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Christianity Thomas on 05 Jan 2013 12:05 am

The insanity of religion – “God is faithful”

Here is an article that claims God will never let you down:

God won’t let you down

So remember that regardless to what difficult and seemingly impossible situations are pressing in on you, just know that God won’t let you down because He is faithful.

Imagine the level of insanity it takes to make a statement like this. Every year, 10 million kids die of things like starvation. More than half a million Americans died of heart disease last year, and another half million of cancer. 100,000 people died in accidents. And then there are the mass murders at places like Sandy Hook school. Was God “faithful” in any of these deaths? Clearly not!

Whatever the cause of your crisis be it unemployment, marital problems, sickness, etc. although things around you and even your emotions change, God doesn’t because He is faithful….

So why are you worried? You cast doubt on God’s very nature when doubting the outcome after placing the situation in His hands.

God is true to Himself and His righteous nature. His word will produce the results of His promises due to His faithfulness to His word and you can expect the results of His promises when applying the word to your life. His promises are sure and trustworthy.

So think about this. You are sick, you pray, you go to the doctor. First, why do you need to see a doctor if God is faithful? Second, last year about 200,000 people who did see a doctor died in the U.S. because of medical errors. What wonderful, faithful God would allow that?

The only way to say “god is faithful” is to completely ignore reality. Where does this level of insanity come from?

1,076 Responses to “The insanity of religion – “God is faithful””

  1. on 05 Jan 2013 at 8:32 pm 1.BrianE said …

    “Where does this level of insanity come from?”

    Early indoctrination. It should be illegal to take a child to church until they’re 18.

  2. on 05 Jan 2013 at 9:27 pm 2.alex said …

    “God is faithful”

    damn skippy. xtians love this shit. no matter what you do, no matter how fucking horrible, god will give you a free fucking pass, no matter what.

    so go ahead. beat all the homos you want, molest all the kids, kill all the other religious idiots and your god will set you free. romans 3:23-27, what a fucking joke, but prized by the idiots.

    yeah, but us xtians, we’re moral. har! har!

    what, i’m a cussing, stupid idiot? who cares? i’m not advocating anyone to be like me. don’t bring up that false dilemma bullshit. it’s not a choice between being like me or being religious. your god is bullshit. nuf said.

  3. on 05 Jan 2013 at 9:37 pm 3.alex said …

    “Early indoctrination. It should be illegal to take a child to church until they’re 18.”

    it’s not 100% though. laid off from work, these fuckers draw unemployment like everybody else. they wear their seatbelts, buy life insurance and do all those things that nonbelievers do.

    even though i laugh at the fuckers that gave away all their shit when they thought the world was going to end, i have to give them props for their conviction.

    not these xtian assholes over here. they talk shit, but don’t walk the walk.

  4. on 06 Jan 2013 at 6:11 pm 4.The messenger said …

    on 05 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 134.The messenger said …
    124.alex,just out of curiosity, why do you cuss so much?
    Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else. In fact it actually makes you look weak. You lack the will to stop cussing.
    I pray that you change.

  5. on 06 Jan 2013 at 11:16 pm 5.skobru said …

    I often ask christians and others where god was when 6 million jews and others were being killed. Oh and the purges of Stalin and Mao… oh and Pol Pot and oh… on and on… yes trust in god… where is god during rapes, murder torture… yes trust in god it will take care of you…

  6. on 07 Jan 2013 at 5:28 pm 6.juan said …

    Its actually funny reading this site. Sounds like you guys follow Anton La Vey? I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch. I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs, bad luck must be a common thing….I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth

  7. on 07 Jan 2013 at 6:52 pm 7.alex said …

    juan, why cry when someone you know is going to heaven? because its
    bullshit.

  8. on 07 Jan 2013 at 8:39 pm 8.Lou (DFW) said …

    6.juan said …

    “Its actually funny reading this site.”

    It’s actually funny reading your comment.

    “I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch.”

    There’s no free will in choosing who you love or don’t love.

    “I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs…”

    Who cares what you “suspect?” We only care what you can demonstrate.

    “…bad luck must be a common thing….I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth.”

    Yes, it’s bad luck to be so deluded as to believe in an imaginary god who answers prayers to do something that he should do on his own.

  9. on 07 Jan 2013 at 8:52 pm 9.DPK said …

    6.juan said …

    Its actually funny reading this site. Sounds like you guys follow Anton La Vey?

    Who? I don’t “follow” anyone, especially someone I never heard of. Why does it “sound like” that?

    I can’t make you love someone, that’s called free will, something God cannot touch.

    I thought god was all powerful? The other theists here say god intentionally causes all kinds of pain and suffering in order to test us and teach us things. How can god do that without interfering in free will, Juan? For example, one person said sometimes god causes people to have lousy fathers, or to be abused as youngsters so they will learn to be strong and overcome problems. So where does “free will” come into the picture for those chosen by god to be the lousy fathers and abusers?

    “I would suspect that your lives aren’t that great because of your beliefs, bad luck must be a common thing….”

    Well, you can add that to the long list of things you think you know, but about which you are completely wrong. My life is great, thank you. I know, that pisses you off, doesn’t it? You can’t stand the idea of someone being happy without sharing your mindless delusion. Oh well… as they say, tough shit Sherlock,

    “I pray that some day you will realize the divinity and accept the truth.”

    You do that, and well see how that works out, ok?
    Goodbye.

  10. on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 10.The messenger said …

    7.alex, you poor, stupid fool.

    I feel sorry for you.

    When will you realize the truth.

  11. on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 11.The messenger said …

    on 06 Jan 2013 at 6:11 pm 4.The messenger said …
    on 05 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 134.The messenger said …
    124.alex,just out of curiosity, why do you cuss so much?
    Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else. In fact it actually makes you look weak. You lack the will to stop cussing.
    I pray that you change.

  12. on 08 Jan 2013 at 11:04 am 12.Zeno said …

    the messenger…

    you are insane…
    im an athiest and i never EVER swear, but nor do i care of others swearing, get a life and stop pushing people.

    From Xcanthean Zeno

  13. on 08 Jan 2013 at 4:26 pm 13.fol de rol said …

    I’m with brianE, it should be illegal to expose any child to organised religion until they are adults. then let them examine the evidence and make up thier own minds… i bet there would be very much fewer beleivers then when an informed decision can be made rather than indoctrination

  14. on 09 Jan 2013 at 1:30 am 14.s0l0m0n said …

    skobru,

    Why don’t you also ask where is God when he supplies abundance of food and drinks right from the 1st human “Adam” right to the present day “You” yourself, including the animals, insects,plants etc..Why don’t you ask?

    Why don’t you ask where is God when humans have enjoyed wealth,peace & stability?
    Why don’t you ask the joy of having loved ones & fu***ng?

    Why? Why? Why?

    You keep fussing regarding 6 million jews and others being killed by Hitler,Stalin,Mao & Pol Pot. What % of humans killed through the atrocities compared with the uncountable lives sustained by God?

    ((((Negligible))))

    That’s the word.
    After all Death is a must. The only thing it is done in different ways.

  15. on 09 Jan 2013 at 3:45 am 15.Lou(DFW) said …

    14.s0l0m0n said …

    “Why don’t you also ask where is God when he supplies abundance of food…”

    Why? Because he doesn’t supply ANY of it, much less an abundance of it.

    Why don’t you ask where is the Tooth Fairy when she leaves money under your pillow in exchange for a tooth?

    “What % of humans killed through the atrocities compared with the uncountable lives sustained by God?”

    You can’t give an imaginary god credit for sustaining lives if you don’t blame it for NOT sustaining them.

    Some of you theists are incredibly stupid.

  16. on 09 Jan 2013 at 4:50 am 16.Lesbian Carwasher said …

    /\ this, totaly this

  17. on 09 Jan 2013 at 5:02 am 17.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Proof that prayer does not work is evident when idiots like messenger and no-juan pray for saps like myself to “find god” and “find the truth.”

    Those prayers will NEVER be answered.

    And messenger, please stop posting comments at this website. Seriously.

  18. on 09 Jan 2013 at 5:33 am 18.DPK said …

    “on 07 Jan 2013 at 11:54 pm 10.The messenger said …
    7.alex, you poor, stupid fool.
    I feel sorry for you.”

    Jesus said.
    “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[a] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[b] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[c] of fire.”

    Messenger, you seem to constantly defy church doctrine and you directly disobey Jesus. It does not look good for you my friend. If I were you, I’d be secretly hoping there was no god, because you seem to be destined for hell….

  19. on 09 Jan 2013 at 1:27 pm 19.Lou(DFW) said …

    11.The messenger said …

    “Cussing does not make you look smarter, stronger, or cooler that anyone else.

    Nor does your constant, error-filled prosthelytizing.

    “I pray that you change.”

    You should be praying for YOU to change.

  20. on 10 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 20.Burebista said …

    I agree even more with BrianE. BrianE you should consider not teaching your children any morals, language or even accept them into your family. You should let them grow up and decide for themselves. If BrianE does these things he should be jailed. Be fair to the kids.

  21. on 10 Jan 2013 at 2:57 am 21.Lou(DFW) said …

    20.Burp the Babeler said …

    “I agree even more with BrianE. BrianE you should consider not teaching your children any morals, language or even accept them into your family.”

    Except for the fact that he didn’t write that, so you can’t agree with him about it.

    Lying and word games – are you equally adept at that in the other two languages?

  22. on 10 Jan 2013 at 8:32 pm 22.Todd Reeder. said …

    People have said that people are starving in the world because christians are not doing there job to feed them. And say they are suffering because christians are not doing there job. I saw a preview of the doccumentary the insanity of God. There were 150 believers in samolia and now only 4 because 146 were killed for being christians. He left samolia and went to places where christians are being persecuted and abused but still alive. e said they made mistakes that caused the deaths of believers prematurely. So he says he is to blame. So he turns his back on people and goes were it is easier for people. Christians say God allows people to be affected by evil for many reasons as listed in above comments. And because of the sins of others. Christians say Jesus was God. Well God could have destroyed all evil so the people he allegedly loves would not suffer. But he didn’t. They say God did not stop Sandyhook shooting because God was mad because he is not allowed in schools. There are true stories of parents locking there children in dark rooms like solitary confinment in prision for years. No human contact or communication. They sit in a dark room for years with nothing to do but play with there own poop. No one to talk to. And God allows it to make them stronger I suppose. Allows it to teach them something. The same for children and adults who are severely abused. Well I don’t believe anymore. I have asked God to deliver me from stuff and help me many times for many years. Have read the bible and studied it. Prayed, went to church, and listened to christian music to change me. And things are still the same. Christians say maybe I have unconfessed sin. Or things I don’t want to surrender. Maybe I don’t have enough faith. Maybe God is making me stronger and better. And many times they say we can’t always understand why God allows things or doesn’t answer prayer. They have many reasons why things don’t happen for people. Well I don’t believe anymore. I am putting my real name because I don’t care anymore.

  23. on 11 Jan 2013 at 1:32 am 23.s0l0m0n said …

    In designing a car It needs a hell of a team to think of its shape, engine etc…etc..

