let’s try this again. Remember you and your “lost in the woods” friend Castbound? The three of us tried to get a dialog going and (like this thread inevitably will) the conversation abruptly ended.

    Maybe we should examine the Theory of Evolution. Find out how a religiously inspired pro-evolution sites such as biologos.org can simultaneously support both your xtian mind spasm and real science. Sheesh…dead thread alert.

  354. on 06 Feb 2013 at 4:13 pm 354.Lou(DFW) said …

    342.Crum said …

    “Messenger and Solomon, I hear tell you are up for sock-hood too. Keep up the good work.”

    The messenger said …

    “God created the ansestors of the animals that we know of in this time period, and over time God made some of his creations evolve into different species.”

    Crum, mess claims that macro-evolution is true.

    Care to correct him?

  355. on 06 Feb 2013 at 5:50 pm 355.Lou(DFW) said …

    352.s0l0m0n said …

    “Lou(DFW) doesn’t stop nagging for my faith. He is actually hijacking time by not able to answer most of my doctrine questions.”

    Liar, I answered everyone of YOUR questions about god and religion. You don’t answer mine. Such is the mind of a delusional theist.

  356. on 06 Feb 2013 at 5:59 pm 356.Lou(DFW) said …

    350.ASS said …

    “I would call them frauds but that implies they represent something.”

    Oh boy, it’s ASS’ all too familiar “I know you are but what am I?” defense.

    What you would call anybody is irrelevant.

    There is one and ONLY ONE thing that atheists represent here – disbelief in your imaginary god. Atheists per se don’t represent science, biology, origins, morality, or any other of a number of topics that you and you sock-puppets and fellow theists fraudulently introduce into the discussion to divert attention from one simple, absolute fact – that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god.

  357. on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:22 pm 357.Curmudgeon said …

    “Lou(DFW) doesn’t stop nagging for my faith.”

    That is all lou can do, He wants you to come out with claims so he can make fun of it. He likes to put on yuck-fest with his blog buddies.

    It is all this little guy has in his life. Notice how he is very careful to not make a single truth statement on neo-darwinism or to answer any question you pose to him? Things like morality, origins, metaphysics and epistemology completely eviscerates his little mind.

    Sorry I responded to you Solomon. You will now be called a sock! They are so predictable.

  358. on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:33 pm 358.alex said …

    “make a single truth statement on neo-darwinism”

    who gives a flying fuck about your typical lame diversion? here’s the drill: article is posted. you morons start making up excuses. excuses are shot down. you attack atheists attributes. you generalize about atheists. you asks atheists about the shit you just generalized. that’s all you fuckers do. when atheists refuse, you whine->”atheists refuse to answer”->”atheists don’t take a stand”->”atheists are full of shit”…but you never bring anything to refute the article. just more fucken bullshit.

  359. on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:50 pm 359.Lou(DFW) said …

    357.Crum said …

    “Notice how he is very careful to not make a single truth statement…”

    Notice how you NEVER, EVER provide any evidence to support your claims about your imaginary god.

    To wit:

    Crum, is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?

    If yes, then please provide its location and its actual contents.

    If Crum is not a fraud, then he will directly answer both questions. But he is a fraud, so he will not answer both, and most probably will not answer either.

    “…on neo-darwinism or to answer any question you pose to him? Things like morality, origins, metaphysics and epistemology completely eviscerates his little mind.”

    Crum, those topics are not part of the purpose of this blog, and you know it. You and your ilk use them as diversions to avoid discussing the actual topics – god and religion. I have no desire to discuss those things here because there are other blogs and forums for discussion of them, and you know it.

    Why are you such a weasel?

  360. on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:54 pm 360.Lou(DFW) said …

    357.Crum said …

    “Things like morality, origins, metaphysics and epistemology completely eviscerates his little mind.”

    Eviscerates? LOL!

    For the purposes of this discussion, let’s assume that’s true. How does that give you cause to refuse answer a simple question about your alleged god-given moral code? It’s a simple question with a simple answer, unless you answer otherwise, then the answer is that it doesn’t exist and that you are simply lying about it.

  361. on 07 Feb 2013 at 12:10 am 361.DPK said …

    357.Crum said …
    “Notice how he is very careful to not make a single truth statement…”

    This, coming from the person from whom it took a full week of asking about the specific properties of his god would admit nothing more than that god was a “somewhat clever, kind of powerful” being. Now THAT is rich!

    Curm and Burbee, give a whole new level to the idea of hypocrisy.

  362. on 07 Feb 2013 at 12:29 am 362.Lou(DFW) said …

    361.DPK said …

    “Curm and Burbee, give a whole new level to the idea of hypocrisy.”

    And we don’t need no stinkin’ god-given code to determine it!

  363. on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:22 am 363.s0l0m0n said …

    The atheists are nagging for our faith or some sort of absolute moral code, which is not so relevant to a more important or crucial discussions on faith just to make it seems like that theists aren’t responding to their question. Your tricks are busted.

  364. on 07 Feb 2013 at 1:11 pm 364.Lou(DFW) said …

    363.s0l0m0n said …

    “The atheists are nagging for our faith or some sort of absolute moral code, which is not so relevant to a more important or crucial discussions on faith…”

    Hello? It was THEISTS here, not atheists, who introduced the subject of a god-given moral code.

    “…just to make it seems like that theists aren’t responding to their question.”

    LOL! Make it seem?! You actually DON”T answer!

  365. on 07 Feb 2013 at 1:30 pm 365.Martin said …

    “It was THEISTS here, not atheists, who introduced the subject of a god-given moral code.”

    Prove it. Provide a quote.

    Then provide us with the atheists moral code without changing the subject.

  366. on 07 Feb 2013 at 2:24 pm 366.Lou(DFW) said …

    Let’s have a little fun with ASS/Martin/Mitch…

  367. on 07 Feb 2013 at 2:51 pm 367.Lou(DFW) said …

    365.Martin said …

    “Prove it. Provide a quote.”

    LOL! Now you want ME, an atheist, to prove for you that atheists, not theists introduced the idea that their imaginary god issued an absolute moral code? Are you now implying that there isn’t a god-given absolute moral code unless I prove it to you?

    “Then provide us with the atheists moral code without changing the subject.”

    How many times must we explain it to you? There is no “atheists moral code!”

  368. on 07 Feb 2013 at 3:17 pm 368.Martin said …

    “you want ME, an atheist, to prove for you that atheists, not theists introduced the idea that their imaginary god issued an absolute moral code?”

    No, I wanted you to prove theists introduced the idea.

    Lou was hoping to have some fun. He proceeded on to google to find a quote which he felt certain he would fine and then he could not. Now, he comes back with nothing to offer.

    Lou, if there is no atheist moral code how do atheist determine what is right and wrong? How can they claim another is evil or wrong as they do on a regular basis without a moral code?

  369. on 07 Feb 2013 at 3:57 pm 369.alex said …

    “No, I wanted you to prove theists introduced the idea.”

    ok. you win. atheists are full of shit about god’s moral code. 1 point for you.

    does it exist? god’s moral code and where is it?

  370. on 07 Feb 2013 at 4:09 pm 370.Lou(DFW) said …

    368.ASS/Martin/Mitch said …

    “No, I wanted you to prove theists introduced the idea.”

    Do you also want me to prove that atheists introduced the idea of god? Theists introduced the idea of imaginary god and his alleged code. By definition, atheists cannot do that.

    “Lou, if there is no atheist moral code how do atheist determine what is right and wrong?”

    Society and individuals “determine what is right and wrong,” not some alleged god-given absolute moral code.

    “How can they claim another is evil or wrong as they do on a regular basis without a moral code?”

    The same way that you do – “they” decide on their own, not by using a non-existent imaginary god-given moral code. However, all of this discussion about morals is irrelevant unless you can produce your imaginary god-given absolute moral code. It’s similar to discussing who’s the better captain, Kirk or Picard, because neither of them exist. Discussing your imaginary god-given absolute moral code v. “atheist moral code” is the same because neither of them exist.

  371. on 07 Feb 2013 at 5:41 pm 371.Severin said …

    #363
    “The atheists are nagging for our faith …”

    OUR faith?
    So, your faith IS equivqlent to A’s, Messenger’s, Curmudgeon’s, …’s?
    Didn’t you say their faith was a bullshit compared to yours?

    “… just to make it seems like that theists aren’t responding to their question.”

    It is possible that we missed theist’s answers.
    Now, to avoid any further missunderstanding, here is a simple direct question for you:

    Where can I find and read the god given absolute moral code?

  372. on 07 Feb 2013 at 5:41 pm 372.Martin said …

    “Society and individuals “determine what is right and wrong,” not some alleged god-given absolute moral code.”

    That’s good Lou but we have some major issues here. Does that mean killing a woman for showing her face is an immoral act? What about an killing an atheist for being an atheist? or a Christian for converting from Islam? These are morally acceptable killings?

    As for individuals, does every man decide for himself? If this is true, how is anything immoral?

  373. on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:16 pm 373.MrQ said …

    Martin, with some doozies:

    Does that mean killing a woman for showing her face is an immoral act? What about an killing an atheist for being an atheist? or a Christian for converting from Islam? These are morally acceptable killings?

    These sound like issues that theists grapple with. Also include, keeping slaves, beating women, fucking your kin, bombing the abortion clinic, flying the plane into the building, etc, etc.

    Since humans have existed for hundreds of thousands of years WITHOUT the need of formulating god concepts, when did the sudden need of YOUR subjective morality become of paramount importance?

    Martin/A/Cur/Hor sound like the kids that ate from the glue bottles in school. Often arriving with their underpants on the outside of their clothes. You know, the “special needs” students. Not judging, just observing.

  374. on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:18 pm 374.DPK said …

    “That’s good Lou but we have some major issues here. Does that mean killing a woman for showing her face is an immoral act?”

    You mean like some Muslims, following their particular god given moral code believe?
    Certainly not. I take it you agree?

    How about killing homosexuals? I take you you also find that morally wrong? But according to your god’s instructions, written plain as day in his holy book.. it is not? Same with capturing and holding slaves. Morally ok according to your god.

    Ok, let’s forget the old testament problems you wish to ignore. Is it ok to kill an enemy in wartime? Is it ok to kill someone to prevent him harming others? Is it ok to execute murderers?
    How do you know? What is the “absolute” moral code that lets YOU decide when you can kill someone or when you cannot? Time to put up or shut up Martin. Show us where you have ANYTHING that doesn’t require YOU to make a moral judgement.
    I’ll save you the time… you can’t, because it doesn’t exist.
    Despite this, most civilized people seem to agree on major points of what is moral and what is not… BUT there ARE situations where reasonable, moral people can disagree. This is because absolute morality is a myth.

    Now, if you wish to prove me wrong, it will be simple enough to do. Show us this absolute moral code, show us that it is indeed absolute, show us that it indeed came from a supreme being, and show us how it is superior.

    Since you can’t… please shut the fuck up.

  375. on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:51 pm 375.40 Year Atheist said …

    Atheist Ethical Law Makers

    The “Good Without God” concept has taken a body blow. The American Atheist organization is instituting a non-relativistic law of behavior for Atheists who don’t seem to know how to behave. It seems that Free Thinkers are also pretty free with their behaviors, especially toward the opposite sex. Here is an article from the Examiner on Free Wheeling Free Thinkers:

    American Atheists is instituting a Code of Conduct after recent complaints of harassment at various events including inappropriate and aggressive behavior, particularly against women. President of American Atheists David Silverman had the following to say in reference to the code.

    “The Code of Conduct will allow all conference attendees to know that American Atheists’ events are safe, fun and informative. We want people to enjoy themselves but know there will be consequences for harmful behaviors.

    Anyone attending events are asked to comply with the rules which include no touching without asking, no racist, homophobic or other stereotypical speech.

    Todd Stiefel of the Stiefel Freethought Foundation described the situation by saying:

    “There are stories of people being relentlessly propositioned, groped under tables, threatened with rape, stealthily photographed for voyeuristic pornography, and many other transgressions. Even if any of the specific cases were unintentional, misconstrued, or dubious, the fact that so many of them are coming to light should concern all of us.

    The source of the harassment is unknown as to whether skeptics are instigating it or visitors but regardless they are letting people know it will not be tolerated. Much of the harassment according to Stiefel is from men harassing women but he cautions men can be on the receiving end to as he was at one time.

    The AA includes “consequences” for infractions, apparently. But a quick visit to their website doesn’t lead directly to any indication of a “Code of Conduct”, much less any consequences for misconduct. What is easily found, however, is a long article on ethics which concludes thus:

    “The task of moral education, then, is not to inculcate by rote great lists of do’s and don’ts, but rather to help people to predict the consequences of actions being considered. What are the long-term as well as immediate rewards and draw-backs of the acts? Will an act increase or decrease one’s chances of experiencing the hedonic triad of love, beauty, and creativity?”

    What? No do’s and don’ts, just calculating the potential success of hedonic reward? Why that’s exactly what the boys were after in their own immature and socially retarded fashions: hedonic reward. Remember, there’s no good or bad, there’s only success and failure: it’s all right there in the textbooks on evolution. So Free Thinkers who are Thinking Freely are now “bad” for some unknown ethical determination which is not part of Free Thought or Atheism.

    As for Consequences, what is AA going to provide as punishment? Revoking the incorrigible’s right to purchase “A” tee shirts at the AA web-store? Short of reporting infractions to the police (they apparently did not, just like the Catholic Church), AA has no consequences to dole out. It is perfectly possible to be an Atheist without AA.

    The final paragraph of the AA article on Ethics is this:

    “Thus it happens, when the Atheist approaches the problem of finding natural grounds for human morals and establishing a nonsuperstitious basis for behavior, that it appears as though nature has already solved the problem to a great extent. Indeed, it appears as though the problem of establishing a natural, humanistic basis for ethical behavior is not much of a problem at all. It is in our natures to desire love, to seek beauty, and to thrill at the act of creation. The labyrinthine complexity we see when we examine traditional moral codes does not arise of necessity: it is largely the result of vain attempts to accommodate human needs and nature to the whimsical totems and taboos of the demons and deities who emerged with us from our cave-dwellings at the end of the Paleolithic Era – and have haunted our houses ever since.”

    It appears that nature alone doesn’t work for Atheists these days; apparently they need rules in order to know how to behave. So AA has stepped up with its list of taboos

  376. on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:56 pm 376.Lou(DFW) said …

    372.ASS/Martin/Mitch said …

    “If this is true, how is anything immoral?”

    Because morality is RELATIVE, not absolute. How damn difficult is that for you to understand? You have your head stuck-up so far inside religion’s ass that you can’t understand anything that it doesn’t spoon feed to you.

    Is it legal (moral) to consume alcohol under 21? In 40 of the United States, it is “moral.” But in the others, it’s illegal (immoral). Why is that? Because there is no “absolute minimum drinking age.” There are only RELATIVE minimum drinking ages, decided upon by society, not by imaginary god nor atheists.

    Your entire argument is 100% moot unless you provide your alleged god-given absolute moral code. How can you be so damn dense? Are you also so dense that you’re arguing in some forum about whether or not Picard or Kirk is the better captain? Hopefully, you aren’t, because even you understand they are fictional. Why can’t you understand that both the imaginary god-given absolute moral code and the alleged atheist moral code are fictional – THEY DO NOT EXIST.

  377. on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:02 pm 377.Severin said …

    #365
    “It was THEISTS here, not atheists, who introduced the subject of a god-given moral code.”

    “Prove it. Provide a quote.”

    Here is one of millions:

    http://shogiwar.webs.com/xian_is_true/Relative_Morality.html
    “Where does an absolute morality come from? It comes from the creator.”

    Subjective Relative Morality
    by Rod Jackson

    Or, maybe Mr. Jackson is an atheist?

    Now, why don’t you tell us whether or not absolute moral code axist, where does it originates from, and where can I find it to read it?

    Or, maybe you have no opinion of your own about that?

  378. on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:04 pm 378.alex said …

    methinks martin and I would both agree that captain kirk is the one true trekkie. a real capt would never show mercy to those infidel klingons. plus, i never really believed in that cloaking shit. i mean, you can’t even see the thing.

  379. on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:12 pm 379.Martin said …

    “Because morality is RELATIVE, not absolute. How damn difficult is that for you to understand?”

    OK, then how can atheist claim ANYTHING is immoral? Your ilk makes moral judgments constantly. Everything would be OK, yes?

    “Your entire argument is 100% moot unless you provide your alleged god-given absolute moral code.”

    I haven’t made an argument. I followed up on your claim.

  380. on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:33 pm 380.MrQ said …

    Martin, again:

    OK, then how can atheist claim ANYTHING is immoral? Your ilk makes moral judgments constantly. Everything would be OK, yes?

    Theist or atheist. We all make the call according to our own reasoning. Or are you saying good xtians such as Hinn and Hitler are as moral as you? All muslims follow terrorist movements? Phelps Baptists accurately represent all other xtians? Sounds kind of subjective to me, almost no different than any random atheist’s morality.
    How can any xtian say that their flavour of morality is “the one”?

    Note to The Moderator: Can you take the short leash off now? “Your comment is awaiting moderation on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:16 pm” (#374)
    What’s with all the moderation of MrQ? Afraid I’ll say something too nasty? Is there a problem?

  381. on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:41 pm 381.Lou(DFW) said …

    377.ASS/Martin/Mitch said …

    “OK, then how can atheist claim ANYTHING is immoral?”

    (sigh) How many time must we answer your question?

    “Your ilk makes moral judgments constantly.”

    ALL “ilks” do. That’s the way morality works.

    “Everything would be OK, yes?”

    Everything, nothings, somethings – yes, if that’s what a particular “ilk” decides.

    “I haven’t made an argument. I followed up on your claim.”

    Perfect – then answer this simple question so that we can place your comments in proper context – is there a god-given absolute moral code?

    ASS/Martin/Mitch, you won’t answer because you are a fraud.

  382. on 07 Feb 2013 at 8:33 pm 382.Lou(DFW) said …

    372.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …

    “Does that mean killing a woman for showing her face is an immoral act? What about an killing an atheist for being an atheist? or a Christian for converting from Islam? These are morally acceptable killings?”

    By whose morals?

    “As for individuals, does every man decide for himself?”

    Yes, he decides which morals to follow and which to ignore. In the end, every single person decides for himself.

    “If this is true, how is anything immoral?”

    In exactly the same way in which the are moral.

    But, nothing is absolutely moral or immoral, is it?

  383. on 07 Feb 2013 at 8:49 pm 383.Martin said …

    So if I understand Lou, there is no such thing as right and wrong in the atheist world? It is all just personal preference? Lying, cheating, stealing and murder are all OK if that particular atheist thinks it is OK?

    Seems very dangerous and history shows that to be the case.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/atheists-target-harassment-new-code-of-conduct

  384. on 07 Feb 2013 at 8:51 pm 384.Martin said …

    So if I understand Lou, there is no such thing as right and wrong in the atheist world? It is all just personal preference? Lying, cheating, stealing and murder are all OK if that particular atheist thinks it is OK?

    Seems very dangerous and history shows that to be the case.

    My link got moderated. Oh well.

  385. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:00 pm 385.Lou(DFW) said …

    380.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …

    “So if I understand Lou, there is no such thing as right and wrong in the atheist world?”

    Listen, I’m not answering your question until YOU answer one for a change – is there a god-given absolute moral code?

  386. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:17 pm 386.DPK said …

    380.Martin said …

    “So if I understand Lou, there is no such thing as right and wrong in the atheist world? It is all just personal preference? Lying, cheating, stealing and murder are all OK if that particular atheist thinks it is OK?”

    Apparently you don’t understand it right… Martin. That’s not what he said.. at all. He said it was a personal decision… not a “preference”. A person can know something is wrong and decide to do it anyway…. like the priest that decides he’d rather ass rape an 8 year old boy. He knows it is wrong.

    Put it this way… you know it is wrong to kill someone. If a person is about to blow themselves up on a crowed sidewalk and possible kill a lot of innocent people, is it immoral to kill them first?
    How do you know? Maybe the bomb is a fake, or a dud, or maybe it will go off and only kill that person and no one else. How do you decide? Does it depend on your “preference”? Or do you know that it is more moral to shoot that person than risk him doing harm? How about if he just SAYS he has a bomb? Is it more or less ok to end him?
    Show us what your absolute moral code says. Don’t shy away now… show us. No one will think any less of you.

  387. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:35 pm 387.Martin said …

    “That’s not what he said.. at all. He said it was a personal decision… not a “preference”.”

    DPK/Lou

    No need to change persona, just answer the simple question. You guys are so close one speaks for the other?

    Its not personal preference, but it is decision? Exactly how does that change anything? On what grounds can you call anything immoral? Why is you decisions better than Castro’s, Mao’s, or Ted Bundy’s?

  388. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:36 pm 388.MattD said …

    381.Lou(DFW) said …

    Good luck getting answers (straight ones or otherwise) from people that practice self deception.

  389. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:46 pm 389.DPK said …

    I too am done having a one sided debate with you. You seriously do not understand the distinction between an honest decision and a preference, or just like you other personae, you cannot have a conversation without being disingenuous?

    If you are honestly that stupid, we can continue your education when you decide to answer the questions posed directly to you, multiple times.

    Until you do, you are demonstrating that you are not interested in honest debate or discussion, and are only here to troll. Busted again, Hor.

  390. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:55 pm 390.Lou(DFW) said …

    383.ASS/Martin/Mitch said …

    “No need to change persona…”

    You are confused. It was you who was busted posting under different names. Just because you are dishonest doesn’t mean that everyone else is.

    “…just answer the simple question.”

    The simple question is – is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?

  391. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:57 pm 391.alex said …

    yay! martin you win. wear out the atheists with your incessant, irrelevant, wild goose chase questionings. you did it! atheists lose! allah is king! moron.

  392. on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:58 pm 392.Lou(DFW) said …

    384.DPK said …

    “Until you do, you are demonstrating that you are not interested in honest debate or discussion, and are only here to troll. Busted again, Hor.”

    He has the debating skills of a two year old. For every question that’s answered, he replies “why?” over and over.

  393. on 07 Feb 2013 at 10:56 pm 393.Curmudgeon said …

    You have DPK, Lou, alex adding MattD to their personalities.

    Stop wasting your time with these delusional trolls Martin.

    Give it 3 months to let these guys move on and maybe the newbies will be more honest.

  394. on 07 Feb 2013 at 11:26 pm 394.Lou(DFW) said …

    393.Crum said …

    Crum is back yet again without answering the one simple question. Do you think we simply forget and don’t notice?

    “Stop wasting your time with these delusional trolls Martin.”

    Crum and all of his sock-puppets were apparently absent from grammar school on the same days.

    “Give it 3 months to let these guys move on and maybe the newbies will be more honest.”

    LOL! Yes, in three month Crum and his sock-puppets will attempt to play the same old shtick with newbies, all the while never answering two simple questions -

    Is there a god-given absolute moral code?

    If yes, where is it?

    Crum, you were already demonstrated to be the fraud that you are by previously failing to answer those two questions, coward.

    Now, please get off the chess board.

  395. on 08 Feb 2013 at 12:15 am 395.Martin said …

    Curmudgon,

    When you have this many inhabitants (possibly person) getting so irate over a question, one knows they have hit a sore spot. They don’t have a legitimate response and prefer to cover up that wart. The Red Herring fallacy (also known as digression) makes for good make up to those who readily fall for it.

  396. on 08 Feb 2013 at 2:29 am 396.alex said …

    When martin keeps coming back after numerous humiliations, you know he keeps hoping that newbies won’t see his bullshit. But, ain’t this an atheist site? After numerous unsuccessful socketering, he accuses every atheist of same. Fuckhead.

  397. on 08 Feb 2013 at 12:21 pm 397.Anonymous said …

    395.ASS/MitchMartin said …

    “When you have this many inhabitants (possibly person) getting so irate over a question, one knows they have hit a sore spot. They don’t have a legitimate response and prefer to cover up that wart.”

    How many theists here were asked if there is a god-given absolute moral code? How many answered and provided it? None.

    Yes, when ALL, not some, ALL of the “inhabitants” refuse to answer a simple yes or no question about their delusion and who are “getting so irate over a question, one knows they have hit a sore spot. They don’t have a legitimate response and prefer to cover up that wart.”

  398. on 08 Feb 2013 at 12:21 pm 398.Lou (DFW) said …

    397. was me.

  399. on 10 Feb 2013 at 11:34 am 399.Lesbian carwasher said …

    i was wondering, if (((((HELL))))) (lol…) existed

    what stops us ((((EVIL ONES)))) from just beating the shit out of the devil and taking control?

    surely its like 9 billion against 1

  400. on 10 Feb 2013 at 3:54 pm 400.s0l0m0n said …

    ((((HELL)))) exists. When you enter it,there’s no turning back.

  401. on 11 Feb 2013 at 10:59 am 401.Lesbian carwasher said …

    ((((HELL)))) does not exist, neither the devil.

    Although if he did, id say hello with a M41a2 pulse rifle….to the face

  402. on 17 Mar 2013 at 10:15 pm 402.showme2 said …

    an m41a2 pulse rifle to the face ? i hope you can get some help and talk to the right person. you are misinformed about this world and GOD. don’t feel embarrassed. there are many nuclear physicists who are just as misinformed. remember science don’t conflict with GOD. science is a product of GOD.

  403. on 18 Mar 2013 at 1:11 am 403.alex said …

    “there are many nuclear physicists who are just as misinformed.”

    the talking donkey is misinformed? lot’s wife into salt is misinformed? jesus fucking christ cursing out the fig tree is misinformed? and on… and on….

    “m41a2 pulse rifle”

    wah! damn atheists threatening me! persecuted! puleeze! maybe the next time them bible thumpers come over, i’ll sharpen my katana?

    theist assholes talk a big game about going to heaven, yet they get immunized, put on their seat belts and go to the doctor. so much for faith.

  404. on 18 Mar 2013 at 2:45 am 404.The messenger said …

    Brother 403.alex, Jesus cursed that one fig tree as a way to show his power.

    You were referring to events that occurred in the bible, and you say that they are misinformed. You are wrong about that.

    A event cannot be misinformed, only people can be misinformed.

    Lot’s wife was turned to dust because she disobedience God many times durring her life on Earth, and her wrong decisions put her family in harms way. She deserved the punishment that she got.

  405. on 18 Mar 2013 at 2:53 am 405.The messenger said …

    403.alex, Jesus will protect us if we have faith or not, but he does expect us to make smart decisions in order to help better our selves and others. If we put our selves in harms way intentionally, then there is no garrenty that God will save us from dying on Earth. God wants us to make smart decisions, such as, “buckling up our seat belts”, or looking both ways before crossing the road.

    Jesus is our father, and he will protect us if we are willing to protect ourselves and others too.

  406. on 18 Mar 2013 at 9:15 am 406.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    Is there a god given absolute moral code?
    if yes please specify.

    From now on, can all athiests please only respond with this if they do not answer?

  407. on 18 Mar 2013 at 9:43 am 407.alex said …

    s0l = nongratisCount#8
    mess = nongratisCount#14

    …and mess opens up a commanding lead. s0l needs to pick up his bullshit if he wants them virgens.

  408. on 19 Mar 2013 at 3:24 am 408.The messenger said …

    on 18 Mar 2013 at 2:53 am 405.The messenger said …
    403.alex, Jesus will protect us if we have faith or not, but he does expect us to make smart decisions in order to help better our selves and others. If we put our selves in harms way intentionally, then there is no garrenty that God will save us from dying on Earth. God wants us to make smart decisions, such as, “buckling up our seat belts”, or looking both ways before crossing the road.
    Jesus is our father, and he will protect us if we are willing to protect ourselves and others too.

  409. on 25 Mar 2013 at 5:08 am 409.Adam said …

    “last year about 200,000 people who did see a doctor died in the U.S. because of medical errors.”

    Now how many of those people put there complete trust and faith in God?

  410. on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:09 pm 410.michael said …

    I’m headed to a first communion for a friend today. Not him, his daughter. When he invited me, I didn’t know what to say. I just kinda said I might be there. Then later, when I was sitting with a mutual friend and i mention it, he being a catholic, nearly flipped. He had forgotten about it and started to panic.

    Communions, the first time that a child eats a blessed wafer and is told that it is a piece of a dead Jew, is a huge deal. Its one thing to loath this stupidity, but how do i hate the people i love?

    im going today. I will hang out, tell her congratulations i guess, and hand her a card with some money in it.

    What else am i supposed to do? I love my friends. Even thought they believe totally screwball stuff and engage in behavior that lends credibility for dangerous religious activity.

    I’m torn. By the time anyone reads this the event will already have taken place. But feel free to weigh in on what you would do in the same situation.

    i dont care if religious folks reply, but they wont be very helpful. Its not like they know what its like to go to an atheist event or anything.

  411. on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:27 pm 411.alex said …

    most atheists don’t hate religious people, really. it’s just the shit they do: god bless you. don’t build that mosque. thank god, we won! god is on our side. atheists are going to hell. repent. this is an xtian nation. teach creationism as fact. and on… and on… with their bullshit.

    go ahead with you thang, it’s cool.

  412. on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:33 pm 412.the messenger said …

    411.alex, for the hundredth time, islam is an abomination.

  413. on 28 Apr 2013 at 8:54 pm 413.alex said …

    messenger, go fuck yourself. go troll a kkk site where your brothers hang out, you asshole. better yet, go find your cousin, s0l. google sheep and you’ll find him.

  414. on 29 Apr 2013 at 6:43 am 414.Fluttershy said …

    411.alex, for the hundredth time, islam is an abomination.

    I dont know why…
    But i pictured a person called messenger getting stoned by muslims in iraq or something, and despite praying for help, he dies…

    Then some random guy walks in and says.
    “Told you he isnt real…”

  415. on 08 Aug 2013 at 7:59 pm 415.bjones said …

    Yo all of yall who believe god aint real are a bunch of fucking idiots yall are gonna burn in hell yall niggas is some bitch made bamas

  416. on 09 Aug 2013 at 3:05 am 416.thomas said …

    Let me clarify on my earlier post, I don’t think cancer is a good thing , I don’t think HIV is good, I don’t think death is good. And I didn’t say I valued my relationship with my family over my grandmothers life. What I am saying is that things like disease and death are inevitable facts of life. And I’m deeply sorry for those who have lost loved ones. We all get sick, and we all die. These are two facts of being human. God aside. These tragic things do happen its just up to every last one of us to find the good when things go bad.
    I’m not bashing anybodies beliefs, by all means believe in God, believe in prayer, or don’t. I’m not going to hate on anybody for that. You all have valuable opinions.
    I am a biology major, requires a couple physics classes, and I know newtons laws by heart. I live to study and learn about this amazing earth we live on. Science doesn’t prove or disprove God to me, but when I learn more biology and physics the more I see a beautiful creation formed by an even more beautiful creator. I’m sorry if this for you means “all is lost” and maybe I’m wasting my time with God, though I am confident I’m not, but shoot if I get to the end and I’m wrong, at least I’ve been a positive, more loving person through this belief, and that is not a tragedy. I’ll be going in the ground with every body else. But if I’m right then God has some good things coming to me.
    God doesn’t tell me to force my beliefs on people he just tells me not to be shy about them, your beliefs are up to you and I commend you for fighting for those beliefs. God imaginary or not has done good things for me and I don’t have to prove his existence to go on living strongly and passionately for him. If you wanna say f**k God, I won’t stop you. But heres one prayer I hope God does answer, I pray that regardless of your beliefs you all find GOOD in this world that is filled with so much of bad. Also for those who don’t believe in God, try not to have so much hate for the guy, after all according to you he hasn’t done anything to you.
    With Love (regardless of your beliefs)
    Thomas

  417. on 09 Aug 2013 at 4:07 am 417.alex said …

    “at least I’ve been a positive, more loving person through this belief, and that is not a tragedy.”

    with the redemption card in your back pocket in case you want to repeatedly rape little boys, knowing you’ll be forgiven many times over.

    “I pray that regardless of your beliefs you all find GOOD in this world that is filled with so much of bad.”

    way too fucking presumptuous on your part. i’m as good as the next motherfucking theist. give me a test, you pompous piece of shit.

    “try not to have so much hate for the guy, after all according to you he hasn’t done anything to you.”

    read the motherfucking blog and draw your own conclusion, ya ignorant bitch. shoving religion down everybody’s throat is the reason, you dipshit.

  418. on 09 Aug 2013 at 5:03 am 418.thomas said …

    Shoot I put that whole comment under the wrong post, but man you read that whole thing wrong, I do just as much wrong as the next guy, and to throw that rape card is a little bit messed up cause I would never do something like that. People that use the redemption card to justify things like that do not know God as well as they think. but I’m also not saying you’re bad, I don’t know you and have no right to judge. I was simply saying there are bad things in the world and I pray in that bad stuff everybody is able to find good things. And I was drawing a conclusion man same as you sorry I made you feel I was shoving anything down your throat that wasn’t my intention. Have a good one.

  419. on 09 Aug 2013 at 10:11 am 419.Angus and Alexis said …

    “but man you read that whole thing wrong”

    No, alex just happens to be….”alex”…

    “and to throw that rape card is a little bit messed up cause I would never do something like that. ”

    Good to know you arent a failure of human morality entirely…
    But the fact that the redemption card exists, makes your standing very frail…

    “And I was drawing a conclusion man same as you sorry I made you feel I was shoving anything down your throat that wasn’t my intention.”

    Jeese, your like…the first guy here who isnt “A”, please stay…PLEASE!!!
    Anyway, protip, dont pray for us, say bless you, or other theist crap, all you will get is insults from alex, and generally get looked down on.

    “I was simply saying there are bad things in the world and I pray in that bad stuff everybody is able to find good things.”

    And we are saying said prayers are not doing anything, and that good and bad things are simply natural events.

  420. on 10 Aug 2013 at 2:20 am 420.thomas said …

    Angus and alexis thank you guys for the good talk that’s the kind of stuff I come to sites like this for, not to cause anything crazy, just to learn and have conversations, with other people. People try and use the redemption card to do horrible things, but I think its definitely bs when that happens because these people think in advanced about what they are going to do and they’re like oh God will just forgive me. That’s an abuse of his love, and those people are awful people.
    Thanks again for the good talk. Bless you guys

  421. on 10 Aug 2013 at 3:43 am 421.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Bless you guys”

    I dont think you got the message…

  422. on 10 Aug 2013 at 1:23 pm 422.alex said …

    “Bless you guys”

    well, allahu akbar to you, fella. allah loves you, your family and yo country, but you better recognize.

    you likey?

    think secular, keep it to yourself, don’t expect special treatment and we’ll all get along fine. fuck you a/martin/40year/asshole.

  423. on 11 Aug 2013 at 2:18 am 423.Angus and Alexis said …

    /\

    What he said…

  424. on 11 Aug 2013 at 5:38 am 424.G said …

    Why is it so hard to understand that we live in a world where God allows us the freedom to do great good or great harm to one another? His faithfulness does not trump our freedom. If God were to intervene, He would not love us perfectly. Perfect hatred is control, as exhibited by Hitler, Stalin, etc. Perfect love allows us freedom, as exhibited by God. The Bible is a collection of Jewish books about humanity’s quest to understand God. Why Jewish? Because they were one of the first tribes to believe in monotheism. So, they began to document their understanding of A God.

    So much of the reasoning I’ve read in these comments are philosophically naive and undeveloped.

  425. on 11 Aug 2013 at 5:46 am 425.G said …

    If 2 people look at a stereogram, one will say with complete confidence, “there is no shape”. The other will say with confidence, “there it is! Do you see it?” Both swear by what they see. The difference is in the seeing. If you don’t see God, then you won’t. If you see God, then you are blessed. God reveals himself in many ways, both empirically and subjectively (faith). Just because suffering happens in the world, doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. Really people…. are you that simple? God MUST allow suffering at the expense of nullifying something even greater, and, clearly, He has chosen to do that. Just because a child doesn’t understand his parent, doesn’t mean the parent doesn’t exist! Come on people…you’re better than that.

  426. on 16 Aug 2013 at 8:50 am 426.Anonymous said …

    god is real but satan rules this world with full madnesss example do you notice the criminals and people killing each other do you notice crimes and otherr wickedness the best example of badness cause by satan dates back hundred million years ago the first man created by god is adam and second is eve the true story is that satan influenced eve to eat the fruit that is why badness wars crimes everything you can think of.. that is my opinion

  427. on 16 Aug 2013 at 8:52 am 427.Anonymous said …

    eve is the first girl ever created by god

  428. on 16 Aug 2013 at 8:54 am 428.Anonymous said …

    god will save us but you need to be good and learn about god

  429. on 16 Aug 2013 at 12:13 pm 429.Angus and Alexis said …

    An Anonymous said…
    “god will save us but you need to be good and learn about god”

    First off, no, i will not learn about god, i already know he is a sadistic bastard who enjoys pain and suffering.
    And secondly, he does not exist in the first place.
    Go on, pull off a reverse burden of proof or pascals wager.

    “eve is the first girl ever created by god”

    No, Eve is the first rib WOMAN made by god.
    Not that she actually existed.

    “god is real but satan rules this world”

    Last time i checked, this world is ruled by no one, it is simply too large to rule.
    We cannot even leave our solar system for starters.

    “do you notice the criminals and people killing each other do you notice crimes and otherr wickedness”

    You see, most crimes are done by the mentally damaged, and most of the other ones are because they need said items stolen. The few exceptions are just sick bastards who need to be taken away from the genepool…

    “the true story is that satan influenced eve to eat the fruit”

    No, the story is that satan was in the form…OF A TALKING SNAKE…and made her eat a fruit. Yes…you believe all evil comes from a rib woman being persuaded by a talking snake into eating a magic fruit…Congrats…

    “that is why badness wars crimes everything you can think of”

    No, “Badness” comes from humans being a very uncivilised race, despite all our collective knowledge and attempts of world peace…

    “that is my opinion”

    Nice, care to post some facts next time?
    Perhaps some proof of god?

  430. on 16 Aug 2013 at 12:29 pm 430.alex said …

    “If 2 people look at a stereogram, one will say with complete confidence, “there is no shape”. The other will say with confidence, “there it is! Do you see it?” Both swear by what they see. The difference is in the seeing. If you don’t see God, then you won’t. ”

    the difference is that you’re an idiot. if you don’t see god, then you won’t? you’re tryna be deep but you’re a dipshit.

    “If you see God, then you are blessed.”

    wrong moron. you’re blessed, but other people are not is your claim? the stark stupidity misses you? away with you, you dense fuck.

  431. on 16 Aug 2013 at 12:31 pm 431.Angus and Alexis said …

    G said…
    “If 2 people look at a stereogram, one will say with complete confidence, “there is no shape”. The other will say with confidence, “there it is! Do you see it?” Both swear by what they see.”

    Yes?
    This is relevant how?

    “The difference is in the seeing.”

    You dont say?
    I would assume the difference is in hearing and smell *Sarcasm*

    “If you don’t see God, then you won’t. If you see God, then you are blessed.”

    So you are saying that god personally allows his own creation of which he loves on such a level that human minds cannot comprehend, to be thrown into eternal pain and suffering because he wants to?
    That is insane, don’t you understand what you are even typing?

    “God reveals himself in many ways, both empirically and subjectively (faith).”

    God has in no valid account ever shown himself.

    “Just because suffering happens in the world, doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist.”

    I must agree here, but suffering caused by “God” is unacceptable.

    “Just because a child doesn’t understand his parent, doesn’t mean the parent doesn’t exist!”

    No, the analogy of god is this.

    “A child is brought up by two people, he is told one day by some guy that secretly, his real parents are invisible, are always with him, and can do magic, they however have and never will, show themselves to him. they also created the universe, have always existed, and killed every living thing on earth barring a few of each species, because they didn’t like them.”

    “Why is it so hard to understand that we live in a world where God allows us the freedom to do great good or great harm to one another?”

    Perhaps because it looks like the world is not run by a sky daddy, and instead looks like a sky daddy is not there?
    Maybe there is no sky daddy in the first place. How is this so hard to understand.

    “If God were to intervene, He would not love us perfectly.”

    Im sorry, but if you said that to a rape victim, and also said that god was capable of stopping the rape, you would get hit so hard, you wouldn’t stand up for an hour.

    “Perfect hatred is control, as exhibited by Hitler, Stalin, etc.”

    Hitler was a christian, derp.
    And secondly, their control was not perfect at all.

    “Perfect love allows us freedom, as exhibited by God.”

    Shame you theists dont include gays, atheists, other religions, abortion, freedom of speech and factual evidence as freedom…

    “The Bible is a collection of Jewish books about humanity’s quest to understand God.”

    The bible is a disturbing book that is full of death, hatred and incorrect information.

    “So much of the reasoning I’ve read in these comments are philosophically naive and undeveloped.”

    Gah, you have the nerve to make such a statement?
    Have you not read any of the stupid arguments here that have to be destroyed time and time again? Please read more.

  432. on 16 Aug 2013 at 12:47 pm 432.Angus and Alexis said …

    *offtopic, sorry*

    Hey alex, i’m confused, did you make that IP checking website you posted?
    Didn’t you say you were a student in something, what was it again?

    *on topic again*

    Why is it that theists come here with generic names, post stupid shit, get asked questions by atheists, post more shit, say bless you, then leave like a coward?

    It really doesn’t make them look any better.

    The only theist who stays here is Stan and his sock brigade, although, he just dumb’s up the area and doesn’t understand what proof is even if it hit him in the face…

    And then there is the strange almost fetish level of addiction that theists have with the theory of evolution…
    Perhaps even worse is how they think disproving it (which is impossible, as it is already proven…) makes god real…

  433. on 31 Aug 2013 at 4:28 pm 433.Joshua said …

    God loves you; you need to get your own conscience correct before you go trying to destroy people. God loves us and He knew if we could see Him our love wouldn’t be as real as if He had to earn it over time. He wanted it that way; faith. Faith equals love eventually; you’ve rationalized it away; hope your ok with that…

  434. on 31 Aug 2013 at 4:31 pm 434.Joshua said …

    You’ve rationalized your life away; God created us because He loves us and wants our love back. And He knows if He has to earn it over time, it will be a stronger love towards Him, and that take eternal patience. If God came down and said “HI”, that would ruin so much for us and Him…

    Think real…

    Joshua Schoonover

  435. on 31 Aug 2013 at 4:42 pm 435.A said …

    G,

    Been a long time. Good to see you back and providing logical arguments again. Of course, now the personality atheist and company will claim I am you. Just a heads up there.

  436. on 31 Aug 2013 at 6:22 pm 436.DPK said …

    425.G said …

    “If 2 people look at a stereogram, one will say with complete confidence, “there is no shape”. The other will say with confidence, “there it is! Do you see it?” Both swear by what they see. The difference is in the seeing.”

    This is a great analogy that really does reflect the reality of believing in god. The fact is the stereogram does NOT contain a shape. It is just ink on a flat piece of paper. The shape is an ILLUSION, just as your god is. When your brain sees gods where you want to see them, it is the same as when your brain sees a 3 dimensional “shape” in a 2 dimensional stereogram. As you so aptly noted if you want to believe in a god, first you must believe. Once you believe, the believing part becomes much easier.
    Thank you for the excellent illustration.

  437. on 31 Aug 2013 at 7:48 pm 437.DPK said …

    435.A said …
    G,
    “Been a long time. Good to see you back and providing logical arguments again.”
    Yes, like how seeing a pattern in a stereogram prove there is a god. Hint, if “A” agree with you, it’s a sure sign your argument is bullshit.

    “Of course, now the personality atheist and company will claim I am you.”
    What is a “personality atheist”? Is that like one of your atheists who believe in god?

    “Just a heads up there.”
    You are the expert in having your “heads up there” so your should know. Fact is, no matter how much you lament… you HAVE been caught, numerous times, flat out sock puppeting in order to try to promote you own disingenuous agenda. Why are you surprised when people suspect you of doing what you’ve been proven guilty of before? “Round up the usual suspects….”

  438. on 01 Sep 2013 at 2:58 am 438.Angus and Alexis said …

    Joshua the sympathetic theist said.
    “God loves you”

    Last time i checked, he killed almost everything on earth just because he thought they were evil, if such a monster loved me, i would surely reject it.

    “you need to get your own conscience correct before you go trying to destroy people.”

    Education equals destruction?
    Wow, no wonder modern civilization is so messed up.

    “God loves us and He knew if we could see Him our love wouldn’t be as real as if He had to earn it over time.”

    You know how love is best earnt? BEING ABLE TO SEE, TOUCH, AND TALK TO YOUR LOVER.

    ” He wanted it that way; faith.”

    You keep that faith of yours, im going to keep my science, facts and common sense here.

    ” Faith equals love eventually”

    Wow, so without any contact whatsoever, you can gain love? Maybe he uses his “MAGIC OMNIPOTENCE”…

    “you’ve rationalized it away”

    Good, i git rid of santa claus and the easter bunny too.

    “hope your ok with that…”

    Indeed i am.

  439. on 01 Sep 2013 at 3:05 am 439.Angus and Alexis said …

    Joshua the sympathetic theist said.
    “You’ve rationalized your life away”

    No, i think you got it wrong.
    You have deluded your life away to a fake deity.

    ” God created us because He loves us and wants our love back.”

    And he does so by making it seem that there is no god whatsoever, and by flooding the earth and getting himself tortured…Nice god you have there *sarcasm*

    “And He knows if He has to earn it over time, it will be a stronger love towards Him”

    Obviously having more time with something makes a stronger relationship, but it helps to actually have CONTACT with something…

    ” and that take eternal patience.”

    So to love god, it takes forever?
    Therefore no one can love god, nice.

    ” If God came down and said “HI”, that would ruin so much for us and Him…”

    No, it would lead to every theist going “PRAISE DA LORD!” and every atheist getting pissed off at him for doing awful shit and appearing to be nonexistent.

    “Think real…”

    I’m right ahead of ya.

  440. on 01 Sep 2013 at 4:32 am 440.Anonymous said …

    In amongst an absolute load of nonsense, Joshua drops his biggest turd “Faith equals love eventually;”

    Yes, that’s right. If you keep telling yourself “he really loves me”, “he beats me because I deserve it”, “I’m nothing without him”, “I don’t deserve him”, “it will be worth it in the end”,

    then you are in an abusive relationship. Good for you, Joshua. Your god is an asshole.

