Christianity Thomas on 05 Jan 2013 12:05 am
The insanity of religion – “God is faithful”
Here is an article that claims God will never let you down:
So remember that regardless to what difficult and seemingly impossible situations are pressing in on you, just know that God won’t let you down because He is faithful.
Imagine the level of insanity it takes to make a statement like this. Every year, 10 million kids die of things like starvation. More than half a million Americans died of heart disease last year, and another half million of cancer. 100,000 people died in accidents. And then there are the mass murders at places like Sandy Hook school. Was God “faithful” in any of these deaths? Clearly not!
Whatever the cause of your crisis be it unemployment, marital problems, sickness, etc. although things around you and even your emotions change, God doesn’t because He is faithful….
So why are you worried? You cast doubt on God’s very nature when doubting the outcome after placing the situation in His hands.
God is true to Himself and His righteous nature. His word will produce the results of His promises due to His faithfulness to His word and you can expect the results of His promises when applying the word to your life. His promises are sure and trustworthy.
So think about this. You are sick, you pray, you go to the doctor. First, why do you need to see a doctor if God is faithful? Second, last year about 200,000 people who did see a doctor died in the U.S. because of medical errors. What wonderful, faithful God would allow that?
The only way to say “god is faithful” is to completely ignore reality. Where does this level of insanity come from?
on 05 Jan 2013 at 8:32 pm 1.BrianE said …
“Where does this level of insanity come from?”
Early indoctrination. It should be illegal to take a child to church until they’re 18.
on 05 Jan 2013 at 9:27 pm 2.alex said …
“God is faithful”
damn skippy. xtians love this shit. no matter what you do, no matter how fucking horrible, god will give you a free fucking pass, no matter what.
so go ahead. beat all the homos you want, molest all the kids, kill all the other religious idiots and your god will set you free. romans 3:23-27, what a fucking joke, but prized by the idiots.
yeah, but us xtians, we’re moral. har! har!
what, i’m a cussing, stupid idiot? who cares? i’m not advocating anyone to be like me. don’t bring up that false dilemma bullshit. it’s not a choice between being like me or being religious. your god is bullshit. nuf said.
on 05 Jan 2013 at 9:37 pm 3.alex said …
“Early indoctrination. It should be illegal to take a child to church until they’re 18.”
it’s not 100% though. laid off from work, these fuckers draw unemployment like everybody else. they wear their seatbelts, buy life insurance and do all those things that nonbelievers do.
even though i laugh at the fuckers that gave away all their shit when they thought the world was going to end, i have to give them props for their conviction.
not these xtian assholes over here. they talk shit, but don’t walk the walk.
on 06 Jan 2013 at 6:11 pm 4.The messenger said …
on 05 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 134.The messenger said …
124.alex,just out of curiosity, why do you cuss so much?
Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else. In fact it actually makes you look weak. You lack the will to stop cussing.
I pray that you change.
on 06 Jan 2013 at 11:16 pm 5.skobru said …
I often ask christians and others where god was when 6 million jews and others were being killed. Oh and the purges of Stalin and Mao… oh and Pol Pot and oh… on and on… yes trust in god… where is god during rapes, murder torture… yes trust in god it will take care of you…
on 07 Jan 2013 at 5:28 pm 6.juan said …
Its actually funny reading this site. Sounds like you guys follow Anton La Vey? I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch. I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs, bad luck must be a common thing….I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth
on 07 Jan 2013 at 6:52 pm 7.alex said …
juan, why cry when someone you know is going to heaven? because its
bullshit.
on 07 Jan 2013 at 8:39 pm 8.Lou (DFW) said …
6.juan said …
“Its actually funny reading this site.”
It’s actually funny reading your comment.
“I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch.”
There’s no free will in choosing who you love or don’t love.
“I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs…”
Who cares what you “suspect?” We only care what you can demonstrate.
“…bad luck must be a common thing….I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth.”
Yes, it’s bad luck to be so deluded as to believe in an imaginary god who answers prayers to do something that he should do on his own.
on 07 Jan 2013 at 8:52 pm 9.DPK said …
6.juan said …
Its actually funny reading this site. Sounds like you guys follow Anton La Vey?
Who? I don’t “follow” anyone, especially someone I never heard of. Why does it “sound like” that?
I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch.
I thought god was all powerful? The other theists here say god intentionally causes all kinds of pain and suffering in order to test us and teach us things. How can god do that without interfering in free will, Juan? For example, one person said sometimes god causes people to have lousy fathers, or to be abused as youngsters so they will learn to be strong and overcome problems. So where does “free will” come into the picture for those chosen by god to be the lousy fathers and abusers?
“I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs, bad luck must be a common thing….”
Well, you can add that to the long list of things you think you know, but about which you are completely wrong. My life is great, thank you. I know, that pisses you off, doesn’t it? You can’t stand the idea of someone being happy without sharing your mindless delusion. Oh well… as they say, tough shit Sherlock,
“I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth.”
You do that, and well see how that works out, ok?
Goodbye.
on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 10.The messenger said …
7.alex, you poor, stupid fool.
I feel sorry for you.
When will you realize the truth.
on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 11.The messenger said …
on 06 Jan 2013 at 6:11 pm 4.The messenger said …
on 05 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 134.The messenger said …
124.alex,just out of curiosity, why do you cuss so much?
Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else. In fact it actually makes you look weak. You lack the will to stop cussing.
I pray that you change.
on 08 Jan 2013 at 11:04 am 12.Zeno said …
the messenger…
you are insane…
im an athiest and i never EVER swear, but nor do i care of others swearing, get a life and stop pushing people.
From Xcanthean Zeno
on 08 Jan 2013 at 4:26 pm 13.fol de rol said …
I’m with brianE, it should be illegal to expose any child to organised religion until they are adults. then let them examine the evidence and make up thier own minds… i bet there would be very much fewer beleivers then when an informed decision can be made rather than indoctrination
on 09 Jan 2013 at 1:30 am 14.s0l0m0n said …
skobru,
Why don’t you also ask where is God when he supplies abundance of food and drinks right from the 1st human “Adam” right to the present day “You” yourself, including the animals, insects,plants etc..Why don’t you ask?
Why don’t you ask where is God when humans have enjoyed wealth,peace & stability?
Why don’t you ask the joy of having loved ones & fu***ng?
Why? Why? Why?
You keep fussing regarding 6 million jews and others being killed by Hitler,Stalin,Mao & Pol Pot. What % of humans killed through the atrocities compared with the uncountable lives sustained by God?
((((Negligible))))
That’s the word.
After all Death is a must. The only thing it is done in different ways.
on 09 Jan 2013 at 3:45 am 15.Lou(DFW) said …
14.s0l0m0n said …
“Why don’t you also ask where is God when he supplies abundance of food…”
Why? Because he doesn’t supply ANY of it, much less an abundance of it.
Why don’t you ask where is the Tooth Fairy when she leaves money under your pillow in exchange for a tooth?
“What % of humans killed through the atrocities compared with the uncountable lives sustained by God?”
You can’t give an imaginary god credit for sustaining lives if you don’t blame it for NOT sustaining them.
Some of you theists are incredibly stupid.
on 09 Jan 2013 at 4:50 am 16.Lesbian Carwasher said …
/\ this, totaly this
on 09 Jan 2013 at 5:02 am 17.Slapnuts McGee said …
Proof that prayer does not work is evident when idiots like messenger and no-juan pray for saps like myself to “find god” and “find the truth.”
Those prayers will NEVER be answered.
And messenger, please stop posting comments at this website. Seriously.
on 09 Jan 2013 at 5:33 am 18.DPK said …
“on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 10.The messenger said …
7.alex, you poor, stupid fool.
I feel sorry for you.”
Jesus said.
“But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[a] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[b] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[c] of fire.”
Messenger, you seem to constantly defy church doctrine and you directly disobey Jesus. It does not look good for you my friend. If I were you, I’d be secretly hoping there was no god, because you seem to be destined for hell….
on 09 Jan 2013 at 1:27 pm 19.Lou(DFW) said …
11.The messenger said …
“Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else.
Nor does your constant, error-filled prosthelytizing.
“I pray that you change.”
You should be praying for YOU to change.
on 10 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 20.Burebista said …
I agree even more with BrianE. BrianE you should consider not teaching your children any morals, language or even accept them into your family. You should let them grow up and decide for themselves. If BrianE does these things he should be jailed. Be fair to the kids.
on 10 Jan 2013 at 2:57 am 21.Lou(DFW) said …
20.Burp the Babeler said …
“I agree even more with BrianE. BrianE you should consider not teaching your children any morals, language or even accept them into your family.”
Except for the fact that he didn’t write that, so you can’t agree with him about it.
Lying and word games – are you equally adept at that in the other two languages?
on 10 Jan 2013 at 8:32 pm 22.Todd Reeder. said …
People have said that people are starving in the world because christians are not doing there job to feed them. And say they are suffering because christians are not doing there job. I saw a preview of the doccumentary the insanity of God. There were 150 believers in samolia and now only 4 because 146 were killed for being christians. He left samolia and went to places where christians are being persecuted and abused but still alive. e said they made mistakes that caused the deaths of believers prematurely. So he says he is to blame. So he turns his back on people and goes were it is easier for people. Christians say God allows people to be affected by evil for many reasons as listed in above comments. And because of the sins of others. Christians say Jesus was God. Well God could have destroyed all evil so the people he allegedly loves would not suffer. But he didn’t. They say God did not stop Sandyhook shooting because God was mad because he is not allowed in schools. There are true stories of parents locking there children in dark rooms like solitary confinment in prision for years. No human contact or communication. They sit in a dark room for years with nothing to do but play with there own poop. No one to talk to. And God allows it to make them stronger I suppose. Allows it to teach them something. The same for children and adults who are severely abused. Well I don’t believe anymore. I have asked God to deliver me from stuff and help me many times for many years. Have read the bible and studied it. Prayed, went to church, and listened to christian music to change me. And things are still the same. Christians say maybe I have unconfessed sin. Or things I don’t want to surrender. Maybe I don’t have enough faith. Maybe God is making me stronger and better. And many times they say we can’t always understand why God allows things or doesn’t answer prayer. They have many reasons why things don’t happen for people. Well I don’t believe anymore. I am putting my real name because I don’t care anymore.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 1:32 am 23.s0l0m0n said …
In designing a car It needs a hell of a team to think of its shape, engine etc…etc..
What about designing a mosquito with brains and with life…..Does it doesn’t require nothing to initiate it?
on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:41 am 24.The messenger said …
18.DPK, I shouldn’t have said that insult. I pray that Jesus forgives me.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 3:57 am 25.MrQ said …
Sol,
What is needed to create a star from dust? Is it Natural or does it require the (((Supernatural)))?
on 11 Jan 2013 at 4:11 am 26.Todd Reeder said …
Not teaching kids morals? So you mean you should not teach them it is wrong to steal from people, disrespect, abuse and kill people? I agree it is wrong to teach religion to kids because they are mature enough to fully rationalize things. Just look at the westboro baptist church. They have kids holding signs and saying and believing things. I think that is child abuse. The brain wash the kids. Many leave when they are old enough to relize.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 5:18 am 27.Todd Reeder said …
Christianity a form of insanity? I was thinking and it seems christianity could be classified as a form of insanity. They say God allows people to suffer and all because he has good reasons. I think believing that allowing people to suffer and allowing evil for good reasons would be considered insane. If a parent allowed there children to suffer and be affected by evil and said they allowed it because of the reasons christians give for God allowing it they would be called insane.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 6:23 am 28.Anonymous said …
One of the most amazing things about being a Christian is not their unbelievable stupidity in believing that a magic man in the sky might be watching them take a dump, but that they are capable of making up the most ridiculous rationalizations for why their god does absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.
For example:
Starving children in Africa? Their god wants people to sort that out.
Wars? His believers should sort that out.
Kids being shot? His feelings were hurt, so he let them die. Poor baby.
No miracles? His believers didn’t have enough faith.
40,000+ different denominations of Christianity and no clear direction? It’s not his fault, it’s the fault of the imperfect humans (who he created as imperfect, according to them).
Doesn’t answer prayers as advertised? Not answering was part of his plan.
Lets people suffer from horrible diseases? He’s teaching them a lesson.
Doesn’t cure horrible diseases? He wants the people to learn how to do that.
Lets people die of horrible diseases? He wanted them by his side.
Never heals amputees? Well he could. If he wanted. As long as you don’t ask him. And are not watching. Or testing him. Or recording him.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 1:33 pm 29.Xenon said …
Todd said:
“They have many reasons why things don’t happen for people. Well I don’t believe anymore. I am putting my real name because I don’t care anymore.”
Then he says:
“Not teaching kids morals? So you mean you should not teach them it is wrong to steal from people, disrespect, abuse and kill people?”
You don’t care and suddenly you do? Which morals should be taught Todd? Yours? Muslims? Pagans? We have atheists here that say stealing and lying is OK at times. When do we tell the children they can lie and steal Todd?
See what your ilk wants is to control the masses. Teach the kids the morals “I” give you but if you teach them about God “I” will imprison you. Using extremist as your example is quite lame since every group has their nuts. Your ilk is a more dangerous sort.
It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity. You might have recalled the words of Christ:
” If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.”
Jesus and every disciple was murdered for their belief and Christians have been murdered regularly for the last 2000 years. You suddenly just realized that?
on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:22 pm 30.Lou(DFW) said …
29.Xenonsense said …
“See what your ilk wants is to control the masses. Teach the kids the morals “I” give you but if you teach them about God “I” will imprison you.”
Who are his “ilk?”
Show us evidence that they want to “control the masses” (similarly to the way the Catholic church and other xtians attempt today).
on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:31 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …
29.Xenonsense said …
“It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity.”
I can’t speak for Todd, but I understand xtianity just as I understand all the other false religions of the world. Or, Xenonsense, is xtianity the only true religion?
“Jesus and every disciple was murdered for their belief and Christians have been murdered regularly for the last 2000 years.”
But no xtians ever murdered anybody in the name of their delusion, have they?
on 11 Jan 2013 at 5:40 pm 32.Lou(DFW) said …
30.Lou(DFW) said …
“Show us evidence that they want to “control the masses” (similarly to the way the Catholic church and other xtians attempt today).”
‘Pope Benedict on Friday signaled the Vatican was ready to forge alliances with other religions against gay marriage, saying the family was threatened “to its foundations” by attempts to change its “true structure”.’
“In some countries, the Catholic Church has already joined forces with Jews, Muslims and members of other religions to oppose the legalization of gay marriage, in some cases presenting arguments based on legal, social and anthropological analyses rather than religious teachings.”
on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:03 pm 33.Todd Reeder said …
In response to “It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity.” Catholics have killed people who refused to recant there beliefs and become catholic. Those who were not catholic were tortured and many killed if they where protestant, jewish, or muslim if they refused to reject there beliefs and become catholics. Over 150,000 people were killed. During the crusades people who claimed to be christians killed jews and muslims because they thought it was there christian duty. The catholics burned people at the stake for writting ot printing noncatholic bibles. They burned people at the stake for being heritics.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:12 pm 34.Todd Reeder said …
When I said I don’t care anymore what i mean is I don’t care anymore if people know I don’t believe anymore. And who said morals belong to any religion? I am saying kids need to know to respect life and other people. If we had no morals it would be ok for a kid or anyone to kill someone just because they felt like it. If we had no morals it would be ok for a kid or anyone to steal something just because they did not want to pay for it. It would be ok for a someone to cheat on the person they love. What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to. If you think morals are wrong don’t call the police if someone assults you or steals from you.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:25 pm 35.DPK said …
No one here claimed kids should not be taught morals. That was the Xenon/Burbista sock puppet being dramatic and attempting to misrepresent what someone actually said, which was that children should not be indoctrinated into a religion.
The claim here by the theists, and also implication, is that without religion, there can be no morality. That is laughable and demonstrably false.
Their claim is that morality and ethics is not a human construct, but was handed down by a supernatural being and is absolute. Of course, they cannot point us to where this absolute moral code is or what it says. That is because no matter what it says, there is nothing that is absolute. Morality always involves circumstance, and resolving morality with circumstance requires judgement. They also cannot demonstrate that this supposed absolute code of morality was in fact handed to us by a supernatural being, which of the multitudes of alleged supernatural beings actually did the giving, or that any such being in fact exists. So, we are left with claim after baseless claim, after claim, with absolutely NOTHING to support it, other than the (also baseless) claim that you cannot have morality without a god.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:34 pm 36.Lou(DFW) said …
35.DPK said …
“No one here claimed kids should not be taught morals. That was the Xenon/Burbista sock puppet being dramatic and attempting to misrepresent what someone actually said, which was that children should not be indoctrinated into a religion.”
It’s part of his game to intentionally misrepresent what someone writes, and then make them prove it, all the while ignoring rebuttals of his ACTUAL, not distorted claims. He’s a fraud in the truest sense of the word.
on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 37.Xenon said …
Todd:
“What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to.”
You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?
on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 38.Xenon said …
Todd:
“The catholics burned people at the stake for writting ot printing noncatholic bibles. They burned people at the stake for being heritics.”
What does that have to do with anything I posted about Christ, His teachings and the fact Christians would suffer? What does your post have to do with the fact that you don’t understand why Christians suffer and why there is evil in the world?
on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:56 pm 39.DPK said …
I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd?
How about when an armed gunman breaks into your house and announces he is there to kill your daughter, (who is hiding in the garage). Now when he asks, “where is she?” According to your absolute moral code that says it is wrong to lie, you risk hell by saying, “she’s not here.” Correct?
You are such an imbecile.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:19 am 40.alex said …
“How about when an armed gunman breaks into your house and announces he is there to kill your daughter, (who is hiding in the garage). Now when he asks, “where is she?”
a true xtian would. they would refuse medical treatment even with the threat of prosecution. they wouldn’t buy insurance or take precautions. the would live with their convictions unlike the fake xtians that patrol this blog.
but would they stone people as directed? nah, they know they’ll be busted. the stoning stuff is not literal. anything else the idiots don’t do is not literal.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:21 am 41.Lou(DFW) said …
37.Xenonsense said …
“You bounced around my entire post.”
Yes, Todd, you obviously don’t understand the sock-puppet theist protocol. They demand that you answer their questions while never, ever answering yours. In other words, you aren’t allowed to “bounce” around their comments, but that’s all they ever do in reply to yours.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:35 am 42.Tracker said …
“According to your absolute moral code that says it is wrong to lie, you risk hell by saying, “she’s not here.” Correct?”
I would pull my .45 and say here she is! If for some reason I didn’t have my .45 on me I would respond with “get bent”.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:45 am 43.Todd said …
39.DPK I think you are confused. I never said it was ok to lie and cheat. I think it is wrong to lie and cheat.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 44.Todd said …
Xenon Lou said in a post “But no xtians ever murdered anybody in the name of their delusion, have they?” And I gave examples of xians killing people in the name of religion.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:55 am 45.alex said …
“I think it is wrong to lie and cheat.”
seriously? under any circumstances?
on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:03 am 46.Todd said …
xenon you claim I said “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?” repost or tell me what post number I said that. I can’t find anywhere I said that. I think parents of children from westboro baptist church should be arrested for teaching kids to hate and make them carry signs with words of hate on them.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:06 am 47.Todd said …
Thanks DPK.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:11 am 48.DPK said …
43 Todd… I know man, I’m on your side. The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie. I know you never said it was “ok to lie and cheat.” But wouldn’t you agree that every situation requires judgement, and a blanket statement like, “it is always wrong to lie.” Is kind of silly. I mean, when the SS storm troopers came looking for the Jews, I guess we were morally required not to lie to them?
