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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 24 Nov 2012 12:21 am

Paul Krugman describes the insanity of religion – Religion requires its followers to reject evidence

A great essay from Paul Krugman that zeros in on the insanity of religion:

Krugman: Rubio denies reality

The quotes in this article are priceless:

Like striated rock beds that speak of deep time, [Rubio's] inability to acknowledge scientific evidence speaks of the anti-rational mindset that has taken over his political party.

What was Rubio’s complaint about science teaching? That it might undermine children’s faith in what their parents told them to believe. And right there you have the modern GOP’s attitude, not just toward biology, but toward everything: If evidence seems to contradict faith, suppress the evidence.

The most obvious example other than evolution is man-made climate change. As the evidence for a warming planet becomes ever stronger — and ever scarier — the GOP has buried deeper into denial, into assertions that the whole thing is a hoax concocted by a vast conspiracy of scientists. And this denial has been accompanied by frantic efforts to silence and punish anyone reporting the inconvenient facts.

Coming into the recent election, state-level polling clearly pointed to an Obama victory — yet more or less the whole Republican Party refused to acknowledge this reality. Instead, pundits and politicians alike fiercely denied the numbers and personally attacked anyone pointing out the obvious; the demonizing of The Times’ Nate Silver, in particular, was remarkable to behold.

His article closes with an indictment of Republicans and Christians:

We are, after all, living in an era when science plays a crucial economic role. How are we going to search effectively for natural resources if schools trying to teach modern geology must give equal time to claims that the world is only 6,000 years old? How are we going to stay competitive in biotechnology if biology classes avoid any material that might offend creationists?

And then there’s the matter of using evidence to shape economic policy. You may have read about the recent study from the Congressional Research Service finding no empirical support for the dogma that cutting taxes on the wealthy leads to higher economic growth. How did Republicans respond? By suppressing the report.

On economics, as in hard science, modern conservatives don’t want to hear anything challenging their preconceptions — and they don’t want anyone else to hear about it, either.

So don’t shrug off Rubio’s awkward moment. His inability to deal with geological evidence was symptomatic of a much broader problem — one that may, in the end, set America on a path of inexorable decline.

Republicans and Christians have become a national embarrassment to the United States and they “set America on a path of inexorable decline” both scientifically and economically. This article demonstrates how badly Republican economic policies have hit all working Americans:

Why you shouldn’t shop at Wal-mart on Friday

A half century ago America’s largest private-sector employer was General Motors, whose full-time workers earned an average hourly wage of around $50, in today’s dollars, including health and pension benefits.

Today, America’s largest employer is Walmart, whose average employee earns $8.81 an hour. A third of Walmart’s employees work less than 28 hours per week and don’t qualify for benefits.

Republicans, which is to say Christians, are willfully destroying the lives of American workers.

66 Responses to “Paul Krugman describes the insanity of religion – Religion requires its followers to reject evidence”

  1. on 24 Nov 2012 at 1:34 pm 1.Asher said …

    “Like striated rock beds that speak of deep time,”

    Rocks don’t speak. Men attempt to interpret.

    “the evidence for a warming planet becomes ever stronger — and ever scarier — the GOP has buried deeper into denial, into assertions that the whole thing is a hoax”

    Just like the lat 70′s global cooling scare? Where has that gone? Global Warming is no more than a scare to gain money and power. The evidence is clear.

    “We are, after all, living in an era when science plays a crucial economic role.”

    Science yes like semiconductors, electricity and technology. Not the age of the earth or Global Warming stupidity. Most important for the economy is one where the environment is friendly to SBOs and those who can create jobs. Unfortunately the DNC will not provide such a environment.

    “Today, America’s largest employer is Walmart, whose average employee earns $8.81 an hour.”

    See above for why corporations and SBOs are shrinking. If you want a job making more money then equip yourself with an education to do more. Cashier is not a high paying job. The largest employer at the moment is the unemployment coffer.