  441. on 01 Sep 2013 at 3:54 pm 441.DPK said …

    ” God loves us and He knew if we could see Him our love wouldn’t be as real as if He had to earn it over time. He wanted it that way; faith.”

    He had no problem talking face to face with people in the old testament though… wonder why he changed his omnipotent mind?

    Seriously, do these people use one of those online bullshit generators to write these fuckin’ platitudes and double talk nonsense? Do they even THINK about what they are actually saying? By this logic, the best thing a father could do for a child is abandon him at birth, move to Alaska, change his identity and hide… THAT would be the best way to ensure that our children REALLY love us.

  442. on 01 Sep 2013 at 7:28 pm 442.Anonymous said …

    Have you noticed that having congratulated the theist “logic” little “a” has disappeared when this “logic” has been exposed as fucking nonsense? No wonder he is desperate to avoid the subject of proof for his imaginary friend.

    DPK did an excellent job at destroying “G”‘s argument (what’s next, A – H?) so let’s have another look at Joshua’s spectacular failure.

    “You’ve rationalized your life away;”

    Speak for yourself. All you did, presumably, was wait for the second life you won’t get, and talk to yourself, calling it prayer, about all the misery in the world.

    Many of us who don’t buy into your fairy tales spend life achieving things and, you know, actually helping people – not just talking to themselves about it then saying “well, it just wasn’t his will”… to heal that child of cancer; feed the starving millions; avert that Tsunami, etc.

    “God created us because He loves us and wants our love back.”

    What a selfish, egotistical, evil, asshole.

    You claim that we were created in order to appeal to this god’s vanity – and you think that’s a good thing? And we were created out of love to suffer? Are you fucking nuts?

    “And He knows if He has to earn it over time, it will be a stronger love towards Him, and that take eternal patience.”

    No, that would be an example of the Stockholm Syndrome in action.

    And how, exactly, does an entity that does absolutely fuck-all earn love? Is that why it takes eternal patience? Eternal because it’s take forever because that’s how long you wait for an example, any example, of this god’s love?

    Also, how do you know what “he” knows? Does he talk to you? Write to you? Skype with you? Leave you notes on the ‘fridge? Please tell us how you know this to be so and you are not just making it up.

    Once more, just how fucking nuts do you need to be to believe shit like that? A little, a lot, or living in an asylum nuts?

    “If God came down and said “HI”, that would ruin so much for us and Him…”

    How, exactly, how would that ruin anything?

    Proving he exists, ruining it? Behaving like he’s supposed to do in his holy book, ruining it? Doing stuff to help the people he supposedly loves, ruining it?

    For fuck’s sake, look at the nonsense are you spewing, Joshua. How can you possibly believe such shit and function in the real world?

    “Think real…”

    So why don’t you?

  443. on 02 Sep 2013 at 12:50 am 443.A said …

    “Many of us who don’t buy into your fairy tales spend life achieving things and, you know, actually helping people”

    True, its been proven time and time again atheist are the tightest most heartless people on the planet. Theist on the other hand are removing pain and suffering around the world.

    They are great and cussing, anger, hate and debating things they SUPPOSEDLY don’t believe exists. What a bunch of losers! Lol!!

  444. on 02 Sep 2013 at 1:15 am 444.DPK said …

    And the last resort of the truly defeated… Well, you’re bad and I’m good! Hahaha. I must have missed the last atheist child molesting scandal and the last atheist suicide bombing. Lol indeed.
    What a complete dickhead. Hey asshole, your desperation is showing again.

  445. on 02 Sep 2013 at 7:00 am 445.Angus and Alexis said …

    A said.
    “Theist on the other hand are removing pain and suffering around the world.”

    I think you mean mass brainwashing and causing pain and suffering for minorities…

    “True, its been proven time and time again atheist are the tightest most heartless people on the planet.”

    Nice, because there are plenty of theist assholes too. Maybe you mean those atheists that go to church and have a god?

    “They are great and cussing, anger, hate and debating things they SUPPOSEDLY don’t believe exists.”

    So you are saying that debating subatomic particles, and nuclear fusion is stupid?

    “What a bunch of losers! Lol!!”

    Can you at least ATTEMPT to act mature?
    If you are indeed a 40 year old atheist, you are one of the most ridiculous adults i have seen in action…

  446. on 15 Nov 2013 at 9:21 am 446.Abby said …

    Sorry.. but I was a believer and ruined the only job I ever had over God by trying to be faithful to him…I grew up in abuse as a child which destroyed my self worth and self esteem…than as an adult because of all of that made horrible mistakes in life and stayed in bad/abusive relationships looking for love that I never had as child….From that I attempted suicide over 15 times…only some dumb asses found me and here I am today 49 years later still suffering every single day !! I am scarred in side and outside now, have no life worth living, need healing inside and out so I can get a job, maybe get married someday and have real love,have friends and a social life etc… But NO.. God will not heal me ? Really ? The family and people who harmed me have blessed lives and everything I have ever hoped for while I have nothing but scars and pain to bare alone everyday ! Church never helped me, studying the bible or praying either for that matter..and yet I still tried to believe in God.
    Now I look at this world and the suffering in it and believe God has so much to do with it ! TRUE love is caring for someones well being and wanting the best for them and doing what you can to help them. God never does that ever for me ! If he loved me as the bible says..why am I still suffering and why is God holding back the healing I so desperately need from me ? Does not not see me and hear me everyday ? I am going to end my life if healing does not come very soon !I cannot live this any longer ! Does God care about that enough to help and heal me ? Does he want me to die ? Why is he blessing those who caused me so much harm and not blessing me ? All the stuff I was taught about God loving me cannot be truthful ! I would not hold back those things from some I love or care for ! In the beginning faith comes from hearing the word as the bible says….but faith dies when those words are meaningless and empty ! My faith is almost gone now ! I have tried to be faithful to God…but he has not to me. He is supposed to be perfect…I am not and only a human….but even then I tried to be faithful best I could.When is God going to show me perfect faithfulness by him…shouldn’t he be our example ?
    God is not being a good example. In the bible Jesus healed so that people may believe…. Jesus heal me so that I may believe also..an if not it would be your fault I don’t any longer and your fault if I end up in hell !

  447. on 15 Nov 2013 at 9:39 am 447.Abby said …

    Also if you ever watched Christian TV shows have you ever noticed how all the women who boast of God..are so beautiful and so perfect…great hair , cloths, makeup and seem to have these great lives and so much confidence etc… most grow up in good homes and well to do homes compared to what I grew up in.No wonder they believe in God so much and can boast about him… I would too if I had beauty and a great life also !
    What about Job in the bible who was filthy rich and had so much more than everyone else…no wonder he loved God so much…look how much he was blessed all his life ! When he had to loose it all and suffer it was only right he still worship God after all God gave him ! But what about people like myself who have had nothing but hardship and pain all their lives..am I supposed to have faith like Job ? Job was an old man who lived a long amazing life of prosperity thanks to God..he has no right to complain when it got bad for him…as for me I never had it good and have no reason to be grateful or faithful ! Like all those Christians on TV who seem to have all that faith to brag of God…. they have it all….well I have never had anything good through life but pain and heartache so I do not have anything to boast about God for ! Give me what those women have ( beauty etc…) and I will boast about God also !

  448. on 15 Nov 2013 at 9:51 am 448.Abby said …

    God punishes the innocent for the guilty also ! After King David (pervert sinner and male tramp who sleeps with all his many concubine) sleeps also with Bathsheba ( tramp who likes to bath in the open where everyone can see her when her husband is off fighting wars) then David has her husband murdered , commits adultery and has a child from it..God kills the child to punish them for their sins..than gives them another child after who also becomes a King ! Holy crap !!!!
    How many of us who God ignores when we pray for something have done that bad of stuff and committed the grave sins they have ? None of us… and yet God blesses them and not us ? King David was an ass !

  449. on 15 Nov 2013 at 3:16 pm 449.Angus and Alexis said …

    Ummm…maybe because he does not exist?

  450. on 16 Nov 2013 at 2:54 am 450.Abby said …

    I am beginning to believe that myself ! Funny though how Christians have this list of excuses for God for just about EVERYTHING ! I think I have heard them
    all ! I just watched a movie Called ” God on Trial”..it is about Jews in a concentration camp having a mock trial.If God was real he would be found guilty ! He would be the greatest sinner of all as he breaks his own commandments all the time ! I would love to be able to back in history to kick the ass of the idiot who invented this God and the bible… I mean look at the horrible events in history due to the bible and Christians….religion is the cause of almost all the problems in the world and causes so much violence and harm ! Society should get together and sue the churches for the damage the lies have caused….and they should have to pay Taxes on EVERYTHING they get…no special privileges ! I should be able sue the church for all my tithe I paid to them as it was due to false advertising and lies that they got it in the first place…that should be illegal to do that to
    anyone !Just a thought.

  451. on 16 Nov 2013 at 3:28 am 451.Angus and Alexis said …

    I agree with you, christians always make excuses.

  452. on 16 Nov 2013 at 1:36 pm 452.DPK said …

    Christians, in particular, always must resort to engaging in torturous and mind bending excuses when explaining their gods behavior and the disconnect between the idea of a loving, all powerful god and reality.
    God is testing you, god isn’t answering your prayer because he has something better in store, he is teaching you a lesson, your troubles are nothing compared to the rewards you will get in heaven, your faith isn’t strong enough, and my favorite, we can’t understand gods ways, we just have to have faith and accept that everything is for our benefit. Lol. What a bunch of self deceiving bullshit. The simple answer that doesn’t require any mental gymnastics is that god simply does not exist. The reason bad things happen to good people is because things happen without regard to whether or not you worship any particular god. This is because they are all imaginary.

  453. on 17 Nov 2013 at 7:39 am 453.Abby said …

    I really like this blog site….I feel comfortable here because I am finding others who like myself are thinking beings ! I like to see things as they really are ! I don’t believe in having faith in something not real or something I cannot see, touch or hear etc…
    I don’t live in a fantasy world ! Christians do live in a fantasy world ! Maybe they cannot face reality or something and had to invent a god ? How can any normal thinking being love this god whom they have never heard audibly, or seen with their own eyes ? How can you love someone you cannot have a relationship with in real life other than reading a book about him or others talking about him ? This is loving a fantasy in your own mind…a fictional character ! Praying is like talking to the air…no one speaks back to you or relates to you in anyway ! Relationship means spending real time talking to each other and being together… so how can anyone have a relationship with a god that they cannot do that with ? It is obvious he is not real ! One thing that bothers me is this :Throughout history Christians have thought they had some right to take whatever they want as they believe their God gives it to them. Christians have stolen land from the Native Americans as they believed their God gave it to them to take…they have even killed ! They made African people slaves and so much more ! Also the residential schools and that horrible hell ! All because of Christianity ! The list goes on and on !

  454. on 17 Nov 2013 at 7:57 am 454.Abby said …

    By the way.. .to you ” year atheist ” in your above comment…Christians break their so called god’s moral codes every single day ! In fact your very god who supposedly made them does also ! Therefore making your so called god’s moral code ” relative” and not absolute ! You guys keep them only when it is convenient to ! You break them when its not !

  455. on 17 Nov 2013 at 9:43 am 455.Angus and Alexis said …

    The absolute moral garble has already been dealt with, please do not get messenger to respond with his usual garbage.

  456. on 17 Nov 2013 at 7:57 pm 456.Cassiopia said …

    Abby,

    Can you at least be honest? You are not a Christian and have never been. You may have been a theist at one time but you are now an angry atheist like so many others here.

    You have this view that if someone believes in God that makes them a Christian. Where do you get such an idea? Sounds like you might watch much TV. Its not in the Bible, but maybe you listen to other people too much.

    You also have this view that you are the only one that suffers while envying others. Last I checked, Jesus suffered quite a bit and everyone one his disciples were murdered for being a Christian. Christians today are being murdered all around in record numbers. Has your life been threatened for your beliefs? I doubt it. Life is not fair, Jesus never claimed it would be in fact he did say they have persecuted me and if you follow Jesus you can expect to be persecuted too.

    You probably won’t like my post, it is not meant to be insensitive but is meant to give you pause as to what a Christian is according to the Bible and not how pop culture portrays it.

  457. on 17 Nov 2013 at 9:59 pm 457.DPK said …

    The “no true Scotsman” ploy.
    God is always faithful to true Christians.
    God has not been faithful to me.
    You are not a “true” Christian.

    See how it works Abby? You cannot reason with a Christian, because they are willing to accept anything in order to maintain their Jesus high. If you point out that their claims are simply not true, they just claim it is because you don’t understand. If god abandons you, it’s your fault. If you get cancer and get better, god cured you. If you get cancer and die, god needed you in heaven. You can’t win by trying to talk logically to someone who has deluded themselves to a point of being completely and utterly irrational.

  458. on 18 Nov 2013 at 1:33 am 458.the hor said …

    Cass

    You can’t reason with DPK known as Dippy. They believe anyone who states they are a Christian is one regardless of what they believe. I believe the Bible states Satan believes in God too. Does that make Satan a Christian?

    lol!!!!! Careful, that is no true Scotsman! Lol!!!!

  459. on 18 Nov 2013 at 3:30 pm 459.DPK said …

    Now Hor is resorting to supporting one with mythical character by asserting the beliefs of another mythical character.
    Hor, I believe Santa Claus believes in elves. Does that mean elves are real? LOL…. you are always good for a hearty laugh.
    Hey Cass, Hor deliberately lies, misleads others about what people say and have said here (bearing false witness) continually mocks and tries to belittle people, and attempts to deceive people by continually pretending to be multiple individuals in order to try and bolster his support. He refuses to engage in any honest discussion and deliberately mis-represents facts in order to convince others he is right.
    Is he a Christian?
    He claims he is…. but I’d guess you’d think not.

  460. on 18 Nov 2013 at 9:08 pm 460.the hor said …

    “Now Hor is resorting to supporting one with mythical character by asserting the beliefs of another mythical character.”

    ROTFL!!!!!

    This is hilarious! Just resorted to the very fallacy he incorrectly attempted to call on another. That is priceless!

    Thanks DIP. Sorry, not mocking but that is quite funny! :)

  461. on 18 Nov 2013 at 9:28 pm 461.DPK said …

    ” Just resorted to the very fallacy he incorrectly attempted to call on another. That is priceless!”

    Hitting the sauce again there Stan? Sober up a bit before you start typing, you’re embarrassing yourself again… LOL…. Your ignorance is truly mind boggling.

  462. on 19 Nov 2013 at 12:43 am 462.Cassiopia said …

    Why do these type of blogs always have these argumentative guys who find their manhood behind a laptop. So DPK, you call me deluded, irrational and that I claim there are no true Christians as well as misrepresent Christianity? Then you have the chutzpah to warn me about another poster?

    Save it.

    The Hor is on point and polite to me. Just because someone claims Christianity does not mean they are a Christian according to Christ. Judas was not a true Christian. That’s not my opinion, it is fact. Believing in God is not what makes a Christian or Jews would be Christians too. However there are true Christians therefore your claim of a fallacy is bogus.

    Looks like Abby has left the room.

  463. on 19 Nov 2013 at 1:05 am 463.the messenger said …

    481.Abby, humans are not perfect.

    Life is a plan that GOD made in order to bring us to perfection.

    Every one sins, but that does not mean that they are not true Christians.

    A christian sins, but then he or she tries to not sin again.

    An Atheist or a Muslim sins, and does not try to become better.

    Christians and Jews try to improve and become kinder, more loving people.

    atheists do not care.

  464. on 19 Nov 2013 at 3:07 am 464.DPK said …

    “Why do these type of blogs always have these argumentative guys who find their manhood behind a laptop.”

    Probably for the same reason these types of blogs are always infiltrated by some judge mental, holier than thou Christian asshole who gets to decide who is a real Christian and who is not. They also get to dismiss someone’s lifetime experience with the lies that religions peddle by telling them it must be their fault.

    Messenger, you have absolutely no idea what kind of person I am, morally, and how kind and loving I am. For you to sit in judgement of me is not only huypocritical, it is decidedly unchristian. You are a bigot of the worst kind… A self righteous, idiotic one. Fuck you. You judge me to be evil because I see absolutely no reason to believe any of the claims you make about the existence of your god to be true. For that you judge me to be morally deficient, and you have no idea. Look in the mirror, douche bag. If your Jesus were real he would turn his back on you in disgust.

  465. on 19 Nov 2013 at 3:25 am 465.According to the “hor” said …

    “So DPK, you call me deluded, irrational and that I claim there are no true Christians as well as misrepresent Christianity? Then you have the chutzpah to warn me about another poster?”

    LOL!! Cass you picked up on DPK quickly. Atheists are very gullible. Anyone who is a theist they assume are Christians. Amazingly, they see themselves as ept theologians when they can’t even discern what a Christian is by definition! lol!!!

    But alas, I must come clean……I assume all atheists are Taoists! lol!!!!

  466. on 19 Nov 2013 at 7:15 am 466.Angus and Alexis said …

    “atheists do not care.”

    Utter crap.

    You know nothing of atheists, for every one is different.

    Stop being a bigot, self righteous twat.

  467. on 19 Nov 2013 at 3:26 pm 467.DPK said …

    So how about it Cass? Messenger says:

    “An Atheist or a Muslim sins, and does not try to become better. Christians and Jews try to improve and become kinder, more loving people.
    atheists do not care.”

    Is he a real christian? Since you and Hor/A/Crum have anointed yourselves the judges of who is and who is not a real christian, please tell us.
    Remember, Messenger is the same person who told us that he had actually visited heaven, spoken directly to god, and was sent here to deliver god’s word to us…. straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.
    Should we believe him, or you, or perhaps the lying shitsack “A”, or maybe even Solomon, who says you are destined for {{{HELL}}}? How do we decide which of you has the real truth and which of you are simply deluded?

  468. on 19 Nov 2013 at 6:02 pm 468.the hor said …

    “How do we decide which of you has the real truth and which of you are simply deluded?”

    Great question! Dippy, how do we know if you or Taoist atheist are telling us the real truth? Are you deluded or the Taoist? Taoist claim their version of atheism is correct……

    A real Christian? Simple, you go to the teachings of CHRIST to see if they follow what CHRIST teaches. Too logical for you? Lol!!!!

    You see the parallel there Mensa? CHRIST and CHRISTIAN…….lol!!!

  469. on 19 Nov 2013 at 7:17 pm 469.DPK said …

    ” how do we know if you or Taoist atheist are telling us the real truth?”

    I don’t really care in the least. You decide for yourself.

    Christ taught “judge not, lest ye be not judged.” You. Cass, and Messy are here judging me as to my morality and ethics, and as to whether other people here are “true Christians” or not, so to me that seems you must not be a follower of Christ’s teachings. I judge you to be not Christian.
    Jesus also said, “Go, sell all that you own, give to the poor, and come follow me.” Have you sold all that you own and given it to the poor, Hor? Why not?
    LOL… you should change you socks to Messy… it’s much more fitting.
    How come you won;t tell us if Messenger is a “true christian”? You had no trouble telling poor troubled Abby that she wasn’t. Messenger said he went to heaven and spoke to god. Do you believe he is telling the truth?

  470. on 19 Nov 2013 at 9:15 pm 470.the messenger said …

    464.DPK, you stated the following text. “a morally, and how kind and loving I am. For you to sit in judgement of me is not only huypocritical, it is decidedly unchristian.”

    Then you stated that I am a “bigot, self righteous, idiotic one.”

    I assure you that I am not a self righteous, idoit, or a Bigot.

    I can tell how moral you are, just by reading your comment.

    You are hateful and hostile towards me.

    I am not a bigot towards you. I do not hate you, I hate your ideas.

    Catholics and Jews live by a specific written moral code, therefore I know how loving and kind they are.

    Atheists do not live by any written moral code that I know of, therefore I do not know what they believe in or if they are loving or kind at all.

    All people have some love in them, but Catholics and Jews are bound to their moral code and try to obey it to the best of their ability. Atheists(having no specific moral values, laws, beliefs, or teachings) are not bound to any moral law that I know of, and therefore do not hold morality to be as important, therefore an atheist can run around and do all sorts of awful acts without quilt or punishment.

    I do not hate you, I hate your ideas.

  471. on 19 Nov 2013 at 9:25 pm 471.the messenger said …

    496.DPK, “judge not, lest ye be not judged.” means that if I judge you I will be judged as well. I do not care if I am judged or not. Unlike you, I am not that sensitive.

    Jesus only said “Go, sell all that you own, give to the poor, and come follow me.” to one man. That was not a command for everyone, but for the greedy man he was speaking too. That man loved his material possessions more than he loved the poor people. That command was only for that one man, not all people.

    Concerning the heaven thing you mentioned, I already stated that was just a dream in one of my past comments, understand?

  472. on 19 Nov 2013 at 10:45 pm 472.DPK said …

    “Catholics and Jews live by a specific written moral code, therefore I know how loving and kind they are.”

    Oh Jesus, here we go again. Where is this specific moral code. Show us.
    You can’t because it does not exist.

  473. on 19 Nov 2013 at 11:13 pm 473.alex said …

    “Concerning the heaven thing you mentioned, I already stated that was just a dream in one of my past comments, understand?”

    a fucking dream? bingo, motherfucker! this is what this whole shit-ass religion is all about.

    you assholes love to quote the “not a true christian shit” because it doesn’t exist except in your own individually fucked up minds.

    give me at least 3 criteria that constitute a true christian, i dare you, motherfucker. but you won’t because you know i’ll apply the shit and pronounce all these fucked up morons as true xtian. case closed.

  474. on 19 Nov 2013 at 11:19 pm 474.alex said …

    “Taoist claim their version of atheism is correct……”

    more predictable duplicate, redundant diarrhea shit from the resident hor motherfucker. feel free to search the term atheism and paste the results, you dumbshit. show where it lists the different versions of atheism? you’ve been told countless times, but you can’t comprehend because of visions of virgens? once again, you dumbass, atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

  475. on 19 Nov 2013 at 11:28 pm 475.the messenger said …

    472.DPK, it does exist.

    The Catholics live by the moral teachings in the gospels, and the Torah.

    The Jews(brothers of the Catholics) live by the Torah.

  476. on 19 Nov 2013 at 11:43 pm 476.the messenger said …

    500.alex, challenge excepted.

    A christian must try to live by the teachings of Jesus(love,forgiveness, humility, generosity, kindness, compassion, faith, hope, and mercy.

    A christian must love all people, regardless of race or religion(in your case, lack of religion).

    A christian must believe in GOD and except that Jesus is the messiah, the son of GOD, and GOD in human form(one part of trinity).

    A christian must follow all of that.

  477. on 20 Nov 2013 at 1:48 am 477.According to the “hor” said …

    Lets look at Dippy’s claim. Does the Bible REALLY say not to judge? If so, we would need no more jails, right? Actually the Bible teaches WE WILL be judged. No, actually Matthew is teaching us how to discern how to judge, not to refrain from judging! Those who like to misuses this verse do so because they have something to hide!

    Matthew 7

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

  478. on 20 Nov 2013 at 5:44 am 478.Abby said …

    Cassiopia… I was more Christian than you ever could be !!!! Not only in how I treated others but I was also faithful to God in many things you most likely would never ever be ! You do not know me and you do not know what MY walk was with GOD ! I gave up my whole life for this god you worship….. made sacrifices you would never have enough guts to do !I proved mt faithfulness over and beyond more than you would have the guts to…so do not think you can judge me or have prejudices against me ! That just proves you are not even a so called Christian you claim to
    be ! I speak for myself and for those innocent that cannot speak for themselves ( they are in too much pain and sick from starving !)…those dying babies in the poor countries ! Your God does nothing and has no mercy on them or for them ! It is people who try to help and some are atheists with compassion !
    You would have to prove Jesus is really god and divine and you cannot ! I look at reality…and I cannot worship a God who allow babies to suffer i hunger, sickness and pain and die while he sits on his throne gloating over all the worship he gets for doing nothing for them ! Now…if you are the kind of human being that can worship a god like that maybe you should look closer at yourself and what kind of person you really are because I have way to much feelings and compassion to worship someone like that !I imagine you could worship Hitler also if he convinced you he as god ? DO NOT JUDGE ME or anyone else you do not truly know ! Get off this site !

  479. on 20 Nov 2013 at 6:00 am 479.Abby said …

    Cassiopia….Why do Christians always think they are right in everything and why do they judge anyone who thinks or feels differently ? Why do you all think you are superior to everyone ? Since I do not believe what you believe would you like to burn me at the stake ?
    Does this mean I am a bad human being and evil ? Let people believe what they feel in their hearts to believe and leave us alone with your opinions ! On this site we feel differently than you do so accept it ! We have that right and our reasons and they are legit ! Tell you God in prayer that he himself if he is real has made us not believe in him !Your bible says that it is God ho reveals himself to us…and that we would not even know him if he didn’t ( in my own words but biblical )Therefore let him convince me in a way I can believe in my heart….if not it is his own fault I don’t believe. I am like Thomas….I need to stick my finger in the wounds and see him with my own eyes and see these so called miracles myself so that I may believe ! Isn’t that what your Jesus did them for ? So that they may believe ? I wasn’t there 2000 year ago and haven’t seen so there for I cannot believe !If he can heal back then….he can today also….but seems to not care to help us believe like he did for them back then !Maybe our souls don’t mean that much to him ?
    Anyway….let people have their own opinions and beliefs and you have yours…you are not always right !

  480. on 20 Nov 2013 at 6:14 am 480.Abby said …

    Messenger is saying that Islam is greedy for land etc.. etc….and that they kill innocent people in his name ? Hmm didn’t Christians do this throughout history ? They stole land from the Native Americans, made Africans slaves and so many other wicked and greedy things ! Christians think that they have this god given right to steal others land from them and commit crimes of hatred in Jehovah’s name! Stop speaking like a hypocrite against others when Christians do the very things you accuse others of doing !

  481. on 20 Nov 2013 at 6:25 am 481.Abby said …

    Messenger… Lot’s wife disobeyed god too many times on this earth so she deserves to die and be turned in to a pillar of salt ? Are you telling me honestly that YOU never in your life disobeyed god not even a few times ? I am sure you have many times just like Lots wife ! Beware your god is going to do the same thing to you and being a human who makes mistakes is not an excuse ! You are in big trouble ! If you preach to other you better make sure you are perfect in all things ! Jesus hates liars and hypocrites and see what you do in secret !

  482. on 20 Nov 2013 at 6:40 am 482.Abby said …

    DPK asked above… when it is ok to tell a lie and that it is never right to lie for anything or you will end up in hell etc… I have a short story to tell and you decide for yourself that answer….A pastor told us at church where I used to go when speaking about lying and that commandment ..that if he and his child were in a hostage situation and his child was hiding somewhere that if the hostage taker with intent to kill his child asked where the child was hiding…he would tell the truth so as not to lie and break that commandment even if his child would get killed ! Hmm..
    seriously if you were put into that situation I bet not one Christian on here would tell the truth and let their child get killed ! You might say you would now…but being in that situation you would change your mind quickly ! There are times that you might have to tell an untruth if it means saving a life among other things ! If not your are just sick in the head ! Lets be real … it is easy to preach something but not when you end up for real in that situation yourself ! Talk is easy and cheap !

  483. on 20 Nov 2013 at 6:46 am 483.Abby said …

    Thou shalt not bare false witness against thy neighbor is the commandment…..thou shalt not lie is a translation that came much later…
    Baring false witness against your neighbor could possibly mean something to do with testifying etc..
    and that you should tell the truth and not lie about someone when doing so. Really like all churches and the bible..it is up to interpretation by whomever is teaching or reading it and all churches seem to disagree with each other about everything !

  484. on 20 Nov 2013 at 7:11 am 484.Abby said …

    I was just thinking that maybe all of us who do suffer in this world ..are suffering because we are the dogs under the table as the bible says…only there are no crumbs for us under the table left !..LOL….how unfortunate for us ! Fact is the bible also says deferred hopes makes the heat sick ! If people who have suffered way to long in life do not have God to relieve them by healing them or helping them in tangible ways to bring some relief and hope…that person will become sick in many ways. I know there are other out there who are suffering..some more than me..but this does not mean I am not suffering !I grew up in abuse as a child, neglected, abandoned and unloved by my parents..my sibling did the same to me..then I was abused and almost killed by a man I had a relationship with…everyone cheated on me that I have ever been with.. I was always told I was ugly and worthless. No one stood by me in life and helped me not even in church ! Used and now totally alone in life with no one and scarred from the abuse.. I prated over and over for god to heal my scars as they kept me fro having a job and left me in poverty and depression for 20 years ! I am still in the same situation now ! I lost my job to obey god and everything I had and left with nothing god abandoned me and never even helped me a tiny bit ! I am thinking of ending my life everyday !I have no future worth anything. all my hopes and dreams are doomed already..if Jesus can hold back a simple healing from someone who trusted him and was faithful to him knowing it could change my life forever for the best and make me a better person and more productive why then does he turn his back on me ? Well he did and he didn’t care…so therefor I turned away also.. only now I do not even believe he was ever real ! I put hope in something not real ! No crumbs left under the table for me ( the dog) I guess ! If I was God I would help so many people and change their lives for the best forever !No starving children or hurting people ! You see I have compassion that would move me to do something good for them ! Action is better than words !

  485. on 20 Nov 2013 at 12:04 pm 485.Cassiopia said …

    From Abby “Why do you all think you are superior to everyone ? Since I do not believe what you believe would you like to burn me at the stake ?”

    Where did I claim I was superior? From your comments I still gather you still consider believing in God to make an individual a Christian. If that is your opinion you have a right to it, but that is not what Jesus taught or what the Bible states.

    Why are you becoming so unglued? Where did I state I want to see you burn at a stake or that Christians don’t take actions to help the unfortunate?

    Christians are always the first to respond to disasters, not atheists. Christian groups are all over the world helping the unfortunate.

    Let me make one more observation. Do you know the Scripture speaks of those who claim to be Christians but are not and they walk away? I don’t want to be considered superior by pointing the verses out so you may want to look into it.

  486. on 20 Nov 2013 at 12:53 pm 486.Angus and Alexis said …

    Cassiopia said.
    “Christians are always the first to respond to disasters, not atheists. Christian groups are all over the world helping the unfortunate.”

    To cassiopia.
    Do not worry about me, i will pray for your health and nutrition while i sit on this golden throne.
    From the Pope.

  487. on 20 Nov 2013 at 4:06 pm 487.DPK said …

    471.the messenger said …

    “496.DPK, “judge not, lest ye be not judged.” means that if I judge you I will be judged as well. I do not care if I am judged or not. Unlike you, I am not that sensitive.”

    No, you don’t get to change what it says to suit your needs. It says, “Do not judge unless you yourself are above judgement.” Are you? “Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.” Means the same thing and shows that Jesus clearly meant that you are not to stand in judgement of others… something you do all the time with blanket, ignorant statements like all atheists and muslims are evil.

    “Jesus only said “Go, sell all that you own, give to the poor, and come follow me.” to one man.”

    hahahaha… there you go again. So when he said “Love one another as I have loved you”, that was only for the people standing around him at the moment? You’re an ass. The bible is purpoted to be god’s instructions to humanity. Why would he include an instruction meant for only one person? You are ridiculous in your self delusion.

    “Concerning the heaven thing you mentioned, I already stated that was just a dream in one of my past comments, understand?”

    Yes, I understand that you initially attempted to deceive us by lying about it, and only changed your story when it was pointed out to you that false prophets have a special place reserved in hell, closer to the furnace. Then you decided to admit it was a dream… but you KNEW it was a dream all along, didn’t you? Goes to the heart of people like you and A, who are judgmental of others, and perfectly willing to make up lies in order to convince other people you are right. You are the worst kind huckster.

    And you claim you are not bigoted? You make blanket statements like: “An Atheist or a Muslim sins, and does not try to become better. Christians and Jews try to improve and become kinder, more loving people.
    atheists do not care.” That is the ultimate form of bigotry… casting one characteristic over everyone and claiming they are all the same.

    Now as for your absolute moral code:
    The things you mentioned are not an absolute moral code, they are guidelines. There is noting absolute in them. For example, is it ever ok to kill someone? When is it ok, and when is it not ok? Is it ever ok to lie? When and when not… how do you know? If a supreme being gave us an absolute moral code, there could be no room for disagreement, no judgments, no gray area that requires you to think and make a judgement…

  488. on 20 Nov 2013 at 5:49 pm 488.the hor said …

    “Cassiopia… I was more Christian than you ever could be !!!! Not only in how I treated others but I was also faithful to God in many things you most likely would never ever be !”

    Abby you and dippy state not to judge under any circumstances. You just judged someone you don’t even know quite harshly.

    You also seem to see yourself as “Superior” to Cass who you don’t even know.

    What does “more Christian” even me? Aren’t Christians all sinners saved by grace through faith?

    Abby your are kettle.

  489. on 20 Nov 2013 at 6:38 pm 489.DPK said …

    Yes Abby… notice that no matter what you have to say, it’s always YOUR fault? No explanation as to why loving Jesus lets thousands of children die each day of starvation, sickness, cancer, and natural disasters. No explanation as to why good decent people suffer while the sickening like of hucksters like Fallwell, Robertson, and Osteen enrich themselves by feeding of the hopes and fears of the gullible.
    You are not a good Christian… simple as that!
    You are right in rejecting these people, they are evil at their very core. Self absorbed and arrogant beyond all comprehension. (see how much Jesus loves ME? He helped me find my car keys that I lost!! Praise Jesus!) And if you dare challenge them to actually provide ANY reason why anyone should believe any of their silly claims, they cry persecution and try to change the subject.

  490. on 20 Nov 2013 at 7:14 pm 490.the hor said …

    “You are right in rejecting these people, they are evil at their very core. Self absorbed and arrogant beyond all comprehension.”

    Now we have dippy judging others, and one who is dead!!!!! But they just recycle the same tired lines. Lol!!!

    Yes,I remember the celebration of atheist when Falwell died. Such a sweet, loving, wonderful group of kettles…….or are they pots?

    lol!!!!

  491. on 20 Nov 2013 at 7:26 pm 491.DPK said …

    “Now we have dippy judging others, and one who is dead!!!!!”

    I’m not claiming to be a christian, ASS… yes I judge you. In my judgement you are a despicable human being. But I don’t broaden that characterization to include all Christians. I judge you by your behavior, not your beliefs.. see the difference.

    “But they just recycle the same tired lines. Lol!!!”

    I notice that’s not an answer though… LOL indeed.

    Abby, there is a simple reason as to why god has seemed to have abandoned you. It’s not anything you did, failed to do, believed or failed to believe. It is simply because god is completely imaginary. Once you realize that you can put your anger and hurt aside and move on living a rational existence.

  492. on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:30 pm 492.the messenger said …

    516.DPK, GOD puts bad things in our lives so that we will learn to overcome them and learn how to resist evil.

    Romans 5:3-5

    New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

    3 And not only that, but we[a] also boast in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit that has been given to us.

  493. on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:33 pm 493.the messenger said …

    518.DPK, you hypocrite.

    You judge us all the time.

  494. on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:40 pm 494.the messenger said …

    514.DPK, I didn’t change what it said, I simply put it into simpler words for you.

    Here is a better translation of that verse.

    Perhaps you will understand this one better.

    Matthew 7:1-3

    New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

    Judging Others

    7 “Do not judge, so that you MAY NOT BE JUDGED. 2 For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. 3 Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s[a] eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?

    As you can clearly see, that verse does not mean “Do not judge unless you yourself are above judgement.”

  495. on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:42 pm 495.DPK said …

    493.the messenger said …

    “518.DPK, you hypocrite.

    You judge us all the time.”

    You don’t get it, do you. Yes… I judge YOU. I’m not on here telling people how I’m a good Christian and they are not. I also don’t make blanket statements that all Christians have no morals, that they are all anything. I judge you for what you say and what you do… not by what you call yourself. You, Mr. Messenger, are no Christian.

  496. on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:42 pm 496.the messenger said …

    514.DPK, I did not lie, I simply did some investigating and found no evidence to support that what I saw was no more than a dream.

  497. on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:47 pm 497.the messenger said …

    I never said that I was a good Christian, although I try to be.

    I am not perfect, I know that all people sin.

    I am simply preaching about the path to overcoming evil and how true Christians try to follow the path, although they do mess up sometimes.

    Stop spreading lies about what we say and do.

  498. on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:49 pm 498.the messenger said …

    514.DPK, you do not follow the teachings and morals that make a person kinder(the gospel and Torah) and are therefore not improving at all.

  499. on 20 Nov 2013 at 9:52 pm 499.the messenger said …

    514.DPK, there is no grey area, it is an absolute moral code.

    furthermore, the verse actually says the word murder, not “kill”.

    It is never ok to lie.

  500. on 20 Nov 2013 at 10:08 pm 500.DPK said …

    514.DPK, there is no grey area, it is an absolute moral code.

    furthermore, the verse actually says the word murder, not “kill”.

    It is never ok to lie.

    hahahahaha…. so when the person breaks into your house and asks you if you daughter is home so he can rape and murder her… you have to tell him the truth? LOL… what an imbecile.

  501. on 20 Nov 2013 at 10:11 pm 501.DPK said …

    So let me pose a moral situation for you Messy.
    Let’s say an out of control train is heading down the tracks and is going to hit a crowd of 100 people… likely killing them all.
    You have control of a switch that can divert the train to another track where one lone man is working. If you pull the switch, you will save 100 people, but you will kill (murder… with foreknowledge and certainty) the one innocent man. What does your absolute moral code tell you you should do? Don’t tell us what you THINK… tell us what it SAYS. It is absolute, after all, isn’t it?

  502. on 21 Nov 2013 at 12:35 am 502.the messenger said …

    500.DPK, I have a house security system and a semi automatic rifle.

    He would be arrested, wounded, or dead before he got a chance to rape her. Even if he did get past all of that, I wouldn’t tell him.

    I would rather die that let someone get raped.

  503. on 21 Nov 2013 at 12:48 am 503.the messenger said …

    529.DPK, if a train were coming, any railroad worker would know to immediately evacuate the tracks. Furthermore, rail road tracks are not very wide, so it would only take one or two steps to get off it. Plus I could probably contact the rail road worker in advance and tell him to get off the track, due to the fact that most railroad workers carry some type of radio(like a walkytalky with them) or a cell phone with them.

    I would then pull the lever and send the train away from the crowd.

  504. on 21 Nov 2013 at 12:49 am 504.the messenger said …

    529.DPK, I wouldn’t tell him where she was.

    I would just not answer him.

  505. on 21 Nov 2013 at 12:53 am 505.the messenger said …

    529.DPK, even if I couldn’t warn the worker, I would still send the train his way because it would save more people.

    It wouldn’t be murder because I wouldn’t want it to kill him, and I would be doing it to save lives, and is therefore justified, plus either way it might kill someone(unless they get off the track in time).

  506. on 21 Nov 2013 at 12:56 am 506.the messenger said …

    529.DPK, I am waiting for your response, Brother.

  507. on 21 Nov 2013 at 2:16 am 507.DPK said …

    Ok, despite trying desperately to change the conditions… Moving the goal posts, you evaded showing where your absolute moral code instructs you on what to do. Instead, you tried to rationalize a way around it. “I wouldn’t tell him”. Ok, good. What if not saying anything would cause him to assume she was there, and therefore find her… But if you lied and convinced him she wasn’t there, she would be safe… Would it then be ok to lie? Hunt, of course it would.

    Now, the train problem. Again, no fair trying to change the rules. Finally, you admitted that it would be ok to deliberately kill one man to save 100. I agree, as do most people, regardless of religion or lack thereof.

    Now, let’s change the premise just a little. The train is still coming down the tracks, but there is no switch. Instead, you are on a bridge above the train with a big fat man. Tf you push the fat man onto the path of the train, he is sufficiently large enough to stop the train before it reaches the people. You are not large enough, so jumping yourself is not going to save anyone… But pushing the fat man to his death will.
    No changing the conditions… It is what it is. What does your absolute moral code say? Is it ok to push the fat man to his certain death to save the other people?
    Show how you reach your conclusion based on the absolute moral code you claim exists with no gray areas.

  508. on 21 Nov 2013 at 2:33 am 508.the hor said …

    “What does your absolute moral code tell you you should do? Don’t tell us what you”

    I’d radio the one man and pull the switch, but wait!

    Is it a fat man?

    Is the 100 atheists or theists or Hindus?

    why are 100 people on the tack?

    Do the 100 want to die?

    lol!!!!!!

    “It is simply because god is completely imaginary. ”

    sigh! Prove it……the fact you must argue SO MUCH tells us all you don’t believe your own tripe fat man…..lol!!!!!

  509. on 21 Nov 2013 at 3:32 am 509.DPK said …

    Something you want to add to the discussion, Hor, or did you just come here to mock?
    Maybe you can help poor Meesh out of the hole he’s dug for himself. Can journals show him where to find the absolute, no gray area moral code he says you Christians follow? The one that says you should never kill anyone and when the nazi’s come looking for the Jews hiding in your basement, you are forbidden to lie to them?

    If you can’t, then maybe you should play it smart and shut the fuck up and leave him twisting in the wind, like a true Christian.

  510. on 21 Nov 2013 at 3:38 am 510.DPK said …

    “What does your absolute moral code tell you you should do? Don’t tell us what you”
    I’d radio the one man and pull the switch, but wait!

    No radio. Don’t change the rules to evade the tough question.

    Is it a fat man?

    Does it matter? Is it ok to kill a fat man?

    Is the 100 atheists or theists or Hindus?

    Does it matter? Is it ok to kill atheists or Hindus? Assume you don’t know.

    why are 100 people on the tack?

    Doesn’t matter. Is it ok to let them die if you can save them?

    Do the 100 want to die?

    Does it mater? Is it ok to let them die if they do? Assume they do not, as most people don’t.

    lol!!!!!!

    LOL indeed. You’re evading? Why? Your absolute moral code should be able to tell you exactly what to do… Shouldn’t it?

  511. on 21 Nov 2013 at 4:08 am 511.the messenger said …

    507.DPK, I did not change the conditions.

    You asked me “so when the person breaks into your house and asks you if you daughter is home so he can rape and murder her… you have to tell him the truth?”.

    You said that if someone breaks into my house, and fortunately my house equipt with various guns an knifes and a security system, therefore I could easily fight off any threat that comes into my house.

    I would not have to tell him anything.

    But if he did have me at gun point and asked me where my daughter was, I would say that I don’t know, and that would be the truth because I truly would not know her exact location. I would tell him the truth but not every detail.

    If he asked me if she was in the house, I would say she is not, and that would be the truth due to the fact that until I actually see her exact location she could be considered as both i n and outside of the house.

    There is always a way around lying.

  512. on 21 Nov 2013 at 4:18 am 512.the messenger said …

    537.DPK, the law does not state that killing is not allowed, it states that murder is not allowed.(New revised catholic version).

    If a Natzi asked me if there are Jews in my home, I would tell him that their are none, and that would be true due to the fact that where they are currently located is classified as their home, not mine.

    In situations such as that, certain details are rearranged in classification in order r=to stay truthful and keep the Jews safe.

    In a non life threatening situation I would revert the classifications back to normal.

  513. on 21 Nov 2013 at 4:26 am 513.DPK said …

    Notice readers, what the Christians here instinctively do when faced with a case of situational ethics that challenges their contention of an absolute moral code with no gray areas.
    First, they try to cheat. They try to find away around the set conditions by moving the goalposts. “There is always a way around lying.” No, there isn’t ” always a way. What if you don’t have an alarm system and a gun. What if saying nothing would harm someone, but lying would save them? Is it still wrong to lie, or is it sometimes more wrong to not lie?
    “I’d radio the msn first”. A railroad worker wouldn’t be on the tracks. These are ways they try to cheat to avoid answering the question which will prove them wrong.

    When they doesn’t work, they desperately try to change the subject. “What are 100 people doing on the tracks? ” are they atheists?

    The question you must ask is simply this… If they in fact have an absolute moral code with no gray areas given my an omniscient omnipotent bring, why can’t they just simply answer the question?
    The short answer is, the bible says not to lie, therefore I cannot deceive someone in order to save someone else. The bible says not to kill, therefore I cannot do something (pull the switch or push the fat man) that will intentionally cause his death. The death of the other 100 people is not my doing.
    The reason they cannot say this is because everyone knows it isn’t that simple, snd it is most definitely not absolute.

  514. on 21 Nov 2013 at 4:30 am 514.According to the “hor” said …

    “when the nazi’s come looking for the Jews hiding in your basement, you are forbidden to lie to them”

    If Nazis come looking for Jews, I will be asking to point me in the the direction of the time machine!

    lol!!!!

    Silly Dippy, stop judging (KETTLE) the morality of others when you can’t even provide a source for your own. A dead issue you have been exposed and embarrassed on SOOOOOO many times. I mean really, arguing morality with a guy who has no capacity to evaluate morality? lol!!!

    If you are in my basement, I will count the silerware before you leave!

    lol!!!

  515. on 21 Nov 2013 at 4:36 am 515.the messenger said …

    538.DPK, In a situation where a person is going to die no matter what choice you make, it is morally right to save the greater majority of people, unless they deserve to die.

    That is explained by this law: Exodus 21:13
    If it was not premeditated, but came about by an act of God, then I will appoint for you a place to which the killer may flee.

    In the train situation that you gave me, either way someone was going to die, so therefore I am not murdering anyone, I am simply preventing the larger amount of people from dying and thus making the best choice in a “premeditated by GOD” death or death situation. It is justified and GOD will protect me.

  516. on 21 Nov 2013 at 4:42 am 516.the messenger said …

    541.DPK,here is what I would do if I didn’t have a gun or a security security system.

    If he did have me at gun point and asked me where my daughter was, I would say that I don’t know, and that would be the truth because I truly would not know her exact location. I would tell him the truth but not every detail.
    If he asked me if she was in the house, I would say she is not, and that would be the truth due to the fact that until I actually see her exact location she could be considered as both in and outside of the house.

    Lying is not needed.