Xenon, you sound curiously stupid, just like Burbesta.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:09 am 49.Xenon said …
Todd, my apology you didn’t say Christians should be jailed, other atheists here have stated we should be jailed. BrianE and even others have posted such hate speech. Do you agree?
I didn’t say YOU claim lying and cheating is OK, others here and on this thread are making the argument. When is it OK to lie and cheat? Is it ever OK under any circumstances OK to lie and cheat?
You see two of your fellow atheist who are challenging you on the lying and cheating already…..they think it IS OK.
Bottom line, on what standard does an atheist teach morality? How could you tell someone who thinks lying and cheating is OK that they should not teach that to their children?
Lastly, if a child should chose his religion when he is older, why not the same with their morality?
on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:14 am 50.Xenon said …
“The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around.”
Really? I posted a lie?
I bet you will not back that statement up DPK. This is one of your times it is OK to lie. You and alex have proved my point well. Thanks to you both.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:28 am 51.DPK said …
on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 37.Xenon said …
Todd:….
“You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”
He never said any such thing. Ergo, you lied and therefore you are a liar.
No apology necessary, no one is surprised by any lies you tell. In fact, lies from you are expected as the norm. And you are the one claiming an absolute moral code that forbids lying! That’s rich.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 7:10 am 52.Severin said …
49 Xenon
“Bottom line, on what standard does an atheist teach morality?”
We manage it somehow.
Now, on what standard do yoy teach (taught) morlity, your children?
For the 1000th time: WHERE can we see and read the list of moral rules YOU are following in YOUR life?
I would like to read those rules, and maybe also to accept them, but for more than 5 years no theist ever answered this question.
What can I think after your 5 ears of hiding your moral code from us but:
a) You have a list of moral rules, but you hide it from us, because you are selfish and don’t like anyone else but Christians to see it (which is nott much Christian”)
b) There is no such a moral code, and you are lying
Is this “famous” list going secretly from one Christian hand to another?
on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:32 pm 53.Lou(DFW) said …
50.Xenonsense said …
“Really? I posted a lie?”
LOL! First, your comments are full of lies. Second, sock-puppeting is a form of decption and deciet.
“I bet you will not back that statement up DPK.”
Not that it’s difficult, but after your challenge he PROVED that you are a liar. It’s not the first time.
What did you bet? How about a promise never to appear here again, at least as Xenonsense?
on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:39 pm 54.Lou(DFW) said …
Xenonsense, it was YOU, posting as Burp who FIRST wrote about anyone being jailed:
20.Burebista said …
“If BrianE does these things he should be jailed.”
Then you lied when you wrote:
37.Xenon said …
“Todd: You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”
You lied here:
49.Xenon said …
“Other atheists here have stated we should be jailed.”
Xenonsense/Burp, you a pathetic excuse for a human being.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 1:55 pm 55.Xenon said …
DPK
Not so fast. Here is your quote:
“The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie.”
I now repost # 37:
“You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”
Now show us the lie DPK. Accusation after accusation and always unsubstantiated.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:42 pm 56.DPK said …
You are an idiot.
You said, “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals .”
That is not true. He never claimed that. Saying things that are not true is lying. Don’t you understand the definition of the word?
Now, show us where he said that, or admit that you lied. Or, in your sock puppet frenzy, did you forget which one of your persona’s wrote it. Here’s a hint… You quoted it right in your own reply. How fucking stupid are you?
on 12 Jan 2013 at 5:56 pm 57.DPK said …
Now Xenon will disappear for a while, and the AssTrophysicist will show up and try to change the subject.
Xenon… In case you were wondering, here is the MORAL thing to do right now:
1. Admit that you lied and apologize for it.
2. Go away because your credibility, not that you really ever had any, is destroyed.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 7:23 pm 58.Xenon said …
Ah Ah AH DPK.
I apologized in #49 for my mistake on this quote:
“You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals .”
Since you cannot read I don’t expect you could comprehend my apology. Adults do apologize when an error is made.
BrianE is the actual hatemonger who wants to see us jailed. Irrelevant, since an atheist wants to jail Christians. But…..
Back to your lie:
“The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie.”
Lets see it DPK. Stop being a coward and produce the lie in #37. You won’t because you can’t because you are a liar. You would like me to go away so you can slip out of your lie.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 9:26 pm 59.DPK said …
How many more times to I have to post it, asshole?
“37.Xenon said …
Todd:
“What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to.”
You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? LIE>>>>You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?<<<LIE”
How many more times are you going to deny and say I haven’t shown the lie in #37 that I outed you for?
You are the definition of hypocrisy. You don’t admit the truth when it is right in front of you in black and white. Now, where is your absolute moral code, and where is your evidence that some magical god invented it and gave it to us?
on 12 Jan 2013 at 10:07 pm 60.Todd said …
I heard so called xians on tv giving there answer to getting needs met from God. They said support the profit of God and God will supply all your needs and you will never not have. In other words they are saying send use money and God will give you everything you need and more. One of them says when he goes places people want to buy him exspensive suits. People give him exspensive cars. Peopel give him checks for thousands of dollars. He gave some preacher a thousand dollars and someone weeks later gave him 5 thousand dollars. People claim on the 700 club that they financial problems and began giving a specific amount each month to the 700 club and they started seeing miracles. They started getting jobs when they had non. Medical problems were healed. They started getting more money in there life when not expected. So they claim if you have a need give money to a preacher on tv and God will supply all your needs and give you back more than you give. And if someone does that and ends up worse off they will say maybe you had sin in your life. Maybe you did not have enough faith. Maybe you did not surrender some secret sin. Maybe you have to keep being faitful and not give up. Sometimes it takes longer for a harvest. And sometimes you have a crop failure and need to start over. They would give a list of reasons. When I got my inheritance from my parents death I gave seveal thousand dollars to the church I attend because they needed it and I believed we were suppose to give 10 percent of what we recieve. And that God will always supply our needs and bless us. Well now I need those thousands of dollars. What a fool I was.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 61.Xenon said …
DPK
Oh, now I see. The statement I apologized for as a mistake is a lie.
I thought you had nothing and you do not.
Goodbye DPK
Todd,
You ignored what I asked about atheist morality. I do understand, it is all relative and there is no ultimate standard that everyone should follow. It is all opinion and everyone’s opinion is ultimately equal. That is why atheist regard lying and cheating as OK in the right situations. Who knows when that might be. Count the silverware if one leaves your house.
I do have a suggestion. Stop listening to opinions and listen to God. God never promised a life without challenges and obstacles. Everything you state is what people say, read the Bible for yourself.
God states He meets our needs, but are you sure your needs are not really wants? I certainly do not know, I only ask the question. Food, water and shelter seem to be the only real needs for a human beings. All else is just extras.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 62.Severin said …
59 DPK
“Now, where is your absolute moral code, …”
Where, indeed?
It is something Xenon will never tell us.
Anyway, I can’t follow a moral code that I can’t see, because selfish Christians keep it for themselves only, and never show it to anyone else. So, if I do something against THAT moral code, it will not be my fault.
Fuck selfish Chrstians!
I will manage, somehow, with my own moral code, which made me proud with my life, as I did before.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:35 pm 63.Lou (DFW) said …
58.Xenon said …
“Lets see it DPK. Stop being a coward and produce the lie in #37. You won’t because you can’t because you are a liar. You would like me to go away so you can slip out of your lie.”
How many times must we quote the lie that you wrote?
Xenonense/Burp, now you’re lying about lying – pathetic.
on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:57 pm 64.DPK said …
The truth according to xenon: when an atheist says that a demonstrably false statement made by a theist in an effort to convince others of their delusion is a lying, THAT is a lie. But the falsehood propagated by the theist is a “mistake.”
Is that it, Xenon? Is that how your deluded mind works. What a pathetic creature you are. I’m sure you will understand that it is gods will not only that you were caught in a lie, but that you are now shown to be the despicable, dishonest fraud that you are.
Count the silverware indeed!
on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:26 am 65.Tom said …
Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code? It starts out with loving God with all your being. If you can’t handle that one, none of the rest will work.
How many atheists are in the world? Multiply that number by (1) and that is the number of moral codes atheists use.
on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:57 am 66.Anonymous said …
And right on cue another recycled sock-puppet emerges in an attempt to fend off “Xenon”‘s disgrace.
Note that no-matter what persona he posts under, just like the mythical god, Hor’s Christian moral code is nowhere to be seen. Unless, of course, lying, cheating, and being dishonest as demonstrated here, is the Christian moral code. Quite likely based on the examples the theists set here.
Hor, you really are a pathetic loser.
on 13 Jan 2013 at 8:26 am 67.Severin said …
65 Tom
“Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code?”
Because you theists endlessly talk that we don’t have any.
As a responsible human being, I want to see what am I doing wrong in my life, and want to make my life, and lives of people I liwe with, better.
I have no better idea about any moral code but considering it a list of rules that I have to obey and to follow, to have a fully moral life.
How can I know what I am doing wrong, if I don’t see that list, and how it differs from the list I have in my mind.
“What am I doing wrong?” is the question that eats me!
And you Christians don’t want to help me! You talk all the time about Christianity (god, Bible) being the source of morality, you criticize atheists for not living with that moral code, but you never ever tell us where to find it.
Not nice!
Where can I find Christian moral code, please?
on 13 Jan 2013 at 8:47 am 68.Severin said …
65 Tom
“It starts out with loving God with all your being.”
Well, thanks, I got at least something:
The very first rule of Christian moral code is: First you love me (god), then you will get the rest of the list.
Well, in MY moral code, blackmailing is something standing under “bad”, “wrong”, “not nice”, “rotten”, “not allowed”, “forbidden”, …
If I got a list of rules which started with “You must first love me, than I will give you something” (in this case list of moral rules), I would feel very bad, because the list starts with something I would never do if I follow MY moral code, that is blackmailing.
But, let’s say I still have wrong idea about what morality really is.
Maybe blackmailing is OK in that famous, invisible list of moral rules you endlessly mention in your posts.
As a open minded man, ready to change my life, I WANT to see the rest of that list.
Where can I find it?
on 13 Jan 2013 at 11:01 am 69.Lou (DFW) said …
61.Xenonsense said …
“You ignored what I asked about atheist morality.”
LOL! You ignore our request to post your alleged god-given moral code. But, if you can’t do that, then please post the alleged “atheist morality.”
on 13 Jan 2013 at 12:42 pm 70.DPK said …
on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:26 am 65.Tom said …
Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code? It starts out with loving God with all your being.
So, is your claim that unless you “love” god, whatever that means, you cannot be moral? Iis that it, Tom? What about people who love some other god than yours? Can they not be moral too? Please explain how this works so we can understand.
on 13 Jan 2013 at 1:29 pm 71.MrQ said …
Tom
Is it at all possible that the “number of moral codes” that people have is that number multiplied by the number one ? Or does your own personal “moral code” align with other fine christian people such as Hinn, Falwell, Hitler, Phelps Baptists, etc ?
on 13 Jan 2013 at 1:43 pm 72.Lou (DFW) said …
65.Tom said …
“Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code?”
To prove that there’s some honest xtians.
Otherwise, what difference does it make to you? What if there’s a chance that if I see it that it convinces me to convert to xtianity? Isn’t that what areal xtian would do?
“It starts out with loving God with all your being.”
Really? Show us. Unless you can, then it’s safe to assume that you are another lying theist.
“How many atheists are in the world? Multiply that number by (1) and that is the number of moral codes atheists use.”
How many xtians are there in the world? Multiply that number by one and the result is the number of lying xtians.
on 13 Jan 2013 at 4:11 pm 73.Todd said …
In response to a xian moral code. Some commands Jesus gave were to love your neighbor the same way you love yourself. He tells a story that explains everyone is your neighbor so love everyone the same way you love yourself. And treat others the way you want to be treated. And if you see someone in need help them. So they could be considered part of a moral code. So if you love your neighbor you would not lie to them. You would not steal from them. You would not attack them or kill them. Xians say we are suppose to keep the ten commandments. One of the commandments say not to kill people. Some xians say that means it is wrong to kill someone for any reason. So to them it is wrong to execute people. It would be wrong to kill people in a war or people who try to hurt or kill you. Some xians say it means it is wrong to kill someone who is not guilty of murder. How many innocent people were killed in Japan when the americans dropped two atomic bombs? How many innocent people were killed by americans in other countries? I think america should be executing more people who kill people.
on 13 Jan 2013 at 10:05 pm 74.Severin said …
Xenon, Tom,
Where can I find Christian moral code?
on 14 Jan 2013 at 12:21 am 75.Anonymous said …
Tom said: “It starts out with loving God with all your being. If you can’t handle that one, none of the rest will work”
But what does that mean? How do you love a storybook character with all your being?
Ia it physical, your explanation was remarkably kinesthetic after all. Do you get a hard-on when you think of Jesus, Tom? It’s OK, you can tell us, we merely want to learn about your moral code. Unlike fundamental Christians, we won’t judge you based on your fetishes.
Is that why so many priests are pedophiles in that when they butt-fuck those little boys they are literally showing them how to love with all their being? That seems extreme, but you Xtians do ask us to be open-minded about your beliefs and practices after all.
Please explain Xenon and Tom. Theists reference the existence of this love and this moral code but they’ve yet to provide the detail.
It’s not something you make up to sound self-important is it? No, no true Christian would do that. Would they?
on 14 Jan 2013 at 12:52 am 76.s0l0m0n said …
MrQ said …
“What is needed to create a star from dust? Is it Natural or does it require the (((Supernatural)))?”
It’s purely simple.It requires God to initiate.Nature is just a word. It can do nothing.
on 14 Jan 2013 at 2:34 pm 77.MrQ said …
Sol,
See “pillars of creation”. Google it!!
Where is god ? Do you see jesus there? Prophet Mo ? Mighty allah? Virgins? No. Just nature being naturally beautiful ;-) .
on 14 Jan 2013 at 3:07 pm 78.DPK said …
“One of the commandments say not to kill people. Some xians say that means it is wrong to kill someone for any reason. So to them it is wrong to execute people. It would be wrong to kill people in a war or people who try to hurt or kill you. Some xians say it means it is wrong to kill someone who is not guilty of murder. How many innocent people were killed in Japan when the americans dropped two atomic bombs? How many innocent people were killed by americans in other countries? I think america should be executing more people who kill people.”
So it is wrong to kill someone to prevent them killing or hurting others? How many lives were saved that definitely would have been lost in an invasion of Japan that those bombs prevented? What you seem to be saying Tom, is that your “absolute” moral code is not “absolute” at all, and requires judgment and consideration, and even at that, there are times when highly moral people can disagree. Hmmmm… Doesn’t sound like anything handed down with authority from an omniscient supreme being now, does it?
on 14 Jan 2013 at 3:52 pm 79.Lou(DFW) said …
73.Todd said …
“Some commands Jesus gave were to love your neighbor the same way you love yourself. He tells a story that explains everyone is your neighbor so love everyone the same way you love yourself.”
Why doesn’t your imaginary god simply tell us his absolute moral code rather than explain it as a “story?”
As DPK wrote:
“absolute” moral code is not “absolute” at all
on 14 Jan 2013 at 7:45 pm 80.Todd said …
I don’t believe in the God of the bible anymore. In the old testament the God of the bible told people to kill men, women, children, and babies. He told people to kill them because they did not want to worship him. And the God of the bible knew they would never worship them. I asked someone why God would tell people to kill them when it would be better for them to live before being punished forever by this God. The answer I got was it was better for them that they die then live with evil for years. And many xians teach that no one can be Saved or born again unless God causes them to believe. No one can believe without God causing it. So if someone dies unbelieving and suffers eternal damnation according to xians it is not God’s fault. It is the fault of Adam of Eve because they disobeyed God. And because they disobeyed everyone since then is born and enemy of God and hating God unless he causes them to change. And God can do this because he is God. According to the bible God told a man named Abraham to kill his only son and burn him on an alter. So God told someone to murder his son. God told someone to break one of his own laws. Xians say God was not telling him to murder his son because God knew he would provide a substitute. The God of the bible told people to stone or put to death people who broke certain laws. Xians say that God does not change. I asked people if God said people were to be put to death for breaking certain laws why don’t we do that now? They said since Jesus came we are living in a time of grace. Since we have grace we are suppose to let people live. It sounds to me that the God of the bible changed. He says people are be to be put to death, Ten we are told he is not that way anymore. But xians say God never changes. God killed people in sodom and gemorah because of a lack of hospitality is what the bible says. So God killed hundreds or thousands of people for a lack of hospitality? And God killed everyone on earth except noah’s family because they were evil and would not change. According to xians like I mentioned before people cannot change unless God causes them to change. So all those people died and suffer eternal punishment because God made them that way. I asked xians why we need a preacher or why precher’s need to go to school to learn what the bible means. I asked if someone gets a bible and reads it why do they need someone to teach them what it means? They said “just as in regualr school we need to know hemeneutics and apply what are metaphors symbols and distinguish what is lieteral. Gods has given the church teachers… There are principles one needs to be taught to understand the hard scriptures, while there are scriptures that are simple, and mean exactly what they say – and should be apparent.” Like Jesus sayd if your eye causes you to sin gouge it out. People say that is a figure of speech and not literal. So an uneducated person needs to be taught it is not literal. And someone can’t understand unless God gives them the ability to understand it. So if someone gets a bible some how and there is no one who was taught to understand what the bible means to teach them what it means they cannot understand what it means. I said to them for over a thousand years people lived where there were only catholic churches. And the bible was in latin and only educated people understood latin and the only way people knew what the bible ment was to be taught by the catholic church. So if people were taught false things how would they know if they were true or not? And they would be punished by God because they believed false teaching because they had no way to prove it was true or not because they could not read latin and were never taught in a bible school. There reply was that makes no sense. They say that because they did not have an answer as to why things would be that way. Sorry for being so long but these are some of the reasons I don’t beleive things in the bible anymore.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 12:58 am 81.s0l0m0n said …
MrQ,
You’re running away from the car manuf. analogy post (11 Jan 2013 at 1:32 am)
Nothing could exists on its own except God.
This ‘nature’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))
on 15 Jan 2013 at 1:22 pm 82.Anonymous said …
Sol,
She was such a beautiful virgin, and then you woke up and “it” was in your hand. Keep dreaming.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 2:02 pm 83.Lou(DFW) said …
81.s0l0m0n said …
“You’re running away from the car manuf. analogy post”
Nobody “ran away” from it. It’s an inaccurate analogy of a type that’s been debunked over and over.
“Nothing could exists on its own except God.”
Prove it. And please explain how if everything complex requires a creator, then what created your imaginary god. Don’t runaway.
“This ‘nature’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))”
This ‘god’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))
on 15 Jan 2013 at 3:56 pm 84.phil said …
Fundamental to theist thinking seems to be that nothing can be created without a creator and that the creator must be more complex than the created; complexity cannot arise from simplicity- could the opposite not also be argued? life develops from sperm, egg, seed to more complex systems. If there is a creator, it could be a relatively simple posssibly quantum particle/field with no intent or awareness; this could explain the the creator certainly doesn’t seem to have much interest in its creation.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:16 pm 85.Anonymous said …
Or you can dispense with all the woo and mystical desperation and simply accept that there is no creator.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:18 pm 86.phil said …
indeed, that could very well be the answer
on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:48 pm 87.Todd said …
I have heard someone say we can’t have something that creator doesn’t have. He says we can’t have personsonality without having a personal god. SOmeone said then we can’t have evil with out evil being in God. His response to that is that people have something God doesn’t have. Sin. So they are saying we can’t have something unless it is in God. But then they say we can have sin without it being in God. They have a double standard. They say there is a law in effect that we can’t have something unless God has it. But then they say there is an exception. Xian’s say God is the source of everything and nothing can be unless it came from God. So where did sin and evil come from? When I was young i asked a preacher who created God. He said no one created God. Big bang theory people say that subatomic particles or atoms or whatever exploded one day and created a big bang. And that was the start of evolution. I would like to ask one of these experts where did they subatomic particles or atoms come from? Who or what created them? The would likely accuse me of being a trouble maker to avoid there looking bad. Or would say no one created they they always were.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 6:28 pm 88.Anonymous said …
Todd, if you want an expert to answer your questions, then you should ask one.