  2. on 24 Nov 2012 at 2:23 pm 2.MrQ said …

    From Asher

    Rocks don’t speak. Men attempt to interpret.

    Applies equally to gods. Men attempt to interpret since gods do not speak. Hence the multitude of mono and poly theistic belief systems.

    Do you find it amazing that there is more consensus on the rocks than there is on the god? Most people think the Earth is billions of years old. Occasionally some nutbar fundie claims it is only 6000 years old (because the bible says so) and also believe the STORY of Noah’s ark is literally true. Which camp are you in, Ash? Young Earth and ark OR billions of years old Earth?

  3. on 24 Nov 2012 at 4:05 pm 3.Lou(DFW) said …

    1.Asher said …

    “Rocks don’t speak. Men attempt to interpret.”

    OK, then do men interpret the bible or are its words literal?

    “Global Warming is no more than a scare to gain money and power. The evidence is clear.”

    Do you deny that the icecaps aren’t melting?

    Two simple questions for you…

  4. on 24 Nov 2012 at 4:34 pm 4.The messenger said …

    There is no evidence that contradicts Jesus’s existence.

    Jesus is real.

  5. on 24 Nov 2012 at 6:27 pm 5.A said …

    Thelma-Lou

    This thread is about Paul Krugman’s article. Please refrain from trolling.

    Paul Krugman is a far left lunatic liberal. Anything he says is pretty much irrelevant other than to the nutties who hang on his every word. Unfortunately for Paul, his extreme partisanship clouds his view on economics. I read the GQ article. I can only garner from Paul’s analysis he is now indulging in finding ghosts that do not exist.

    The great question from GQ. Mr. Rubio how old is the earth?

    Answer: Who cares? Mr. Rubio is a politician. The bigger question how big is the deficit and how big is the unemployment number and how will we lower these numbers?

    Follow up: Will you investigate why we have 4 dead Americans in Benghazi?

    Paul, I hope you read these relevant questions.

    Wal-Mart

    Thomas: Who is making these people work at Wal-Mart? They are free to move on to 100K plus positions any time they desire. It’s one of America’s great attributes.

  6. on 24 Nov 2012 at 6:29 pm 6.A said …

    Thelma-Lou

    Did you mean “Do you deny the ice caps are melting?”

    Was that your BIG question for Asher?

    LOL!!

  7. on 24 Nov 2012 at 9:49 pm 7.Lou(DFW) said …

    6.ASS said …

    “Was that your BIG question for Asher?”

    LOL! ASS already stepped-in to sock-puppet for his ASSER moniker inorder to avoid the answering two simple questions.

  8. on 24 Nov 2012 at 11:19 pm 8.Doug said …

    “Do you deny that the icecaps aren’t melting?”

    I have no idea what lou is asking. Do I deny the not or deny the melting? Nobody denies the world is in a bit of a warming phase. What we don’t buy is that man is causing the natural warming/cooling phases the earth has gone through since her birth. We see it even in the little bit of history we have. The advocates have been rebuffed by many scientist who have shown this just to be another political and power grab for the politicians. The Climategate of about 5 years ago exposed Gore and he has gone silent. On to another cause to get back in the headlines.

    If Republicans and Christians have become an embarrassment, does that mean the blogmaster acknowledges President Obama is an embarrassment?

  9. on 25 Nov 2012 at 1:31 am 9.Lou(DFW) said …

    8.Doug said …

    “Nobody denies the world is in a bit of a warming phase. What we don’t buy is that man is causing the natural warming/cooling phases the earth has gone through since her birth.”

    First of all, I asked ASSER a simple question. Can’t he answer it without the enlistment of sock-puppets?

    Second, I didn’t mention the cause – man-made or natural.

    Last, in effect, he denied global warming – “Global Warming is no more than a scare to gain money and power.”

    Personally, I really don’t care whether or not he accepts it. But why is it he and his sock-puppets can chime-in on everything except for providing evidence for his imaginary god? Simple – he’s a lying, coward, fraud.