  517. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:00 am 517.DPK said …

    “the train situation that you gave me, either way someone was going to die, so therefore I am not murdering anyone, ”

    Haha, squirm squirm… No, messy the single man was not going to die… Your action will kill him. No changing the rules. You can choose to intentionally kill one man or do nothing. What does your absolute morality say?

    You Do know her exact location, you know where is is, you must lie to save her. Saying nothing or telling the truth will result in her harm or death. Squirm squirm…. Maybe you mean to say “well it depends on the circumstance. ” I may have to lie if it is for a good reason? That’s not absolute.

    Hor, time machines now? That’s your ploy? Why can’t you answer the questions?

  518. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:15 am 518.DPK said …

    Ok, messy has at least made an attempt to answer the question.
    He believes it is morally right to pull the switch and kill the one person in order to save 100 people. Good. I agree, as do most people.

    Now answer the second question. If you needed to push the man off the overpass, against his will, in order to save 100 people… Is that ok?

    Ignore Hor, he is desperately trying to change the subject so you don’t answer.

  519. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:26 am 519.the messenger said …

    517.DPK, It is morally right, according to biblical law and teachings, to kill in order to save another life or the majority of lives.

    It is not murder though because no matter what choice I make, someone would die, and I would be averting the threat away from the larger population thus saving many lives, that is justified by Biblical laws and teachings and is not considered murder because I would not want either side to die, but I would rather the larger amount of people live.

  520. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:32 am 520.the messenger said …

    545.DPK, how would I know her exact location or if she is in the house or not with out actually seeing her?

    If I could see her then the burglar would be able to see her as well and then lying or not wouldn’t make a difference because by then I wouldn’t be able to prevent him from raping her.

  521. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:37 am 521.the messenger said …

    546.DPK, brother hor has a good point.

    God made these laws for us to live by in real life situations, therefore if you wish to have a logical debate about this you must provide possible scenarios to use. unrealistic ones do not count.

  522. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:41 am 522.the messenger said …

    546.DPK, if the 100 people were murderous and very sinful, and the one man was a honest, kind, righteous man, then it would be morally right to save him instead of the 100 people.

  523. on 21 Nov 2013 at 7:37 am 523.Angus and Alexis said …

    Great, so messenger is a murderer…

  524. on 21 Nov 2013 at 12:02 pm 524.According to the “hor” said …

    Now suppose the 100 on the track were aliens with superpowers, then you let the train hit them. Then I would beam up the one man on the track to save him from the aliens. Problem solved.

    The man with the gun? As he is adjusting the grip on his gun I pull my .44 and disarm him. I take the two guns and hold the nazis captive. Problem solved.

    There you go, playing by the rules….making up my own scenarios. lol!!!

    Butterfly, stop judging. You are the pot! lol!!!

  525. on 21 Nov 2013 at 1:45 pm 525.DPK said …

    on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:41 am 523.the messenger said …
    546.DPK, if the 100 people were murderous and very sinful, and the one man was a honest, kind, righteous man, then it would be morally right to save him instead of the 100 people.

    Good answer. So what you are saying is it depends on the circumstances. Right?

  526. on 21 Nov 2013 at 1:47 pm 526.DPK said …

    Hor, I know answering anything honestly is impossible for you.

    Why wouldn’t you just say a prayer and leave the whole
    Situation up to god?

  527. on 21 Nov 2013 at 2:51 pm 527.DPK said …

    Now messy, answer the 2nd question. You have told us that your absolute moral code with no gray areas tells you to deliberately kill the one man in order to save 100…. Unless, (oops! There goes your no gray area condition) the one man is righteous and all the others were evil. So, what you are saying is that it is morally ok to kill 100 evil people to save one good person.

    Ok… Now what about scenario 2? You still must kill one to save 100, but this time you have to physically push a man against his will off a bridge to his certain death.
    Assume you know nothing about him, or his character. He is just a stranger.

    No fair changing the rules to avoid making a determination. You claimed to have an absolute moral code that tells you exactly what to do…. The way you are waffling and trying to change the hypothetical situation to suit you tells me you are not able to produce this absolute code. This isn’t about me, it’s about you.

  528. on 21 Nov 2013 at 4:45 pm 528.the hor said …

    “No fair changing the rules to avoid making a determination”

    No fair? Lol!!!!! Dippy makes up stupid scenarios involving fat men and Nazis and all of us MUST play by his rules…..AND get this Mess, He and HE alone gets to determine if what you would do is moral.

    Now, what is his moral code he bases his conclusions on? His opinion of course. The ultimate in arrogance.

    lol!!!!

  529. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:27 pm 529.DPK said …

    529.the hor said …

    “No fair changing the rules to avoid making a determination”

    No, we are just examining the functional claim that there is an absolute moral code that determines what is right and wrong as you and messy have claimed.

    The fact you don’t like a scenario only demonstrates the falseness of your claim? Don’t like Nazi’s? Nazi’s existed and hunted people to kill them. Fact. Good people hid them and lied about it. Messenger says that is wrong. I take it you disagree? So, it happened in recent history.. so what? Substitute African warlords if you like. Doesn’t matter. The point that terrifies you is that there are time when it is wrong to lie and times when it is better to lie. There are times when it is wrong to kill, and times when the situation requires it, and it is entirely possible for 2 honest (I know they lets you out), intelligent and moral people to disagree about it. Because your morality is not absolute, and it is not god given. The simple fact that you steadfastly refuse to answer the questions is ample proof of that.

  530. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:50 pm 530.the hor said …

    “The point that terrifies you is that there are time when it is wrong to lie and times when it is better to lie”

    It is terrifying? Oh no! Help me dippy! Tell me when I should lie and when I shouldn’t. I need you great wisdom. Could you point me to your code that I can follow?

    I no longer want to be terrified, especially if these African warlords. Lol!!

  531. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:51 pm 531.DPK said …

    BTW… I am not making any moral judgements here at all, and I am not “determining if what you do is moral or not”. I am just asking you to show us what your absolute moral code says. All you try to do is change the situation so you can avoid answering the question. Transporter beams, aliens? How desperate ARE you?

    LOL this keeps getting better and better watching you try to wriggle and squirm… time machines!! hahahahahaha!

  532. on 21 Nov 2013 at 5:54 pm 532.DPK said …

    “It is terrifying? Oh no! Help me dippy! Tell me when I should lie and when I shouldn’t. I need you great wisdom. Could you point me to your code that I can follow?”

    I am not the one offering an absolute moral code there Hor. That would be um.. you. Now you resort to trying to reverse the burden onto me? You really are getting quite desperate now… It’s ok. We know why. Your claim is false. If it were true you would have no trouble answering the simple questions. But instead all you do is squirm and wiggle. LOL indeed.

  533. on 21 Nov 2013 at 10:34 pm 533.According to the “hor” said …

    “I am not the one offering an absolute moral code there Hor.”

    Oh No!!!! Then how will I know when it is OK? How will I know if I should kill the fat guy or skinny guy?

    Do I ask Richard Dawkins’? He claims to be an ethicist.

    Maybe I should ask the atheist here who said parents who teach kids about God should be jailed?

    Maybe the atheists who support killing babies hanging 50% outside the womb?

    What about atheist in China and Russia who murder gays and Christians?

    Such a tough choice? Who to ask? Awww, it doesn’t matter, nothing is immoral, its all just relative.

    LOL!!!!!

  534. on 21 Nov 2013 at 10:48 pm 534.DPK said …

    “Oh No!!!! Then how will I know when it is OK? How will I know if I should kill the fat guy or skinny guy?”

    Well, you are the one who claims that there exists an absolute moral code, so why are you asking me?
    You’re so funny. You can’t answer, can you?

    Why not????

    LOL… your desperate attempts to divert the conversation are so pathetic. Messenger says you can kill the one man to save the 100. He won’t answer if there is a difference between pulling a switch and pushing him to his death with his bare hands. What if instead of a man, it’s a mother with a young baby who must die to save the 100? Does that make a difference? Is it just a matter of numbers, or is it who is involved? What if you had to kill 80 to save 100? Is that still ok? What does your god given moral code say?
    You say it is absolute, and leaves no gray areas… what’s the problem?

  535. on 21 Nov 2013 at 11:06 pm 535.DPK said …

    Notice readers, 2 things… Messenger, who has a habit of posting 12 posts in a row and then impatiently demanding immediate answers from others, has stopped responding… presumably while he consults his priest or minister as to what he should say next.
    Hor/Ass/Crum has tried everything he can think of to change the conversation so he doesn’t have to answer the simple direct questions. He thinks that everyone is too stupid to notice that he is unable to answer.
    He will now disappear and another sock puppet will appear and try to sidetrack things….. watch.

    For what it is worth, the train scenario is a well known study in situational ethics. When a broad cross section of people of various faiths and nationalities were queried, the results were surprisingly similar. Almost universally the vast majority of people said that in scenario #1, it would be morally correct to pull the switch and kill the single man in order to save the multitude. This was across all religions and even those who were agnostic or atheistic.
    In scenario 2 however, the majority of people said that it was not morally acceptable to PUSH the fat man to his death to save the others. Curious, because both scenarios have the same ultimate outcome… the single man is sacrificed to save the many. The only difference is the mechanism of the execution. This is across all religious and non-religious segments of the population. Why the difference? Who knows, but it definitely exists.

    So much for the idea of a god given absolute moral code. Since the outcomes are the same, an absolute moral code would always be the same for both scenarios.

  536. on 21 Nov 2013 at 11:49 pm 536.the messenger said …

    525.DPK, it does depend on the situation.

  537. on 21 Nov 2013 at 11:53 pm 537.the hor said …

    How fat is the fat man?

    Is he Stalin?

    How do we know pushing the fat man will gain desired results?

    Is he a Nazi or African warlord?

    Hey! Can we ask his preference?

    can we call Richard Dawkins?

    Suppose he is too fat to push?

    My fellow readers I implore you. Let us all request Dippy answer these relevant questions!

    lol!!!

  538. on 21 Nov 2013 at 11:54 pm 538.the messenger said …

    555.DPK, the law states that if a innocent person is in danger, it is alright to kill the evil people in order to save the life of the one righteous man.

    If both, the one man, and the 100 people are good, the majority must be saved.

  539. on 22 Nov 2013 at 12:03 am 539.the messenger said …

    555.DPK, I would trust in GOD and I would push him on to the tracks and pray that those people were good.

  540. on 22 Nov 2013 at 12:10 am 540.Angus and Alexis said …

    “555.DPK, the law states that if a innocent person is in danger, it is alright to kill the evil people in order to save the life of the one righteous man.
    If both, the one man, and the 100 people are good, the majority must be saved.”

    Congratulations, you broke the law.

    Prepare a life sentence.

  541. on 22 Nov 2013 at 12:13 am 541.the messenger said …

    555.DPK, the laws in the bible were made by GOD for us to use in real life situations.

    Please provide Possible situations to use in this debate.

    The fat man situation would never happen in real life, because a train would not be stopped by a fat man, and I would not be able to push him.

  542. on 22 Nov 2013 at 12:25 am 542.the messenger said …

    557.DPK, it is good to hide the jews from the natzis, but it is wrong to lie.

    I provided ways to not lie and still keep the natzis from knowing that jews are in your house.

    Lying is not necessary.

  543. on 22 Nov 2013 at 1:14 am 543.the messenger said …

    534.DPK, the law states that innocent people must be saved before the bad people.
    I would save the mother and her baby by sending the train towards the 100 people, unless they had babes too.

  544. on 22 Nov 2013 at 1:16 am 544.the messenger said …

    563.DPK, morals extend past life or death situations.

    Such as everyday life.

  545. on 22 Nov 2013 at 1:34 am 545.the messenger said …

    563.DPK, the moral code that GOD made, supports the following.

    In both situations, it would morally right(according to the laws in the bible) to save the 100 people and the people on the train by killing the one worker and the fat man, unless the 100 people and the people on the train were evil and the fat man and the worker were good, then it would be morally right(according to biblical law) to save the one worker and the fat man instead of the 100 people and the train passengers.

  546. on 22 Nov 2013 at 2:17 pm 546.DPK said …

    I see. So your absolute moral code says it is better to deliberately kill one person in order to save several, unless it is a mother and a child, of course, but first you have to make a judgement as to whether the single man is good or band, and whether each of the 100 people are good or bad.
    That’s hardly absolute, since you have to make a judgment. Lol.

    Silly messy, you are proving my point with each rambling incoherent post. But at least you get credit for having balls enough to try and answer honestly. Notice Hor would not do so, instead preferring to dodge and weave to avoid looking foolish.

  547. on 22 Nov 2013 at 2:36 pm 547.DPK said …

    Perhaps poor messenger does not understand the definition of “absolute”.
    Here it is mess: “viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative.”

    We have asked you to explain how the absolute morality provided by your god applies in a hypothetical situation. With every answer you first tried to change the conditions, then proceeded to add a bunch of conditions; well, this, unless, this, then, that…. And so on and so on. That is the very definition of “relative” not “absolute”.

    So, your religion, at best, provide you some relative moral guidelines that you use to make a judgement about what is the moral or ethical thing to do in a particular situation.
    These guidelines, like “be kind to others” “don’t take what doesn’t belong to you” and “don’t kill anyone” are simple ideas that children understand intrinsically by the time they 2nd grade. And they transcend religion and culture. You don’t need a bible to know it is wrong to steal. But your biblical code is clearly not absolute, it is not superior, and it is clearly not provided by some omniscient perfect being.

    By the way, you may be interested to know that the vast majority of people conclude that morally it is not ok to push the fat man off the bridge, even to save the crowd. And, legally, that would be considered murder…. Because in scenario one, your intention was to divert the train, and the mans death was incidental. In scenario 2, your intention was to kill the man.

  548. on 22 Nov 2013 at 6:00 pm 548.the hor said …

    “You don’t need a bible to know it is wrong to steal.”

    Then how do we know? You and your atheist buddies have admitted it is OK to steal sometimes.

    When?
    How much?
    From who?

    Watch this everyone! This will be good! I’ll get the popcorn!

  549. on 22 Nov 2013 at 6:03 pm 549.the hor said …

    PS”. I have gotten the popcorn before. DIppy will not answer but will just criticize Bible/God/Christians….etc. Anyone with solid morals who helps others around the world…

    …..Sigh……

  550. on 22 Nov 2013 at 6:14 pm 550.DPK said …

    Of course I will answer. Unlike you, who NEVER responds to direct questions… I answer.

    “You and your atheist buddies have admitted it is OK to steal sometimes.

    When?
    How much?
    From who?”

    It depends.
    Now, based on your absolute moral code of the bible, do you contend there could never, ever be a time to take something that does not belong to you?

    Do you agree with Messy that it is ok to push the fat man from the bridge, against his will, to his certain death in order to save more than one other person?

    Do you agree that if you judge the other people to be “bad” then it is ok to let them die instead of the fat man who is good?

    Show us what your absolute moral code says please. I’ve had my popcorn ready for quite a long time now….

  551. on 22 Nov 2013 at 6:31 pm 551.DPK said …

    Readers:

    Here is the thing, and why Hor won’t answer…
    He and Messy both claim that their actions would be dictated by an absolute moral code found in the bible.
    So, if he disagrees with Messy, that means the moral code is not absolute, but relative, because they have both consulted the code and come to 2 different conclusions. This is not possible if there is an absolute moral code.

    On the other hand, if he agrees with Messy, that one must weigh the circumstances and make an individual judgement and decide for yourself what is the right thing, than that means the moral code is not absolute, but relative, because the value of lives depends on making a judgement on the relative value of another human being.

    So, he is fucked either way. That is why he will instead ignore the question and try to focus on fat men, transporter beams, time machines, Richard Dawkins, evil atheists, and any other garbage he can try to throw in the pot to desperately try to divert attention from the fact that the code of absolute morality he claims to live by is as completely imaginary as his god.

    The proof is in the pudding… let’s see if he will answer the direct question, as I have.

  552. on 22 Nov 2013 at 7:01 pm 552.Bobby said …

    I am kinda new here, and have been following some of the threads with interest.

    While I would basically describe myself as a believer, I have to say it has been interesting to watch DPK completely dismantle messenger’s position over and over. The bible’s messages always have to be interpreted and we each have to decide for ourselves what is right and wrong. That is why we have so many different religions based on the same holy book. I really don’t see any way around that. The bible says “Thou shalt not kill”, but everyone knows there are times when it is permissible to kill. Same with lying, stealing, etc. It always has to depend on the circumstances. The bible also give instructions about owning slaves, and everyone knows that isn’t right, so you can’t take it as an absolute set of rules. Each person must decide for himself, in good conscious, what is right and wrong. I mean even ministers can’t agree on things like gay rights, some oppose it, some are for it.

    To “the hor”, if your goal is to promote your faith in God, you aren’t doing a very good job, I don’t think. I believe in God and his goodness, but it is pretty obvious to me that you always avoid answering questions and just try to sound superior and make fun of people without actually engaging in any honest debate. If I was on the fence about my beliefs, I don’t think you would do much to win me over to your side. All I can say is that at least the atheists here present their ideas logically and defend them. All you do is try to mock people and call them names. Just some advice from someone who cares, “LOL” is not a rebuttal, and when you do that, it makes people think you probably don’t have any actual answer to the problem. Not all questions regarding faith in Our Lord have answers. Sometimes you have to admit that all you have is faith, and that has to be enough. I can certainly understand if it isn’t enough for some people though, and I don’t mock them or make fun of them for it. I don’t think Jesus would do that either.

    I just wanted to give you all some perspective from someone of faith who is observing this without getting sucked into an argument. Peace.

  553. on 22 Nov 2013 at 7:46 pm 553.the hor said …

    “It depends.”

    There you go.

    1. Dad should I steal?
    2. Sure son, just remember, it all depends

    lol!!! Yes, great advice there Dippy.

    Bobby,
    If you are not one one of the may sock-puppets of the atheists, go to a thread where this has been discussed to death.

    The fact you think Dippy proved anything with his little scenario makes me doubt your truthfulness.

    Did Dippy prove no absolute moral code exist? Absolutely (lol) not! Regardless of the actions, that in no way impacts absolutes.

    When Nazis come to my door, I will let you know my actions. Lol!!!

    Secondly I am not the hor. They insist I am about 8 different posters, so I play along.

    And yes, I come here to laugh Bobby. Its a blog my friend, not real life, its funny and you should enjoy. I gave up being serious LONG ago. But hey, you wanna take those questions seriously, knock yourself out and let Dippy rip you too! Lol!!

  554. on 22 Nov 2013 at 8:13 pm 554.DPK said …

    Hor, I couldn’t help but notice that you once again avoided answering any of my direct questions. Why is that? I answered yours. Isn’t playing fairly part of your absolute moral code.

    “Now, based on your absolute moral code of the bible, do you contend there could never, ever be a time to take something that does not belong to you?

    Do you agree with Messy that it is ok to push the fat man from the bridge, against his will, to his certain death in order to save more than one other person?

    Do you agree that if you judge the other people to be “bad” then it is ok to let them die instead of the fat man who is good?

    Show us what your absolute moral code says please. I’ve had my popcorn ready for quite a long time now….”

    No need to wait until the Nazi show up at your door… we know you’d be too cowardly to hide the Jews in your basement anyway…. the question isn’t about Nazis.. it’s about the absolute moral code you say exists… what would it tell you to do? Since you won’t actually show it to us and keep it in a secret place where we can’t actually read it ourselves, the least you can do is tell us what it says to do in a hypothetical situation. Why won’t you do that? Why won’t you simply say if you agree with Messy or not? He says it’s ok to kill people sometimes, especially if they are bad, although apparently it is never ok to lie about something. Do you agree? The bible says that you should kill anyone who worships a false god. Is that part of your moral code? What about girls who are not virgins on their wedding night? The bible says they must be killed, along with people who work on Sabbath.
    Tell us please, why you igore these rules, but would turn in innocent people to be killed to avoid lying? What makes that rule important, but the killing rule flexible?
    Really wish you would hurry… my popcorn is getting stale.

  555. on 22 Nov 2013 at 9:57 pm 555.Abby said …

    Cassiopia..I know the bible as much as you so don’t get arrogant like you know it better than others !
    I just happen to think it is full of dung ! Why are the so called Christians the first to aid those in need ? I certainly don’t need to be Christian to do that myself ! Christians do it because their bible tells them to ..they can win brownie points with god!
    I help because it is who I am ! Christian help because it makes them look good to everyone and makes them feel good about themselves also to do it ! Only the advertise it to the world…this way they might won more converts and make the church look good ! When an atheist does a good deed we do not brag or advertise as Christian’s do ! We do it without trying to make ourselves look good ! The bible teaches to do your good deeds in private so only god can see so as not to get praise by men ! Why then do you Christians advertise everything you do ? Do you think I do not know what being a Christian means ? Almost everyone of you Christians are not true Christians ! That most likely includes you ! The way you preach you much be the ideal Christian and sure to go to heaven and never sin !
    By the way..do you keep the “seventh day” Sabbath or the 4th commandment ? Not the first day..but the 7th day ? If you don’t then you are only calling yourself a Christian but truly are not as you are breaking the commandments or the moral laws of the god you worship ! The bible says that if you break even one you break them all ! of is it that you interpret that commandment in your own way to suit your needs ? Hmm ?

  556. on 22 Nov 2013 at 9:58 pm 556.the hor said …

    “Why is that? I answered yours. Isn’t playing fairly part of your absolute moral code.”

    Absolutely! You deserve an answer as credible and well thought out as you offered. You offered “It depends” to your son and that is scary.

    Daddy do I kill the Christian who owns a Bible.

    Depends son. Can to see it?

    so here it goes.

    It does not depend.

    See, want to be equally engaging. Please don’t let your child murder. It really should not depend.

    :)

  557. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:18 pm 557.Abby said …

    Someone who goes by the name ” G” claims god gives us free will and that is perfect love ? Throughout the entire bible old and new testament..god has intervened against a person or persons free will over and over
    again ! Read you bible closely buddy ! Your God breaks free will when it is convenient to him ! When you god tell us that if we do not worship or believe him we end up in hell…..but he says we have free will at the same time ? How can that be called free will ?
    Threatening a person to do what you want or else is not free will !!!!! A lot of people in this world who do good to others and make a positive difference in the world are going to hell simply because they DO NOT believe in your god or worship him ! Is that perfect love ? More like death threats! In our world that is illegal ! I would rather end up in hell for eternity with those who were like me..good people who do good things and care about others..than spend eternity with some god threatened me to believe in or else ! It seems to me you missed large portions of your bible when reading it and only see the side that you chose to see ! Your god is wicked and the creator of evil….your god even claims that statement in the bible you believe in ! I do not worship those that do or create EVIL…as I am a good person..therefor I do not worship your god who is evil and creates evil !

  558. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:18 pm 558.Arrogantathiest said …

    Hor, ever heard of the US Army?

  559. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:26 pm 559.the messenger said …

    546.DPK, I will make it simple for you.

    Innocence is the key factor in deciding who to save.

    Which ever side is more innocent than the other, the side that is more innocent must be saved.

    If innocence cannot be determined, then the majority must be saved.

  560. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:27 pm 560.Abby said …

    To :the hor…I am not claiming to be a Christian so your gods rules regarding judging does not apply to me..BUT it does to YOU ! Because of your god and his rules…no matter what we say to you…YOU cannot judge us !

  561. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:41 pm 561.the messenger said …

    575.DPK, ab·so·lute
    ?abs??lo?ot,?abs??lo?ot/Submit
    adjective
    1.
    not qualified or diminished in any way; total.

    I know the definition, and I see that you do not.

    The law is absolute, and it tells us to do certain things in certain situations.

    The fact that I must make a judgement on a person’s innocence before I make a life or death decision does not mean that the laws is changing, it means that situation is changing and I must see how the laws affect the situation after the change. The laws do not change.

  562. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:46 pm 562.the messenger said …

    574.DPK, the law says that the person that is more innocent than the other must be saved. That is absolute.

    In order for me to follow the law, I must judge the people on their morality and see which one is more innocent, then I would save the one that is more innocent.

    I do not see how that is not absolute. The law does not change, it is absolute.

  563. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:50 pm 563.the messenger said …

    579.DPK, are you on drugs?

    The absoluteness of a law does not depend on whether or not a person believes in it.

    A law can be absolute even if someone disagrees with it.

  564. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:54 pm 564.the messenger said …

    585.Abby, free will is the ability to choose, right?

    GOD does not take away their ability to choose, he simply convinces us to do what he asks of us. He does not take away our ability to choose, and therefore our free will is not taken.

  565. on 22 Nov 2013 at 10:57 pm 565.Abby said …

    to the messenger ( *in your own mind) ……When she is being raped or better yet before…you can defend her by killing the rapist and saving her from it ! Or are Christians cowards ? Would a Christian watch it take place instead of stopping it maybe by killing the rapist…like your god does everyday when babies, children and women are being raped and brutally tortured and dumped in bushes to decay ! Does your god not sit on a throne and watch ? Entertainment for him…only if I had his power I would stop it ! As for the free will idea…god intervenes many times in the bible to stop things, save people etc…etc…so the free will excuse does not work any longer ! Does he get off on watching this happen everyday ? Or because he is made up maybe he really cannot do anything at all ? I admit there was a time in my life where I took the bible for truth also..ad I used ever excuse I could to convince other of god….but over the years I came to my senses because none of the bible was ever backed up with reality in my life also I have talked to the sweetest, kindest, most loving elderly woman who has been in the church all her life and praying who has confided to me personally that NONE of her prayers were ever answered ! We are talking over 87 years old this woman is…not one prayer answered !. I have never seen god do anything to help her at all ! Unless I was “the help” ?..and I was the only help ! The entire church or churches did nothing at all for her..not even call to check up or offer any help or support to her ! Here I am.. “the atheist” who had compassion and helped everyday and even gave up parts of my own life to help her ! I was all she
    had ! Atheist are NOT selfish people..and they can be very good and carding people ! Just because you on here preach the bible etc…does not make you better people or nicer people than us who are no believers ! An atheist like myself can teach you Christians somethings about true helping , true compassion and true sacrificing for others more than some bible BS words can !
    I am an Atheist and the only one to help her out of all the churches out there and Christians that knew she was alone and helpless ! So much for the churches and Christianity ! I guess you Christians are so blessed by your god and comfortable with your lives you have no time to notice these things ! Since I can say that I know suffering and have all my life I can notice those who are also and help !
    I will help those your god ignores to help and has abandoned to suffer !

  566. on 22 Nov 2013 at 11:02 pm 566.the messenger said …

    583.Abby, are you crazy?

    It is idiotic to assume that all christians do good deeds just for others to see. I do many good deeds and I never tell people that I did them.

    The bible says that we must be humble and do good deeds in private so that we will not become prideful.

    I know many atheists that are very egotistical and prideful, and only do good things when others are there to see them. Tell me, is it right for me to judge all atheist based on the actions of a few of them? If I did, I would be judging atheists just like you judge christians. You are so morally wrong.

  567. on 22 Nov 2013 at 11:09 pm 567.Abby said …

    My free will “is” taken by god ! I want to be the good person that I am without believing in him or his lies ..yet I want to be left alone when I die in peace..that is my free will ! Why does he have to bother me after I die and then throw me in some hell because he is not convincing enough to me ! NO…he has taken my free will away from me ! He uses scare tactics and threats ! If someone had a gun to my head and tried to force me to tell them I loved them even when they are sick and evil or else they will shoot and kill me…. is “perfect” free will ? Do I say I love them so I can live ? Or do I refuse to say it and die? Hmm ? This is your gods version of “perfect” free will ! Not perfect or free in my eyes !

  568. on 22 Nov 2013 at 11:16 pm 568.the messenger said …

    565.Abby, the law says “you shall not murder”, and defending an innocent life is not murder, so yes, I could and would kill the rapist.

    GOD allows suffering to occur in the world so that we will learn to oppose it, combat it, and overcome it.

    GOD does not enjoy it, but he know that it is nessessary to perfect us morally.

    GOD feels the pain of all mankind’s sins all at once, and he died so that we will overcome our sins and eventually go to heaven.

    GOD died for us, and he suffers more than any one, and he does it for us. Be grateful.

  569. on 22 Nov 2013 at 11:25 pm 569.the messenger said …

    595.Abby, you are so confused.

    GOD forgives our sins, and will let you into heaven whether you believe in him or not. Hell is only for hateful, prideful, evil men who feel no remorse for their sins.

    GOD does not threaten you or anyone, he simply warns us of what will happen if we are hateful , murderous, or sadistic. People who are murderous, sadistic, and hateful deserve to be put into hell. Hell is not forever, it is temparary, and they will leave and go to purgatory after they have paid their punishment, then in purgatory they will be given another chance at being kind, loving, humble, and forgiving.

    One sin will not put you into hell. It is actually quite hard to get into hell, because of how forgiving and merciful GOD is.

  570. on 22 Nov 2013 at 11:38 pm 570.the messenger said …

    575.DPK, the moral laws of the bible could not have been made by a human.

    Take the pagans for example. They had human sacrifices, cruel and hateful attitudes toward each other, and persecution of different races.

    The pagan religions promoted murder and hate. They only stopped when Judaism and christianity began, and they were converted.

    Out of millions of religions, the only one that says “love your neighbor” “Do not murder” “Do not see revenge” “do not lie” and do not steal, is the jewish and christian religions.

    Without The Jewish, Christian religion, we would still be murdering and gutting people on stone alters and eating them.

  571. on 22 Nov 2013 at 11:47 pm 571.DPK said …

    “Daddy do I kill the Christian who owns a Bible.
    Depends son. Can to see it?
    so here it goes.
    It does not depend.”

    Ok let’s go with that.
    Daddy, can I kill the Christian with the bible?
    Me:
    It depends, why do you think you want to kill the Christian, son?
    He is preaching at me at annoying me.
    No, son, that is not a reason to kill anyone. That would be wrong.
    Me #2
    Daddy, can I kill the Christian with the bible?
    It depends, why do you think you want to kill the Christian with the bible son?
    He is running through my school with a bible and an AK-47 shooting kids. I got this gun off a dead policeman and I have a clear shot. Is it wrong to kill him?
    No, son. Shoot the fucker.

    See how that works Hor.

    Now let’s look at your scenario.
    Daddy, can I kill the Christian with the bible?
    No. The law is absolute. Thou shalt not kill. Don’t you have a transporter so you can just beam him out of there?
    No, daddy, I don’t have a transporter. But, he has already shot all my friends and if I don’t kill him, I’m afraid he will kill me next.
    That’s ok son, no exceptions for circumstance. Be happy, it means you’ll get to meet Jesus today. Now stop bothering me with these stupid questions. Lol!

    You are such a complete imbecile. No wonder you never actually engage in an actual debate. You are a functional idiot. Lol!

  572. on 23 Nov 2013 at 12:00 am 572.the hor said …

    “See how that works Hor.”

    YES, yes I so. You make up the rules, so doe we all call you when we must make a tough decision?

    Hey, in S Korea, they do kill Christians with Bibles. Its against the law. is that OK or not? Why?

    chirp chirp chirp……lol!!

    Bet he runs again….. getting the popcorn…

  573. on 23 Nov 2013 at 12:08 am 573.DPK said …

    Hey, in the bible, they kill people who work on Sunday, disrespect their parents, worship false gods, and practice witchcraft. Is that ok? Where is that rule?

    To answer your question, I don’t know if it is ok to kill Christians in South Korea. It would depend on what they were doing. If they were in the process of say, shooting people, then sure. You don’t provide enough information to make a judgement. Because, like I said, it depends.

    Btw, I feel very sorry for your kids, if you have any, in case they ever need to depend on you to protect them.

  574. on 23 Nov 2013 at 1:06 am 574.the messenger said …

    571.DPK, have you lost your mind?

    The law of GOD says that we are only allowed to intentional kill a person if it in defense of our life or someone else’s.

    We are not allowed to kill people just because we want to.

  575. on 23 Nov 2013 at 1:13 am 575.the messenger said …

    599.DPK, the law does not say “thou shall not kill”.

    It says “you shall not MURDER”.

    If a person is threatening your life or someone else’s then it is alright to kill him/her.(but only if the person is threatening your life or someone else’s).

  576. on 23 Nov 2013 at 1:20 am 576.the messenger said …

    601.DPK, Jesus revealed in the new testament that the stoning verses are metaphorical, therefore your entire arguement is invalid.

  577. on 23 Nov 2013 at 1:23 am 577.According to the “hor” said …

    “I don’t know if it is ok to kill Christians in South Korea.”

    Of course not, all you have is opinion. What part of Christians are killed for having a Bible in S Korea don’t you understand? Happened just two weeks ago.

    Then again, under your system it is all opinion so how could you possibly tell S Koreans it is wrong, right Dippy? All morals all relative so nothing is immoral? Hmmm? So who decides?

    Each person?
    Society?
    Majority opinion?

    I have exposed and embarrassed you here badly before. You don’t want to go here Dip.

  578. on 23 Nov 2013 at 1:24 am 578.Angus and Alexis said …

    If a guy has a gun to your head, and will most certainly try to kill you, then you shoot him, it IS murder.

    Murder is defined as the deliberate killing of a fellow man.

  579. on 23 Nov 2013 at 2:05 am 579.DPK said …

    Ass, you are so funny, and a legend in your own mind.
    You didn’t ask me if it was ok to kill Christians in South Korea FOR having bibles. You asked me if it was ok to kill Christians WITH bibles. Of course it’s not ok to kill someone for owning a bible, unless, of course, they are beating someone else to death with it! Even then, you kill them to stop them from killing someone else, not for having the bible. You are so funny. For a “science guy” you are very easily confused.
    It’s not like they are killing people over there for being witches, like the Christians in Africa do, or for working on Sundays, like god instructed people to do in the bible, or anything. Geez, your acting like those atheists who believe in god are putting together roving death squads and inquisitions like the Christians used to have! Lol…

    So, if your Christian with the bible was in the school shooting kids, it’s not ok to kill him?
    Ok… Glad you aren’t in charge our school security anywhere. Lol.
    Btw, messy disagrees with you. He can think of lots of scenarios where you can kill someone. I guess maybe his bible has a different absolute moral code than yours, huh? Imagine that. Thank god we have you to tell us what god “really means”.
    There is really no limit to your arrogance and stupidity, is there?

  580. on 23 Nov 2013 at 2:13 am 580.the messenger said …

    578.Angus and Alexis, this is the definition of murder, it differs from your false one. It is lawful to kill in defense of a human life, therefore it is not murder to shoot a guy that has a gun pointed to your head.

    mur·der
    ?m?rd?r/Submit
    noun
    1.
    the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

  581. on 23 Nov 2013 at 2:16 am 581.the messenger said …

    607.DPK, the law does not say “thou shall not kill”.
    It says “you shall not MURDER”.
    If a person is threatening your life or someone else’s then it is alright to kill him/her.(but only if the person is threatening your life or someone else’s).

    The law of the bible does not say “thou shall not kill”.
    It says “you shall not MURDER”.
    If a person is threatening your life or someone else’s then it is alright to kill him/her.(but only if the person is threatening your life or someone else’s).

  582. on 23 Nov 2013 at 2:39 am 582.Anonymous said …

    It’s obvious that the hor follows bible morality to a tee. Maybe keeping slaves and beating his wench when she fails to be adequately submissive?

  583. on 23 Nov 2013 at 4:30 am 583.DPK said …

    Messy, Hor disagrees with you, not me. I know perfectly well there are times when it is justified to take another’s life. Not many, but there are exceptions based on circumstances. Hor, your fellow Christian, is the one you should be arguing with. He says it is always wrong and never permitted.
    You and I agree that morality must always be decided in light of circumstance. No problem with that.

  584. on 23 Nov 2013 at 3:47 pm 584.the hor said …

    Dippy must have missed my previous post. Hey mousey, you feel free to answer this too! Glad you are out of hiding!

    All morals all relative so nothing is immoral? Hmmm? So who decides?

    Each person?
    Society?
    Majority opinion?

    The question still haunts you Dippy? :)

  585. on 23 Nov 2013 at 4:54 pm 585.Angus and Alexis said …

    The answer would be all of the above.
    As each reflects and persuades each other to change.

  586. on 23 Nov 2013 at 8:28 pm 586.DPK said …

    “All morals all relative so nothing is immoral? Hmmm? So who decides?”

    Wow, interesting how you demand answers from others while refusing to provide any yourself. Smacks of an upbringing of entitlement. You’re some kind of minister, aren’t you? That explains both the depth of your brainwashing and your arrogance. Interesting.

    Now, being you are a science guy, see if you can figure it out yourself. Here is a hint. 60 thousand years ago, when the tribe next to you encroached on your hunting grounds, you went and killed them. It was not considered immoral, it was survival. Not so much today, at least not openly admitted in polite company. Something changed.
    200 years ago, slavery was considered morally acceptable in most of the civilized world, even divinely sanctioned (rightly so, if you’re a bible thumper). Today it is universally considered immoral.
    Why do you think that is, Hor?

  587. on 23 Nov 2013 at 10:03 pm 587.DPK said …

    Messy says, “Atheists(having no specific moral values, laws, beliefs, or teachings) are not bound to any moral law that I know of, and therefore do not hold morality to be as important, therefore an atheist can run around and do all sorts of awful acts without quilt or punishment.”
    “An Atheist or a Muslim sins, and does not try to become better.
    Christians and Jews try to improve and become kinder, more loving people.
    atheists do not care.”
    Then messy states: ” Tell me, is it right for me to judge all atheist based on the actions of a few of them? If I did, I would be judging atheists just like you judge christians. You are so morally wrong.”
    And the adds: “In order for me to follow the law, I must judge the people on their morality and see which one is more innocent, then I would save the one that is more innocent.”

    “A” , the one with the superior absolute morality adds:
    “True, its been proven time and time again atheist are the tightest most heartless people on the planet. Theist on the other hand are removing pain and suffering around the world.”

    Messy concludes: “I am not a bigot.”
    I think we need to change your nickname from messy to Hot Mess. You are indeed that.

  588. on 23 Nov 2013 at 11:54 pm 588.the hor said …

    All morals all relative so nothing is immoral? Hmmm? So who decides?

    Each person?
    Society?
    Majority opinion?

    The question still haunts you Dippy? This question goes backs to many other other threads where you kept dodging. Why do you keep dodging Dip?

    :), I know……lol!!

  589. on 24 Nov 2013 at 4:34 am 589.Angus and Alexis said …

    Hor, DPK did answer the question, indirectly.

    May you answer his?

  590. on 24 Nov 2013 at 7:33 am 590.Abby said …

    What bible do you read messenger ? The Catholic one I presume… as there is NO such thing as purgatory ! No where in the bible does it teach there is a purgatory ! NO WHERE ! That is totally a Catholic teaching and incorrect ! When you die the bible says in plainly that all your thoughts do perish and you return to the dust you came….it also says alot more about the topic and makes it clear when you are dead you are dead ! Yep…no purgatory ! Now I know not to listen to anything you say ! God will not and cannot help anyone become a better person or more moral person by letting them suffer over and over again with no relief or literal help ! In fact many take their lives because they cannot bare it any longer and maybe your god should understand this…people lose their minds also if pushed too far with no help or relief !The mind can only take so much suffering until a person is lost ! So if your god had any knowledge of humans and how our minds and bodies work…he should know this !
    he has allowed me to suffer all my life and I am exhausted to the point I am thinking of ending my life ! Your god only makes hate life and too tired to go on..in fact he is making me worse by holding back healing and help from me. I would never even do that to my own children. I mean how far does god push someone before he gives them a bloody break ? Maybe when it is too late and they are dead or in a mental hospital ? Personally I believe now that he cannot do anything without us humans ! Doctors heal and cure….people help and care…not your god !
    He cannot win faith and trust of people unless he is willing to heal and help them. I am not some robot for him to manipulate and control.. I am a person with feelings. Also I would like to say if there was a god.. I would prefer a female god who understands women’s needs and issues as this male god hasn’t got a clue ! people need more than just food etc… there are heart issues also that matter even more and your god cannot fill that need !

  591. on 24 Nov 2013 at 8:10 am 591.Abby said …

    messenger !! What is this BS about pagans ?
    You said : (the moral laws of the bible could not have been made by a human.
    Take the pagans for example. They had human sacrifices, cruel and hateful attitudes toward each other, and persecution of different races.
    The pagan religions promoted murder and hate. They only stopped when Judaism and Christianity began, and they were converted.
    Out of millions of religions, the only one that says “love your neighbor” “Do not murder” “Do not see revenge” “do not lie” and do not steal, is the Jewish and christian religions.
    Without The Jewish, Christian religion, we would still be murdering and gutting people on stone alters and eating them.)
    This is true of all pagans ! You are stereotyping everyone in one big clump ! Anyone who is not a Christian or Jew must be pagan right ?
    From what I know of history and facts when Europeans Christians first came to america the natives were already here…they were pagans weren’t they ? They were no violent and welcomed the Christian Europeans ! It was greed of these Christian Europeans that slaughtered them …women, children and it did not matter ! Thee native were kind and generous and very trusting ! When the Europeans were starving the natives feed them and taught them how to survive ! But…Christian Europeans came up with a way to thank them for their help and kindness….THEY SLAUGHTERED THEM ! Study your history buddy !
    Well I am at it….Christopher Columbus never discovered crap…as it was already inhabited by natives who had lived there long before they came !
    Christian Europeans brought murder, greed, hatred and evil and discrimination of different races….not the pagans !In fact I do not believe in different races…..all but the human race ! Different cultures and beliefs yes but not different races ! Secondly it was these very same Christian Europeans and secondly who destroyed a simple pure way of life for greed. Native believed simply and took care of the earth and respected all living things..sure they fought at times…but not in large scales and with such evil and greed a these Christian Europeans did..after that it escalated ! More greed, stealing land for greed and money and they didn’t care who they killed to get it ! Native Americans were slaughtered…it was genocide and by Christians who thought they were Superior..who thought the Native Americans were heathens and pagans ! if the native were left to take care of this earth and left alone…we would not have pollution and the earth being destroyed everyday ! Animals would be respected and cared for not abused as they are today ! What these Christian Europeans brought was hell..they screwed everything up and caused so much destruction and disrespect for all living things and to this earth !!!! In fact they cannot even honor treaties made with the Native Americans because they have NO INTEGRITY ! They took advantage of them because they could not understand white mans greedy ways or language…nor could they understand anyone thinking to own land which they believed belonged to the Creator an was given to them to care for ! But those dumb ass greedy Christians like to own everything not there to take…by force ! What was done to the Native Americans was evil and it was done by Christians !
    What a great job they did and what hell they brought to everyone and this world ! We would be all better off and more peaceful if you Christians had kept your greedy and evil ways and stayed in Europe ! Yous couldn’t even get along there for crap sake ! what a joke !

  592. on 24 Nov 2013 at 5:51 pm 592.DPK said …

    590.Angus and Alexis said …

    Hor, DPK did answer the question, indirectly.

    May you answer his?

    Not a chance. In hor’s world, only hor makes the rules.
    Hor, I know you want to be spoon fed a simple answer like you get from your bible (at least from the parts you pick and choose not to ignore anyway) so you don’t have to “wade through” anything that makes you actually have to think about anything… but that’s not how it works. Everything in life is not black and white, this or that. LOL. Some of it is actually complex.

    I’m surprised you got your ASStrophysicist certificate without having to take a course in sociology. Don’t they require that at Jehovah Community College? You should ask for your money back and maybe try getting an actual education. Try that, then maybe we can speak on more equal footings. Until then, a “discussion” with you is like explaining calculus to a hamster.

    Suffice it to say that you have once again spectacularly failed to demonstrate either the existence or usefulness of your “absolute” moral code, much to the delight and entertainment of the readers here. You never cease to disappoint. Well done! You are without doubt the one theist here who has done more to demonstrate the complete and utter insanity of religon than anyone else. Stellar.

  593. on 24 Nov 2013 at 6:03 pm 593.DPK said …

    Abby… Messenger professes himself a Catholic, although he continually proclaims doctrine that directly contradicts Catholic dogma. Catholic teaching is that hell is eternal, dying with a moral sin on your soul gets you a one way ticket to hell for all eternity and there is no getting out once you go in. He also denies the doctrine of Transubstantiation. From a catholic perspective, he is a heretic, and himself destined for hell. Ironic, no? His best chance rests in him being completely wrong about the god he claims to love.

    I love how he also espouses continually about free will, and with the next breath tells you that god has a divine plan and already knows everything that will happen. We have embarrassed him and Hor here about that claim on many occasions. Simply put, if I am said to have a choice between A and B, but god already knows (indeed has determined, according to the principle of divine plan) that I will choose B, then there is no conceivable way I can possibly choose A, and my “free will” is simply an illusion. For if I was free to chose A, then god could not “know” I will choose B, because that would make him wrong… an impossibility.
    It’s just another example of how deluded you must be in order to believe any of the utter nonsense they peddle to the weak minded.

  594. on 24 Nov 2013 at 6:26 pm 594.DPK said …

    582.the messenger said …

    607.DPK, the law does not say “thou shall not kill”.
    It says “you shall not MURDER”.

    Messy, aren’t you Catholic??? The official English version bible of the Catholic Church, the New American Bible specifically says “Thou Shalt Not Kill”. Look it up.

    Protestant versions of the bible say “Thous shalt not murder”, but that version also says:
    “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.”

    Have any statues or paintings of saints or angels in your church there Messy? That could be dangerous if that bible is right.
    BTW, the Protestant bible also adds:
    “For I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.”

    Maybe this is poor Abby’s problem? Perhaps your loving god is punishing her for something her great grandfather did, and it’s not her fault at all! Maybe that’s why Jesus has abandoned her? Perhaps her grandfather worked on a Sunday once.

    “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:”

    That must be it… makes perfect sense that god would punish someone for all eternity for something someone she never even met did. What a guy!

  595. on 24 Nov 2013 at 8:03 pm 595.According to the “hor” said …

    Abby, Agnus & Alexi,

    All morals all relative so nothing is immoral? Hmmm? So who decides?

    Each person?
    Society?
    Majority opinion?

    The question still haunts Dippy? This question goes backs to many other other threads where he kept dodging.

  596. on 24 Nov 2013 at 8:35 pm 596.DPK said …

    Not a chance. In hor’s world, only hor makes the rules.
    Hor, I know you want to be spoon fed a simple answer like you get from your bible (at least from the parts you pick and choose not to ignore anyway) so you don’t have to “wade through” anything that makes you actually have to think about anything… but that’s not how it works. Everything in life is not black and white, this or that. LOL. Some of it is actually complex.