You do know that being an atheist isn’t a synonym for professional cosmologist or physicist, right? This is such a standard theist trope – “you don’t believe in my god so I’m going to make a fallacious appeal for you to answer every scientific question that anyone could ever ask” and then I’ll continue to complain that I don’t understand the answer. Sigh.
Go to Wikipedia. You found your way here, you can find Wiki, I’m sure. Type words into the search box – try “Big Bang” or “Evolution”, if that’s what you really want to understand, then ask in the appropriate venue. This isn’t the place for those questions.
Or, you could try talkorigins.org, or physics.org – it’s not as easy as religion where someone does the thinking for you, but that’s how the big-boy world works.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 6:34 pm 89.Ian said …
Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily. If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:23 pm 90.Anonymous said …
Ian, just for
on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:25 pm 91.Severin said …
87 Todd
“Big bang theory people say that subatomic particles or atoms or whatever exploded one day and created a big bang.”
Theist claim that uncreated and eternal god existed and one day he decided to create the universe. Claiming that, theists confirm the possibility that SOMETHING (they say: god, but they only SAY it, having absolutely no proofs for their claims) CAN exist without having been created.
Followong theist’s logic, I say: if SOMETHING can exist without having been created, why god? Why not matter/energy, that is not created, but “just exists”, eternally, changing its form according to natural laws which are “built in” it.
Unlike god, matter/energy is easy to prove it exists, and, as “creation” of it done by a god, AND existence of god himself, are impossible to prove, what else can I say but: matter/energy IS already here,and is uncreated and eternal. WHY would it be neccessary for matter/energy to be created?
The question WHY involves will and purpose, and I can’t find any purpose of, for example, existence of the star Beta Centaury. Or the purpose of existence of tube worms on the bottom of ocean. So, the question “WHY” is wrong type of question.
“And that was the start of evolution.”
Evolution did not start with big bang. Evolution is an expression for survival and development of living world, not of the non-living matter.
“I would like to ask one of these experts where did they subatomic particles or atoms come from? Who or what created them?”
I do not say I am an expert, but I certainly have common sense developed enough to compare and to understand things and events.
Where did god come from?
If someone says “he was always there”, (but can’t give a single support to this claim, I say: matter/energy was always there.
How do I know that?
Well, matter and energy are still here!
Did anyone ever see a god?
on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:30 pm 92.Severin said …
Of course, all said in #91 is my personal opinion, for which I can’t give any evidences.
BUT, matter/energy ARE present, aren’t they?
Big bang did not explode from nothing, but from a “cluster” of matter/energy which already existed.
Unlike the isea of god, which can’t be proved, and represents only the PERSONAL OPINION of some people, I have “half a proof”: matter and energy DO exist.
My opinon fits reality: there is no god to see, touch, measure, explore, anticipate its behavior in accordance to some laws; all that is possible with matter and energy.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:38 pm 93.Lou (DFW) said …
89.Ian said …
“Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”
Ian, please review this image:
http://tinyurl.com/bl7ckft
It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.
“If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”
Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”
Conversely, if you claim that god exists, then prove it.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 8:03 pm 94.Todd said …
I am reading a book Why does God allow suffering. They say God wanted people to have free will. We wouldn’t have some good things if we didn’t have free will. And that many of the bad things that happen are because of choices we make. They say “The Bible offers practical advice on virtually all aspects of life. Many of its principles reveal how to avoid—and to some extent relieve—suffering.” So if we obey God’s laws we can relieve and avoid suffering and bad things.” They also say “We cannot live substantially free from suffering until we are reconciled to God and His commandments.” So they are saying if we are reconciled to God and is commandments we can live substantially free from suffering. I guess that is what xians call being born again. They also say we can’t always understand why bad things happen. We just have to trust God and his goodness. I did not read yet as why God allows people to suffer because of the evil of others. I guess evil is a negative aspect of having free will. If we did not have the freedom to choose would we miss it? No.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 8:38 pm 95.Todd said …
They say in a way what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.This book was written before the sandyhook masacre but they might say a good result of the event is that the community is closer tigher nit then ever before. So even though it was a tragedy it brought people closer together. People met people they may have never met before. Lives were strenghend. I think the families of the victims don’t care about that. They would rather have there loved ones back. People say good things never wouldn’t have happend to me if this had not happend.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:42 pm 96.Anonymous said …
Ian, it seems that you are arguing for the existence of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. RAmen.
You only have to look around to know that we are all touched by His Noodly Appendages. And as you have yet to prove that He isn’t the Creator, your “logic” dictates that he must be.
Please get back to us when you have proof to the contrary.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:44 pm 97.Lou(DFW) said …
89.Ian said …
“Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”
Ian, please review this image:
http://tinyurl.com/bl7ckft
It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.
“If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”
Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.” Atheists don’t actually claim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists disbelieve the claim that he does.
If you claim that god exists, then prove it.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:45 pm 98.Lou(DFW) said …
89.Ian said …
“Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”
Ian, please review this image:
tinyurl.com/bl7ckft
It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.
“If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”
Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”
Atheists don’t actually claim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists disbelieve the claim that he does.
If you claim that god exists, then prove it.
on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:51 pm 99.Lou (DFW) said …
89.Ian said …
“Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”
Ian, please look at the patterns in a wind-blown sand dune. They are complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created them. Is wind an intelligent designer?
“If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”
Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”
Atheists don’t simply proclaim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists reject the claim that he does. Atheists don’t have anything to prove. Conversely, if you claim that god exists, then prove it.
Otherwise, simply shut-up and stop embarrassing yourself.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:38 am 100.Burebista said …
“Big bang did not explode from nothing, but from a “cluster” of matter/energy which already existed.”
Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?
Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?
A singularity?
Francis Cricks aliens?
God?
on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:43 am 101.Burebista said …
Todd,
Sandy Hook (two words) happened because evil men do evil things. It wasn’t a lack of laws, it wasn’t God and it wasn’t the NRA. It was a sick man who snapped. Criminals do not follow laws and more laws will not solve the problem of evil.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:23 am 102.Lou (DFW) said …
Sorry about the multiple posts, I kept receiving an error message when posting that I thought was caused by the link.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:26 am 103.Lou (DFW) said …
100.Burp the Babeler said …
“Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?
Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?
A singularity?
Francis Cricks aliens?
God?”
And after hiding for a while, here’s Burp to offer more arguments against off-topic comments when he can’t offer anything to support his delusion about his imaginary god.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:30 am 104.Lou (DFW) said …
101.Burp the Babeler said …
“Criminals do not follow laws and more laws will not solve the problem of evil.”
Neither will praying nor wailing in churches.
Burp will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments, but he never will answer direct questions about his claim of god and an alleged god-given absolute moral code. The fraud returns.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:37 am 105.Anonymous said …
Come on, Lou. You didn’t really think that the sock drawer could resist demonstrating its profound obsession with public displays of stupidity for much longer, did you?
on 16 Jan 2013 at 7:11 am 106.s0l0m0n said …
The patterns in a wind-blown sand dune is just a simple demonstration of what God can design.Now think of other complicated example like the sea waves that can move or the crystal patterns formed during crystallization process.
All these phenomenons are created or designed by God. They are in absolute control.
Atheists can’t disproof that there’s a particular kind of ‘star’ hidden somewhere in the universe.
Atheists can’t also disproof that there’s ‘God’.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 9:10 am 107.Severin said …
100 Burbista
“Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?”
1. I said it was my opinion for which I have no proofs, but sound slogically to me, and fits the fact that, at least, matter obviously exists, while no one ever proved the existence of any god.
2. I will post my proofs for my exposed OPINION as soon as I see your proofs for your OPINION that god exists. I mean, YOU were here BEFORE me to claim something (that god exists, want evidences?).
Liar!
on 16 Jan 2013 at 9:12 am 108.Severin said …
100 Burebista
“Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?”
Sure it wasn’t?
Prove!
on 16 Jan 2013 at 12:06 pm 109.Lou(DFW) said …
107.Severin said …
“Prove!”
Sev, haven’t you learned to avoid off-topic arguments with him?
on 16 Jan 2013 at 12:21 pm 110.Burebista said …
“I said it was my opinion for which I have no proofs, but sound slogically to me”
Huh?
So Severin what you want is this, just to be clear:
You post opinions with no proof while all others post their opinions with proof? Matter and energy exists so it must have always existed and created a man with complex systems is logical? Run that through the scientific method for us Severin.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 1:42 pm 111.Lou(DFW) said …
109.Burp the Babeler said …
“You post opinions with no proof while all others post their opinions with proof?”
LOL! ALL others?
Liar – when did you ever post any proof for your claim that god exists and that he issued an absolute moral code? Show us, liar.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:27 pm 112.Severin said …
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=2473#comment-44660
#305 Burebista:
“Of course I know God exists.”
#110 up here, Burebista:
“You post opinions with no proof …”
Burebista, opinions are to be explained, not proved, and I gave explanation for mine. I never said my opinion is the only correct one.
Now you explain or prove existence of god, because you posted your opinion (“I know god exists”) withot any explanation, not to mention proof.
It is not nice to do something you are criticizing other people for: exposing your opinion without any explanation.
We might understand it as your claim.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:30 pm 113.Anonymous said …
What has the big bang got to do with the question of if this imaginary being “god” is faithful or not?
Burebista. If you have proof that this god isn’t a delusion, that it exists and actually gives a shit, or if you can shed light on the whereabouts of this so-called Christian “moral code” (raping children, lying, shooting school-kids, so it seems?) then post it.
Else stop trolling and stop with the attempts to change the subject with your constant red-herrings and childish comments.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:31 pm 114.Lou(DFW) said …
106.s0l0m0n said …
“The patterns in a wind-blown sand dune is just a simple demonstration of what God can design.”
LOL! God is designing sand dunes by blowing on them while millions of children are starving. Some god!
“Now think of other complicated example like the sea waves that can move or the crystal patterns formed during crystallization process.
All these phenomenons are created or designed by God.”
When a tsunami kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people, then god is the murderer?
“Atheists can’t disproof that there’s a particular kind of ’star’ hidden somewhere in the universe.
Atheists can’t also disproof that there’s ‘God’.”
When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence? Whenever theists proclaim that, then what they mean is that THEY don’t have any evidence for their imaginary god. Atheists need not “disproof” that your imaginary doesn’t exist anymore than they must “disproof” that Zeus doesn’t exist.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:34 pm 115.q said …
Todd,
This article might help you to understand.
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_18645312
on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:39 pm 116.Burebista said …
Burebista “will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments”
Severin,
For the record, I don’t find your comments meaningless and rambling. I’m sorry that Lou is so down on you.
Severin, would you not agree not providing evidence for your opinions but requiring others to provide evidence for their opinion is hypocritical?
on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:58 pm 117.Lou(DFW) said …
114.Burp the Babeler said …
“For the record, I don’t find your comments meaningless and rambling.”
For someone who claims to be fluent in three languages, you have a reading comprehension problem. Either that or, as usual, you attempted to intentionally misrepresent what I wrote in 104.
For the record, my comments were about YOUR comments about TODD, not Sev, dummy.
Regardless, you failed to reply to the rest of 104 -
“…never will answer direct questions about his claim of god and an alleged god-given absolute moral code.”
Fraud.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:03 pm 118.Severin said …
115 Burebista
“Burebista “will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments. … I’m sorry that Lou is so down on you.”
It was Lou’s comment to your reply to someone else’s post (Todd’s, I think), mot mine.
You are showing us your character of a sick liar again.
Don’t you see how miserable you are?
on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:11 pm 119.Severin said …
115 Burebista
“Severin, would you not agree not providing evidence for your opinions but requiring others to provide evidence for their opinion is hypocritical?”
Where is your evidence for your opinion: “Of course I know god exists”?
on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:21 pm 120.Lou(DFW) said …
117.Severin said …
‘Where is your evidence for your opinion: “Of course I know god exists”?’
That’s not an opinion, it’s a statement of fact. And anyone who says that is either a liar or deluded because they “know” no such thing.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:23 pm 121.Severin said …
Burebista,
I had several long discussions with theists on these pages during last few years.
Some of them were very honest, and we ended our debates with each of us keeping his opinion, but without any attempt, from either side, to prove him/herself right using lies and missconstructions, as you do.
Lying so arrantly is only your characteristic.
Not even some Horatios, Xenons, Bens, Solomons, Messengers, etc, never tried to falsify other people’s words, and make false connections and constructions, so directly and so transparently as you do, to try to make himself right.
I am really sorry for you. You must be very, very sick.
Shall I make a list of your lies here?
on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:23 pm 122.Anonymous said …
Lou(DFW) said …
“When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence?”
Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.
There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.
All atheists,however you twist,whatever you twist,you just can’t disproof that there is God.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:24 pm 123.MrQ said …
Bur, previously:
From the laws of thermodynamics, for example. State a case for when the laws were not applicable. Can you? Oh, you’ve got “godidit” as the “escape all reasoning and explanation” card and I am sure you’ll play it.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:26 pm 124.s0l0m0n said …
Lou(DFW) said …
“When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence?”
Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.
There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.
All atheists,however you twist,whatever you twist,you just can’t disproof that there is God.
Sorry….didn’t mention my identity earlier
on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:40 pm 125.Lou(DFW) said …
120.Anonymous said …
“Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.”
Atheists don’t “disproof” that there is a god. Atheists offer evidence and “disproof” of theists’ evidence for their imaginary god.
“There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.”
Really? Which evidence? Which god? Please present it.
“All atheists…can’t disproof that there is God.”
That part of your comment is correct. And just how many times must it be explained to you that we don’t need to “disproof” god anymore than we must “disproof” astrology, alien abduction, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monsters, nor any other of thousands of irrational, illogical beliefs for which there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER?
on 16 Jan 2013 at 7:29 pm 126.Anonymous said …
Standard theist wordplay / equivocation.
“I know” = “I believe”
“Proof” = “Belief”
“Common Sense” = “Belief”
“Truth” = “Belief”
“Fact” = “Assertion”
“You can’t disprove” = “I can’t prove”
“Respect my beliefs” = “Don’t question my assertions”
“Mystery” = “Gullibility”
“Historical” = “Myth”
“Evidence” = “Anecdote”
“Ample” = “Scant”
on 16 Jan 2013 at 10:02 pm 127.Burebista said …
No answer Severin. So you admit you post your opinions with no evidence but the theists must produce evidence with their opinions. Evidence, you of course, get to judge.
Then you have the audacity to question my character.
Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:05 pm 128.Anonymous said …
127.Burebista said …
“No answer Severin.”
LOL! Where are YOUR answers? Where is your god-given moral code?
“So you admit you post your opinions with no evidence…”
Of course he did.
“…but the theists must produce evidence with their opinions.”
Opinions? Are you now admitting that the claims that theists post here are actually nothing but “opinions?” In other words, you’re admitting that you don’t know that god exists, it’s only your “opinion?” Did I understand you? God exists is only your opinion. PERFECT!
“Evidence, you of course, get to judge.”
Judge, no. Refute, yes. So post it, fraud.
“Then you have the audacity to question my character.”
AUDACITY?! LOL! We don’t need no stinking audacity to question your character. Your character is not in any way questionable! We have your lies right here on this blog. You’re a blatant liar and fraud. You don’t have any “character” to question.
“Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.”
Really? Is hypocrisy contrary to your god-given absolute moral code? Prove it, fraud.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:06 pm 129.Lou (DFW) said …
Sorry, anonymous #128 was me.
on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:09 pm 130.Lou (DFW) said …
127.Burp said …
“Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.”
LOL! Sev, you are now on notice! Burp has your “hypocrisy on record.”
on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:16 am 131.Anonymous said …
Well, now we have the matter of Sev’s so-called hypocrisy “on record”, let’s stop with the diversions and get back to facts.
It doesn’t matter which of your sock-puppets you wish to use to post it, “Burp” please provide us with the definitive and absolute god-given Christian moral code that we hear about, but no-one seems willing to provide.
on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:36 am 132.s0l0m0n said …
The real God is not imaginary. It’s more than a scientific fact. It’s supported by the “car manufacturing analogy”.
on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:39 am 133.alex said …
All the Vulcan nonbelievers here are full of shit. Vulcan must be the true god.
on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:20 am 134.Todd said …
How does someone disprove something that does not exist? Xians say God exist because the bible says so. And And what appears to be footprints. And hair of the alleged creature. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
As for bigfoot. There is film footage of the alleged bigfoot.
on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:22 am 135.A said …
Well, I have no problem with Christian mingle. They make money and some singles find a mate. A win-win.
on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:34 am 136.Lou (DFW) said …
134.ASS said …
“Well, I have no problem with Christian mingle. They make money and some singles find a mate. A win-win.”
Yeah, as long as somebody makes money from the gullibility of the deluded religious, it’s a “win-win.” What’s new?
on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:44 am 137.Lou (DFW) said …
133.Todd said …
“And And what appears to be footprints. And hair of the alleged creature.”
“As for bigfoot. There is film footage of the alleged bigfoot.”
Hmm… but there’s no “film footage” of your imaginary god, and there’s more evidence for Bigfoot.
“For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky.”
And for a very long time they thought it was flat and that it was the center of the universe with the sun, moon, and stars all revolving around it – they were wrong about that, and they’re wrong about the existence of their imaginary god.
“Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.”
Oh yeah? I do, and so do many others. There’s no evidence for your imaginary god. All you ever provide is lip service for your imaginary god, and rather pathetically at that.
BTW – if your imaginary god can be seen through “divine nature” with all of his alleged “eternal power,” then why does he need mortal men to publish a piss-poorly written book of stories and to preach in order to communicate with us? Some god.
on 17 Jan 2013 at 5:35 am 138.Todd said …
In the story Les Miserabe the inspector kills himself because he can’t live in a world where people can change because that means his entire life philosphy was wrong. He would rather be dead than live in a world that proves he is wrong about his philosophy.
on 17 Jan 2013 at 6:35 am 139.s0l0m0n said …
Atheists just could not refute the necessity of a God. They could not ever get away from the fact that there must be an intelligent being behind ‘all’ creations.
One will look silly to deny the “car manufacturing analogy”.
It needs intelligence even to sketch a simple cartoon character and the intelligence should surely come from a life being.And Must Not come from an unidentified lifeless form ‘Nature’.
Let’s cite a simple example.
You can’t expect a stone to sketch a simple cartoon character or let’s say even an Ape couldn’t do that.
Atheists won’t be able to account for these simple reasoning.Actually they have no ever substance to deny God.
on 17 Jan 2013 at 6:35 am 140.Anonymous said …
Life cycle of a troll (some stages omitted for simplicity)
A –> Asher –> Burbista –> Tom –> Xenon (repeat)
on 17 Jan 2013 at 12:32 pm 141.A said …
“Atheists just could not refute the necessity of a God. They could not ever get away from the fact that there must be an intelligent being behind ‘all’ creations.”
