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Christianity Thomas on 03 Dec 2012 12:01 am

A Christian’s Perspective

The following comment appeared on this thread (#55) and offers a Christian’s perspective:

Hi im a 13 year old and I am a follower of Christ.

First off, don’t think I’ve been fed all of this from my family. I have been researching for a long time over this subject.
Secondly, I’ll be honest that this comment will have nothing to do with the text taken from the pamphlet that “proves” God is not real.

Also as I already told you I am a Christian. You may think Im poisoning your blog but just hear me out for this just once and read it. I wrote this to show you that a lot of your “proven” points disproving God cannot be scientifically proven and in my opinion, they are false. In the website connected to this blog, there are 50 points that “disprove” God. the first basically says that God lies about answering prayers. I firmly believe that this is false. My example goes like this: suppose you are in your 30’s to 40’s and either of your parents is dying or will die soon. First: where will they go after they die? Will they just go blank, their personality, mind, memories, and consiousness gone, popped into thin air? Never to be seen again? Well that sucks, doesn’t it? Think about it: You will go through the same thing. Maybe it will hurt. A lot. More pain than anyone has ever experienced. Then you pop out of existence. Doesn’t that scare you? It sure did to me. Believing in God and at least having what your mind tells you is a loving relationship with Him at least gives you hope. I’d rather have false hope than no hope at all. But back to praying, the results of praying are more often than not very gradual and are sometimes hard to notice. If you pray for your almost to the point of dying parent to become a christian, they may never accept Christ until they are about to die or they may never accept Christ. It’s their decision, ultimately. Abraham, in Genesis, was told by God he would have an heir from his own body with Sarah when he was about 75. He had to wait until he was about 99 for Sarah to give birth to Isaac. It’s a test of faith; thats another reason for prayer. It either builds up your trust in God or if you don’t see results immediately, you just pack your bags and leave. Also, in “Proof” #1, your example was asking God ONCE to cure everyone of cancer is absurd: first off, its putting God to the test; something Jesus direclty told us NOT to do after he fasted for 40 days in the desert and was being challenged into sinning by Satan, and also I don’t believe it really is God’s will that directly influences EVERYTHING. Look at the fall of man, which is the first sin committed by Adam and Eve in the Gardden of Eden: after Eve and Adam ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, they caused the entire world to be cursed: the ground was hard to work, thorns and diseases came into being, and disasters actually began to strike. It looks like God is punishing them, but He isn’t. You have to remember, before the first sin, Adam and Eve were like very young children, they did not know between good and evil. God told them they could do anything they wanted as long as they didn’t eat from one tree. Pretty simple right? Well they allowed themselves to be tricked into eating the fruit by Satan, and yes, it was their fault. they started the curses, including cancer. God doesn’t like us being sick with cancer, but he allows it because we did it to ourselves. He is not punishing us. He created a perfect world that we made imperfect, and he does not control the flow of diseases, like he does not control the orbit of the earth. Back to my example of you praying for a parent to become a christian, it istheir choice to accept Jesus, not God’s. God allows us to have choices: just like the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Een. He does not want us to be mindless robots; He understands we value fairness so much and respects that. He gives us a choice between right and wrong no matter what. Maybe that dying family member will accept Jesus. In fact, Charles Darwin, the man famous for “discovering” evolution, on his deathbed rejected his entire work on the subject. What does this mean???? Anyway, I believe that in most cases God’s will is irrelevent to most situations. This is coming from a Christian! Also you said there is no scientific evidence. You are right. You probably think that my faith is kinda like believing in alternate universes. There is no scientific proof. Maybe black holes, but since no one can go to a black hole, you will never know. With God, the closest thing to evidence is how much Christianity has influenced the world. a 7th of the world’s population says that they are Christians and just because one man died from a common Roman execution for criminals, the course of history has been changed many times. Not bad for a guy that died around age 30, is it? The closest thing to scientific evidence is Christianity’s influence. Once again, look at history. Yeah.

Sorry that this was so long, but God IS REAL!!! Its not about just praying and following the rules; its about a loving relationship with someone like no other that you get to spend the rest of your life with. Its not about escaping hell, its about loving Jesus because of who he is, what he did, and his unending love for us!!!

Please, take the time to at least watch the movie The Passion of the Christ. At least a five minute clip on youtube when he’s on the cross. And if you want to continue, pray to Him. ask him if you can be in a relationship with him. Trust me: he never leaves anyone out! Then, read a gospel and join a church! (I prefer non-denominational) Thank you for reading this entire thing and sorry that its so long just think about what I said please.

Thanks so much! God bless you all! Jesus loves you

Does anyone have comments for or against this point of view?

310 Responses to “A Christian’s Perspective”

  1. on 13 Dec 2012 at 6:43 pm 1.evidence said …

    If those of you looking for evidence will only accept as evidence of God’s existence Jesus coming down so that people may physically see him, i’m sorry to say that you are about 2000 years late for his(miraculous) resurrection–and He will only be coming once, nobody but God knows when that will be, and it will be a sad day for those who chose to deny Him.

    If you are willing to consider miraculous healing as evidence of God then you must only seek out testimonies(on/off the internet), which are not difficult to find.

    If you are willing to consider well-documented history, read the gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John. The miracles Jesus did while on this earth were WITNESSED by thousands, recorded, and you can read them by simply opening up a Bible.

    If you really do want evidence, I suggest actually doing these things. If you don’t, you should simply respond to this blog without allowing yourself to see proof of the existence of God.

  2. on 13 Dec 2012 at 6:49 pm 2.Lou(DFW) said …

    200.Helpless said …

    “I wonder, when atheists feel especially thankful, who do you thank?”

    Depends. Thankful for what? And how is it relevant to you? When Muslims feel thankful, who do they thank?

    “Why do you waste the only life you have to life trying to convince Christians that there is no God?”

    I don’t.

    “What do you say to the ‘humility theory of wisdom’? ie. someone is wise when he/she understands that they are not wise?”

    I say what xtians say about the so-called theory of evolution – IT’S ONLY A THEORY!

    “Do Atheist dispute this?”

    I can’t speak for all individual atheists.

    “It seems that Christians are more willing to admit they do not know anything compared to divine wisdom, while Atheists seem to have it all figured out. Anyone care to provide an alternate view?”

    Try to understand something – an atheist is the rejection in the belief of your imaginary god – that’s all. It doesn’t provide an “alternate view.”

    Now, Helpless, a question for you: where is your evidence for your imaginary god?

  3. on 13 Dec 2012 at 6:55 pm 3.Lou(DFW) said …

    201.lack of evidence said …

    “If you really do want evidence, I suggest actually doing these things.”

    Translation: Do what I do – accept myths, fairy tails, and lies as evidence. Accept belief in an imaginary god on faith.

    Oh, and ignore all the myths, fairy tails, and lies that are part of all the other religions that lack of evidence rejects because they are myths, fairy tails, and lies.

  4. on 13 Dec 2012 at 6:56 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    198, your answer is one of complete invention, absent facts to support it.

    Did you know that DPK can fly and Lou(DFW) can see through walls? They won’t show you though because it is wisest that you just accept that on faith. Now that’s something you are going to rightly reject as nonsense, yet you make exactly the same argument for your god in order to reject the obvious. He doesn’t exist. I can make any number of extravagant claims and excuse them in that manner. That’s why the burden of proof is in you to prove that your god is real. You cannot, so the religious retreat behind a wall of untestable excuses.

    Likewise, do you really think your analogy works? Let me put your analog in its correct setting.

    A child is shut in a room. It has a dark smelly tunnel with a sign “dangerous exit, here be dragons” and a slot in a door marked “requests for daddy”. There is no food or water but there is a pile of envelopes, paper, and some pens.

    Being afraid of dying the child writes on the paper “Dear daddy, I pray that you send me food and water”, he seals them and posts them through the slot. He does this every day and every day there is no answer. Each day the child says to himself “the dragons will kill me if I try to ecape, but daddy loves me and will rescue me or send me food”.

    Many years later some people come across the room. Outside it are a pile of hand written requests sealed in envelopes, all unread. In the room is a child who has died from starvation. At the other end is a tunnel that leads directly to the outside, but no evidence of dragons is to be found. The door is unlocked and always had been.

    That’s your analog. You seem bright enough that you can work on the metaphors yourself.

  5. on 13 Dec 2012 at 7:57 pm 5.Anonymous said …

    You know it really is deceitful, although maybe not always intentionally, the way so many Christians come here with their loaded questions, then rarely stick around to providing what ought to be easy; evidence that this supposed being that so many claim as a personal relationship exists.

    So what kind of nonsense is it to ask who does one thank? When I am sick, the doctor for spending at least 8 hard years to gain the knowledge to help us; the farmer for his produce; scientists for our many advances, and so on. Who do you thank when you find your car keys or someone returns the wallet you dropped in the street? I thank that person. From the question above, I presume that Help insults the efforts of the participants by the bronze-age practice of attributing those efforts to magical beings in the sky?

    “Evidence”, you keep using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means. This practice of equivocation is one of the many ways that the religious use to demonize people so as to avoid the real discussion. It goes hand-in-hand with false appeals to being “open-minded” and emotional arguments such as “hardened heart”.

    You also don’t understand how real academics research history, nor who actually wrote those books, nor when, nor how the Bible came to be in its present form, and you seem completely at odds with the concept of fiction, particularly if you engage in the circular argument of the Bible being proof of the Bible being true because the Bible says it is true.

    The above sounds more harsh than intended, so I’ll sum it up as that you are probably regurgitating the standard “take that, atheist” arguments from your preacher and you have never taken the time to look at your religion with a anything other than a need to reassure yourself that your religion is “true”. Conversely, you probably have no problem in recognizing Islam as false or Zeus as imaginary. Both odd, as the actual evidence for those to be “true” is exactly the same as for Christianity. Zero.

  6. on 13 Dec 2012 at 8:33 pm 6.Anonymous said …

    “Humility of wisdom” with regard to religion, you must be joking. Perhaps you are just another wind-up artist?

    Yours is the position that attempts to replace the unknown with “godditit”. Religion is the cancer that seeks to stem the expression of knowledge in any way other than a preformed reply. The theist “you can’t explain xxx therefore god” isn’t humility – it’s arrogance.

  7. on 13 Dec 2012 at 8:36 pm 7.Lou(DFW) said …

    98.Anon 161 said …

    “We assume we have(or should) have control over everything, but we don’t.”

    Who is we? Why would we assume such a thing?

    “And isn’t this particularly contradictory to a world that is random, one without divine creation/plan?”

    No. Why would it be?

  8. on 13 Dec 2012 at 8:53 pm 8.DPK said …

    200.Help said …

    “Trying to understand the non Christian perspective; would someone please answer a few questions:”
    “I wonder, when atheists feel especially thankful, who do you thank?”

    Depends on what. I thank my parents for proving me with good values, a safe upbringing, an education… somethings I thank my wife, family, teachers, employees, co-workers. I thank whoever is deserving of thanks. Who do you thank? An imaginary being you have never met or encountered, except in your imagination? Why not thank a lucky horseshoe, your invisible 6 foot rabbit that lives in your basement, or perhaps even “Lady Luck”? Serious question… why aren’t you thankful to any of THESE entities?