    I’m surprised you got your ASStrophysicist certificate without having to take a course in sociology. Don’t they require that at Jehovah Community College? You should ask for your money back and maybe try getting an actual education. Try that, then maybe we can speak on more equal footings. Until then, a “discussion” with you is like explaining calculus to a hamster.

    Suffice it to say that you have once again spectacularly failed to demonstrate either the existence or usefulness of your “absolute” moral code, much to the delight and entertainment of the readers here. You never cease to disappoint. Well done! You are without doubt the one theist here who has done more to demonstrate the complete and utter insanity of religon than anyone else

  597. on 24 Nov 2013 at 8:58 pm 597.Bobby said …

    554.the hor said …
    “And yes, I come here to laugh Bobby. Its a blog my friend, not real life, its funny and you should enjoy. I gave up being serious LONG ago. But hey, you wanna take those questions seriously, knock yourself out and let Dippy rip you too! Lol!!

    See? As I see it, DPK did answer your question, although I think he could have been nicer about it. (Can’t you reply without being insulting DPK? Civility counts).

    But, Mr. Hor, you just ignore what he said and pretend you didn’t even hear it. How childish. And it is obvious to me that as you said, you just come here to try and laugh at people. That doesn’t really say very much for your point of view.

    As for me, I can see the bible as a great guide to living a moral life, although I can also see that it contains some very disturbing things too. That is undeniable. That is why I agree with those that say the morality isn’t absolute, each person has to decide for themselves what it means. For instance, being kind to others is great, but never doing any work on Sunday just isn’t possible in today’s world. Turning the other cheek is good advice to avoid a fight, but sometimes it’s way smarter to run away or defend yourself from getting killed, doesn’t it always kind of depend?

    Anyway, I am done here. Nobody here seems very nice. DPK, you make atheists seem very angry. I know some people who don’t believe in god who are very very nice, good hearted people. Mr. Hor, you don’t seem like the kind of person I would like to associate with either. You come off as very arrogant and obnoxious. I don’t know if you are a christian or some other type of theist, but you need to learn some humility, you aren’t winning anyone over to your side.
    Goodbye and Peace.
    Bobby

  598. on 24 Nov 2013 at 9:15 pm 598.DPK said …

    Bobby,
    If you have dealt with the like of Hor/Ass Crum for as long as I have, you would loose patience with him as well.

    I am not a nasty person at heart, but he has shown time and time and time again to be intellectually dishonest, and a truly despicable person. But you are right, I should try and take the high road and be the bigger person. He just brings out the worst in everyone.

  599. on 24 Nov 2013 at 11:46 pm 599.the messenger said …

    587.DPK, can you disprove what I said?

    Do atheists have a set moral law like christians and jews?

    Is being a true atheist determined by morals, like christians and jews?

    Can you provide any evidence?

    Your babbling must stop.

  600. on 25 Nov 2013 at 12:02 am 600.Angus and Alexis said …

    DPK said.
    “Not a chance. In hor’s world, only hor makes the rules.”

    My apologies, but my message implied that Hor should answer your questions.

    Messenger said.
    “Do atheists have a set moral law like christians and jews?”

    They are called “laws”.

    “Is being a true atheist determined by morals, like christians and jews?”

    To be an atheist, you merely need to have a disbelief in deities.

    “Can you provide any evidence?”

    Evidence of what? That the law system exists?

  601. on 25 Nov 2013 at 12:05 am 601.DPK said …

    on 24 Nov 2013 at 11:46 pm 600.the messenger said …
    587.DPK, can you disprove what I said?

    To what specifically are you referring? You have said a lot of things? What do you think needs disproving?

    Do atheists have a set moral law like christians and jews?

    The only thing atheists have in common is disbelief in supernatural gods. Nothing more, nothing less. Plus, in so much as no theist here has ever produced this absolute moral law you keep babbling about, your question makes no sense what so ever. You yourself, over the past few days, have demonstrated irrefutably there is nothing even remotely absolute absolute your absolute moral code. Even you and A can’t even agree on what it says, and you two are talking about the same set of “rules.”

    Is being a true atheist determined by morals, like christians and jews?

    No, being a “true atheist” is determined by whether you believe in supernatural gods.

    Why is that so hard to comprehend?

    I don’t know why that is so hard for you to comprehend. Perhaps it is because you cannot fathom anyone who is not as gullible as you are? I really don’t know.

    Can you provide any evidence?

    You want be to provide “evidence” that people who don’t believe in supernatural gods are atheistic? That’s kind of like asking for evidence that blue cars are blue.

    Your babbling must stop.

    Typical of many people who suffer from your particular delusion, you don’t want to let anyone else say anything that threatens your little imaginary world where you get to live forever in the magical kingdom paved in gold. Too bad. You don’t get to decide who is allowed to speak and who is not, although we know you would like nothing better.

  602. on 25 Nov 2013 at 12:34 am 602.the messenger said …

    618.Abby, are you crazy?

    The Catholic bible does speak of purgatory, but not by name, but by description.

    Wisdom 3:1-9
    Good News Translation (GNT)
    The Destiny of the Righteous

    3 But righteous people are protected by God and will never suffer torment. 2 It is a foolish mistake to think that righteous people die and that their death is a terrible evil. 3 They leave us, but it is not a disaster. In fact, the righteous are at peace. 4 It might appear that they have suffered punishment, but they have the confident hope of immortality. 5-6 Their sufferings were minor compared with the blessings they will receive. God has tested them, like gold in a furnace, and found them worthy to be with him. He has accepted them, just as he accepts the sacrifices which his worshipers burn on the altar.










    This verse clearly describes a punishment that will occur to people who are good in order for them to pay off the rest of their sins(in other words, become purified) after death.

  603. on 25 Nov 2013 at 12:47 am 603.the messenger said …

    619.Abby, I never said that anyone who is not a christian or a jew is a pagan. A pagan is a person that worships a false GOD.

    The native Americans were not very moral. They robbed and killed many innocent setlers, and they treated natives from other tribes with violence. People who trespassed on their “sacred land” would be killed. They scalped and stripped their enemies.

    619.Abby, the settlers who pillaged and murdered natives, were not true christians, they were corrupt protestants that many times ignored the “you shall not murder” law in the bible. They were hardly christians. They were not true christians.

  604. on 25 Nov 2013 at 12:56 am 604.DPK said …

    Wow, we’ve seen messy go for the stretch before, but to get the whole concept of purgatory from that is really pushing it.
    Btw, here is another take on purgatory from a Christian website. I guess they are reading a different infallible word of god than you are, or are they not “true Christians” either?
    http://carm(dot)org/bible-about-purgatory

  605. on 25 Nov 2013 at 12:56 am 605.the messenger said …

    621.DPK, I already explained that the word “eternal”, is only used to stress how long the punishment is. It last a long time but it eventually wears away, like a “permanent” marker.

    Their are countless verses about GOD forgiving all sins and allowing people into heaven.

  606. on 25 Nov 2013 at 1:25 am 606.Abby said …

    DPK… I think you may have something there..that is only if god was real ? I come from a background of people who did do evil things….my parents and my ancestors also..those I have never met or even heard about ! Seems my whole life..even when I went to church was cursed….no matter how good or faithful I tried to be I watched those who grew up in Christian homes with money and so many opportunities do so much better than me… and always so blessed all the time !! I had to listen to stories of all these great things happening to them all the time… I suffered all the time without and bad happening to me all the time ! Maybe you are right on with what you say….maybe this Christian gods is punishing me and cursing me because of my ancestors sins ! Maybe he predestined me to suffer or something ! I am sure he hates people like me who come from bad families..no matter how much you try….the ones who grow up in Christian homes are favored over those like me…! So salvation is not for everyone and Jesus did not die for those like me ! We are the cursed and unwanted ! I feel like a misfit/ unwanted toy from Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer ! Yikes !

  607. on 25 Nov 2013 at 2:04 am 607.According to the “hor” said …

    “But, Mr. Hor, you just ignore what he said and pretend you didn’t even hear it.”

    No, I heard it. There questions have been answered here many times over. They just don’t like the answers. How many is enough Bob? DPK and Mousey both ask questions while never answering any. So let me set you straight. When you have been here listening to the same silliness I have, getting no questions answered, you come back and judge me then. Agreed?

    The question I asked him above has been asked no less than 10 times on other threads. No, he has not answered it because he realizes no answer will work! lol!!

    I have come to expect no civility from him or any other atheist here which is why it is no more than a game. You taking this seriously will get you the same treatment Messenger gets Good Luck! But my way is quite fun!

    Watch!

    Abby, Dip, Agnus & Alexi,

    All morals all relative so nothing is immoral? Hmmm? So who decides?

    Each person?
    Society?
    Majority opinion?

  608. on 25 Nov 2013 at 2:09 am 608.Abby said …

    Messenger…you f’n son a an f’n prick !
    You have the nerve to say :.Abby, I never said that anyone who is not a christian or a jew is a pagan. A pagan is a person that worships a false GOD.
    The native Americans were not very moral. They robbed and killed many innocent setlers, and they treated natives from other tribes with violence. People who trespassed on their “sacred land” would be killed. They scalped and stripped their enemies.
    619.Abby, the settlers who pillaged and murdered natives, were not true christians, they were corrupt protestants that many times ignored the “you shall not murder” law in the bible. They were hardly christians. They were not true christians.

    I am so infuriated ! You are so delusional and uneducated regarding the Native Americans ! You need to read more true history you ass ! How dare you !
    Maybe you should read true history of how the army fooled the Natives to feel safe…then when they felt safe surprise attacked them, shot, slaughtered and killed unarmed women, children and elderly ! Cut off the native genitals and waved them around like trophies ! Even wore them on their heads proudly…cut out babies from mother wombs, shot children who were running for safety ! Natives were not perfect…..but they were not like the settlers who were greedy to the max ! All this death for gold, and profit ! Imagine that ! if they are false Christians that did this..I would say then there is no real true one out there even today ! if whites came and cheated you, stole from you, forced you from your homes, treated like you were less then animal,killed your families and your way of life and wanted you all dead….you would fight back as the Native Americans had to do to survive ! Who wouldn’t fight to stay alive ! Settlers did more murder than any native American ! Natives killed to stay alive and to fight back ! Settlers killed just to get tired of Natives to steal all the land for themselves and for profit ! Every time they moved the native Americans and they settled in…if the settlers discovered there was God there…. the wanted to kill to take that from the Natives also ! read about the Trail, of tears, Wounded Knee, the Sand Creek massacre and so much more ! Those poor children in the residential schools ! What you wrote is false and very sick ! Maybe you out to read “Bury my heart at wounded knee” ! Open your eyes and your heart to truth ! For you say those things about the Natives…you show that you are blind and disillusioned and need to read real history ! Or are you a racist at heart ? People who want to know the true are open to learn about all sides before speaking.. I have studies both sides for years…!
    I would kill anyone who tried to destroy my way of life and do harm to my culture and ancestors and family ! Who were trying to commit genocide against me for being Native ! Remember these sick Christians who thought they were doing God’s work as they were superior… have a evil saying ” the only good Indian is a dead Indian ” They slaughtered the buffalo to kill off the Indians because they knew that was their livelihood and food…they tried to kill the Indian with residential schools and so much more ! Christians have proven to be inhuman !Christians are NOT very moral ! They are greedy, they murder, they lie, steal, cheat, deceive, they destroy the earth with greed and so much more !
    native do worship the Creator..but in a more honest pure way..they respect ALL creation and honor God with dance as that is their culture and tradition. it is beautiful in my eyes because it is from the heart and pure worship of the Creator !! Christians worship others gods also…SELF is one god they worship, money is one of their many gods they seem to worship, Catholics worship idols, statues, the virgin Mary and the Pope !They believe in bleeding statues for crying out loud ! Every single Christian in this entire works breaks gods laws every single day ! That includes you !Moses and his gang slaughtered women, children, elderly and animals..all innocent ! For what ? because they believed differently ! Hey did you know that there are many, many Christian men who are addicted to porn and hide it.. but yet go to church and act all pious ! It is a major problem these days ! Seems like Christians are not so moral either !!!! Christian women dress provocatively and are vain and superficial…just look at the majority of them ! Come on ass wipe !..to say Natives were not very moral and to not mention how Christians are even more immoral is really quite a joke wouldn’t you think !I bet you masturbate when no one around ????
    Sorry for being blunt… but seriously I bet you do !Most Christians do…secretly of course !

  609. on 25 Nov 2013 at 2:11 am 609.According to the “hor” said …

    “Do atheists have a set moral law like christians and jews?”

    They are called “laws”.

    So Butterfly, the laws in S Korea to kill Christians with a Bible are OK? What about killing woman with a head uncovered in Iran? Killing gays in Pakistan? They are the laws so they are moral?

    Odd you find these actions moral? What a sicko!

  610. on 25 Nov 2013 at 2:14 am 610.Abby said …

    my spelling above is bad when I am pissed off and write too fast…hope you can read it !

  611. on 25 Nov 2013 at 2:30 am 611.the hor said …

    I luv Abbys lady-like use of the English language. What is it with atheist and their obsessive use of vulgar language? Lack of a vocabulary? Lack of peace? Hatred of others not like them?

  612. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:09 am 612.the messenger said …

    608.Abby, obviously you have never heard of the Mountain Meadows massacre, where 100-140 people were murdered by native americans. Most of the people that died in the massacre were families from Arkansas on their way to settle in California.

    The crow creek massacre led to the death of 486 innocent villagers. Their bodies were found with their limbs missing. And their bodies were mutilated. Many of the victoms suffered from tongue removal, and decapitation. 90 percent of them had been found scalped(men, women and children).

    The native americans were savage and murderous, they are not innocent.

    YOU AND YOUR LIES, ABBY, DISGUST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  613. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:14 am 613.the messenger said …

    636.Abby, to disprove all of your other stupid claims, people who steal, murder, lie, act prideful and vainly are breaking the laws of GOD. Christians try to overcome that evil. People who do not are not true christians.

  614. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:29 am 614.the messenger said …

    629.DPK, what is un-absolute about the moral codes located in the gospels and the torah?

    Before you respond, the so called “no killing” law is not valid proof of un-absoluteness due to the fact that the verse actually states You shall not murder.

    On the “no lying” law issue, I provided many ways to be honest and still accomplish the goal of saving the jews in your “natzi” scenario.

    Lastly, killing of humans is only allowed in self defense, and saving an innocent person’s life.

    P.S. I use the GOOD NEWS translation and the new revised standard version Catholic addition bibles.

  615. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:34 am 615.the messenger said …

    636.Abby, are you on drugs?

    The man who said “the only good indian is a dead indian” was general William Sherman. He was not a christian church official, and he only said that statement above to intimidate the indians.

  616. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:39 am 616.the messenger said …

    636.Abby, christians did not try to “kill” indians with residential schools, they were trying to help the indians fit in better with society.

    P.S., you are suffering from a bad case of dwtsi.

    D-dim

    W-witted

    T-total

    S-stupid

    I-idiot

  617. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:45 am 617.the messenger said …

    Abby, Catholics do not worship idols, mary, or the pope. We have respect for mary and the pope, but we do not worship them.

  618. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:50 am 618.the messenger said …

    636.Abby, we do not worship money either. You are so misguided.

    We use money to help the poor, sick, and injured people of the world. And to build churches.

  619. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:52 am 619.the messenger said …

    Abby, moses did not murder anyone.

  620. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:54 am 620.the messenger said …

    Abby, christians do not claim to be perfect, we simply try our hardest to not sin.

    Christians sin sometimes, but we always regret sinning and we try to not sin again.

  621. on 25 Nov 2013 at 4:35 am 621.the messenger said …

    622.DPK, The good news translation an new revised standard version catholic addition bibles are catholic, and they both say “you will not murder”or “you shall not murder”.

    The kjv verse “thou shall not kill”, means the same thing, but you must observe the text evidence to understand that. The kjv shows many situations in which killing is allowed, such as self defense, saving another person’s life, and getting food (plants and animals and fish). Due to the text evidence, it is clear that the word “kill” within the kjv means murder.

    Lastly, purgatory is a place of purging of sins, which is referenced indirectly in many bible verses.

  622. on 25 Nov 2013 at 5:05 am 622.the messenger said …

    622.DPK, you only posted half of the idol commandment.

    Here is the full commandment.
    4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

    5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

    You can make a statute or a symbol, but you cannot worship it. That is the meaning of the verse.

    The “jealous” verse is no longer in power due to the establishment of the new covenant where GOD has “forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”.

  623. on 25 Nov 2013 at 5:35 am 623.Abby said …

    How Ironic… Messenger ! I am not a believer in your God anymore.. I am undecided if he even exists or just is a goof and just doesn’t give a crap for anyone in this world ? But even I try not to do bad things and feel bad when I make that mistake ! Atheists are human being also…just because they do not believe doesn’t mean they are bad people deserving of hell or that they don’t do good, unselfish things in this world for others !! Christians do not have to claim to be perfect…it is in the attitude yous have ! I was just bashed by a Christian woman on another site just because of my life of hurt… she just don’t understand me or anyone who has lived through a life of hurt , pain and abandonment and filled with anger
    ( a normal human emotion)….just because she could not convince me to believe and be suddenly happy and praising God…she told me I would never have anything and God would take away even the man I love from me ad a way to punish me ! So on top of my already traumatized life and depression your God is going to make me suffer even more because I am too hurt to believe in him any longer ! If I talked to any non Christian counselor about my pain and my life and how I feel about the God thing they would never judge me treat me cruel like that ! Christians do not have to say they think they are perfect…it is in their attitude towards others not like them !

  624. on 25 Nov 2013 at 5:45 am 624.Abby said …

    the messenger said …
    Abby, moses did not murder anyone.

    YOU ARE RIGHT ! Moses got others to do it for him ! Coward !!!

  625. on 25 Nov 2013 at 6:02 am 625.Abby said …

    .the messenger said …
    Abby, Catholics do not worship idols, mary, or the pope. We have respect for mary and the pope, but we do not worship them.

    ALL over the internet are pictures of the pope and other Catholics bowing to statues of Mary and praying to them….!!!!!! yes you not only make these graven images of things in heaven, earth etc… you do bow down to them and even pray to them as if they can hear you !!!!! Mary was a sinner like anyone else and she needed a savior also so why are yous praying to her as if she is a god or has any of the powers of god to answer prayers ???? Yous made her not only an idol and a graven image…but you even BOW down to her and pray to her which belongs to God alone !!!! Shame ! God is a jealous God remember…he will not tolerate that at all !!!
    Respecting the Pope and Mary does not mean obeying them over God and bowing to them or praying to them !! While we are at it….how can any decent person respect the Pope ? He makes himself an image and an idol…go to the site called ” words of the beast” there is a whole history of statement made by the popes throughout history that clearly says they are EVIL !

    God’s commandment #Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

    4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

    5 Thou” shalt not bow down thyself to them”, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

  626. on 25 Nov 2013 at 6:10 am 626.Abby said …

    Messenger you statement above the the “Jealous” part of the commandment has been removed is BS ! No human can erase any part of the commandments ! Sorry but God is still jealous ! Is this another part of the commandments that the Pope felt to change himself ?
    The Pope is playing God on earth and trying to take God’s throne from him ! Creepy…. but that sounds like what Lucifer is trying to do also! Di you think the Pope and Lucifer are the very same people ? Could they be related ? I would say they are cahoots with each other !

  627. on 25 Nov 2013 at 6:30 am 627.Abby said …

    You are fucking as idiot Messenger and I would personally like to kick your retard ass ! Killing the Indian in residential schools means..killing the Indian in them !!.. And everything that makes them who they are as a people !!!! So you are a dumb fucking Catholic dimwit ! Making them fit into society ? Isn’t that going against free will ? So raping children up the ass and telling them they are Indian trash is the way to make them fit into society ??? I would surely love to see you bent over and getting up the ass by one of the Catholic Priests and told you are trash !!
    The catholic church had to apologize for that they did !! Even though it was the catholic church priest alone who did the raping and abuses..the pope blamed all Christians for it… ! What a dick head… I want the pope on a rope !!
    The more you talk messenger the more you prove you are NOT a true Christian ! You already exposed your true self to everyone on here to be a fake !
    One day you will get everything you deserve for the sick things you do and say about innocent people who have been abused ! I want to be there to watch it and participate !!!! If any one is on drugs or fucking stupid…it is clearly you ! Society was so fucked up why would they want to force anyone to be a part of it ? Let alone innocent children ! By the way the priests not only raped young children over and over..they starved them, made slave out of them for profit and beat them ! Is that getting them ready for society ? You make me so sick to my stomach..you are so evil and wicked ! You belong in Hell ! You can go there with the Pope !!!!!!

  628. on 25 Nov 2013 at 6:41 am 628.Abby said …

    Messenger..don’t you ever fucking minimize what was done to the native Americans …Ever !!!!!!!! You are a sick, evil bastard !!!! And don’t you ever fucking minimize what was done to those innocent native children either ! You will surely see hell fire for
    it !!! It was the very church you are a part of that has done all this evil and one day you will all pay for it in hell !!!!! If I end up in hell myself.. I will fucking drag your ass down there with me and torture you there for what you say about Natives !!!!! I have very close decent friends, and some relatives that are Native American !!!! The abusers never really understand how sick their abuses are to others….because they are corrupt in their own souls and evil ! Your father is the devil and you are his messenger !!!!!

  629. on 25 Nov 2013 at 6:59 am 629.Angus and Alexis said …

    Messenger you ignorant whelp, many christians killed the native indians on purpose. They thought that god had allowed them to take and own the land.

    This happened, deal with it.

  630. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:07 am 630.the messenger said …

    651.Abby, atheists have no set moral code that applies to all of them, they are disorganized like a hot mess.

    Atheists are bound by no moral code, and therefore do not live a truly moral life.

  631. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:08 am 631.Abby said …

    Messenger ( of the devil)..If you asshole Christians want to do the things you did to the native Americans do not complain when they do it back to you ! I am sure it was in response to stuff done to them first !!!! If you do not like my lady like English..who cares ! I will speak how I want to !
    You do not control me and society has taught me to talk like this when pissed off at things that are jot right or are cruel ! After having to be a lady for so long taking crap all my life.. I rather like the freedom of expression now !!!So… should I be polite when expressing my anger about what was done to the Native Americans ? I thought you Catholics were used to filthy talk..like molesting of children etc… ???
    I suppose if a woman is being raped and had to kill the rapist it would be her fault and she would be the blame ????? I suppose if that rapist got away with the rape and later she found him and retaliated and did the same torture to him…that would make her the bad one ??? He would be so innocent and everyone would feel so sorry for him ? if the Natives retaliated back after what was done to them..who is the blame ?… I am sorry for those people who were innocent in this whole mess and were killed on both sides! BUT the white man should have thought of that before they did what they started ! So in reality it was the ones who started the whole nightmare that are to blame for innocent being killed….on both sides ! That was not the fault of the Native Americans ! War is war and it is ugly so don’t start one is what the Christian whites should have understood !

  632. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:10 am 632.the messenger said …

    657.Angus and Alexis, true christians only killed native americans in self defense, or in the defense of someone else’s life.

    murderous people are not true christians.

  633. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:14 am 633.the messenger said …

    659.Abby, the settlers that were murdered by the native americans were innocent.

    The natives americans killed CHILDREN!!

    The people who molested those children were not true catholics. They betrayed GOD.

  634. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:16 am 634.the messenger said …

    656.Abby, I did not minimize the awful things that happened to them. I simply stated the fact that the native americans were not all that innocent.

    Both sides suffered.

    The people who murdered the innocent native americans were not true christians.

  635. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:26 am 635.the messenger said …

    659.Abby, no one knows who shed the first blood, I was not their. I wish I could have prevented it.

    I know the hardships they went threw, I am simply saying that some of them were murderous and earned punishment.

    Revenge is a bad thing. Whoever takes revenge on a person is just as bad as the person who first inflicted the harm and started the conflict.

  636. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:29 am 636.the messenger said …

    656.Abby, the christian churches did not order the attacks on native americans. The old west U.S. polotitions ordered those attacks.

    Read your history.

  637. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:34 am 637.the messenger said …

    655.Abby, I did not say “making them fit into society”, I said “they were trying to help the indians fit in better with society.”.
    Giving people a choice is not against free will.

    Stop twisting my words.

  638. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:40 am 638.the messenger said …

    654.Abby, I did not say that it was “removed”, i said that the jealousy verse is “no longer in power”. STOP TWISTING MY WORDS.

    In the old covenant, GOD was stricter and remembered their sins and punished every sin hard. When the new covenant was established, GOD said that he forgives our sins and forgets our sins, therefore indicating that the “jealousy” verse is no longer IN POWER.

  639. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:42 am 639.the messenger said …

    655.Abby, they chose to leave their culture. THEY CHOSE.

  640. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:48 am 640.the messenger said …

    653.Abby, we do not worship pictures or statues. We have them because they remind us of holy people and the great things they did on earth.

    We do not worship mary or the pope. We admire them and respect them, but we do not worship them. We do not follow their orders over GOD’s, they get their orders from GOD just like everyone else. Their job is to teach the teachings on GOD, not their personal teachings.

  641. on 25 Nov 2013 at 7:51 am 641.the messenger said …

    Abby, that is all one commandment.

    4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
    5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

    You can make a statute or a symbol, but you cannot worship it. That is the meaning of the verse.

  642. on 25 Nov 2013 at 1:14 pm 642.Angus and Alexis said …

    What absolute garble.

    “they were not real christians”

    Well guess what, there are many who would say that you are not a real christian.

    I wonder why…

  643. on 25 Nov 2013 at 3:54 pm 643.DPK said …

    LOL… Messy is such a doofus.

    Abby, we forgot to tell you that when his delusions are threatened, he likes to change the meaning of words and such. And of course, he is the authority on what god ACTUALLY means when he says something Messy doesn’t like too much.

    “Eternal” does not mean forever, just a long time.

    When the bible tells you to stone someone “to death”, that’s just a metaphor.

    When god said “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” That means you can MAKE the image as long as you don’t bow down in front of it. Kneeling, presumably, is ok.

    Messy, if that’s what your god meant, he would have just said, “Do not worship any graven images.” The fact that he thought enough to say “Do not MAKE any graven images.” means he doesn’t want you making them, despite your desperate attempt to rationalize it.

    Oh, and why would the supreme creator of the universe refer to the “waters below the earth” and the “creatures that dwell there”? He made the earth, wouldn’t he have known that it was a sphere, and there is in fact no “waters” below it, only space, and certainly no creatures living there?
    That sounds way more like something an ignorant tribesman would write, rater than the supreme creator of the universe.
    You are always good for a morning laugh though… thanks.

  644. on 25 Nov 2013 at 8:59 pm 644.the messenger said …

    670.Angus and Alexis, because they are corrupted.

  645. on 25 Nov 2013 at 9:26 pm 645.the messenger said …

    671.DPK, I did not change the meaning of the word “eternal”, I simply explained that it is descriptive word that is used to stress how long hell punishment lasts. I provided text evidence to support that claim.

    Here is text evidence to support the “stoning” claim. In John 7:53-8:11 Jesus saved a young woman from being literally stoned, and he revealed that only people who have never sinned have the right to literally stone a person to death. All humans have sinned(except Jesus), therefore no one except GOD(aka, Jesus) is allowed to stone a person to death. If humans are not allowed to stone each other, the verses about stoning must be metaphorical. This is a logical conclusion.

    671.DPK, the verses about idols, is all one commandment. We can make statues, but we cannot worship them. Why else would there be so many chrsitian statues in the world?

    GOD did not write the bible, he inspired it but did not write it. Prophets wrote it.

    The earth that they were referring to was land, and the waters below was the sea. The sea is below the part of the earth that we live on, so that verse is correct. The book of genesis never denied the earth being a sphere, as you said it did. The verse that says “the creatures below it” and “creatures that dwell there”, it is referring to the sea creatures, and that they live in the water that is below the part of the earth that we live on.

  646. on 25 Nov 2013 at 9:36 pm 646.DPK said …

    See what I mean?

    hahahaha.

  647. on 25 Nov 2013 at 11:36 pm 647.the hor said …

    “The book of genesis never denied the earth being a sphere, as you said it did.”

    Flat actually started with scientist and science was funded by the church. (So much for the church being against science lol!!)

    Isaiah is quite clear that the earth is round. The Bible is quite clear the universe has a beginning even though science claimed it did not until the last 100 years of so……lol!!!

    Dippy did not answer my question again. Contact Rich Dawkins, he might bail you out….lol!!!

  648. on 26 Nov 2013 at 12:50 am 648.DPK said …

    Isaiah quite clearly refers yo the earth as a circle. It isn’t a circle, it’s a sphere. The bible also frequently refers to the “ends of” and the “corners of” the earth.
    Nowhere does it even hint that the world is a sphere. Nice try.
    I suppose you agree with messy that “eternal” does not mean ” for eternity too?

    Your title so ASS is rightly deserved.

  649. on 26 Nov 2013 at 1:07 am 649.the messenger said …

    648.DPK, In those verses, it is used in a descriptive way, not a literal way.

    I am not changing the definition.

    P.S. A sphere is a circular shape.

  650. on 26 Nov 2013 at 1:55 am 650.the hor said …

    Lol!!!! Its so cute when atheists to play theologian! Theses who claim no God know so much Bible!

    Cute! For kicks and giggles lets pretend there is no God.

    All morals all relative so nothing is immoral? Hmmm? So who decides?

    Each person?
    Society?
    Majority opinion?

    Agnus and Alexi claimed laws. That means they think killing woman, Christians, Jews is OK! How horrible! What say you Dip?

  651. on 26 Nov 2013 at 3:17 am 651.DPK said …

    I already answered your question Hor. The fact that you are to stupid to compendium it is not my problem.
    Do you agree with messy that eternal does not mean forever and that a circle is a sphere?
    You guys are just too funny.

  652. on 26 Nov 2013 at 3:18 am 652.DPK said …

    Comprehend, not compendium… Damn auto correct!

  653. on 26 Nov 2013 at 4:02 am 653.According to the “hor” said …

    “I already answered your question Hor. The fact that you are to stupid to compendium it is not my problem.”

    Good, tell me the post number so we can all clear this up.

    The Hebrew word used in Isaiah can be circle or sphere. Listen this time and you atheists need to come up with better arguments rather than the same lame, tired debunked ones time and time again.

    God doesn’t actually sit on the earth either silly. The language is metaphorical in nature. But seeing you only read websites about the Bible you couldn’t know?

    But why the obsession with the Bible? Lets assume its not true. How have you disproved God or Jesus? Hmmmm?

    Now, don’t forget, need that post number where you answered the question. :)

    Prediction: Dippy does not and did not answer the question..

    Dippy, do you agree with Agnus, murdering and rape are OK because laws say it is OK???

  654. on 26 Nov 2013 at 8:45 am 654.Angus and Alexis said …

    Hor, please amuse me.

    State ONE modern civilized country that states murder and rape is legal.

  655. on 26 Nov 2013 at 12:47 pm 655.the hor said …

    ” ONE modern civilized country that states murder and rape is legal”

    Oh!!!!!, so only certain laws in certain countries are moral. So which ones? And what criteria will you be using?

    In the US it is legal to kill a baby that survives abortion. Is that moral? Are they uncivilized?

  656. on 26 Nov 2013 at 4:29 pm 656.DPK said …

    hor, I answered you already. You are just too dim to realize it, or are just playing you usual fingers in your ears game. Since you have already admitted to Booby that you do not take any discussion here seriously and only come here in an attempt to amuse yourself, why don’t you amuse yourself further and read back through the posts and see if you can recognize it. If you can’t be bothered to “wade though” it, then find some other way to amuse yourself beside wasting our time.
    If I had a week to kill, I could go back and compile a list of the HUNDREDS of direct, to the point questions that have been asked of you, dozens of times, that you have refused to answer. But, I have better things to do.

    Your concept of “absolute morality” has been dismantled and dismissed by everyone but the idiot messenger, and even you two do not agree on what it actually instructs. But then again, he likes to redefine words to suit his meaning, so you can see how he is not too hard to persuade, as long as there is some woo woo involved.

    Now go make some graven images of creatures that live in the waters under the circle of the earth. Don’t bump you head on the firmaments that are holding it up while you’re looking…. LOL.

  657. on 26 Nov 2013 at 6:42 pm 657.the hor said …

    “hor, I answered you already.”

    Translation: I dodged your question which is why I can’t provide a post number.

    OK

    Agnus has told us laws determine what is moral. IF this is true then politicians, dictators and tyrants THEN determine what is moral. Yes? That means laws in Russia that persecute gays are moral. Laws in S Korea that kill Christians for having a Bible are OK. And the many Middle East countries who will kill atheists, women and Christians, well, they must be moral too.

    There ya go, the atheist morality on display. Nothing is immoral, it is all just relative! Lol!!!

  658. on 26 Nov 2013 at 7:52 pm 658.DPK said …

    “658.the hor said …

    “hor, I answered you already.”

    Translation: I dodged your question which is why I can’t provide a post number.”

    Actual translation:
    “Your response to me made me realize what a complete and total idiot I am by declaring that there is an absolute, unchangeable, god given morality that instructs me on what to do so I don’t ever have to think about it and make a judgement. So, rather than acknowledge it, I am simply going to pretend that you never replied, so that maybe some poor idiot who is just now joining the discussion will be fooled into thinking it is you, and not me, who is being intellectually dishonest.”

    “Plus, as I have said before, I treat everything here as a joke and have absolutely no intention of actually debating honestly, or “wading through” any evidence presented. That would be beneath me and my superior morality.”

    “…laws in Russia that persecute gays are moral.”

    Well, before we analyze that, suppose you tell us exactly what your bible instructs you to do to gays? Then we can take a look at the basis for these supposed laws of which you speak.

    “Laws in S Korea that kill Christians for having a Bible are OK.” You keep talking about laws in South Korea… I think maybe you need another geography lesson… like the time you ridiculed me for not knowing that Bangkok was a large city in India that used to be called Mumbai. How on earth did you ever get your Astrophysict’s degree when you don’t even know North from South there, Sparky? Perhaps you wandered too close to the edge of the earth and got disoriented.

    If you are actually talking about North Korea, I don’t think that qualifies as a “modern, civilized country” LOL.

  659. on 26 Nov 2013 at 8:38 pm 659.the hor said …

    “If you are actually talking about North Korea, I don’t think that qualifies as a “modern, civilized”

    Alright now! We are getting somewhere. We can’t get Dippy answer a question he has declared N Korea ( my bad on the typo)is not modern and civilized. Having been there I can attest it is quite modern. They are controlled by atheists too!

    But dippy claims they are not civilized? Dippy, what guidelines do we use to declare a nation is or is not civilized? The atheists running the nation believe they are very civilized?

    Prediction: still no answer, no post number and attempts to change subject.

  660. on 26 Nov 2013 at 9:02 pm 660.DPK said …

    “Having been there I can attest it is quite modern. They are controlled by atheists too!”

    And you made it out alive? Will miracles never cease? I guess they are quite as hell bent on killing christians as you would have us believe then LOL.

    “But dippy claims they are not civilized? Dippy, what guidelines do we use to declare a nation is or is not civilized?”

    I dunno, maybe the fact that they threaten to launch nuclear weapons at other countries? Maybe the same criteria you used to declare it a “modern” country. Tell us Ass, modern compared to what? Japan, South Korea, Canada? Surely you must have a frame of reference other than the bible! Oh, that’s it! Since the bible is your only frame of reference, then I guess it is indeed a modern, civilized country… at least they aren’t stoning people for working on Sunday.. or are they? I’ve never been, so I don’t know.

    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?

  661. on 26 Nov 2013 at 10:07 pm 661.the hor said …

    “Tell us Ass, modern compared to what? Japan, South Korea, Canada?”

    Well, yes, they are a very high tech nation and are considered a world power as compared to Uganda.

    But alas! Bow quickly you fulfill my prediction! A change of subject,……a no answer in order to NOT tell us what makes them uncivilized and why. Nukes? the laws of a nation with nukes are immoral? But why are nukes immoral?

    Ah yes, Dippy is in a pickle and he desperately is looking for an escape. Time to call the ethicist…..lol•

  662. on 26 Nov 2013 at 11:44 pm 662.Angus and Alexis said …

    South Korea is not civilised, you know why?

    Civilised: a stage of social development considered to be more advanced.

    Korea is not socially advanced.

  663. on 27 Nov 2013 at 12:26 am 663.DPK said …

    So, your assemeny of “modern” is based in reference to the use of technology compared to Uganda? Is that how you judge? Or does architecture count too? How about compared to Japan, or perhaps the UAE? There must be an absolute scale of “modern” with specific critera since you pronounced them to be “modern”. What is it?

    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?

    Why don’t you ever answer a direct question? Did you find my answer to your question about where morality arises from in societies? Explain it back to us so we can tell if you grasp the concept, or are just being willfully ignorant again.

  664. on 27 Nov 2013 at 2:40 am 664.According to the “hor” said …

    “Civilised: a stage of social development considered to be more advanced. Korea is not socially advanced”

    They are not socially advanced? Imagine! and they are atheist. So Agnus, you have concluded Korea is NOT civilized so their laws are immoral? Is that correct?

    So…….how do we determined who is and is not civilized? We need to know this so we can determine what are morals should be. How socially developed must they be? Is this correct? Give some examples so we can correctly determine what is and is not moral.

    This is interesting.

    Dippy needs the help too. He desperately wnats to change the subject. lol!!

  665. on 27 Nov 2013 at 8:42 am 665.Angus and Alexis said …

    Being an atheist country does not make it civilized.

    As i have said, civilized is defined as being socially advanced.

    Dictatorship is not advanced.

    Democracy is advanced for example.

    However, depending on the country, laws may be different, death penalty for example.

  666. on 27 Nov 2013 at 12:47 pm 666.the hor said …

    “, depending on the country, laws may be different, death penalty for example”

    Of Of course laws are different place to place. So how do we know which laws are from the civilized and which laws are from the uncivilized? You first stated laws dictate what is moral but now we have this extra condition?????

  667. on 27 Nov 2013 at 1:37 pm 667.Dippy said …

    Hor,
    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?

    This is the third time I’ve asked you this. Why are you dodging the question?

  668. on 27 Nov 2013 at 1:49 pm 668.chorizo said …

    Angus and Alexis are you saying a nation must be civilized in order to be moral?

    You just called about 80% or Africa and India immoral. You two are about as arrogant as they come.

  669. on 27 Nov 2013 at 3:52 pm 669.the messenger said …

    We do not discriminate against gay people.

    The law states that no one(gay and straight people) is allowed to have sex with the same gender.

    In other words, the law applies to gay and straight people. it is not discrimination due to the fact that it applies to gay and straight people.

    Sex causes lust, therefore to prevent lust, sex must only be used for reproduction. People of the same gender cannot reproduce, therefore same gender sex is not allowed because it’s only purpose would be for lust.

  670. on 27 Nov 2013 at 4:01 pm 670.Dippy said …

    Way to completely miss the point there Messy.
    You should change your handle to “clueless”.

    Chorizo, what A&A and I are both saying is that morality can only be viewed in the framework of the circumstance around it, not in an absolute sense.

    If you discovered an isolated tribe in Africa who performed ritual animal sacrifices because they believed their gods required it in order to provide them with food and shelter, would you deem that immoral?

    But, if you found a group of teenagers in Cincinnati who were performing ritual animal sacrifices because they thought it would get them booze and drugs, you’d probably agree that was immoral.

    Now answer the question… what’s the difference?

  671. on 27 Nov 2013 at 5:42 pm 671.the hor said …

    Chorizo,

    As you can see, Agnus claim laws determine our morals. Not all laws, just laws from civilized countries (lol!. Dippy just claims whatever he thinks is moral then that’s is what we should all do. Both views are very arrogant. Lol!!

  672. on 27 Nov 2013 at 5:55 pm 672.Dippy said …

    Hor,
    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?

    This is the third time I’ve asked you this. Why are you dodging the question?

  673. on 27 Nov 2013 at 5:57 pm 673.Dippy said …

    Correction, this is now the FOURTH time you have been asked this directly.

  674. on 27 Nov 2013 at 6:38 pm 674.chorizo said …

    I think anyone who only uses their opinion to claim poor tribal people in isolated areas of the world are immoral are no more than arrogant jerks who need to be taken down a notch.

    I don’t know where theses arrogant know-it-alls get their license from to criticize from but it carries no weight.

  675. on 27 Nov 2013 at 6:48 pm 675.Dippy said …

    674.chorizo said …

    I think anyone who only uses their opinion to claim poor tribal people in isolated areas of the world are immoral are no more than arrogant jerks who need to be taken down a notch.”

    Ok, so now we are getting somewhere! So you agree that the “poor tribal people” would not be considered immoral for sacrificing animals to their god in order to insure (in their minds) their survival, but the teenagers in Ohio would be immoral for sacrificing animals in order to try and get drugs and booze?
    Same action… different moral judgement. How does that fit into your concept of absolute morality? In an absolute morality, animal sacrifice must be either right all the time, or wrong all the time. According to Hor, the morality of the act “does not depend”.

    Seems you and I are in agreement Mr. Chorizo. Thanks.

  676. on 27 Nov 2013 at 7:03 pm 676.Dippy said …

    How about it Hor?
    Do you agree with your fellow theist that:
    “I think anyone who only uses their opinion to claim poor tribal people in isolated areas of the world are immoral are no more than arrogant jerks who need to be taken down a notch.” ?

    Because that would be, eh-hem, you!

    LOL!!! This is priceless.

  677. on 27 Nov 2013 at 7:29 pm 677.the hor said …

    “no more than arrogant jerks who need to be taken down a notch.”

    They are more than that, they are clueless. They hate the so-called uncivilized people.

    But take it a step further. A 16 yr old lies to a parent. For an atheist, its not immoral. They broke no laws in a civilized nation.

    To be fair, only Agnes and Dippy believe such nonsense.

    lol!!!

  678. on 27 Nov 2013 at 8:20 pm 678.Dippy said …

    Oh Hor… you are really confused now, aren’t you?

  679. on 27 Nov 2013 at 8:40 pm 679.the messenger said …

    670.Dippy, regardless of the desired outcome, it is still morally wrong to worship a false GOD.

    Praying to a false GOD will not help anyone.

    Only Jesus can help, because he is the only real GOD.

  680. on 27 Nov 2013 at 11:41 pm 680.Angus and Alexis said …

    “A 16 yr old lies to a parent. For an atheist, its not immoral. They broke no laws in a civilized nation.”

    Lying is immoral, what nonsense say otherwise?
    Laws dictate what is moral, yes.
    But other inputs also dictate it.
    Area, race, religion, current status of country, etc.

  681. on 28 Nov 2013 at 2:32 am 681.the hor said …

    “Lying is immoral”

    Funny, Dippy says it is OK.

    Then you come back with…..

    “But other inputs also dictate it”

    Suppose this “Area, race, religion, current status of country” dictates lying, killing woman for not covering their head or killing someone with a Bible is moral? So for you that would be moral huh?

    You just help support that anything is moral. Getting deeper and deeper Agnus.

  682. on 28 Nov 2013 at 4:22 am 682.Dippy said …

    Hor, hate to point this out to you, but I thought it perhaps slipped your attention:
    I noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?
    This is the FIFTH time I’ve asked you this. Why are you dodging the question?

    Now Chorizo says that animal sacrifices to a god that a primitive tribe happens to believe in is not immoral, and anyone who says it is, is arrogant and needs to be “taken down”. You apparently agree with him, but messy does not. Hmmm, aren’t you all referencing the same absolute moral code? Tell us, is ritual animal sacrifices moral according to your code, or not? In your world, does absolute mean something completely different? Like messy, who says eternal does not mean forever.

  683. on 28 Nov 2013 at 6:55 am 683.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Funny, Dippy says it is OK.”

    You never stated what level of lying.

    In the example of “nazi wants the jews” you can lie, its a good reason to, why let murderers kill?

    But if it is something like “person wants to know who stole the icecream cone” you should tell the truth, not lie, there is no reason to lie.

  684. on 28 Nov 2013 at 1:49 pm 684.the hor said …

    “You never stated what level of lying.”

    Oh, so morality is not laws it is now based upon whatever the individual believes? Why does your definition keep changing?

    So when N Korea kills Christians with a Bible, they believe they are doing what is best for society. So according to you that is OK? They did have a good reason.

    When Stalin killed, he only killed to insure hs kept power. HE felt it was vital he kept power to keep his very young nation, the USSR together. MUST of been OK, because had a what he felt was a good reason.

    So is that how in works now? Any act is OK if you have a “good” reason.

    Happy Thanksgiving

  685. on 28 Nov 2013 at 1:50 pm 685.Dippy said …

    “Funny, Dippy says it is OK.”
    You never stated what level of lying.

    For someone who says that lying is always immoral, Hor seems to have little problem doing it here, repeatedly.
    Hor show me where I said it is “ok to lie”. Since you can’t that makes you a liar. It is sad that you must continually construct straw man arguments in order to argue against.
    What I said was that there are circumstances where it would be more moral to lie than it would be to tell the truth. You have not provided even one shread of evidence or one remotely plausible explanation as to why this is incorrect.

    Your absolute morality claim is now in pieces, and your theist buddies are in disagreement over what it actually calls for. Maybe if you actually presented this absolute moral code that you claim to have, we could examine it to see what it actually says.

  686. on 28 Nov 2013 at 3:31 pm 686.Dippy said …

    Hor:
    It seems you agree that the “poor tribal people” would not be considered immoral for sacrificing animals to their god in order to insure (in their minds) their survival, but the teenagers in Ohio would be immoral for sacrificing animals in order to try and get drugs and booze?
    Same action… different moral judgement. How does that fit into your concept of absolute morality? In an absolute morality, animal sacrifice must be either right all the time, or wrong all the time. According to Hor, the morality of the act “does not depend”.

    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?
    This is the SIXTH time I’ve asked you this. Why are you dodging the question???