    What about designing a mosquito with brains and with life…..Does it doesn’t require nothing to initiate it?

  24. on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:41 am 24.The messenger said …

    18.DPK, I shouldn’t have said that insult. I pray that Jesus forgives me.

  25. on 11 Jan 2013 at 3:57 am 25.MrQ said …

    Sol,

    What is needed to create a star from dust? Is it Natural or does it require the (((Supernatural)))?

  26. on 11 Jan 2013 at 4:11 am 26.Todd Reeder said …

    Not teaching kids morals? So you mean you should not teach them it is wrong to steal from people, disrespect, abuse and kill people? I agree it is wrong to teach religion to kids because they are mature enough to fully rationalize things. Just look at the westboro baptist church. They have kids holding signs and saying and believing things. I think that is child abuse. The brain wash the kids. Many leave when they are old enough to relize.

  27. on 11 Jan 2013 at 5:18 am 27.Todd Reeder said …

    Christianity a form of insanity? I was thinking and it seems christianity could be classified as a form of insanity. They say God allows people to suffer and all because he has good reasons. I think believing that allowing people to suffer and allowing evil for good reasons would be considered insane. If a parent allowed there children to suffer and be affected by evil and said they allowed it because of the reasons christians give for God allowing it they would be called insane.

  28. on 11 Jan 2013 at 6:23 am 28.Anonymous said …

    One of the most amazing things about being a Christian is not their unbelievable stupidity in believing that a magic man in the sky might be watching them take a dump, but that they are capable of making up the most ridiculous rationalizations for why their god does absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.

    For example:

    Starving children in Africa? Their god wants people to sort that out.

    Wars? His believers should sort that out.

    Kids being shot? His feelings were hurt, so he let them die. Poor baby.

    No miracles? His believers didn’t have enough faith.

    40,000+ different denominations of Christianity and no clear direction? It’s not his fault, it’s the fault of the imperfect humans (who he created as imperfect, according to them).

    Doesn’t answer prayers as advertised? Not answering was part of his plan.

    Lets people suffer from horrible diseases? He’s teaching them a lesson.

    Doesn’t cure horrible diseases? He wants the people to learn how to do that.

    Lets people die of horrible diseases? He wanted them by his side.

    Never heals amputees? Well he could. If he wanted. As long as you don’t ask him. And are not watching. Or testing him. Or recording him.

  29. on 11 Jan 2013 at 1:33 pm 29.Xenon said …

    Todd said:

    “They have many reasons why things don’t happen for people. Well I don’t believe anymore. I am putting my real name because I don’t care anymore.”

    Then he says:

    “Not teaching kids morals? So you mean you should not teach them it is wrong to steal from people, disrespect, abuse and kill people?”

    You don’t care and suddenly you do? Which morals should be taught Todd? Yours? Muslims? Pagans? We have atheists here that say stealing and lying is OK at times. When do we tell the children they can lie and steal Todd?

    See what your ilk wants is to control the masses. Teach the kids the morals “I” give you but if you teach them about God “I” will imprison you. Using extremist as your example is quite lame since every group has their nuts. Your ilk is a more dangerous sort.

    It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity. You might have recalled the words of Christ:

    ” If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.”

    Jesus and every disciple was murdered for their belief and Christians have been murdered regularly for the last 2000 years. You suddenly just realized that?

  30. on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:22 pm 30.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.Xenonsense said …

    “See what your ilk wants is to control the masses. Teach the kids the morals “I” give you but if you teach them about God “I” will imprison you.”

    Who are his “ilk?”

    Show us evidence that they want to “control the masses” (similarly to the way the Catholic church and other xtians attempt today).

  31. on 11 Jan 2013 at 2:31 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.Xenonsense said …

    “It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity.”

    I can’t speak for Todd, but I understand xtianity just as I understand all the other false religions of the world. Or, Xenonsense, is xtianity the only true religion?

    “Jesus and every disciple was murdered for their belief and Christians have been murdered regularly for the last 2000 years.”

    But no xtians ever murdered anybody in the name of their delusion, have they?

  32. on 11 Jan 2013 at 5:40 pm 32.Lou(DFW) said …

    30.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Show us evidence that they want to “control the masses” (similarly to the way the Catholic church and other xtians attempt today).”

    ‘Pope Benedict on Friday signaled the Vatican was ready to forge alliances with other religions against gay marriage, saying the family was threatened “to its foundations” by attempts to change its “true structure”.’

    “In some countries, the Catholic Church has already joined forces with Jews, Muslims and members of other religions to oppose the legalization of gay marriage, in some cases presenting arguments based on legal, social and anthropological analyses rather than religious teachings.”

  33. on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:03 pm 33.Todd Reeder said …

    In response to “It is too bad you didn’t even understand Christianity.” Catholics have killed people who refused to recant there beliefs and become catholic. Those who were not catholic were tortured and many killed if they where protestant, jewish, or muslim if they refused to reject there beliefs and become catholics. Over 150,000 people were killed. During the crusades people who claimed to be christians killed jews and muslims because they thought it was there christian duty. The catholics burned people at the stake for writting ot printing noncatholic bibles. They burned people at the stake for being heritics.

  34. on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:12 pm 34.Todd Reeder said …

    When I said I don’t care anymore what i mean is I don’t care anymore if people know I don’t believe anymore. And who said morals belong to any religion? I am saying kids need to know to respect life and other people. If we had no morals it would be ok for a kid or anyone to kill someone just because they felt like it. If we had no morals it would be ok for a kid or anyone to steal something just because they did not want to pay for it. It would be ok for a someone to cheat on the person they love. What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to. If you think morals are wrong don’t call the police if someone assults you or steals from you.

  35. on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:25 pm 35.DPK said …

    No one here claimed kids should not be taught morals. That was the Xenon/Burbista sock puppet being dramatic and attempting to misrepresent what someone actually said, which was that children should not be indoctrinated into a religion.
    The claim here by the theists, and also implication, is that without religion, there can be no morality. That is laughable and demonstrably false.
    Their claim is that morality and ethics is not a human construct, but was handed down by a supernatural being and is absolute. Of course, they cannot point us to where this absolute moral code is or what it says. That is because no matter what it says, there is nothing that is absolute. Morality always involves circumstance, and resolving morality with circumstance requires judgement. They also cannot demonstrate that this supposed absolute code of morality was in fact handed to us by a supernatural being, which of the multitudes of alleged supernatural beings actually did the giving, or that any such being in fact exists. So, we are left with claim after baseless claim, after claim, with absolutely NOTHING to support it, other than the (also baseless) claim that you cannot have morality without a god.

  36. on 11 Jan 2013 at 10:34 pm 36.Lou(DFW) said …

    35.DPK said …

    “No one here claimed kids should not be taught morals. That was the Xenon/Burbista sock puppet being dramatic and attempting to misrepresent what someone actually said, which was that children should not be indoctrinated into a religion.”

    It’s part of his game to intentionally misrepresent what someone writes, and then make them prove it, all the while ignoring rebuttals of his ACTUAL, not distorted claims. He’s a fraud in the truest sense of the word.

  37. on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 37.Xenon said …

    Todd:

    “What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to.”

    You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?

  38. on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 38.Xenon said …

    Todd:

    “The catholics burned people at the stake for writting ot printing noncatholic bibles. They burned people at the stake for being heritics.”

    What does that have to do with anything I posted about Christ, His teachings and the fact Christians would suffer? What does your post have to do with the fact that you don’t understand why Christians suffer and why there is evil in the world?

  39. on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:56 pm 39.DPK said …

    I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd?

    How about when an armed gunman breaks into your house and announces he is there to kill your daughter, (who is hiding in the garage). Now when he asks, “where is she?” According to your absolute moral code that says it is wrong to lie, you risk hell by saying, “she’s not here.” Correct?
    You are such an imbecile.

  40. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:19 am 40.alex said …

    “How about when an armed gunman breaks into your house and announces he is there to kill your daughter, (who is hiding in the garage). Now when he asks, “where is she?”

    a true xtian would. they would refuse medical treatment even with the threat of prosecution. they wouldn’t buy insurance or take precautions. the would live with their convictions unlike the fake xtians that patrol this blog.

    but would they stone people as directed? nah, they know they’ll be busted. the stoning stuff is not literal. anything else the idiots don’t do is not literal.

  41. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:21 am 41.Lou(DFW) said …

    37.Xenonsense said …

    “You bounced around my entire post.”

    Yes, Todd, you obviously don’t understand the sock-puppet theist protocol. They demand that you answer their questions while never, ever answering yours. In other words, you aren’t allowed to “bounce” around their comments, but that’s all they ever do in reply to yours.

  42. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:35 am 42.Tracker said …

    “According to your absolute moral code that says it is wrong to lie, you risk hell by saying, “she’s not here.” Correct?”

    I would pull my .45 and say here she is! If for some reason I didn’t have my .45 on me I would respond with “get bent”.

  43. on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:45 am 43.Todd said …

    39.DPK I think you are confused. I never said it was ok to lie and cheat. I think it is wrong to lie and cheat.

  44. on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 44.Todd said …

    Xenon Lou said in a post “But no xtians ever murdered anybody in the name of their delusion, have they?” And I gave examples of xians killing people in the name of religion.

  45. on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:55 am 45.alex said …

    “I think it is wrong to lie and cheat.”

    seriously? under any circumstances?

  46. on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:03 am 46.Todd said …

    xenon you claim I said “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?” repost or tell me what post number I said that. I can’t find anywhere I said that. I think parents of children from westboro baptist church should be arrested for teaching kids to hate and make them carry signs with words of hate on them.

  47. on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:06 am 47.Todd said …

    Thanks DPK.

  48. on 12 Jan 2013 at 3:11 am 48.DPK said …

    43 Todd… I know man, I’m on your side. The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie. I know you never said it was “ok to lie and cheat.” But wouldn’t you agree that every situation requires judgement, and a blanket statement like, “it is always wrong to lie.” Is kind of silly. I mean, when the SS storm troopers came looking for the Jews, I guess we were morally required not to lie to them?
    Xenon, you sound curiously stupid, just like Burbesta.

  49. on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:09 am 49.Xenon said …

    Todd, my apology you didn’t say Christians should be jailed, other atheists here have stated we should be jailed. BrianE and even others have posted such hate speech. Do you agree?

    I didn’t say YOU claim lying and cheating is OK, others here and on this thread are making the argument. When is it OK to lie and cheat? Is it ever OK under any circumstances OK to lie and cheat?

    You see two of your fellow atheist who are challenging you on the lying and cheating already…..they think it IS OK.

    Bottom line, on what standard does an atheist teach morality? How could you tell someone who thinks lying and cheating is OK that they should not teach that to their children?

    Lastly, if a child should chose his religion when he is older, why not the same with their morality?

  50. on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:14 am 50.Xenon said …

    “The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around.”

    Really? I posted a lie?

    I bet you will not back that statement up DPK. This is one of your times it is OK to lie. You and alex have proved my point well. Thanks to you both.