    Why do you waste the only life you have to life trying to convince Christians that there is no God?

    I don’t. Please note that YOU are here, on an atheist website… I am not over on “God Actually DOES Heal Amputees” trying to convince you of anything. But, since you are here on a discussion forum, I assume you are here to discuss… and why would I want to explain to you why I believe there is no god? Simply because it is true… and what is true actually matters, that’s all. The pursuit of truth is hardly “wasting your life.”

    What do you say to the ‘humility theory of wisdom’? ie. someone is wise when he/she understands that they are not wise?

    Well as has been pointed out to you there is no “Atheist theory” of anything. Atheists are as diverse in philosophy and ideology as group, the only difference is they disbelieve in one more god than you do. Curious you try to grab the moniker of being humble and acknowledging you are not wise, when it is religions, not science, that always makes claims to know things they do not know. In keeping with your humble lack of wisdom that you claim, will you admit that you do not, in fact know that your god exists? Will you admit that you do not know how the universe came to be, how life originated on this world, that there is in fact a life that continues after death? Will you admit that you do not KNOW these things?

    Do Atheist dispute this? It seems that Christians are more willing to admit they do not know anything compared to divine wisdom, while Atheists seem to have it all figured out. Anyone care to provide an alternate view?

    I don’t know any atheists who claim to have it “all figured out”. Maybe there are some, maybe not. I know many many religious people from all different faiths who do claim to have it all figured out… and they all disagree with one another. The ONLY thing I see atheists agree on is that there is no evidence to suggest that the christian god, or any other magical, transcendent god, in fact exists. That’s it… nothing more.

  9. on 13 Dec 2012 at 9:12 pm 9.The messenger said …

    180.Lou(DFW), eventually those people will be reunighted with their families in heaven.

  10. on 13 Dec 2012 at 9:21 pm 10.evidence said …

    Lou(DFW)…

    My statements do not require translation. I, and I presume you as well, would like my words to be taken for what they are instead of read through a tinted lens that applies a twisted connotation. If we cannot get past these things and continue a dialogue of empty rhetoric(which, in saying so, I am self-accusatory) instead of content, then the discourse is meaningless.

    Here is my question. What might be considered “real evidence”? A simple answer would be appreciated.

    As I said before, Jesus will not be coming again until his final return. If this is the only thing that would be considered evidence, the discussion can go no further. For those who require this and this alone, my heart breaks for you.

  11. on 13 Dec 2012 at 10:11 pm 11.Anonymous said …

    Evidence, any day now, the flying spaghetti monster is going to appear to all the people of the world at once. No one knows the exact date and time, but it’s absolutely going to happen. Now prove me wrong.

  12. on 13 Dec 2012 at 10:44 pm 12.Lou(DFW) said …

    208.lack of evidence said …

    “My statements do not require translation.”

    Yes, they do because you attempt to disguise them. Nothing you wrote is anything other than as I described.

    “If we cannot get past these things and continue a dialogue of empty rhetoric(which, in saying so, I am self-accusatory) instead of content, then the discourse is meaningless.”

    Translation: If you don’t accept as fact anything that I write, then I won’t answer your questions (honestly).

    You created a condition wherein you won’t accept a discussion that refutes your comments.

    “Here is my question. What might be considered “real evidence”? A simple answer would be appreciated.”

    A simple miracle or answer to a prayer for which this blog and its site is named:

    Heal (spontaneously regrow the limbs) of an amputee.

    “If this is the only thing that would be considered evidence, the discussion can go no further.”

    Translation: I will not allow “real evidence” because I will lose my argument.

    Yes, you and your fairy tale story book have a built-in excuse. Does it sound familiar? Kiddies, if you aren’t asleep in bed with your eyes shut, then neither Santa nor the Tooth Fairy will visit you!

  13. on 13 Dec 2012 at 10:51 pm 13.Right On said …

    “You are in no position to demand anything of anyone here.”

    Anony, shame on you. You made another baseless claim on this thread and you cannot back it up again. I actually ask questions based on the comments the atheists make.

    I am the former A? Gosh, you think!! I made it about as obvious as possible!! lol!! I thought the name Thelm-Lou would make it quite obvious but if you need to feel like you cracked the case Columbo then congratulations! lol!

    Sort of like Prime transforming into Lindsay?

    Instead of worrying about names why don’t you provide the math to back up your claim:

    “Unfortunately, the odds for any particular sect or denomination of any religion (others make the same case, and there are thousands of possible gods and tens of thousands (40, 000+) different denominations) mean that the wager only serves as a post-hoc rationalization.”

    And do it post-haste!

  14. on 13 Dec 2012 at 10:54 pm 14.Right On said …

    “You know it really is deceitful, although maybe not always intentionally, the way so many Christians come here with their loaded questions,”

    Anony what a hypocrite. You mean like making this statement with no supporting data?

    “Unfortunately, the odds for any particular sect or denomination of any religion (others make the same case, and there are thousands of possible gods and tens of thousands (40, 000+) different denominations) mean that the wager only serves as a post-hoc rationalization.”

    Oh, and may we have you define Christian please?

  15. on 13 Dec 2012 at 11:32 pm 15.MrQ said …

    From Ben, #69 (oh, how I love that number ;-) )

    Warranted fear is actually moral. If a bear is about to attack and we run out of fear that is certainly moral.

    This statement makes an assumption that you actually know what god wants. For example: A god could have sent the bear towards you so that it could survive, feed it’s cub(s), and give you passage to the promised land. As an added bonus, your life would serve as a reminder to fellow believers that god is great. As the bear attacks you could pray for your life and god would quickly answer the prayer with a YES or NO (MAYBE LATER is lesser of an option). So, to resist the attack is to go AGAINST the will of god, which is amoral and punishable by an eternity in (((HELL))).

    For you the only true way to know god’s will is to stay and pray. As an atheist, I have the option of running or shooting and killing the bear. You cannot, as a believer, test god. If he wants you to live, he will allow you to survive the attack.

    Silly Ben. Pretending to understand the mind of god. Sheeesh!

  16. on 13 Dec 2012 at 11:55 pm 16.alex said …

    “Oh, and may we have you define Christian please?”

    back to derailing, eh? fail. prove your god please. this is a nonbeliever site, remember? your shit is just that, until you back it up.

  17. on 14 Dec 2012 at 12:22 am 17.Cuilor said …

    Anonymous (very creative) seems to consider post-hoc analysis as an unconstructive activity. All historical sciences rely on post-hoc data analysis. A posteriori (post-hoc)tests significantly develop the array and potential of techniques that can be applied in investigative research.

  18. on 14 Dec 2012 at 2:21 am 18.Duh said …

    “Oh, and may we have you define Christian please?”

    Someone who is tired of searching their name on the internet and recieving only religion-related results.

  19. on 14 Dec 2012 at 3:44 am 19.Lou(DFW) said …

    213.Wrong As Usual said …

    “I am the former A? Gosh, you think!! I made it about as obvious as possible!!”

    As you with all your other sock-puppets. Why admit it this time after the other times that you were busted? Why do it all? There’s something wrong with you.

    “Sort of like Prime transforming into Lindsay?”

    No, not at all.

    ASS, you really are a psycho.

  20. on 14 Dec 2012 at 3:55 am 20.Lou(DFW) said …

    213.Right On said …

    “Sort of like Prime transforming into Lindsay?”

    Speaking of him, it reminds of something he used to write about you (IIRC). He wrote that you are the pigeon on the chessboard who knocks over all the pieces, shits on it, and then claims victory.

  21. on 14 Dec 2012 at 4:00 am 21.Anonymous said …

    Poor kiddo, busted again for being a sock puppet and trying the “but I wasn’t really” and “other people do it” along with your trademark pettiness, name calling, hypocrisy, projection, and attempts to derail the conversation with demands in order to excuse yourself from being anything remotely approaching honest.

    It also seems your computer literacy is below even using a simple Internet search engine. Yet you have claimed to be an astrophysicist.

    But to add to your embarrassing blunders, I’ll help you out. Really though, and it just proves that no matter how many times you change your name in order to hide, or try to gang up on people with your false pretense of support, you are nothing but a curmudgeon desperately trying to find relevance in a world where a personal relationship with an imaginary friend is something you should have discarded after preschool.

    http://bit.ly/SlIs0o

    Now let’s dispense with your high school level games and see you prove that your god exists. Should be so easy were it true.

  22. on 14 Dec 2012 at 7:04 am 22.Severin said …

    172 Messenger
    “If he did not love you, he would take all of that away and send you to Hell.”

    http://tinyurl.com/c2nehst

    This creature is already in hell.
    Jesus obviously took everything from this child. Even hope.
    Why does Jesus hate this child?

  23. on 14 Dec 2012 at 8:34 am 23.Severin said …

    ““And isn’t this particularly contradictory to a world that is random, one without divine creation/plan?”

    Who said “world” (universe) was random?

    It is not. It is ruled by very precise laws of physics that never fail.
    Just put a glass of water on your table and observe what will happen: it will evaporate after some time, PRECISELY depending on temperature and pressure. In summer, it will evaporate faster, in winter, it will evaporate slower, but it WILL EVAPORATE. No exception, ever.

    If that water sometimes evaporates and sometimes not, you could call universe random.
    But it WILL evaporate, without a single exception, from now to eternity.

    If you jump from a building, and sometimes got back to the roof, and sometimes ended on the streeet, you could call the universe random.
    But, if you do that, there is no chance to get beck, you will ALWAYS end on the street.

    Does it look like soemthing random to you?

  24. on 14 Dec 2012 at 11:08 am 24.The messenger said …

    221.Severin, Hell is far worse than that. The fact that thier are people who are trying to help those starving children is a sign that Jesus loves them.

    If Jesus didn’t love them, he would take all of those kind people who are trying to help and he would send them away. God has allowed people like us to help the less fortunate people of the world.

  25. on 14 Dec 2012 at 12:14 pm 25.Right Once Again said …

    Oh anonymous, you are such a big boy! You are just like Columbo!!

    This handle is mine too in case you couldn’t follow the trail. Lol!!

    But you’re right, the Right man is sad Nanny……you pegged me Nanny………Pegged me good……….I know, my life is so sad……….you saw right through me…..….my life is WWGHA and I have nothing else……….it is a depressing existence……….but enough about me back to your claim on the thread.

    Your diversions are not working but they do deserve awk!!! You, DPK and Thelma-Lou are three peas in a pod.

    Back to YOUR claim. Where is your math Nanny? Show us the math that supports this”

    “Unfortunately, the odds”

    What are the Odds Nanny and how did you develop the odds? Um, er, you do know that many many many of the same denominations believe in the same God, right? Just wanted to give you a hint before you and Lindsay do the math ?

  26. on 14 Dec 2012 at 12:14 pm 26.Lou(DFW) said …

    209.The messenger said …

    “180.Lou(DFW), eventually those people will be reunighted [sic] with their families in heaven.”