  687. on 28 Nov 2013 at 4:04 pm 687.alex said …

    y’all see how this works? the dim hor not only speaks/believes in his imaginary god, he makes up posts in an obvious deragatory manner. dippy for DPK? how original.

    you happy, angus? go ahead and criticize my posts. i’ve said before, asses like hor are not to be tolerated. please, i’m not talking about cool xtians, muslims, hindus, etc. twits like hor love to talk and make up obvious crap in a lame attempt to placate their imaginary god. is that rich? made up shit for their made up shit god?

    forget the camaro, toe, oceans swimming, etc. don’t even try that shit that atheists have nothing to live for. it’s exactly the opposite. xtian motherfuckers are the one that have nothing. with heaven in the waiting, what is the point?

    atheists know exactly that the score is. it’s sudden death and we know it. messenger, hor and the rest of you motherfuckers, y’all can fuck yourselves.

    dippy? what a stupid moniker. are we supposed to think it’s DPK? you on the other hand is so fucking transparent, it’s laughable. monikers like martin, hor, astro, etc sound familiar? for the uninitiated, these are the names that hor has comically used in the past. the way he’s been busted is hilarious. who’s stupid enough to leave the bogus name while replying to himself?

    what do i bring to the table? contempt for the morons. same thing i handed to the bible thumper this morning.

    do i represent all atheists? hell no! i represent independent thinking. happy thanksgiving bitch.

  688. on 28 Nov 2013 at 4:53 pm 688.Dippy said …

    Um Alex, it is me DPK. Why else would I be hammering Hor for refusing to answer questions?
    I decided to just adopt the name he gave me, dippy, basically to demonstrate how childish he is with his schoolyard name calling. He can call me what he wants, but it doesn’t change the fact that he refuses to answer the questions, and that his argument for an absolute morality handed down by a supreme being doesn’t stand up to the light of day.

    How about it Hor? Should I ask a 7th time?

  689. on 28 Nov 2013 at 6:25 pm 689.the hor said …

    “Um Alex, it is me DPK. Why else would I ”

    lol!!!!!!!! So classic! Alex he follows by leads….lol!!!! Love it!

    ” I said was that there are circumstances where it would be more moral to lie”

    When?
    How do you decide?
    Can everyone make this call & be moral?
    Was Stalin’s lies and murderers moral?
    Who decides when it is immoral?
    Does more moral mean nothing is immoral?

    Will we get more attempts to get off topic?

    ( sigh!), prediction: yes….

  690. on 28 Nov 2013 at 7:04 pm 690.According to the “hor” said …

    “what do i bring to the table?”

    Alex love you babe. I do! What do you bring to the table? Well….nothing……but I like to bring the down and out to my table!

    Happy Thanksgiving Alex. Hope you are not alone with your scary thoughts!

  691. on 28 Nov 2013 at 7:33 pm 691.alex said …

    “What do you bring to the table? Well….nothing……”

    unlike you, the purveyor of lies, hate, and fantasies?

    the champion of creationism in schools? the subscriber of the movement against gay marriages? the big mouth opponent of freedom of religions.

    the only thing i’m guilty of, is my skepticism. maybe dippy is DPK or not, but it doesn’t matter. what matters is i don’t have to take your bullshit.

    and, what do you bring? camaros, toes, hitler, obama, etc. it’s worse than nothing. feeble attempts from the equally feeble mind.

    ciao, motherfucker.

  692. on 28 Nov 2013 at 10:16 pm 692.Dippy said …

    Hor:
    It seems you agree that the “poor tribal people” would not be considered immoral for sacrificing animals to their god in order to insure (in their minds) their survival, but the teenagers in Ohio would be immoral for sacrificing animals in order to try and get drugs and booze?
    Same action… different moral judgement. How does that fit into your concept of absolute morality? In an absolute morality, animal sacrifice must be either right all the time, or wrong all the time. According to Hor, the morality of the act “does not depend”.
    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?
    This is the SEVENTH time I’ve asked you this. Why are you dodging the question???

  693. on 28 Nov 2013 at 11:12 pm 693.Marino said …

    the hit,

    I’ll be glad to answer the questions. I am agnostic but I admit I use the morality taught by Jesus as my guide. Just because a law is passed does not make an action moral. Many things not covered by a law are immoral. I guess since I was raised under Judeo-Christian values I have held to them all my life.

  694. on 28 Nov 2013 at 11:28 pm 694.alex said …

    “I am agnostic but I admit I use the morality taught by Jesus as my guide.”

    the guide is bogus. killing somebody can be justified with or without the guide. it’s the pretense and righteousness that justifies the bullshit guide.

    if it was a real guide, hor would pull it out of his ass and apply it. but he won’t because he knows that every situation is subjective.

    no, hor. atheist don’t get to do what they want, you dumbshit. atheists use their brain depending on what the situation warrants. of course, you wouldn’t know that, because it requires a brain. you don’t need one don’t you? just pull out your bible checklist, yes?

    let me see, the crackhead addict is attacking me with a knife, should i kill him? for the appropriate response, consult your bible guide..

  695. on 29 Nov 2013 at 12:57 am 695.the messenger said …

    711.Angus and Alexis, your stupidity grows.

    I provided ways to hide the jews and still keep the natzis away from them without lying.

  696. on 29 Nov 2013 at 12:59 am 696.the messenger said …

    722.alex, there is no “no killing law” in the bible.

    The law states thou shall not “murder”.

    Are you drunk or high? Seems like it.

  697. on 29 Nov 2013 at 1:04 am 697.the messenger said …

    720.Dippy, regardless of the desired outcome, it is always immoral to worship or sacrifice to a pagan GOD.

    We do not discriminate against gay people.
    The law states that no one(gay or straight) is allowed to have sex with the same gender.
    In other words, the law applies to gay and straight people. it is not discrimination due to the fact that it applies to gay and straight people.
    Sex causes lust, therefore to prevent lust, sex must only be used for reproduction. People of the same gender cannot reproduce, therefore same gender sex is not allowed because it’s only purpose would be for lust.

  698. on 29 Nov 2013 at 1:04 am 698.the messenger said …

    720.Dippy, regardless of the desired outcome, it is always immoral to worship or sacrifice to a pagan GOD.

    We do not discriminate against gay people.

    The law states that no one(gay or straight) is allowed to have sex with the same gender.
    In other words, the law applies to gay and straight people. it is not discrimination due to the fact that it applies to gay and straight people.
    Sex causes lust, therefore to prevent lust, sex must only be used for reproduction. People of the same gender cannot reproduce, therefore same gender sex is not allowed because it’s only purpose would be for lust.
    ,,,,,

  699. on 29 Nov 2013 at 1:14 am 699.alex said …

    “The law states thou shall not “murder”.”\

    you off your holy meds again? abraham, go kill your son. or is it, go murder your son?

    you cherry picking motherfucker. anything you don’t like in the bible, you deem allegorical, euphemistic, out of context or whatever apolegetic bullshit you’ll come up at the moment.

    go stone some adulterers you cowardly bitch. at least the amish stands true to their conviction unlike you, you fucking pussy.

  700. on 29 Nov 2013 at 1:21 am 700.alex said …

    “Sex causes lust, therefore to prevent lust, sex must only be used for reproduction.”

    back on your soap box again, eh, you two faced hypocrite. preach all you want, but i bet, you lust, pornify and do other shits even though you righteously proclaim against it.

    but of course, your imaginary god allows you do it with a clean conscience. as you wait for your porn to load, you can spew your nonsense on this board, smug with your fucked up righteous mind, comfortable in the knowledge that redemption is at hand, errr, the other hand.

  701. on 29 Nov 2013 at 3:06 am 701.the messenger said …

    699.alex, are you on drugs?

    GOD was testing Abraham’s loyalty, also he prevented Abraham from killing/murdering his son.

    I was not cherry picking, I was referring to exodus 20:13(a complete law within the torah).

    You were attempting to discuss an entirely different verse than the one that I was referring to.

    I did not change this verse, or any verse.

    I only deem a verse as allegorical, euphemistic, or metaphorical if I have text evidence to support it.

  702. on 29 Nov 2013 at 3:17 am 702.the messenger said …

    728.alex, you sad, confused man.

    Instead of arguing against my statement, you make feeble attempts to avoid it by changing the subject.

    I do not lust. If I did I would be a hypocrite, and thus breaking one of GOD’s laws.

    Tell me, can you prove that I am a hypocrite, or is that just another one of your Christianophobic/anti semitic stereotypes?

    I am waiting.

  703. on 29 Nov 2013 at 3:21 am 703.the messenger said …

    728.alex, GOD does want anyone to lust, and also does not want anyone to have a clear conscience while they do it.

    No one is allowed to lust. That is one of GOD’s laws, and it applies to everyone.

  704. on 29 Nov 2013 at 3:29 am 704.alex said …

    “Tell me, can you prove that I am a hypocrite, or is that just another one of your Christianophobic/anti semitic stereotypes?”

    “We do not discriminate against gay people.”

    “Sex causes lust, therefore to prevent lust, sex must only be used for reproduction.”

    your words, you fuckhead. more hyperbole?

    anti semitic? how about anti dipshit motherfuckers like you?

  705. on 29 Nov 2013 at 3:44 am 705.the messenger said …

    The king James bible says thou shall not kill, but because of the context, it means the word “murder”.

    The king james 20:13 says that “thou shall not kill”, but exodus 21:13 says “And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.”

    I see the bible as one complete text, therefore I see that the law means killing is only allowed if it is not pre planned and if it is for a good reason, such as self defense or defense of someone’s life. In any other situation, killing is not allowed.

    The catholic church understood this and decided that the word “murder” helped people better understand the full meaning of the law. That is why many Catholic and Jewish bibles include the word “murder” in exodus 20:13 instead of the word “kill”.

  706. on 29 Nov 2013 at 3:51 am 706.alex said …

    i see the bible paying off rape, but you know better don’t you? more allegorical? nope. if you tried paying off the rape like the bible says, what do you think would happen?

  707. on 29 Nov 2013 at 4:02 am 707.alex said …

    messenger, since you’re the self proclaimed perfect, non-sinning catholic motherfucker, why don’t you publish your real name so that we can all cower in fear when we finally acknowledge your sainthood?

    afraid aren’t you? even though you have the protection of the almighty, you still not so sure, aren’t you, you fake bitch.

  708. on 29 Nov 2013 at 4:47 am 708.the messenger said …

    706.alex, I would have no money, and be married to a lot of women who would be angry at me for along time.

    The bible says that if a person rapes another person, he must pay for his evil actions, and must marry the woman that he raped and he must take good care of her.

    This law is suppose to punish rapists, and help the young woman that was raped.

    This is a good law.

  709. on 29 Nov 2013 at 5:35 am 709.alex said …

    708.the messenger said …
    I would have no money, and be married to a lot of women who would be angry at me for along time.
    The bible says that if a person rapes another person, he must pay for his evil actions, and must marry the woman that he raped and he must take good care of her.
    This law is suppose to punish rapists, and help the young woman that was raped.
    This is a good law.

    hor, you dumbfuck. you understand, now? of course you don’t. more camaros?

  710. on 29 Nov 2013 at 2:30 pm 710.Dippy said …

    Messy writes;
    “The bible says that if a person rapes another person, he must pay for his evil actions, and must marry the woman that he raped and he must take good care of her.
    This is a good law.”

    Another shining example of Christian insanity.

    How about you Hor? Do you agree with Messy that women should be forced to marry their rapists? How does that fit within your absolute moral code?

  711. on 29 Nov 2013 at 2:44 pm 711.According to the “hor” said …

    “I’ll be glad to answer the questions. I am agnostic but I admit I use the morality taught by Jesus as my guide.”

    Thank you for the honesty Marino. Most atheists do use the Judeo-Christian moral authority. They just hate Christians, Jews and God so much they refuse to acknowledge the fact.

    How do you like the Agnus-Dippy moral code? I’m still trying to figure out what it is. They refuse to answer…………. lol!!!

  712. on 29 Nov 2013 at 3:02 pm 712.Dippy said …

    Hor, why must you lie all the time? Isn’t that against your moral code?
    No one here EVER said that the Judeo-Christian principals are not a good guide for morality. We said they are not ABSOLUTE…. a fact that you have demonstrated over and over again.
    A child knows you should be kind to others, you shouldn’t take what isn’t yours, you should be honest and act with integrity. These are concepts that evolve from living in a society with others. They are not handed down by some magical god and they were certainly not a brand new idea that no one ever heard of until Jesus showed up and revealed them…. LOL indeed.

    Oh, by the way:

    It seems you agree that the “poor tribal people” would not be considered immoral for sacrificing animals to their god in order to insure (in their minds) their survival, but the teenagers in Ohio would be immoral for sacrificing animals in order to try and get drugs and booze?
    Same action… different moral judgement. How does that fit into your concept of absolute morality? In an absolute morality, animal sacrifice must be either right all the time, or wrong all the time. According to Hor, the morality of the act “does not depend”.
    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?
    This is the EIGHTH time I’ve asked you this. Why are you refusing to answer these question?

  713. on 29 Nov 2013 at 4:04 pm 713.alex said …

    “Most atheists do use the Judeo-Christian moral authority.”

    wrong, idiot. atheists use their analytical brain of which you are lacking, as you have demonstrated many times over.

    “They just hate Christians, Jews and God so much..”

    hate a god that don’t exist? you that desperate? i hate your god as much as i hate the yeti and the idiot yeti followers/hunters?

    “How do you like the Agnus-Dippy moral code?”

    making up more shit to support your shit god? get it thru your fecal brain, your god’s moral code is fictional and your inability to produce it confirms it. now you turn the shit around and ask for the atheist version?

    o-fer again, as usual. now bring back the camaro.

  714. on 29 Nov 2013 at 5:16 pm 714.Dippy said …

    So, let’s review some of the conclusions we have so far with regard to the absolute code of morality provided in the bible:

    Messy says in the runaway train scenario, one must decide if the single person or the crowd of people are “better” and save the one who is morally superior. So, according to messy, the life of one true Christian holds more value than the combined lives of 100 non-believer. All things being equal, majority rules. Hor says nothing, so we can only assume he agrees.
    In the Nazi’s hunting Jews scenario, one must devise some way to discourage the Nazis from discovering the Jews hiding without lying. It is not ok to tell a lie to genocidal maniacs on a human hunt. Presumably then, lying seems to be even worse than actually killing someone, because that is sometimes acceptable, but lying never is. Hor concurs.
    It is also never ok to lie to a burglar, rapist, or murderer in order to protect a loved one. You must either rely on your weapons cache or alarm system for protection. You may not lie to them. Hor agrees.
    So lying seems to be always forbidden, unless it is lying about what some filthy atheist says in order to convince someone that you are right and they are wrong. Then its ok.
    Primitive people performing animal sacrifices to a Pagan god are immoral, not because ritual animal sacrifices are immoral, but because worshiping a pagan god is. Pagans who worship false gods and have never heard of Jesus or Yahweh are immoral. Hor disagrees, and feels that anyone who judges more primitive cultures is arrogant and needs to be taken down a peg.
    Messy says that rapists and their victims should be forced to marry, and that this is a “good law”. Hor is silent. Gay people in a loving relationship however, should never be allowed to marry. This is because marriage is a sacred union and two adults in a loving relationship who cannot conceive children should not be allowed to marry. It is not clear what happens if a man rapes another man, because it would seem to indicate that marriage is required in that situation.
    Hor is once again silent, although has spoken out in the past against gay marriage. His absolute position on rapists marry their victims is unclear.
    Hor indicates that killing christians with bibles is clearly immoral, but killing people who work on Sunday, are disrespectful to their parents, who plant their fields with more than one crop, and various others should be killed.
    Hor abhors some supposed “laws” in Russia that prescribes persecution of gays, but has no comment on the persecution of gays prescribed by Yahweh in the bible.
    Lets see, did I miss anything? I’m sure I did, but there is just so much.

  715. on 29 Nov 2013 at 7:44 pm 715.Marino said …

    “Thank you for the honesty Marino. Most atheists do use the Judeo-Christian moral authority”

    No problem. Most do adopt a code or become a barbarian. Being Agnostic does not require me to hate all religion. Religion has bad apples but the good that comes from it imho far out weighs the bad. If we throw out everything with bad apples, nothing would be left.

  716. on 29 Nov 2013 at 9:10 pm 716.alex said …

    “Most do adopt a code or become a barbarian.”

    a code or the jesus morality, which one is it? the ancient chinese, greeks, romans, scandinavians, native americans are barbarians?

    the so called code is shit. no matter how you spin it, it doesn’t exist. along with the imaginary god, it a fictional sidebar.

    read hor’s posts and see for yourself. i will now write a wwgha search that will list all postings by individuals.

    remember folks, hor, martin, astrophysic, shithead, etc are all the same person.

  717. on 30 Nov 2013 at 12:08 am 717.the messenger said …

    710.Dippy, that is a good law.

    If a man rapes a woman, he must marry her and pay her. This law is suppose to punish the man for raping the woman, and to help the woman with financial situations.

    By marrying the woman, he is bound to her and he must spend the rest of his life serving the woman he raped, and trying to atone for his actions towards her.

    Tell me, what is bad about this law?

  718. on 30 Nov 2013 at 12:28 am 718.the messenger said …

    745.alex, the moral code(aka, the law of GOD) is located in the torah and in the new testament.

  719. on 30 Nov 2013 at 12:46 am 719.the messenger said …

    741.Dippy, how high are you?

    Children so not know the difference between good or bad. I have seen children take stuff that does not belong to them, and they did not stop until someone told them that it was bad.

  720. on 30 Nov 2013 at 12:49 am 720.alex said …

    “the moral code(aka, the law of GOD) is located in the torah and in the new testament.”

    break it down, then, you dumb, self appointed motherfucker. a checklist would be perfect.

    after you’re done, let’s hand it out to all the real xtians in here and we’ll give them a test. while taking the test, they’ll use your checklist and use it as a guide.

    if it’s the word of god and is absolute, all you motherfuckers should have the same exact answers, yes?

    get the fuck outta here, you dumb bitch. what is wrong with raping and woman and paying her off and marrying her? you stupid, stupid fuck.

    go ahead, paste the checklist here.

  721. on 30 Nov 2013 at 12:53 am 721.alex said …

    messenger, do you live in a first world country? i’m thinking you’re a bedouin, sitting on a camel, parked in a mcdonald’s somewhere in tripoli?

  722. on 30 Nov 2013 at 1:14 am 722.the hor said …

    “Religion has bad apples but the good that comes from it imho far out weighs the bad.”

    Absolutely Marino. Guys like Alex and Dippy would have you believe all the worlds problems are by Christians. They ignore all the good they do throughout the world.

    I apologize for Alex. He just attacks and curses at everyone here. I do pity the little fella.

  723. on 30 Nov 2013 at 1:31 am 723.the messenger said …

    743.Dippy, in many of my past comments I provided many ways to protect people from burglars, natzis, and rapist without lying.

    There is never a good reason to lie.

  724. on 30 Nov 2013 at 1:36 am 724.the messenger said …

    749.alex, if they are all educated Catholics, then all of our answers would be the same.

  725. on 30 Nov 2013 at 2:23 am 725.alex said …

    ” if they are all educated Catholics, then all of our answers would be the same.”

    do it then. paste the morality checklist and show the world what an excellent rape tolerating xtian you are!

  726. on 30 Nov 2013 at 2:38 am 726.alex said …

    “I apologize for Alex. He just attacks and curses at everyone here.”

    get the fuck outta here, old fella. i curse and call out bullshitters.

    you, on the other hand, disgustingly agree with messenger’s ridiculous position on rape. no apologies needed for you motherfuckers. an ass-kicking maybe.

    for those that missed it, here’s messenger’s message with hor’s complicitness:

    “If a man rapes a woman, he must marry her and pay her. This law is suppose to punish the man for raping the woman, and to help the woman with financial situations.”

    you understand the cursing and shit?

  727. on 30 Nov 2013 at 3:51 am 727.Dippy said …

    “. Guys like Alex and Dippy would have you believe all the worlds problems are by Christians. They ignore all the good they do throughout the world.”

    Show us where even once I have said this. Since you can’t. (Because I never have), once again, that makes you a liar. You must continually lie in order to try and distract attention from the fact that you never answer questions and never provide evidence for your god.

    Do you Agree with messenger that your absolute moral code requires that rape victims marry their rapists?

    Oh yeah, I forgot to ask you:
    It seems you agree that the “poor tribal people” would not be considered immoral for sacrificing animals to their god in order to insure (in their minds) their survival, but the teenagers in Ohio would be immoral for sacrificing animals in order to try and get drugs and booze?
    Same action… different moral judgement. How does that fit into your concept of absolute morality? In an absolute morality, animal sacrifice must be either right all the time, or wrong all the time. According to Hor, the morality of the act “does not depend”.
    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. What’s that… birds chirping? What’s that? It used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?
    This is the NINTH time I’ve asked you this. Why are you refusing to answer these question?

  728. on 30 Nov 2013 at 4:07 am 728.the messenger said …

    725.alex, I am not rape tolerant, I believe in punishing the rapists and making them serve the people they raped.

    It would take me a few days to post an entire checklist of all the moral laws in the bible. I do not have the time.

    If you wish to judge the catholic moral laws, go to church.

  729. on 30 Nov 2013 at 4:10 am 729.the messenger said …

    756.Dippy, read some of alex’s comments and you will see how hateful and phobic he is of jews and christians.

    Alex is a deranged, idiotic, bigot towards jews and christians.

    He creates absurd stereotypes and lies about jews and christians.

    He is a mad man.

  730. on 30 Nov 2013 at 4:59 am 730.Dippy said …

    Messy, you are actually endorsing a bible passage that says that a woman should marry the person who raped her, a violation of unimaginable brutality.
    That is the most offensive, insane, and totally fucked up ideas anyone has ever heard.
    The fact that you don’t even realize how abhor ant and repulsive your thought process is is 100% proof that your religous brainwashing has caused you to be completely insane.
    There is simply nothing more to say to you. You are repugnant.

  731. on 30 Nov 2013 at 5:19 am 731.the messenger said …

    730.Dippy, if a man rapes a woman, he must bind himself to her and serve her for the rest of his life. He must bind himself to her through marrage, protect her, serve her, and spend the rest of his life trying to atone for raping her.

    I endorse it because it forces the rapist to spend the rest of his life serving, protecting, and financially supporting the woman he raped. It helps the woman he wronged, and it punishes the rapist. It is a good law.

  732. on 30 Nov 2013 at 5:37 am 732.Dippy said …

    Sure messy… Whatever you say.

  733. on 30 Nov 2013 at 6:02 am 733.Angus and Alexis said …

    BAHAHAHAH…

    Messenger, you know that in the biblical times, women were nothing more than property, and thus if a man raped a women, she was forced to be with HIM, and do what HE says, not the other way around.

  734. on 30 Nov 2013 at 5:27 pm 734.the messenger said …

    733.Angus and Alexis, are you drunk?

    The law clearly states in 1 Corinthians 7:3-4 that husbands and wives have equal power over each other and must serve each other.

    They are equal.

    Women were not considered as property during the biblical times, they were treated with honor and respect. Why else would the men do all of the hard manual labor? They did it so the women would not have to.

  735. on 30 Nov 2013 at 5:33 pm 735.the messenger said …

    762.Angus and Alexis, the rapist is forced to marry that woman that he raped, so that he will serve her and provide for her for the rest of his life on earth.

    Both husband and wife have equal power in a marrage (Corinthians 7:3-4) and they must serve each other. It is not a one sided serving situation, a man serve his wife, and a wife serve her husband.

    They are equal.

    P.S., stop smoking crack.

  736. on 30 Nov 2013 at 5:56 pm 736.Dippy said …

    “It is not a one sided serving situation, a man serve his wife, and a wife serve her husband.”

    You mean her rapist?

  737. on 30 Nov 2013 at 11:14 pm 737.the messenger said …

    736.Dippy, yes the rapist. The rapist is forced to marry the woman he raped, thus according to Corinthians 7:3-4, the rapist is forced to support, serve, and provide for his wife(the woman he raped) for the rest of his life.

  738. on 30 Nov 2013 at 11:32 pm 738.the messenger said …

    736.Dippy, the husband(the rapist) will have the most trouble in serving his spouse, due to the fact that men (during the biblical times and alot in modern times) do most of the hard physical labor. The husband (the rapist) must work twice as hard as he use to, due to the fact that he will have to earn extra money to provide for himself and his new wife(the woman that was raped).

    The law makes the rapist serve, provide and work hard for the woman he raped. This is a good law.

    P.S., 1 Corinthians 7 commands that both of them must fulfill their duties as spouses, thus forcing the husband(rapist) to support his wife(woman that was raped) for the rest of his life.

  739. on 01 Dec 2013 at 12:57 am 739.Dippy said …

    Ok sure messy….. On behalf of women everywhere, let’s give thanks to god that you aren’t in charge! Lol.

    #crazyassmotherfucker

  740. on 01 Dec 2013 at 1:19 am 740.Dippy said …

    Hey Hor,
    Messenger says your absolute moral code requires that women should be forced to marry their rapists, and this is a good thing.
    Do you agree?
    Just curious what your interpretation of the absolute code of morality is.

  741. on 01 Dec 2013 at 2:07 am 741.Angus and Alexis said …

    *laughter*

    Messenger, do you even KNOW how women were treated back in the 0-100 AD times?

    They were not treated well at all, they were property, nothing more than baggage that men could buy by trading cattle.

    Stop posting utter crap, and read some history books.

  742. on 01 Dec 2013 at 3:43 am 742.Suliman said …

    “Messenger, do you even KNOW how women were treated back in the 0-100 AD times?”

    You really need to go back that far? You know how they are treated today???

    That’s great but the OT Israeli law was written 4000BC. You are thousands of years off.

    But Jesus during his time 3BC- 30AD was a great defender of woman and gave them great dignity. Nations with high number of Christians have great respect for woman.

  743. on 01 Dec 2013 at 4:25 am 743.alex said …

    “But Jesus during his time 3BC- 30AD was a great defender of woman…”

    then spit it out. say the old testament is total bullshit; so much for creationism. but you won’t, because the xtian m.o. is biblical cherry picking. everything else is a euphemism, except you morons can’t even agree which ones are. of course you motherfuckers like to stick together. you point out the date of the old testament, but you ignore and implicitly agree with the caveman messenger.

    treating women with great dignity requires jesus teachings? says who? you think all societies that treat women well subscribe to your new testament bullshit?

    messenger, you’re a dangerous, deluded piece of shit. stay anonymous and in the shadows. if you go public, you’d probably get your ass kicked.

  744. on 01 Dec 2013 at 5:18 am 744.Angus and Alexis said …

    “But Jesus during his time 3BC- 30AD was a great defender of woman and gave them great dignity.”

    Source or it didn’t happen.

    “Nations with high number of Christians have great respect for woman.”

    Yes, that is totally why women cannot be high ranking Christians (priests, pope, etc.) Discrimination FTW.

    That being said, i am for gender equality, and both genders today need some fixes.

    To add, you state ISRAELI law, how is this relevant?

    We are talking about the Christ times, and how women are forced to marry their rapists.

  745. on 01 Dec 2013 at 4:10 pm 745.Dippy said …

    742.Suliman said …
    “That’s great but the OT Israeli law was written 4000BC. You are thousands of years off.

    But Jesus during his time 3BC- 30AD was a great defender of woman and gave them great dignity.”

    Suliman brings up an interesting point. It seems tha he is saying that the morality prescribed by almighty god somehow CHANGED between the time of the old testament and the time of Jesus. That things that god once deemed moral, and indeed required to the point of being put down into LAWS for his chosen people to follow… things like owning and punishing slaves, genocide and the killing of pregnant women and children, stoning to death people for various offenses, like being disrespectful to one’s parents, working on the Sabbath, being gay, selling your daughters into slavery, women being forbidden from holding authority over men, being forbidden from speaking in church, being forced to marry their rapists, even being killed for being raped… all of these things that god once endorsed, Suliman seems to be indicating that that idea of morality somehow evolved into something completely different.
    Was god wrong, and then he realized it and changed his mind? How can that be, since he is omniscient and would have known that those OT ideas would be considered abhorrent one day?
    It would seem that Suliman is implying that god is some kind of complete fuck-up. How can god make a mistake?

  746. on 01 Dec 2013 at 7:42 pm 746.According to the “hor” said …

    “It seems tha he is saying that the morality prescribed by almighty god somehow CHANGED”

    Wait, are you saying some things are moral and some things are immoral? Lets test it.

    What are the list of things that are moral?

    What are the list of things that are immoral?

    What is your source?

    Then we can test and see if God is immoral.

    LOL, I though all things to atheist were just relative where nothing is actually immoral. Maybe now we can make some progress. I got the popcorn for everyone!

  747. on 01 Dec 2013 at 8:00 pm 747.alex said …

    “Wait, are you saying some things are moral and some things are immoral? Lets test it.
    What are the list of things that are moral?
    What are the list of things that are immoral?”

    there you go, y’all.

    atheists say that the xtian/muslim god is bullshit. the motherfucker hor comes back and says: wait, some things are bullshit and some things are not. what are the list of things that are bullshit? what are the list of things that are not?

    you got nothing, you dumb motherfucker. atheists don’t believe your shit and you resort to turning the shit around and asking it. go fuck yourself.

  748. on 01 Dec 2013 at 8:05 pm 748.Dippy said …

    “LOL, I though all things to atheist were just relative where nothing is actually immoral.”

    Yes, we know what you “thought”. That’s not what anyone said. LOL indeed. Why is it you have this compulsive need to lie about what others say? It seems to be a serious personality disorder for you. If you would actually honestly address the issues as they are presented, perhaps people would have a bit more respect for you. But it seems you are simply not capable of holding an honest or earnest discussion.

    As to the latest point, which you clearly missed: I am only applying the code of absolute morality YOU claim is handed down by god. I am simply comparing behaviors that USED to be ok… according the the bible, with what people NOW CLAIM to be not ok… according the the bible. Surely you don’t suggest that any current christian theology endorses the idea of owning and beating slaves, do you? What changed? Why is what used to be absolutely moral and in keeping with the code, no longer absolutely moral? Was god wrong, or did the actual morality change somehow?

    While you are pondering this problem, you forgot to tell us if you agree with your fellow theist Messenger that women should be forced to marry their rapists and serve them as a dutiful and equal wife in the holy institution of marriage? Messy says this is a very good law. What do you say? Or more specifically, what does your absolute moral code say about that?

    And also, I’m guessing you overlooked this:
    It seems you agree that the “poor tribal people” would not be considered immoral for sacrificing animals to their god in order to insure (in their minds) their survival, but the teenagers in Ohio would be immoral for sacrificing animals in order to try and get drugs and booze?
    Same action… different moral judgement. How does that fit into your concept of absolute morality? In an absolute morality, animal sacrifice must be either right all the time, or wrong all the time. According to Hor, the morality of the act “does not depend”.

    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. Did it used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?
    This is the 10th time I’ve asked you this. Why are you refusing to answer these question?

  749. on 01 Dec 2013 at 8:15 pm 749.the messenger said …

    740.Dippy, you misunderstand the law.

    The law commands that if a man rapes a woman, he is forced to bind himself to the woman he raped(through marrage) so he will be required to serve and support her for the rest of his life.

  750. on 01 Dec 2013 at 8:28 pm 750.Dippy said …

    I understand completely.
    You seem to forget that in order for the rapists to marry his victim, the victim must also marry the rapist.

    “It is not a one sided serving situation, a man serve his wife, and a wife serve her husband.”
    “1 Corinthians 7 commands that both of them must fulfill their duties as spouses….”

    Which also means that a woman who was brutally raped must spend the rest of her life married to the animal that assaulted her, and be a faithful and obedient wife. The only reason that I can think of as to why you do not see how totally fucked up that is, is because you are completely insane. There is no other possible explanation.

  751. on 01 Dec 2013 at 9:25 pm 751.alex said …

    the dumbass messenger, desperately trying to stay relevant even as tries in vain to quote his bullshit bible.

    does anybody recall a single law anywhere that even remotely resemble his beloved rape shit? what a fucking joke.

    the moral proof is not. the bible is bullshit. prayers/miracles are statistically neutral.

    why don’t you xtian/muslim/religious fuckers just find comfort in the atheist hell destination and just shut the fuck up. we’ll all get along better. of course, you’ll never see that. your god won’t allow it. you must persevere in the name of your hapless god.

  752. on 01 Dec 2013 at 9:29 pm 752.the hor said …

    ” I am only applying the code of absolute morality YOU claim is handed down by god.”

    Oh!, so you don’t believe the things God did were immoral?

    Ok……some atheists rant about God in that way. Good to see you do not.

    ;)

  753. on 01 Dec 2013 at 9:36 pm 753.alex said …

    “Oh!, so you don’t believe the things God did were immoral?”

    this is not god proof. if i posit that santa claus is immoral for ignoring poor kids, does it prove santa?

    you’re a confirmed, cowardly asshole. go fuck yourself.

  754. on 01 Dec 2013 at 9:56 pm 754.Dippy said …

    “Oh!, so you don’t believe the things God did were immoral?”

    hahahahaha… how clueless can one human be?
    I don’t believe the ‘things god did” were immoral because there is no god and he didn’t “do” anything.

    You, on the other hand, are claiming that your god has provided an absolute moral law that is perfect and unchanging. Yet, the stories told in your magical book clearly show that this moral law has changed over time… evolved, if you will, as human societies have changed.
    For example, Messy demonstrates that the bible says it is moral, required in fact, that a woman be forced to marry her rapist and live as his wife in the holy state of matrimony. This is, in his words “a good law.”

    I take it you agree? If not, please show us the basis that you make that conclusion.
    Oh… by the way:

    It seems you agree that the “poor tribal people” would not be considered immoral for sacrificing animals to their god in order to insure (in their minds) their survival, but the teenagers in Ohio would be immoral for sacrificing animals in order to try and get drugs and booze?
    Same action… different moral judgement. How does that fit into your concept of absolute morality? In an absolute morality, animal sacrifice must be either right all the time, or wrong all the time. According to Hor, the morality of the act “does not depend”.

    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. Did it used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?
    This is the 11th time I’ve asked you this. Why are you refusing to answer these question?

  755. on 01 Dec 2013 at 11:16 pm 755.Anonymous said …

    the hor

    What are the list of things that are moral?

    What are the list of things that are immoral?

    What is your source?

    Use science, science guy. Morality is whats acceptable in the day. And at points in history, it’s ALL been acceptable behaviour – no matter the action(s).

    Consider that humans have existed for 250,000+ years. Religion (your flavour anyway) was created about 2000 years ago. Without a Jesus we were somehow able to create enough morals and laws to enable the creation of your religion. So we have 248,000 years without Jesus-freaks and 2000 years with your boy on board. How could we possibly ever have had morals? Did morality start with the bible?

  756. on 01 Dec 2013 at 11:21 pm 756.Dippy said …

    Is anyone else curious why Hor will not answer any of the direct questions about his absolute morality that have been presented to him here, almost a dozen times now?

    Could it be that he KNOWS full well that if he answers, his answers can only show his claim of an absolute morality to be nothing but vaporware. If he actually thought his claim was defendable, he would do it, but instead he chooses to ignore the questions he cannot answer.

    He gives new meaning to the definition I like best of faith. “Faith is believing stuff you know ain’t true.”

  757. on 02 Dec 2013 at 1:43 am 757.alex said …

    “Consider that humans have existed for 250,000+ years.”

    not according to the morons. dating techniques are suspect but they’ll gladly take a blood tranfusion using matching techniques brought to you by?

    dna programmer, camaro on the beach, ocean swimming, oh my! messenger, go run for office! go! go! go!

  758. on 02 Dec 2013 at 2:32 am 758.Science Guy said …

    “Use science, science guy. Morality is whats acceptable in the day.”

    Freddie-Mouse! Welcome Back!

    Lets examine your claim. What is acceptable today?

    Death to Christians with a Bible in N Korea

    Persecution of Gay in Russia. (Thats for Dippy)

    Death to Christians caught gathering as a Church

    How about the killing of babies 50% born?

    Jihad according to numerous Muslim nations.

    So all these acts are moral Freddie-Mouse because they are accepted today? If it is all acceptable why do atheist constantly whine?

    To continue with Dippy’s claims, then how can God be immoral???

    Good Luck!

  759. on 02 Dec 2013 at 6:55 am 759.Angus and Alexis said …

    *smashes head on desk*

    Hor, it also depends on location, traditions, etc, etc.

  760. on 02 Dec 2013 at 2:24 pm 760.Anonymous said …

    Angus, gets it. And the hor continues on with his head firmly wedged between his cheeks.

    The point is, science guy (now there’s an oxymoron), that your bible is NOT an absolute authority and, therefore, does not get to solely decide on our morals. Maybe it’s the go to guide for yourself. Maybe you want to keep slaves and beat your submissive, cowering wench. Good for you!!!

    Hitler used and was backed by the Catholic church. How’d that work out?

  761. on 02 Dec 2013 at 4:03 pm 761.Dippy said …

    So, Hor is back with a fresh pair of socks and reverts to his tactic of demanding simplistic answers from people while refusing to answer any questions about his own claim of an “absolute” morality.

    Science Guy/Hor/A… It seems you agree that the “poor tribal people” would not be considered immoral for sacrificing animals to their god in order to insure (in their minds) their survival, but the teenagers in Ohio would be immoral for sacrificing animals in order to try and get drugs and booze?
    Same action… different moral judgement. How does that fit into your concept of absolute morality? In an absolute morality, animal sacrifice must be either right all the time, or wrong all the time. According to Hor, the morality of the act “does not depend”.

    I also noticed you quickly ran away from your gay persecution argument. Why is that? Please tell us exactly what your absolute moral code from the bible says about how we should treat gays. Did it used to be ok to stone homosexuals to death, but that idea changed??? How did that happen Hor? Is your definition of absolute kind of like Messy’s definition of “eternal”?
    This is the 12th time I’ve asked you this. Why are you refusing to answer these question?

    Also, Messy demonstrates that the bible says it is moral, required in fact, that a woman be forced to marry her rapist and live as his wife in the holy state of matrimony. This is, in his words “a good law”, and most definitely has biblical support.

    I take it you agree? If not, please show us the basis that you make that conclusion.

  762. on 02 Dec 2013 at 4:34 pm 762.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “The point is, science guy”

    Freddie -Mouse let me lay out what the point is. The point is you cannot differentiate between moral and immoral because in your world all things are moral…..yet……you make judgments about God and others being immoral (until you get challenged). Dippy and you do it regularly, right above this point as a point of reference.

    Same thing Dawkins does in “The Dawkins Delusion”.

    So which is it? Are some things immoral or not? If so why?

    Yes this is A.hor/alpga/beta/charlie/etc to keep you focused…. Duh! lol!!!!!

  763. on 02 Dec 2013 at 6:01 pm 763.Dippy said …

    “The point is you cannot differentiate between moral and immoral because in your world all things are moral…..”

    Show us where anyone here has said that “all things are moral.” Since you can’t, once again you open with a lie.

    “yet……you make judgments about God and others being immoral (until you get challenged). Dippy and you do it regularly, right above this point as a point of reference.”

    The post above that you have ignored a dozen times now makes absolutely no judgement about morality. It simply asks YOU to declare whether specific things are moral or immoral according to your absolute code of morality, something you steadfastly refuse to do… why?

    You said flat out the the morality or immorality of any given behavior “does not depend.” So, having claimed that, we just want to see what actions your code deems moral or immoral. That should be easy for you.
    For example, tell us, yes or no, is it moral to force a rape victim to marry her rapist? That should be an easy one. It either is, or it is not. Messy says not only is it moral, it is a very good idea, sanctioned by god. What do you say?

  764. on 02 Dec 2013 at 6:48 pm 764.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Show us where anyone here has said that “all things are moral”

    Can make no other assumption. Asked by about several events in different cultures that none of you will declare is moral or immoral. Why?

    Killing Christians for owning a Bible immoral?

    Killing Jews for being Jews OK?

    Persecuting gays in Russia OK?

    Come on! You don’t have problems making moral judgments …..until now………lol!!!

    So which is it? Are some things immoral or not? If so why?

  765. on 02 Dec 2013 at 7:06 pm 765.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    Dip,

    Here is another scenario you can answer to get the ball rolling.

    “For example, tell us, yes or no, is it moral to force a rape victim to marry her rapist”

  766. on 02 Dec 2013 at 7:23 pm 766.Dippy said …

    Notice that Hor “Sckence Guy” [sic] has again dodged the question.
    Why?
    Simple, if he says “yes, forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist is a moral act.”, well, then he is clearly insane. If he says “no, it would be immoral for a rape victim to be forced to marry her rapist.” then he must explain why the bible clearly says this is what should happen. An un-winable situation. Same with all the other hypothetical situations he has been presented with. So he refuses to answer any of them because he KNOWS that his claim of an absolute morality is simply not true. But, like a true delusional theist, he will simply ignore the actual facts and continue to proclaim it is so.

    “Can make no other assumption. Asked by about several events in different cultures that none of you will declare is moral or immoral. Why?”

    Because in almost all of the situations, it would depend. Simple as that.

    “Killing Christians for owning a Bible immoral?”
    I would say that killing Christians simply for owning a bible would be immoral. Killing Christians who were owning a bible while shooting up an elementary school would be moral… see the difference? It depends.

    “Killing Jews for being Jews OK?”
    No, killing Jews for being Jews is not ok. Neither is lying to protect them from others who were trying to kill Jews for being Jews either… something your “absolute morality” forbids.

    “Persecuting gays in Russia OK?”
    “Persecution” is a word that implies punishment of the innocent. According to my sense of morality, that is not ok, but it would depend on what the gays were doing as to whether or not it would warrant punishment.

    But it is perfectly acceptable according to your biblical prescribed morality. Is preventing gays from being married “persecution”?
    Which method of determining morality do you think is superior?”

    There, I answered your questions fully… now will you answer mine?

    Is animal sacrifice immoral?

    Is it ever ok to tell a lie?

    Is it ever ok to murder someone?

    Is it moral to force a rape victim to marry her rapist?

    Is it ok to own slaves?

    Please reference the exact places in your absolute code of morality from which you derive these answers… and remember, “it depends” is NOT an acceptable answer for you.

  767. on 02 Dec 2013 at 7:50 pm 767.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “I would say that killing Christians simply for owning a bible would be immoral.”

    Why?

    “No, killing Jews for being Jews is not ok.”

    Why?

    “Is preventing gays from being married”persecution”?”

    Is preventing Freddie-Mouse from marrying his mom if they both agree persecution?

    I haven’t seen you argue for that right??…..

  768. on 02 Dec 2013 at 8:32 pm 768.Dippy said …

    Now now… I answered your questions… how about you man up, grown a pair, and answer the questions put to you before you demand more answers. YOU are the one claiming an absolute morality, not me. Why is this a problem for you?

  769. on 02 Dec 2013 at 8:49 pm 769.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “I answered your questions…”

    No, actually you did not. I clearly asked why which is the most important part…….now go borrow a ser and man up…..

    Why is it so hard for you to give a reason why such actions are wrong?

    (sigh….)

  770. on 02 Dec 2013 at 9:14 pm 770.Dippy said …

    So, that would be a “No” on your part.

    For someone with an absolute morality, you are very reluctant to reveal what it actuality says. Perhaps your bullshit is actually more obvious to you than you will admit? hahahaha… you are as transparent as glass… fraud.

    Your delusion is very deep rooted, surpassed only by your dishonesty.

    Is animal sacrifice immoral?

    Is it ever ok to tell a lie?

    Is it ever ok to murder someone?

    Is it moral to force a rape victim to marry her rapist?

    Is it ok to own slaves?

    Please reference the exact places in your absolute code of morality from which you derive these answers… and remember, “it depends” is NOT an acceptable answer for you.

  771. on 02 Dec 2013 at 9:56 pm 771.the messenger said …

    760.Anonymous, you liar. The catholic church never supported hitler.

    Most of the people that tried to assassinate hitler were Roman Catholics.

  772. on 02 Dec 2013 at 10:05 pm 772.the messenger said …

    799.Dippy, animal sacrifice is only moral if it is sacrificed to the one true GOD(The GOD of abraham).

    It is never ok to lie.

    Murder is never allowed.

    It is moral to force a rapist to bind himself(through marrage) to the person he raped. therefore he will be required to serve her and support her for the rest of his life. It is a punishment to the rapist, and a gift to the person he raped(because he is required to serve her for the rest of his life).

    Yes, only if you treat the slave well and let him/her go within a 6 year period.

    The laws tell us what to do in certain situations, therefore it does depend on the situation.

  773. on 02 Dec 2013 at 10:12 pm 773.the messenger said …

    790.Dippy, the man(rapist) is forced to bind himself(through marrage) to the woman(person he raped) so he will have to serve and support her for the rest of his life.

    What is bad about that?

  774. on 02 Dec 2013 at 10:15 pm 774.the messenger said …

    783.Dippy, the laws of the bible have never changed.

    I dare you to show me a single way that it changed.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    DO NOT BE A COWARD.
    DO NOT BE A COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  775. on 02 Dec 2013 at 11:06 pm 775.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    Aw……… another epic fail by Dip. He says certain actions are wrong…….but refuses to tell me why?

    Without a why, how can anything be immoral Dippy? Quite a pickle you have there, huh?

  776. on 02 Dec 2013 at 11:25 pm 776.Dippy said …

    I have told you why on many occasions, you are just too dim, or too willfully ignorant, to grasp the concept. Lol.
    You, on the other hand, refuse to even tell us which actions you think are right, and which are wrong. That is because you don’t have balls enough to even support your own claims. Thos is because you realize your claims are not only stupid, they are indefensible. Otherwise you would answer the questions posed to you. The fact that you refuse to do so tells us that even you realize your position is built entirely on bullshit and self delusion. It must be sad to be you, but let’s try again:
    Is animal sacrifice immoral?
    Is it ever ok to tell a lie?
    Is it ever ok to murder someone?
    Is it moral to force a rape victim to marry her rapist?
    Is it ok to own slaves?
    Please reference the exact places in your absolute code of morality from which you derive these answers… and remember, “it depends” is NOT an acceptable answer for you.