  51. on 12 Jan 2013 at 4:28 am 51.DPK said …

    on 11 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 37.Xenon said …
    Todd:….
    “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”

    He never said any such thing. Ergo, you lied and therefore you are a liar.
    No apology necessary, no one is surprised by any lies you tell. In fact, lies from you are expected as the norm. And you are the one claiming an absolute moral code that forbids lying! That’s rich.

  52. on 12 Jan 2013 at 7:10 am 52.Severin said …

    49 Xenon
    “Bottom line, on what standard does an atheist teach morality?”

    We manage it somehow.
    Now, on what standard do yoy teach (taught) morlity, your children?
    For the 1000th time: WHERE can we see and read the list of moral rules YOU are following in YOUR life?

    I would like to read those rules, and maybe also to accept them, but for more than 5 years no theist ever answered this question.

    What can I think after your 5 ears of hiding your moral code from us but:
    a) You have a list of moral rules, but you hide it from us, because you are selfish and don’t like anyone else but Christians to see it (which is nott much Christian”)
    b) There is no such a moral code, and you are lying

    Is this “famous” list going secretly from one Christian hand to another?

  53. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:32 pm 53.Lou(DFW) said …

    50.Xenonsense said …

    “Really? I posted a lie?”

    LOL! First, your comments are full of lies. Second, sock-puppeting is a form of decption and deciet.

    “I bet you will not back that statement up DPK.”

    Not that it’s difficult, but after your challenge he PROVED that you are a liar. It’s not the first time.

    What did you bet? How about a promise never to appear here again, at least as Xenonsense?

  54. on 12 Jan 2013 at 12:39 pm 54.Lou(DFW) said …

    Xenonsense, it was YOU, posting as Burp who FIRST wrote about anyone being jailed:

    20.Burebista said …

    “If BrianE does these things he should be jailed.”

    Then you lied when you wrote:

    37.Xenon said …

    “Todd: You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”

    You lied here:

    49.Xenon said …

    “Other atheists here have stated we should be jailed.”

    Xenonsense/Burp, you a pathetic excuse for a human being.

  55. on 12 Jan 2013 at 1:55 pm 55.Xenon said …

    DPK

    Not so fast. Here is your quote:

    “The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie.”

    I now repost # 37:

    “You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?”

    Now show us the lie DPK. Accusation after accusation and always unsubstantiated.

  56. on 12 Jan 2013 at 2:42 pm 56.DPK said …

    You are an idiot.
    You said, “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals .”
    That is not true. He never claimed that. Saying things that are not true is lying. Don’t you understand the definition of the word?
    Now, show us where he said that, or admit that you lied. Or, in your sock puppet frenzy, did you forget which one of your persona’s wrote it. Here’s a hint… You quoted it right in your own reply. How fucking stupid are you?

  57. on 12 Jan 2013 at 5:56 pm 57.DPK said …

    Now Xenon will disappear for a while, and the AssTrophysicist will show up and try to change the subject.

    Xenon… In case you were wondering, here is the MORAL thing to do right now:

    1. Admit that you lied and apologize for it.
    2. Go away because your credibility, not that you really ever had any, is destroyed.

  58. on 12 Jan 2013 at 7:23 pm 58.Xenon said …

    Ah Ah AH DPK.

    I apologized in #49 for my mistake on this quote:

    “You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals .”

    Since you cannot read I don’t expect you could comprehend my apology. Adults do apologize when an error is made.

    BrianE is the actual hatemonger who wants to see us jailed. Irrelevant, since an atheist wants to jail Christians. But…..

    Back to your lie:

    “The first line in my post was a quote from 37 xenon that I neglected to put quotations around. I was simply replying to his lie.”

    Lets see it DPK. Stop being a coward and produce the lie in #37. You won’t because you can’t because you are a liar. You would like me to go away so you can slip out of your lie.

  59. on 12 Jan 2013 at 9:26 pm 59.DPK said …

    How many more times to I have to post it, asshole?

    “37.Xenon said …

    Todd:

    “What would the world be like if did not have rules and laws? People could steal or kill just because they wanted to. They could disrespect anyone just because they wanted to.”

    You bounced around my entire post. Why should we teach the morals you claim they need Todd? I already shared that atheist have stated here it is OK to lie and cheat in the appropriate moments. What are those times Todd? Who gets to chose for us which morals we teach? LIE>>>>You have claimed we should be jailed for teaching our children and about Christ and the morals He gives us so you have a better source I take it?<<<LIE”

    How many more times are you going to deny and say I haven’t shown the lie in #37 that I outed you for?

    You are the definition of hypocrisy. You don’t admit the truth when it is right in front of you in black and white. Now, where is your absolute moral code, and where is your evidence that some magical god invented it and gave it to us?

  60. on 12 Jan 2013 at 10:07 pm 60.Todd said …

    I heard so called xians on tv giving there answer to getting needs met from God. They said support the profit of God and God will supply all your needs and you will never not have. In other words they are saying send use money and God will give you everything you need and more. One of them says when he goes places people want to buy him exspensive suits. People give him exspensive cars. Peopel give him checks for thousands of dollars. He gave some preacher a thousand dollars and someone weeks later gave him 5 thousand dollars. People claim on the 700 club that they financial problems and began giving a specific amount each month to the 700 club and they started seeing miracles. They started getting jobs when they had non. Medical problems were healed. They started getting more money in there life when not expected. So they claim if you have a need give money to a preacher on tv and God will supply all your needs and give you back more than you give. And if someone does that and ends up worse off they will say maybe you had sin in your life. Maybe you did not have enough faith. Maybe you did not surrender some secret sin. Maybe you have to keep being faitful and not give up. Sometimes it takes longer for a harvest. And sometimes you have a crop failure and need to start over. They would give a list of reasons. When I got my inheritance from my parents death I gave seveal thousand dollars to the church I attend because they needed it and I believed we were suppose to give 10 percent of what we recieve. And that God will always supply our needs and bless us. Well now I need those thousands of dollars. What a fool I was.

  61. on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:07 pm 61.Xenon said …

    DPK

    Oh, now I see. The statement I apologized for as a mistake is a lie.

    I thought you had nothing and you do not.

    Goodbye DPK

    Todd,

    You ignored what I asked about atheist morality. I do understand, it is all relative and there is no ultimate standard that everyone should follow. It is all opinion and everyone’s opinion is ultimately equal. That is why atheist regard lying and cheating as OK in the right situations. Who knows when that might be. Count the silverware if one leaves your house.

    I do have a suggestion. Stop listening to opinions and listen to God. God never promised a life without challenges and obstacles. Everything you state is what people say, read the Bible for yourself.

    God states He meets our needs, but are you sure your needs are not really wants? I certainly do not know, I only ask the question. Food, water and shelter seem to be the only real needs for a human beings. All else is just extras.

  62. on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 62.Severin said …

    59 DPK
    “Now, where is your absolute moral code, …”

    Where, indeed?
    It is something Xenon will never tell us.
    Anyway, I can’t follow a moral code that I can’t see, because selfish Christians keep it for themselves only, and never show it to anyone else. So, if I do something against THAT moral code, it will not be my fault.

    Fuck selfish Chrstians!
    I will manage, somehow, with my own moral code, which made me proud with my life, as I did before.

  63. on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:35 pm 63.Lou (DFW) said …

    58.Xenon said …

    “Lets see it DPK. Stop being a coward and produce the lie in #37. You won’t because you can’t because you are a liar. You would like me to go away so you can slip out of your lie.”

    How many times must we quote the lie that you wrote?

    Xenonense/Burp, now you’re lying about lying – pathetic.

  64. on 12 Jan 2013 at 11:57 pm 64.DPK said …

    The truth according to xenon: when an atheist says that a demonstrably false statement made by a theist in an effort to convince others of their delusion is a lying, THAT is a lie. But the falsehood propagated by the theist is a “mistake.”
    Is that it, Xenon? Is that how your deluded mind works. What a pathetic creature you are. I’m sure you will understand that it is gods will not only that you were caught in a lie, but that you are now shown to be the despicable, dishonest fraud that you are.
    Count the silverware indeed!

  65. on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:26 am 65.Tom said …

    Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code? It starts out with loving God with all your being. If you can’t handle that one, none of the rest will work.

    How many atheists are in the world? Multiply that number by (1) and that is the number of moral codes atheists use.

  66. on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:57 am 66.Anonymous said …

    And right on cue another recycled sock-puppet emerges in an attempt to fend off “Xenon”‘s disgrace.

    Note that no-matter what persona he posts under, just like the mythical god, Hor’s Christian moral code is nowhere to be seen. Unless, of course, lying, cheating, and being dishonest as demonstrated here, is the Christian moral code. Quite likely based on the examples the theists set here.

    Hor, you really are a pathetic loser.

  67. on 13 Jan 2013 at 8:26 am 67.Severin said …

    65 Tom
    “Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code?”

    Because you theists endlessly talk that we don’t have any.
    As a responsible human being, I want to see what am I doing wrong in my life, and want to make my life, and lives of people I liwe with, better.

    I have no better idea about any moral code but considering it a list of rules that I have to obey and to follow, to have a fully moral life.
    How can I know what I am doing wrong, if I don’t see that list, and how it differs from the list I have in my mind.
    “What am I doing wrong?” is the question that eats me!
    And you Christians don’t want to help me! You talk all the time about Christianity (god, Bible) being the source of morality, you criticize atheists for not living with that moral code, but you never ever tell us where to find it.
    Not nice!

    Where can I find Christian moral code, please?

  68. on 13 Jan 2013 at 8:47 am 68.Severin said …

    65 Tom
    “It starts out with loving God with all your being.”

    Well, thanks, I got at least something:
    The very first rule of Christian moral code is: First you love me (god), then you will get the rest of the list.

    Well, in MY moral code, blackmailing is something standing under “bad”, “wrong”, “not nice”, “rotten”, “not allowed”, “forbidden”, …
    If I got a list of rules which started with “You must first love me, than I will give you something” (in this case list of moral rules), I would feel very bad, because the list starts with something I would never do if I follow MY moral code, that is blackmailing.

    But, let’s say I still have wrong idea about what morality really is.
    Maybe blackmailing is OK in that famous, invisible list of moral rules you endlessly mention in your posts.
    As a open minded man, ready to change my life, I WANT to see the rest of that list.

    Where can I find it?

  69. on 13 Jan 2013 at 11:01 am 69.Lou (DFW) said …

    61.Xenonsense said …

    “You ignored what I asked about atheist morality.”

    LOL! You ignore our request to post your alleged god-given moral code. But, if you can’t do that, then please post the alleged “atheist morality.”

  70. on 13 Jan 2013 at 12:42 pm 70.DPK said …

    on 13 Jan 2013 at 2:26 am 65.Tom said …
    Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code? It starts out with loving God with all your being.

    So, is your claim that unless you “love” god, whatever that means, you cannot be moral? Iis that it, Tom? What about people who love some other god than yours? Can they not be moral too? Please explain how this works so we can understand.

  71. on 13 Jan 2013 at 1:29 pm 71.MrQ said …

    Tom

    How many atheists are in the world? Multiply that number by (1) and that is the number of moral codes atheists use.

