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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 30 Dec 2012 12:19 am

Why don’t we end the debate and simply ask God to appear?

According to Christians, Muslims, Mormons and Jews, God exists. Approximately half of the human population on earth believes in God or Allah. According to believers, this God answers prayers, performs miracles, reads minds, has ongoing personal relationships with believers, etc.

So, if this God really exists, why don’t we simply ask him to appear to the world and show himself? All these believers simply pray or relate to him, and ask that he appears to everyone in an undeniable form.

Why can’t God do this? According to the Bible, God appeared all the time in the past. He even incarnated himself. So clearly there is nothing “wrong” or “impossible” about God appearing. God even appeared on command in the past, as described in the Bible in 1 Kings chapter 18:

[22] Then Elijah said to them, “I am the only one of the LORD’s prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. [23] Get two bulls for us. Let them choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. [24] Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD. The god who answers by fire—he is God.”
Then all the people said, “What you say is good.”

[25] Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire.” [26] So they took the bull given them and prepared it.

Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. “O Baal, answer us!” they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.

[27] At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” [28] So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. [29] Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.

[30] Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come here to me.” They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the LORD, which was in ruins. [31] Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, “Your name shall be Israel.” [32] With the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs [a] of seed. [33] He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, “Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood.”

[34] “Do it again,” he said, and they did it again.

“Do it a third time,” he ordered, and they did it the third time. [35] The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench.

[36] At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. [37] Answer me, O LORD, answer me, so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”

[38] Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

[39] When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, “The LORD -he is God! The LORD -he is God!”

Why don’t we do the same thing today? Why wouldn’t God, if he is real, appear to the world? Then we could end all of this religious bickering and doubt once and for all.

If we read the New Testament of the Bible, Jesus makes it clear that he should appear to us if we ask him to. This video explains how in less than 5 minutes:

The fact that neither Jesus nor God appears demonstrates clearly that God is imaginary. Yet religious people refuse to accept this clear, unambiguous evidence. If you are religious, please use the comment area to explain why you cannot accept this evidence and continue to believe in your imaginary God.

464 Responses to “Why don’t we end the debate and simply ask God to appear?”

  1. on 07 Feb 2013 at 5:21 pm 1.Anonymous said …

    Continued… for Martin

  2. on 07 Feb 2013 at 5:23 pm 2.Anonymous said …

    Continued… for Martin

    9) Which god are we talking about? Please name names.

    10) Which of the creation stories in which holy book describes the god and the process you are claiming?

  3. on 07 Feb 2013 at 5:47 pm 3.Martin said …

    “Why do you continuously claim that while ignoring the elephant in the room – if everything requires a creator, who created the creator?”

    Elephant? A common question answered many times is an elephant? Is it not true many atheist claim the energy and matter existed forever? Why not the Creator? The difference is a Creator is a necessary entity.

  4. on 07 Feb 2013 at 5:59 pm 4.alex said …

    “Is it not true many atheist claim the energy and matter existed forever?”

    true. but it’s not universal posit for atheists.

    “Why not the Creator?”

    because it’s bull? why not the Turtle? why not “I don’t know”? no matter how many times you try to hang shit on atheists, it won’t stick. atheists don’t believe in god or any other bullshit.

    why do i keep posting? i’m waiting on a build.

  5. on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:14 pm 5.Anonymous said …

    Ten questions for Martin, zero answers. What we did get was two logical fallacies: special pleading and an attempted tu quoque.

    Try again, Martin, only this time stop trying to escape by changing the subject or arguing about another position. Your challenge is to prove your case.

  6. on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:32 pm 6.DPK said …

    ” Is it not true many atheist claim the energy and matter existed forever? Why not the Creator?”

    The difference is that we can demonstrate that matter and energy exist. But you cannot demonstrate that this postulated Creator actually exists. All you have are myths and legends.

    “The difference is a Creator is a necessary entity.”

    Prove it. You saying it does not make it so. In fact, most of modern physics disagrees with you and does not find a creator to be a “necessary entity.”
    Could they be wrong? I suppose, if you had evidence to the contrary. Do you?

    Didn’t think so. So stop asserting things not in evidence. If you have proof, or even evidence that a creator is a “necessary entity”. Show us.
    But be prepared to explain why matter and energy requires a creator, but your infinitely more complex creator does not.