  777. on 02 Dec 2013 at 11:39 pm 777.Dippy said …

    And while you are thinking about what your absolute moral code instructs, let’s review what your theist friend messy says;
    on 02 Dec 2013 at 10:05 pm 772.the messenger said …
    799.Dippy, animal sacrifice is only moral if it is sacrificed to the one true GOD(The GOD of abraham).

    So animal sacrifice is ok if you are a Christian or Jew? I wonder why no current Christian or Jewish churches currently perform ritual animal sacrifices as prescribed in the bible then?
    It is never ok to lie.
    So, lying to save an innocent is forbidden, but butchering an innocent animal for no reason other that to please a gods bloodlust is perfectly ok?
    Murder is never allowed.
    Yet, he proudly proclaims that many faithful Catholics tried to murder Adolfo Hitler? WTF? I guess “never” in messy’s world doesn’t exactly mean “never”. Lol
    It is moral to force a rapist to bind himself(through marrage) to the person he raped. therefore he will be required to serve her and support her for the rest of his life. It is a punishment to the rapist, and a gift to the person he raped(because he is required to serve her for the rest of his life).
    Yes, raped women should be forced to marry their rapists and serve them as a wife, until death do they part…. Ok.

    Yes, only if you treat the slave well and let him/her go within a 6 year period.
    Ok, so slavery is now morally ok, with certain restriction.

    The laws tell us what to do in certain situations, therefore it does depend on the situation.

    So, the absolute morality provided by god almighty, actually depends on circumstances.

    Does Hor agree? Or has messy got it wrong? How do you know?

  778. on 03 Dec 2013 at 1:17 am 778.Science Guy said …

    “I have told you why on many occasions”

    So we now know lying is OK to cover embarrassment?

    lol!

    Sure Dippy! Let me know when you can figure out “Why” then maybe we can move on.

    sigh……..

  779. on 03 Dec 2013 at 1:56 am 779.the messenger said …

    806.Dippy, the jews would make animal sacrifices to GOD, but they do not have the proper place to do it. They can’t make them until they rebuild the temple.

    lying is never necessary. There is always a way to save people without lying.

    Are you drunk, I never said that Catholics tried to “murder” hitler. Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. It is completely lawful to kill hitler, because he was murdering innocent jews, and therefore it is completely lawful to kill hitler.

  780. on 03 Dec 2013 at 2:02 am 780.the messenger said …

    806.Dippy, are you stupid? answer is yes.

    I stated….

    (It is moral to FORCE THE RAPIST to bind himself(through marrage) to the person he raped. therefore he will be required to serve her and support her for the rest of his life. It is a punishment to the rapist, and a gift to the person he raped(because he is required to serve her for the rest of his life)

    You twisted my words, and said….

    (Yes, raped women should be forced to marry their rapists and serve them as a wife, until death do they part…. Ok.)

    The rapist must serve the woman he raped. Not the other way around. Why do you twist my words?

    Are you insaine

  781. on 03 Dec 2013 at 2:50 am 781.the messenger said …

    777.Dippy, the law tells us what to do in situations. It is absolute.

    When we enter a new situation we must consult the law, and do what it says. That is what I was trying to type when I said the following. (The laws tell us what to do in certain situations, therefore it does depend on the situation”.)

    I am sorry for wording it wrong.

  782. on 03 Dec 2013 at 7:03 am 782.Angus and Alexis said …

    “I stated….”

    I am going to end here.

    Messenger.
    Please get this through your skull.

    During.
    Biblical.
    Times.
    Women.
    Were.
    Slaves.
    To.
    Men.

    The bible was written during the same era, and forced the same things.

    Women, served their rapists.

  783. on 03 Dec 2013 at 4:23 pm 783.Dippy said …

    778.Science Guy said …
    “So we now know lying is OK to cover embarrassment?”

    Your lies are not covering your embarrassment silly Sckence man. We all see you for what you are, a troll of the worst order.
    Now, moving on… I think this is now the 13th time you have been asked direct questions which you have failed to answer. There is only one reason for you to refuse to answer them. You know your answers will show you to be the idiot we already know you are. So you avoid. You aren’t fooling anyone but yourself, and I can see how that is very embarrassing for you. But your lying is not avoiding that, it is only making you the laughing stock.

    Now, let’s try again:
    Lol.
    You refuse to even tell us which actions you think are right, and which are wrong. That is because you don’t have balls enough to even support your own claims. This is because you realize your claims are not only stupid, they are indefensible. Otherwise you would answer the questions posed to you. The fact that you refuse to do so tells us that even you realize your position is built entirely on bullshit and self delusion.

    Is animal sacrifice immoral?
    Messy says as long as you are butchering an animal to please Yahweh, it’s ok. Do you agree?

    Is it ever ok to tell a lie?
    We already know that you claim that it is never ok to lie, even if the lie results in great good.

    Is it ever ok to murder someone?
    Messy says “no”, intentionally killing someone is never ok, unless of course that person is bad, then it’s ok and not murder. Is this a fair statement of your absolute moral code. Is it ok to kill someone who does not share your morality?

    Is it moral to force a rape victim to marry her rapist?
    Messy says “yes”. A rape victim should be forced to marry her rapist.

    Is it ok to own slaves?
    Messy says “yes”. As long as you don’t beat them to the point that they cannot walk fter 3 days time, and only for a period of 6 years, then it is ok.

    Since you and he are referencing the same moral code handed down by god almighty, I am very interested to know if you agree with him. If not, please explain how you can both reference the same code of morality and draw different conclusions.
    Please reference the exact places in your absolute code of morality from which you derive your answers… and remember, “it depends” is NOT an acceptable answer for either of you.

  784. on 03 Dec 2013 at 4:29 pm 784.Dippy said …

    (Yes, raped women should be forced to marry their rapists and serve them as a wife, until death do they part…. Ok.)

    The rapist must serve the woman he raped. Not the other way around. Why do you twist my words?

    Didn’t you say:
    “It is not a one sided serving situation, a man serve his wife, and a wife serve her husband.”
    “1 Corinthians 7 commands that both of them must fulfill their duties as spouses….”

    What part of the idea that no woman would want to be married to the person who raped and brutalized her is so foreign to you? If you were a woman and a man assaulted and raped you, would you want to then be forced to spend the rest of your life married to him?
    How fucking stupid can you possibly be?

  785. on 03 Dec 2013 at 5:47 pm 785.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    So sad. We had once atheist who cane to the thread and could tell us exactly why he believed lying, murder, etc was immoral.

    Dippy lies to us all by claiming he has given us the “why” ( lol, we all know better).

    His “why” is this. He determines when it is OK to lie, murder, steal etc. We who might be in his path must trust that his personal morality doesn’t include murdering Christians caught with a Bible, stealing from you or lying on his taxes. Nothing is immoral so everyone’s personal opinion is equal even if they are Stalin.

    That is how it works in Dippy’s world.

  786. on 03 Dec 2013 at 7:43 pm 786.Anonymous said …

    the hor

    Nothing is immoral

    Ask Benny Hinn and other healers. Benny’s fleecing the gullible jesus-freaks for all they’re worth. And he’s using christianity to do it!!!

    Your problem is proving Absolute Morality. Where is it? That’s right, you’ve got NOTHING.
    All you’ve got is: ” If you don’t behave then your eternity is crispy”. lol!! What a loser.

  787. on 03 Dec 2013 at 8:48 pm 787.the messenger said …

    813.Dippy, I was simply acknowledging the fact that you continuously left out the part about men serving their husbands.

    Instead of stating the full situation, you focused only on the fact that the wife serves her husband, and left out the part about men serving their wives as well.

    You attempted to deceive everyone into thinking that the wife was the only one that served.

  788. on 03 Dec 2013 at 9:21 pm 788.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    Even Freddie-Mouse cannot defend the so-called atheist morality. They see the HUGE problem but have no answer. Contradiction after contradiction…….sigh….

  789. on 03 Dec 2013 at 9:41 pm 789.Dippy said …

    The only contradiction is that you claim there is an absolute morality but cannot even tell us what it says!
    LOL… women being forced to marry their rapists, owning slaves for 6 years, ritually slaughtering animals, assassinations, murdering homosexuals… all are ok according to your moral code.
    You claim lying is never ok, but you come here and lie constantly. There is no “atheist moral code”. LOL, you are clueless. You know full well your absolute moral code does not exist, yet clearly relative morality exists among humans and either other sentient non-human species… even those who have never heard of your god or your bible, and it evolves with social structure. Where does it come from? If it was given by a god, wouldn’t it be exactly the same for everyone? Wouldn’t it be eternal and unchanging? Yet we have a god given morality that allows slavery and forced marriages? Or does in not allow those thing, Mr. Sckence?

    The fact that you refuse to answer even the most basic questions about your absolute morality is proof that it exists in the same place as your god… your imagination. And you can’t even imagine up a perfect morality that actually works! LOL……….

  790. on 03 Dec 2013 at 9:44 pm 790.Dippy said …

    787.the messenger said …

    “813.Dippy, I was simply acknowledging the fact that you continuously left out the part about men serving their husbands.”

    Messenger, you are clearly insane. Tell you what… when you get ass raped by some dude, come back and tell us if you’d be ok with being married to him for the rest of your life so you can “serve” each other. LOL… what a complete fucking moron.

  791. on 03 Dec 2013 at 9:45 pm 791.Dippy said …

    He Messy… should children that get raped by their priests have to marry them too? Or does the law not apply to priests? hahahaha…..

  792. on 03 Dec 2013 at 10:21 pm 792.the messenger said …

    818.Dippy, Assassination are only allowed if it is to save lives, such as assassinating hitler.

    Murdering homosexuals is not allowed, according to the moral laws of the bible. Murdering anyone is also not allowed.

    Tell me, can you back up your “murdering homosexuals” claim with facts? Could you provide any evidence(a verse perhaps) to back up this claim?

    I am waiting for your response.

  793. on 03 Dec 2013 at 10:27 pm 793.the messenger said …

    819.Dippy, that law states, therefore, I would not have to marry anyone. You idiot.

  794. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:11 pm 794.the messenger said …

    819.Dippy, in comment 822 I posted before I was finished. My bad.

    819.Dippy, that law states,”man is caught raping a young woman” therefore, I would not have to marry anyone, because that law only applies to men that have raped women.

  795. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:19 pm 795.Dippy said …

    818.Dippy, Assassination are only allowed if it is to save lives, such as assassinating hitler.

    Really? How about assassinating Bush? He launched a war in Iraq on false premises that cost tens of thousands of lives? Who gets to decide who’s life can be forfeited and who’s cannot? Assassination is executing a duly elected leader of a sovereign nation without a trial or due process. It is most definitely murder, no question about it, don’t be naive.

    Murdering homosexuals is not allowed, according to the moral laws of the bible. Murdering anyone is also not allowed.

    Tell me, can you back up your “murdering homosexuals” claim with facts? Could you provide any evidence(a verse perhaps) to back up this claim?

    “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    Seriously, you want to go there? LOL

    Shall we list all the other sins that require the person to be put to death? Claiming to be a prophet or to speak for god is one of them… LOL.

    I know, I know, god didn’t really mean “death” when he said “death” he just meant “punished”… just like “eternal” doesn’t mean forever, and “absolute” means “depending on the circumstance”. Notice even the liar Hor/Ass/Crum won’t even defend your lunatic ravings….
    You give new meaning to the word “deluded”.

  796. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:21 pm 796.the messenger said …

    818.Dippy, sometimes slavery was necessary in order to survive.

    If a man lives in a poor country, and only makes enouph money to buy food for himself and one other person, would it be morally right to own a slave and therefore would not have to pay him, but would be able to support himself and his slave with food?

    If a man breaks his leg and can’t go to work, he will get replaced at his job and he will go into poverty and would not be able to support his kids with food. Would it be alright if this man bought a slave and made him go to work? He would be able to feed his kids and the slave, but if he payed the slave and made him a servant, he would not have enouph money to purchase food for himself and his kids.

    Answer as soon as possible, If you can come up with an answer.

  797. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:30 pm 797.Dippy said …

    First:
    “assassinate
    verb
    murder (an important person) in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons.”

    “796.the messenger said …
    818.Dippy, sometimes slavery was necessary in order to survive.”

    Ok… then what you are saying is that it is not always immoral? Would that be accurate, Messy?

    Now, you have already said that it is not in any way immoral to force a woman to marry the person who raped her… but you didn’t answer if that rule applies to other things. Should a little girl be forced to marry her priest if he rapes her? How about if he doesn’t actually rape her, but sexually molests her? Should he still have to marry her… and is that right away, or does he have to wait until she reaches legal age?
    How about if it isn’t rape, but some other grievous assault. What if a man say, sets a woman on fire, and she lives, but is badly burned? Would he still be forced to marry her? What if he thought she was a witch? Would it be ok to burn her then? So many questions…..

  798. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:30 pm 798.the messenger said …

    824.Dippy, bush is a hero. He helped overthrow a evil dictator that murdered thousands of his own people with chemical weapons. Iraqis were praising the Americans for saving them.

    824.Dippy, if the assasination is in the defense of a human life, it is not considered murder, it is considered a act of war.

    Killing osama bin laden did not involve a trial, yet it is not considered murder, due to the fact that assasinating osama actually saved lives.

  799. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:34 pm 799.Dippy said …

    “If a man breaks his leg and can’t go to work, he will get replaced at his job and he will go into poverty and would not be able to support his kids with food. Would it be alright if this man bought a slave and made him go to work? He would be able to feed his kids and the slave..”

    oh my fucking god!!!

    So, if I break my leg tomorrow I can morally go and BUY another human being and force him to work for me?

    Hor… do you see why rational people are afraid of religious nutcases forcing their insane beliefs on the rest of us? Seriously?

  800. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:34 pm 800.the messenger said …

    826.Dippy, the bible recognizes that sometime slavery is needed during a situation that involves providing for one’s family, or one’s life.

    So, yes, sometimes slavery is immoral, and it is moral.

  801. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:38 pm 801.the messenger said …

    828.Dippy, would you just let your self and your kids starve to death? Where is the logic in that?

    If you could not provide for your kids, would it be morally ok to buy a slave and force him/her to do it for you?

  802. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:43 pm 802.the messenger said …

    828.Dippy, are you saying that it is morally right to let your kids and your self starve to death?

    If you had a slave, you could force him/her to earn money for you, thus saving your kids from starving to death.

    Would it be morally right to let your kids starve to death? No it wouldn’t.

  803. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:43 pm 803.Dippy said …

    Hor… what do you have to say about this?
    Is Messy correct? Is this what the absolute god given morality of the bible says?

    “826.Dippy, the bible recognizes that sometime slavery is needed during a situation that involves providing for one’s family, or one’s life.
    So, yes, sometimes slavery is immoral, and it is moral.”

  804. on 03 Dec 2013 at 11:47 pm 804.Dippy said …

    “828.Dippy, are you saying that it is morally right to let your kids and your self starve to death?

    If you had a slave, you could force him/her to earn money for you, thus saving your kids from starving to death.

    Would it be morally right to let your kids starve to death? No it wouldn’t.”

    Ok, then in that case would it be alright to steal from somebody, maybe rob a bank, to get money to feed them?

    Then, would it be ok to lie about it, so that I didn’t go to jail and be unable to feed my kids leading to their starvation?

    How about, would it be ok to buy a female slave and force her to have sex with men for money that I would keep to feed my wife and kids? What would be wrong with that?

    You are a fucking lunatic!

  805. on 04 Dec 2013 at 12:42 am 805.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Hor… what do you have to say about this?”

    Why won’t you tell us why nothing is immoral in your world?
    :)

  806. on 04 Dec 2013 at 1:44 am 806.Dippy said …

    Why won’t you tell us why nothing is immoral in your world?
    :)

    Why won’t you tell us why you need to compulsively lie about what I said.
    Show me where I have ever said ” nothing is immoral.”, or maybe you could force your slave to do it!

    Lol… Hor, with the superior absolute morality won’t even commit to saying that one human being owning another is moral or immoral.
    Seems your absolute moral code is about as useful as gun with no bullets.

  807. on 04 Dec 2013 at 1:51 am 807.the messenger said …

    804.Dippy, you should be called the question dodger.

    You dodged my question.

    I will ask the question again below.

    828.Dippy, are you saying that it is morally right to let your kids and your self starve to death?
    If you had a slave, you could force him/her to earn money for you, thus saving your kids from starving to death.
    Would it be morally right to let your kids starve to death?
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    Answer the question. Or are you a coward?

  808. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:02 am 808.the messenger said …

    833.Dippy, it would not be morally right to steal. If you take something from someone without their permission, you must pay them back so it won’t be considered theft.

    You would not have to lie about it. No jury would prosecute a man for trying to feed his kids.

    You cannot force anyone, even a slave, to do an action that breaks a law of the bible. Prostitution is prohibited the law of the bible.

  809. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:40 am 809.Anonymous said …

    Bahahahahah…

    Messenger, “owning” someone as a slave is not morally justified at all.

    Unless said person insists on being a slave, and you treat them as a “person” and not a piece of furniture, then it could be justified.

    Equally, if you steal, then pay it back, IT IS STILL THEFT.

    Messenger, read some bloody law books or something.

    The immoral nature of forcing a slave to work outweighs the immoral nature of letting your children starve. In a modern world, you can get government help, friends to help, or if needed orphan the children.

  810. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:43 am 810.Angus and Alexis said …

    My bad, the above post is mine.

  811. on 04 Dec 2013 at 3:42 am 811.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Messenger, “owning” someone as a slave is not morally justified at all.”

    Why?

    According to who?

    In parts of Africa and Latin America its Ok.

    Who gets to make the call?

  812. on 04 Dec 2013 at 4:06 am 812.Dippy said …

    In parts of Africa and Latin America its Ok.

    Is that so? Where?

  813. on 04 Dec 2013 at 6:11 am 813.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Africa and Latin America”

    Congratulations, but i live in Australia, here we do not like slaves.

    Please note that location judges what is right and wrong.

  814. on 04 Dec 2013 at 11:36 am 814.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Congratulations, but i live in Australia, here we do not like slaves.”

    Thank you! So you are saying the world needs to follow the morally of Australia? You guys are moral and whoever departs is wrong? Would that be it Agnus? We all need to enslave a tulip? Lol!!

    Slaves? Which version of slavery would you be speaking? Someone who willfully sells themself as a slave? Nations who force children to work in sweatshops or where one tribe enslaves members of another tribal group?

    So why are any of these versions wrong fellsrs?

  815. on 04 Dec 2013 at 11:59 am 815.Angus and Alexis said …

    They all have the same damned framework.
    Slavery is slavery.

    Secondly, what has tulpae got to do with this discussion? Do not derail please.

    And yes, some countries could do with our morals, and we could do with some of others morals.

    We tend to take care of our ecosystem, unlike china, USA etc, which have many extinct species.

    However, it should be enforced more…

  816. on 04 Dec 2013 at 12:55 pm 816.the messenger said …

    I am not defending the morallity of using slavey in modern times.

    I am simply stating the fact that durring biblical times it was nessecary inorder to provide for one’s family.

  817. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:03 pm 817.Dippy said …

    “I am not defending the morallity of using slavey in modern times.
    I am simply stating the fact that durring biblical times it was nessecary inorder to provide for one’s family.”

    Messy;
    But Hor says that morality is absolute and does not change with circumstances. Is he wrong about that?

    Hor:
    Messy lives by the same biblical moral code you do, yet he says owning another human is ok as long as it is necessary to provide for your family. Is that what your absolute morality actually says?

  818. on 04 Dec 2013 at 2:52 pm 818.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “he says owning another human is ok as long as it is necessary to provide for your family”

    OK why do you think it is wrong?

    But I was talking to you but you have issues with focus. Lets try again.

    Slaves? Which version of slavery would you be speaking? Someone who willfully sells themself as a slave? Nations who force children to work in sweatshops or where one tribe enslaves members of another tribal group?

    So why are any of these versions wrong?

    Tulip.

    “And yes, some countries could do with our morals, and we could do with some of others morals.

    Why? Who gets to decide. Why not free your tulip?

    So all slavery is the same regardless of time period? Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Whew! so young and uninformed!

  819. on 04 Dec 2013 at 6:05 pm 819.Dippy said …

    “he says owning another human is ok as long as it is necessary to provide for your family”

    OK why do you think it is wrong?

    I didn’t say it was right or wrong. I’m not the one with an absolute code of morality. I want to know what YOUR absolute moral code says so I can make a judgement as to whether is sounds like something a perfect, all knowing being would invent.

    Why won’t you ever ever, ever tell us what your absolute moral code actually SAYS? It seems it should be pretty clear cut. This is what I can’t understand why you and Messy seem to imply it’s a changing thing, sometimes, this, sometimes that. Just trying to understand… remember you are the one claiming it exists, it was given by a god, and it is not relative.
    Now you seem to be indicating it is indeed relative. No wonder you are confused.

  820. on 04 Dec 2013 at 7:07 pm 820.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “so I can make a judgement as to whether is sounds like something a perfect, all knowing being would invent.”

    You can”t tell me why something is immoral but you CAN tell me what an omnipotent deity would do?

    OMG!
    ROTFL
    Lol!!!!!

    That is rich! The arrogance of Dippy. Nothing is immoral for you Dip so how can you make any judgments about another MUCH less a deity?

    one of your funnier moments!

  821. on 04 Dec 2013 at 7:09 pm 821.Dippy said …

    818.Ths Sckence Guy said …
    “Slaves? Which version of slavery would you be speaking?”

    Ok, so now are you implying that the morality of one human owning another as property is dependant on what KIND of slavery?

    I’m talking specifically about the KIND of slavery Messy said was ok with Jesus. One human who cannot work for some reason or other, enslaving another human and forcing him to work in order to generate income to support the first human and his dependents.

    Messy says that’s perfectly ok. Is it?

    How about Messy’s morality that says Jesus wants women to be forced to marry their rapists? He said this is a very good law. Is it?

  822. on 04 Dec 2013 at 9:16 pm 822.the messenger said …

    838.Anonymous, the bible laws do not commend treating anyone(enemies, slaves, or anyone) like a piece of furniture.

    The bible says that we must love our neighbors(that includes slaves) as our selves. Therefore, slave owners must treat their slaves as human beings, must love them, respect them, and show kindness to them.

    Lastly, the bible says that a slaves can only be a slave for 6 years service, but if a master show love for his slaves(as mentioned in the 2nd paragraph) he might free them earlier than 6 years.

  823. on 04 Dec 2013 at 10:40 pm 823.Dippy said …

    Dippys asks:
    “Why won’t you ever ever, ever tell us what your absolute moral code actually SAYS? It seems it should be pretty clear cut.

    ASSman replies:
    “You can”t tell me why something is immoral but you CAN tell me what an omnipotent deity would do?”

    So, I have to assume you either don’t know what your absolute morality says, or for some reason your are afraid to tell us. The concept of me judging what an omnipotent deity “would do” is irrelevant. You won’t even commit to an moral question as basic as slavery or forced marriage to a rapist. How can we be convinced about your absolute moral code when you either don’t know what it says or are too embarrassed by it to tell us.

    LOL… at least Messy, as fucking crazy as he is, has enough ball to come out and say that slavery is ok, with certain conditions. Since that determination comes from the same source as you use, I take it you agree.
    No judgement, just want to know where you stand based on the absolute moral cvode you claim exists. Why won’t you tell us?

  824. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:00 am 824.Angus and Alexis said …

    So, messenger claims not all morals comes from god.

    Hor claims all morals come from god.

    And both claim slavery is correct, but messenger believes it is circumstantial…

    Where the heck did this love of slavery come from?

  825. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:08 am 825.Dippy said …

    “Where the heck did this love of slavery come from?”

    Religion at it’s core is basically about controlling people and forcing them to do what you want, so why does the endorsement of slavery from the same group seem odd?

    I’d love to see Messy preach his endorsement of slavery as a moral option to a Baptist group in Mississippi… that would play well, don’t you think? LOL

    I’d also love to see the reaction from the congregation at his own church when he publicly proclaims his “marry your rapist” idea….. That would be good.

  826. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:29 am 826.the messenger said …

    853.Angus and Alexis, I hold no “love” for slavery. I am simply acknowledging the fact that in some situations it is nessessary for providing for one’s family and self. The bible recognizes that.

    Slavery is moral in some circumstances, but only moral in the most nessessary of situations(such as saving one’s family from starving to death.).

    Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?

  827. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:31 am 827.the messenger said …

    854.Dippy, I hold no “love” for slavery. I am simply acknowledging the fact that in some situations it is nessessary for providing for one’s family and self. The bible recognizes that.
    Slavery is moral in some circumstances, but only moral in the most nessessary of situations(such as saving one’s family from starving to death.).
    Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?

  828. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:43 am 828.the messenger said …

    854.Dippy, Judaism and Catholicism are about choosing to love GOD, love all people, and follow GOD’s laws.

    Choosing, not controlling.

  829. on 05 Dec 2013 at 3:24 am 829.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Where the heck did this love of slavery come from?”

    I don’t know why atheists are so obsessed with slavery. They don’t even understand the various forms of slavery. They probably think all fruit is the sane too! Lol!!!

    Geez! They can’t even tell us why slavery is wrong! But they what to judge God. Judge God based on what Dip Stick?

  830. on 05 Dec 2013 at 3:42 am 830.alex said …

    “I don’t know why atheists are so obsessed with slavery.”

    i know it, right? why are they so obsessed with rapists marrying their victims? why are atheists so obsessed with what the stars are made of? why are the atheists so obsessed about muslims flying planes into buildings? why obsess about the gays marrying? and on, and on, and on. go fuck yourself, hor/martin.

    it’s the same old tired ass xtian bullshit. why don’t the atheists just shut up and let the xtian motherfuckers do whatever the hell they want?

    notice hor’s mojo. he doesn’t offer a single argument for his god. instead he points out countless irrelevant shit, which in his smug/fuckedUp mind is justification enough for his god’s fantasy existence. along the same lines, he flips it around and shifts the burden. “what’s moral to atheists?”, like it makes any difference. morals to most people is not handed out by some fucked up god, period.

    look, alex curses. therefore god exists. transitional fossils are not definitive, therefore god exists. no one knows what happened in the beginning, therefore goddit. bleh!

  831. on 05 Dec 2013 at 3:53 am 831.Dippy said …

    “Geez! They can’t even tell us why slavery is wrong! ”

    Is slavery wrong? Messy says no, it’s cool. Now you say certain “types” of slavery are ok. Hmmm. So the 13th amendment has it wrong?
    I’m not judging, I just want to know… But we are making progress. So far, ritual animal sacrafice is ok, just as long as your sacrifice is going to Yahweh. Forced marriage is ok, as long as the woman who is being forced to marry has been raped by by her future husband. Slavery is ok, but only certain “kinds” of slavery. But lying is never allowed, and murder is allowed only if the person you murder is “bad”.
    Are we getting the specifics of your absolute moral code? Keep them coming.
    Is working on the sabbath immoral, or does it depend?

    But they what to judge God. Judge God based on what Dip Stick?
    I’m not juding your imaginary god, shithead… I’m judging you, and so far you’re proving to be quite an imbecile. Your absolute code of morality sure has a lot of conditions.
    Lol.

  832. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:35 am 832.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Now you say certain “types” of slavery are ok.”

    I did? Wow, I am amazing!

    Why is slavery wrong Dip? Which type of slavery are you speaking of? Take your time…..get your thoughts together so you don’t sound so spastic……lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

  833. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:47 am 833.alex said …

    “Why is slavery wrong Dip”

    there you have it, folks. atheists say slavery is wrong. the dumbfuck, hor, turns it around and attempts to shift the burden.

    atheists say that the talking ass in the bible is bullshit. why not ask “why can’t the ass talk?”.

    your material is getting old, hor…. you got called out again and your respond with “I am amazing..”?

    pathetic, piece of shit, you are.

  834. on 05 Dec 2013 at 7:00 am 834.Angus and Alexis said …

    Wait a tick…

    Why the heck are we talking about slavery?

    Theists think it is good, so there is no point in trying to persuade them to stop it…

    Lets go to absolute morals, shall we?

    Is there an absolute moral that is given by god?

  835. on 05 Dec 2013 at 11:56 am 835.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Theists think it is good, so there is no point in trying to persuade them to stop it…”

    Why is it wrong Agnus? I am a man of science but equally a man of freedom. I now fear atheists will begin to enslave others…….even open up their gulags.

    can I ask you to stop killing baby girls in China! Don’t your friends believe that is wrong?

    Geez!!

  836. on 05 Dec 2013 at 12:26 pm 836.Angus and Alexis said …

    You must be effing kidding me…

    You are a man of freedom ehh?

    THEN YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY SLAVERY IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.

    If an atheist, any atheist, no matter how famous or influential went up to me and said, “you are my slave, work for me” i would immediately say “up yours” and probably sue the guy for threats.

  837. on 05 Dec 2013 at 1:08 pm 837.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    ” YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY SLAVERY IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.”

    Not me, why do you think it”s wrong. Yes we all know you would say no to being a slave. Thanks for the news flash! lol!!!

    Its so funny you guys can never tell us why anything is wrong! So much for culture! Lol!!!!!!!

  838. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:30 pm 838.Dippy said …

    “837.Ths Sckence Guy said …
    ” YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY SLAVERY IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.”
    Not me, why do you think it”s wrong?”

    hahahaha… So, it seems at last you have had a revelation. Your absolute moral code seems to be rather worthless. That certainly explains why you can never show it to us, or even tell us what it actually says.

  839. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:34 pm 839.Dippy said …

    But let’s review what the mysterious code says so far.

    Making no judgements about the morality or immorality of any of it, we just want to be clear about what it actually directs:

    Slaughtering animals as ritual sacrifice is morally wrong, unless the sacrifice is to the Jewish/Christian god, in which case it is acceptable.

    Causing the death of one individual to save multiple individuals can sometimes be ok. It simply requires you make a determination of who is more worthy to live, and then kill the others if needed to save the lives of the highest number of “good” people.
    Important footnote: Even though it is morally acceptable to kill one or more people in order to save a greater number of people (subject to their relative “goodness”) it is NEVER ok to LIE to save them. Lying is never allowed, ever.

    The majority of bibles currently in print are incorrect when they list the commandant “Thou Shalt Not Kill.” This should be written “Thou Shalt Not Murder”. Why almighty god allowed this typo to be so widespread is unclear. But for clarity, murder is never allowed, (except in certain circumstances) but killing is ok.

    Even though murder is never allowed, if it is a political or religious assassination of a person who is “bad”. Then it is not only ok, but admirable.

    continued… (spam filter is on a rampage today)

  840. on 05 Dec 2013 at 4:39 pm 840.Dippy said …

    what we have determined about Hor’s absolute moral code so far, continued:

    Slavery, the act of one human being owning another as property, is ok in some situations, but not in others. For example, if you are unable to provide for you family, it is ok to buy another human and force him to work to support your family.

    Also apparently slavery has different “types”. If a person voluntarily sells himself into slavery, that’s ok. Curiously, selling yourself into prostitution is not ok. It used to be ok in certain circumstances for fathers to sell their daughters into prostitution, but that was long ago. It is not clear if this is still morally ok or not. (clarification needed)

    The morality of slavery also seems to depend on the time in which it occurred. So, it was morally acceptable in biblical times to own slaves, but not now.
    This is absolute. For some reason though, Hor claims he does not know why slavery is wrong.

  841. on 05 Dec 2013 at 5:18 pm 841.Dippy said …

    When a man rapes a woman, as punishment, he should be forced to marry her. This is moral, because then he has to serve her for the rest of his life. The fact that a woman has to spend the rest of her life in marriage to a man who raped her is inconsequential, because after all, she’s a woman and should be grateful she now has a man to provide for her.

    Stealing is never allowed, however, if you steal something, and then give it back at a later date, that is not stealing.

  842. on 05 Dec 2013 at 5:58 pm 842.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “… So, it seems at last you have had a revelation.”

    lol!!!!! I have. You can’t tell me why any act you consider immoral is indeed immoral. You desperately try to hide the fact with multiple post nobody will read.

    There is the revelation! Lol!!!; how pathetic!

  843. on 05 Dec 2013 at 6:03 pm 843.Dippy said …

    ” You can’t tell me why any act you consider immoral is indeed immoral. You desperately try to hide the fact with multiple post nobody will read.”

    What acts do I consider immoral?
    You can’t even tell me if slavery is immoral and YOU are the one claiming to have an absolute code of morality given to you by an omnipotent deity!

    LOL indeed!!

    Seems your absolute code of morality is either non-existent or completely worthless… hahaha.

    Class dismissed.

  844. on 05 Dec 2013 at 6:43 pm 844.Dippy said …

    Notice the tactics of the completely self deluded Hor:

    1st he claims to have an absolute moral code handed to humanity from god himself that tells you in no uncertain terms what is moral and what is not. It is not relative and it is not conditional.

    When asked about specifics, he either refuses to respond, or responds with answers that sound an awful lot like the moral relativism he claims to despise.
    Slavery? Well, what TYPE of slavery? It depends on the time period, is it voluntary slavery? In other words, his absolute, non dependent answer is: “It depends.”

    When pressed for specifics on other topics, he tries to reverse the burden of proof. “You can’t even tell me WHY this is immoral…” Well, I’m not the one with the absolute moral code… that would be HIM. And note, I’m not even asking him WHY this or that is immoral. I’m just asking if it is or isn’t. Yet he WILL NOT answer.
    LOL indeed.
    So much for the superiority of his absolute code of morality.

  845. on 05 Dec 2013 at 6:53 pm 845.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “What acts do I consider immoral?”

    Yes, I stand corrected. In atheist mythology nothing is immoral……..but just for this particular topic. A rehash of the Dawkins fairytale. Rape, murder, genocide they are all OK if you have a reason. No wonder atheist regimes are responsible for murdering more people than any other group in history.

    Thanks for the reminder Dip!

    lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a mess

  846. on 05 Dec 2013 at 7:19 pm 846.Dippy said …

    And then comes the final act of desperation and irony, he must resort to the ONE thing he has been adamant about it his moral code… the absolute prohibition on lying… and despite that he says:

    “In atheist mythology nothing is immoral……..”

    Your humiliation is now complete. An embarrassment to Sckenctists and theists everywhere.

    Well done, well done!

  847. on 05 Dec 2013 at 9:59 pm 847.the messenger said …

    841.Dippy, I stealing is not allowed. But if you take(not steal) something without permission, and return it at a later date it is not considered as stealing.

  848. on 05 Dec 2013 at 10:10 pm 848.the messenger said …

    868.Dippy, I explained that the word “kill” is not a typo. Biblical scholars observed the text evidence within the bible and concluded that there are certain situations in which killing is allowed(killing animals is allowed, and killing humans in war and in self defense or defense of a human life is allowed). So according to the text evidence within the bible, the word “kill”(as used in exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5:17) means “murder”.

  849. on 05 Dec 2013 at 10:13 pm 849.the messenger said …

    853.Angus and Alexis, I hold no “love” for slavery.

    I am simply acknowledging the fact that in some situations it is nessessary for providing for one’s family and self. The bible recognizes that.
    Slavery is moral in some circumstances, but only moral in the most nessessary of situations(such as saving one’s family from starving to death.).




















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  850. on 06 Dec 2013 at 12:56 am 850.the messenger said …

    No offence, but I have asked this question twice already, and now I am asking it again and respectfully requesting that you answer it.

    Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?

  851. on 06 Dec 2013 at 2:31 am 851.Dippy said …

    If you are talking to me, I never said you loved slavery. Happy?
    Actually, you and I agree that the bible absolutely supports the idea that slavery is ok in some situations. No argument there from me. Glad to see you admit it.
    Now, my personal idea of what is moral, as well as the entire rest of the civilized world, is that the idea of slavery is morally abhorrent, and it is NEVER acceptable for one human being to own another as property. So I am very glad that most peoples sense of morality does not come from the bible. That is a good thing.
    I also agree with you that the morality described in the bible depends a great deal on the circumstances. There are some circumstances where a particular behavior is right, and some where it would be wrong. Hence, the morality in the bible is not absolute, but relative to the circumstance, and comes as much from within as from without. Unlike Hor would like us to believe, this does NOT MEAN, “do whatever you feel like” nor does it mean “nothing is immoral”.

    Moving on, despite your affection for redefining words, taking something that does not belong to you, without permission, is stealing. It matters not if you give the item back, you stole it from the person who rightfully owned it. Please stop insulting everyone with your idiotic attempts to change the meaning of the word.

    An all powerful god would certainly have known that at this point in human history, propel would have a different understanding of the word “kill” vs the word “murder”. If the bible is indeed gods sacred instructions for mankind, god would never have allowed the words to be changed to the point that the meaning of his basic commandments were unclear. In short, a omnipotent god would not require us to depend on “biblical experts” to explain to the rest of us what god meant to say. How silly and pompous of you to think that almighty god would allow his words to be altered.
    Now please go away. You are tiresome and obnoxious.

  852. on 06 Dec 2013 at 5:04 am 852.alex said …

    got bored during thanksgiving, so i coded this wwgha comment aggregator. it lists all the comments by a poster under each article. it’s raw and runs on my home computer. try it at http://goo.gl/bto5qi

    i’ll leave my computer on. it’ll prolly go on auto sleep after 2 hours.

  853. on 06 Dec 2013 at 7:06 am 853.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?”

    I admit that you never directly stated that you loved slavery.

    But as you agree with the concept, i simply cannot agree with your idea of “morals”.

  854. on 06 Dec 2013 at 12:44 pm 854.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?””

    Mess just one of their many many lies lies. For them, lying is OK because they had a good reason. What their view of good is, nobody really knows……….sad.

  855. on 06 Dec 2013 at 1:22 pm 855.alex said …

    “What their view of good is, nobody really knows……….sad.”

    you masquerading as Ths Sckence Guy, 40 Year Atheist, the Hor, Martin, Curmudgeon, Biff and continously lying your ass off is more than sad. of course, you deny it and attempt to brush it off by saying you’re this and that.

    go ahead as search these morons and look at the postings. decide if it’s the same crap: http://goo.gl/bto5qi

  856. on 06 Dec 2013 at 3:33 pm 856.Angus and Alexis said …

    “What their view of good is, nobody really knows……….sad.”

    Our view of what “good” is, is dependent on the area, traditions, religion, person, laws, and teachings.

    There you go.

  857. on 06 Dec 2013 at 4:54 pm 857.Dippy said …

    854.Ths Sckence Guy said …
    “Tell me, when did I say that I loved slavery?”
    “Mess just one of their many many lies lies.”

    Well, you do love your bible, and since your bible spends a great deal of time talking about the proper way to aquire, treat, and punish your slaves, it’s not a far reach to assume you love slavery. I mean it is a condition endorsed by your all loving god. Are you saying you actually HATE slavery, even though your god endorses it? You too are a hot messy of contradictions.

    “For them, lying is OK because they had a good reason. What their view of good is, nobody really knows……….sad.”

    This comes from the one who will not even tell us if his moral code agrees with Messy’s that women should be forced to marry their rapist. Nobody knows what my view of good is??? HAHAHAHA… well, I can tell you what it ISN’T… it isn’t enslaving another human being to support my family, it isn’t forcing a rape victim to spend her life married to the person who raped her, it isn’t performing ritual animal sacrifices to some god, and it isn’t deceiving myself into thinking that taking something that isn’t mine isn’t stealing.
    LOL.. it sure isn’t that.

    Poor ASS, you are so done and empty. I am now bored with you. You have nothing.

  858. on 06 Dec 2013 at 6:02 pm 858.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Nobody knows what my view of good is???”

    I know, you probably don’t or you are quite embarrassed by if which is why you will not share. Lol!!!

  859. on 06 Dec 2013 at 6:58 pm 859.Dippy said …

    This from the one who said:

    ” YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY SLAVERY IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL.”

    Not me, why do you think it”s wrong?”

    LOL………

    You have nothing of substance to add except a sad, sad attempt to be coy. Yawn.

  860. on 07 Dec 2013 at 12:36 am 860.the messenger said …

    880.Dippy, the biblical law is absolute. Certain laws apply to certain situations. The law never changes.

    You must always love everyone, no matter what situation it is.

    You must always love GOD, no matter the situation.

    You must never murder, no matter what the situation is(killing in self defense and killing to save lives are not considered as murder).

    Lying is never allowed. There is always a way to save lives without lying.

    Theft is never allowed. Theft is defined as taking somtheing without permission without the intention of returning it. Therefore to avoid theft, you must return whatever you took.

  861. on 07 Dec 2013 at 12:48 am 861.the messenger said …

    880.Dippy, I did not redefine the word “Steal”.

    Here is the definition of the word “steal”.

    (verb
    gerund or present participle: stealing
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    take (another person’s property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.)

    Lastly, the definition above clearly states that a non-intent of returning the property is required for an action to be defined as theft. Therefore, if you intend on returning the property, it is not considered as “steal/stealing”.
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  862. on 07 Dec 2013 at 3:08 am 862.the messenger said …

    851.Dippy, the morals in the bible do not depend on the circumstances. The morals never change.

    When the situation changes, the morals stay the same, our actions involving the situation is what changes.

  863. on 07 Dec 2013 at 3:37 am 863.Dippy said …

    Hahaha… Where did you get that? The idiot’ catholic dictionary?

    Webster:
    1steal verb \?st?l\
    : to take (something that does not belong to you) in a way that is wrong or illegal

    : to take (something that you are not supposed to have) without asking for permission

    : to wrongly take and use (another person’s idea, words, etc.)

    eter·ni·ty noun \i-?t?r-n?-t?\
    : time without an end

    : a state that comes after death and never ends.

    Doesn’t it tell you something about your absolute moral code when you have to resort to mind numbing mental gymnastics to try and justify it?

    Tell you what, go to a bank, take a bunch of money from the teller. When the cops arrest you, tell them they can’t charge you with theft because you intended to give it back. Let us know how that goes. Lol. Idiot.

  864. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:29 am 864.Angus and Alexis said …

    Nice one DPK.
    (Might i ask, what DPK stands for?)

  865. on 07 Dec 2013 at 4:38 pm 865.Dippy said …

    They are just my initials… nothing more.

  866. on 07 Dec 2013 at 5:28 pm 866.the messenger said …

    892.Dippy, I did not get that definition from a catholic dictionary. I got it from the Oxford dictionary. Since I got the definition from a reliable and great source, it means that my claim is correct due to the fact that my definition of steal is also correct(according to the oxford dictionary).

  867. on 07 Dec 2013 at 5:31 pm 867.the messenger said …

    892.Dippy, remamber, we are discussing biblical law, not U.S. law. If I took something without permission and returned it, according to biblical law, it would not be considered as theft.

  868. on 07 Dec 2013 at 5:59 pm 868.Dippy said …

    Is this the same biblical law that says it’s ok to own another human and force him to work for you to support your family, that a woman should have to marry the man who raped her, people who do any work on the Sabbath should be stoned, and girls who are not virgins on their wedding nights should be killed?
    That biblical law?

    hahahahahaha.

    Yeah, go to the bank and try what I said, then come back and tell us about your experience with stealing…

  869. on 07 Dec 2013 at 6:15 pm 869.alex said …

    predicted response from the resident idiot: why is slavery wrong? prove it. why is the rapist marrying the victim, wrong? prove it. why can’t an ass talk? prove it.

    in other words, all the shit in the bible is good and if the atheists can’t prove it, it’s all legit.

    of course, the chosen one, the incomparable, Messenger, gets to pick and choose whatever he wants and labels it wrong context, euphemism, or some other bs. plus, messenger is also the Supremo Interpreter that not even the mighty Hor would dare challenge.

    in his own fucked up mind, the biblical law is righteous, unstoppable and will eventually become the law of the land. dream on, motherfucker.

  870. on 07 Dec 2013 at 6:48 pm 870.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Might i ask, what DPK stands for”

    Dippy of course….lol!!!!!

    Why can’t even one atheists tell us why murder, rape, stealing and lying are wrong. Imagine if the horror of them reproducing happens.

    Son: Dippy was is stealing wrong?

    Dippy: Its not, just don’t get caught little Dip. Now finish the “God Delusion”!

    lol!

    Well we did have one atheist who admitted to using the Bible as his code. Kudos to him.

  871. on 07 Dec 2013 at 7:43 pm 871.alex said …

    “Why can’t even one atheists tell us why murder, rape, stealing and lying are wrong”

    dismissed. you’re a moron. the muslims know, the ancient greeks and romans knew. the hindus know. the atheists know.

    having said that, it proves that the so called singular biblical morality is total crap. you gonna ask next, why does crap smell?

  872. on 07 Dec 2013 at 7:49 pm 872.the messenger said …

    897.Dippy, if I took something without permission, in order to save my life or someone else’s life, the jury would vote not guilty, and my actions would not be considered as stealing.

    P.S., you still have yet to respond to the fact that my definition of “steal” is true(it can be found in the oxford dictionary).

  873. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:00 pm 873.the messenger said …

    897.Dippy, are you a different dippy, because I remember you saying the following quote. (Actually, you and I agree that the bible absolutely supports the idea that slavery is ok in some situations. No argument there from me.)

    In a recent comment(897), you attempted to use slavery as an argument against the biblical law, even though you stated that you agreed with it.

    You are a living contradiction.

  874. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:05 pm 874.the messenger said …

    892.Dippy, I did not get that definition from a catholic dictionary. I got it from the Oxford dictionary. Since I got the definition from a reliable and great source, it means that my claim is correct due to the fact that my definition of steal is also correct(according to the oxford dictionary).
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  875. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:22 pm 875.Dippy said …

    873.the messenger said …

    897.Dippy, are you a different dippy, because I remember you saying the following quote. (Actually, you and I agree that the bible absolutely supports the idea that slavery is ok in some situations. No argument there from me.)

    In a recent comment(897), you attempted to use slavery as an argument against the biblical law, even though you stated that you agreed with it.

    Is this guy for real??
    Boggles my mind how anyone can be so inconceivably stupid.

    Messy, I said I agreed with you that the bible SAYS slavery is ok. I didn’t say I agreed with you that it WAS ok. Moron.

  876. on 07 Dec 2013 at 8:37 pm 876.the messenger said …

    875.Dippy, I admit to reading your comment wrong, due to the fact that I was kind of tired when I read it.

    You are the idiotic one, due to the fact that you failed to see the fact that my definition of slavery is completely valid(you will find ot in the oxford dictionary).