    Is it at all possible that the “number of moral codes” that people have is that number multiplied by the number one ? Or does your own personal “moral code” align with other fine christian people such as Hinn, Falwell, Hitler, Phelps Baptists, etc ?

  72. on 13 Jan 2013 at 1:43 pm 72.Lou (DFW) said …

    65.Tom said …

    “Why would an atheist want a Christian’s moral code?”

    To prove that there’s some honest xtians.

    Otherwise, what difference does it make to you? What if there’s a chance that if I see it that it convinces me to convert to xtianity? Isn’t that what areal xtian would do?

    “It starts out with loving God with all your being.”

    Really? Show us. Unless you can, then it’s safe to assume that you are another lying theist.

    “How many atheists are in the world? Multiply that number by (1) and that is the number of moral codes atheists use.”

    How many xtians are there in the world? Multiply that number by one and the result is the number of lying xtians.

  73. on 13 Jan 2013 at 4:11 pm 73.Todd said …

    In response to a xian moral code. Some commands Jesus gave were to love your neighbor the same way you love yourself. He tells a story that explains everyone is your neighbor so love everyone the same way you love yourself. And treat others the way you want to be treated. And if you see someone in need help them. So they could be considered part of a moral code. So if you love your neighbor you would not lie to them. You would not steal from them. You would not attack them or kill them. Xians say we are suppose to keep the ten commandments. One of the commandments say not to kill people. Some xians say that means it is wrong to kill someone for any reason. So to them it is wrong to execute people. It would be wrong to kill people in a war or people who try to hurt or kill you. Some xians say it means it is wrong to kill someone who is not guilty of murder. How many innocent people were killed in Japan when the americans dropped two atomic bombs? How many innocent people were killed by americans in other countries? I think america should be executing more people who kill people.

  74. on 13 Jan 2013 at 10:05 pm 74.Severin said …

    Xenon, Tom,

    Where can I find Christian moral code?

  75. on 14 Jan 2013 at 12:21 am 75.Anonymous said …

    Tom said: “It starts out with loving God with all your being. If you can’t handle that one, none of the rest will work”

    But what does that mean? How do you love a storybook character with all your being?

    Ia it physical, your explanation was remarkably kinesthetic after all. Do you get a hard-on when you think of Jesus, Tom? It’s OK, you can tell us, we merely want to learn about your moral code. Unlike fundamental Christians, we won’t judge you based on your fetishes.

    Is that why so many priests are pedophiles in that when they butt-fuck those little boys they are literally showing them how to love with all their being? That seems extreme, but you Xtians do ask us to be open-minded about your beliefs and practices after all.

    Please explain Xenon and Tom. Theists reference the existence of this love and this moral code but they’ve yet to provide the detail.

    It’s not something you make up to sound self-important is it? No, no true Christian would do that. Would they?

  76. on 14 Jan 2013 at 12:52 am 76.s0l0m0n said …

    MrQ said …

    “What is needed to create a star from dust? Is it Natural or does it require the (((Supernatural)))?”

    It’s purely simple.It requires God to initiate.Nature is just a word. It can do nothing.

  77. on 14 Jan 2013 at 2:34 pm 77.MrQ said …

    Sol,
    See “pillars of creation”. Google it!!
    Where is god ? Do you see jesus there? Prophet Mo ? Mighty allah? Virgins? No. Just nature being naturally beautiful ;-) .

  78. on 14 Jan 2013 at 3:07 pm 78.DPK said …

    “One of the commandments say not to kill people. Some xians say that means it is wrong to kill someone for any reason. So to them it is wrong to execute people. It would be wrong to kill people in a war or people who try to hurt or kill you. Some xians say it means it is wrong to kill someone who is not guilty of murder. How many innocent people were killed in Japan when the americans dropped two atomic bombs? How many innocent people were killed by americans in other countries? I think america should be executing more people who kill people.”

    So it is wrong to kill someone to prevent them killing or hurting others? How many lives were saved that definitely would have been lost in an invasion of Japan that those bombs prevented? What you seem to be saying Tom, is that your “absolute” moral code is not “absolute” at all, and requires judgment and consideration, and even at that, there are times when highly moral people can disagree. Hmmmm… Doesn’t sound like anything handed down with authority from an omniscient supreme being now, does it?

  79. on 14 Jan 2013 at 3:52 pm 79.Lou(DFW) said …

    73.Todd said …

    “Some commands Jesus gave were to love your neighbor the same way you love yourself. He tells a story that explains everyone is your neighbor so love everyone the same way you love yourself.”

    Why doesn’t your imaginary god simply tell us his absolute moral code rather than explain it as a “story?”

    As DPK wrote:

    “absolute” moral code is not “absolute” at all

  80. on 14 Jan 2013 at 7:45 pm 80.Todd said …

    I don’t believe in the God of the bible anymore. In the old testament the God of the bible told people to kill men, women, children, and babies. He told people to kill them because they did not want to worship him. And the God of the bible knew they would never worship them. I asked someone why God would tell people to kill them when it would be better for them to live before being punished forever by this God. The answer I got was it was better for them that they die then live with evil for years. And many xians teach that no one can be Saved or born again unless God causes them to believe. No one can believe without God causing it. So if someone dies unbelieving and suffers eternal damnation according to xians it is not God’s fault. It is the fault of Adam of Eve because they disobeyed God. And because they disobeyed everyone since then is born and enemy of God and hating God unless he causes them to change. And God can do this because he is God. According to the bible God told a man named Abraham to kill his only son and burn him on an alter. So God told someone to murder his son. God told someone to break one of his own laws. Xians say God was not telling him to murder his son because God knew he would provide a substitute. The God of the bible told people to stone or put to death people who broke certain laws. Xians say that God does not change. I asked people if God said people were to be put to death for breaking certain laws why don’t we do that now? They said since Jesus came we are living in a time of grace. Since we have grace we are suppose to let people live. It sounds to me that the God of the bible changed. He says people are be to be put to death, Ten we are told he is not that way anymore. But xians say God never changes. God killed people in sodom and gemorah because of a lack of hospitality is what the bible says. So God killed hundreds or thousands of people for a lack of hospitality? And God killed everyone on earth except noah’s family because they were evil and would not change. According to xians like I mentioned before people cannot change unless God causes them to change. So all those people died and suffer eternal punishment because God made them that way. I asked xians why we need a preacher or why precher’s need to go to school to learn what the bible means. I asked if someone gets a bible and reads it why do they need someone to teach them what it means? They said “just as in regualr school we need to know hemeneutics and apply what are metaphors symbols and distinguish what is lieteral. Gods has given the church teachers… There are principles one needs to be taught to understand the hard scriptures, while there are scriptures that are simple, and mean exactly what they say – and should be apparent.” Like Jesus sayd if your eye causes you to sin gouge it out. People say that is a figure of speech and not literal. So an uneducated person needs to be taught it is not literal. And someone can’t understand unless God gives them the ability to understand it. So if someone gets a bible some how and there is no one who was taught to understand what the bible means to teach them what it means they cannot understand what it means. I said to them for over a thousand years people lived where there were only catholic churches. And the bible was in latin and only educated people understood latin and the only way people knew what the bible ment was to be taught by the catholic church. So if people were taught false things how would they know if they were true or not? And they would be punished by God because they believed false teaching because they had no way to prove it was true or not because they could not read latin and were never taught in a bible school. There reply was that makes no sense. They say that because they did not have an answer as to why things would be that way. Sorry for being so long but these are some of the reasons I don’t beleive things in the bible anymore.

  81. on 15 Jan 2013 at 12:58 am 81.s0l0m0n said …

    MrQ,

    You’re running away from the car manuf. analogy post (11 Jan 2013 at 1:32 am)

    Nothing could exists on its own except God.
    This ‘nature’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))

  82. on 15 Jan 2013 at 1:22 pm 82.Anonymous said …

    Sol,
    She was such a beautiful virgin, and then you woke up and “it” was in your hand. Keep dreaming.

  83. on 15 Jan 2013 at 2:02 pm 83.Lou(DFW) said …

    81.s0l0m0n said …

    “You’re running away from the car manuf. analogy post”

    Nobody “ran away” from it. It’s an inaccurate analogy of a type that’s been debunked over and over.

    “Nothing could exists on its own except God.”

    Prove it. And please explain how if everything complex requires a creator, then what created your imaginary god. Don’t runaway.

    “This ‘nature’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))”

    This ‘god’ business is just a ((((HOAX))))

  84. on 15 Jan 2013 at 3:56 pm 84.phil said …

    Fundamental to theist thinking seems to be that nothing can be created without a creator and that the creator must be more complex than the created; complexity cannot arise from simplicity- could the opposite not also be argued? life develops from sperm, egg, seed to more complex systems. If there is a creator, it could be a relatively simple posssibly quantum particle/field with no intent or awareness; this could explain the the creator certainly doesn’t seem to have much interest in its creation.

  85. on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:16 pm 85.Anonymous said …

    Or you can dispense with all the woo and mystical desperation and simply accept that there is no creator.

  86. on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:18 pm 86.phil said …

    indeed, that could very well be the answer

  87. on 15 Jan 2013 at 4:48 pm 87.Todd said …

    I have heard someone say we can’t have something that creator doesn’t have. He says we can’t have personsonality without having a personal god. SOmeone said then we can’t have evil with out evil being in God. His response to that is that people have something God doesn’t have. Sin. So they are saying we can’t have something unless it is in God. But then they say we can have sin without it being in God. They have a double standard. They say there is a law in effect that we can’t have something unless God has it. But then they say there is an exception. Xian’s say God is the source of everything and nothing can be unless it came from God. So where did sin and evil come from? When I was young i asked a preacher who created God. He said no one created God. Big bang theory people say that subatomic particles or atoms or whatever exploded one day and created a big bang. And that was the start of evolution. I would like to ask one of these experts where did they subatomic particles or atoms come from? Who or what created them? The would likely accuse me of being a trouble maker to avoid there looking bad. Or would say no one created they they always were.

  88. on 15 Jan 2013 at 6:28 pm 88.Anonymous said …

    Todd, if you want an expert to answer your questions, then you should ask one.

    You do know that being an atheist isn’t a synonym for professional cosmologist or physicist, right? This is such a standard theist trope – “you don’t believe in my god so I’m going to make a fallacious appeal for you to answer every scientific question that anyone could ever ask” and then I’ll continue to complain that I don’t understand the answer. Sigh.

    Go to Wikipedia. You found your way here, you can find Wiki, I’m sure. Type words into the search box – try “Big Bang” or “Evolution”, if that’s what you really want to understand, then ask in the appropriate venue. This isn’t the place for those questions.

    Or, you could try talkorigins.org, or physics.org – it’s not as easy as religion where someone does the thinking for you, but that’s how the big-boy world works.

  89. on 15 Jan 2013 at 6:34 pm 89.Ian said …

    Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily. If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.

  90. on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:23 pm 90.Anonymous said …

    Ian, just for

  91. on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:25 pm 91.Severin said …

    87 Todd
    “Big bang theory people say that subatomic particles or atoms or whatever exploded one day and created a big bang.”