    First of all, why must they be reunited? Why were they violently murdered and separated to begin with, all at the hand of your angry imaginary god? Just so he can get some perverted pleasure from reuniting them?

    Second, you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that there is a heaven and that they will be reunited.

    It’s funny to watch you run around in circles like a dog chasing its tail. But in your case, it’s a three-legged dog.

  27. on 14 Dec 2012 at 12:18 pm 27.Lou(DFW) said …

    223.Wrong As Usual said …

    “But you’re right, the Right man is sad Nanny……you pegged me Nanny………Pegged me good……….I know, my life is so sad……….you saw right through me…..….my life is WWGHA and I have nothing else……….it is a depressing existence……….”

    ASS, he didn’t write any of those things, but you did, and it’s very revealing.

  28. on 14 Dec 2012 at 12:23 pm 28.Lou(DFW) said …

    213.Right On said …

    “Anony, shame on you.”

    “I am the former A? Gosh, you think!!”

    ASS, show us where he claimed that you were A.

  29. on 14 Dec 2012 at 12:47 pm 29.Lou(DFW) said …

    224.The messenger said …

    “221.Severin, Hell is far worse than that. The fact that thier [sic] are people who are trying to help those starving children is a sign that Jesus loves them.”

    No, it’s a sign that those people, NOT YOUR IMAGINARY JESUS, loves them.

    “If Jesus didn’t love them, he would take all of those kind people who are trying to help and he would send them away.”

    No, if your imaginary Jesus loved them, then he wouldn’t allow them to starve in the first place.

    “God has allowed people like us to help the less fortunate people of the world.”

    Yes, people like us who are not starving (because imaginary Jesus loves us, but not them?) and who have the means to help them because your imaginary god doesn’t help them. Why is it we have the kindness and the means to help them, but your imaginary god who has the power, but not the kindness, doesn’t help them?

  30. on 14 Dec 2012 at 4:44 pm 30.Lou said …

    “Sort of like Prime transforming into Lindsay?”

    Except Prime never admitted it. He had to get busted first. It was in much of the same manner as TGHO who boasted of his status as a college Biology professor until it was disclosed that he was an IT help desk tech. You can never trust an atheist.

  31. on 14 Dec 2012 at 5:15 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    230.Louser said …

    “Sort of like Prime transforming into Lindsay?”

    No, he changed his “handle” from Prime to JALindsay. That is not sock-puppeting, moron. I chnaged my “handle” here, too. So what?

    “Except Prime never admitted it.”

    Except that he did. He also provided a link to his blog that includes his real name.

    “He had to get busted first.”

    Liar, show us where he was “busted first.”

    “You can never trust an atheist.”

    But we can trust in one thing – that theists lie in anyway they can in order to support their delusion.

  32. on 14 Dec 2012 at 10:18 pm 32.Anonymous said …

    Lou

    You can never trust an atheist.

    Unlike good xtians such as Hinn, Hitler, Koresh, Jim Jones. Now those are guys you can trust.
    Lou, you fail again. Isn’t it embarrassing?

  33. on 14 Dec 2012 at 11:52 pm 33.The messenger said …

    226.Lou(DFW), I already explained that to you in my past comments.

  34. on 15 Dec 2012 at 12:01 am 34.The messenger said …

    229.Lou(DFW), a lot of those people are no longer starving because they have been given supplies and food.

    God is not cruel, evil, angry, or jealous.

    Those people died as an example to others that we need to be kinder and help others bumpy giving them food and money so they may live.

    As a reward for helping others achieve kindness, love, and compassion, the people who died will be sent to heaven.

  35. on 15 Dec 2012 at 12:16 am 35.alex said …

    me thinks we’re all atheists.

    why would a theist grieve when a loved one dies? because deep down, they know god/heaven/hell is all bullshit. all that brainwashing is not truly 100%. that’s why, they’re in here, arguing and shit.

    that’s right morons. keep repeating that it’s all part of god’s plan while you weep with the realization that it’s all bullcrap.

  36. on 15 Dec 2012 at 1:51 am 36.JALindsay said …

    Cool! People are still talking about me here.

    Unfortunately, the rest is all still the same conversation. I wish the theists would up their game and talk about something new from time to time. I don’t know if they’re even really theists or not, though. This place smells really strongly of trolls.

  37. on 15 Dec 2012 at 2:06 am 37.The messenger said …

    235.alex, the reason that we feel sad when someone dies is because we will have to wait a while before we can see them again.

  38. on 15 Dec 2012 at 2:09 am 38.The messenger said …

    Lou(DPK), here is the proof of heaven.

    Eben Alexander (author)
    This article is about the neurosurgeon and author. For his great-grandfather, see Eben Alexander.
    Eben Alexander III
    Born December, 1953
    Charlotte, North Carolina, USA
    Nationality USA
    Occupation Writer, neurosurgeon
    Website
    http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/
    Eben Alexander III (born December, 1953 in Charlotte, North Carolina) is a neurosurgeon and the author of the best-selling Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife, in which he shares his thoughts on his near-death experience and whether science can explain that heaven really does exist.

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    Alexander is the author of the autobiographical book Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife (2012) in which he asserts that his out of body and near death experience (NDE) while in a meningitis-induced coma in 2008 proves that consciousness is independent of the brain, that death is an illusion, and that an eternity of perfect splendor awaits in the afterlife. According to him, the current understanding of the mind “now lies broken at our feet ”— for “What happened to me destroyed it, and I intend to spend the rest of my life investigating the true nature of consciousness and making the fact that we are more, much more, than our physical brains as clear as I can, both to my fellow scientists and to people at large.” Alexander’s book was excerpted in a Newsweek magazine cover story in October 2012.[1] (In May 2012, Alexander had provided a slightly more technical account of the events described in his book in an article, “My Experience in Coma”, in AANS Neurosurgeon, the trade publication of the American Association of Neurological Surgeons.[2])

    Alexander’s book and publicity campaign have been criticized by scientists including neuroscientist Sam Harris who found his account “alarmingly unscientific” and who has written that “Everything — absolutely everything — in Alexander’s account rests on repeated assertions that his visions of heaven occurred while his cerebral cortex was “shut down,” “inactivated,” “completely shut down,” “totally offline,” and “stunned to complete inactivity.” The evidence he provides for this claim is not only inadequate — it suggests that he doesn’t know anything about the relevant brain science.”[3] “Even in cases where the brain is alleged to have shut down, its activity must return if the subject is to survive and describe the experience. In such cases, there is generally no way to establish that the NDE occurred while the brain was offline.”[4]

    In November 2012, Alexander responded to critics in a second Newsweek article: “My synapses—the spaces between the neurons of the brain that support the electrochemical activity that makes the brain function—were not simply compromised during my experience. They were stopped. Only isolated pockets of deep cortical neurons were still sputtering, but no broad networks capable of generating anything like what we call “consciousness.” The E. coli bacteria that flooded my brain during my illness made sure of that. My doctors have told me that according to all the brain tests they were doing, there was no way that any of the functions including vision, hearing, emotion, memory, language, or logic could possibly have been intact.”[5] Alexander also responded, “I know that my experience happened within coma because of certain anchors to earth time in memory.”[6]

    As of December 2, 2012, Proof of Heaven has been on the The New York Times Best Seller list for four weeks.[7]

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    Alexander was an Intern in General Surgery at Duke University Medical Center, a resident at Duke, Newcastle (U.K.) General Hospital. He was a resident and research fellow at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and Massachusetts General Hospital and is certified by the American Board of Neurological Surgery and the American College of Surgeons (F.A.C.S.).

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    Alexander has taught at Duke University Medical Center, Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Harvard Medical School, University of Massachusetts Medical School, and the University of Virginia Medical School.

    He has had hospital appointments at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Boston Children’s Hospital, Dana–Farber Cancer Institute, Massachusetts General Hospital, University of Massachusetts Medical Center, and Lynchburg (Virginia) General Hospital-CentraHealth. He is currently an attending neurosurgeon.

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  39. on 15 Dec 2012 at 1:39 pm 39.Anonymous said …

    This place smells really strongly of trolls” – yes it does; see comment #3 in this very post.

  40. on 15 Dec 2012 at 1:41 pm 40.alex said …

    let us pray, har! har!. i know i’ll see them again, sniff, sniff, (convince myself, convince myself, rinse repeat 50x, hail marys, bullshit, etc)

    real theists should walk around, head held high, confident, that they did everything in order to go to the promised land, but they don’t.

    consistently looking for affirmation, they come in here to antagonize. go home, motherfuckers and let me mourn in peace.

  41. on 15 Dec 2012 at 2:55 pm 41.Lou(DFW) said …

    234.The messenger said …

    “God is not cruel, evil, angry, or jealous.

    Those people died as an example to others that we need to be kinder and help others bumpy [?] giving them food and money so they may live.”

    Right, WE, not your imaginary god, need to be kinder!

  42. on 15 Dec 2012 at 2:58 pm 42.Lou(DFW) said …

    238.The messenger said …

    “Lou(DPK), here is the proof of heaven.”

    No, it isn’t. It’s only evidence of the author’s hallucination. It’s no different than a dream that people have every night when they sleep. A dream is not evidence of anything real. How many times are you going to C&P that fairy tale?

  43. on 15 Dec 2012 at 3:17 pm 43.Lou(DFW) said …

    234.The messenger said …

    “God is not cruel, evil, angry, or jealous.”

    Says you:

    Bryan Fischer: God Did Not Protect Connecticut Shooting Victims Because Prayer Banned In Schools

    http://tinyurl.com/cg7fxd4

  44. on 15 Dec 2012 at 3:23 pm 44.Lou(DFW) said …

    234.The messenger said …

    “God is not cruel, evil, angry, or jealous.”

    Huckabee To Fox: ‘Should We Be Surprised’ About School Carnage When We’ve ‘Removed God From Schools’?

    http://tinyurl.com/d893poh

  45. on 15 Dec 2012 at 3:48 pm 45.Suh said …

    This is why atheist become atheist and why they are despised often by their own. Check out the link to see how they treat women/girls.

    “Before I joined Reddit, I never thought of myself as a masochist. The great thing about Reddit is that you can subscribe to particular subreddits that represent your interests – in my case, that might be skepticism, atheism, feminism, science, and pictures of baby animals – and ignore the subreddits that make you angry, like Men’s Rights, Beating Women, Space Dicks, and [Choose Prefix] Jailbait. The problem is that Reddit is infested with shitty, racist, sexist, bigoted people, to the point where it’s nearly guaranteed that some of those people will post in your special interest subreddit. The larger the subreddit, the better the chance that this will happen.”

    And so it is with r/atheism. R/atheism is very large, and so it is jam packed with assholes. And yet! I continue to read it every day. I read it even though I usually learn nothing new from it and it only serves to create and foster inside me an intense hatred of my fellow atheists.