  7. on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:47 pm 7.Lou(DFW) said …

    400.Martin said …

    “Is it not true many atheist claim the energy and matter existed forever?”

    Yes, some do, so what?

    (sigh) You’re avoiding the question, to wit – if complex creation requires a designer, then why doesn’t the creator require a creator?

    I’m telling you that Santa Claus is real and he existed forever. Care to debate that?

  8. on 10 Feb 2013 at 11:39 am 8.Lesbian carwasher said …

    now, as we can all see here
    the natural theist in its hunting ground
    this one, which i Dub “Martin” has avoided its predators once again, but the theist will soon attack with its rather pathetic and futile, derail gun

  9. on 10 Feb 2013 at 11:46 am 9.Lesbian carwasher said …

    384.s0l0m0n said …

    “Lesbian carwasher,”

    :Not from the true religion. The true religion does not recognize evolution. There is only creation. That’s why the true religion is true….”

    Evololution is a fact, there is no debating on if it is false or not, so if it is true, which it is, then your religion is false.

    Sorry to burst your bubble…

  10. on 10 Feb 2013 at 3:47 pm 10.Anonymous said …

    “this one, which i Dub “Martin” has avoided its predators once again, but the theist will soon attack with its rather pathetic and futile, derail gun”

    Like the 10 questions above relating directly to his claims? “Martin” consistently disappears when he can’t get people to take him up on his diversions yet he loves to accuse everyone else of his own actions.

  11. on 10 Feb 2013 at 4:02 pm 11.s0l0m0n said …

    Lesbian carwasher,

    If it’s true,then answer this……

    Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to men that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.

    If you can’t answer then you are going to ((((HELL))))

  12. on 10 Feb 2013 at 4:07 pm 12.Lesbian carwasher said …

    Indeed

    XD

    And all the questions i ask, like how did noah not get eaten, how he got all the species of bacteria and aomeba and stuff like that…

  13. on 10 Feb 2013 at 4:43 pm 13.DPK said …

    Lesbo… answer is simple… god did it… god can do anything…
    Do you really expect an actual answer?
    They have the ultimate get out of jail free card… “don’t have to think about that, god did it.”

  14. on 10 Feb 2013 at 4:54 pm 14.Lou(DFW) said …

    on 07 Feb 2013 at 7:47 pm 407.Lou(DFW) said …

    400.Martin said …

    “You’re avoiding the question, to wit – if complex creation requires a designer, then why doesn’t the creator require a creator?

    I’m telling you that Santa Claus is real and he existed forever. Care to debate that?”

    ASS/Mitch/Martin went into hiding – AGAIN! LOL!

  15. on 10 Feb 2013 at 7:47 pm 15.Tom said …

    “Is it not true many atheist claim the energy and matter existed forever?”

    Atheist yes, but not scientist.

  16. on 10 Feb 2013 at 7:59 pm 16.The messenger said …

    Brother 412.DPK, that is an answer.

  17. on 10 Feb 2013 at 8:00 pm 17.The messenger said …

    People, don’t listen to Soloman.

  18. on 10 Feb 2013 at 8:10 pm 18.The messenger said …

    The animals who were on the ark evolved into the animals that are on the earth today, millions of years after the flood.

    The time when the ark was built, there were alot less animals on the earth. But after the flood, they started to evolve into new species ( the animals that are on the earth today).

  19. on 11 Feb 2013 at 12:54 am 19.DPK said …

    Is it true many theists claim that god exists and created the universe?

    Theists yes, but not scientists.

  20. on 11 Feb 2013 at 2:26 am 20.Tom said …

    “Is it true many theists claim that god exists and created the universe? Theists yes, but not scientists.”

    True, only the theistic scientist know.

  21. on 11 Feb 2013 at 2:57 am 21.alex said …

    ok. smart motherfuckers claim that god exist, and?

    we both line up our witnesses and tie goes to your bullshit god?

  22. on 11 Feb 2013 at 3:08 am 22.s0l0m0n said …

    Listen…Listen…Listen……

    Nothing evolutes. It’s just new creations.

  23. on 11 Feb 2013 at 3:16 am 23.s0l0m0n said …

    “The animals who were on the ark evolved into the animals that are on the earth today, millions of years after the flood.”

    This defies logic as well as the creation doctrine.