    Theist claim that uncreated and eternal god existed and one day he decided to create the universe. Claiming that, theists confirm the possibility that SOMETHING (they say: god, but they only SAY it, having absolutely no proofs for their claims) CAN exist without having been created.

    Followong theist’s logic, I say: if SOMETHING can exist without having been created, why god? Why not matter/energy, that is not created, but “just exists”, eternally, changing its form according to natural laws which are “built in” it.
    Unlike god, matter/energy is easy to prove it exists, and, as “creation” of it done by a god, AND existence of god himself, are impossible to prove, what else can I say but: matter/energy IS already here,and is uncreated and eternal. WHY would it be neccessary for matter/energy to be created?
    The question WHY involves will and purpose, and I can’t find any purpose of, for example, existence of the star Beta Centaury. Or the purpose of existence of tube worms on the bottom of ocean. So, the question “WHY” is wrong type of question.

    “And that was the start of evolution.”
    Evolution did not start with big bang. Evolution is an expression for survival and development of living world, not of the non-living matter.

    “I would like to ask one of these experts where did they subatomic particles or atoms come from? Who or what created them?”
    I do not say I am an expert, but I certainly have common sense developed enough to compare and to understand things and events.
    Where did god come from?
    If someone says “he was always there”, (but can’t give a single support to this claim, I say: matter/energy was always there.
    How do I know that?
    Well, matter and energy are still here!

    Did anyone ever see a god?

  92. on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:30 pm 92.Severin said …

    Of course, all said in #91 is my personal opinion, for which I can’t give any evidences.
    BUT, matter/energy ARE present, aren’t they?
    Big bang did not explode from nothing, but from a “cluster” of matter/energy which already existed.

    Unlike the isea of god, which can’t be proved, and represents only the PERSONAL OPINION of some people, I have “half a proof”: matter and energy DO exist.

    My opinon fits reality: there is no god to see, touch, measure, explore, anticipate its behavior in accordance to some laws; all that is possible with matter and energy.

  93. on 15 Jan 2013 at 7:38 pm 93.Lou (DFW) said …

    89.Ian said …

    “Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”

    Ian, please review this image:

    http://tinyurl.com/bl7ckft

    It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.

    “If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”

    Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”

    Conversely, if you claim that god exists, then prove it.

  94. on 15 Jan 2013 at 8:03 pm 94.Todd said …

    I am reading a book Why does God allow suffering. They say God wanted people to have free will. We wouldn’t have some good things if we didn’t have free will. And that many of the bad things that happen are because of choices we make. They say “The Bible offers practical advice on virtually all aspects of life. Many of its principles reveal how to avoid—and to some extent relieve—suffering.” So if we obey God’s laws we can relieve and avoid suffering and bad things.” They also say “We cannot live substantially free from suffering until we are reconciled to God and His commandments.” So they are saying if we are reconciled to God and is commandments we can live substantially free from suffering. I guess that is what xians call being born again. They also say we can’t always understand why bad things happen. We just have to trust God and his goodness. I did not read yet as why God allows people to suffer because of the evil of others. I guess evil is a negative aspect of having free will. If we did not have the freedom to choose would we miss it? No.

  95. on 15 Jan 2013 at 8:38 pm 95.Todd said …

    They say in a way what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.This book was written before the sandyhook masacre but they might say a good result of the event is that the community is closer tigher nit then ever before. So even though it was a tragedy it brought people closer together. People met people they may have never met before. Lives were strenghend. I think the families of the victims don’t care about that. They would rather have there loved ones back. People say good things never wouldn’t have happend to me if this had not happend.

  96. on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:42 pm 96.Anonymous said …

    Ian, it seems that you are arguing for the existence of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. RAmen.

    You only have to look around to know that we are all touched by His Noodly Appendages. And as you have yet to prove that He isn’t the Creator, your “logic” dictates that he must be.

    Please get back to us when you have proof to the contrary.

  97. on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:44 pm 97.Lou(DFW) said …

    89.Ian said …

    “Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”

    Ian, please review this image:

    http://tinyurl.com/bl7ckft

    It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.

    “If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”

    Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.” Atheists don’t actually claim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists disbelieve the claim that he does.

    If you claim that god exists, then prove it.

  98. on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:45 pm 98.Lou(DFW) said …

    89.Ian said …

    “Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”

    Ian, please review this image:

    tinyurl.com/bl7ckft

    It is complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created it.

    “If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”

    Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”

    Atheists don’t actually claim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists disbelieve the claim that he does.
    If you claim that god exists, then prove it.

  99. on 15 Jan 2013 at 10:51 pm 99.Lou (DFW) said …

    89.Ian said …

    “Solomon uses the car analogy to demonstrate all complex creations have a designer. We see this repeatedly daily.”

    Ian, please look at the patterns in a wind-blown sand dune. They are complex and obviously “designed.” Please tell me what intelligence created them. Is wind an intelligent designer?

    “If one desires to prove there is no Creator then they would need to prove why this analogy does not apply to the most complex systems of all.”

    Ian, something that doesn’t exist, and for which there is no evidence, mustn’t be “disproven.”

    Atheists don’t simply proclaim that god doesn’t exist. Atheists reject the claim that he does. Atheists don’t have anything to prove. Conversely, if you claim that god exists, then prove it.

    Otherwise, simply shut-up and stop embarrassing yourself.

  100. on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:38 am 100.Burebista said …

    “Big bang did not explode from nothing, but from a “cluster” of matter/energy which already existed.”

    Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?

    Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?

    A singularity?

    Francis Cricks aliens?

    God?

  101. on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:43 am 101.Burebista said …

    Todd,

    Sandy Hook (two words) happened because evil men do evil things. It wasn’t a lack of laws, it wasn’t God and it wasn’t the NRA. It was a sick man who snapped. Criminals do not follow laws and more laws will not solve the problem of evil.

  102. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:23 am 102.Lou (DFW) said …

    Sorry about the multiple posts, I kept receiving an error message when posting that I thought was caused by the link.

  103. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:26 am 103.Lou (DFW) said …

    100.Burp the Babeler said …

    “Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?

    Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?

    A singularity?

    Francis Cricks aliens?

    God?”

    And after hiding for a while, here’s Burp to offer more arguments against off-topic comments when he can’t offer anything to support his delusion about his imaginary god.

  104. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:30 am 104.Lou (DFW) said …

    101.Burp the Babeler said …

    “Criminals do not follow laws and more laws will not solve the problem of evil.”

    Neither will praying nor wailing in churches.

    Burp will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments, but he never will answer direct questions about his claim of god and an alleged god-given absolute moral code. The fraud returns.

  105. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:37 am 105.Anonymous said …

    Come on, Lou. You didn’t really think that the sock drawer could resist demonstrating its profound obsession with public displays of stupidity for much longer, did you?

  106. on 16 Jan 2013 at 7:11 am 106.s0l0m0n said …

    The patterns in a wind-blown sand dune is just a simple demonstration of what God can design.Now think of other complicated example like the sea waves that can move or the crystal patterns formed during crystallization process.
    All these phenomenons are created or designed by God. They are in absolute control.

    Atheists can’t disproof that there’s a particular kind of ‘star’ hidden somewhere in the universe.

    Atheists can’t also disproof that there’s ‘God’.

  107. on 16 Jan 2013 at 9:10 am 107.Severin said …

    100 Burbista
    “Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?”

    1. I said it was my opinion for which I have no proofs, but sound slogically to me, and fits the fact that, at least, matter obviously exists, while no one ever proved the existence of any god.
    2. I will post my proofs for my exposed OPINION as soon as I see your proofs for your OPINION that god exists. I mean, YOU were here BEFORE me to claim something (that god exists, want evidences?).

    Liar!

  108. on 16 Jan 2013 at 9:12 am 108.Severin said …

    100 Burebista
    “Sure it wasn’t parallel universes?”

    Sure it wasn’t?

    Prove!

  109. on 16 Jan 2013 at 12:06 pm 109.Lou(DFW) said …

    107.Severin said …

    “Prove!”

    Sev, haven’t you learned to avoid off-topic arguments with him?

  110. on 16 Jan 2013 at 12:21 pm 110.Burebista said …

    “I said it was my opinion for which I have no proofs, but sound slogically to me”

    Huh?

    So Severin what you want is this, just to be clear:

    You post opinions with no proof while all others post their opinions with proof? Matter and energy exists so it must have always existed and created a man with complex systems is logical? Run that through the scientific method for us Severin.

  111. on 16 Jan 2013 at 1:42 pm 111.Lou(DFW) said …

    109.Burp the Babeler said …

    “You post opinions with no proof while all others post their opinions with proof?”

    LOL! ALL others?

    Liar – when did you ever post any proof for your claim that god exists and that he issued an absolute moral code? Show us, liar.

  112. on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:27 pm 112.Severin said …

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=2473#comment-44660

    #305 Burebista:
    “Of course I know God exists.”

    #110 up here, Burebista:
    “You post opinions with no proof …”

    Burebista, opinions are to be explained, not proved, and I gave explanation for mine. I never said my opinion is the only correct one.

    Now you explain or prove existence of god, because you posted your opinion (“I know god exists”) withot any explanation, not to mention proof.
    It is not nice to do something you are criticizing other people for: exposing your opinion without any explanation.
    We might understand it as your claim.

  113. on 16 Jan 2013 at 2:30 pm 113.Anonymous said …

    What has the big bang got to do with the question of if this imaginary being “god” is faithful or not?

    Burebista. If you have proof that this god isn’t a delusion, that it exists and actually gives a shit, or if you can shed light on the whereabouts of this so-called Christian “moral code” (raping children, lying, shooting school-kids, so it seems?) then post it.

    Else stop trolling and stop with the attempts to change the subject with your constant red-herrings and childish comments.

  114. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:31 pm 114.Lou(DFW) said …

    106.s0l0m0n said …

    “The patterns in a wind-blown sand dune is just a simple demonstration of what God can design.”

    LOL! God is designing sand dunes by blowing on them while millions of children are starving. Some god!

    “Now think of other complicated example like the sea waves that can move or the crystal patterns formed during crystallization process.
    All these phenomenons are created or designed by God.”

    When a tsunami kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people, then god is the murderer?

    “Atheists can’t disproof that there’s a particular kind of ’star’ hidden somewhere in the universe.
    Atheists can’t also disproof that there’s ‘God’.”

    When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence? Whenever theists proclaim that, then what they mean is that THEY don’t have any evidence for their imaginary god. Atheists need not “disproof” that your imaginary doesn’t exist anymore than they must “disproof” that Zeus doesn’t exist.

  115. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:34 pm 115.q said …

    Todd,

    This article might help you to understand.

    http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_18645312

  116. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:39 pm 116.Burebista said …

    Burebista “will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments”

    Severin,

    For the record, I don’t find your comments meaningless and rambling. I’m sorry that Lou is so down on you.

    Severin, would you not agree not providing evidence for your opinions but requiring others to provide evidence for their opinion is hypocritical?