Solomon, individuals will go to extraordinary measures to protect their worldview. Rather than admit intelligence is a necessity for creation they will make up all sorts of ridiculous possibilities and then argue on blogs about a being that they claim does not exist.
I wonder if they hit the anti-santa blogs as enthusiastically?
on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:31 pm 142.MrQ said …
“A” plays the “escape all reasoning and explanation” card. And, in the process, supports a muslim brother who has condemned him to (((HELL))) for putting his money on the wrong pony.
Well played, sir!!!!!!
on 17 Jan 2013 at 2:12 pm 143.Lou(DFW) said …
139.s0l0m0n said …
“Atheists won’t be able to account for these simple reasoning.Actually they have no ever substance to deny God.”
Can you answer one simple question – of all the thousands of imaginary gods, which one is the real god?
on 17 Jan 2013 at 2:22 pm 144.Lou(DFW) said …
141.ASS said …
“Solomon, individuals will go to extraordinary measures to protect their worldview.”
(sigh) Poor ASS, he has no other way to defend his delusion than to lie about those who don’t agree with him. Disbelief in your imaginary god isn’t a “worldview.”
“Rather than admit intelligence is a necessity for creation…”
We would rather see your evidence for such an empty claim. Please provide it.
“…they will make up all sorts of ridiculous possibilities…”
Actually, no. ASS lies again. The vast, VAST majority of atheists do no such thing.
“…and then argue on blogs about a being that they claim does not exist.”
ASS lies AGAIN. We “argue” about a being that YOU claim exists, but for which you NEVER, EVER provide any evidence.
“I wonder if they hit the anti-santa blogs as enthusiastically?”
Who cares about what you “wonder?” We only care about what you can demonstrate, and so far you only demonstrated that you a delusional, pathological liar and fraud. But it is revealing that you compare your belief in an imaginary god to a child’s belief in imaginary Santa.
on 21 Jan 2013 at 2:17 pm 145.Lesbian Carwasher said …
i just want to know one thing…
if any theist can answer this i will be converted to the religion
How did “god” make all the matter?
he must obey the rules of physics so if you answer in an incorrect manner i will not convert.
now, theists, you have a week!!!
on 22 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 146.s0l0m0n said …
Lesbian Carwasher,
It’s purely simple. God need only to say “be it” and instantly it’s there.That’s higher than physics.
Now (((CONVERT))).
on 22 Jan 2013 at 12:42 pm 147.Lesbian Carwasher said …
*BEEP*
incorrect, you did not abide to the laws of physics, that no matter what, cannot be broken or changed regardless of your “power”
no conversion for i
NOW EVERY ONE CONVERT TO BRONYISM
on 22 Jan 2013 at 3:32 pm 148.s0l0m0n said …
If you say so,lets debate on it.
on 22 Jan 2013 at 3:37 pm 149.Omega said …
Fluttershy is best pony. :3
on 25 Jan 2013 at 10:47 pm 150.Phil said …
And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings. Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.
on 26 Jan 2013 at 4:17 am 151.s0l0m0n said …
Bravo….Phil! Bravo….!
on 26 Jan 2013 at 5:52 pm 152.Todd said …
I was just listening to a scum bag on tv saying if you call now and give one thousand dollars God will work miracles in your life and bless you ten times over. Then he quotes a bible verse where it says about God increasing the number of people a thousand times and bless you as he has promissed. He said write that check for a thousand dollars. And if you don’t have a thousand dollars put it on your credit card. He told about people who allegedly gave all they had because they needed a miracle. And they gave and miracles happend. e said God told him to buy a building for his church. The building was 7.7 million dolllars. He said God told time to give all he had to ten different churches. So he gave 12,000 dollars to ten churches. He claims he got a phone call that 7.7 million dollars was put in his bank account. My point is why does God allow people like this to spew this shit? I asked several xian sites why God allows people to say false things. The answers were God will punish them when he is ready. God allows people to do as they please. But they will be punished. And the simplistic answer is God has his reasons. And we can’t always understand why. So God allows people to be cheated, abused, tortured and killed because he has his reasons. I think if God were real he should do something to stop people before they do evil things. Someone said on youtube that each person is as evil as hitler and others like him in God’s mind. Meaning God does not see one person as more evil as another. So according to them someone who tells a lie is as evil as hitler. I don’t believe that.
on 28 Jan 2013 at 5:05 am 153.s0l0m0n said …
Todd,
God won’t allow people to be cheated, that’s why he give them brains. If the know how to get proper use of their brains, the won’t be cheated.
on 28 Jan 2013 at 5:06 am 154.s0l0m0n said …
Sorry….
……they won’t be cheated.
on 28 Jan 2013 at 8:36 pm 155.Curmudgeon said …
“And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings.”
Phil I would be impressed mightily if a single-cell organism formed from that, much less male and female beings. But they have to believe this. Their entire worldview is at stake and chaos to order must be maintained as random luck to maintain that worldview.
You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.
on 28 Jan 2013 at 8:56 pm 156.Severin said …
#150
“And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings.”
Who ever mentioned “random happening”?
Laws of physics and chemistry are far from anything random.
If you put a glass of water on your table, it sometimes evaporates and sometimes not, THAT would be random.
But it will always evaporate, and that are strict laws of natuere.
” Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.”
Which god? Please specify.
on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:05 pm 157.DPK said …
” Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.”
Well sure it’s EASIER… you don’t have to think about anything. You don’t have to do the work to understand how things really work, you don’t have to learn anything or do any of that hard math or chemistry stuff. Just “God did it” and you’re done.
No wonder theism is the primary worldview of the ignorant and uneducated… because it’s “easier”.
Where would we be if Crick and Watson had said, “A molecule that can replicate itself? Nooo thanks! Believing in a god is easier…”
You’re such an imbecile.
on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:17 pm 158.Anonymous said …
Ass’s latest sock-puppet, attempting to change the subject from his mentally ill beliefs said: “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”
OK, wise guy. Exactly what are those odds?
on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:38 pm 159.Severin said …
#155
“You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”
It would be so if events depended on random chance only.
You obviously don’t know anything about physics and chemistry.
Chance to win every state lotery very small.
Chance to get a new compound form two or more existing compounds are in most cases 100%.
And, if you have a lot of time (3 billion years) and a lot of opportunities – look what happened.
It would be a miracle if nothing had happened under such benefitial conditions.
on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:45 pm 160.Severin said …
#155
“You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”
OK, we discussed that many times before, but you never ever told us: if you think that life did not arise spontaniously from elements and simpler compounds, HOW DID IT BEGIN?
I mean, it is easy to just negate something.
When I negate Bible, I don’t only mock and say it was not so, ha, ha, ha, but I make an effort to explain my opinion.
Now, HOW AND WHEN did god create life?
Did god create life as described in Bible?
Can we kindly expect some explanation, finally?
on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:50 pm 161.Curmudgeon said …
“It would be a miracle if nothing had happened under such benefitial conditions.”
What exactly happened under those “benefitial conditions” Severin?
Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming. Don’t forget your evidence to support each step.
on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 162.alex said …
“Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming.”
why not go to a santa-non-believing site and demand step by step how gifts are manufactured from raw material to the finished product. better yet, demand how the molecules make up the raw material. just to divert attention from the fact that santa doesn’t exist.
i’ll save you the time. evolution, chemistry, and the big bang are 100% bullshit. no need to explain eh? now back to your bullshit religion…..
on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:21 pm 163.Severin said …
#161
“Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming.”
I was specific enough for the beginning: living world is all made of same simple molecules, which could have been synthesized by natural processes during billion of years. What more specific do you want?
Now you:
I don’t ask you to be very specific and to explain things step by step.
It would do if you just tell us when and how did god crate life.
Only in general, for example: was it according to Bible, or some other way, and approximately when?
Thank you!
on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:24 pm 164.Severin said …
#161
“What exactly happened under those “benefitial conditions” Severin?”
How exactly god created life?
It must be simple for you to tell us that story.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:28 am 165.Lou(DFW) said …
155.Crum said …
“Phil I would be impressed mightily if a single-cell organism formed from that…”
I would be impressed if you could ever provide evidence for your imaginary god.
“You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”
Please calculate the odds that the specific individual known as Curmudgeon could be born. Don’t forget to include all the eggs and all the sperm of all the persons who ever lived on the planet. Get back to us when finished.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:34 am 166.Curmudgeon said …
Severin
You can stop with your dodging.
How did that first single cell organism form? In case you do not realize this fact, there was a time when there was not life. Your task, explain the steps, with evidence, that caused this to happen with no God.
I look forward to learning something new.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:13 am 167.s0l0m0n said …
How God create life?
It’s simple. God just blows the “Rokh” (some form of an invincible energy) into some form of a dead body or matter.
Is that clear enough?
Atheists are the ignorant.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:19 am 168.DPK said …
“How did that first single cell organism form? In case you do not realize this fact, there was a time when there was not life. Your task, explain the steps, with evidence, that caused this to happen with no God.”
Oh, that’s easy. Is that all you want. Once there was no life. Then, a magical inter-dimensional space turtle sent a first cell creating machine through an inter dimensional portal and activated it, seeding all the planets, asteroids, and comets in the entire universe with a special magical dust that would assemble itself into a cell when conditions were right, and then magically disappear, leaving no trace of itself behind. Of course, the turtle, being inter dimensional, was able to make this magical dust so that it could never be detected, which is why you will never find it.
See, no god required, and what is more, you cannot prove that I am wrong. Therefore, I am right.
Now, do you admit that my explanation is every bit as logical and possible as yours? And, if not, why?
on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:24 am 169.DPK said …
Oh, sorry…. You asked for evidence too. I almost forgot.
The fact that you cannot find any evidence of the magical dust, or the inter dimensional turtle proves that my hypothesis is true, because that fits exactly with the observable evidence.
No, unless you have a theory that fits better, we can close this diversion, and perhaps you can explain why your god, who is supposed to answer prayers and intercede in human affairs, never actually does that.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:49 am 170.Lou(DFW) said …
166.Crum said …
“How did that first single cell organism form?”
It doesn’t matter how unless you have some evidence that it was done by your imaginary god, much in the same way that the ancients believed volcanoes formed. It was obviously the result of the angry volcano god. This exactly how it was believed that all then un-explainable natural phenomenon occurred.
Crum, you’re nothing but an ignorant ancient, so besides the fact that you’re a fraud who never answers questions about his comments, it’s not expected that you’ll calculate the odds that you were born. Back to the sock drawer with you.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 4:06 am 171.The messenger said …
169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust. Dust is mainly carbon which is an organic material. He created eve by taking one of Adams ribs to form eve. I would suspect that he used the DNA that was located in that rip to make eve similar too Adam.
Given the fact that the bible mentions organic material as the medium from which God constructed livening organisms, it is undead possible that the creation story that is located in the bible is Indeed plausible.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 8:28 am 172.Severin said …
#166
“You can stop with your dodging.”
… said the one who never ever supports his claims with any explanation, and never ever answers any question.
Did god create life?
Yes?
Is it what you say?
Do you DARE to confirm that as your claim?
Now, without many details, just tell us when was it done and how god did it.
I don’t need evidences, and I don’t need “step by step” procedure! Only approximate time and mechanism, in short. A few words will do!
For example, start with the Bible: was life created as described in Bible, or some other way?
If Biblical story does not hold water, we can’t wait to hear the spare story from you.
Maybe you sign Solomon’s #167 post?
SAY SOMETHING of your own, man!
on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:55 pm 173.Lou(DFW) said …
171.The messenger said …
“169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust. Dust is mainly carbon which is an organic material.”
Another messenger lie. Dust is not “mainly carbon.”
You’re such a fool.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:11 pm 174.Anonymous said …
Severin said “#166
“You can stop with your dodging.”
… said the one who never ever supports his claims with any explanation, and never ever answers any question.”
Correct. Every time he’s asked a direct question he either ignores it, evades it, or runs away. That’s because he’s dishonest and he’s a troll. He has no intention of answering questions, he’s only here to cause trouble.
Yet, every time he sets you up, and be clear it’s a deliberate set up, with a what-caused-x question, you rise to the bait and you ALLOW him to escape by playing a game of god-of-the-gaps.
Perhaps if it wasn’t so easy to take advantage of your honesty and your eagerness to help, then we’d have more opportunity to see the theists answer questions instead of this interminable “hey, atheists, how do you explain x” diversionary crap.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:47 pm 175.DPK said …
171.The messenger said …
“169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust.”
Messenger, I am sorry brother, but you are wrong. I told you in 168 and 169 exactly how it happened and I provided unquestionable proof.
How are you so stupid as not to understand that?
I will pray that you will understand one day.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 5:10 pm 176.Scourge said …
#171 Messenger I hate to break it to you but dust is a term for fine airborne solids easily transported in air. This boils down to the ratio of mass to size. It has nothing to do with composition. In cities like New York, much of the dust is exfoliated human skin, in New Delhi much of it is feces. In those two cases, they are carbon-rich. But prior to the planet being covered with humans, and only a couple days accumulation of feces, we can be assured the dust Yahweh puportedly used was more like the dust related to soil. That is for the most part inorganic silt and clay.
Of course, it has now been proven the interdimensional turtle is responsible for creation. Your point is moot.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 7:07 pm 177.Lou(DFW) said …
171.The messenger said …
“169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust.”
If your imaginary god required dust from which to create man, then from what did he create dust?
on 29 Jan 2013 at 8:56 pm 178.Todd said …
Has any big bang theory scientist ever explained where the subatomic particles or what ever came from? They say that was pert of the beginning of everything. I have not heard them say where it came from. Or who caused the big bang. Something can’t come from nothing. The subatomic particles and big banghad to have a source. I would live to ask them what the source is. And now scientist are looking for what they call the god particle. If scientist don’t believe in a god why is it the god particle? They are such hypocrites.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:01 pm 179.Todd said …
It is called the theory of evolution. I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess. So it is just a guess. A guess is not a fact. So saying it is a theory is admitting they don’t know it is 100 percent true. The same with other scientific theories like relativity.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:33 pm 180.MrQ said …
And gravity also?
Couldn’t gravity be explained as “intelligent pushing”? A god is asserting a force (and, coincidentally, his will) on us – keeping us tethered on the big blue marble we all share. There, that fits nicely with the evidence. After all, god cares so much that even evil atheists must endure “intelligent pushing”. A god could remove the force from all non-believers and we’d all float off into space to die a slow and painful death. Todd, if you want to take this idea and run with it, just remember that MrQ discovered it!! You can have second billing – in small typeset – under my name.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:46 pm 181.Severin said …
#178
“Has any big bang theory scientist ever explained where the subatomic particles or what ever came from?”
They did not come from anywhere.
They WERE THERE already, only in different form.
All the matter, enrgy and space were already there, in so called “singularity”, then something “got wrong” and singularity “exploded”: in fact, SPACE started to expand, pulling matter and energy with itslef.
No one ever said that the big bang exploded from “nothing”.
SOMETHING was there, and that SOMETHING “exploded”.
“Something can’t come from nothing.”
“Something can’t come from nothing.”
Like, for example, god?
As you said, if god is “something”, he could not come from nothing.
If he is not “something”, he is nothing, in which case there is no god.
Make your choice, but have in mind that you lose whatever you chose:
Either god exists, and because he is not “nothing”, but is “something, he could not come from nothing (your words), which means he must have been created, which opens the problem of “creator’s … creator’s creator.
Or god does not exists, and all problems disappear.
Try to think about the question:
Why ANYTHING must have been created?
WHY? Because you like it? Try to find the REASON for the claim: “Everything must have been created”.
It sounds so artificial and illogical to me.
WHO said that matter/energy/space must have been created?
IF someone said that, couldn’t he be wrong?
Why wouldn’t you be satisfied if something exists without having been created?
It just exists, period!
If you are satisfied with a god existing without having been created, and do not pose any questions about god’s origin, try to explain WHY can’t we apply the same logic to matter/energy.
WHY?
on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:53 pm 182.Severin said …
In short: matter, anergy and space are not “nothing”, they are “something”, but did not come from anywhere: THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:02 pm 183.Severin said …
#179
“I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess.”
You are wrong. In coloquial speech the word “theory” is used for many different things, including for assumption, guessing, unproved claim, …, but scientific theory is something else.
Here is definition of “theory”:
“A set of assumptions, propositions, or accepted facts that attempts to provide a plausible or rational explanation of cause-and-effect (causal) relationships among a group of observed phenomenon.”
A theory that fits reality is no more “theory” in coloquial meaning, it becomes FACT.
“Gravity theory”, for example, is 100% fact, which you can prove yourself if you put your head under falling rock.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:04 pm 184.DPK said …
on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:01 pm 179.Todd said …
It is called the theory of evolution. I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess. So it is just a guess. A guess is not a fact. So saying it is a theory is admitting they don’t know it is 100 percent true. The same with other scientific theories like relativity.
Go back to wherever you took your “science class” and get your tuition back. If you paid for an education, you were robbed.
Then, google “scientific theory” and learn something that hopefully will help you sound like less of an imbecile.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:05 pm 185.Severin said …
Yet, although the rock will brake your head, it is still called “theory”!
Evolution is also called “theory”, although it is one of the most supported teories ever: IT IS THE FACT.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:32 pm 186.Lou(DFW) said …
179.Todd said …
“It is called the theory of evolution.”
No, it is not, and it never was.
“I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess.”
No, it is not. You were incorrectly taught.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:33 pm 187.Lou(DFW) said …
186.Lou(DFW) said …
“No, it is not. You (Todd)were incorrectly taught.”
Home-schooled?
on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:38 pm 188.DPK said …
Home-schooled?
That, or Bob Jones.
on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:58 pm 189.alex said …
congrats todd. question a fact/theory that you know atheists believe to be true and you get your predictable result. stop it. let me remind you. god is not the default in a CASE or if-then-else statement.
if the earth is proven flat, or gravity is not 100% true, or 1 = 2, it still doesn’t prove shit about your god. please, don’t even try to make that leap: “if atheists are wrong about fact-2387a63, then god exists!, game over”. fucken moron.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:40 am 190.Curmudgeon said …
Todd
It doesn’t even qualify as a theory. They have proof for microevolution but not one shred of evidence for macroevolution. It has been admitted to me that macro is assumed based on micro. They call it science but all it really qualifies as if naturalistic philosophy.
I bought into the theory into my early 30s based on what I was taught. Then I discovered what I was taught was in error, guesses and outright lies mixed with a few facts. If it was real science they would teach it honestly but they don’t because for them it is religion.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:42 am 191.Curmudgeon said …
everin said “They WERE THERE already, only in different form.”
Prove it severin.
Todd, watch severin defend this statement and see how many facts he actually uses.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:45 am 192.Lou(DFW) said …
190.Crum said …
“Todd
It doesn’t even qualify as a theory. They have proof for microevolution but not one shred of evidence for macroevolution.”
At a boy, Crum. Keep up the fraudulent diversion in order to avoid the fact that you don’t have any evidence for your delusion that your imaginary god exists and that he created the universe.
Even IF what you said is true, it still isn’t evidence that your imaginary god is real.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 2:11 am 193.Lou(DFW) said …
191.Crum said …
“Todd, watch severin defend this statement and see how many facts he actually uses.”
Todd, watch what Sev doesn’t do, as Crum would do –
ignore your question, demand that you DISPROVE his claim, or disappear, only to reappear as one of his many sock-puppets.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 2:33 am 194.Lou(DFW) said …
Todd,
I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.
Crum, is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?
If yes, then please provide its location and its actual contents.