    Two days ago, 15-year old Redditor Lunam posted a thread called “What My Super Religious Mother Got Me For Christmas“, in which she linked to a photo of herself holding Carl Sagan’s Demon-haunted World:”

    http://skepchick.org/2011/12/reddit-makes-me-hate-atheists/

  46. on 15 Dec 2012 at 4:15 pm 46.Anonymous said …

    Right, because in Suh’s world, and strangely like that of the other trolls, accusing people who have something in common (disbelief in imaginary friends), even though it’s not the cause of their actions, is preferable to explaining why Christians still burn people alive for believing in the wrong spirits.

    Yeah, Suh. You made as much sense as ever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1EEgXS6e4

  47. on 15 Dec 2012 at 5:09 pm 47.The messenger said …

    241.Lou(DFW), Jesus suffered and gave his life for us.

    You can’t get much kinder than that.

  48. on 15 Dec 2012 at 5:26 pm 48.The messenger said …

    244.Lou(DFW), that is not the reason that those kids died.

    Why are you so misinformed.

  49. on 15 Dec 2012 at 5:28 pm 49.The messenger said …

    243.Lou(DFW), those kids are now in heaven and eventually they will be with their families again.

    Prayer banning is not the reason that those kids died.

  50. on 15 Dec 2012 at 5:34 pm 50.The messenger said …

    242.Lou(DFW), Eben Alexander had many tests done to his brain and he concluded that his experience in the afterlife was not a dream or a hallucination.

    That fact is within comment 238.

    Why do you ignore this evidence?

    I pray for you.

  51. on 15 Dec 2012 at 5:51 pm 51.The messenger said …

    Those people died as an example to others that we need to be kinder and help others by giving them food and money so they may live.

  52. on 16 Dec 2012 at 5:50 am 52.Slapnuts McGee said …

    The title of this article post needs to be retitled as “Proof that messenger is an absolute toolshed.” Seriously messenger, GTFO.

  53. on 16 Dec 2012 at 1:32 pm 53.Lou(DFW) said …

    250.The messenger said …

    “242.Lou(DFW), Eben Alexander had many tests done to his brain and he concluded that his experience in the afterlife was not a dream or a hallucination.”

    There is no such test.

  54. on 16 Dec 2012 at 1:33 pm 54.Lou(DFW) said …

    248.The messenger said …

    “244.Lou(DFW), that is not the reason that those kids died.

    Why are you so misinformed.”

    Why are yo such a moron? I never claimed that was the reason they were murdered.

  55. on 16 Dec 2012 at 1:34 pm 55.Lou(DFW) said …

    247.The messenger said …

    “241.Lou(DFW), Jesus suffered and gave his life for us.”

    No, he didn’t.

    “You can’t get much kinder than that.”

    Yes, an all-knowing, all-powerful god could.

  56. on 16 Dec 2012 at 2:02 pm 56.Lou(DFW) said …

    249.The messenger said …

    “243.Lou(DFW), those kids are now in heaven and eventually they will be with their families again.”

    You have absolutely no evidence of that.

    Furthermore, an all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful god could have prevented such a tragedy. That he didn’t makes him a conspirator. By any definition in any language, that makes your imaginary god just has evil as the person who committed such an evil act. Or your imaginary god doesn’t exist.

  57. on 16 Dec 2012 at 2:04 pm 57.Lou(DFW) said …

    250.The messenger said …

    “242.Lou(DFW), Eben Alexander had many tests done to his brain and he concluded that his experience in the afterlife was not a dream or a hallucination.”

    Dreams and hallucination are, in fact, “real” to the brain. The only difference, as far as the brain is concerned, is that one reality is external and the other is internal.

  58. on 16 Dec 2012 at 3:26 pm 58.The messenger said …

    253.Lou(DFW), how do you know?

  59. on 16 Dec 2012 at 3:29 pm 59.The messenger said …

    257.Lou(DFW), in that article it clearly explains why that experience in the afterlife could not possible have been a hallucination or a dream.

    You are in denial.

  60. on 16 Dec 2012 at 3:41 pm 60.The messenger said …

    254.Lou(DFW), if you didn’t make that claim, why did you include that statement in comment 244.

  61. on 16 Dec 2012 at 3:43 pm 61.The messenger said …

    256.Lou(DFW), I already explained why those people died.

    If Jesus is so bad, why does he let them live in hean.

  62. on 16 Dec 2012 at 3:46 pm 62.The messenger said …

    256.Lou(DFW), I have already presented proof of heaven.

    You are in denial.

  63. on 16 Dec 2012 at 3:57 pm 63.The messenger said …

    255.Lou(DFW), haven’t you ever read the bible?

    Jesus suffered and died for all of us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuc2aWJnmQ8

  64. on 17 Dec 2012 at 3:35 am 64.Lou(DFW) said …

    253.Lou(DFW) said …

    250.The messenger said …

    “242.Lou(DFW), had many tests done to his brain and he concluded that his experience in the afterlife was not a dream or a hallucination.”

    “There is no such test.”

    “257.Lou(DFW), in that article it clearly explains why that experience in the afterlife could not possible have been a hallucination or a dream.

    You are in denial.”

    OK, messenger, here’s your chance to prove once and for all that you are what you claim or that you are nothing but a lying fraud.

    1. You can retract your claim that there’s a test that can determine which memories are the result of reality or dreams/hallucinations.

    2.You can present proof that there is such a test, and you can provide the test results that prove that Eben Alexander memories of heaven are a result of reality, and not the result of an hallucination.

    3. Or you will do neither, and agree not to post anymore comments on this blog.

    What’s your choice?

  65. on 17 Dec 2012 at 2:39 pm 65.Lou(DFW) said …

    230.Louser said …

    “Sort of like Prime transforming into Lindsay?”

    “Except Prime never admitted it. He had to get busted first.”

    Louser, we’re still waiting for you to substantiate your claim. Until you do, you remain as always, a lying fraud.

  66. on 17 Dec 2012 at 11:19 pm 66.JALindsay said …

    230.Louser said …

    “Sort of like Prime transforming into Lindsay?”

    And for my next trick, water into wine. You’ll love it….

  67. on 17 Dec 2012 at 11:31 pm 67.Lou(DFW) said …

    266.JALindsay said …

    “And for my next trick, water into wine. You’ll love it….”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkPgYbdQ1kQ

  68. on 17 Dec 2012 at 11:36 pm 68.Anonymous said …

    Water into wine? BFD, any kid with a chemistry set can do that trick.

    Got anything better? ;)

  69. on 18 Dec 2012 at 12:00 am 69.The messenger said …

    Lou(DPK), read this.

    The spaces between the neurons of the brain that support the electrochemical activity that makes the brain function—were not simply compromised during my experience. They were stopped. Only isolated pockets of deep cortical neurons were still sputtering, but no broad networks capable of generating anything like what we call “consciousness.” The E. coli bacteria that flooded his brain during his illness made sure of that. His doctor told him that according to all the brain tests they were doing, there was no way that any of the functions including vision, hearing, emotion, memory, language, or logic could possibly have been intact.”[5]

    That was a quote from the website page that I got the information from.

    As you can see, the test that you keep asking about does exist and if you wish to learn more about the brain I suggest that you get a new one first because your current brain does not seem to work.

    Alexander also responded, “I know that my experience happened within coma because of certain anchors to earth time in memory.”[6]

  70. on 18 Dec 2012 at 2:07 am 70.Right Again said …

    4. Lou you can prove it is a hallucination. That is a positive claim and you have not proven it. Until you can, you are a liar and a fraud.

    Nah, you are regardless.

    Lindsay!, girl good to have you back. BTW, I was the one who busted Lindsay coming in with a new nick. Good to see you are remaining honest and retiring Primitive Neanderthal. lol!

  71. on 18 Dec 2012 at 2:12 am 71.Right Again said …

    #245 Suh

    What a bunch of filthy repulsive atheists. No wonder the female ranks in the atheist tent remain so low. I know Richard Dawkins has been criticized on his blog for his sexist attitude towards woman. I don’t know why these people must be such haters.

  72. on 18 Dec 2012 at 2:50 am 72.Lou(DFW) said …

    269.Right Again said …

    “[244.] Lou you can prove it is a hallucination. That is a positive claim and you have not proven it. Until you can, you are a liar and a fraud.”

    Actually, no I’m not. ASS, you are so desperate. A lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive. You, better than anyone here, understand that. For example:

    “Lindsay!, girl good to have you back. BTW, I was the one who busted Lindsay coming in with a new nick.”

    Except that you didn’t. Show us where you did. You are again demonstrating that you are a pathological liar. But because we all know that you won’t show us, then I’ll expose you for the fraud that you are.

    You were not aware of JALindsay’s former name. You were even confused about it. It was DPK who first posted his former name:

    on 09 Oct 2012 at 12:15 am 35.DPK said …

    “Prime returns… Kickin’ ass and takin’ names.
    Welcome back.”

    And yes, ASS – DPK was referring to you as the object of “Kickin’ ass and takin’ names.”

    And by the way, changing from one’s name is not sock-puppeting, something which you, along with lying, are very familiar because they both have the same purpose – deceit and fraud.

  73. on 18 Dec 2012 at 2:54 am 73.Lou(DFW) said …

    271.Lou(DFW) said …

    269.Right Again said …
    “[244.]”

    Correction, I think ASS was referring to 242.

  74. on 18 Dec 2012 at 3:15 am 74.Right Again said …

    HAHAHAHAHA, oh Thelma-Lou hate to do it to you but – check out #27 on that SAME thread. I already nailed the sock-puppet.

    Thelma-Lou you are great fun but I gotta run for now.

    Try to answer #4 while I am gone. It is a good exercise for you Thelma.

  75. on 18 Dec 2012 at 3:17 am 75.Right Again said …

    Lou, before I go. Can you at least post on the correct thread. Wow! what a complete mess.

  76. on 18 Dec 2012 at 3:42 am 76.Lou(DFW) said …

    27.ASS said …

    “Didn’t you just show up Lindsay? How would you know……unless……..you are a sock puppet?

    I thought so. Whats a girl to do?”

    ASS, first of all, he wasn’t a sock-puppet. You keep lying about that even though it’s been explained to you numerous times.

    Second, you didn’t even show that it was Prime who changed to JALindsay. As I correctly indicated, it was DPK.

  77. on 18 Dec 2012 at 3:46 am 77.Lou(DFW) said …

    273.Wrong Again said …

    “Thelma-Lou you are great fun but I gotta run for now.”

    Translation – “I’ve yet again made a fool of myself, so I must run and hide.”

    “Try to answer #4 while I am gone. It is a good exercise for you Thelma.”

    “4.The messenger said …
    1.annoymous, God is real.”

    In which 4. did I refer to a hallucination?

  78. on 18 Dec 2012 at 5:54 pm 78.JALindsay said …

    ASS tries to use my name to call me a girl, attempting it as a pejorative, because he thinks there’s something wrong with being a girl. He’s a sexist too. Awesome!

  79. on 18 Dec 2012 at 6:25 pm 79.Lou(DFW) said …

    278.JALindsay said …

    “ASS tries to use my name to call me a girl, attempting it as a pejorative, because he thinks there’s something wrong with being a girl.”

    Yes, we all know that girls have cooties!

    Ignorant people like ASS are afraid of those things with which they are unfamiliar. For example, in this case, girls.