  117. on 16 Jan 2013 at 3:58 pm 117.Lou(DFW) said …

    114.Burp the Babeler said …

    “For the record, I don’t find your comments meaningless and rambling.”

    For someone who claims to be fluent in three languages, you have a reading comprehension problem. Either that or, as usual, you attempted to intentionally misrepresent what I wrote in 104.

    For the record, my comments were about YOUR comments about TODD, not Sev, dummy.

    Regardless, you failed to reply to the rest of 104 –

    “…never will answer direct questions about his claim of god and an alleged god-given absolute moral code.”

    Fraud.

  118. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:03 pm 118.Severin said …

    115 Burebista
    “Burebista “will reply to meaningless rambling and off-topic comments. … I’m sorry that Lou is so down on you.”

    It was Lou’s comment to your reply to someone else’s post (Todd’s, I think), mot mine.

    You are showing us your character of a sick liar again.
    Don’t you see how miserable you are?

  119. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:11 pm 119.Severin said …

    115 Burebista
    “Severin, would you not agree not providing evidence for your opinions but requiring others to provide evidence for their opinion is hypocritical?”

    Where is your evidence for your opinion: “Of course I know god exists”?

  120. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:21 pm 120.Lou(DFW) said …

    117.Severin said …

    ‘Where is your evidence for your opinion: “Of course I know god exists”?’

    That’s not an opinion, it’s a statement of fact. And anyone who says that is either a liar or deluded because they “know” no such thing.

  121. on 16 Jan 2013 at 4:23 pm 121.Severin said …

    Burebista,

    I had several long discussions with theists on these pages during last few years.
    Some of them were very honest, and we ended our debates with each of us keeping his opinion, but without any attempt, from either side, to prove him/herself right using lies and missconstructions, as you do.

    Lying so arrantly is only your characteristic.
    Not even some Horatios, Xenons, Bens, Solomons, Messengers, etc, never tried to falsify other people’s words, and make false connections and constructions, so directly and so transparently as you do, to try to make himself right.

    I am really sorry for you. You must be very, very sick.

    Shall I make a list of your lies here?

  122. on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:23 pm 122.Anonymous said …

    Lou(DFW) said …

    “When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence?”

    Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.
    There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.

    All atheists,however you twist,whatever you twist,you just can’t disproof that there is God.

  123. on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:24 pm 123.MrQ said …

    Bur, previously:

    “Big bang did not explode from nothing, but from a “cluster” of matter/energy which already existed.”

    Where is the proof this matter/energy already existed Severin?

    From the laws of thermodynamics, for example. State a case for when the laws were not applicable. Can you? Oh, you’ve got “godidit” as the “escape all reasoning and explanation” card and I am sure you’ll play it.

  124. on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:26 pm 124.s0l0m0n said …

    Lou(DFW) said …

    “When are you ever going to understand this simple concept – atheists need not “disproof” something for which there is no evidence?”

    Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.
    There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.

    All atheists,however you twist,whatever you twist,you just can’t disproof that there is God.

    Sorry….didn’t mention my identity earlier

  125. on 16 Jan 2013 at 5:40 pm 125.Lou(DFW) said …

    120.Anonymous said …

    “Then don’t try to disproof that there is God.”

    Atheists don’t “disproof” that there is a god. Atheists offer evidence and “disproof” of theists’ evidence for their imaginary god.

    “There’s ample of evidence that there is a God.”

    Really? Which evidence? Which god? Please present it.

    “All atheists…can’t disproof that there is God.”

    That part of your comment is correct. And just how many times must it be explained to you that we don’t need to “disproof” god anymore than we must “disproof” astrology, alien abduction, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monsters, nor any other of thousands of irrational, illogical beliefs for which there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER?

  126. on 16 Jan 2013 at 7:29 pm 126.Anonymous said …

    Standard theist wordplay / equivocation.

    “I know” = “I believe”
    “Proof” = “Belief”
    “Common Sense” = “Belief”
    “Truth” = “Belief”
    “Fact” = “Assertion”
    “You can’t disprove” = “I can’t prove”
    “Respect my beliefs” = “Don’t question my assertions”
    “Mystery” = “Gullibility”
    “Historical” = “Myth”
    “Evidence” = “Anecdote”
    “Ample” = “Scant”

  127. on 16 Jan 2013 at 10:02 pm 127.Burebista said …

    No answer Severin. So you admit you post your opinions with no evidence but the theists must produce evidence with their opinions. Evidence, you of course, get to judge.

    Then you have the audacity to question my character.
    Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.

  128. on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:05 pm 128.Anonymous said …

    127.Burebista said …

    “No answer Severin.”

    LOL! Where are YOUR answers? Where is your god-given moral code?

    “So you admit you post your opinions with no evidence…”

    Of course he did.

    “…but the theists must produce evidence with their opinions.”

    Opinions? Are you now admitting that the claims that theists post here are actually nothing but “opinions?” In other words, you’re admitting that you don’t know that god exists, it’s only your “opinion?” Did I understand you? God exists is only your opinion. PERFECT!

    “Evidence, you of course, get to judge.”

    Judge, no. Refute, yes. So post it, fraud.

    “Then you have the audacity to question my character.”

    AUDACITY?! LOL! We don’t need no stinking audacity to question your character. Your character is not in any way questionable! We have your lies right here on this blog. You’re a blatant liar and fraud. You don’t have any “character” to question.

    “Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.”

    Really? Is hypocrisy contrary to your god-given absolute moral code? Prove it, fraud.

  129. on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:06 pm 129.Lou (DFW) said …

    Sorry, anonymous #128 was me.

  130. on 16 Jan 2013 at 11:09 pm 130.Lou (DFW) said …

    127.Burp said …

    “Sure Severin. I just wanted hour hypocrisy on record.”

    LOL! Sev, you are now on notice! Burp has your “hypocrisy on record.”

  131. on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:16 am 131.Anonymous said …

    Well, now we have the matter of Sev’s so-called hypocrisy “on record”, let’s stop with the diversions and get back to facts.

    It doesn’t matter which of your sock-puppets you wish to use to post it, “Burp” please provide us with the definitive and absolute god-given Christian moral code that we hear about, but no-one seems willing to provide.

  132. on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:36 am 132.s0l0m0n said …

    The real God is not imaginary. It’s more than a scientific fact. It’s supported by the “car manufacturing analogy”.

  133. on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:39 am 133.alex said …

    All the Vulcan nonbelievers here are full of shit. Vulcan must be the true god.

  134. on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:20 am 134.Todd said …

    How does someone disprove something that does not exist? Xians say God exist because the bible says so. And And what appears to be footprints. And hair of the alleged creature. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
    As for bigfoot. There is film footage of the alleged bigfoot.

  135. on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:22 am 135.A said …

    Well, I have no problem with Christian mingle. They make money and some singles find a mate. A win-win.

  136. on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:34 am 136.Lou (DFW) said …

    134.ASS said …

    “Well, I have no problem with Christian mingle. They make money and some singles find a mate. A win-win.”

    Yeah, as long as somebody makes money from the gullibility of the deluded religious, it’s a “win-win.” What’s new?

  137. on 17 Jan 2013 at 3:44 am 137.Lou (DFW) said …

    133.Todd said …

    “And And what appears to be footprints. And hair of the alleged creature.”

    “As for bigfoot. There is film footage of the alleged bigfoot.”

    Hmm… but there’s no “film footage” of your imaginary god, and there’s more evidence for Bigfoot.

    “For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky.”

    And for a very long time they thought it was flat and that it was the center of the universe with the sun, moon, and stars all revolving around it – they were wrong about that, and they’re wrong about the existence of their imaginary god.

    “Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.”

    Oh yeah? I do, and so do many others. There’s no evidence for your imaginary god. All you ever provide is lip service for your imaginary god, and rather pathetically at that.

    BTW – if your imaginary god can be seen through “divine nature” with all of his alleged “eternal power,” then why does he need mortal men to publish a piss-poorly written book of stories and to preach in order to communicate with us? Some god.

  138. on 17 Jan 2013 at 5:35 am 138.Todd said …

    In the story Les Miserabe the inspector kills himself because he can’t live in a world where people can change because that means his entire life philosphy was wrong. He would rather be dead than live in a world that proves he is wrong about his philosophy.

  139. on 17 Jan 2013 at 6:35 am 139.s0l0m0n said …

    Atheists just could not refute the necessity of a God. They could not ever get away from the fact that there must be an intelligent being behind ‘all’ creations.

    One will look silly to deny the “car manufacturing analogy”.

    It needs intelligence even to sketch a simple cartoon character and the intelligence should surely come from a life being.And Must Not come from an unidentified lifeless form ‘Nature’.

    Let’s cite a simple example.
    You can’t expect a stone to sketch a simple cartoon character or let’s say even an Ape couldn’t do that.

    Atheists won’t be able to account for these simple reasoning.Actually they have no ever substance to deny God.

  140. on 17 Jan 2013 at 6:35 am 140.Anonymous said …

    Life cycle of a troll (some stages omitted for simplicity)

    A –> Asher –> Burbista –> Tom –> Xenon (repeat)

  141. on 17 Jan 2013 at 12:32 pm 141.A said …

    “Atheists just could not refute the necessity of a God. They could not ever get away from the fact that there must be an intelligent being behind ‘all’ creations.”

    Solomon, individuals will go to extraordinary measures to protect their worldview. Rather than admit intelligence is a necessity for creation they will make up all sorts of ridiculous possibilities and then argue on blogs about a being that they claim does not exist.

    I wonder if they hit the anti-santa blogs as enthusiastically?

  142. on 17 Jan 2013 at 1:31 pm 142.MrQ said …

    “A” plays the “escape all reasoning and explanation” card. And, in the process, supports a muslim brother who has condemned him to (((HELL))) for putting his money on the wrong pony.

    “Atheists just could not refute the necessity of a God. They could not ever get away from the fact that there must be an intelligent being behind ‘all’ creations.”
    Solomon, individuals will go to extraordinary measures to protect their worldview.

    Well played, sir!!!!!!

  143. on 17 Jan 2013 at 2:12 pm 143.Lou(DFW) said …

    139.s0l0m0n said …

    “Atheists won’t be able to account for these simple reasoning.Actually they have no ever substance to deny God.”

    Can you answer one simple question – of all the thousands of imaginary gods, which one is the real god?

  144. on 17 Jan 2013 at 2:22 pm 144.Lou(DFW) said …

    141.ASS said …

    “Solomon, individuals will go to extraordinary measures to protect their worldview.”

    (sigh) Poor ASS, he has no other way to defend his delusion than to lie about those who don’t agree with him. Disbelief in your imaginary god isn’t a “worldview.”

    “Rather than admit intelligence is a necessity for creation…”

    We would rather see your evidence for such an empty claim. Please provide it.

    “…they will make up all sorts of ridiculous possibilities…”

    Actually, no. ASS lies again. The vast, VAST majority of atheists do no such thing.

    “…and then argue on blogs about a being that they claim does not exist.”

    ASS lies AGAIN. We “argue” about a being that YOU claim exists, but for which you NEVER, EVER provide any evidence.