    If only the animals who were on the arc evolves into other animals, then the number of types of animals remains the same as Noah’s time.There will be no multiplication of types of animals that are found today.

    Messenger, be extra careful on your not so clever claims.Don’t taint the theists image.

  24. on 11 Feb 2013 at 3:18 am 24.s0l0m0n said …

    alex,

    Kick our own ass out of this site.
    You rant ((((RUBBISH))))

  25. on 11 Feb 2013 at 3:20 am 25.s0l0m0n said …

    Sorry….
    “Kick your own ass out of this site.”

  26. on 11 Feb 2013 at 3:39 am 26.DPK said …

    on 11 Feb 2013 at 2:26 am 420.Tom said …
    “True, only the theistic scientist know.”

    They “know” no such thing.
    But since you brought up science, please show us even one current accepted scientific theory that includes “god did it” in any way, shape or form.
    Since you can’t. Please STFU.

  27. on 11 Feb 2013 at 4:04 am 27.The messenger said …

    Here is the scientific theory that you are looking for, brother.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

  28. on 11 Feb 2013 at 11:01 am 28.Lesbian carwasher said …

    thats a form of creationism you tool…

    and thier is NO science that says god did it…
    AT ALL

  29. on 13 Feb 2013 at 6:39 am 29.s0l0m0n said …

    The messenger,

    You better let Jesus alone and come back to the one true God almighty.

  30. on 13 Feb 2013 at 4:16 pm 30.Anon said …

    Hey s0l0m0n and The messenger, take your bible and ram it up your ass.

  31. on 13 Feb 2013 at 4:34 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    429.s0l0m0n said …

    “The messenger,
    You better let Jesus alone and come back to the one true God almighty.”

    Ha-Ha-Ha! Those two are demonstrating the beauty of religion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwBPsB0oaE

  32. on 13 Feb 2013 at 5:28 pm 32.DPK said …

    Ha-Ha-Ha! Those two are demonstrating the beauty of religion.

    Yes, obviously they both can’t be right, but they very easily could both be wrong.
    Which seems more likely?

  33. on 13 Feb 2013 at 5:43 pm 33.alex said …

    maybe the polytheists are right?

  34. on 13 Feb 2013 at 5:56 pm 34.DPK said …

    433.alex said …

    “maybe the polytheists are right?”

    Well, you can’t prove they’re not, so I guess so…
    At least that seems to be the extent of critical thinking demonstrated by the ASS sock brigade.

  35. on 13 Feb 2013 at 6:12 pm 35.s0l0m0n said …

    Ahhhh….
    No substance….
    Is this what we call the not ignorant lots?

  36. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:01 pm 36.alex said …

    the theists’ substance:

    1. bullshit passage(s) from bible/koran/etc.

    2. diversions ranging from big bang, evolution, black holes, biogenesis, etc. if you cannot prove the big bang, goddidit. if you cannot recreate biogeneis, creationism is the ONLY alternative.

    3. trot out multiple socks in a feeble attempt to display unity and fellowship. the mutual ass-patting/high fiving is serious vomit.

    4. proclaim the power, the love, the mystery, and all that other bullshit, about their god. then proceed to trash atheists. carry on christians.

    5. many, many attempts to characterize atheists with various attributes such as liberalism which they then attack, in trying to invalidate the non-belief.

    6. dodge and evade any/all relevant questions. and if they don’t, they answer with one of the above.

    7. refuse to provide evidence, but insist that everyone believe in all of their many gods. not sure if this is even possible, but they insist.

    8. what else?

  37. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:07 pm 37.Lou (DFW) said …

    435.s0l0m0n said …

    “Ahhhh….
    No substance….”

    Says the person who won’t even admit in which imaginary god he believes nor which religion he follows.

    No substance indeed.

  38. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:14 pm 38.The messenger said …

    I am on God’s side. Fallen brother 429.s0l0m0n is not.

  39. on 13 Feb 2013 at 11:20 pm 39.The messenger said …

    I take that back.

    Brother Solomon is on GOD’Smind side, but sady his religious group is misguided.

  40. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:01 am 40.alex said …

    everybody knows it’s allah, but the idiot is ashamed to admit it. he knows that the moronic xtians will descend on him lika the biblical plagues. instead he just keeps mumbling generic shit like abraham, virgins and other shit to keep idiots like messenger at bay. then the utters some shit about hell, god is great, and other bullcorn.