  10. on 25 Nov 2012 at 2:07 am 10.Lou said …

    “Paul Krugman describes the insanity of religion – Religion requires its followers to reject evidence”

    I read Krugman’s article and didn’t see a thing about religion in it. Thomas what are you smoking these days?

    Krugman goes on to speak of science and the economy. Here is some reality: the problem with the economy is not global warming, religion or science.

  11. on 25 Nov 2012 at 1:58 pm 11.Lou(DFW) said …

    10.Louser said …

    “I read Krugman’s article and didn’t see a thing about religion in it. Thomas what are you smoking these days?”

    He wrote “What was Rubio’s complaint about science teaching? That it might undermine children’s faith in what their parents told them to believe. And right there you have the modern GOP’s attitude, not just toward biology, but toward everything: If evidence seems to contradict faith, suppress the evidence.”

    “Here is some reality:” there’s no evidence at all, none, nada, zip, for your imaginary god.

  12. on 25 Nov 2012 at 2:01 pm 12.Lou(DFW) said …

    8.Doug said …

    “What we don’t buy is that man is causing the natural warming/cooling phases the earth has gone through since her birth.”

    Really, Doug? When was “her birth?” When did your imaginary god give “birth” to the earth, and why does he require it to go through “warming/cooling phases?”

    Or do you not believe in god?

  13. on 25 Nov 2012 at 2:33 pm 13.Anonymous said …

    The article deals with the religious desire to favor the ramblings of a bunch of uneducated desert dwellers from a couple of thousand years ago, in preference to a modern-day understanding of the universe that we live in.

    That the theists here try to divert the conversation onto particular examples and complain about semantics rather than address the insanity of their position shows, again, how desperate they are to avoid the actual conversation.

    So, let’s hear it from you. Theists, start at the beginning. Show us the proof that your god exists. Let’s start there.

  14. on 25 Nov 2012 at 3:23 pm 14.Severin said …

    9 Lou(DFW)
    “Personally, I really don’t care whether or not he accepts it.”

    Personally, I do, because I, and my children, and their children (and everybody’s children and grandchildren), have no spare planet, and can’t move out of this planet if it fails, and I don’t like to share my planet with irresponsible people who will contribute its ruining by their negligence (not doing necessary steps). It does not cost much, and soon, if we dind out that we DO contribute warming, it might be just a little bit too late.

    I do NOT categorically claim that warmin is caused by people’s activities. But before we find a way to collectively leave the planet, I prefer to be cautious and to do my best to keep the planet in satisfactory condition.
    I call it responsibility, and I AM doing my (small) best to prevent catastrophic scenario, say, in 100 years from now.
    I expect it from other people on the planet, too.

  15. on 25 Nov 2012 at 6:21 pm 15.Suh said …

    “It does not cost much, and soon, if we dind out that we DO contribute warming, it might be just a little bit too late.”

    Severin

    Individually it does not cost much. Maybe in your nation and nations like China and Russia it costs nothing since they do nothing. In the US it costs companies a small fortune for ridiculous standards they must maintain. Then these companies must compete with Russia and China. This is the part where the “manmade” global warming is used to keep power and money in the hands of governments. In the US we cannot even build nuclear plants or produce our own oil due to extensive regulations but we will pay other nations to produce the oil as if that makes a difference to the planet.

  16. on 25 Nov 2012 at 7:17 pm 16.Lou(DFW) said …

    14.Severin said …

    9 Lou(DFW)
    “Personally, I really don’t care whether or not he accepts it.”

    “Personally, I do…”

    In the context of this discussion, it’s irrelevant as to whether or not he accepts it.

  17. on 25 Nov 2012 at 7:29 pm 17.Lou(DFW) said …

    15.Duh said …

    “In the US we cannot even build nuclear plants or produce our own oil due to extensive regulations but we will pay other nations to produce the oil as if that makes a difference to the planet.”