    “I wonder if they hit the anti-santa blogs as enthusiastically?”

    Who cares about what you “wonder?” We only care about what you can demonstrate, and so far you only demonstrated that you a delusional, pathological liar and fraud. But it is revealing that you compare your belief in an imaginary god to a child’s belief in imaginary Santa.

  145. on 21 Jan 2013 at 2:17 pm 145.Lesbian Carwasher said …

    i just want to know one thing…

    if any theist can answer this i will be converted to the religion

    How did “god” make all the matter?
    he must obey the rules of physics so if you answer in an incorrect manner i will not convert.
    now, theists, you have a week!!!

  146. on 22 Jan 2013 at 2:51 am 146.s0l0m0n said …

    Lesbian Carwasher,

    It’s purely simple. God need only to say “be it” and instantly it’s there.That’s higher than physics.
    Now (((CONVERT))).

  147. on 22 Jan 2013 at 12:42 pm 147.Lesbian Carwasher said …

    *BEEP*

    incorrect, you did not abide to the laws of physics, that no matter what, cannot be broken or changed regardless of your “power”

    no conversion for i

    NOW EVERY ONE CONVERT TO BRONYISM

  148. on 22 Jan 2013 at 3:32 pm 148.s0l0m0n said …

    If you say so,lets debate on it.

  149. on 22 Jan 2013 at 3:37 pm 149.Omega said …

    Fluttershy is best pony. :3

  150. on 25 Jan 2013 at 10:47 pm 150.Phil said …

    And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings. Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.

  151. on 26 Jan 2013 at 4:17 am 151.s0l0m0n said …

    Bravo….Phil! Bravo….!

  152. on 26 Jan 2013 at 5:52 pm 152.Todd said …

    I was just listening to a scum bag on tv saying if you call now and give one thousand dollars God will work miracles in your life and bless you ten times over. Then he quotes a bible verse where it says about God increasing the number of people a thousand times and bless you as he has promissed. He said write that check for a thousand dollars. And if you don’t have a thousand dollars put it on your credit card. He told about people who allegedly gave all they had because they needed a miracle. And they gave and miracles happend. e said God told him to buy a building for his church. The building was 7.7 million dolllars. He said God told time to give all he had to ten different churches. So he gave 12,000 dollars to ten churches. He claims he got a phone call that 7.7 million dollars was put in his bank account. My point is why does God allow people like this to spew this shit? I asked several xian sites why God allows people to say false things. The answers were God will punish them when he is ready. God allows people to do as they please. But they will be punished. And the simplistic answer is God has his reasons. And we can’t always understand why. So God allows people to be cheated, abused, tortured and killed because he has his reasons. I think if God were real he should do something to stop people before they do evil things. Someone said on youtube that each person is as evil as hitler and others like him in God’s mind. Meaning God does not see one person as more evil as another. So according to them someone who tells a lie is as evil as hitler. I don’t believe that.

  153. on 28 Jan 2013 at 5:05 am 153.s0l0m0n said …

    Todd,

    God won’t allow people to be cheated, that’s why he give them brains. If the know how to get proper use of their brains, the won’t be cheated.

  154. on 28 Jan 2013 at 5:06 am 154.s0l0m0n said …

    Sorry….

    ……they won’t be cheated.

  155. on 28 Jan 2013 at 8:36 pm 155.Curmudgeon said …

    “And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings.”

    Phil I would be impressed mightily if a single-cell organism formed from that, much less male and female beings. But they have to believe this. Their entire worldview is at stake and chaos to order must be maintained as random luck to maintain that worldview.

    You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.

  156. on 28 Jan 2013 at 8:56 pm 156.Severin said …

    #150
    “And you believe the world came to being in the Big Bang? All the life forms started from a single cell organism, which became male and female, and all this came from random happenings.”

    Who ever mentioned “random happening”?
    Laws of physics and chemistry are far from anything random.
    If you put a glass of water on your table, it sometimes evaporates and sometimes not, THAT would be random.
    But it will always evaporate, and that are strict laws of natuere.

    ” Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.”
    Which god? Please specify.

  157. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:05 pm 157.DPK said …

    ” Noo thanks believing in a God is easier.”

    Well sure it’s EASIER… you don’t have to think about anything. You don’t have to do the work to understand how things really work, you don’t have to learn anything or do any of that hard math or chemistry stuff. Just “God did it” and you’re done.
    No wonder theism is the primary worldview of the ignorant and uneducated… because it’s “easier”.
    Where would we be if Crick and Watson had said, “A molecule that can replicate itself? Nooo thanks! Believing in a god is easier…”

    You’re such an imbecile.

  158. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:17 pm 158.Anonymous said …

    Ass’s latest sock-puppet, attempting to change the subject from his mentally ill beliefs said: “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”

    OK, wise guy. Exactly what are those odds?

  159. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:38 pm 159.Severin said …

    #155
    “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”

    It would be so if events depended on random chance only.
    You obviously don’t know anything about physics and chemistry.
    Chance to win every state lotery very small.
    Chance to get a new compound form two or more existing compounds are in most cases 100%.

    And, if you have a lot of time (3 billion years) and a lot of opportunities – look what happened.
    It would be a miracle if nothing had happened under such benefitial conditions.

  160. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:45 pm 160.Severin said …

    #155
    “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”

    OK, we discussed that many times before, but you never ever told us: if you think that life did not arise spontaniously from elements and simpler compounds, HOW DID IT BEGIN?

    I mean, it is easy to just negate something.
    When I negate Bible, I don’t only mock and say it was not so, ha, ha, ha, but I make an effort to explain my opinion.

    Now, HOW AND WHEN did god create life?
    Did god create life as described in Bible?

    Can we kindly expect some explanation, finally?

  161. on 28 Jan 2013 at 9:50 pm 161.Curmudgeon said …

    “It would be a miracle if nothing had happened under such benefitial conditions.”

    What exactly happened under those “benefitial conditions” Severin?

    Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming. Don’t forget your evidence to support each step.

  162. on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:10 pm 162.alex said …

    “Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming.”

    why not go to a santa-non-believing site and demand step by step how gifts are manufactured from raw material to the finished product. better yet, demand how the molecules make up the raw material. just to divert attention from the fact that santa doesn’t exist.

    i’ll save you the time. evolution, chemistry, and the big bang are 100% bullshit. no need to explain eh? now back to your bullshit religion…..

  163. on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:21 pm 163.Severin said …

    #161
    “Now be specific, explain every step starting with the origination of the matter/energy for the Big Bang up to the single cell organism forming.”

    I was specific enough for the beginning: living world is all made of same simple molecules, which could have been synthesized by natural processes during billion of years. What more specific do you want?

    Now you:
    I don’t ask you to be very specific and to explain things step by step.
    It would do if you just tell us when and how did god crate life.
    Only in general, for example: was it according to Bible, or some other way, and approximately when?

    Thank you!

  164. on 28 Jan 2013 at 11:24 pm 164.Severin said …

    #161
    “What exactly happened under those “benefitial conditions” Severin?”

    How exactly god created life?
    It must be simple for you to tell us that story.

  165. on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:28 am 165.Lou(DFW) said …

    155.Crum said …

    “Phil I would be impressed mightily if a single-cell organism formed from that…”

    I would be impressed if you could ever provide evidence for your imaginary god.

    “You have a better chance of winning every state lottery than such a scenario becoming a reality.”

    Please calculate the odds that the specific individual known as Curmudgeon could be born. Don’t forget to include all the eggs and all the sperm of all the persons who ever lived on the planet. Get back to us when finished.

  166. on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:34 am 166.Curmudgeon said …

    Severin

    You can stop with your dodging.

    How did that first single cell organism form? In case you do not realize this fact, there was a time when there was not life. Your task, explain the steps, with evidence, that caused this to happen with no God.

    I look forward to learning something new.

  167. on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:13 am 167.s0l0m0n said …

    How God create life?

    It’s simple. God just blows the “Rokh” (some form of an invincible energy) into some form of a dead body or matter.
    Is that clear enough?

    Atheists are the ignorant.

  168. on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:19 am 168.DPK said …

    “How did that first single cell organism form? In case you do not realize this fact, there was a time when there was not life. Your task, explain the steps, with evidence, that caused this to happen with no God.”

    Oh, that’s easy. Is that all you want. Once there was no life. Then, a magical inter-dimensional space turtle sent a first cell creating machine through an inter dimensional portal and activated it, seeding all the planets, asteroids, and comets in the entire universe with a special magical dust that would assemble itself into a cell when conditions were right, and then magically disappear, leaving no trace of itself behind. Of course, the turtle, being inter dimensional, was able to make this magical dust so that it could never be detected, which is why you will never find it.
    See, no god required, and what is more, you cannot prove that I am wrong. Therefore, I am right.
    Now, do you admit that my explanation is every bit as logical and possible as yours? And, if not, why?

  169. on 29 Jan 2013 at 1:24 am 169.DPK said …

    Oh, sorry…. You asked for evidence too. I almost forgot.
    The fact that you cannot find any evidence of the magical dust, or the inter dimensional turtle proves that my hypothesis is true, because that fits exactly with the observable evidence.
    No, unless you have a theory that fits better, we can close this diversion, and perhaps you can explain why your god, who is supposed to answer prayers and intercede in human affairs, never actually does that.

  170. on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:49 am 170.Lou(DFW) said …

    166.Crum said …

    “How did that first single cell organism form?”

    It doesn’t matter how unless you have some evidence that it was done by your imaginary god, much in the same way that the ancients believed volcanoes formed. It was obviously the result of the angry volcano god. This exactly how it was believed that all then un-explainable natural phenomenon occurred.

    Crum, you’re nothing but an ignorant ancient, so besides the fact that you’re a fraud who never answers questions about his comments, it’s not expected that you’ll calculate the odds that you were born. Back to the sock drawer with you.

  171. on 29 Jan 2013 at 4:06 am 171.The messenger said …

    169.DPK, you are so mistaken.

    It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust. Dust is mainly carbon which is an organic material. He created eve by taking one of Adams ribs to form eve. I would suspect that he used the DNA that was located in that rip to make eve similar too Adam.

    Given the fact that the bible mentions organic material as the medium from which God constructed livening organisms, it is undead possible that the creation story that is located in the bible is Indeed plausible.

  172. on 29 Jan 2013 at 8:28 am 172.Severin said …

    #166
    “You can stop with your dodging.”

    … said the one who never ever supports his claims with any explanation, and never ever answers any question.

    Did god create life?
    Yes?
    Is it what you say?
    Do you DARE to confirm that as your claim?

    Now, without many details, just tell us when was it done and how god did it.
    I don’t need evidences, and I don’t need “step by step” procedure! Only approximate time and mechanism, in short. A few words will do!

    For example, start with the Bible: was life created as described in Bible, or some other way?
    If Biblical story does not hold water, we can’t wait to hear the spare story from you.

    Maybe you sign Solomon’s #167 post?

    SAY SOMETHING of your own, man!