  877. on 07 Dec 2013 at 9:15 pm 877.the messenger said …

    904.Dippy, you say that slavery is immoral, right? Well I partially agree. The bible allows slavery, but only in the most nessessary times. For example, commanding the slave to earn money for you in order to feed your family.

    In modern times, if a family is having money problems, they can get help from the government or charity, therefore slavery is no longer nessessary in preventing an innocent person from dying, and therefore there are no longer situations in which slavery would be moral right(according to biblical law).

    The bible law only allows slavery during life threatening situations, when there is no other option. Due to the fact people can get help from the government and other organization in life threatening situations, slavery is no longer nessessary in life threatening situations and is therefore not moral anymore(according to the moral law od the bible).

    Then tell me, if a man(living during the with two children and no wife accidentally breaks his leg and can’t work, he would not be able to earn money to buy food. Therefore, would

  878. on 07 Dec 2013 at 9:17 pm 878.the messenger said …

    Dippy, ignore the last paragraph in my previous comment.

  879. on 07 Dec 2013 at 9:41 pm 879.alex said …

    “…therefore slavery is no longer nessessary…”

    once again, you’re the chosen xtian grand motherfucker
    representative? you alone have decided that slavery is no longer good, but at the same same you think it’s good that a rapist can get off by paying and marrying the victim.

    why don’t you go public and publish your name and your fucked up views? because you know you’re full of shit and you’re just trolling this board.

    messenger, i’m thinking about relaying all your fucked up comments to Twitter. you think it’s good?

  880. on 07 Dec 2013 at 11:05 pm 880.the messenger said …

    879.alex, listen very closely. Both of us know that you are just some idiotic, little man with a low self esteem. So you come here posting your crap, trying to look important and tuff. You are not. You are nothing more than an annoyance.

    If you want to improve your life, stop being arrogant, and try to become an kinder, more compassionate, generous man.

    P.S. i am not the one to decided that slavery is no longer ok. GOD decided that slavery is no longer ok. You will understand this if you study the moral laws of the bible.

  881. on 07 Dec 2013 at 11:14 pm 881.the messenger said …

    908.alex, go ahead and post it on your twitter account.

    P.S., the biblical moral laws state that cussing is not allowed.

    Tell me, why do you cuss?

    Do you think that it is cool to use those foul words?

    What is the point of cussing to people?

    Why do you waste even a second of your life using those hateful, disgusting words?

    Instead of cussing, speak words of love and kindness. More people will want to speak to you.

  882. on 07 Dec 2013 at 11:35 pm 882.alex said …

    “What is the point of cussing to people?”

    because dumb motherfuckers like you, deserve it. don’t worry about me, you shit. you’ve already decided i’m going hell. when motherfuckers like you, think rapes can be paid off, it makes you dangerous because such thinking is a sign that the other shits in the bible is reasonable to you.

    my cussing really bothers you, don’t it? well fuck you. you’ve decided that slavery is not ok, but you’ve said your shit about rapes and homosexuals. what other parts of the bible do you think are ok, but are not codified in the laws of the united states?

    oh, i forgot about your stupid shit about stealing. it’s not stealing if you returned it. what a dumb, stupid, motherfucker you truly are.

    oh, btw, Twitter posts are limited to 40 characters, therefore your bullshit diatribe is just too much. if you’re so damn, cool why don’t you post it and also post your real name, you dumb motherfucker.

  883. on 07 Dec 2013 at 11:52 pm 883.alex said …

    “P.S., the biblical moral laws state that cussing is not allowed.”

    ps, motherfucker. Matthew 5:39-44 says turn the other cheek and you don’t, because?

    you wonder why hor and the other motherfuckers don’t even acknowledge your ass? because you’re a stupid, dumbass, caveman.

    remember when you said that you personally speak to god and then back tracked and said it was a dream?

    so if the bible doesn’t really mean to stone adulterers, or it doesn’t really mean it’s ok to have slaves, and the bible doesn’t really mean the earth is less that 10,000 years old (add up the generations, you dumb motherfucker), and it doesn’t really mean the mustard seed is the smallest, the bible really doesn’t mean anything consequential does it? specially your fucked up morals, which you have refused to list. remember, i volunteer to take it. dumbass.

  884. on 08 Dec 2013 at 1:39 am 884.the messenger said …

    882.alex, I worry about everyone.

    I do not decide whether you go to hell or not. GOD decides if you go to hell or not. I simply preach his teachings.

    Tell me, when did I say you were going to hell?

    The cussing does not bother me. My concern is that you are hateful. The fact that you use hateful words suggests that you are hateful. I do not hate you, I simply want to help you overcome your hate.

  885. on 08 Dec 2013 at 1:42 am 885.the messenger said …

    Alex, If you raped a person, wouldn’t you want to have a chance to redeem your self and acquire forgiveness for it? GOD offers a way to do that. The rapist must pay the woman he raped, and he must bind himself to her through marrage, so that he will be forced to serve her and make her life good for the rest of his life. GOD loves and forgives all people,and he offers redemption for all wrong doings.You seem to be quite vengeful toward people, and seem like you want to punish them and offer no path to redemption. You seem to like to punish and condemn people for their actions. You seem like a sadist.

  886. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:09 am 886.alex said …

    “You seem to be quite vengeful toward people…”

    you dumb motherfucker. i care about other religious people, women, homosexuals, and scientific knowledge. you on the other hand, needs an ass kicking.

    if i raped a person, i deserve a beating and i don’t need no bullshit forgiveness. your god forgiveness is total crap. you keep repeating the rape payment and the binding bullshit, but it’s just your fantasy. i can’t recall a single country where your fantasy good rape law is implemented, do you? maybe in the fantastic, republic of messenger?

    just keep your rape payoff along with your other bible bullshit to yourself and everybody will get along fine. but you’re too stoopid to see that. if even just the mooslims and the xtian fucks would do that, the world would be a better place.

    now, go fuck yourself. thats you, messenger.

  887. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:28 am 887.alex said …

    “You seem to like to punish and condemn people for their actions.”

    wrong. there was a time in my life when my bullshit tolerance became no more. you’re just too stoopid to realize that my cussing doesn’t equal hate.

    my wife thinks the grand canyon was formed by the biblical flood and i call that, some motherfucking collossal bullshyeeat. i don’t have my wife.

    you, otoh, are so stupid with your rape shit, it would be comical, but it’s not. you’re dangerously delusional. now, go fuck yourself.

  888. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:31 am 888.Angus and Alexis said …

    HAHAHA, what a nutter.

    Messenger, try taking money from the bank (illegally) with the intent of giving it back.

    The judge will say guilty without a doubt, that is how the law works, this is to stop idiots like you from exploiting systems.

  889. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:31 am 889.alex said …

    “i don’t have my wife.”

    hate…

  890. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:33 am 890.the messenger said …

    915.alex, it is not a law for one country, it is a law for all humanity.

  891. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:37 am 891.the messenger said …

    916.alex, you have a wife? I feel sorry for her having to live with such a man as you.

  892. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:39 am 892.alex said …

    “alex, you have a wife? I feel sorry for her having to live with such a man as you.”

    heh, heh. i raped her when she was a virgin. gave her $20 bucks and married her. who’s your daddy, motherfucker?

  893. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:41 am 893.the messenger said …

    915.alex the “binding with marrage ” part is not used, but people sometimes are required by law to “pay” a fine.

  894. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:47 am 894.the messenger said …

    915.alex, unlike you, GOD loves all people(even rapists, and you). GOD wants to give forgiveness and redemption to all people that seek it. If you felt quilt or remorse, wouldn’t you want to have some way to redeem your self, or atone for your actions?

  895. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:54 am 895.alex said …

    “unlike you, GOD loves all people(even rapists, and you).”

    wake up, dumb motherfucker. you admitted before that you only dreamt that you spoke to god. now, you going back to the same old bullshit?

    unlike your bullshit god, i did not kill a shitload of people. unlike your god, the smell of burnt flesh doesn’t please me. unlike your god, i don’t fear the motherfuckers with iron chariots. anything else?

    remember, i’m your daddy, luke.

  896. on 08 Dec 2013 at 2:56 am 896.the messenger said …

    915.alex, these laws are about making everyone better and offering forgiveness and love to all people. Not just the people that you favor.

    You may not desire forgiveness(because you apparently feel no remorse for anything bad that you have done in your life), but that does not mean that others do not desire it.

    Think of others, you selfish man.

  897. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:00 am 897.the messenger said …

    924.alex, I do not claim that GOD speaks directly to me. I am simply stating what his laws state, and it states that he loves everyone.

  898. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:05 am 898.alex said …

    “Think of others, you selfish man.”

    think of the women, you dumbshit. would you want your virgin sisters or daughters raped, paid off, and forced to marry the rapist. i know it’s your fantasy, but think of the the women….

    and quit trying to hang on to that forgiveness shit. if i cussed you 1000 times, i’m sorry that i wasn’t able to cuss you 100 million motherfucking times. people feel remorse, but what the fuck does god have anything to do with feeling sorry. it’s just a sorry motherfucking excuse to do it again.

    now, go fuck off.

  899. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:09 am 899.alex said …

    “I am simply stating what his laws state”

    bullshit. you know better than the pope? who made you the catholic spokesperson or representative? you’re nobody, but some dumb anonymous motherfucker trying to be cool and righteous on an atheist blog.

    don’t try to turn that shit around on me. i’m nobody too, but you don’t see me tossing bullshit around like you continually do. all i do is continually call out your shit, you dumb motherfucker.

  900. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:12 am 900.the messenger said …

    924.alex, you are so stupid.

    People have to leave the earth so day. Death of the human body is nessessary. P.S. in the bible, GOD only killed bad people, like in the flood.

    The burnt flesh is animal flesh. It is just like the smell of a barbecue. What is bad about that.

    GOD fears no one.

  901. on 08 Dec 2013 at 3:24 am 901.alex said …

    “GOD fears no one.”

    your god fears me. i’ve called the motherfucker out countless times, yet he needs morons like you to fight his battles. your stupid bible revels in that fact that the baal priests got owned when asked to produce their god, but when atheists ask you the same thing, you make up all kinds of excuses for your feeble skydad.

    Judges 1:19, motherfucker. iron chariots? fucking comedy material.

    again, who the fuck are you? your moronic posts are so stupid, they’re not even close to being in line with the standard catholic fare.

    you speak to god in your dreams? keep it to yourself, dumbass.

  902. on 08 Dec 2013 at 5:02 am 902.Angus and Alexis said …

    “The burnt flesh is animal flesh. It is just like the smell of a barbecue. What is bad about that.”

    WRONG.

    You “cook” at a barbecue, you do not “burn” at a barbecue.

    “GOD fears no one.”

    Excluding iron chariots?

    “P.S. in the bible, GOD only killed bad people, like in the flood.”

    Incorrect, there were many innocent children, adults and animals.

    “Death of the human body is nessessary.”

    An omnipotent god cannot do something?
    What a joke.

  903. on 08 Dec 2013 at 4:59 pm 903.the messenger said …

    931.Angus and Alexis, when a steak cook on a grill, it get burnt a little. What is wrong about liking the smell of that?

    GOD does not fear anyone. the reason that he had humans fight against his enemies is because they needed to prove their devotion to GOD, by facing many foes.

    GOD can do anything he wants. He chose to make our moral bodies die so our soul could go to heaven. He could do it a different way, but he chose to do it this way.

    Allow me to reword that statement. GOD only directly killed bad people. Any other deaths that occurred in the bible were not of punishment, but simply because it was their time to leave the earth.

  904. on 08 Dec 2013 at 5:33 pm 904.alex said …

    hear ye, hear ye. dumbshit, selfappointed god motherfucker, messenger in da house. fuck the pope, the priests and/or the bishops. messenger speaks!

    hor/martin/biff(remember him), you’all better recognize your leader.

  905. on 08 Dec 2013 at 5:50 pm 905.the messenger said …

    930.alex, GOD has people speak for him, not because of fear, but because he wants us learn his laws. If we spead his teaching, we will better understand them.

  906. on 08 Dec 2013 at 5:54 pm 906.the messenger said …

    933.alex, I am not claiming to be better or in charge of anyone, you child.

    I am speaking the same message that the pope, bishops, and priests speak. I am not claiming authority or superiority over any of them.

  907. on 08 Dec 2013 at 6:00 pm 907.alex said …

    “I am speaking the same message that the pope,…”

    you lying motherfucking bitch. quote the pope and show where he agrees with you on your bullshit rape payoff. ooops, switch the subject. squirm, motherfucker, squirm.

  908. on 08 Dec 2013 at 6:20 pm 908.alex said …

    allahu akbar, xtian infidel. praise be to allah, the lord of the worlds.

    you like that shit? you don’t, do ya? if you just keep your religious shit to yourself and we’ll be fine.

    but of course, you motherfuckers won’t. not only do you morons love to spread your bullshit word, you cannot even resist fucking with this site.

  909. on 08 Dec 2013 at 11:53 pm 909.Angus and Alexis said …

    Wow…

    Messenger, your arguments seem like they were already used by every other *debunked* theist…

  910. on 09 Dec 2013 at 1:51 am 910.Science Guy said …

    alex seems like a little boy that was raped and abused and angry at the entire world. alex, send me your zip and I will recommend a counselor who can help you and cure you of the the hate and anger you still experience. Your rants reflect very badly on you and no one will hardly even respond to you fella. Your atheist buddies don’t care enough about you to tell you the truth. Get help and soon for your own good. Seriously…….

    Agnus the tulip…..let me know when you have debunked even one argument for God then we can talk….I don’t expect that to be happening from someone who has a tulip blogging with him/her lol!!!!

  911. on 09 Dec 2013 at 2:30 am 911.alex said …

    “alex seems like a little boy that was raped and abused”

    you crack me up, you dumb motherfucker. your god is bullshit and you resort to this? no one responds? you’re right. messenger and you are the only ones responding and you both are a couple of inconsequential idiots trolling this blog.

    my rants are keeping motherfuckers like you in check and you don’t like it. you’ve been busted so many times, it amazes that you even show up.

    that right motherfucker. look at the aggregated links on this site and notice how the comments look similar to the unmistakable stench that is you.

    http://goo.gl/bto5qi

  912. on 09 Dec 2013 at 3:49 am 912.alex said …

    Then he said to the tree, “fuck this motherfucking fig tree…” and his disciples thought they heard him say “fuck this motherfucking fag tree…”. and that’s why xtians hate homosexuals.

  913. on 09 Dec 2013 at 3:49 am 913.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    lol!!!! Knew I could get a rise out of Archie Bunker! lol!!!!! Just too easy!

    Seek medical attention Arch…..

  914. on 09 Dec 2013 at 3:57 am 914.archieBunker said …

    hey dumbass. you happy? a rise is your god proof? what else you want to call me? you’ve already used up dippy. since you got nothing, this is it for you? name calling? you in elementary school? ran out of lies, eh? dumbass motherfucker.

  915. on 09 Dec 2013 at 4:02 am 915.alex said …

    hey dipshit. i looked at the logs and saw you searching for biff. comments look familiar? you can’t hide, dumbass. no matter how many times you change your name, your posts are archived.

    btw, lots of people have search for “biff”, “martin” and “science guy” and guess what? they know it’s you. dumbfuck.

  916. on 09 Dec 2013 at 12:10 pm 916.Angus and Alexis said …

    By the way Alex, nice site.

    I wish i knew how to do such things…

  917. on 09 Dec 2013 at 12:59 pm 917.alex said …

    well, the morons have attacked my home computer, filled up my logs and brought it down. the gauntlett has been throw and i accept the challenge.

    this ain’t amateur hour. i’ll move it to a hosting site and we’ll see how these morons do. remember, you morons, DOS attacks are serious shits.

  918. on 09 Dec 2013 at 1:45 pm 918.Angus and Alexis said …

    You could sue them.
    That would be a laugh.

  919. on 09 Dec 2013 at 4:34 pm 919.Dippy said …

    The Christian theist method of reasoning goes like this:

    Rule #1. The Christian God of the bible provides the only source of morality.

    Rule #2. If the Christian God of the bible does something that anyone can see is clearly immoral, refer to rule #1.

    Rule #3. If anyone questions this, call them a name and change the subject.

    Got it?

  920. on 09 Dec 2013 at 6:31 pm 920.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “name calling? you in elementary school”

    ROTFL!!!!! Arch claiming others name-call. Now admittedly, I could never bring the sort of vile vitrole you unload, but I do think Archie is appropriate in this case.

    I have already admitted I am everyone who has ever posted here. That’s not enough?!!!!!

    Go ahead and bring the law suit as Alexis the tulip suggests. Great for more laughs! Lol!!!

    And now Archie is a conspiracy theorist!! I am taking the time to attack WWGHA. Lol!!!!! OMG!!!

    Sorry, too busy on the Obobbie care site! Lol!!!

  921. on 09 Dec 2013 at 6:35 pm 921.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    Arch,

    Just searched the comments. I see you were searching for tulips. That’s right, you can’t hide Arch. Your comments are archived my little pony!

    lol!!!

  922. on 09 Dec 2013 at 7:30 pm 922.Dippy said …

    Rule #3. If anyone questions this, call them a name and change the subject….
    and as predictably as the winter solstice:

    921.Ths Sckence Guy said …
    “Go ahead and bring the law suit as Alexis the tulip suggests. Great for more laughs! Lol!!!”

    “Arch,
    Just searched the comments. I see you were searching for tulips. That’s right, you can’t hide Arch. Your comments are archived my little pony!”

    See? I could be a fucking prophet.

  923. on 09 Dec 2013 at 11:16 pm 923.alex said …

    hor, you dumb motherfucker. i mentioned morons and you jump up and say “Hey, that’s me!”

    you really a dumb motherfucker. all this shits i dish out to your stoopid ass is really well deserved.

    the fact that you’ve been busted as martin/astro/biff and the rest of the socks is not gonna change by you saying you’re every one on this blog. the fact that you’ve been busted is really bugging you, ain’t it?

    here’s biff’s posts: http://goo.gl/28jokc
    here’s martin’s posts: http://goo.gl/FuOmdS

  924. on 09 Dec 2013 at 11:18 pm 924.alex said …

    here’s the rest of the posts. you decide if it’s hor.

    first science guy posts: http://goo.gl/oVjH8b
    secnd science guy posts: http://goo.gl/Eb8vto

    hor, you dumbass. everybody can see what a dumb motherfucker you truly are: morons, here? “hor: present and accounted for, sir!” lol that.

    quick! change the subject. no sense denying the archives. make up some shit why you keep changing your moniker and fluffing yourself.

  925. on 09 Dec 2013 at 11:21 pm 925.alex said …

    of course, this is my favorite. martin, talking to himself.

    [martin]
    Alex since you have neither you have a lot of free time huh?
    lol!!
    Martin,
    Good one!

    it’s the second post at: http://goo.gl/FuOmdS

  926. on 10 Dec 2013 at 1:43 am 926.the messenger said …

    919.Dippy, there is one think wrong with your comment.

    There are no immoral laws in the bible.

    P.S., 892.Dippy, I did not get that definition from a catholic dictionary. I got it from the Oxford dictionary. Since I got the definition from a reliable and great source, it means that my claim is correct due to the fact that my definition of steal is also correct(according to the oxford dictionary).
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  927. on 10 Dec 2013 at 2:02 am 927.the messenger said …

    954.alex, here ye, here ye, alex the the grand self proclaimed spokesman speaks.SARCASM.

    What makes you the high judge of all Christians? What gives you the authority to judge us?

  928. on 10 Dec 2013 at 3:17 am 928.alex said …

    “What makes you the high judge of all Christians? What gives you the authority to judge us?”

    the same authority that gives me the authority to judge bigfoot believers, ufo believers, loch ness monster believers, santa claus believers, et all.

    all bullshit, including your christ. it’s not up to me to disprove your god any more than it is for me to disprove all the other fucked up gods, allah, zeus, odin and shit.

    your turn. name a single, well known catholic that agrees with your view on rape. you can’t, can you? if you can’t even agree with your big homies, how in the fuck can you even legitimately lecture this blog?

    here, take a look at your posts: http://goo.gl/mJMi2s

    take it your priest and ask him to grade it. come back with your “F”, you dumbass.

  929. on 10 Dec 2013 at 7:04 am 929.Angus and Alexis said …

    Messenger, do you mind if you would stop posting such stupidly long comments that consist of several tens of full stops?

    That would be nice.

    You also fail to comprehend that stealing with the intention of giving it back is still stealing, as it invoke the “take without legal right or permission” section of the definition.

  930. on 10 Dec 2013 at 4:48 pm 930.Dippy said …

    Sure Messy… no problem. Taking something that doesn’t belong to you without the knowledge and permission of the person it belongs to isn’t really stealing as long as you intend to give it back. Absolutely.
    Eternity also doesn’t mean forever… just a long time.
    And stoning someone to death doesn’t mean stoning someone to death, just punishing them in a loving, humane way.
    The premeditated killing of a person for political or religious reasons also isn’t murder, providing that person is in your judgement a bad person. Killing the people of another country that your country is at war with is also not murder.
    Whatever you say, there Mess…
    After all, you believe in an invisible man who lives in the sky and you think that when you die you are going to live forever with him in a magical kingdom where everything is perfect forever and ever and ever… so why not?

  931. on 10 Dec 2013 at 7:13 pm 931.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “isn’t really stealing”

    Didn’t you say stealing is ok?

    “premeditated killing”

    Why is it wrong?

    “so why not?”

    Yes, why not do whatever? Why is anything wrong?

  932. on 10 Dec 2013 at 8:09 pm 932.Dippy said …

    “Yes, why not do whatever? Why is anything wrong?”

    The fact that you ask me that question shows how clueless you actually are.
    Remember, you are the one with the absolute code of morality that you can’t show us or even tell us what it says.
    I guess you didn’t take my advice and take that sociology course. Willful ignorance is the worst kind of stupid.

  933. on 10 Dec 2013 at 8:16 pm 933.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Willful ignorance is the worst kind of stupid.”

    I agree you can’t even tell me why something is immoral. Heaven forbid you are allowed to reproduce and the child has to figure out if murder, rape, lying and stealing are wrong or not. Hopefully an adult will step on to raise the young steed.

    lol!!!

  934. on 10 Dec 2013 at 9:49 pm 934.the messenger said …

    957.alex, any catholic that believe in Matthew 5:17-20, automatically believes in that law as well.

  935. on 10 Dec 2013 at 10:02 pm 935.the messenger said …

    959.Dippy, Have you ever heard the phrase, “you are a piece of crap”? In this sentence, the word “crap” does not mean the actual dictionary definition. It is simply used to stress how bad the person is within that sentence.

    Within the bible, the word “eternal”‘s dictionary definition is not used to describe hell. In the bible, the word eternal is used to stress how long hell lasts.

    Understand?

  936. on 10 Dec 2013 at 10:04 pm 936.the messenger said …

    959.Dippy, Have you ever heard the phrase, “you are a piece of crap”? In this sentence, the word “crap” does not mean the actual dictionary definition. It is simply used to stress how bad the person is within that sentence.

    Within the bible, the word “eternal”‘s dictionary definition is not used. In the bible, the word eternal is used to stress how long hell lasts.

    Understand?

  937. on 10 Dec 2013 at 10:14 pm 937.alex said …

    “I agree you can’t even tell me why something is immoral.”

    so if an atheist did something moral it’s because of chance? maybe because the koran guided the atheist?

    illuminate, motherfucker. yours truly, arch.

  938. on 10 Dec 2013 at 11:20 pm 938.alex said …

    messenger, you got no creds here. not even with the catholic church. your rape view doesn’t jive. go away, moron.

    shut the fuck, up and follow Matthew 5:39-44

  939. on 10 Dec 2013 at 11:54 pm 939.Angus and Alexis said …

    “In the bible, the word eternal is used to stress how long hell lasts.”

    Guess what eternal means: Forever.

  940. on 11 Dec 2013 at 12:55 am 940.Science Guy said …

    Archie Bunker blurted “so if an atheist did something moral it’s because of chance?”

    If an atheist does something moral how do they know? Who tells them? What acknowledges they did good?

    Can you follow the question now Archie? Capiche?

    Again, get some help before the anger kills you or you kill someone else. But wait? That wouldn’t be immoral because you have a reason….right? lol!!!

    Get me you Zip so I can put you in touch with a counselor.

  941. on 11 Dec 2013 at 1:12 am 941.alex said …

    “If an atheist does something moral how do they know?”

    the ole tree falling in the forest if nobody hears eh? if an xtian priest rapes a little boy and nobody presses charges, is the little hor happy?

    if i kick your ass or i get counseling, does that prove your god? if i legally change my name to archie does that prove your god? didn’t think so and as usual, you ain’t got shit.

    tsk, tsk. changed your name again, you sneaky motherfucker. i consolidated both of your collective posts, you sneaky little fucker: http://goo.gl/SVEpEH – courtesy of “science guy” and “ths sckence guy” and of course martin, biff, etc. read the posts, you can’t hide hor.

    hey, martin, good one. yours truly, martin. har!

  942. on 11 Dec 2013 at 1:19 am 942.alex said …

    for my next trick i will publish hor’s greatest hits. i will comb the wwgha archives and gather all these suspected socks and consolidate all their comments into one giant list: these are my sock suspects: biff, martin, science guy, and Ths Sckence Guy. anybody else know any other hor sock puppets?

  943. on 11 Dec 2013 at 1:55 am 943.Anonymous said …

    Science Guy (I love the deep irony):

    If an atheist does something moral how do they know? Who tells them? What acknowledges they did good?

    Well, why don’t you actually USE SCIENCE? How was morality decided BEFORE the invention of xtianity? How did folks know….. with no bible to guide them? Such a silly man you are, hor.

  944. on 11 Dec 2013 at 3:29 am 944.Science Guy said …

    “Well, why don’t you actually USE SCIENCE?”

    Hi Freddie-Mouse! Decide to stop running!!

    Well, young feller, I used science. My conclusion: Each atheists does what he thinks is right. Therefore, everything can be moral. This means Hitler,Stalin and Mao were all moral because they did what they felt was moral.

    Seem scientific enough for you Freddie-Mouse? Maybe you have another theory? Love to hear one! lol!!!!!

    This is exciting! Lets see what Freedie-Mouse can produce!

  945. on 11 Dec 2013 at 3:34 am 945.Science Guy said …

    “i will comb the wwgha archives and gather all these suspected socks and consolidate all their comments into one giant list”

    ROTFL!!!!!!!

    This is precious. Feel free my very sick young friend. Let me know if I need to claim another moniker I may have missed. I have already admitted I am everyone so you will prove what I already acknowledged?

    Great! Have fun. I hope it keeps you busy and away from the possibility of hurting yourself or others!

    Oh, to have that much free-time!

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  946. on 11 Dec 2013 at 4:17 am 946.alex said …

    “Oh, to have that much free-time!”

    it’s not that difficult, asshole. for you though, with your demonstrated lack of reasoning, combing thru all the archives would take a long time. of course, you wouldn’t even begin to know how to compile the list.

    check out your posts. who’s been on this blog longer?

    “Feel free my very sick young friend.”

    says the moron who prays to the skydaddy that’s obsessed with foreskins and is summoned at will to maul youths? bears, motherfucker.

    “I have already admitted I am everyone”

    but you’re not. it’s not gonna work, hor/martin/biff/scienceGuy. you can’t run from it, no matter how you spin it.

    “nice going martin. yours truly, martin”.

  947. on 11 Dec 2013 at 4:25 am 947.alex said …

    “Each atheists does what he thinks is right. Therefore, everything can be moral. This means Hitler,Stalin and Mao were all moral because they did what they felt was moral.”

    let’s say this is true. how the fuck does that prove that your bullshit bible morals are true.

    so if a theist does something immoral, this also prove that biblical morals are true? you’ve stopped making sense along time ago. this explains your proclivity for calling people names and shit.

    “martin, way to go. yours truly, martin”.

  948. on 11 Dec 2013 at 4:50 am 948.alex said …

    proofs of bible morals:
    1. alex cursing
    2. atheists cannot define morality
    3. alex is archie
    4. dpk is dippy
    5. alex has too much time
    6. stupid atheists
    7. young earth. no people/morals before 10k ago.

    proofs of creation
    1. camaro on beach
    2. no crocoduck
    3. alex cursing
    4. stupid atheists
    5. dna programmer required

    proofs of god
    1. the bible
    2. testimonials
    3. grand canyon erosion
    4. alex cursing
    5. stupid atheists
    6. messenger

  949. on 11 Dec 2013 at 3:01 pm 949.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “let’s say this is true.”

    I just did. It’s also dangerous and foolish

    SEEK professional counseling. Get me that Zip Arch.

    Yes I am everyone.

  950. on 11 Dec 2013 at 4:54 pm 950.Dippy said …

    Ass you are so obtuse and completely wrapped up in your own delusion you can’t even see the point when it is staring you in the face.

    How do cultures who have never heard of your bible or your current god du jour know that it is wrong to kill, steal, or rape? How?

    How do you reconcile your biblical morality that allows things like slavery, stoning, genocide? Are you actually going to argue that slavery is in fact moral? If not, how do you make that determination?

    Messy has already demonstrated to us that his absolute moral code, which is supposedly the same one as yours, allows for things like forcing a woman to marry her rapist. Curiously, you are strangely silent about these claims. WHY? I think you are a despicable excuse for a human being, but even I don’t think you are stupid enough or evil enough to believe that these kinds of acts are actually morally ok just because they are prescribed in the bible.
    Presumably, you make a distinction between what is moral in the bible and what is not. How?
    Now, even if you know, I know you won’t admit it. You will just change the subject or try to shift the burden. This is avoidance, a sad consequence of trying to support a delusion.

  951. on 11 Dec 2013 at 5:43 pm 951.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “How do cultures who have never heard of your bible or your current god du jour know that it is wrong to kill, steal, or rape?”

    Ask them. How do atheists? Will he answer the time. …………prediction……….no!

    lol!!!

  952. on 11 Dec 2013 at 5:50 pm 952.alex said …

    “Ask them. How do atheists?”

    more god proof? how do atheists drink milk? ask them? bingo! god proof. moron.

  953. on 11 Dec 2013 at 5:59 pm 953.alex said …

    “How do cultures who have never heard of your bible or your current god du jour know that it is wrong to kill, steal, or rape?”

    hor’s only answer has to be “before the xtian god, there were no cultures, therefore the question is no good”. dating evidence is suspect, therefore it’s not definitive “anything” existed before genesis. starlight was created in “transit” and on… and on…

    so hor pouts like a little bitch and blurts, “go ask them”.

  954. on 11 Dec 2013 at 6:11 pm 954.Dippy said …

    “Now, even if you know, I know you won’t admit it. You will just change the subject or try to shift the burden. This is avoidance, a sad consequence of trying to support a delusion.”

    951.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Ask them. How do atheists?”

    Am I good, or what? I have a 100% correct rate when predicting what poor ASS will do. LOL indeed!

    I’m not asking them, I’m asking YOU… the one with an “absolute code of morality”

    “Messy has already demonstrated to us that his absolute moral code, which is supposedly the same one as yours, allows for things like forcing a woman to marry her rapist. Curiously, you are strangely silent about these claims. WHY? I think you are a despicable excuse for a human being, but even I don’t think you are stupid enough or evil enough to believe that these kinds of acts are actually morally ok just because they are prescribed in the bible.
    Presumably, you make a distinction between what is moral in the bible and what is not. How?”

    Its a simple question for someone who has an absolute code of morality. But curiously, you will never, ever answer.

  955. on 11 Dec 2013 at 6:46 pm 955.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “I’m not asking them, I’m asking YOU”

    Why ask me? I’m not one of them. Go to the source, Dippy. Hey I do know how an atheist on this blog determined what was moral. He used Judeo-Christian values. He told me.

    lol!!!!!!

    So funny how you try to get the spotlight off you!!!

    Now back to you. You are an atheists. Correct? Certainly you should know WHY you think certain actions are moral, yes? So?

  956. on 11 Dec 2013 at 7:29 pm 956.Dippy said …

    Hahaha…. I’d like to say “nice try at a dodge” ut sadly, it wasn’t even that.
    I’m not asking you how cultures who have never heard of the bible manage to establish moralities. I already know that! Silly man.

    Try to focus now… your silliness isn’t fooling anyone but you. Specifiably what I asked YOU… and you always avoid answering, was:

    “Presumably, you make a distinction between what is moral in the bible and what is not. How?”

    The answers you pretend to seek will be revealed to you when you grow enough balls to answer this question honestly for yourself. But we know that isn’t going to happen, don’t we? Instead you will play coy and try to look clever, even though everyone can see plainly what a complete fraud you are. LOL!!!

    It is sometime so much fun showing what an ass you are! Is that immoral?? How do you know?

    hahahahaha.

  957. on 11 Dec 2013 at 8:39 pm 957.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “I’d like to say “nice try at a dodge” ut sadly, it wasn’t even that.”

    Dodge? Dodge what? Because I don’t answer for some other group of people? Lol!!!!! I asked about your people. Tired of running? Lol!!!

    “I already know that”

    You do? Then you must be ashamed. You refuse to explain why you are moral but Stalin was not.
    lol!!!!!!

    ‘you will play coy”

    Actually I am clever. You do not have a rational answer and you and I both know it. :)

  958. on 11 Dec 2013 at 9:50 pm 958.Dippy said …

    957.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Dodge? Dodge what? Because I don’t answer for some other group of people? Lol!!!!! I asked about your people. Tired of running? Lol!!!”

    Young man, you really need to get some help with your reading comprehension problem. ADD? or has alcoholism rotted your brain? I am patient, I will try again:

    Messy has already demonstrated to us that his absolute moral code, which is supposedly the same one as yours, allows for things like forcing a woman to marry her rapist and slavery and assassination and such…
    Presumably, you make a distinction between what is moral in the bible and what is not. How?

    Now stay focused, because I am trying to teach you something. The answer you seek you already know.

    But you won’t admit it, because we all know what you are… a self delusional, lying sack of human waste…. hahahahaha. You are so funny… and you think yourself clever!! Just like a 2nd grade school child who thinks he is “clever” playing “I’m rubber, you’re glue.”

    Clever!!! I nearly spit my coffee all over my poor keyboard!

  959. on 12 Dec 2013 at 2:18 am 959.Science Guy said …

    “forcing a woman to marry her rapist and slavery and assassination and such…”

    Good point! So why is this wrong? In order to judge a moral code, well, you gotta have one! Because everything is relative, right? So wouldn’t this be OK in atheism-land?

    LOL!!!!

    So, will he answer this time or once again change the subject?

    Prediction: Another change of subject!

    LOL!!!!!!!! I am clever and the prophet!

    Oh, and he will come with more more alexisms to feel like he is a Big man! lol!!!!

  960. on 12 Dec 2013 at 2:43 am 960.Dippy said …

    “forcing a woman to marry her rapist and slavery and assassination and such…”
    Good point! So why is this wrong? In order to judge a moral code, well, you gotta have one! Because everything is relative, right? So wouldn’t this be OK in atheism-land?

    Ahh.. Progress! You finally agree that things like slavery, forcing a woman to marry her rapist, stoning and the like are clearly immoral. Excellent.

    Now, rather than ask me how I know these acts are immoral, simply ask YOURSELF how you know these are immoral, because the answer cannot be “because the bible says so” because obviously, the bible says they are perfectly ok.

    So, how do you know? How do YOU decide what parts of the bible to embrace, and what parts to ignore? Remember, no one has ever said there are no good values to be garnished from your bible.

  961. on 12 Dec 2013 at 3:25 am 961.Dippy said …

    And if you can’t tell me how you know that slavery, forced marriage, genocide, and capital punishment for trivial “crimes” like loosing your virginity before marriage is immoral, then I would suggest to you that perhaps my relative moral code is far superior to your non existent absolute one. Lol.

  962. on 12 Dec 2013 at 4:03 am 962.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “perhaps my relative moral code is far superior to your non existent absolute one”

    ROTFL! I guess we will never know. You refuse to tell anyone why they are wrong just I predicted!

    lol!!!

    (sigh!)

    I understand, you are embarrassed.

    If you decide you have something other than everything is moral, feel free to come again!

    lol!!!!!!

  963. on 12 Dec 2013 at 4:08 am 963.Dippy said …

    Your pathological need to construct straw men arguments to support your claims is very tiring. Too bad, you were almost there, but, as predicted, you simply haven’t got the balls to be honest with us, or yourself.
    Well so much for your absolute code of morality. Hahaha… What a joke.

  964. on 12 Dec 2013 at 4:33 am 964.Dippy said …

    Notice that ass has admitted that his “absolute code of morality” cannot even tell him why slavery, forced marriage, and genocide is immoral.

    Instead, he makes up lies like “atheists believe nothing is immoral”.

    Pretty week position when the only way you can try to make a point is to flat out lie about what your opponent has said. Pathetic.

    Can anyone here who claims the bible provides an absolute code of morality tell me how you determine that slavery, forced marriage, and other things, like genocide, are wrong? Anyone?

  965. on 12 Dec 2013 at 6:56 am 965.Angus and Alexis said …

    You know what i have learnt from this blog.

    Messenger and Hor would both start raping, murdering and stealing if they found out their book was incorrect.

    When you think about it, that is truly monstrous.

  966. on 12 Dec 2013 at 12:04 pm 966.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “start raping, murdering and stealing’

    So why are they wrong Agnus?

    Prediction; No answer and avoidance tactics

  967. on 12 Dec 2013 at 12:10 pm 967.Angus and Alexis said …

    Why are they wrong?

    All cause suffering/pain/etc in some form or another.

    Why do you claim it is wrong?

  968. on 12 Dec 2013 at 12:36 pm 968.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “All cause suffering/pain/etc in some form or another”

    Whoa there my little pony. Dippy has…..on this blog……..claimed stealing is OK. So are you saying atheists do not agree these are immoral?

    What is this etc? That could be anything
    Is pain always immoral? Are you sure?

    YOU once claimed culture determined morality. Have you now changed your opinion?

  969. on 12 Dec 2013 at 12:59 pm 969.Angus and Alexis said …

    “YOU once claimed culture determined morality. Have you now changed your opinion?”

    I never stated otherwise, morals are still effected by culture.

    “Dippy has…..on this blog……..claimed stealing is OK.”

    I do not recall him saying this…
    If so, i must disagree with him.

    “So are you saying atheists do not agree these are immoral?”

    There is no absolute morals, so yes, not everyone agrees.

    Now may you answer my question? Why are these things immoral?

  970. on 12 Dec 2013 at 1:22 pm 970.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “There is no absolute morals, so yes, not everyone agrees.”

    so why are you moral and Stalin and Sadaam were not? Just opinion, right? It was legal for Stalin to murder and for Sadaam to rape and pillage.

    SO why are you right?

  971. on 12 Dec 2013 at 1:28 pm 971.Dippy said …

    Again, Hor lies about what I said ( straw man) in order to make a point to argue against.
    I have never made a blanket statement like “stealing is ok”, and he knows it full well. Either that, or he is an idiot. What I HAVE said, is that there are circumstances where stealing could be moral than not stealing, where lying could be more moral than telling the truth, and where killing could be more moral than not killing…. Because morality of a given act ALWAYS depends on circumstances.

    Hor/Ass is well aware of that, but his god given absolute moral directive against lying apparently does not apply when talking about atheists…. Which is odd because that would seem to imply it is relative.

  972. on 12 Dec 2013 at 1:32 pm 972.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Just opinion, right?”

    An opinion of many people, yes.

    “It was legal for Stalin to murder and for Sadaam to rape and pillage.”

    It is also legal for muslims to stone, and for christians (catholics) to rape 12 year old boys.

    Might i ask what morals has to do with this discussion? It seems rather irrelevant.

    But while we are here, why is such things immoral to you?

  973. on 12 Dec 2013 at 1:57 pm 973.Angus and Alexis said …

    As a question, it is obvious that you (Hor) find that lying is indeed moral, why?

  974. on 12 Dec 2013 at 3:26 pm 974.Dippy said …

    ” It was legal for Stalin to murder and for Sadaam to rape and pillage.”

    Is it legal or moral? Don’t confuse the two silly. You are such a mess. Was it moral to drop the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Is it possible for 2 moral and well intentioned people in good conscious to have differing opinions about that?
    Not if there is an absolute code of morality. What does your code say about that? Ok to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians to end a war early and avoid an invasion that would have killed hundreds of thousands? What does your code say?

  975. on 12 Dec 2013 at 4:44 pm 975.alex said …

    ”It was legal for Stalin to murder and for Sadaam to rape and pillage.”

    the atheist bacteria that killed half of europe definitely proves that without biblical morals, atheists are legal murderers.

    what a moron.

  976. on 12 Dec 2013 at 5:36 pm 976.Dippy said …

    Well, there is nothing I like more that spreading the atheist plague around for sure, unless it is ripping open the bellies of pregnant woman and dashing them on rocks… ooop! sorry… that’s a bible thing, not an atheist one… I meant I love causing an atheist flood that kills every living thing on the planet except for a few select atheist.. and fish I suppose… haha!!
    But what I really like is getting a bunch of my atheist buddies together and going around stoning people for not following our athesit moral code or working on the atheist holy day… that’s always fun!

  977. on 12 Dec 2013 at 6:46 pm 977.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Is it legal or moral? Don’t confuse the two silly”

    lol!!!! Impossible to please atheist. Agnus not long ago claimed laws and culture determined morality and now Dippy has a spell when we link the two!

    lol!!!

    “Was it moral to drop the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki”

    You can’t even tell me when stealing is OK! Lol!!! Much less deal with the morality of war!

    Now you claim stoning is immoral? When and Why?Prediction: No answer!

    lol!!!!

    This is like Dawkins God Delusion. First half he argues against moral absolutes. Second half, he gives you moral absolutes.

    ROTFL!!!!!

  978. on 12 Dec 2013 at 7:22 pm 978.alex said …

    “You can’t even tell me when stealing is OK!”

    because atheists refuse your bullshit games. it is your position that bible morals are absolute, yes? when pointed out that it’s not, your retort is “why not?”. you’re a dumbass.

    a bullshiter posits that “all animals fly”. nope, somebody points out that cows don’t. hor hollers. “you can’t even tell me why cows can’t fly! I win”.

    what a moron.

  979. on 12 Dec 2013 at 8:07 pm 979.Dippy said …

    “You can’t even tell me when stealing is OK! Lol!!! Much less deal with the morality of war!

    Now you claim stoning is immoral? When and Why?”

    So, no answer from your absolute code of morality?
    What do you mean “deal with the morality of war?” according to you, it is either moral or it isn’t.. it doesn’t depend, so there is nothing to “deal with”. LOL, you don’t even understand the implications of your own claims! Such a hot mess of contradictions. No wonder you can’t discuss anything honestly. You’ve got your head so far up your ass you don’t know which way is up… LOL!

    I have given you several hypotheticals of when stealing would be moral… there isn’t a list! LOL.. you don’t get it at all. YOU are the one with the absolute moral code and you expect absolute answers from people who say there is no such thing. That’s no different from your usual brain dead demands that someone disprove the magical properties of your imaginary god.
    Whay can’t you answer ANY questions about the specifics of your moral code, ever?
    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  980. on 12 Dec 2013 at 8:19 pm 980.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Whay can’t you answer ANY questions about the specifics of your moral code, ever?”

    why? No absolutes correct? Therefore no matter what I claim it can be considered moral……..always……..because there are NO absolutes.

    Whay!!! Silly Dippy, can’t even see your own implications of you’d stupidity.

    lol!!!! Like how you picked up my lols and my usage of silly. Its an honor teaching you about the ToE too!!

    lol!!!!!!

  981. on 12 Dec 2013 at 8:44 pm 981.Dippy said …

    980.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Whay can’t you answer ANY questions about the specifics of your moral code, ever?”

    “why? No absolutes correct?”

    Well, based on your avoidance of the questions, it would certainly appear so.
    Thanks for making my point… LOL indeed.

    The only “thing” you taught me is how dishonest and devious a christian with an absolute code of morality can be when backed into a corner with no way out. Feeling desperate now?

    Easy way to get out and shut us all up… answer the questions and dazzle us with the brilliance of your god given absolute code of morality. Here’s your chance………..

  982. on 12 Dec 2013 at 8:48 pm 982.Dippy said …

    Now, shall we try again? Here is your chance to shine Mr. ASStrophysicist. Your god has provided you in concrete form, a code of morality with no conditions and no variations… absolute. So:

    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  983. on 12 Dec 2013 at 9:51 pm 983.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “dishonest and devious”

    No such thing in atheist world.

    “Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.”

    Define OK. Define force. Give me a reason why this would be wrong.

    Agnus told us earlier he disagreed with you. Lying to him is wrong. So, which is it in atheist land?

  984. on 12 Dec 2013 at 10:33 pm 984.Dippy said …

    983.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “dishonest and devious”

    No such thing in atheist world.

    A lie. A dishonest and devious one.

    “Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.”

    Define OK. Define force. Give me a reason why this would be wrong.

    Why should I give you a reason why this would be wrong? You are the one with the absolute moral code. I want to know what it says. You don’t know what “OK” or “force” means? Are you illiterate?

    Agnus told us earlier he disagreed with you. Lying to him is wrong. So, which is it in atheist land?

    No, he said he disagreed with the lie you made up about what I said. Not the same thing there, assman… you are pathetic. Have you wet your pants trying to think of ways to avoid the questions?
    Let’s try again and try to be a big boy and come up with some answers:
    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  985. on 13 Dec 2013 at 12:22 am 985.alex said …

    And now!, my first draft of the Book of Hor: http://goo.gl/bDTMVq Starring:

    A40Y-HorX-Troll – Hor busted as 40Year, so in a lame attempt, he renames himself, but his comments give him away.

    Martin – a pseudo made up intellect, but predictably busted, he comes back as the?

    Science Guy – It’s too easy. His moronic comments are too obvious. Called out, he resurfaces as:

    Ths Sckence guy – Wow! he blames it on his spell checker, but he’s too stupid to know the checker works the other way. Ok. I admit, I’m lying on this one. An atheist lying is god proof?

    Biff – An earlier attempt to fluff himself. Failed miserably.

    The Hor – the one and only.