  80. on 18 Dec 2012 at 9:33 pm 80.The messenger said …

    on 18 Dec 2012 at 12:00 am 269.The messenger said …
    Lou(DPK), read this.
    The spaces between the neurons of the brain that support the electrochemical activity that makes the brain function—were not simply compromised during my experience. They were stopped. Only isolated pockets of deep cortical neurons were still sputtering, but no broad networks capable of generating anything like what we call “consciousness.” The E. coli bacteria that flooded his brain during his illness made sure of that. His doctor told him that according to all the brain tests they were doing, there was no way that any of the functions including vision, hearing, emotion, memory, language, or logic could possibly have been intact.”[5]
    That was a quote from the website page that I got the information from.
    As you can see, the test that you keep asking about does exist and if you wish to learn more about the brain I suggest that you get a new one first because your current brain does not seem to work.
    Alexander also responded, “I know that my experience happened within coma because of certain anchors to earth time in memory.”[6]

  81. on 18 Dec 2012 at 11:55 pm 81.Lou(DFW) said …

    280.The messenger said …

    “As you can see, the test that you keep asking about does exist and if you wish to learn more about the brain I suggest that you get a new one first because your current brain does not seem to work.”

    As we all can see, you didn’t provide any information about nor the results of any such test that show whether or not memories are formed from internal or external stimuli.

    As we know, you are a deceiver, a fraud.

  82. on 19 Dec 2012 at 3:32 am 82.The messenger said …

    281.Lou(DFW), within that article that I posted, it clearly states that Mr. Eben’s doctor did tests on Mr. Eben’s brain in order to determine whether his brain was cap ible of any kind of consciousness durring his slumber.

    According to the tests that were done to him, he was incapable of such brain activity.

    So therefore the only logical conclusion to this medical mystery is an afterlife experience.

  83. on 19 Dec 2012 at 4:40 am 83.Anonymous said …

    Messenger, I have a question for you.

    When do you decide if you are going to make your trolling posts in the style of someone who cannot write nor spell, and when do you decide if you are going to write semi-coherently?

    It really is interesting to see how inconsistent you can be. Oh wait, this reminds me of this other sock-puppet trolling persona we know…

  84. on 19 Dec 2012 at 11:38 am 84.Lou(DFW) said …

    282.The messenger said …
    “281.Lou(DFW), within that article that I posted, it clearly states that Mr. Eben’s doctor did tests on Mr. Eben’s brain in order to determine whether his brain was cap ible of any kind of consciousness durring his slumber.”

    You keep posting the same non-answer. What is the test that determines whether or not a person’s memories are the result of external or internal stimuli?

    And I can C&P as well as you:

    “[Eben’s] entire account hinged on the assertion that his cortex was “completely shut down” while he was seeing angels in heaven. Unfortunately, the evidence he has offered in support of this claim—in the article, in a subsequent response to my criticism of it, in his book, and in multiple interviews—suggests that he doesn’t understand what would constitute compelling evidence of cortical inactivity. The proof he offers is either fallacious (CT scans do not detect brain activity) or irrelevant (it does not matter, even slightly, that his form of meningitis was “astronomically rare”)—and no combination of fallacy and irrelevancy adds up to sound science. The impediment to taking Alexander’s claims seriously can be simply stated: There is absolutely no reason to believe that his cerebral cortex was inactive at the time he had his experience of the afterlife. The fact that Alexander thinks he has demonstrated otherwise—by continually emphasizing how sick he was, the infrequency of E. coli meningitis, and the ugliness of his initial CT scan—suggests a deliberate disregard of the most plausible interpretation of his experience. It is far more likely that some of his cortex was functioning, despite the profundity of his illness, than that he is justified in making [his claim]. – Sam Harris

  85. on 19 Dec 2012 at 11:45 am 85.Lou(DFW) said …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwLgxniI7KM

    “Watch the video to the end. True, it will bring you six minutes closer to meeting your maker, but it will also teach you something about the limits of intellectual honesty. The footage shows Alexander responding to a question from Raymond Moody (the man who coined the term “near-death experience”). I am quite sure that I’ve never seen a scientist speak in a manner more suggestive of wishful thinking. If self-deception were an Olympic sport, this is how our most gifted athletes would appear when they were in peak condition.

    It should also be clear that the knowledge of the afterlife that Alexander claims to possess depends upon some extraordinarily dubious methods of verification. While in his coma, he saw a beautiful girl riding beside him on the wing of a butterfly. We learn in his book that he developed his recollection of this experience over a period of months—writing, thinking about it, and mining it for new details. It would be hard to think of a better way to engineer a distortion of memory.” – Sam Harris

    http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/science-on-the-brink-of-death

  86. on 19 Dec 2012 at 11:52 am 86.Lou(DFW) said …

    282.The messenger said …

    “So therefore the only logical conclusion to this medical mystery is an afterlife experience.”

    Ignoring that your logic is flawed, there was no “medical mystery.” Dreams and hallucinations aren’t medical mysterious. A medical degree isn’t required to understand that dreams and hallucinations aren’t reality. Nor is one required to recognize that Alexander is a huckster making money off of tools such as yourself.

  87. on 19 Dec 2012 at 11:55 am 87.Lou(DFW) said …

    286.Lou(DFW) said …

    Correction: “Dreams and hallucinations aren’t medical mysteries.”

  88. on 20 Dec 2012 at 2:50 am 88.The messenger said …

    I do not think that there is a specific name for the test that was done to Mr. Eben’s brain durring his coma, but based on the information that I have gatherd on the subject I do believe that there was a test done on his brain.

    I believe this to be true because of the amount of sources that I have found that all mention a test.

  89. on 27 Dec 2012 at 10:45 am 89.Me said …

    As, you stated yourself, it was Satan once Gods favorite, who was allowed to tempt adam and eve! Therefore, its was by gods own fault this occured! Because god allowed a cast out to temp them!

  90. on 27 Dec 2012 at 11:24 am 90.Lou(DFW) said …

    288.The messenger said …

    “I do not think that there is a specific name for the test that was done to Mr. Eben’s brain durring his coma…”

    Correct, because there isn’t any such test. You lied.

    “[B]ut based on the information that I have gatherd on the subject I do believe that there was a test done on his brain.

    I believe this to be true…”

    What you “believe is irrelevant.

    “[T]he amount of sources that I have found that all mention a test.”

    No, they don’t mention any test that can determine which memories are real and which are false.

    You are a liar.

  91. on 16 Feb 2013 at 4:25 pm 91.Billy Butcher said …

    The old argument, born from a baseless assumption, is more laughable and insulting to human intelligence than Dinesh D’sousa’s essay claiming atheism caused the Holocaust. Dr. Avalos, whom I now have no doubt is the most knoweledgeable and top debater on religion than anyone living or deceased ripped D’sousa into shreds so badly that I thought at one point I saw blood seeping from my PC. Apparently D.D. failed to do any research, which tells me he’s either psychotically arrogant or just a a simpleton. For instance he never mentions that the Vatican, Pope Pious XII, and the Catholic Church in general had been in an ongoing six century well concieved campaign of extreme anti-semitism. Or that Martin Luther, the father of protastantism, had made a 7 point pogrom on how to eliminate all Jews in 1384. No mention that Hitler was a devoted Roman Catholic, and never once mentioned Darwin or eugenics, which is to his credit for eugenics had been around for over a 1,000 years. In Hitlers Mein Kampf he never mentions atheism, but rather pepers his writings with doing the work of God by killing the Jews.
    Now, we have an even more insulting presumptuous hypothosis that the Bible is the creator of moral behavior. LOL!!!! Firstly, what an insult to all who lived before. They I suppose had no idea that murder and theft (well, those are the two laws we have today) were perfectly accepted prior to that ludicrous novel being distributed. I suppose we can thank the minions who ignore Edmund O. Wilson and the likes that as man populated and formed larger communities but survived quite well in an organized manor with a strict set of communal rules just as most higher mamals live by. Did they get their rules from reading the Bible? I only can tolerate imbecility to a point, but arrogant inanity is draing on a properly working brain. Now, we have to remain vigilant as more and more horses buts push creationism into public schools even though it’s been determined to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and many other judges presiding over what conservative Christian Judge John E. Jones III called unbelievably inanity. But once they violate the 1st Amendmant, and violate the establishment clause, we are in a war. I’ve been in touch with my local ACLU branch and the federal, and they are prepared and waiting for the kill. I’ll kill as many as necessary to maintain my constitutional rights over the spiritual delusions of the arrogant buffoons. Bang…Bang….you’re dead. Sounds fun and necessary.

  92. on 17 Mar 2013 at 9:27 pm 92.showme2 said …

    problem is, you people are trying to define GOD. nuff said , but continue with your frustration if you must. you’re going to experience this mortal existence then you’re going to die. you’re going to experience more than discomfort than you’d like. sorry if someone told you something else. after this we’ll experience something else. look up in the sky tonight. do some real scientific thinking for a change don’t just spout the words. you can’t seperate science from GOD. science is a product of GOD.

  93. on 25 Mar 2013 at 5:25 am 93.Adam said …

    proof:

    In 1890 Charles Wilbour discovered this boulder
    on the island of Sahal at the Nile, telling a story of Imhotep

    The annual Nile flood, which inundated surrounding fields every autumn before farmers sowed their seed, failed seven years in a row. Djoser asked Imhotep where the source of the river lay. The pharaoh intended to travel there to interrogate the river gods and beg them to show mercy on his people.

    “But Imhotep replied that sacred [God] books had given him the answer…. The floods returned, and the famine was over….

    “In about 1200 B.C., fully 1400 years after his death, Imhotep, the genius architect of Djoser’s reign, was deified by the Egyptians, who built cult temples to honor him.”

    For many years, Egyptologists had doubted that Imhotep had been a real person — they found it rather difficult to believe the various accomplishments credited to him in the accounts written over a thousand years after he was supposed to have lived. At times Imhotep has been termed the Leonardo da Vinci of ancient Egypt, but in fact he was more than that. Da Vinci gained the reputation of a genius — Imhotep was eventually elevated to the status of a god.
    In Egypt’s long list of gods, very few were ever actually living among them, but Imhotep did. Manetho wrote that “during his [Djoser of the 3rd Dynasty] reign lived Imouthes [i.e., Imhotep], who, because of his medical skill has the reputation of Asclepius [the Greek god of medicine] among the Egyptians and who was the inventor of the art of building with hewn stone.” It was this statement that caused the specialists to doubt the existence of a real man named Imhotep. But in 1926, the question was settled once and for all — Imhotep was a real man.
    When excavations were carried out at the Step Pyramid at Sakkara, fragments of a statue of

    pharaoh Djoser were found. The base was inscribed with the names of Djoser and of …
    • “Imhotep, Chancellor of the King of Lower Egypt, Chief under the King, Administrator of the Great Palace, Hereditary Lord, High Priest of Heliopolis, Imhotep the Builder, the Sculptor, the Maker of Stone Vases…”

    Inscription showing the name and titulary of Imhotep in the 3rd row to the left, and the Horus-name of Djoser. This inscription was found on the base of a sculpture of Djoser, thus indicating Imhotep was a real man, as opposed to a god.