If Crum is not a fraud, then he will directly answer both questions. But he is a fraud, so he will not answer both, and most probably will not answer either. Or, he will avoid answering by demanding that I answer a different question of his own. Or, he will demand that I disprove that there is no god-given absolute moral code. Or, he will disappear and one of his sock-puppets will suddenly join the conversation.
Or, Todd, you are and Crum are one and the same.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 4:29 am 195.Anonymous said …
179.Todd said … “I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess”…
No, you were not. Never in a million years could you ever have been taught that in a science class.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:13 am 196.Todd said …
How the hell would you know what I was taught or not taught? Were you there? I think not.
All of the definitions below basically say that a theory is speculation.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Definition of THEORY
1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2: abstract thought : speculation
3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art
4
a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action
b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory
5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena
6
a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
b: an unproved assumption : conjecture
c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject
Synonyms: hypothesis, proposition, supposition, thesis
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:20 am 197.Todd said …
For the longest time scientist said the world was flat. Then they found out they were wrong. They said columbis would fall off the edge of the earth. They were wrong. Scientist have been proven wrong many times. They said it takes millions of years for layers of earth to be created like it is. After mt saint helens volcano erupted all of tose layers of earth were created in hours. Scientist were proven wrong.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:25 am 198.Todd said …
There are lots of sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:28 am 199.DPK said …
Because, Todd, science classes are presumably taught by scientists. And every scientist understands the difference between the use of the word “theory” in the scientific method, vs the common use in English vernacular, which uneducated people, or those wishing to deliberately mislead others, frequently confuse.
Read and learn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 200.Anonymous said …
I didn’t need to be there to know that you are lying or mistaken. It’s that simple “Todd”.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:31 am 201.Anonymous said …
Now that we’ve got your obvious diversion out of the way. How about YOU pony up some proof for sky daddy or whatever it is that you believe in.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 6:07 am 202.s0l0m0n said …
Atheists have no ever reason to refute God.They only have excuses.
They will be thrown into the dungeons of (((((HELL)))))
on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:28 am 203.Severin said …
#191
“Severin said “They WERE THERE already, only in different form.”
“Prove it severin.”
I explained my OPINION in details. Why should I have to prove it? It is only an opinion! You never give any explanation or proofs for YOUR opinions, but are unhonest enough to always require proofs from other people.
Not this time!
Have you ever said there was a god? Or that god created life? Or, is it something you think we should “read” from your mind?
I posed my direct question in #172 about did you, or did you not claim that god created life, but your answer to that simple question never appeared here.
Should I conclude that you cant support your own claims?
Well, I DO conclude that:
- Curmudgeon claims that god created life
- Curmudgeon does not know when and how god created life. He can’t support his claim with a simple explanation (no proofs required).
- Curmudgeon is saying nothing but bullshit.
For a fraud of your size it is more than fair.
Waiting for your kind answer.
(Which will never come)
on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:44 am 204.A said …
“I explained my OPINION in details. Why should I have to prove it?”
Severin, how many tomes must Thelma-Lou tell you, we don’t care about your opinion, only what you can prove.
Then you have the audacity to ask someone else to support their claims.
You are indeed a fraud Sev.
Todd,
You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person. Anonymous and Sev are obsessed with playing.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:19 pm 205.Severin said …
196 Todd
A scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy.
…
Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific KNOWLEDGE (my bold). This is significantly different from the word “theory” in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative.”
So, we did not talk here about a “theory” about whether or not a young lady is wearing a bra, we were talking SCIENTIFIC THEORY.
Scientific theory has only one definition, which you can see above, or “google” it for yourself to be sure.
Now, you probably ACCEPT and TRUST scientific theories about electricity, medicine, thermodynamics, physics, chemistry, …, because you enjoy the fruits of all those SCIENTIFIC THEORIES in your everyday life: you fly planes, you use GPS, you use synthetic materials, you visit doctors when sick, …
Then, suddenly, when a SCIENTIFIC THEORY comes to tell you that something happened 13.7 billion years ago, and it DID NOT happen “from nothing” (but from singularity which already CONTAINED all the space, matter and energy we can see/observe/measure today), you do not believe it!
It is our right, but why is that so, Todd?
You are right to pick out the theories you like from those you don’t like, but it sounds extremely subjective and illogical.
Sorry, but it sounds childlish.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:27 pm 206.Severin said …
#204
“Severin, how many tomes must Thelma-Lou tell you, we don’t care about your opinion, only what you can prove.
Then you have the audacity to ask someone else to support their claims.”
… said a lying mouse from his mouse hole, who never ever answer questions, never support his opinion that there is a god, and that that god created universe and life, never shows us where to find “absolut moral code” for which he claims it exists, NEVER says anything of his own, but only babbles and makes diversions with other people’s words.
Who, the fuck, cares for YOUR opinion, liar?!
Go back to your hole, and think about how to prove YOUR claims.
Or, atleast, to EXPLAIN them.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:35 pm 207.Severin said …
#204
“You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person. Anonymous and Sev are obsessed with playing.”
Here is a direct proof for your diversions.
I have never said in my life that I think that all the theists are the same person.
Prove your lousy words, or eat them.
It would be catstrophy for this world if all theists were as dishonest as you.
I certainly do not think they are, but YOU ARE a liar and a fraud.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:36 pm 208.Severin said …
#202
“They will be thrown into the dungeons of (((((HELL)))))”
For eternity?
on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:46 pm 209.Lou(DFW) said …
Todd,
There’s no such thing as “The Theory Of Evolution.” If you continue to claim so, then please provide it. It’s on the shelf next to “The God-Given Morality Code.”
Todd, even IF there was “The Theory Of Evolution,” then it doesn’t mean that it’s “only a theory.” The theory explains HOW evolution works. It has no bearing on whether or not it’s true.
Is gravity “only a theory?” There are theories about gravity, so according to your convoluted logic, it’s not real.
Now, move on and stop arguing semantics, definitions, and origins. Origins is IRRELEVANT to the discussions about imaginary god and religion unless you have some evidence that imaginary god is the source of the universe. Otherwise, as with ASS and Crum, you are nothing but a troll.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:49 pm 210.Lou(DFW) said …
204.ASS said …
“You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person. Anonymous and Sev are obsessed with playing.”
ASS, you are a blatant, pathological liar. Show us how Sev is “obsessed with playing” as you claim.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:55 pm 211.Lou(DFW) said …
198.Todd said …
“There are lots of sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution.”
It’s very obvious that we’re trying to have a discussion with someone of very limited intelligence. We’re playing chess with a pigeon.
Todd, there are not any “sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution,” much less “lots of.” There aren’t any “sites on google” – period.
Furthermore, that there are websites about a subject isn’t evidence that the subject is true or that the site is a legitimate source of knowledge on that subject.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 12:56 pm 212.Lou(DFW) said …
204.ASS said …
“You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person.”
Says ASS/Mitch/Martin.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:02 pm 213.Severin said …
#197
“They said it takes millions of years for layers of earth to be created like it is. After mt saint helens volcano erupted all of tose layers of earth were created in hours. Scientist were proven wrong.”
THAT is the very essence of science!
To keep “digging” for truth, NOT accepting, anything, ever, as a “final and eternal truth”.
Thanks for writing it.
As about layer of erath, it took hundreds of millions of years for Mount Everest to grow from the see level to more than 8850 metere, and Mt. Everest is STILL growing some 6.1 cm/year. So layers of stones Mt. Everest is formed from are changing extremely slowly.
In the other hand, the island Surtsey was created within a few days by volcano eruption. There are many other islands that were created by undresee volcano eruptions within days or weeks.
There are “zillion” of landscapes that were changed in minutes by catastrohies: volcanoes, tsunamies, earthquakes, you name them, AND there are “zillion” of landscapes that took hundreds of millions of years to formate.
There are, of course, many and many landscapes which needed any period of time in between to formate: from years to billions of years.
AND, there are many very accurate methods to measure the age of those formations.
WHAT is so strange about it?
If you have a glass of water, it will evaporate within hours, or days, depending on temperature.
Same quantity of 100% ether, at same temperature, will evaporate within minutes.
Some processes are slow, other processes are quick, don’t you see it as normal?
on 30 Jan 2013 at 3:35 pm 214.Lou(DFW) said …
213.Severin said …
“Some processes are slow, other processes are quick, don’t you see it as normal?”
Todd’s “processes” are slow.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 4:22 pm 215.DPK said …
198.Todd said …
“There are lots of sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution.”
Todd… there are “lots of sites” on the internet about alien abductions, moon landing conspiracies, and bigfoot sightings. There are even “flat earth” sites on the internet. Do you have a point by making such an absurd observation?
There are “lots of sites” on the internet that deal with the “theory of Jesus” and the complete lack of verifiable evidence that he was even a real person. Does that mean you dismiss the Jesus stories as “just a theory”? If not, why not?
on 30 Jan 2013 at 4:41 pm 216.Lou(DFW) said …
194.Lou(DFW) said …
“Todd,
I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”
“Or, he will disappear and one of his sock-puppets will suddenly join the conversation.”
204.ASS said …
“Todd,
You have become part of a game where all the atheist assume all the theists are the same person.”
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:35 pm 217.Severin said …
202 Solomon
Will I go to hell for eternity because I am an atheist?
Will I ever get your answer to this simple question?
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:45 pm 218.s0l0m0n said …
Severin,
You will probably do.
That’s too simple.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:50 pm 219.s0l0m0n said …
Evolution is a ((((HOAX)))).
Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.
It’s clear now we can see the stupidity in atheists subjects.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 7:38 pm 220.DPK said …
217.Severin said …
202 Solomon
Will I go to hell for eternity because I am an atheist?
Will I ever get your answer to this simple question?
…. Sev… it depends. If Solomon is right, and Allah is god… yes, you’re fucked.
If messenger is right, and Jesus is god… well Jesus loves everyone, except for the fact the bible says blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the one unforgivable sin, except messenger says everyone gets out of hell after they serve their time, except god says hell punishment is eternal… now you know why you have to be very “excepting” to be a christian.
Now, if the Jews are right, there is no hell… remember, there is no mention of hell in the old testament. Gentle loving Jesus brought us that invention.
On the other hand if the inter dimensional seaturtle is real, well, he’s not a god, he’s just a fuckin’ turtle, so no problem.
But, as you well know, there is absolutely ZERO, nadda, none, zip, evidence that would in any way suggest that your consciousness survives the death of your brain, or that is has the ability to “go” anywhere or experience anything, once the electrochemical processes that take place in your brain and nervous system cease to function.
The idea of eternal life is a complete fairy tale, and there is even less evidence to suggest that any idea of it is actually true, than there is that a supernatural being watches over us, answers our prayers, cares about what we eat, when, and who we have sex with and how, and will judge us for “sins”.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 8:08 pm 221.Severin said …
#218
“… except messenger says everyone gets out of hell after they serve their time, …”
That is why I insisted to get an asnwer. I cna see that theists hardly agree in many things, and I wanted to catch them being non-unisone in that specific one, pretty important in Christian religion.
However, thanks for good lough.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 8:57 pm 222.The messenger said …
Brother 218.s0l0m0n, I mean no offence when I say this, I am still on your side.
Brother, Jesus is our savior and therefore he will always love us and will always save us nomatter where we are. If a person in hell reolizes what he did wrong in life and if he is willing to make up for his crimes against God, I believe they God will forgive him and will allow him another chance to go to heaven by sending him to purgatory.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 8:59 pm 223.The messenger said …
Brother 220.DPK, there is alot of evidence that support the afterlife, I have shown you this proof.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 9:15 pm 224.Anonymous said …
Fancy that.
The same people who want to quibble over the exact steps leading to the current ~14 billion year old universe can’t even agree on if hell exists, what it’s like, for how long one is here, if you can be released, who goes there and why?
Likewise, they can’t agree on how you get to the other place, heaven, what that’s like, who goes there, and what happens when you get there.
They can’t agree on the properties of their god, nor can they agree on the nature of his supposed-son or the details of his life, death, or resurrection.
Despite this mess of contradictions they all seem to need to wear the label Christian, proclaim proudly that they are a “true” believer – whatever that means and whatever that involves.
Where they do agree is having no difficulty in claiming the massive plot holes as literary devices and competing theories as not being the work of “True Christians” even though the same label is applied equally throughout the 41,000 different sects of the “true” religion.
It would be funny if they didn’t actually believe any of it to be true.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 10:52 pm 225.Lou(DFW) said …
219.s0l0m0n said …
“Evolution is a ((((HOAX)))).”
Irrelevant. So what if it is?
“It’s clear now we can see the stupidity in atheists subjects.”
Liar, it’s not an “atheists” subject.
“According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the ‘Big Bang’ and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5–4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution.” – International Theological Commission in a July 2004 statement endorsed by Cardinal Ratzinger, then president of the Commission and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, now Pope Benedict XVI.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 10:53 pm 226.Severin said …
Oh, I missed Solomon’s answer!
Solomon, do you and Messenger believe in same god?
Messenger said that all people go to hell only for some time, not for eternity.
One of you must be wrong. Which one?
I leave you two to discuss about it.
As long as possible, please!
Privately, please!
on 30 Jan 2013 at 10:53 pm 227.Lou(DFW) said …
197.Todd said …
“For the longest time scientist said the world was flat.”
Liar – show which scientists said that.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 10:58 pm 228.Severin said …
Messenfer, Solomon said I am going to go to hell for eternity.
You say people go in hell only for some time, depending on their sins, never for eternity.
Are you both Christians?
Do you believe in the same god?
Why don’t you interchange e-mail adresses and clear that question between two men?
Maybe you find some more dissagreements.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:13 pm 229.Severin said …
#222
Oh, I missed Messenger’s answer to Solomon too!
So, Messenger, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot will be in hell for some time (no matter how long, no time is comparable to eternity), then, when they realize what they have done, they wiil enjoy paradize together with Pope John Paul VI and Mother Theresa for eternity?
Is THAT the “justice” of your god? Putting Hitler and Mother Teresa in the same position?
You have said enough, thank you.
If you tomorrow prove me existence of such a god, I would believe he exists, but would spit on him (risking maybe few zillion years of hell, but, as I said, what is a period of time compared to eternity).
MY moral code is better than his; I would never put the “=” sign between Mother Theresa and Hitler.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:20 pm 230.Severin said …
#218
So, Solomon, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot will be in hell for eternity, and I will be in hell for eternity too, although my “sins” are totally nothing when compared to crimes of the mentioned gentlemen.
Is THAT the “justice” of your god? Putting Hitler and Mother Teresa in the same position?
You have said enough, thank you.
If you tomorrow prove me existence of such a god, I would believe he exists, but would spit on him.
MY moral code is better than his; I would never put the “=” sign between me and Hitler.
on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:20 pm 231.Severin said …
Solomon, Messenger,
Don’t you guys see how stupid you are?
on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:26 pm 232.alex said …
god is a generic term for any of the 10,000+ gods. when someone says “god is bullshit”, no matter who says it, it’s right on the money, no? somebody pointed out earlier, aren’t we all atheists?
on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:30 pm 233.Severin said …
Messenger, Solomon,
How can we trust you and debate with you, if you have opposite opinions about same thing?
It seems to me that you are trolls who don’t know what they are tolking about.
If you can’t agree, how do you expect us to trust you?
Maybe atheist are right:
No heaven
No hell
No eternal life
No absolute morality
No god
I mean, we ALL agree about it. No exception, no differences.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:27 am 234.s0l0m0n said …
This is clear cut.
Hitler, Mother Teresa & Pol Pot as well as atheists will be in ((((HELL)))).
There are no contradictions.
If Hitler or Pol Pot repent or plead there is no other than the one true God before they die, then they will spend sometime in ((((HELL)))) and will later accepted in ))))HEAVEN((((.
But I doubt Mother Teresa or the atheists will do such…??
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:30 am 235.s0l0m0n said …
sorry…. Mother Theresa…..
on 31 Jan 2013 at 3:48 am 236.Lou(DFW) said …
231.alex said …
“somebody pointed out earlier, aren’t we all atheists?”
I post that here. EVERY theist is an atheist except for their particular imaginary god. They disbelieve in EVERY SINGLE ONE of ALL THE OTHER IMAGINARY GODS that atheists disbelieve in, except one. For them, atheists are absolutely correct in being atheists for all imaginary gods except theirs – even though they have absolutely no more evidence for their imaginary god than do all the other theists. Such is the power of delusion.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 3:49 am 237.Lou(DFW) said …
194.Lou(DFW) said …
“Todd,
I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”
Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?
on 31 Jan 2013 at 4:31 am 238.A said …
Sevy,
You are telling me you are a man of faith? I thought atheists believe what can be proven?
Sorry we don’t care about your opinions. It is Thelma Lou’s rule. Just keeping Thelma happy. You understand.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:47 am 239.The messenger said …
Brother 229.Severin, are you stupid?
I never said that John Paul or mother Teresa would ever be in hell. Both of those people love God and love others with as much kindness as possible.
If a person is sent to hell he will only be there until his sentence is paid off.
Hell is only temporary, but heaven(eternal paradise) will last FOREVER and eventually heaven is the place where everyone will go as soon as their sins are paid off.
So in reality, hell doesn’t seem that bad when you consider the fact that everyone will eventually be in Heaven one day.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:55 am 240.The messenger said …
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuzari
The link that is shown above will show you a famous piece of writing that was done by a Jewish philosopher that refers to the Earth a bieng round.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:58 am 241.The messenger said …
Brother severin, I have shown you proof of God.
Why do you still demiurge the fact that he is real and the afterlife is real as well.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 6:00 am 242.The messenger said …
In comment 241 Ient to type the word deny instead of demiurge, sorry.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 7:41 am 243.Severin said …
238 A
You are making an idiot of yourself again!?
Well, if you please, why not?
OK, we got used to it, and it is not bad that possible new posters see whom they are dealing with.
Pleas continue, show to everyone what a pathological liar you are.
Where did I say or showed that I was a “man of faith”?
Liar!
Don’t you feel uncomfortable while lying SO much?
Is it pathology?
It seems that it is.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 7:54 am 244.Severin said …
234 Solomon
You are patheticly stupid (or, mayby you are in age of 9, and there is still time to develop your intelligence in some xtent?).
You have to discuss your problems with Messenger, but it seems that he has his IQ about 70, which is much higher than yours.
You will have problems in debating with Messenger.
Go and play with marbles, child, and learn, learn, a lot, maybe, one day, you will reach Messenger’s level of IQ.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 8:04 am 245.The messenger said …
233.Severin, I am teaching the Catholic befiefs which are also the original Christian beliefs.
I think that Solomon is either a Methodist or a Lutheran.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 8:08 am 246.The messenger said …
Brother Solomon, do not misunderstand my previous comment. I have alot of respect for the Protestant branches of Christianity, in fact my mother is methodist.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 12:12 pm 247.s0l0m0n said …
Severin,
If your IQ is sooo goooooood, try answer this.
Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.
Don’t just know how to rant ((((RUBBISH)))).
on 31 Jan 2013 at 12:38 pm 248.A said …
“Where did I say or showed that I was a “man of faith”?”
Sevy! Using hostile language is not necessary. To claim to be such a moral person you are quick to name call and throw out F-bombs. I hope you don’t speak like that in front of kids.! lol!
First you stated an opinion of which you have no proof to support. That is believing in something by faith. Let me share your words.
“I explained my OPINION in details. Why should I have to prove it?”
At least take ownership Sevy. You are Faith-Man!
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:01 pm 249.Lou(DFW) said …
238.ASS the pathological liar said …
“I thought atheists believe what can be proven?”
You can add that misconception to the long list of things that you mistakenly “thought” or, more correctly, to the long list of lies that you post here. Any rational person believes “what can be proven.”