    Thanks, Duh. You just demonstrated that you are nothing but a troll whose comments we can summarily dismiss and ignore.

    Or do you have any evidence for your imaginary god?

  18. on 25 Nov 2012 at 8:32 pm 18.LL said …

    “the evidence for a warming planet becomes ever stronger — and ever scarier — the GOP has buried deeper into denial, into assertions that the whole thing is a hoax”

    It is sad the atheists live in such fear. You should be scared. See how tensions are building around Israel and how much of the world is against Israel? This world is going out with another bang eventually and you don’t know the God who has predicted that is how it would end.

  19. on 25 Nov 2012 at 11:31 pm 19.Lou(DFW) said …

    18.LL said …

    “It is sad the atheists live in such fear.”

    The only fear I “live in” is of nut-case theists such as yourself.

    What is sad is that nut-case theists such as yourself must rely on the belief in an imaginary god as an alternative to reality.

  20. on 25 Nov 2012 at 11:50 pm 20.The messenger said …

    The idiotic troll liberal atheists of this country have destroyed our government and are killing our country.

    The founding fathers are looking down from heaven right now and are ashamed of us.

  21. on 26 Nov 2012 at 12:15 am 21.The messenger said …

    Brother 12.Lou(DFW), you are such an idiot.

    When brother Doug said Earth’s birth he meant when the earth was created.

    How hard is it for you to understand this one simple thing..

  22. on 26 Nov 2012 at 11:58 am 22.Lou(DFW) said …

    21.The messenger said …

    “When brother Doug said Earth’s birth he meant when the earth was created.”

    Why do you think I enclosed those words inside quotation marks?

    “How hard is it for you to understand this one simple thing..”

    It’s not at all “hard” to understand. But why is it “hard” for you to understand how quotation marks are used? English is obviously NOT your native language.

  23. on 26 Nov 2012 at 7:39 pm 23.Lou(DFW) said …

    20.The messenger said …

    “The idiotic troll liberal atheists of this country have destroyed our government and are killing our country.”

    “[T]roll liberal atheists?” But not those liberal atheists who aren’t online?

    Do you EVER consider the stupidity of your comments before you post them?

  24. on 26 Nov 2012 at 8:34 pm 24.The messenger said …

    22.Lou(DFW) so what?

    Who cares if I made a small punctuation error, I am only human, I make mistakes.

  25. on 26 Nov 2012 at 9:07 pm 25.Scourge said …

    18. LL ” See how tensions are building around Israel and how much of the world is against Israel?” Those of the world who are against Israel are against Israel for similar and much better reasons than the reasons South Africa was held in such scorn.

    15. Suh Anyone who doubts that Global Warming is a fact, and that it is not caused by humans is at best a fool, or much worse and destructive, a fundamentalist Christian. For starters idiot, we do not pay countries to “make” oil. Oil forms in sedimentary basins over periods of time much longer than 6000 years. Humans now extract that oil using various technologies.

  26. on 26 Nov 2012 at 9:09 pm 26.Scourge said …

    21 messenger Damned fool- Concurrent with the Reagan tax cuts the deficit exploded (3x increase in national debt under Reagan) and infrastructure has declined ever since. If you are interested in learning something, look at the NYTimes editorials from Bruce Rattner and Warren Buffett today. That is the reality.

  27. on 26 Nov 2012 at 9:25 pm 27.Lou(DFW) said …

    24.Scourge said …

    “Oil forms in sedimentary basins over periods of time much longer than 6000 years.”

    LOL! Everybody knows that god placed oil in the rocks for us, thousands of years later, to learn to extract and distill into a pollution forming energy source, while burning it to cause global warning – it’s all part of “god’s plan!” :>)

  28. on 26 Nov 2012 at 10:01 pm 28.A said …

    Thelma-Lou this blog is about Paul Krugman’s comments not how oil got in rocks.

    Scourge you are so amusing. The Obama administration PAYS Brazil and China to drill for oil so they can turn around and sell it to us. Why? He can keep America hostage to his Arab buddies. Second, now he can claim he is keeping his pledge to the Environmental nut-jobs. They buy it since they are about as bright as you.