    Inscription of the 7 Year Famine
    Joseph’s main position was that of a prime minister and Imhotep appears to be the first who could boast of such a broad range of authority in ancient Egypt. There are records of many, many viziers throughout Egyptian history- but the first evidence which connects Imhotep with Joseph is an amazing inscription found carved on a large rock on the island of Sihiel just below the First Cataract of the Nile. (photo at top of page)
    This inscription claims to be a copy of a document written by Djoser in the 18th year of his reign,- this copy being written over 1,000 years after the events it claims to be relating.
    It goes on to tell of a seven year famine and seven years of plenty. Let’s look at a few passages from this inscription and compare them with the biblical account, keeping in mind that this was written a millennium after the events it claims to be describing:
    • 1. The inscription begins with the great distress of the pharaoh: “I was in distress on the Great Throne…” The Bible: “And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled” GEN 41:8
    • 2. In the inscription, the pharaoh is troubled about a famine and asks Imhotep who the god of the Nile is, so he can approach him about the drought: “… I asked him who was the Chamberlain,…Imhotep, the son of Ptah… `What is the birthplace of the Nile? Who is the god there? Who is the god?'” Imhotep answers: “I need the guidance of Him who presides over the fowling net,…” The Bible: “And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace.” Genesis 41:16
    In the Egyptian text above, Imhotep is termed “the son of Ptah”, who was the Egyptian god known as the “creator” of everything else, including the other gods.
    • 3. In the inscription, Imhotep answers the pharaoh about the god of the Nile and tells him where he lives. In the Bible, Joseph interprets the pharaohs dream. But, the next part of the inscription tells that when the king slept, the Nile god Khnum, revealed himself to him in a dream and promised the Nile would pour forth her waters and the land would yield abundantly for seven years, after a seven year drought. This passage reflects the fact of a dream by the pharaoh of seven years of plenty and seven years of famine, although reversed.
    • 4. The inscription then goes on to record Djoser’s promise to the Nile god, Khnum, in which the people were to be taxed 1/10 of everything, except for the priests of the “house of the god,” who would be exempted. The Bible: “And Joseph made it a law over the land of Egypt unto this day, that Pharaoh should have the fifth part, except the land of the priests only, which became not Pharaoh’s.” Genesis 47:26
    So here we have an inscription which tells a story of pharaoh Djoser asking his vizier, Imhotep, to help him with the problem of a great seven year famine. Imhotep tells him he must consult the god because the answer is not in him. Then, the pharaoh dreams a dream which foretells the event. Next follow seven years of plenty, which is reverse from the Biblical account. The pharaoh levies a tax of 10% on all of the population except for the priesthood. The Biblical account tells of a 1/5, or 20% tax, with the priesthood exempt.

    “Imhotep, the Voice of the God, Im (I AM)”
    The name, Imhotep, in ancient Egyptian is translated to mean “the voice (or mouth) of Im”; however, there is no record of a god in Egypt called “Im”. But, we all know the God, “I AM”:
    • “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Exodus3:14
    • “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58
    God told Moses to tell the pharaoh that “I AM” had sent him because “I AM” was the name by which the Egyptians had known Joseph’s God. Could “Im” have been “I AM”?
    The Bible states the name that was given to Joseph by the pharaoh, Zaphenath-paneah. It has been translated by some to mean, “the God lives; the God speaks”. Since we do not fully understand the meaning of the Egyptian word “hotep,” it is quite possible that the translation of Imhotep (“The voice of I AM) is identical to the Biblical name of Joseph (“the God lives; the God speaks).

  94. on 25 Mar 2013 at 5:26 am 94.Adam said …

    proof 2:
    Anthropologists who study legends and folktales from different geographical locations and cultures consistently have reported one particular group of legends that is common to practically every civilization. Legends have surfaced in hundreds of cultures throughout the world that tell of a huge, catastrophic flood that destroyed most of mankind, and that was survived by only a few individuals and animals. Although most historians who have studied this matter estimate that these legends number into the 200s, according to evolutionary geologist Robert Schoch, “Noah is but one tale in a worldwide collection of at least 500 flood myths, which are the most widespread of all ancient myths and therefore can be considered among the oldest” (2003, p. 249, emp. added). Schoch went on to observe:
    Narratives of a massive inundation are found all over the world…. Stories of a great deluge are found on every inhabited continent and among a great many different language and culture groups (pp. 103,249).
    Over a century ago, the famous Canadian geologist, Sir William Dawson, wrote about how the record of the Flood
    is preserved in some of the oldest historical documents of several distinct races of men, and is indirectly corroborated by the whole tenor of the early history of most of the civilized races (1895, pp. 4ff.).
    Legends have been reported from nations such as China, Babylon, Mexico, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Persia, India, Norway, Wales, Ireland, Indonesia, Romania, etc.—composing a list that could go on for many pages (see Perloff, 1999, p. 167). Although the vast number of such legends is surprising, the similarity between much of their content is equally amazing. James Perloff noted:
    In 95 percent of the more than two hundred flood legends, the flood was worldwide; in 88 percent, a certain family was favored; in 70 percent, survival was by means of a boat; in 67 percent, animals were also saved; in 66 percent, the flood was due to the wickedness of man; in 66 percent, the survivors had been forewarned; in 57 percent, they ended up on a mountain; in 35 percent, birds were sent out from the boat; and in 9 percent, exactly eight people were spared (p. 168).

    AMERICAN INDIAN LEGENDS
    The Aztecs tell of a worldwide global flood in a story with striking parallels to the biblical deluge. “Only two people, the hero Coxcox and his wife, survived the flood by floating in a boat that came to rest on a mountain” (Schoch, p. 103). Then, soon after the flood, giants constructed a great pyramid in an endeavor to reach the clouds. Such ambition is said to have angered the gods, who scattered the giants with fire sent from the heavens (cf. Genesis 11:1-9).
    In the ancient land we now refer to as Mexico, one tribe of Indians, known as the Toltecs, told of a great flood. In their legend, a deluge destroyed the “first world” 1,716 years after it was created. Only a few people escaped this worldwide flood, and did so in a “toptlipetlocali” (a word that means “closed chest”). After these few people exited the closed chest, they wandered about the Earth, and found a place where they built a “zacuali” (a high tower) in case another flood came upon the Earth. At the time of the “zacuali,” the Toltecs’ languages were confused and they separated to different parts of the Earth.
    Another ancient tribe of Mexico told the story of a man named Tezpi who escaped the deluge in a boat that was filled with animals. Similar to Noah, who sent out a raven (a scavenger bird) that never returned, and a dove that came back with an olive leaf, “Tezpi released a vulture, which stayed away, gorging on cadavers. Then he let a hummingbird go, and it returned to him bearing a twig” (Schoch, p. 104).

    ANCIENT GREEK MYTHOLOGY
    According to the Greek legend of the deluge, humans became very wicked. Zeus, the leader of the many gods in Greek mythology, wanted to destroy humans by a flood, and then raise up another group. However, before he could do this, a man by the name of Deucalion, and his wife Pyrrha, were warned of the impending disaster. This fortunate couple was placed in a large wooden chest by one of the immortals named Prometheus. For nine days and nights, the floodwaters covered almost all of the Earth. Only a few mountain peaks remained. The wooden chest came to rest on the peak of Mount Parnassus. Later, after leaving the wooden chest, Deucalion sacrificed to Zeus.

    ANCIENT BABYLONIAN MYTHOLOGY
    Possibly the most famous flood account (aside from the biblical record of Noah and the Flood) comes from the ancient Babylonian empire. The Gilgamesh Epic, written on twelve clay tablets that date back to the seventh century B.C., tells of a hero named Gilgamesh. In his search for eternal life, Gilgamesh sought out Utnapishtim, a person who was granted eternal life because he saved a boatload of animals and humans during a great flood. On the eleventh tablet of this epic, a flood account is recorded that parallels the Genesis account in many areas. According to the story, the gods instructed Utnapishtim to build a boat because a terrible flood was coming. Utnapishtim built the boat, covered it with pitch, and put animals of all kinds on it, as well as certain provisions. After Utnapishtim entered the boat with his family, it rained for six days and nights. When the flood ended, the boat rested on Mount Niser. After seven days, Utnapishtim sent out a dove to see if the waters had receded. The dove came back, so he sent a swallow, which also returned. Finally, he sent out a raven—which never returned. Utnapishtim and his family finally exited the boat and sacrificed to their gods (see Roth, 1988, pp. 303-304).
    What is the significance of the various flood legends? The answer seems obvious: (a) we have well over 200 flood legends that tell of a great flood (and possibly more than 500—Schoch, p. 249); (b) many of the legends come from different ages and civilizations that could not possibly have copied any of the similar legends; (c) the legends were recorded long before any missionaries arrived to relate to them the Genesis account of Noah; and (d) almost all civilizations have some sort of flood legend. The conclusion to be drawn from such facts is that in the distant past, there was a colossal flood that forever affected the history of all civilizations.

    Harold W. Clark, in his volume, Fossils, Flood and Fire, commented:
    Preserved in the myths and legends of almost every people on the face of the globe is the memory of the great catastrophe. While myths may not have any scientific value, yet they are significant in indicating the fact that an impression was left in the minds of the races of mankind that could not be erased (1968, p. 45).

    In volume three of his multi-volume set, The Native Races of the Pacific Slope—Mythology, H.H. Bancroft wrote: “There never was a myth without a meaning; …there is not one of these stories, no matter how silly or absurd, which was not founded on fact” (1883).

    REFERENCES
    Bancroft, H.H. (1883), Works: The Native Races of the Pacific Slope—Mythology (San Francisco, CA: A.L. Bancroft).
    Clark, Harold W. (1968), Fossils, Flood and Fire (Escondido, CA: Outdoor Pictures).
    Dawson, John William (1895), The Historical Deluge in Relation to Scientific Discovery (Chicago, IL: Revell).
    Kearley, F. Furman (1979), “The Significance of the Genesis Flood,” Sound Doctrine, March/April.
    Perloff, James (1999), Tornado in a Junkyard: The Relentless Myth of Darwinism (Arlington, MA: Refuge Books).
    Rehwinkel, Alfred M. (1951), The Flood (St. Louis, MO: Concordia).
    Roth, Ariel (1988), Origins: Linking Science and Scripture (Hagerstown, MD: Review and Herald Publishing).
    Schoch, Robert M. (2003), Voyages of the Pyramid Builders (New York: Jeremy P. Parcher/Putnam).
    Wundt, William (1916), Elements of Folk Psychology, trans. Edward L. Schaub (New York: Macmillan).