Atheist means one thing and one thing only: disbelief in god.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:04 pm 250.Lou(DFW) said …
248.ASS the pathological liar said …
“First you stated an opinion of which you have no proof to support. That is believing in something by faith.”
No, it isn’t. Just as you lie about the meaning of religion and atheist, you now lie about the meaning of faith and opinion.
ASS, you are a very sad sort.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:07 pm 251.Lou(DFW) said …
247.s0l0m0n said …
“Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.”
You just demonstrated how ignorant you are about paleontology and why any intelligent discussion with you is impossible.
Pigeons on the chessboard…
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:13 pm 252.Lou(DFW) said …
247.s0l0m0n said …
“Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.”
Why did you ignore 225.Lou(DFW) said about the catholic church’s acceptance of the truth of evolution? If you ignore that, then why don’t you ignore what they say about god and religion?
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:24 pm 253.Severin said …
#239
“I never said that John Paul or mother Teresa would ever be in hell.”
Neither did I, ever.
Can’t you read?
Have problems with understanding written?
Why am I not surprised?
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:37 pm 254.Severin said …
# 241
“Brother severin, I have shown you proof of God.”
You did not.
“Why do you still demiurge the fact that he is real and the afterlife is real as well.”
Can you kindly stop forcing your beliefs on me?
You told us many times that you believe in god and that god is real, which is good for you, I congratulate you, I applause, I am happy for you, but leave ME alone and keep your beliefs for yourself.
In this specific case, what is for you a fact, for me is delusion. Period.
I am not interested, thank you.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:43 pm 255.Lesbian carwasher said …
xD
The messenger is some crazy guy.
annnnnny way..
any bronies here?
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:48 pm 256.Severin said …
#245
“233.Severin, I am teaching the Catholic befiefs which are also the original Christian beliefs.”
Again: good for you, I congratulate, I am happy for you, I applouse, … , AND I don’t give a fuck for what you are teaching.
I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR “TEACHINGS”!
Capisci?
“I think that Solomon is either a Methodist or a Lutheran.”
I am not interested in his “teachings” either.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 1:51 pm 257.Severin said …
#247
“Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man …”
You are SO badly educated!
No one EVER said that man evolved from ape.
Someone said here: ask for money back from schools you finished (if any)!
They really did a bad service for you.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 2:03 pm 258.Severin said …
#252
“Why did you ignore 225.Lou(DFW) said about the catholic church’s acceptance of the truth of evolution?”
Because he is probably not a catholic, and catholic “teaching” is unacceptable for him.
It seems that they, after all, do not share the same god!
Let Messenger and Solomon solve their problem!
on 31 Jan 2013 at 2:08 pm 259.Severin said …
Those people are getting more and more patheticly funny.
As a compassionate person, I am getting sorry for them, but if they prefer to keep making fools from themselves, let it be so.
Their problem!
on 31 Jan 2013 at 2:23 pm 260.Anonymous said …
#247
“Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to man …”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8
Use Google for others
on 31 Jan 2013 at 3:23 pm 261.Anonymous said …
258.Severin said … “Let Messenger and Solomon solve their problem!”
This is good advice. It seems very important to both of these that we make the right choice yet they refuse to settle the debate amongst themselves. Clearly trolling is more important to them than the truth.
I propose that Messenger and Solomon prove that they are not trolling by having a debate about which god is the true god, and which is the correct path to heaven. This would seem reasonable if they were honest, and the only reason to declare it unacceptable would be if they were trolling.
Until they agree amongst themselves, it seems a waste of out time to engage them at all.
Hence, let us simply ignore them both until one of them can declare victory by pointing us to their online debate on a Christian or Muslim forum of their choosing.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 4:17 pm 262.Lou(DFW) said …
261.Anonymous said …
“I propose that Messenger and Solomon prove that they are not trolling by having a debate about which god is the true god…”
143.Lou(DFW) said …
“Can you (s0l0m0n) answer one simple question – of all the thousands of imaginary gods, which one is the real god?”
on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:22 pm 263.s0l0m0n said …
Atheists, after not being able to refute God or truth or the evolution HOAX theory resent to labelling theists a troll.((((HELL))))is a just place for them.
Now they are taking an abrupt about turn by saying man does not evolve from ape.There’s tons of evidence that their godfather Charles Darwin says so.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:35 pm 264.s0l0m0n said …
Anonymous,
I don’t even have to peek into the lousy sites or youtube to simply refute the atheists bluffs.
Just provide fossil proofs of the ((((GRADUAL)))) transition from ape to man that must have existed in ((((ABUNDANCE))))) if evolution was true. Now don’t try to run away from the core of the argument.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:37 pm 265.Lesbian carwasher said …
Gentlemen, YOU CANT FIGHT HERE
THIS IS THE WAR ROOM
sorry…i had to…
on 31 Jan 2013 at 5:53 pm 266.s0l0m0n said …
Dear messenger,
I’am neither a Methodist nor a Lutheran. I’am the subject of the only one true God almighty. God of the heavens and god of the earth.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 10:02 pm 267.A said …
Nah, torching atheists is more fun. I can understand pretty much any theists. The atheists are much more fun to poke. First they only believe what is proven then they don’t. Then they only want to hear what is proven then they give opinions. In reality they are faith beings like the rest. They tend to be much angrier and humble…lol!!
on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:37 pm 268.alex said …
“Nah, torching atheists is more fun.”
you think xtians literally torching other xtians is fun? http://goo.gl/uZdmH
humble that, motherfucker.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:45 pm 269.The messenger said …
Brother 266.s0l0m0n, I am glad to hear that you speak in the name of God.
on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:57 pm 270.The messenger said …
173.Lou(DFW), here is proof that carbon is an organic material that is used to make us.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_matter
on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:58 pm 271.The messenger said …
We are called carbon based life forms for a reason, our bodies are made of carbon.
on 01 Feb 2013 at 12:01 am 272.The messenger said …
175.DPK, it states in the bible that we where made from dust, due to the fact that a large amount of our body mass is made of carbon I would suspect that the dust that the bible is referring to is carbon.
on 01 Feb 2013 at 12:14 am 273.DPK said …
175.DPK, it states in the bible that we where made from dust, d
Actually William, we are made mostly of water. Life on this planet almost certainly originated in water. Why doesn’t the bible, in its all knowing miraculous ness, say god made man out of water?
Don’t you ever get tired of having to constantly make excuses for god, and for the bible? For example, you say god does not hate homosexuals, but the bible CLEARLY says we should kill them. Why does god tell us to kill those that he loves?
on 01 Feb 2013 at 12:19 am 274.DPK said …
on 31 Jan 2013 at 11:45 pm 269.The messenger said …
Brother 266.s0l0m0n, I am glad to hear that you speak in the name of God.
William, you are such an idiot. Solomon is a fanatic Muslim, and he thinks you are most certainly burn in hell for eternity for professing to believe in Jesus. He is the one who said Mother Theresa is burning in hell right now.
Furthermore, with respect to YOUR god, he is an atheist too! That’s right, William. Solomon, who you are “glad to hear speak in the name of god” think that your god is completely imaginary and that you worship a FALSE god and will be punished for it.
How can you possibly be so dumb?
on 01 Feb 2013 at 1:09 am 275.s0l0m0n said …
DPK,
In the true religion…God created you from dust, then from a sperm drop.
That means you are created from dust and water.
on 01 Feb 2013 at 1:34 am 276.alex said …
from a sperm drop? ha! ha! fucken ha!
on 01 Feb 2013 at 1:46 am 277.DPK said …
Where did he get the sperm? Wait, maybe I don’t want to know this??
So, in the Muslim religion, man was created when God jerked himself off in the mud?
hahahahaha!!!! Well, that explains a lot, and it proves what I always thought… god is a real wanker!
on 01 Feb 2013 at 1:54 am 278.alex said …
“..God jerked himself off in the mud?”
he felt so guilty afterwards and he had nothing to wipe with, so he cupped his hand with his godness and sprinkled it with the fairy dust and viola! man!
after god rested, he felt bad and he then decreed, no wanking for man and it shall be a sin. this is because life begins with the sperm, if you wank, you’re killing life. damn this post.
on 01 Feb 2013 at 4:42 am 279.Lesbian carwasher said …
well…
if we are getting technical, sperm, while it contains water, is mostly made from other things…
on 01 Feb 2013 at 6:33 am 280.s0l0m0n said …
Lc,
That other things is also made from dust & water.
Whaaaaa….ka…ka…ka…
on 01 Feb 2013 at 6:49 am 281.s0l0m0n said …
A was right..
“Nah, torching atheists is more fun.”
on 01 Feb 2013 at 12:59 pm 282.Lou(DFW) said …
194.Lou(DFW) said …
“Todd,
I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”
Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?
on 01 Feb 2013 at 3:13 pm 283.Anonymous said …
“Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?”
To change his socks, of course.
on 03 Feb 2013 at 7:00 am 284.Matthew said …
God doesn’t believe in atheists.
on 03 Feb 2013 at 7:12 am 285.s0l0m0n said …
Atheists are the fuels of ((((HELL)))).
on 03 Feb 2013 at 6:36 pm 286.Lou (DFW) said …
237.Lou(DFW) said …
194.Lou(DFW) said …
“Todd,
I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”
Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?
on 03 Feb 2013 at 7:25 pm 287.The messenger said …
Brother 273.DPK, the bible is not all knowing. God is all knowing.
on 03 Feb 2013 at 8:12 pm 288.Anonymous said …
Lou, it’s worth repeating your question so as to underscore Crum’s hypocritical position:
The question he’s avoiding was:
on 04 Feb 2013 at 1:11 am 289.DPK said …
And while you’re at it. let’s remind everyone that Crum’s OTHER sock persona, Burebista has failed to answer THIS simple question, even though he has been asked at least 5 times.
Do you agree this statement is true?
“[D]id you know that you are pre-approved for a free blessing right now? The Bible tells me so. If you have a need in your life, Jesus Christ can fix it — no strings attached.”
Why is it so difficult for them to answer even the simplest questions about their faith? Almost makes you think that they have something about their belief in god that they are embarrassed about.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 1:23 am 290.DPK said …
287.The messenger said …
Brother 273.DPK, the bible is not all knowing. God is all knowing.
Isn’t the bible the word of god?
You’re such an idiot… why do you constantly have to make excuses for your god, William? If god is all knowing, and the bible is god’s word, why is it wrong about so many things?
on 04 Feb 2013 at 2:53 am 291.Anonymous said …
“Why is it so difficult for them to answer even the simplest questions about their faith? Almost makes you think that they have something about their belief in god that they are embarrassed about.”
Because the only way they can defend their faith is to ensure that no-one is allowed to ask any questions about it.
Wouldn’t you be embarrassed if you had to admit that your best friend was the equivalent of a comfort-blanket to a group of illiterate and uneducated bronze-age goat herders?
on 04 Feb 2013 at 3:24 am 292.The messenger said …
Brother 290.DPK, the bible only contains the information that mankind needs to know.
The bible is a moral guide for mankind, and a history book that records infotmation about many of the prophets and our Father too.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 3:25 am 293.The messenger said …
291.Anonymous, I have answered many of your questions.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 3:27 am 294.The messenger said …
DPK, the bible is not wrong.
It is the word of Jesus and it is perfect.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 6:53 am 295.s0l0m0n said …
DPK,
“If god is all knowing, and the bible is god’s word, why is it wrong about so many things?”
This is clear cut.
The Bible is the twisted version of truth,manipulated by the Christians scholars.
But there’s one true book that never contradicts.
Sorry messenger, it’s hard but I have to tell the truth.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 10:53 am 296.Lesbian carwasher said …
/\ this is why ;D
on 04 Feb 2013 at 4:17 pm 297.DPK said …
295.s0l0m0n said …
“The Bible is the twisted version of truth,manipulated by the Christians scholars.”
Why should we believe you, instead of messenger?
Messenger, how do you feel about that? Solomon says your bible is not the perfect word of god. He says it is lies and that your god is a false god. You have praised him in the past for believing in god and spreading his word. But, with respect to YOUR god.. Jesus and the Hebrew god of the bible, Solomon is atheist too. He doesn’t believe YOUR god is real either.
So, what is more important? Is it better to believe in ANY god at all rather than no gods? Is that it?
on 04 Feb 2013 at 5:28 pm 298.Lou(DFW) said …
262.Lou(DFW) said …
143.Lou(DFW) said …
“Can you (s0l0m0n) answer one simple question – of all the thousands of imaginary gods, which one is the real god?”
Can you or can’t answer a simple question, or are you simply a troll as is messenger?
on 04 Feb 2013 at 5:30 pm 299.Lou(DFW) said …
297.DPK said …
“So, what is more important? Is it better to believe in ANY god at all rather than no gods? Is that it?”
236.Lou(DFW) said …
“EVERY theist is an atheist except for their particular imaginary god. They disbelieve in EVERY SINGLE ONE of ALL THE OTHER IMAGINARY GODS that atheists disbelieve in, except one. For them, atheists are absolutely correct in being atheists for all imaginary gods except theirs – even though they have absolutely no more evidence for their imaginary god than do all the other theists. Such is the power of delusion.”
on 04 Feb 2013 at 6:22 pm 300.DPK said …
It always struck me as very odd that the majority of religious people are WAY more tolerant of other different religions than they are of those who profess none. Seems strange that they would rather someone believe in a completely different god rather than none at all, even though both positions imply that their particular god is completely imaginary.
Yet. they preach “tolerance” of the conflicting theistic view, but abhorrence for the atheistic view, even though for all practical purposes, they are the same.
Thank you Solomon and Messenger, for making the utter insanity of ALL religions so abundantly clear.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 6:59 pm 301.s0l0m0n said …
DPK,
“Why should we believe you, instead of messenger?”
You can check & compare between the true book and the bible, that’s why you should believe me coz I bring nothing other than the truth.You can debate on any subject and at the end of the day you can never win against truth.
Your attempt to antagonize me with messenger is a lousy try.Soon messenger will find truth through my constant coaching.And not believing in messenger’s god does’nt make me an atheists.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 7:06 pm 302.s0l0m0n said …
Lou(DFW),
I have a simple answer and I’ve said it many times but you are so dumb to accept it.
Of all the “gods” there is only one real true God that is God Almighty, god of the heavens and god of the earth.Let me KIV his name first. It will be much more fun…
on 04 Feb 2013 at 7:34 pm 303.Anonymous said …
Solomon and Messenger are both trolls. If either had even the smallest amount of integrity they’d be engaging the other to demonstrate the truth of their words. But they both lack the capacity for honest intention.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 8:18 pm 304.A said …
Mousy is such a joy. Her only capacity is to wash socks and label all others trolls. With her impressive list of accomplishments (lol!) she passes judgment on all others.
She is a atheist version of TMZ. Careful mousey, you might let a belief slip out then you would be forced to learn the scientific method.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 8:48 pm 305.Anonymous said …
We always know when we’ve rattled Horatio’s cage, as he fires up one of his sock-puppets in order to throw out his childish insults. Enter sock-puppet “A”
Now that you are back as A, and that you are ready for me to expose you as a sock-puppet again, let’s remind everyone of your nonsense.
“A”, seeing as that’s your name of the day, we are still waiting on you to stop being a hypocrite and provide your credentials and your real name. You’ve challenged others to do so, let’s see you prove your claim to be a … don’t laugh everyone, he claims to be an Astrophysicist. (That’s why people call him Ass. That and his intellect and behavior).
When you have done that, you can provide evidence that passes scientific muster for the existence of your imaginary friend.
Away you go. Ass.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 9:29 pm 306.A said …
Point proven right on cue! Lol! Thank you darling! A little attention was all you needed.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 9:35 pm 307.Anonymous said …
Messenger and Solomon. Please show us which of you represents the one true god. If one if real and one is false, the other should submit.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 9:49 pm 308.DPK said …
This is true,
They cannot both be right… but they can both be wrong. hmmmmmm
D
on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:00 pm 309.Lou(DFW) said …
302.s0l0m0n said …
“Let me KIV his name first. It will be much more fun…”
Yes, it’s more fun for you to troll than to actually engage in an honest discussion.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:07 pm 310.Severin said …
301 Solomon
“Soon messenger will find truth through my constant coaching.”
Messenger, are you going to become a Muslim?
Will ou reject Bible and accept Koran?
Or, will you try to convert Solomon to Christianity?
on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:29 pm 311.The messenger said …
307.Annoymous, we both represent him.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:37 pm 312.The messenger said …
Brother 310.Serveren, I will never convert to Islam. I have told you that I believe Islam has been corrupted by hate and greed of land.
I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I just do not agree with their belief system. I love all people, no matter what religion they have, but I will not support the Islamic belief system due to the countless terrorist attacks on the innocent in the name of Islam.
I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I am just not very fond of their belief system.
on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:45 pm 313.The messenger said …
Brother 295.s0l0m0n, the bible is not flawed or corrupt in anyway, it and the Torah are the two true perfect words of God. The Torah is unfinished due to the fact that it does not yet include the New Testament.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 12:01 am 314.DPK said …
Soon messenger will find truth through my constant coaching.And not believing in messenger’s god does’nt make me an atheists.
Yes it does. You don’t believe in messenger’s god any more than I do. Therefore, with respect to messenger’s god, you are atheist. You do not believe he exists.
You have about as much chance of convincing anyone here of anything except your insanity as ASS has of convincing anyone he is a capital “A” Astrophysicist. Which is exactly zero. Solomon, even the crazy ass Christians here think you’re a nut job? Do you really think you are doing your religion a favor here? You have done more to harm the image of Islam in the eyes of he infidels than anyone since 9-11.
Hahahaha…. You’re such a doofus.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 2:52 am 315.The messenger said …
Brother 301.s0l0m0n, are you Jewish or Islamic?
Just wondering.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:31 am 316.Lou(DFW) said …
304.ASS said …
“Her only capacity is to wash socks and label all others trolls. With her impressive list of accomplishments (lol!) she passes judgment on all others.”
I see you do it over and over and over, and I ask again – ASS, can you not control your pathological lying?
And nobody cares about anyone’s “list of accomplishments.” But there is one thing that you will NEVER, EVER accomplish – production of evidence for your imaginary god.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:34 am 317.The messenger said …
Brother Solomon, do not listen to DPK.
Keep spreading our father’s word.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:36 am 318.The messenger said …
Brother 316.Lou(DFW), we have shown you proof of God.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:37 am 319.The messenger said …
on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:37 pm 312.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Brother 310.Serveren, I will never convert to Islam. I have told you that I believe Islam has been corrupted by hate and greed of land.
I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I just do not agree with their belief system. I love all people, no matter what religion they have, but I will not support the Islamic belief system due to the countless terrorist attacks on the innocent in the name of Islam.
I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I am just not very fond of their belief system.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:37 am 320.The messenger said …
on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:45 pm 313.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Brother 295.s0l0m0n, the bible is not flawed or corrupt in anyway, it and the Torah are the two true perfect words of God. The Torah is unfinished due to the fact that it does not yet include the New Testament.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 4:56 am 321.Anonymous said …
If Ass doesn’t like being called out for trolling and sock-puppeting all he has to do is produce evidence for his god instead of his constant sniping and attempts to derail meaningful conversation. What a loser.
As it is, his latest “contribution” is designed to distract from the call for our Muslim troll and our Christian troll to prove that one of them is telling the truth.
So far, from the lack of response, it’s obvious that all are liars and trolls. What a surprise.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 5:29 am 322.The messenger said …
321.Anonymous, we have provided proof.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:18 am 323.s0l0m0n said …
I’am the truth. Atheists are liars.
Who create the 1st. design of things?