  173. on 29 Jan 2013 at 12:55 pm 173.Lou(DFW) said …

    171.The messenger said …

    “169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
    It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust. Dust is mainly carbon which is an organic material.”

    Another messenger lie. Dust is not “mainly carbon.”

    You’re such a fool.

  174. on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:11 pm 174.Anonymous said …

    Severin said “#166
    “You can stop with your dodging.”

    … said the one who never ever supports his claims with any explanation, and never ever answers any question.”

    Correct. Every time he’s asked a direct question he either ignores it, evades it, or runs away. That’s because he’s dishonest and he’s a troll. He has no intention of answering questions, he’s only here to cause trouble.

    Yet, every time he sets you up, and be clear it’s a deliberate set up, with a what-caused-x question, you rise to the bait and you ALLOW him to escape by playing a game of god-of-the-gaps.

    Perhaps if it wasn’t so easy to take advantage of your honesty and your eagerness to help, then we’d have more opportunity to see the theists answer questions instead of this interminable “hey, atheists, how do you explain x” diversionary crap.

  175. on 29 Jan 2013 at 3:47 pm 175.DPK said …

    171.The messenger said …

    “169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
    It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust.”

    Messenger, I am sorry brother, but you are wrong. I told you in 168 and 169 exactly how it happened and I provided unquestionable proof.
    How are you so stupid as not to understand that?
    I will pray that you will understand one day.

  176. on 29 Jan 2013 at 5:10 pm 176.Scourge said …

    #171 Messenger I hate to break it to you but dust is a term for fine airborne solids easily transported in air. This boils down to the ratio of mass to size. It has nothing to do with composition. In cities like New York, much of the dust is exfoliated human skin, in New Delhi much of it is feces. In those two cases, they are carbon-rich. But prior to the planet being covered with humans, and only a couple days accumulation of feces, we can be assured the dust Yahweh puportedly used was more like the dust related to soil. That is for the most part inorganic silt and clay.

    Of course, it has now been proven the interdimensional turtle is responsible for creation. Your point is moot.

  177. on 29 Jan 2013 at 7:07 pm 177.Lou(DFW) said …

    171.The messenger said …

    “169.DPK, you are so mistaken.
    It is written in the bible that God created mankind from dust.”

    If your imaginary god required dust from which to create man, then from what did he create dust?

  178. on 29 Jan 2013 at 8:56 pm 178.Todd said …

    Has any big bang theory scientist ever explained where the subatomic particles or what ever came from? They say that was pert of the beginning of everything. I have not heard them say where it came from. Or who caused the big bang. Something can’t come from nothing. The subatomic particles and big banghad to have a source. I would live to ask them what the source is. And now scientist are looking for what they call the god particle. If scientist don’t believe in a god why is it the god particle? They are such hypocrites.

  179. on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:01 pm 179.Todd said …

    It is called the theory of evolution. I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess. So it is just a guess. A guess is not a fact. So saying it is a theory is admitting they don’t know it is 100 percent true. The same with other scientific theories like relativity.

  180. on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:33 pm 180.MrQ said …

    they don’t know it is 100 percent true. The same with other scientific theories like relativity.

    And gravity also?
    Couldn’t gravity be explained as “intelligent pushing”? A god is asserting a force (and, coincidentally, his will) on us – keeping us tethered on the big blue marble we all share. There, that fits nicely with the evidence. After all, god cares so much that even evil atheists must endure “intelligent pushing”. A god could remove the force from all non-believers and we’d all float off into space to die a slow and painful death. Todd, if you want to take this idea and run with it, just remember that MrQ discovered it!! You can have second billing – in small typeset – under my name.

  181. on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:46 pm 181.Severin said …

    #178
    “Has any big bang theory scientist ever explained where the subatomic particles or what ever came from?”

    They did not come from anywhere.
    They WERE THERE already, only in different form.

    All the matter, enrgy and space were already there, in so called “singularity”, then something “got wrong” and singularity “exploded”: in fact, SPACE started to expand, pulling matter and energy with itslef.
    No one ever said that the big bang exploded from “nothing”.
    SOMETHING was there, and that SOMETHING “exploded”.

    “Something can’t come from nothing.”
    “Something can’t come from nothing.”

    Like, for example, god?
    As you said, if god is “something”, he could not come from nothing.
    If he is not “something”, he is nothing, in which case there is no god.

    Make your choice, but have in mind that you lose whatever you chose:
    Either god exists, and because he is not “nothing”, but is “something, he could not come from nothing (your words), which means he must have been created, which opens the problem of “creator’s … creator’s creator.
    Or god does not exists, and all problems disappear.

    Try to think about the question:
    Why ANYTHING must have been created?
    WHY? Because you like it? Try to find the REASON for the claim: “Everything must have been created”.
    It sounds so artificial and illogical to me.
    WHO said that matter/energy/space must have been created?
    IF someone said that, couldn’t he be wrong?
    Why wouldn’t you be satisfied if something exists without having been created?
    It just exists, period!
    If you are satisfied with a god existing without having been created, and do not pose any questions about god’s origin, try to explain WHY can’t we apply the same logic to matter/energy.
    WHY?

  182. on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:53 pm 182.Severin said …

    In short: matter, anergy and space are not “nothing”, they are “something”, but did not come from anywhere: THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE.

  183. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:02 pm 183.Severin said …

    #179
    “I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess.”

    You are wrong. In coloquial speech the word “theory” is used for many different things, including for assumption, guessing, unproved claim, …, but scientific theory is something else.

    Here is definition of “theory”:
    “A set of assumptions, propositions, or accepted facts that attempts to provide a plausible or rational explanation of cause-and-effect (causal) relationships among a group of observed phenomenon.”

    A theory that fits reality is no more “theory” in coloquial meaning, it becomes FACT.

    “Gravity theory”, for example, is 100% fact, which you can prove yourself if you put your head under falling rock.

  184. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:04 pm 184.DPK said …

    on 29 Jan 2013 at 9:01 pm 179.Todd said …
    It is called the theory of evolution. I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess. So it is just a guess. A guess is not a fact. So saying it is a theory is admitting they don’t know it is 100 percent true. The same with other scientific theories like relativity.

    Go back to wherever you took your “science class” and get your tuition back. If you paid for an education, you were robbed.
    Then, google “scientific theory” and learn something that hopefully will help you sound like less of an imbecile.

  185. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:05 pm 185.Severin said …

    Yet, although the rock will brake your head, it is still called “theory”!

    Evolution is also called “theory”, although it is one of the most supported teories ever: IT IS THE FACT.

  186. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:32 pm 186.Lou(DFW) said …

    179.Todd said …

    “It is called the theory of evolution.”

    No, it is not, and it never was.

    “I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess.”

    No, it is not. You were incorrectly taught.

  187. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:33 pm 187.Lou(DFW) said …

    186.Lou(DFW) said …

    “No, it is not. You (Todd)were incorrectly taught.”

    Home-schooled?

  188. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:38 pm 188.DPK said …

    Home-schooled?

    That, or Bob Jones.

  189. on 29 Jan 2013 at 10:58 pm 189.alex said …

    congrats todd. question a fact/theory that you know atheists believe to be true and you get your predictable result. stop it. let me remind you. god is not the default in a CASE or if-then-else statement.

    if the earth is proven flat, or gravity is not 100% true, or 1 = 2, it still doesn’t prove shit about your god. please, don’t even try to make that leap: “if atheists are wrong about fact-2387a63, then god exists!, game over”. fucken moron.

  190. on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:40 am 190.Curmudgeon said …

    Todd

    It doesn’t even qualify as a theory. They have proof for microevolution but not one shred of evidence for macroevolution. It has been admitted to me that macro is assumed based on micro. They call it science but all it really qualifies as if naturalistic philosophy.

    I bought into the theory into my early 30s based on what I was taught. Then I discovered what I was taught was in error, guesses and outright lies mixed with a few facts. If it was real science they would teach it honestly but they don’t because for them it is religion.

  191. on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:42 am 191.Curmudgeon said …

    everin said “They WERE THERE already, only in different form.”

    Prove it severin.

    Todd, watch severin defend this statement and see how many facts he actually uses.

  192. on 30 Jan 2013 at 1:45 am 192.Lou(DFW) said …

    190.Crum said …

    “Todd
    It doesn’t even qualify as a theory. They have proof for microevolution but not one shred of evidence for macroevolution.”

    At a boy, Crum. Keep up the fraudulent diversion in order to avoid the fact that you don’t have any evidence for your delusion that your imaginary god exists and that he created the universe.

    Even IF what you said is true, it still isn’t evidence that your imaginary god is real.

  193. on 30 Jan 2013 at 2:11 am 193.Lou(DFW) said …

    191.Crum said …

    “Todd, watch severin defend this statement and see how many facts he actually uses.”

    Todd, watch what Sev doesn’t do, as Crum would do –

    ignore your question, demand that you DISPROVE his claim, or disappear, only to reappear as one of his many sock-puppets.

  194. on 30 Jan 2013 at 2:33 am 194.Lou(DFW) said …

    Todd,

    I will now demonstrate for you that Crum is a fraud.

    Crum, is there a god-given absolute moral code – yes or no?

    If yes, then please provide its location and its actual contents.

    If Crum is not a fraud, then he will directly answer both questions. But he is a fraud, so he will not answer both, and most probably will not answer either. Or, he will avoid answering by demanding that I answer a different question of his own. Or, he will demand that I disprove that there is no god-given absolute moral code. Or, he will disappear and one of his sock-puppets will suddenly join the conversation.

    Or, Todd, you are and Crum are one and the same.

  195. on 30 Jan 2013 at 4:29 am 195.Anonymous said …

    179.Todd said … “I was taught in sience class that a theory was an educated guess”…

    No, you were not. Never in a million years could you ever have been taught that in a science class.

  196. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:13 am 196.Todd said …

    How the hell would you know what I was taught or not taught? Were you there? I think not.

    All of the definitions below basically say that a theory is speculation.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    Definition of THEORY

    1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

    2: abstract thought : speculation

    3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art

    4
    a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action

    b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory

    5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

    6

    a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

    b: an unproved assumption : conjecture

    c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject
    Synonyms: hypothesis, proposition, supposition, thesis

  197. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:20 am 197.Todd said …

    For the longest time scientist said the world was flat. Then they found out they were wrong. They said columbis would fall off the edge of the earth. They were wrong. Scientist have been proven wrong many times. They said it takes millions of years for layers of earth to be created like it is. After mt saint helens volcano erupted all of tose layers of earth were created in hours. Scientist were proven wrong.

  198. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:25 am 198.Todd said …

    There are lots of sites on google about Darwin’s “theory” of evolution.

  199. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:28 am 199.DPK said …

    Because, Todd, science classes are presumably taught by scientists. And every scientist understands the difference between the use of the word “theory” in the scientific method, vs the common use in English vernacular, which uneducated people, or those wishing to deliberately mislead others, frequently confuse.
    Read and learn:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

  200. on 30 Jan 2013 at 5:30 am 200.Anonymous said …

    I didn’t need to be there to know that you are lying or mistaken. It’s that simple “Todd”.

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