  41. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:40 am 41.s0l0m0n said …

    Did’nt I say I KIV on the true God’s identity you scum….
    This is called strategy.

  42. on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:42 am 42.s0l0m0n said …

    Points to ponder;

    God have made the housefly fly….
    Than God could make horses fly too.

  43. on 14 Feb 2013 at 1:06 am 43.The messenger said …

    Brother 436.alex, we do not trash anyone.

    You are constantly trashing us Christians and Jews with your insain, hateful, ranting and cussing at everyone you see.

  44. on 14 Feb 2013 at 1:09 am 44.The messenger said …

    Brother 436.alex, I have provided proof of God.
    The fact that you constantly deny it, is proof that you are certifiably insain.

  45. on 25 Mar 2013 at 5:15 am 45.Adam said …

    Jesus says “Do not test the Lord!”

  46. on 25 Mar 2013 at 5:29 am 46.The messenger said …

    445.Adam, I did not test GOD.

    I just provided proof of a miricle that he did.

  47. on 25 Mar 2013 at 12:50 pm 47.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    444.The messenger said …

    Brother 436.alex, I have provided proof of God.
    The fact that you constantly deny it, is proof that you are certifiably insain.

    No, you just copied and pasted random useless shit that has no backing up.

    hey while im at it.

    you know that narwhals are actlual nazi’s?
    i bet you didnt, but because i said so, they must be.

  48. on 25 Mar 2013 at 6:10 pm 48.DPK said …

    444.The messenger said …

    “Brother 436.alex, I have provided proof of God.
    The fact that you constantly deny it, is proof that you are certifiably insain.”

    The fact that you think some cut and paste nonsensical drivel qualifies as “proof of god” is proof that your are completely deluded.

    Here is proof that the flying spaghetti monster exists:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twIdPRCCTTs
    If you do not accept this, that shows you are insane.

  49. on 25 Mar 2013 at 10:00 pm 49.The messenger said …

    Brother 447.Xcanthean Zeno, I do not cut and paste random stuff. I cut and paste links and articles that contain proof of GOD.

    If you would read them, mabe you would understand that Jesus is real..

  50. on 26 Mar 2013 at 2:38 am 50.The messenger said …

    448.DPK, obviously you are not understanding this.

    I will put it into a context the is so simple that even A socialist could understand it.

    The links that I post contain information from respected sites that support the fact that GOD does exist. In order to read this information, you must click on the link and wait for the website to pop up on your screen. The final step in learning how to access information is to read the article.

    Do you still fail to understand this.
    P.S. some YouTube video is not proof of anything. I present information from well respected sites. I hope you comprehend that.

  51. on 26 Mar 2013 at 7:07 am 51.Xcanthean Zeno said …

    Hmmmm.
    nope…
    they aren’t valid at all.
    just more random theist shit that uses sheer coincidence to make statments.

  52. on 08 May 2013 at 12:34 am 52.michael said …

    Heres to putting circumcision into retrospect.

    My parents mutilated my genitals. no more than 24 hours after i was born. sorry, had someone mutliate my genitals. they took a knife and a metal bell and carved off the skin around the head of my penis.

    the area that would contain the most nerve endings was severed from my infant body and tossed into a medical waste can. my wound took a few days to heal, all the while they had to care for it and worry about infection from the meconium streaming out of me no more than an inch away.

    i survived. and to its credit, i have never gotten syphillis, aids, hiv or a UIT.

    perhaps to its credit, perhaps to my parents credit for keeping my crotch clean as a baby. and perhaps credit to me for not having unprotected sex with diseased strangers.

    the point of all of this?

    the next time someone tells you that circumcision is a good thing, that is serves a purpose, agree.

    tell them that it is being recommended in africa, where people dont clean themselves and have lots of unprotected sex.

    tell them that if they expect their child to be very dirty and to have lots of unprotected sex, its a great idea.

    but as for you, you plan on being a good parent, so there is no need to mutilate your child.

    and see what they say.

  53. on 19 Jun 2013 at 5:04 am 53.Anonymous said …

    This is why lucifer exists its his job to create the chaos and confusion. At its most elementary level it’s good versus evil. God’s will is a coping mechanism at times for some at times not all. Your comments are blanket statements.

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