Answer this if you atheists are the man of truth.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:35 am 324.s0l0m0n said …
If you atheists fail to answer it correctly or truthfully then you will remain among the stupid lots!!
on 05 Feb 2013 at 1:08 pm 325.Lou(DFW) said …
323.s0l0m0n said …
“I’am the truth. Atheists are liars.”
By definition, rejection of your belief cannot be a lie. Therefore, your claim is a lie.
“Who create the 1st. design of things?”
There’s no evidence of any “who” as you suggest.
“Answer this if you atheists are the man of truth.”
OK, my answer is that there is no creator as you suggest.
But, your demanding questions of we who make no claim about god are irrelevant diversions the the undeniable fact that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god – one that you are obviously ashamed to claim by name.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 1:09 pm 326.Lou(DFW) said …
324.s0l0m0n said …
“If you atheists fail to answer it correctly or truthfully then you will remain among the stupid lots!!”
LOL! Says the guy who won’t even admit in which imaginary god he believes or which religion he follows.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 2:27 pm 327.Anonymous said …
So, when pressed to explain their his so-called-god is the true one as opposed to the other person’s so-called-god, the trolls refuse to answer.
Losers.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 4:38 pm 328.Lou(DFW) said …
323.s0l0m0n said …
“I’am the truth.”
“Answer this if you…are the man of truth.”
If YOU are a man of truth, then answer this – which is your specific god and which is your specific religion?
If you don’t answer, then YOU are not a “man of truth,” and you are exposed for what you are – a fraud and a troll.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 4:44 pm 329.Lou(DFW) said …
194.Lou(DFW) said …on 30 Jan 2013 at 2:33 am
“Todd,
I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.”
Oh where oh where did our fraud, Crum, go?
Interestingly enough, Todd also disappeared.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 4:55 pm 330.s0l0m0n said …
Lou(DFW),
‘“Who create the 1st. design of things?”
There’s no evidence of any “who” as you suggest.’
If I ask another question….
Who create that car?
Your answer will be as if nobody create that car.Everything must be created except God.That’s a reasoning fact.
You are not only a ((((LIAR)))) but also a ((((condemn fool)))). You will inherit ((((HELL)))).
on 05 Feb 2013 at 6:09 pm 331.DPK said …
“Your answer will be as if nobody create that car.Everything must be created except God.That’s a reasoning fact.”
That’s not a “reasoning fact”.. that’s an unfounded claim. Why does “everything MUST be created EXCEPT god”? Because you said so? Why must “everything” have a creator, but not god? In other words, if you can accept that your imaginary god did not have a creator, why can you not accept that perhaps something else did not have a creator either?
Your answer violates its own premise, you doofus. Besides, if your god created “everything” then what did messenger’s god do? Nothing?
on 05 Feb 2013 at 6:18 pm 332.Todd said …
I did not disappear. I am reading what people say. I just don’t have anything to say at the time. I doubt anyting anyone says can change what people believe.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 7:26 pm 333.Lou(DFW) said …
330.s0l0m0n said …
I answered your questions that you asked in 323.s0l0m0n said ….
But being the cowardly fraud that you are, you didn’t answer my questions about your faith, namely:
If YOU are a man of truth, then answer this – which is your specific god and which is your specific religion?
Therefore, you have been exposed as a fraud and a troll, just as Crum was.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 7:39 pm 334.Lou(DFW) said …
332.Todd said …
“I did not disappear.”
Yes, in effect, you disappeared since you were challenged in:
215.DPK said …
209.Lou(DFW) said …
205.Severin said …
194.Lou(DFW) said …
And I only listed those comments that had actual questions to which you failed to reply. I omitted the other comments that were replies without actual questions, but to which you also failed to reply.
Todd, what happened to your buddy, Crum? Was he not exposed as the fraud that he is? He did exactly what I said he would do.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 7:51 pm 335.Lou(DFW) said …
330.s0l0m0n said …
“Lou(DFW),
You are not only a ((((LIAR))))”
Show me where I lied.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:02 pm 336.Curmudgeon said …
Todd,
Pay the taunts of Lou, anonymous no mind. This is part their playground antics. They don’t yet realize most of us are busy while they have nothing better to do.
Perhaps if they presented so valid debate points it might be a more worthwhile endeavor but alas they are more concerned with “gotcha” and saving face.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:34 pm 337.Lou(DFW) said …
“336.Curmudgeon said …
“Todd,”
HA-HA-HA! After days of absence, Crum and Todd suddenly and miraculously reappear within minutes of each other.
Crum/Todd, you’re such a tool!
Oh, and by the way, Crum/Todd:
194.Lou(DFW) said …
“Crum, is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?
If yes, then please provide its location and its actual contents.
If Crum is not a fraud, then he will directly answer both questions. But he is a fraud, so he will not answer both, and most probably will not answer either.
“Or, he will disappear and one of his sock-puppets will suddenly join the conversation.
Or, Todd, you are and Crum are one and the same.”
on 05 Feb 2013 at 8:36 pm 338.Lou(DFW) said …
336.Crum said …
“Perhaps if they presented so valid debate points…”
Such as your alleged god-given absolute moral code?
“…it might be a more worthwhile endeavor but alas…”
Obviously, for you, it’s not a “worthwhile endeavor” to present your alleged god-given absolute moral code – FRAUD.
on 05 Feb 2013 at 9:17 pm 339.Anon said …
It’s very simple, christards are fucked up in the head.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 12:10 am 340.Lou (DFW) said …
336.Crum said …
“They don’t yet realize most of us are busy while they have nothing better to do.”
Crum is busy – too busy to provide evidence for his imaginary god or provide his alleged god-given moral code, but he’s not too busy to have sock-puppet conversations with himself in a vain attempt to defend himself for his lack of integrity.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 1:31 am 341.s0l0m0n said …
DPK,
“Your answer violates its own premise, you doofus.”
No….not so….
What I say is true and it will always be.
Why did I say everything must be created except God.
God can’t be created coz’ God is equivalent to ((((nothing))).
How can nothing be created you (((FOOL))).
on 06 Feb 2013 at 1:44 am 342.Curmudgeon said …
HA Ha HA, Todd now you are a sock. Congratulations!
One thing you will find, if you spend any time here, is A-Mouse and Lou are OCD about Socks and something called “evidence” which the are completely clueless about.
I like to sit back and watch them in their native habitat. Take notes on how often they attack Christians, their own (who they confuse for Christians), call someone liar and talk about Socks! I think Lou and A-Mouse are both out of work.
Messenger and Solomon, I hear tell you are up for sock-hood too. Keep up the good work.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 2:08 am 343.MrQ said …
Cur,
Since you are the expert on “evidence”, why don’t you reveal what you’ve got? You have been playing the cards close the the vest – time to show your hand. What’s that? All you’ve got is a poker face….All sizzle and no steak, big hat and no cattle….we get the picture.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am 344.Lou(DFW) said …
341.Crum said …
“A-Mouse and Lou are OCD about Socks and something called “evidence” which the are completely clueless about.”
Yes, we’re all “clueless” about your evidence because you don’t have any.
For the purpose of this comment, let’s assume you are correct. Let’s forget about “evidence.” Simply provide your alleged god-given absolute moral code. You STILL have not done that, and you won’t, because you are a liar and fraud.
“I like to sit back and watch them in their native habitat.”
That’s all you can do because you can’t add anything of substance to the conversation.
“I think Lou and A-Mouse are both out of work.”
Who cares what you think about our “work?” We only only care what you can add to the conversation.
Now back to demonstrating that you are a fraud.
Is there or is there not a god-given absolute moral code?
If there is one, then what is it?
Unless you answer one or both of those question, then you remain, as previously demonstrated, a fraud.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 3:39 am 345.The messenger said …
on 05 Feb 2013 at 3:37 am 319.The messenger said …
on 04 Feb 2013 at 11:37 pm 312.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Brother 310.Serveren, I will never convert to Islam. I have told you that I believe Islam has been corrupted by hate and greed of land.
I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I just do not agree with their belief system. I love all people, no matter what religion they have, but I will not support the Islamic belief system due to the countless terrorist attacks on the innocent in the name of Islam.
I am not prejudice against Islamic people, I am just not very fond of their belief system.
The bible and the Torah are the two perfect religious texts. The Korran is not one of them.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 6:29 am 346.s0l0m0n said …
I don’t know what sort of evidence the atheists are nagging for. Actually they have no substance to refute God. All the evidence are around them. Even if they want evidence of God to appear in front of their eyes, they would not be able to recognize him coz’ God is equivalent to nothing.
Whaaaa….ka…ka…ka….
on 06 Feb 2013 at 10:41 am 347.alex said …
‘Since you are the expert on “evidence”..’
who the fuck is the expert here? that evidence shit you keep trotting out is nothing but bullshit. even your fellow morons cannot even agree on the color of your own bullshit. allah is this, jesus is that, budda is fat, zeus smells, blah and more blah.
what’s my contribution? on my tablet, i pointed out to the gay dude volunteering at the salvation army, about the army’s stance on homosexuality and he promptly quit. just pointed it out, that’s all.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:29 am 348.alex said …
“Actually they have no substance to refute God.”
you got any substance to refute that the goddess linda lovelace created the universe? wake up and see the bullshit, you dumbass.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 12:14 pm 349.Lou(DFW) said …
346.s0l0m0n said …
“I don’t know what sort of evidence the atheists are nagging for.”
We don’t want any evidence from you.
But being the cowardly fraud that you are, you didn’t answer my questions about your faith, namely:
If YOU are a man of truth, then answer this – which is your specific god and which is your specific religion?
But you don’t answer. Therefore, you have been exposed as a fraud and a troll, just as Crum was.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 12:54 pm 350.A said …
Solomon,
They don’t know what evidence they are looking for either. I have challenged them on it and they cannot come to consensus.
Take their religion which is neo-Darwinism. Ask them to prove man evolved from the primordial soup and provide proof using the scientific method. They refuse to do so. They cannot achieve what they ask you to do. However they call this fact.
Then ask them to provide their background that gives them them the qualifications to rule on the evidence for God. They refuse to provide this as well.
They are only bored young men who want to argue constantly. I would call them frauds but that implies they represent something.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 1:06 pm 351.Lou(DFW) said …
350.ASS said …
“Take their religion which is neo-Darwinism.”
Your repetitive, diversionary lies have become soooooooo tiresome.
For the moment, forget about “evidence.”
If you can for one single instant be an honest person, then please provide the god-given absolute moral code that you claim exists. You don’t have to provide evidence that it’s god-given. Simply give us the code. Unless you do, it’s further proof that you are nothing but a lying fraud.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 2:07 pm 352.s0l0m0n said …
Dear A,
Lou(DFW) doesn’t stop nagging for my faith. He is actually hijacking time by not able to answer most of my doctrine questions.They are willingly ready to submit themselves to (((HELL))) rather than admit they have been wrong all along or have been swayed from the true path due to sins or boastfulness.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 2:13 pm 353.MrQ said …
A, the idiot, claims:
You’re confusing abiogenesis with evolution….again.
*sigh* Let’s try this again. Remember you and your “lost in the woods” friend Castbound? The three of us tried to get a dialog going and (like this thread inevitably will) the conversation abruptly ended.
Maybe we should examine the Theory of Evolution. Find out how a religiously inspired pro-evolution sites such as biologos.org can simultaneously support both your xtian mind spasm and real science. Sheesh…dead thread alert.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 4:13 pm 354.Lou(DFW) said …
342.Crum said …
“Messenger and Solomon, I hear tell you are up for sock-hood too. Keep up the good work.”
The messenger said …
“God created the ansestors of the animals that we know of in this time period, and over time God made some of his creations evolve into different species.”
Crum, mess claims that macro-evolution is true.
Care to correct him?
on 06 Feb 2013 at 5:50 pm 355.Lou(DFW) said …
352.s0l0m0n said …
“Lou(DFW) doesn’t stop nagging for my faith. He is actually hijacking time by not able to answer most of my doctrine questions.”
Liar, I answered everyone of YOUR questions about god and religion. You don’t answer mine. Such is the mind of a delusional theist.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 5:59 pm 356.Lou(DFW) said …
350.ASS said …
“I would call them frauds but that implies they represent something.”
Oh boy, it’s ASS’ all too familiar “I know you are but what am I?” defense.
What you would call anybody is irrelevant.
There is one and ONLY ONE thing that atheists represent here – disbelief in your imaginary god. Atheists per se don’t represent science, biology, origins, morality, or any other of a number of topics that you and you sock-puppets and fellow theists fraudulently introduce into the discussion to divert attention from one simple, absolute fact – that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:22 pm 357.Curmudgeon said …
“Lou(DFW) doesn’t stop nagging for my faith.”
That is all lou can do, He wants you to come out with claims so he can make fun of it. He likes to put on yuck-fest with his blog buddies.
It is all this little guy has in his life. Notice how he is very careful to not make a single truth statement on neo-darwinism or to answer any question you pose to him? Things like morality, origins, metaphysics and epistemology completely eviscerates his little mind.
Sorry I responded to you Solomon. You will now be called a sock! They are so predictable.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:33 pm 358.alex said …
“make a single truth statement on neo-darwinism”
who gives a flying fuck about your typical lame diversion? here’s the drill: article is posted. you morons start making up excuses. excuses are shot down. you attack atheists attributes. you generalize about atheists. you asks atheists about the shit you just generalized. that’s all you fuckers do. when atheists refuse, you whine->”atheists refuse to answer”->”atheists don’t take a stand”->”atheists are full of shit”…but you never bring anything to refute the article. just more fucken bullshit.
on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:50 pm 359.Lou(DFW) said …
357.Crum said …
“Notice how he is very careful to not make a single truth statement…”
Notice how you NEVER, EVER provide any evidence to support your claims about your imaginary god.
To wit:
Crum, is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?
If yes, then please provide its location and its actual contents.
If Crum is not a fraud, then he will directly answer both questions. But he is a fraud, so he will not answer both, and most probably will not answer either.
“…on neo-darwinism or to answer any question you pose to him? Things like morality, origins, metaphysics and epistemology completely eviscerates his little mind.”
Crum, those topics are not part of the purpose of this blog, and you know it. You and your ilk use them as diversions to avoid discussing the actual topics – god and religion. I have no desire to discuss those things here because there are other blogs and forums for discussion of them, and you know it.
Why are you such a weasel?
on 06 Feb 2013 at 11:54 pm 360.Lou(DFW) said …
357.Crum said …
“Things like morality, origins, metaphysics and epistemology completely eviscerates his little mind.”
Eviscerates? LOL!
For the purposes of this discussion, let’s assume that’s true. How does that give you cause to refuse answer a simple question about your alleged god-given moral code? It’s a simple question with a simple answer, unless you answer otherwise, then the answer is that it doesn’t exist and that you are simply lying about it.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 12:10 am 361.DPK said …
357.Crum said …
“Notice how he is very careful to not make a single truth statement…”
This, coming from the person from whom it took a full week of asking about the specific properties of his god would admit nothing more than that god was a “somewhat clever, kind of powerful” being. Now THAT is rich!
Curm and Burbee, give a whole new level to the idea of hypocrisy.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 12:29 am 362.Lou(DFW) said …
361.DPK said …
“Curm and Burbee, give a whole new level to the idea of hypocrisy.”
And we don’t need no stinkin’ god-given code to determine it!
on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:22 am 363.s0l0m0n said …
The atheists are nagging for our faith or some sort of absolute moral code, which is not so relevant to a more important or crucial discussions on faith just to make it seems like that theists aren’t responding to their question. Your tricks are busted.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 1:11 pm 364.Lou(DFW) said …
363.s0l0m0n said …
“The atheists are nagging for our faith or some sort of absolute moral code, which is not so relevant to a more important or crucial discussions on faith…”
Hello? It was THEISTS here, not atheists, who introduced the subject of a god-given moral code.
“…just to make it seems like that theists aren’t responding to their question.”
LOL! Make it seem?! You actually DON”T answer!
on 07 Feb 2013 at 1:30 pm 365.Martin said …
“It was THEISTS here, not atheists, who introduced the subject of a god-given moral code.”
Prove it. Provide a quote.
Then provide us with the atheists moral code without changing the subject.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 2:24 pm 366.Lou(DFW) said …
Let’s have a little fun with ASS/Martin/Mitch…
on 07 Feb 2013 at 2:51 pm 367.Lou(DFW) said …
365.Martin said …
“Prove it. Provide a quote.”
LOL! Now you want ME, an atheist, to prove for you that atheists, not theists introduced the idea that their imaginary god issued an absolute moral code? Are you now implying that there isn’t a god-given absolute moral code unless I prove it to you?
“Then provide us with the atheists moral code without changing the subject.”
How many times must we explain it to you? There is no “atheists moral code!”
on 07 Feb 2013 at 3:17 pm 368.Martin said …
“you want ME, an atheist, to prove for you that atheists, not theists introduced the idea that their imaginary god issued an absolute moral code?”
No, I wanted you to prove theists introduced the idea.
Lou was hoping to have some fun. He proceeded on to google to find a quote which he felt certain he would fine and then he could not. Now, he comes back with nothing to offer.
Lou, if there is no atheist moral code how do atheist determine what is right and wrong? How can they claim another is evil or wrong as they do on a regular basis without a moral code?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 3:57 pm 369.alex said …
“No, I wanted you to prove theists introduced the idea.”
ok. you win. atheists are full of shit about god’s moral code. 1 point for you.
does it exist? god’s moral code and where is it?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 4:09 pm 370.Lou(DFW) said …
368.ASS/Martin/Mitch said …
“No, I wanted you to prove theists introduced the idea.”
Do you also want me to prove that atheists introduced the idea of god? Theists introduced the idea of imaginary god and his alleged code. By definition, atheists cannot do that.
“Lou, if there is no atheist moral code how do atheist determine what is right and wrong?”
Society and individuals “determine what is right and wrong,” not some alleged god-given absolute moral code.
“How can they claim another is evil or wrong as they do on a regular basis without a moral code?”
The same way that you do – “they” decide on their own, not by using a non-existent imaginary god-given moral code. However, all of this discussion about morals is irrelevant unless you can produce your imaginary god-given absolute moral code. It’s similar to discussing who’s the better captain, Kirk or Picard, because neither of them exist. Discussing your imaginary god-given absolute moral code v. “atheist moral code” is the same because neither of them exist.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 5:41 pm 371.Severin said …
#363
“The atheists are nagging for our faith …”
OUR faith?
So, your faith IS equivqlent to A’s, Messenger’s, Curmudgeon’s, …’s?
Didn’t you say their faith was a bullshit compared to yours?
“… just to make it seems like that theists aren’t responding to their question.”
It is possible that we missed theist’s answers.
Now, to avoid any further missunderstanding, here is a simple direct question for you:
Where can I find and read the god given absolute moral code?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 5:41 pm 372.Martin said …
“Society and individuals “determine what is right and wrong,” not some alleged god-given absolute moral code.”
That’s good Lou but we have some major issues here. Does that mean killing a woman for showing her face is an immoral act? What about an killing an atheist for being an atheist? or a Christian for converting from Islam? These are morally acceptable killings?
As for individuals, does every man decide for himself? If this is true, how is anything immoral?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:16 pm 373.MrQ said …
Martin, with some doozies:
These sound like issues that theists grapple with. Also include, keeping slaves, beating women, fucking your kin, bombing the abortion clinic, flying the plane into the building, etc, etc.
Since humans have existed for hundreds of thousands of years WITHOUT the need of formulating god concepts, when did the sudden need of YOUR subjective morality become of paramount importance?