  95. on 25 Mar 2013 at 5:27 am 95.Adam said …

    Proof 3:

    If the Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God, as it claims (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21), we would expect there to be some evidence supporting these claims. After all, just because something claims to be the word of God does not make it true. We will examine the testimony of historical evidence to ask, Does the evidence support or deny the internal claims of the Bible?
    Three tests can be applied to the Bible to see if it exhibits characteristics of a divine book that is without error. First, external evidence should confirm the truthfulness of the Bible in areas we can investigate. Second, internal evidence should show that, in one way or another, the Bible is unique. While these tests can establish the reliability of the Bible and lend support to the Bible’s claims, they cannot prove its inspiration. However, the third test, a brief overview of Bible prophecy, will actually serve to verify the claim of divine inspiration.
    The Testimony of History
    External evidence from both archaeology and non-Christian writers confirms that the Bible–both Old and New Testaments–is a trustworthy historical document. Archaeologist Joseph Free has said that “Archaeology has confirmed countless passages which had been rejected by critics as unhistorical or contrary to known facts.” [1] Renowned Jewish archaeologist Nelson Gluek confidently said that “It…may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible.” [2] Christian apologist Josh McDowell tells us that “After personally trying to shatter the historicity and validity of the Scriptures, I have come to the conclusion that they are historically trustworthy.” [3]
    Some scholars once said that Moses couldn’t have written the first five books of the Bible (as the Bible says) because writing was largely unknown in his day. Then, archaeology proved otherwise by the discovery of many other written codes of the period: the code of Hammurabi (ca. 1700 B.C.), the Lipit-Ishtar code (ca. 1860), and the Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1950 B.C.).
    Critics used to say that the biblical description of the Hittite Empire was wrong because the Hittite Empire (they thought) didn’t even exist! Then archaeologists discovered the Hittite capital in 1906 and discovered that the Hittite’s were actually a very vast and prominent civilization. Archaeological and linguistic evidence is increasingly pointing to a sixth-century B.C. date for the book of Daniel, in spite of the many critics who attempt to late-date Daniel and make it a prophecy after the detailed events it predicts.
    For the New Testament, Dr. G.R. Habermas points out that within 110 years of Christ’s crucifixion, approximately eighteen non-Christian sources mention more than “one hundred facts, beliefs, and teachings from the life of Christ and early Christendom. These items, I might add, mention almost every major detail of Jesus’ life, including miracles, the Resurrection, and His claims to deity.” [4] Sir William Ramsey, one of the greatest archeologists to ever live, demonstrated that Luke made no mistakes in references to 32 countries, 54 cities, and 9 islands.
    Liberal scholars used to argue that a town named Nazareth didn’t exist at the time of Jesus, until archaeology of the last few decades confirmed its existence. The Gospel’s portrayals of the temple, Pilate’s court, Jesus’ crown of thorns, and the mode of His execution have all also been confirmed. The list could go on and on. [See Section Archaeology and The Bible]
    The historical evidence clearly shows that the Bible is a reliable historical document. Since the Bible can be trusted in areas that we can check (its history), then this gives us a reason to trust it in areas that we cannot check (its claims for inspiration).

    The Uniqueness of the Bible
    The internal evidence test reveals the Bible’s amazing consistency. The Bible was written by over 40 authors, in 3 languages, on 3 continents, over a span of 1,500 years, and covers hundreds of controversial subjects. Yet, the authors all spoke with agreement; there are no contradictions. [5] From Genesis to Revelation, there is one unfolding story–God’s redemption of mankind.
    Bible Prophecy
    The external and internal evidence tests do not prove the Bible’s inspiration, but do reveal that the objective evidence is consistent with and supports the Bible’s claims to be a divine book (because any book from God that claims to be inerrant should be reliable and consistent with itself). Bible prophecy, however, can only be explained by divine revelation and inspiration.
    There are hundreds of specific prophecies in the Bible which have been literally fulfilled, in many cases centuries after the completion of the Bible. Any attempt to late-date these prophecies is impossible–there is a copy of every Old Testament book but one from before 150 BC, and hundreds of these prophecies were not fulfilled until centuries later. For a detailed discussion of this area, seeEvidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell.
    Some prophecies fulfilled by Jesus are Micah 5:2, which revealed where He would be born; Isaiah 53 detailed His suffering, work at the cross, and resurrection; Psalm 22 is striking prophecy of the crucifixion. [See Messianic Prophecy On THIS Page]
    Norman Geisler explains Ezekiel’s prediction that the city of Tyre “would be destroyed and its ruins cast into the sea (26:2). This provoked scoffing because, when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Tyre, he left the ruins right where they fell–on the land. But 200 years later, Alexander the Great attacked Tyre and the inhabitants withdrew to an island just off the coast for safety. In order to reach them, Alexander threw all of the debris, stones, timbers, dust, and everything else, into the sea to build a causeway that would reach the island.” [6] If events so far in the future can be accurately predicted, certainly the events of the past have been accurately recorded! [See Other Prophecies in The Bible]

    as the text of the Bible Been Altered Over the Centuries?
    One last test investigates whether or not the Bible has been corrupted down through the ages in its transmission. If it has been significantly changed, then it would not be relevant to us since inspiration does not extend to any manuscript copy. How can we know whether or not the Bible we have today is the same as what was written?
    This question is answered by the bibliographical test. This test looks at the number of existing manuscript copies there are, their agreement with each other concerning the text that they are copies of, and the time interval between these copies and the date of the original writing. All scholars agree that this test has conclusively established that the biblical text which we have now is nearly identical to what was originally recorded (for both Old and New Testaments). [See Reliability of Biblical Documents]
    The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date from 200 B.C. to A.D. 68, included a copy of every Old Testament book except for one. Comparison with the texts of a thousand years later shows little or no variation and change between them.
    Conclusion
    The historical evidence shows that the Bible can be trusted. The commonly held idea that the Bible is unreliable or “just a myth” is unfounded. The internal evidence reveals the uniqueness of the Bible, a uniqueness which would be difficult to explain if it was just a human book. These two tests give credibility to the Bible’s internal claims to be the word of God. The testimony of predictive prophecy, however, takes us a step further and confirms the Bible’s claims to be inspired by God. Finally, the Bible has not been changed through the ages. The evidence shows that there is good reason to believe in the Bible.
    Notes
    1. Joseph Free, Archaeology and Bible History (Wheaton, Illionis: Scripture Press, 1969), p. 1.
    2. Nelson Glueck, Rivers in the Desert (New York: Farar, Straus and Cudahy, 1959), p. 136.
    3. Josh McDowell, More Than a Carpenter (Wheaton, Illionois: Tyndale House Publishers, 1977), p. 57.
    4. Gary Habermas and Antony Flew, Did Jesus Rise From the Dead? (San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1987), p. 43.
    5. I have personally looked into the issue of alleged contradictions, and after thorough investigation, have never found one to hold. Norman Geisler, who has studied the Bible exhaustively for over forty years and been confronted with numerous dificulties, is of the same conclusion. A valuable resource for further investigation on this mater is Geisler’s When Critics Ask.
    6. Norman Geisler and Ronald Brooks, When Skeptics Ask (Wheaton, Illinois: Victor Books, 1990), p. 198.
    7. Sir Frederic Kenyon, The Bible and Archaeology (New York: Harper and Row, 1940), pp. 288, 289.

  96. on 21 Apr 2013 at 6:14 am 96.Marlon said …

    To the website maker

    If you consider there is no God then I shouldn’t give a crap about you or other people then.

    It wouldn’t make sense considering laws were mostly originated from the Judaism culture, hence it is all irrelevant. Judaism culture started from God when out of all odds evacuated Egypt. Why would Egypt let their production economy leave their country in disarray? Not even a civil war? Interesting.

    Heaven on Earth is a delusion. If there is no God then its every man for himself.

    If we are evolutionary creatures from apes who are creatures like any animal then its battle for survival.

    If I see you dying on the street but it would risk my own life to save yours, then I’ll opt to leave your sorry ass in the gutter as there is no God, there is nobody to judge me or send me to hell.

    It would make sense leaving your sorry ass from a morale point of view especially when we so happen to scientifically have our species extinct, I don’t think you would be useful as you would only diminish whatever hope most people might have. Logically in a group of people you would only diminish any sense of hope, hence logically you should be left behind or even killed off in a worse case scenario. I’m being objective here. A real utilitarian common sense. One death (assuming it is yours) to save a thousand is utilitarian point of view.

    If spirituality was dead, I don’t think there is any need of a moral compass. One man should just takeover the world with military might to prevent people from thinking anything otherwise to destroy the world out of their own greed or ambition. Democracy only breeds corruption technically as people are given the freedom to do whatever they want legally even though it might be bad or good.

    For there is no God that dictator won’t go to hell. In fact it is for the greater good that this would happen to assure our own survival. An iron fist will snuff corruption. You believe there is no God, then the survival of human kind is to have universal action to take care of the world, with an iron fist. Its for our own good don’t you think?

    You should stand up to your convictions anyway, possibly. Ironically if you were right and caused dissent with people who have a spiritual faith (which is quite a good number) you would be the cause of a low morale to the masses and I don’t know how you would bring people hope if we were faced something of an apocalyptic proportion. Logically speaking to rescue the thousands one must die (most likely someone that would cause more harm than good in terms of morale)

    Let’s hope Mother Nature doesn’t give up too soon that we are faced with annihilation. Coz you’d be the first person to be left in your own demise.

    From a evolutionary point of view have a nice death, coz that’ll be all you look forward to, no heaven or no hell. In your perception, that pretty much is all.

    I would like to hear what you think, I am only agreeing with you for the sake of arguments am trying to agree with you even though you would attempt to dismay people who have their lives saved by churches from suicide or depression, or drugs or whatever the Red Cross or community christian groups try to do to make an positive impact to the community rather than just rationalising their faith, they show through action & kindness. You undoing that would really benefit humanity am I right? It’s all about action, philosophy just shows what an egg head you are, and you have nothing left to offer than your tripe point of view.

    I am a scientist, my logical point of view is that you might be the cause of the bad thing that comes out of humanity. You being the destroyer of believing life, of hope, of beyond all odds that another person can get over your addiction or suicidal tendencies because of a Christian support group. If there is no God, your worth nothing, a wasted breath of air that other more worthy people should be breathing.

    Have a nice life mate, hope you live long enough to make a difference in the marginalised in society and humanity that you think you are saving (not).

  97. on 21 Apr 2013 at 6:15 am 97.Marlon said …

    To the website maker

    If you consider there is no God then I shouldn’t give a crap about you or other people then.

    It wouldn’t make sense considering laws were mostly originated from the Judaism culture, hence it is all irrelevant. Judaism culture started from God when out of all odds evacuated Egypt. Why would Egypt let their production economy leave their country in disarray? Not even a civil war? Interesting.

    Heaven on Earth is a delusion. If there is no God then its every man for himself.

    If we are evolutionary creatures from apes who are creatures like any animal then its battle for survival.

    If I see you dying on the street but it would risk my own life to save yours, then I’ll opt to leave your sorry ass in the gutter as there is no God, there is nobody to judge me or send me to hell.

    It would make sense leaving your sorry ass from a morale point of view especially when we so happen to scientifically have our species extinct, I don’t think you would be useful as you would only diminish whatever hope most people might have. Logically in a group of people you would only diminish any sense of hope, hence logically you should be left behind or even killed off in a worse case scenario. I’m being objective here. A real utilitarian common sense. One death (assuming it is yours) to save a thousand is utilitarian point of view.