    Please review and post back. If you can point out that some of the entries are not Hor, I will take them out.

    Also, please point out the astrodumbshitphysicist. I couldn’t find his comments.

    Hor, you claim I have too much time? Have you checked the list? This book ain’t that hard to compile. I do this shit while waiting for my programs to compile.

    This book is not made up. Click on the link entries and you’ll see them in the original wwgha site.

    ciao, hor, motherfucker

  986. on 13 Dec 2013 at 12:32 am 986.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    “Messy says your code says it is… is he right?”

    lol!!!! He has to be right?..nothing is absolute in atheist land. So tell me, is Mess right?

    why does Agnus disagree with you about lying? He is quite clear he distress with you? Why?

  987. on 13 Dec 2013 at 12:51 am 987.alex said …

    Added Xenon to the Book of Hor http://goo.gl/bDTMVq

    Checking 40 year atheist, but I’m not sure.

    Why would Hor hijacked the moniker? But 40 year atheist did disappear.

  988. on 13 Dec 2013 at 1:35 am 988.Ths Sckence Guy said …

    Um, alex

    I am A, also Science Guy, Ths Sckence Guy and A40Y-HorX-Troll. Geez just ask. I’ll save you the trouble. But stay busy, idle hands…..

    And, no, I didn’t click you link…lol!!!!!. Maybe when I was a Jr High student Hey, link me with any name you like slick…. .

    ROTFL!!!! Wow!!!

  989. on 13 Dec 2013 at 2:00 am 989.alex said …

    “And, no, I didn’t click you link”

    of course, you didn’t. just like you didn’t click on the numerous articles about evolution crapping on your creationism, about geography crapping on your biblical flood, about history crapping on you jesus bullshit and other useful links.

    “I am A, also Science Guy, Ths Sckence Guy and A40Y-HorX-Troll.”

    you left out biff, xenon, martin, and of course, the hor.

    “But stay busy, idle hands…..”

    har! har! motherfucker. your comments total up to 67kb. any idea how many comments you’ve posted? it’s not that difficult to analyze your shit. you keep trying to say it takes a lot of time, but it doesn’t.

    i can do this shit while i’m working at home. for my next trick i will sort all your comments by time sequence. then we’ll see how much time you really spend on this blog, A40Y-HorX-Troll|martin|science guy|ths sckence guy|biff|the hor|xenon, motherfucker.

  990. on 13 Dec 2013 at 2:08 pm 990.Angus and Alexis said …

    IIRC, he was also Xenon.

  991. on 13 Dec 2013 at 5:11 pm 991.Dippy said …

    and Curmudgeon, Biff, Boz, and probably a few others as well.

    He never masqueraded and Ass or Astrophysicist. He was awarded that moniker when in the course of some discussion he claimed to be an astrophysicist. But, he spelled astrophysicist with a capital “A”, and that, along with his complete and total ignorance of the scientific method, was simply a lie meant to try and give credibility to his insanity.

    “A” is a very tragic individual who seeks nothing but attention and approval. So much so that he must invent an invisible army of allies, who curiously, consistently use the same logical fallacies, figures of speech, grammatical errors, and childish tactics. This makes his sock puppets very easy to spot. Notice how he continually misstates facts “everything is moral according to atheists”, “Dippy says lying is perfectly ok” even when he is corrected. This refusal to actually engage or debate anyone on an honest, earnest basis is the hallmark you can always recognize.

    Frankly, in the past I did not suspect that A/Hor/Curm was in fact 40year. Their writing styles are different. “A”‘s is childlike, featuring disjointed thoughts and juvenile attempts at mockery. 40yr’s is overwrought and torturous, with an attempt to try to hide logical fallacies and false assumption behind a thesaurus of word salad and woo-woo mumbo jumbo.

    But he outed himself on that one on a couple occasions when he was caught replying in his Hor personality and style under the 40yr moniker. 40yr never actually replies or engages in conversation here, her only cut and pastes his verbal diarrhea verbatim from his crazy ass website/manifesto.

    I suspect because his writing style on the 40yr website is carefully crafted, and likely largely plagiarized from other sources, and he does not have the ability or intellectual capacity to engage anyone in real time in the 40yr persona.

    So, that’s his story. I suspect he is in actuality some kind of minister or self anointed spiritualist. His underlying attitude of entitlement and superiority is in keeping with the personality traits that often attract someone to this calling. Pompous and self absorbed.

  992. on 13 Dec 2013 at 7:07 pm 992.A40Y-HorX-Troll|martin|science guy|ths sckence guy|biff|the hor|xenon said …

    ROTFL,

    Wow!!

    what a great story. It is easier t discuss people rather than ideas forge the low IQ. Lol!!!!!

    So as 40, I run that website, plagerize, and then come here and expose the fallacies, illogical beliefs and the continual dodging of questions?

    I dunno Dip, that seems a stretch. But I did agree I was everyone on the site so OK…..will that get you to answer even one question like when is it OK to lie?

    Prediction: No! lol!!!!!

  993. on 13 Dec 2013 at 7:20 pm 993.alex said …

    “But I did agree I was everyone on the site…”

    but you’re not. you’re just saying that to try to throw off the fact that you’re a multiple posting piece of shit.

  994. on 13 Dec 2013 at 7:27 pm 994.alex said …

    “It is easier t discuss people…”

    you’re a moron. what is so different about your post, you stupid shit? that fact that you got busted many many times is really getting to ya, ain’t it?

    don’t worry. the “Book of Hor” is gonna get better. as dpk pointed out, i’ve also included Curmudgeon and Boz.

    but you won’t click on the link, because you’re afraid. who’s afraid of a damn link? who’s afraid to die? theists! dat why they make up skydaddy! har!

  995. on 13 Dec 2013 at 7:41 pm 995.Dippy said …

    “…..will that get you to answer even one question like when is it OK to lie?”

    It is ok to lie when the consequences of lying would cause more good than harm. ie.. when the stormtroopers come to the door, it is perfectly moral to say “Sorry, Mr. Genocidal Manic, there are no (jews, christians, escaped slaves, atheists, abortion doctors, witches, pagans, muslims, etc…) hiding in my basement. Go look elsewhere.”
    vs “I cannot tell a lie, Mr. Genocidal Maniac. There are indeed innocent people you wish to slaughter hiding in my basement behind the furnace. I feel so much better doing what Jesus would want and being always truthful.”

    I take it you disagree? In which case you are an imbicle.

    Now for someone who admonishes “will that get you to answer even one question”? Shall we review ALL the questions you have been asked repeatedly that you have refused to answer? Or perhaps, in the interest of brevity, since that would be a very. very lengthy list indeed, lets just focus on the most recent ones:

    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  996. on 13 Dec 2013 at 8:06 pm 996..A40Y-HorX-Troll|martin|science guy|ths sckence guy|biff|the hor|xenon said …

    “It is ok to lie when the consequences of lying would cause more good than harm.”

    Hmmmmmm……Yes, I get storm-troopers often…lol!!!…….Interesting……..so how would one define “good” and “harm”. You are just taking MORE vague words that are again……..relative.

    Would it be OK for Hitler to lie to the German people to cleanse them from the filthy Jews as he saw them? Hitler was doing “good” and preventing “harm” to the German people in his mind. That’s OK, huh Dippy?

    Nope, that doesn’t work slick. Try again.

    Your question:

    “Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist”

    I take it you think this is like a Biblical command for Christians to follow, is this correct? Sorry, not familiar with it. Hmmmm………….. well from the atheist perspective, tell me why this is wrong so we can be on the same terms here.

  997. on 13 Dec 2013 at 9:14 pm 997.Dippy said …

    “Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist”

    I take it you think this is like a Biblical command for Christians to follow, is this correct? Sorry, not familiar with it.

    No, that is what your fellow theist Messenger said was “a very good law” garnished from the “absolute” code of morality handed down by your god. Where he got it I have no idea? I take it you disagree?

    Now, explain how an absolute “code of morality” can be interpreted differently by different people? That’s not possible, is it?

    Then, lets have the specifics of your absolute code of morality about the questions you are so desperately trying to avoid. And “define “good and harm” is not an answer. Your absolute code of morality should be very specific about what is allowed and what is not. So… answer the questions:
    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  998. on 13 Dec 2013 at 9:21 pm 998.Dippy said …

    “Would it be OK for Hitler to lie to the German people to cleanse them from the filthy Jews as he saw them? Hitler was doing “good” and preventing “harm” to the German people in his mind.”

    hahaha… so what you seem to be saying is that sometimes lying is the more moral thing to do and sometimes it isn’t… it that your point? Very good! It can be difficult at times to make an assesment… which is why having an absolute and unchanging code of morality would certainly be a handy thing to have.
    Since you have one… what does it say?

  999. on 14 Dec 2013 at 12:33 am 999.alex said …

    “Since you have one… what does it say?”

    he knows damn well, it doesn’t exists. the talking donkey is euphemism, he already admitted that genesis is interpretive, why not admit the fucking morals are bullshit?

    oh, i ferget. just another bullshit brick in the wall. you’re gonna ask me to quote the genesis interpretive? look in the “Book of Hor”.

  1000. on 14 Dec 2013 at 1:22 am 1000.Dippy said …

    “Since you have one… what does it say?”
    he knows damn well, it doesn’t exists…..

    Yes, but I take a distinctly amoral pleasure in watching him continually twist in the wind.
    He knows that if he gives any rope, or engages in any HONEST discourse, he will hang himself… That it why he is strident about NEVER directly answering any questions about his god, his gods properties, or any specifics about what his god actually directs.
    He knows that any specific statement, at all, will demolish his fragile delusion.

  1001. on 14 Dec 2013 at 8:57 am 1001.alex said …

    nother example of the pseudo xtian brotherly love demonstrated by the morons, who was ordered by a judge to take down the fucked up cross overlooking san diego.

    atheists would protest the same if the muslims did the same thing, but the xtians can’t see the shit.

    there’s hope yet. Clergy Tax-Free Housing Allowance Ruled Unconstitutional. now, take the cross down. did my part. convinced my fellow workers that prominently placing crosses at work are offensive. being reasonable, they took it down.

    no agenda here, just trying to get along.

  1002. on 14 Dec 2013 at 2:01 pm 1002.Eveyone said …

    Dip said “hahaha”

    I would do the same except what Hitler did was not funny So you are acknowledging Hitler was moral in atheist land? Hitler was doing “good” and preventing “harm” to the German people in his mind.”. Therefore it was moral. Wow!!

    You are a sock little puppy Dip.

  1003. on 14 Dec 2013 at 3:43 pm 1003.alex said …

    as hor’s bullshit position on bible morals is exposed once again, he resorts back to his time tried tradition, lying. it’s laughable that you ask if atheists think that hitler is moral, but of course it’s classic hor maneuver.

    everyone here can see that your lying is symptomatic. you get owned and you lie as a diversion. i know you’re gonna ask me to prove it, so here it is.

    wanna hear about delusion? intrigue? tragedy? love? hate? multiple personalities?

    read “The Book of Hor”. marvel at the stupidity! show it your kids and use it as a case study. submit it to your religious authority and let them conclude that hor’s comments are truly, truly the representative truth and absolutely in line with the religious thinking.

    har, motherfucker! changed your moniker again, eh? just another chapter in your book, you asshole. bravo.

  1004. on 14 Dec 2013 at 4:40 pm 1004.Dippy said …

    “You are a sock little puppy Dip.”

    Ok, I’m not even going to pretend to understand what that is even supposed to mean… sober up before you write next time.

    “So you are acknowledging Hitler was moral in atheist land? Hitler was doing “good” and preventing “harm” to the German people in his mind.”. Therefore it was moral.”

    Again you miss the point. Does this somehow imply that it is therefore ALWAYS immoral to lie? What exactly does you absolute code of morality say?? It would really be helpful to us if you would show it to us, because then we could examine it to see if it is really absolute. All the examples you give would seem to indicate that it is very , very relative.

    Since you are very secretive about letting anyone else see this code of morality that you claim your god gave you (is it that you need special seer stones or magic glasses to read it?) the least you can do is tell us what it directs. Let’s try again:

    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right? The bible says this is only fair because it is necessary to compensate the woman’s father because he now has “damaged goods” and won’t be able to sell his daughter for a good price. Morally, is that correct?

    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    The bible says you can take and own slaves from other lands, but must treat them well and never beat them to a point that they can’t get up and work after 3 days. Is that what you think the code of morality says.

    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. The bible says “Don’t murder” and dropping a weapon of mass destruction on a city filled with civilians is clearly murder, but doing so no doubt ultimately saved hundreds of thousands of lives. So is that morally allowed, or not?
    Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  1005. on 14 Dec 2013 at 7:33 pm 1005.Everyone said …

    “Again you miss the point”

    No not at all. We used your standard for lying to Hitler’s actions.

    Hitler claims he was “good” and preventing “harm”.

    Therefore according to Dippy, Hitler was moral in his actions.

    Dippy is a very sock (lol!) puppy.

    Seems WWGHA blog is on its last legs.

    Have a Merry Christmas.

  1006. on 14 Dec 2013 at 8:25 pm 1006.Puppy Dip said …

    “Hitler claims he was “good” and preventing “harm”.”

    Really? I mus have missed this. Where did Hitler supposedly say this?

    “Therefore according to Dippy, Hitler was moral in his actions.”

    Really, where did I say that?

    “Dippy is a very sock (lol!) puppy.”

    What is a “sock puppy”? In the last post you said I was a “puppy dip”. WTF is a puppy dip?

    Now, it seems actually that your absolute code of morality is about as true as “If you like your health coverage, you can keep it, period.”

    So tell us why you refuse to answer the questions? For someone with a handy dandy pocket code of absolute morality that is supposed to make things perfectly clear, you seem very confused.

    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right? The bible says this is only fair because it is necessary to compensate the woman’s father because he now has “damaged goods” and won’t be able to sell his daughter for a good price. Morally, is that correct?

    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    The bible says you can take and own slaves from other lands, but must treat them well and never beat them to a point that they can’t get up and work after 3 days. Is that what you think the code of morality says.

    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. The bible says “Don’t murder” and dropping a weapon of mass destruction on a city filled with civilians is clearly murder, but doing so no doubt ultimately saved hundreds of thousands of lives. So is that morally allowed, or not?
    Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

  1007. on 14 Dec 2013 at 9:54 pm 1007.Eveyone said …

    ‘Really? I mus have missed this. Where did Hitler supposedly say this?”

    ROFL!!!! Seriously……you don’t even know the basics regarding the rise of Nazism in Germany in the 1930s? Lol!!!

    Well let us get around your ignorance on the subject.

    If Hitler thought his actions were “good” for the human race and was preventing “harm” to the human race……were his actions moral?

    Its your own stated criteria bud, can you support it?

  1008. on 14 Dec 2013 at 11:15 pm 1008.Dippy said …

    Where did I say that if you think your actions are good, that makes them good?
    You are very confused. Remember now, YOU are the only one here, except for the obviously deranged messenger, that claims to have an absolute, unconditional code of morality, so tell us:
    Is it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist.. Messy says your code says it is… is he right? The bible says this is only fair because it is necessary to compensate the woman’s father because he now has “damaged goods” and won’t be able to sell his daughter for a good price. Morally, is that correct?
    Is it ok to own slaves and force them to work to support your family? Messy says if you can’t work yourself, then that is just fine.. is he right?
    The bible says you can take and own slaves from other lands, but must treat them well and never beat them to a point that they can’t get up and work after 3 days. Is that what you think the code of morality says.
    Hiroshima… right or wrong… tell us what your absolute morality says. The bible says “Don’t murder” and dropping a weapon of mass destruction on a city filled with civilians is clearly murder, but doing so no doubt ultimately saved hundreds of thousands of lives. So is that morally allowed, or not?
    Why can’t you do this? We are not asking for a debate or a discussion about it.. nothing to “deal with” we just want to know flat out… right or wrong, and is there any possibility that 2 moral people in good conscious, both following your Christian code of morality, could possibly disagree? Yes, or No?

    Once we know what your god given code actually says, perhaps we can determine if it is indeed absolute. Really can’t understand why this is such an insurmountable problem for you, and why you are SO DESPERATE to change the subject. What next? Biogenesis? Lol!

  1009. on 15 Dec 2013 at 12:16 am 1009.Everyone said …

    Dippy!!

    Alright forgot your words eh? Let me share what you said:

    “It is ok to lie when the consequences of lying would cause more good than harm.”

    These are your words.

    Wouldn’t this apply for Hitler too?

    Maybe you mean it is only moral if YOU THINK it is “Good” and causes no “harm”?

  1010. on 15 Dec 2013 at 1:42 am 1010.Dippy said …

    Not the same ing there, is it, Hor? Lol. You’re so dense.

    So, no answers from your absolute moral code huh?
    What good is it ?

    Seems it doesn’t give you any answers, only questions. Lol.

    You’re such a bundle of contradictions?
    I’d offer to let you try again, but it appears I’m just wasting bandwidth, as you have no answers.

    Let’s leave it at that. Your absolute code of morality offers nothing absolute, and nothing moral. I ink they cal it vaporware. Unless you are willing to actually show it doesn’t, I declare you defeated, and your absolute moral code non existent.

  1011. on 15 Dec 2013 at 3:32 am 1011.Angus and Alexis said …

    You know what, screw this, Hor is adding nothing to the debate, doing nothing more than ask, ask and ask, while we have to decipher his retarded arguments.

    Back on topic.

    So with the subject of prayer, do you have any reasons as to why it has been proven to have no effect?

  1012. on 15 Dec 2013 at 4:14 am 1012.Eveyone said …

    There we have it readers. Dippys own words declare Hitler moral within the atheist worldview. Yes, these people like Dip do exist in our world.

    Sad really……

  1013. on 15 Dec 2013 at 4:45 am 1013.Dippy said …

    Agreed, he’s a waste of time. Done with him and his despicable lies. If he had anything to add to the discussion he wouldn’t be so cowardly and devious. Ignore him.

    I don’t understand Christian’s absolutely insane attitude about prayer.
    Just today I was looking at Facebook posts for a local child we know who has undergone over 200 brain surgeries. She is currently in the hospital having another crisis and has had 4 surgeries in 3 days…. And the comments on Facebook? “We know god is looking out for you… Prayers work!”
    Really? If 200+ brain surgeries before you’re 12 is god looking out for you, I think I’d prefer he ignores me for a while! Seems you forget that if you believe in an almighty god, you’ve got to believe he gave you the fucking brain cancer in the first place!
    Really, why can’t they see the insanity of what they say and think?

  1014. on 15 Dec 2013 at 8:49 am 1014.alex said …

    god is faithful because he’ll forgive any fucking thing these theists will do. pastor rapes girl because devil was inside them http://goo.gl/vqUSgt. the dumbass (we know who) and his other dumbass buddy, messenger will look at this and say, the pastor is not a real xtian because he’s black, blah, blah. just like the desperation morality playBook, the idiots cling to the notion of the “Real xtian Book”. the beauty of this book is that the motherfuckers can make up the contents as they go along. very similar to the “Real moslem ????”, the xtian book is universally loved by all the faithful. why the hell not? you get to set the criteria that determines who’s a real xtian! it explains the countless list of idiots: mormons, catholics, lutherans, oh my!

    remember, the “Book of Hor” is coming. it’ll chronicle his deepest thoughts as he battle all the evil atheists in the wwgha blog land. chameleon like, hor frequently changes his moniker in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. his nicknames:

    A40Y-HorX-Troll
    martin
    science guy
    ths sckence guy
    biff
    the hor
    xenon
    A40Y-HorX-Troll|martin|science guy|ths sckence guy|biff|the hor|xenon
    .A40Y-HorX-Troll|martin|science guy|ths sckence guy|biff|the hor|xenon
    Eveyone

    you’ll be amazed and sickened at the same time! by listing his comments chronologically, it’s obvious that the dumbass is deeply tormented as he lashes out by constantly posting under different names. but the archives don’t lie. look for it! “The Book of Hor!”.

  1015. on 15 Dec 2013 at 2:54 pm 1015.Dippy said …

    I posted a link a few post above.. It is still “awaiting moderation”… It seems the moderators have abandoned this section.
    Anyway, if it ever shows up, it is really worth a read. It is a Christian discussion forum and they are discussing the problematic idea that messenger supported of forcing women to marry their rapists.
    The comments from the “saved” are truly eye opening. These are paraphrased, but the ideas are actual:
    “If a woman gets raped, she must have been asking for it, so yeah, she should share the punishment.”
    ” the law is actually to protect the father, who can no longer get a decent dowry for his daughter because she is damaged goods. Why shouldn’t the rapist be forced to support his daughter, since who is going to want to marry her now?
    “I’m a true Christian, so I KNOW I will never be raped, because Jesus is protecting me. If a woman gets raped, that means she couldn’t have been a Christian, so it’s her fault.”
    “Before I became saved, I used to try and figure out what god meant by many things in the bible, and would seek out people to ‘interpret’ gods word for me. Once I became saved, I realized gods word is gods word, and we have no right to interpret it. He said what he said, and that is what he meant. ”
    Which has been my point all along. An all powerful being would not say slavery is ok if it wasn’t. There wouldn’t be things that used to be ok, but now aren’t. If there was an absolute morality, it would be, well… Absolute. And if he promised to answer prayers, it would be obvious to anyone that he does.

  1016. on 15 Dec 2013 at 3:57 pm 1016.alex said …

    The Book of Hor, a chronological sequence of Hor comments: http://goo.gl/bDTMVq

    Watch how xenon, morphs into martin and eventually as “Eveyone”. Marvel at his moronic posts as he desperately clings to his god. Unable to summon god to strike the hated atheists, he resorts to trashing this blog with his nonsensical crap.

    Coming soon in the Book of Hor, comment on Hor’s ridiculous comments. Of course, Hor is welcome to comment on his own comment, but that would be too funny.

    Go ahead check it out! Outrageous, dangerous and most of all delusional. Hor, baby.
    http://goo.gl/bDTMVq

  1017. on 15 Dec 2013 at 6:32 pm 1017.alex said …

    happy fucking sunday! once again, i was reminded by one of the church going crowd, that this is an xtian country and if i don’t like it…..

    why is it, that with all the xtian motherfuckers in the land, i can’t recall a single court case where the defendant got off when pleading “innocent on the account of that god made him do it”?

    touchdowns, cures, jobs, winning the lottery, disasters, blah this, blah that, are attributable to the fucking magic sky daddy, but never, never, do the morons stick to their guns and say, “hey! let him go. god made him do it”.

    xtian country, my ass.

  1018. on 15 Dec 2013 at 7:31 pm 1018.Puppy Dip said …

    but never, never, do the morons stick to their guns and say, “hey! let him go. god made him do it”.

    Because the great divide between what they claim to believe and what they actually know is true. They all claim they talk to god every day, he is their friend, but when one of them claims god talks back to him, they know he’s crazy! Why? Because god doesn’t do that? The bible is full of stories of god talking to people. Can’t be that. It’s because they know that in the real world, god is imaginary, but in their make believe Sunday world they all pretend to each other that he is real… and speak of it with great reverence.
    Same thing when the theists tell you about the “many” scientists who believe in god. Yet, not a one of them has ever published a scientific theory in which “then god performs a miracle” is a part. Yet they will tell you they believe god performs miracles everyday… but their work in understanding the nature of the real world knows he does not.

  1019. on 16 Dec 2013 at 1:01 am 1019.the messenger said …

    1048.alex, you see GOD as a tyrant.

    you are mistaken.

    he died for us. There is no greater show of love than that.

  1020. on 16 Dec 2013 at 1:44 am 1020.alex said …

    “you see GOD as a tyrant.”

    messy jealous of the “Book of Hor”? you want your own book? how about i publish your comments as “The Book of Messenger”. then I can combine yours and hor’s into the “Sacred Book of Morons”.

    any other theist moron want their own book for inclusion?

  1021. on 16 Dec 2013 at 1:52 am 1021.Angus and Alexis said …

    “he died for us.”

    ERRRRRRRRRRRRrr, wrong.

    Jesus died to get rid of sins, which was caused by god himself. Thus he sacrificed himself to himself for what he did.

  1022. on 16 Dec 2013 at 2:28 am 1022.Eveyone said …

    “ERRRRRRRRRRRRrr, wrong.”

    Lol!!!!! Arrogant atheist telling others they have their belief in God all wrong!!

    Lol!!!!!

    Hilarious stuff, goes to show atheists really do believe which is why they are so passionate about telling others they are wrong.

  1023. on 16 Dec 2013 at 2:47 am 1023.alex said …

    if it pleases the court, i plead “not guilty on account that god made me do it. i’m counting on all the xtians on the jury to find me not guilty because we all believe in the same god”.

    xtian jury: you crazy motherfucker! save that shit for church and for the wwgha blog. guilty! guilty! guilty!

    silly atheists, always telling the xtians that god doesn’t really talk to them…

    prove me wrong, dumbasses. find me a court case where your so called xtian majority juries have found somebody innocent by reason of god telling them to do it? insanity maybe, lol that.

    hor: define jury! define court! define innocent!
    camaros, chevys, oh my!

  1024. on 16 Dec 2013 at 3:05 am 1024.Everyone said …

    “camaros, chevys, oh my!”

    Hahahahaha, Oh Alexander, Camaros are Chevys silly!

    You are so cute! Listen, do get some help for your anger/bipolar disorder during the Christmas season. Don’t want to see you end up hurting yourself or others.

    Mary Christmas Alexander!

  1025. on 16 Dec 2013 at 3:15 am 1025.alex said …

    guilty, motherfucker! where are all the so called good xtian believers that found the defendant innocent because god made him do it?

    chirp, chirp?

    stay away from the women, hor. wouldn’t want you to try that rape defense that messenger adores. “prove that i said that”, he protests. uhmm, you did say it was “a good law”?

  1026. on 16 Dec 2013 at 3:26 am 1026.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Lol!!!!! Arrogant atheist telling others they have their belief in God all wrong!!”

    Its not a matter of belief, its a matter of what is written in the bible.

    God allowed sin to come into existence, thus his attempt to get rid of sin was making up for what he already did.

  1027. on 16 Dec 2013 at 9:14 pm 1027.the messenger said …

    1021.Angus and Alexis, GOD created humans and wanted to help them achieve moral perfection(kinder, loving, forgiving, humble, understanding).

    GOD suffered and died on the cross so that the new covenant would be started, and so all humans can go to heaven.

    He died so that we can achieve moral perfection and enter paradise.

    GOD loves us and wants us to be kind, humble, loving, forgiving, compassionate, and to live in paradise.

    Everything that he does is for us. he gives us paradise, be greatful.

  1028. on 16 Dec 2013 at 11:30 pm 1028.Muslim said …

    1021.Angus and Alexis, Allah created humans and wanted to help them achieve moral perfection(kinder, loving, forgiving, humble, understanding).

    Allah loves us and wants us to be kind, humble, loving, forgiving, compassionate, and to live in paradise.

    Everything that he does is for us. he gives us paradise, be greatful.

  1029. on 16 Dec 2013 at 11:31 pm 1029.Viking said …

    1021.Angus and Alexis, Odin created humans and wanted to help them achieve moral perfection(kinder, loving, forgiving, humble, understanding).

    Odin loves us and wants us to be kind, humble, loving, forgiving, compassionate, and to live in paradise.

    Everything that he does is for us. he gives us paradise, be greatful.

  1030. on 16 Dec 2013 at 11:41 pm 1030.alex said …

    “Everything that he does is for us. he gives us paradise, be greatful.”

    and he also gives women the gift of getting raped and getting married to the perp, as fantasized by the shitfuck, messenger.

    your honor, the bileble says, i takes the biatches and i be rapin accordingly. then i taketh the finest ones and they be mrs. messenger.

    it’s a good law, the motherfucker says…..

  1031. on 17 Dec 2013 at 12:00 am 1031.Puppy Dip said …

    “GOD suffered and died on the cross so that the new covenant would be started, and so all humans can go to heaven.”

    How is it possible for an eternal, immortal creature to “suffer and die” in the first place? And second, who deemed this a requirement for us to achieve paradise? God is supposedly omnipotent… why was this supposed human sacrifice required, and who required it? Him? LOL… that’s the height of stupidity.

    Kind of a stupid idea, especially since he supposedly created man and knew in advance exactly what would happen. When you are omnipotent and omniscient… sorry, all the blame by default falls back to you. If God required himself to sacrifice himself to himself to atone for some ancient human behaving exactly the way god created him to behave… how is that my problem? Your god seems very psychotic.

    Your god, if he were real, would be deemed a complete loon. Sounds way more like a man made myth to me. LOL

  1032. on 17 Dec 2013 at 3:57 am 1032.Angus and Alexis said …

    “1021.Angus and Alexis, GOD created humans and wanted to help them achieve moral perfection(kinder, loving, forgiving, humble, understanding).”

    Please explain how you think an omnipotent god can FAIL at something.

    “GOD suffered and died on the cross so that the new covenant would be started, and so all humans can go to heaven.”

    Already said, but omnipotent, immortal beings cannot suffer.

    “He died so that we can achieve moral perfection and enter paradise.”

    Which obviously has failed.

    “GOD loves us and wants us to be kind, humble, loving, forgiving, compassionate, and to live in paradise.”

    Letting people burn forever is no form of love.

    “Everything that he does is for us. he gives us paradise, be greatful.”

    If you could use your brain at all, you would realize that everlasting paradise eventually will be considered everlasting torture. How would you like to live FOREVER?

  1033. on 17 Dec 2013 at 4:15 am 1033.DPK said …

    I’ve yet to hear a single theist ever explain why, after an infinite time living a perfect existence in a state of infinite perfection, did an omniscient and omnipotent being decide something was missing and decide to create a fucked up race of humans destined for sin, corruption, and disappointment… And say that is was good, before needing a rest.
    Sounds like a screw up god, if you ask me.

  1034. on 17 Dec 2013 at 6:35 am 1034.Angus and Alexis said …

    Which would imply a flawed god.

  1035. on 17 Dec 2013 at 12:12 pm 1035.Everyone said …

    LOL!!!!

    Look!!!, the guys who claim no moral absolutes are passing absolutes on how a deity should suppose to act.

    lol!!!

    No suffering?

    No Corruption

    No Sin

    No Punishment

    They claim no absolutes for themselves but God should have them.

    Precious!

  1036. on 17 Dec 2013 at 12:47 pm 1036.alex said …

    “..guys who claim no moral absolutes are passing absolutes..”

    bullshit. god’s behavior can be justified by many things, which makes it NOT ABSOLUTE, you damn moron.

    do you even know what absolutes are? do atheists say “Absolutely, No Killing”? Then shut the fuck up.

  1037. on 17 Dec 2013 at 1:32 pm 1037.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Look!!!, the guys who claim no moral absolutes are passing absolutes on how a deity should suppose to act.”

    You see, us atheists here do not like the idea of people being crazy murdering rapists, its the result of culture/area/teachings/common sense/etc.

    Hence without the bible we are not running around killing people, unlike what you would apparently do.

    This is why we claim your morals are stupid, as all it would take is one 2000 year old book to be thrown away, and all hell would break loose.

    There are no absolute morals, but many morals are damn well close. How many countries allow murder? Not many, no? This is because logically, people do not like killing each other.

  1038. on 17 Dec 2013 at 5:51 pm 1038.Eveyone said …

    “Hence without the bible we are not running around killing people”

    Butterfly!,

    In language you can understand…..Errrrrrrttrrrr, wrong answer.

    Atheist regimes murdered, torture and persecuted more people in the 20th century than all other people groups in mankind’s history.

    You show incredible ignorance Butterfly. You and Dippy should get a clue. But alas, nothing is immoral do the actions of your brethren is probably Ok, huh?

  1039. on 17 Dec 2013 at 9:22 pm 1039.the messenger said …

    1031.Puppy Dip, GOD came down from heaven and was born into this world as a human. When he was crucified, his human body died(the human body was a part of him), but his spirit still lived. Then after three days he repaired his human body and re entered it, thus coming back from the dead.

    GOD required that he must die in order to open the gates of heaven. GOD did that to show his love for humanity. He could have opened heaven with a snap of his fingers, but he wanted to show us that he would be willing to do anything for us, and that he loves us enouph to suffer and give his own life for us.

    GOD’s plan is for everyone to eventually achieve moral perfection and enter heaven. Life on earth is meant to show us evil so that we will be able to overcome it and become morally strong.

  1040. on 17 Dec 2013 at 9:39 pm 1040.the messenger said …

    1064.DPK, created us because he wants us. He allows evil to exist on earth because he is trying to teach us to avoid and overcome it, thus making us morally perfect. After we are morally perfect, he will bring us up to heaven so that we will live forever in eternal paradise and be happy forever.

  1041. on 17 Dec 2013 at 9:48 pm 1041.the messenger said …

    1063.Angus and Alexis, omniscient mean all knowing. Immortal means the ability to live forever.

    Neither of those words(omniscient, immortal) exclude GOD’s ability to suffer. He is an all powerful being. He can do anything.

  1042. on 17 Dec 2013 at 9:54 pm 1042.the messenger said …

    1036.alex, GOD made those laws for humans to follow. He is bound by no laws.

    You must be high. Stop doing pot, it is bad for your brain.

  1043. on 17 Dec 2013 at 10:37 pm 1043.alex said …

    “Atheist regimes murdered, torture and persecuted more people in the 20th century than all other people groups in mankind’s history.”

    lyin, bitch, motherfucker. here’s your chance. total up your so called atheist regime murders and subtract them from the total. whatever’s left has to be xtian murderers correct?

    spit it out. let’s see.

  1044. on 17 Dec 2013 at 10:38 pm 1044.alex said …

    correction, theist murderers….

  1045. on 17 Dec 2013 at 10:42 pm 1045.alex said …

    since i’m high and messenger is the self motherfucking pope catholic appointee, why doesn’t the bitch ass publicly petition congress so that they can pass a law legalizing the “God made me do it defense”? while you’re at it, publicly petition that congress also pass a law whereby rapists can get off by marrying the victim.

    you think it’ll pass?

  1046. on 18 Dec 2013 at 2:20 am 1046.the messenger said …

    1043.alex, brother, you are so mistaken.

    “everyone” is not a liar.

    Atheists have killed many people.

    Here are some. Joesph Stalin, Fidel Castro, Karl Marx, and Benito Mussolini.

  1047. on 18 Dec 2013 at 2:22 am 1047.the messenger said …

    1076.alex, correction, atheist murderers……..

  1048. on 18 Dec 2013 at 2:36 am 1048.the messenger said …

    1077.alex, when a person commits a crime he must be punished for it so he will learn to not do that evil deed again. That is how GOD teaches us right from wrong. Therefore, I would not support the “God made me do it defense” thing.

    I am not a “self motherfucking pope catholic appointee”. I have never anointed a pope, or anyone in my life.

    If a man rapes a woman, he must bind himself to her and make her life good, and support her for the rest of his life.

  1049. on 18 Dec 2013 at 3:15 am 1049.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Atheist regimes murdered, torture and persecuted more people in the 20th century than all other people groups in mankind’s history.”

    Irrelevant, what one atheist does, and what the next does has no impact on what our morals are.

    It would be like saying all Christians must be bigoted to gays…ohh wait…it says that in the bible, i digress.

    “Here are some. Joesph Stalin, Fidel Castro, Karl Marx, and Benito Mussolini.”

    What does this prove? It proves they were immoral (subjectively), insane bastards.

    I can counter this by saying theists killed a lot of people, Hitler, the crusades, etc.

  1050. on 18 Dec 2013 at 11:51 am 1050.Everyone said …

    “What does this prove? It proves they were immoral (subjectively), insane bastards.”

    Insane? Well they were atheists Butterfly! Ouch! lol!!!!!

    But why were they immoral? Hmmmmm? Because you say so? Why is your morality better than theirs? They believed in Marxist principles and they were making mankind better.

    Why?

  1051. on 18 Dec 2013 at 1:13 pm 1051.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Insane? Well they were atheists Butterfly! Ouch! lol!!!!!”

    You can be an atheist and insane at the same time, you moron.

    The only criteria of “atheist” is the disbelief of a deity.

    “But why were they immoral? Hmmmmm? Because you say so?”

    Yes, and because modern law/majority says so.

    “Why is your morality better than theirs?”

    Majority rules.

    “They believed in Marxist principles and they were making mankind better.”

    Belief is irrelevant, truth is absolute.

  1052. on 18 Dec 2013 at 6:16 pm 1052.Eveyone said …

    “Majority rules.”

    lol, yes but is THAT the new criteria now? So you believe in oppression of the minority?

    Well…….surprise! Bolsheviks ruled in the USSR and where the majority Butterfly. Therefore, as an atheist, you just supported the murder of millions of many innocent people.

    You atheist are really a mess which is why your kind bring carnage, death and destruction

    “Truth is absolute”

    True, but you haven’t a clue what that means or what truth is. You must have seen it on a T-shirt.

    Wow! What a mess!

  1053. on 18 Dec 2013 at 9:53 pm 1053.the messenger said …

    1081.Angus and Alexis, the bible does not say that we must be bigots to anyone.

    The laws of GOD clearly state that we must not have sex with the same gender and this law applies to heterosexual and homosexual people.

    part 1

  1054. on 18 Dec 2013 at 9:53 pm 1054.the messenger said …

    part 2

    Lust causes people to commit rape, child molesting, adultery, and many other bad things.

    So, to prevent the spread of lust, people must reduce there amount of sex by only using sex for reproduction.

  1055. on 18 Dec 2013 at 10:03 pm 1055.the messenger said …

    To summarize nearly all of Alex’s comments, here is a outline of his comments.

    Part1 of alex’s comments. Cuss a lot.

    Part2 of alex’s comments. DCodge the subject by insulting the person that he is debating with

    Part3 alex’s comments. Bring up a different subject to change the conversation.

  1056. on 18 Dec 2013 at 11:52 pm 1056.DPK said …

    “So, to prevent the spread of lust, people must reduce there amount of sex by only using sex for reproduction.”

    Messy, this is why you don’t have a girlfriend.
    LOL……….

  1057. on 19 Dec 2013 at 3:11 am 1057.Everyone said …

    “To summarize nearly all of Alex’s comments”

    That’s easy…..

    “______________________________________”

    I means I rarely bother to read them! LOL!!!!

    I do hope the dude gets help. You know the guys has no friends, a girl or hope. He is the angriest and funniest guys to frequent a blog!

    Mary Christmas All!

  1058. on 19 Dec 2013 at 4:49 am 1058.Angus and Alexis said …

    Hmmm it seems my giant text is not sending…claiming that it looks like spam…

  1059. on 19 Dec 2013 at 4:52 am 1059.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Messenger part 1″

    You fool, by definition a heterosexual person cannot have intercourse with the same gender.

    Thus, you are bigoted towards homosexuals and bisexuals.

    “Messenger part 2″

    Again, moron.
    Lust is a normal human feeling that often causes LOVE in most couples. Because a few nutters go around raping people, does not mean it is bad.

    “Messenger part 2.5″

    Great, you go do that. Now stop pushing your stupid religious beliefs that are contrary to the human condition on us.

    “lol, yes but is THAT the new criteria now? So you believe in oppression of the minority?”

    No, i believe in acceptance of minorities, if for a good cause (so no nazi’s, cannibals, etc).

    “Therefore, as an atheist, you just supported the murder of millions of many innocent people.”

    I do not support it, but the majority at the time supported it, so they did it.

    “You atheist are really a mess which is why your kind bring carnage, death and destruction”

    This is coming from a theist that has about forty thousand different denominations? Heh.

    “True, but you haven’t a clue what that means or what truth is.”

    I know that a magical deity is not the truth.
    Why are you even here may i ask? You stated yourself that you do not want to actual debate, so piss off.

  1060. on 19 Dec 2013 at 4:55 am 1060.Angus and Alexis said …

    Wow.

    You know what?

    It was messengers quotes that made the spam go haywire.
    Renaming them to “messenger part 1/2/2.5″ made it better.

  1061. on 19 Dec 2013 at 12:59 pm 1061.Eveyone said …

    “Lust is a normal human feeling that often causes LOVE in most couples”

    lol!!!!!!, love is caused by lust. Who knew? So the rapist, Alex looking ay his porn are all just on a path to love!

    Butterfly, you should quit while you are behind! Lol!!!

    “No, i believe in acceptance of minorities, if for a good cause (so no nazi’s, cannibals, etc).”

    Define “good”

    “I know that a magical deity is not the truth”

    HOW do you know? Lack of proof is not acceptable answer. Your rejection of accepted proofs is not a truth.

  1062. on 19 Dec 2013 at 2:01 pm 1062.Angus and Alexis said …

    “So the rapist, Alex looking ay his porn are all just on a path to love!”

    What is the boggle with porn?

    “Butterfly, you should quit while you are behind!”

    My username isn’t even fluttershy anymore, you can call me Angus.

    “Define “good”

    Good: to be desired or approved of.

    “Lack of proof is not acceptable answer.”

    Actually, it is an acceptable answer.
    Argument from ignorance are not valid.

    “Your rejection of accepted proofs is not a truth.”

    What accepted proofs?
    Theism has no such things.

  1063. on 19 Dec 2013 at 7:14 pm 1063.Eveyone said …

    “Good: to be desired or approved of”

    lol!! So clueless.

    So Stalin desired to murder so it was good! Lol!!!! SURE Butterfly, whatever you say.

    want proofs for God? Get off the blog, spend some time in books that don’t tell you what you want to hear. Intelligent, confident people can do that.

    Good luck to you mate!

    bye bye

  1064. on 19 Dec 2013 at 7:23 pm 1064.Angus and Alexis said …

    “So Stalin desired to murder so it was good!”

    Subjectively? Yes, it was good in his opinion.

    “want proofs for God? Get off the blog, spend some time in books that don’t tell you what you want to hear. Intelligent, confident people can do that.”

    Heheh, like what? The bible?
    I refuse to read such a fictional, outdated and repulsive thing.

  1065. on 19 Dec 2013 at 9:30 pm 1065.the messenger said …

    1064.Angus and Alexis said..”The bible?
    I refuse to read such a fictional, outdated and repulsive thing.”

    Tell me, how do you know that the bible is fictional, outdated, or repulsive without reading it?

    Do you have any brains at all?

  1066. on 19 Dec 2013 at 9:55 pm 1066.the messenger said …

    1091.Angus and Alexis, lust causes jealousy, rape, adultery, child molesting, and prostitution.

    There is nothing good about it.

    Love between couples can exist with lust.

  1067. on 20 Dec 2013 at 3:32 am 1067.Angus and Alexis said …

    “Tell me, how do you know that the bible is fictional, outdated, or repulsive without reading it?”

    I have read enough of it to make up my mind.

    i refuse, however, to read the whole thing.

    “1091.Angus and Alexis, lust causes jealousy, rape, adultery, child molesting, and prostitution.”

    Lust: strong sexual desire.

    Congrats, you are against human nature.
    Now please go and live your inhuman life elsewhere.

    “Love between couples can exist with lust.”

    Of course, why would love not exist with lust?

  1068. on 20 Dec 2013 at 6:45 pm 1068.Eveyone said …

    Butterfly listens to atheists blogs and that is what makes him so informed. Guys like Butter are sheep, they cannot think for themselves, they can only parrot what other cult members have told them to believe.

    Sad Really.

    Merry Christmas

  1069. on 21 Dec 2013 at 12:22 am 1069.the messenger said …

    1100.Angus and Alexis, tell me, exactly what parts of it did you read?

    If you only read some of it, you won’t understand it’s full message.

  1070. on 21 Dec 2013 at 2:59 am 1070.Angus and Alexis said …

    “1100.Angus and Alexis, tell me, exactly what parts of it did you read?”

    Genesis, odds and ends, noah, more odds and ends.

    “If you only read some of it, you won’t understand it’s full message.”

    I have read enough, reading more would sicken me more.

    “Butterfly listens to atheists blogs and that is what makes him so informed. ”

    Yeah, keep thinking that Hor, because its not true.

    “Guys like Butter are sheep, they cannot think for themselves, they can only parrot what other cult members have told them to believe.”

    This is coming from a theist? You must be sarcastic…this is too ironic to be…

  1071. on 21 Dec 2013 at 6:27 am 1071.Anonymous said …

    the hor:

    they can only parrot what other cult members have told them to believe.

    The perfect description of bible studies and of going to church.

    Merry Krampus everyone!!

  1072. on 21 Dec 2013 at 4:48 pm 1072.DPK said …

    1069.the messenger said …

    “1100.Angus and Alexis, tell me, exactly what parts of it did you read?

    If you only read some of it, you won’t understand it’s full message.”

    Messy, I have read the whole thing… twice in fact. Which leads me to conclude that you have not… LOL.
    Being spoon fed bits and pieces in bible class with someone there to explain to you what god “really meant” is not “reading the bible”. That is rather being taught to “parrot what other cult members have told [you] to believe.”

  1073. on 22 Dec 2013 at 6:33 pm 1073.the messenger said …

    1103.Angus and Alexis, how is genises an “odds and ends”?

    How is the creation of the universe unimportant?

    How is the beginning of the jewish people unimportant?

    How is the bigest flood in history and the first sin unimportant?

  1074. on 22 Dec 2013 at 6:49 pm 1074.the messenger said …

    1105.DPK, everything that the preists have told me, I have confirmed by reading and researching it.

    I have read the whole thing as well.

    Everything that I believe about the bible is backed up by text evidence that I have found.

    Each verse is not an individual message. The bible is a collective message made from many verses together.

    You might have read it, but you fail to understand it.

    What version did you read?

  1075. on 22 Dec 2013 at 6:59 pm 1075.Angus and Alexis said …

    “How is the creation of the universe unimportant?”

    What good does it do for humanity? Zilch.
    Although, the bible is not a factual book, so it does not describe the creation of the universe.

    “How is the beginning of the jewish people unimportant?”

    How is it IMPORTANT?
    The beginning of some random religion has no importance in today’s word.

    “How is the bigest flood in history and the first sin unimportant?”

    Sin doesn’t exist, and the flood also never happened.

  1076. on 24 Dec 2013 at 4:29 pm 1076.alex said …

    alahu ekber, motherfuckers, and a merry eid. change your ways and allah will bless you. heavenly muslim virgins will rock your world.

    you like that shit? no? then stop the xtian shit.

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