Martin/A/Cur/Hor sound like the kids that ate from the glue bottles in school. Often arriving with their underpants on the outside of their clothes. You know, the “special needs” students. Not judging, just observing.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:18 pm 374.DPK said …
“That’s good Lou but we have some major issues here. Does that mean killing a woman for showing her face is an immoral act?”
You mean like some Muslims, following their particular god given moral code believe?
Certainly not. I take it you agree?
How about killing homosexuals? I take you you also find that morally wrong? But according to your god’s instructions, written plain as day in his holy book.. it is not? Same with capturing and holding slaves. Morally ok according to your god.
Ok, let’s forget the old testament problems you wish to ignore. Is it ok to kill an enemy in wartime? Is it ok to kill someone to prevent him harming others? Is it ok to execute murderers?
How do you know? What is the “absolute” moral code that lets YOU decide when you can kill someone or when you cannot? Time to put up or shut up Martin. Show us where you have ANYTHING that doesn’t require YOU to make a moral judgement.
I’ll save you the time… you can’t, because it doesn’t exist.
Despite this, most civilized people seem to agree on major points of what is moral and what is not… BUT there ARE situations where reasonable, moral people can disagree. This is because absolute morality is a myth.
Now, if you wish to prove me wrong, it will be simple enough to do. Show us this absolute moral code, show us that it is indeed absolute, show us that it indeed came from a supreme being, and show us how it is superior.
Since you can’t… please shut the fuck up.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:51 pm 375.40 Year Atheist said …
Atheist Ethical Law Makers
The “Good Without God” concept has taken a body blow. The American Atheist organization is instituting a non-relativistic law of behavior for Atheists who don’t seem to know how to behave. It seems that Free Thinkers are also pretty free with their behaviors, especially toward the opposite sex. Here is an article from the Examiner on Free Wheeling Free Thinkers:
American Atheists is instituting a Code of Conduct after recent complaints of harassment at various events including inappropriate and aggressive behavior, particularly against women. President of American Atheists David Silverman had the following to say in reference to the code.
“The Code of Conduct will allow all conference attendees to know that American Atheists’ events are safe, fun and informative. We want people to enjoy themselves but know there will be consequences for harmful behaviors.
Anyone attending events are asked to comply with the rules which include no touching without asking, no racist, homophobic or other stereotypical speech.
Todd Stiefel of the Stiefel Freethought Foundation described the situation by saying:
“There are stories of people being relentlessly propositioned, groped under tables, threatened with rape, stealthily photographed for voyeuristic pornography, and many other transgressions. Even if any of the specific cases were unintentional, misconstrued, or dubious, the fact that so many of them are coming to light should concern all of us.
The source of the harassment is unknown as to whether skeptics are instigating it or visitors but regardless they are letting people know it will not be tolerated. Much of the harassment according to Stiefel is from men harassing women but he cautions men can be on the receiving end to as he was at one time.
The AA includes “consequences” for infractions, apparently. But a quick visit to their website doesn’t lead directly to any indication of a “Code of Conduct”, much less any consequences for misconduct. What is easily found, however, is a long article on ethics which concludes thus:
“The task of moral education, then, is not to inculcate by rote great lists of do’s and don’ts, but rather to help people to predict the consequences of actions being considered. What are the long-term as well as immediate rewards and draw-backs of the acts? Will an act increase or decrease one’s chances of experiencing the hedonic triad of love, beauty, and creativity?”
What? No do’s and don’ts, just calculating the potential success of hedonic reward? Why that’s exactly what the boys were after in their own immature and socially retarded fashions: hedonic reward. Remember, there’s no good or bad, there’s only success and failure: it’s all right there in the textbooks on evolution. So Free Thinkers who are Thinking Freely are now “bad” for some unknown ethical determination which is not part of Free Thought or Atheism.
As for Consequences, what is AA going to provide as punishment? Revoking the incorrigible’s right to purchase “A” tee shirts at the AA web-store? Short of reporting infractions to the police (they apparently did not, just like the Catholic Church), AA has no consequences to dole out. It is perfectly possible to be an Atheist without AA.
The final paragraph of the AA article on Ethics is this:
“Thus it happens, when the Atheist approaches the problem of finding natural grounds for human morals and establishing a nonsuperstitious basis for behavior, that it appears as though nature has already solved the problem to a great extent. Indeed, it appears as though the problem of establishing a natural, humanistic basis for ethical behavior is not much of a problem at all. It is in our natures to desire love, to seek beauty, and to thrill at the act of creation. The labyrinthine complexity we see when we examine traditional moral codes does not arise of necessity: it is largely the result of vain attempts to accommodate human needs and nature to the whimsical totems and taboos of the demons and deities who emerged with us from our cave-dwellings at the end of the Paleolithic Era – and have haunted our houses ever since.”
It appears that nature alone doesn’t work for Atheists these days; apparently they need rules in order to know how to behave. So AA has stepped up with its list of taboos
on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:56 pm 376.Lou(DFW) said …
372.ASS/Martin/Mitch said …
“If this is true, how is anything immoral?”
Because morality is RELATIVE, not absolute. How damn difficult is that for you to understand? You have your head stuck-up so far inside religion’s ass that you can’t understand anything that it doesn’t spoon feed to you.
Is it legal (moral) to consume alcohol under 21? In 40 of the United States, it is “moral.” But in the others, it’s illegal (immoral). Why is that? Because there is no “absolute minimum drinking age.” There are only RELATIVE minimum drinking ages, decided upon by society, not by imaginary god nor atheists.
Your entire argument is 100% moot unless you provide your alleged god-given absolute moral code. How can you be so damn dense? Are you also so dense that you’re arguing in some forum about whether or not Picard or Kirk is the better captain? Hopefully, you aren’t, because even you understand they are fictional. Why can’t you understand that both the imaginary god-given absolute moral code and the alleged atheist moral code are fictional – THEY DO NOT EXIST.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:02 pm 377.Severin said …
#365
“It was THEISTS here, not atheists, who introduced the subject of a god-given moral code.”
“Prove it. Provide a quote.”
Here is one of millions:
http://shogiwar.webs.com/xian_is_true/Relative_Morality.html
“Where does an absolute morality come from? It comes from the creator.”
Subjective Relative Morality
by Rod Jackson
Or, maybe Mr. Jackson is an atheist?
Now, why don’t you tell us whether or not absolute moral code axist, where does it originates from, and where can I find it to read it?
Or, maybe you have no opinion of your own about that?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:04 pm 378.alex said …
methinks martin and I would both agree that captain kirk is the one true trekkie. a real capt would never show mercy to those infidel klingons. plus, i never really believed in that cloaking shit. i mean, you can’t even see the thing.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:12 pm 379.Martin said …
“Because morality is RELATIVE, not absolute. How damn difficult is that for you to understand?”
OK, then how can atheist claim ANYTHING is immoral? Your ilk makes moral judgments constantly. Everything would be OK, yes?
“Your entire argument is 100% moot unless you provide your alleged god-given absolute moral code.”
I haven’t made an argument. I followed up on your claim.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:33 pm 380.MrQ said …
Martin, again:
Theist or atheist. We all make the call according to our own reasoning. Or are you saying good xtians such as Hinn and Hitler are as moral as you? All muslims follow terrorist movements? Phelps Baptists accurately represent all other xtians? Sounds kind of subjective to me, almost no different than any random atheist’s morality.
How can any xtian say that their flavour of morality is “the one”?
Note to The Moderator: Can you take the short leash off now? “Your comment is awaiting moderation on 07 Feb 2013 at 6:16 pm” (#374)
What’s with all the moderation of MrQ? Afraid I’ll say something too nasty? Is there a problem?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:41 pm 381.Lou(DFW) said …
377.ASS/Martin/Mitch said …
“OK, then how can atheist claim ANYTHING is immoral?”
(sigh) How many time must we answer your question?
“Your ilk makes moral judgments constantly.”
ALL “ilks” do. That’s the way morality works.
“Everything would be OK, yes?”
Everything, nothings, somethings – yes, if that’s what a particular “ilk” decides.
“I haven’t made an argument. I followed up on your claim.”
Perfect – then answer this simple question so that we can place your comments in proper context – is there a god-given absolute moral code?
ASS/Martin/Mitch, you won’t answer because you are a fraud.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 8:33 pm 382.Lou(DFW) said …
372.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …
“Does that mean killing a woman for showing her face is an immoral act? What about an killing an atheist for being an atheist? or a Christian for converting from Islam? These are morally acceptable killings?”
By whose morals?
“As for individuals, does every man decide for himself?”
Yes, he decides which morals to follow and which to ignore. In the end, every single person decides for himself.
“If this is true, how is anything immoral?”
In exactly the same way in which the are moral.
But, nothing is absolutely moral or immoral, is it?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 8:49 pm 383.Martin said …
So if I understand Lou, there is no such thing as right and wrong in the atheist world? It is all just personal preference? Lying, cheating, stealing and murder are all OK if that particular atheist thinks it is OK?
Seems very dangerous and history shows that to be the case.
http://www.examiner.com/article/atheists-target-harassment-new-code-of-conduct
on 07 Feb 2013 at 8:51 pm 384.Martin said …
So if I understand Lou, there is no such thing as right and wrong in the atheist world? It is all just personal preference? Lying, cheating, stealing and murder are all OK if that particular atheist thinks it is OK?
Seems very dangerous and history shows that to be the case.
My link got moderated. Oh well.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:00 pm 385.Lou(DFW) said …
380.ASS/Mitch/Martin said …
“So if I understand Lou, there is no such thing as right and wrong in the atheist world?”
Listen, I’m not answering your question until YOU answer one for a change – is there a god-given absolute moral code?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:17 pm 386.DPK said …
380.Martin said …
“So if I understand Lou, there is no such thing as right and wrong in the atheist world? It is all just personal preference? Lying, cheating, stealing and murder are all OK if that particular atheist thinks it is OK?”
Apparently you don’t understand it right… Martin. That’s not what he said.. at all. He said it was a personal decision… not a “preference”. A person can know something is wrong and decide to do it anyway…. like the priest that decides he’d rather ass rape an 8 year old boy. He knows it is wrong.
Put it this way… you know it is wrong to kill someone. If a person is about to blow themselves up on a crowed sidewalk and possible kill a lot of innocent people, is it immoral to kill them first?
How do you know? Maybe the bomb is a fake, or a dud, or maybe it will go off and only kill that person and no one else. How do you decide? Does it depend on your “preference”? Or do you know that it is more moral to shoot that person than risk him doing harm? How about if he just SAYS he has a bomb? Is it more or less ok to end him?
Show us what your absolute moral code says. Don’t shy away now… show us. No one will think any less of you.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:35 pm 387.Martin said …
“That’s not what he said.. at all. He said it was a personal decision… not a “preference”.”
DPK/Lou
No need to change persona, just answer the simple question. You guys are so close one speaks for the other?
Its not personal preference, but it is decision? Exactly how does that change anything? On what grounds can you call anything immoral? Why is you decisions better than Castro’s, Mao’s, or Ted Bundy’s?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:36 pm 388.MattD said …
381.Lou(DFW) said …
Good luck getting answers (straight ones or otherwise) from people that practice self deception.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:46 pm 389.DPK said …
I too am done having a one sided debate with you. You seriously do not understand the distinction between an honest decision and a preference, or just like you other personae, you cannot have a conversation without being disingenuous?
If you are honestly that stupid, we can continue your education when you decide to answer the questions posed directly to you, multiple times.
Until you do, you are demonstrating that you are not interested in honest debate or discussion, and are only here to troll. Busted again, Hor.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:55 pm 390.Lou(DFW) said …
383.ASS/Martin/Mitch said …
“No need to change persona…”
You are confused. It was you who was busted posting under different names. Just because you are dishonest doesn’t mean that everyone else is.
“…just answer the simple question.”
The simple question is – is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?
on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:57 pm 391.alex said …
yay! martin you win. wear out the atheists with your incessant, irrelevant, wild goose chase questionings. you did it! atheists lose! allah is king! moron.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 9:58 pm 392.Lou(DFW) said …
384.DPK said …
“Until you do, you are demonstrating that you are not interested in honest debate or discussion, and are only here to troll. Busted again, Hor.”
He has the debating skills of a two year old. For every question that’s answered, he replies “why?” over and over.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 10:56 pm 393.Curmudgeon said …
You have DPK, Lou, alex adding MattD to their personalities.
Stop wasting your time with these delusional trolls Martin.
Give it 3 months to let these guys move on and maybe the newbies will be more honest.
on 07 Feb 2013 at 11:26 pm 394.Lou(DFW) said …
393.Crum said …
Crum is back yet again without answering the one simple question. Do you think we simply forget and don’t notice?
“Stop wasting your time with these delusional trolls Martin.”
Crum and all of his sock-puppets were apparently absent from grammar school on the same days.
“Give it 3 months to let these guys move on and maybe the newbies will be more honest.”
LOL! Yes, in three month Crum and his sock-puppets will attempt to play the same old shtick with newbies, all the while never answering two simple questions -
Is there a god-given absolute moral code?
If yes, where is it?
Crum, you were already demonstrated to be the fraud that you are by previously failing to answer those two questions, coward.
Now, please get off the chess board.
on 08 Feb 2013 at 12:15 am 395.Martin said …
Curmudgon,
When you have this many inhabitants (possibly person) getting so irate over a question, one knows they have hit a sore spot. They don’t have a legitimate response and prefer to cover up that wart. The Red Herring fallacy (also known as digression) makes for good make up to those who readily fall for it.
on 08 Feb 2013 at 2:29 am 396.alex said …
When martin keeps coming back after numerous humiliations, you know he keeps hoping that newbies won’t see his bullshit. But, ain’t this an atheist site? After numerous unsuccessful socketering, he accuses every atheist of same. Fuckhead.
on 08 Feb 2013 at 12:21 pm 397.Anonymous said …
395.ASS/MitchMartin said …
“When you have this many inhabitants (possibly person) getting so irate over a question, one knows they have hit a sore spot. They don’t have a legitimate response and prefer to cover up that wart.”
How many theists here were asked if there is a god-given absolute moral code? How many answered and provided it? None.
Yes, when ALL, not some, ALL of the “inhabitants” refuse to answer a simple yes or no question about their delusion and who are “getting so irate over a question, one knows they have hit a sore spot. They don’t have a legitimate response and prefer to cover up that wart.”
on 08 Feb 2013 at 12:21 pm 398.Lou (DFW) said …
397. was me.
on 10 Feb 2013 at 11:34 am 399.Lesbian carwasher said …
i was wondering, if (((((HELL))))) (lol…) existed
what stops us ((((EVIL ONES)))) from just beating the shit out of the devil and taking control?
surely its like 9 billion against 1
on 10 Feb 2013 at 3:54 pm 400.s0l0m0n said …
((((HELL)))) exists. When you enter it,there’s no turning back.
on 11 Feb 2013 at 10:59 am 401.Lesbian carwasher said …
((((HELL)))) does not exist, neither the devil.
Although if he did, id say hello with a M41a2 pulse rifle….to the face
on 17 Mar 2013 at 10:15 pm 402.showme2 said …
an m41a2 pulse rifle to the face ? i hope you can get some help and talk to the right person. you are misinformed about this world and GOD. don’t feel embarrassed. there are many nuclear physicists who are just as misinformed. remember science don’t conflict with GOD. science is a product of GOD.
on 18 Mar 2013 at 1:11 am 403.alex said …
“there are many nuclear physicists who are just as misinformed.”
the talking donkey is misinformed? lot’s wife into salt is misinformed? jesus fucking christ cursing out the fig tree is misinformed? and on… and on….
“m41a2 pulse rifle”
wah! damn atheists threatening me! persecuted! puleeze! maybe the next time them bible thumpers come over, i’ll sharpen my katana?
theist assholes talk a big game about going to heaven, yet they get immunized, put on their seat belts and go to the doctor. so much for faith.
on 18 Mar 2013 at 2:45 am 404.The messenger said …
Brother 403.alex, Jesus cursed that one fig tree as a way to show his power.
You were referring to events that occurred in the bible, and you say that they are misinformed. You are wrong about that.
A event cannot be misinformed, only people can be misinformed.
Lot’s wife was turned to dust because she disobedience God many times durring her life on Earth, and her wrong decisions put her family in harms way. She deserved the punishment that she got.
on 18 Mar 2013 at 2:53 am 405.The messenger said …
403.alex, Jesus will protect us if we have faith or not, but he does expect us to make smart decisions in order to help better our selves and others. If we put our selves in harms way intentionally, then there is no garrenty that God will save us from dying on Earth. God wants us to make smart decisions, such as, “buckling up our seat belts”, or looking both ways before crossing the road.
Jesus is our father, and he will protect us if we are willing to protect ourselves and others too.
on 18 Mar 2013 at 9:15 am 406.Xcanthean Zeno said …
Is there a god given absolute moral code?
if yes please specify.
From now on, can all athiests please only respond with this if they do not answer?
on 18 Mar 2013 at 9:43 am 407.alex said …
s0l = nongratisCount#8
mess = nongratisCount#14
…and mess opens up a commanding lead. s0l needs to pick up his bullshit if he wants them virgens.
on 19 Mar 2013 at 3:24 am 408.The messenger said …
on 18 Mar 2013 at 2:53 am 405.The messenger said …
403.alex, Jesus will protect us if we have faith or not, but he does expect us to make smart decisions in order to help better our selves and others. If we put our selves in harms way intentionally, then there is no garrenty that God will save us from dying on Earth. God wants us to make smart decisions, such as, “buckling up our seat belts”, or looking both ways before crossing the road.
Jesus is our father, and he will protect us if we are willing to protect ourselves and others too.
on 25 Mar 2013 at 5:08 am 409.Adam said …
“last year about 200,000 people who did see a doctor died in the U.S. because of medical errors.”
Now how many of those people put there complete trust and faith in God?
on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:09 pm 410.michael said …
I’m headed to a first communion for a friend today. Not him, his daughter. When he invited me, I didn’t know what to say. I just kinda said I might be there. Then later, when I was sitting with a mutual friend and i mention it, he being a catholic, nearly flipped. He had forgotten about it and started to panic.
Communions, the first time that a child eats a blessed wafer and is told that it is a piece of a dead Jew, is a huge deal. Its one thing to loath this stupidity, but how do i hate the people i love?
im going today. I will hang out, tell her congratulations i guess, and hand her a card with some money in it.
What else am i supposed to do? I love my friends. Even thought they believe totally screwball stuff and engage in behavior that lends credibility for dangerous religious activity.
I’m torn. By the time anyone reads this the event will already have taken place. But feel free to weigh in on what you would do in the same situation.
i dont care if religious folks reply, but they wont be very helpful. Its not like they know what its like to go to an atheist event or anything.
on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:27 pm 411.alex said …
most atheists don’t hate religious people, really. it’s just the shit they do: god bless you. don’t build that mosque. thank god, we won! god is on our side. atheists are going to hell. repent. this is an xtian nation. teach creationism as fact. and on… and on… with their bullshit.
go ahead with you thang, it’s cool.
on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:33 pm 412.the messenger said …
411.alex, for the hundredth time, islam is an abomination.
on 28 Apr 2013 at 8:54 pm 413.alex said …
messenger, go fuck yourself. go troll a kkk site where your brothers hang out, you asshole. better yet, go find your cousin, s0l. google sheep and you’ll find him.
on 29 Apr 2013 at 6:43 am 414.Fluttershy said …
411.alex, for the hundredth time, islam is an abomination.
I dont know why…
But i pictured a person called messenger getting stoned by muslims in iraq or something, and despite praying for help, he dies…
Then some random guy walks in and says.
“Told you he isnt real…”