    If spirituality was dead, I don’t think there is any need of a moral compass. One man should just takeover the world with military might to prevent people from thinking anything otherwise to destroy the world out of their own greed or ambition. Democracy only breeds corruption technically as people are given the freedom to do whatever they want legally even though it might be bad or good.

    For there is no God that dictator won’t go to hell. In fact it is for the greater good that this would happen to assure our own survival. An iron fist will snuff corruption. You believe there is no God, then the survival of human kind is to have universal action to take care of the world, with an iron fist. Its for our own good don’t you think?

    You should stand up to your convictions anyway, possibly. Ironically if you were right and caused dissent with people who have a spiritual faith (which is quite a good number) you would be the cause of a low morale to the masses and I don’t know how you would bring people hope if we were faced something of an apocalyptic proportion. Logically speaking to rescue the thousands one must die (most likely someone that would cause more harm than good in terms of morale)

    Let’s hope Mother Nature doesn’t give up too soon that we are faced with annihilation. Coz you’d be the first person to be left in your own demise.

    From a evolutionary point of view have a nice death, coz that’ll be all you look forward to, no heaven or no hell. In your perception, that pretty much is all.

    I would like to hear what you think, I am only agreeing with you for the sake of arguments am trying to agree with you even though you would attempt to dismay people who have their lives saved by churches from suicide or depression, or drugs or whatever the Red Cross or community christian groups try to do to make an positive impact to the community rather than just rationalising their faith, they show through action & kindness. You undoing that would really benefit humanity am I right? It’s all about action, philosophy just shows what an egg head you are, and you have nothing left to offer than your tripe point of view.

    I am a scientist, in my logical point of view you could be the cause of the bad thing that comes out of humanity, the destroyer of believing life, of hope, of beyond all odds a person can get over your addiction or suicidal tendencies. If there is no God, your worth nothing, a wasted breath of air that other more worthy people should be breathing.

    Have a nice life mate, hope you live long enough to make a difference in the marginalised in society and humanity that you think you are saving (not).

  98. on 21 Apr 2013 at 6:15 am 98.Marlon said …

    To the website maker

    If you consider there is no God then I shouldn’t give a crap about you or other people then.

    It wouldn’t make sense considering laws were mostly originated from the Judaism culture, hence it is all irrelevant. Judaism culture started from God when out of all odds evacuated Egypt. Why would Egypt let their production economy leave their country in disarray? Not even a civil war? Interesting.

    Heaven on Earth is a delusion. If there is no God then its every man for himself.

    If we are evolutionary creatures from apes who are creatures like any animal then its battle for survival.

    If I see you dying on the street but it would risk my own life to save yours, then I’ll opt to leave your sorry ass in the gutter as there is no God, there is nobody to judge me or send me to hell.

    It would make sense leaving your sorry ass from a morale point of view especially when we so happen to scientifically have our species extinct, I don’t think you would be useful as you would only diminish whatever hope most people might have. Logically in a group of people you would only diminish any sense of hope, hence logically you should be left behind or even killed off in a worse case scenario. I’m being objective here. A real utilitarian common sense. One death (assuming it is yours) to save a thousand is utilitarian point of view.

    If spirituality was dead, I don’t think there is any need of a moral compass. One man should just takeover the world with military might to prevent people from thinking anything otherwise to destroy the world out of their own greed or ambition. Democracy only breeds corruption technically as people are given the freedom to do whatever they want legally even though it might be bad or good.

    For there is no God that dictator won’t go to hell. In fact it is for the greater good that this would happen to assure our own survival. An iron fist will snuff corruption. You believe there is no God, then the survival of human kind is to have universal action to take care of the world, with an iron fist. Its for our own good don’t you think?

    You should stand up to your convictions anyway, possibly. Ironically if you were right and caused dissent with people who have a spiritual faith (which is quite a good number) you would be the cause of a low morale to the masses and I don’t know how you would bring people hope if we were faced something of an apocalyptic proportion. Logically speaking to rescue the thousands one must die (most likely someone that would cause more harm than good in terms of morale)

    Let’s hope Mother Nature doesn’t give up too soon that we are faced with annihilation. Coz you’d be the first person to be left in your own demise.

    From a evolutionary point of view have a nice death, coz that’ll be all you look forward to, no heaven or no hell. In your perception, that pretty much is all.

    I would like to hear what you think, I am only agreeing with you for the sake of arguments am trying to agree with you even though you would attempt to dismay people who have their lives saved by churches from suicide or depression, or drugs or whatever the Red Cross or community christian groups try to do to make an positive impact to the community rather than just rationalising their faith, they show through action & kindness. You undoing that would really benefit humanity am I right? It’s all about action, philosophy just shows what an egg head you are, and you have nothing left to offer than your tripe point of view.

    I am a scientist, my logical point of view technically your potentially the cause of the bad thing that comes out of humanity, the destroyer of believing life, of hope, of beyond all odds you can get over your addiction or suicidal tendencies. If there is no God, your worth nothing, a wasted breath of air that other more worthy people should be breathing.

    Have a nice life mate, hope you live long enough to make a difference in the marginalised in society and humanity that you think you are saving (not).

  99. on 21 Apr 2013 at 8:16 am 99.Fluttershy said …

    Ok…
    Now i am actually scared…
    You are saying that if the big G was proven to be false…you would act like animals and go on a senseless spree of criminal behaviour…
    Please visit a sink or have a prefrontal lobotomy…

  100. on 21 Apr 2013 at 12:16 pm 100.alex said …

    “If you consider there is no God then I shouldn’t give a crap about you or other people then.”

    go fuck yourself and quit fucking with atheists?

    “If there is no God then its every man for himself.”

    no shit, asshole. if there is no thor, then there are no lightning bols. you fucken moron.

    “If we are evolutionary creatures from apes..”

    says who? see the shit you’re bring here? i’ll stop because everyone can see what a dumbass you are.

  101. on 21 Apr 2013 at 2:57 pm 101.Fluttershy said …

    Alex, arent you scared that that christian will become a savage if he realises that god isnt real…?

  102. on 21 Apr 2013 at 3:08 pm 102.alex said …

    uhhm, they conduct religious wars, oppress women, homosexuals, other nationalities, other religions, and should I go on?

    a savage? au contraire mon fraire, once they realize, the world will be more civilized and caring. sure, there will always be assholes, but not because of their religion.

    what about the atheist this, atheist that, ape evolution, hitler, blah, blah? everybody knows, it’s crap. they think by constantly repeating it, it will become true. remember the church back then? the earth is the center of the universe, the earth is the center…

  103. on 21 Apr 2013 at 4:17 pm 103.Fluttershy said …

    Good point, they are already a scary religion :P

  104. on 13 May 2013 at 11:57 pm 104.Fr. James Rosselli said …

    How sad this all is! This poor man, invested with the dignity of the Image of God, and denying it; offered eternal life, free of the dimensional limitations that hold us back, here, and rejecting it; and made so bitter and empty in the process, he attempts to convince others to follow him, as if
    he could make something real by gathering enough advocates for it.

    Of couirse, prayer works! I have daily experience of it!

    Now, going before God and pretending to be His equal, going, “Okay, God, it says such-and-such here, so prove to me You’re real by doing it!” doesn’t work. We are not God’s equals, and for Him to respond to such a thing would be to enter into our self-created fantasy–when what He really wants is to draw us into Reality.

    Atheism is a trap. It is a sales job to convince us a shabby flophouse is a luxury hotel, a hoax that imposes on our life limits that don’t actually exist. It is nothing more than the angry insistence of our vanity and envy, a refusal to accept that there is anything greater than “Me.”

    An atheist is an unhappy man, living a resentful life and promising nothingness as something.

    A Christian is a happy man, living a joyful life even when he’s experiencing sorrow, and conveying God’s Promise of hope, a future, and a present reality that reveals itself as much more than anything we could create for ourselves.

    Why would we want to listen to anyone whose objective is to destroy our hope and embitter our lives, and deny us access to the beauty which is all around us, and the joy that comes from letting that beauty put us in touch with its–and our–Creator? Such a one is always talking about what “makes sense,” but honestly–what sense does
    that make?

    If you would like to discuss this further, you can write me at:

    fortunatelygodisreal@yahoo.com

    in Christ,

    Fr. Jim +

  105. on 14 May 2013 at 2:24 am 105.alex said …

    304.Fr. James Rosselli said …

    begone you dumb, friar, motherfucker. what makes you think your shit carries any more weight than the rest of the dipshits.

    eternal life? what a fucking joke. it goes hand in hand with that ultimate bullshit called redemption. atheists can see right thru your ruse, you transparent, righteous, bible thumping fuck. go! of course, you won’t be back, like the rest of the assholes.

    next, rollcall for the rest of the idiot socks.

  106. on 14 May 2013 at 2:44 am 106.Anonymous said …

    Jim, you come over as a very angry, bitter man, afraid of everything and anything that doesn’t fit into you delusional fairytale.

    Perhaps you would be better living a happy life rather than wasting this one afraid of eternal torment, afraid of finding out that you are wrong and – and this comes over in spades – desperately, fearfully afraid of someone taking away your “hope”.

    Perhaps if you substituted reality and a joy of living, you wouldn’t be so afraid of losing your “hope”.

    We all hope you can find happiness in what is left of your life. Giving up your desperate “hope” for the nonsense of eternal life might be a good start.

  107. on 14 May 2013 at 2:53 am 107.Anonymous said …

    BTW, if Christianity were true, you wouldn’t be living in hope you’d be wishing for this life to end so as to move to the next. Yet Christians cling to this one with the desperation of a drowning man snatching at a lifeboat.

    Your actions betray the falsity of your words.

  108. on 14 May 2013 at 10:36 am 108.Fluttershy said …

    ‘Of couirse, prayer works! I have daily experience of it!’

    No, it does not, amputees prove this.

    ‘An atheist is an unhappy man’

    I am an atheist, i am also happy (most of the time), your argument is invalid.

    ‘Atheism is a trap. It is a sales job to convince us a shabby flophouse is a luxury hotel, a hoax that imposes on our life limits that don’t actually exist. It is nothing more than the angry insistence of our vanity and envy, a refusal to accept that there is anything greater than “Me.”’

    Honestly, i dont know what to say, this sentence makes no sense at all…

    ‘Now, going before God and pretending to be His equal, going, “Okay, God, it says such-and-such here, so prove to me You’re real by doing it!”’

    in the bible it states many things, these things are impossible, and no matter how hard you try, will not happen, ever. This proves that he cannot do these things, and hence doesnt exist. If i had indefinite power, i would have designed a more efficient race and helped them do anything they liked, i would not want worship (a little would be nice ;P), just ask and i would do it. this makes me better than your god.

  109. on 14 May 2013 at 11:06 am 109.Anonymous said …

    Fluttershy, the fact that you are not the sadistic, sociopathic, genocidal, capricious monster with low self-esteem that is Yahweh of the bible, makes you considerably better than his impotent god.

  110. on 14 May 2013 at 11:38 am 110.Fluttershy said …

    exactly this.

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