    If climate-change is manmade then prove it. Right here on this thread prove climate-change is manmade and not a natural phenomonea. You NEVER EVER prove this supposed manmade process. LOL!!

    Your antisemitism is showing scorn. Of course, we knew that since you are must certainly a far-left whack job.

  29. on 26 Nov 2012 at 10:23 pm 29.Lou(DFW) said …

    28.ASS said …

    “Thelma-Lou this blog is about Paul Krugman’s comments not how oil got in rocks.”

    Actually, I wasn’t the one who introduced oil to the thread, your fellow theist, Duh, did.

    After that admonishment, and because he can’t control his President Obama OCD, ASS has the nerve to comment “The Obama administration PAYS Brazil and China to drill for oil so they can turn around and sell it to us.”

    This “blog” is not about how “The Obama administration PAYS Brazil and China to drill for oil.” But just for grins, please provide your evidence for that claim. I’m sure that you have that in-hand just as you have evidence for your imaginary god. LOL!

    Queue ASS’ fellow sock-puppet(s) to chime-in to agree with and support ASS.

  30. on 26 Nov 2012 at 10:30 pm 30.Lou(DFW) said …

    24.The messenger, in a dazzling display of stupidity said …

    “22.Lou(DFW) so what?
    Who cares if I made a small punctuation error,”

    Dummy, I didn’t write that you made any punctuation error. I said that you don’t understand their usage – in this case, MY usage of them.

    “I am only human, I make mistakes.”

    As you demonstrate with unceasing regularity.

    So is it’s possible that don’t actually speak to god, but only are deluded like “brother” Pat Roberson – who claimed that god told him Romney would win the Presidential election?

  31. on 27 Nov 2012 at 11:05 am 31.RevWillyNilly said …

    “30.Lou(DFW) said …

    So is it’s possible that don’t actually speak to god…”

    I love seeing stuff like this from people who constantly nitpick grammar and punctuation.

    Ease up, Lou… Everyone makes mistakes.

  32. on 27 Nov 2012 at 2:03 pm 32.Lou(DFW) said …

    31.RevWillyNilly said …

    “I love seeing stuff like this from people…”

    Yes, I hurriedly posted that comment, and in my haste to edit it, I made a C&P mistake. But I’m glad that you enjoyed it rather than contributing anything of substance to the discussion.

    “Ease up, Lou… Everyone makes mistakes.”

    Especially when they claim to speak to/for god. I noticed you didn’t address that, but would rather falsely claim that I “constantly nitpick grammar and punctuation.”

    Now, back to the point – is it possible, or most probably completely true, that messenger is simply deluded, as is Pat Robertson, when they claim to hear from and speak for god? Or do you believe that they do?

  33. on 27 Nov 2012 at 4:34 pm 33.Lou(DFW) said …

    3.Lou(DFW) said …

    1.Asher said …

    “Rocks don’t speak. Men attempt to interpret.”

    OK, then do men interpret the bible or are its words literal?

    “Global Warming is no more than a scare to gain money and power. The evidence is clear.”

    Do you deny that the icecaps aren’t melting?

    Two simple questions for you…”

    As usual, the coward ASSER doesn’t answer.

  34. on 27 Nov 2012 at 7:41 pm 34.RevWillyNilly said …

    “32.Lou(DFW) said …

    I noticed you didn’t address that, but would rather falsely claim that I ‘constantly nitpick grammar and punctuation.’”

    Falsely claim? You’re constantly quoting people and adding “SIC” just so you can point out their spelling and grammar errors. I’ve followed this blog for a while now, so I’m well aware of what you do. I’m actually on your side of the God argument, but your tactics are incredibly petty.

    Messenger’s delusion speaks for itself. There’s no need to point out his stupid writing mistakes.

  35. on 27 Nov 2012 at 7:53 pm 35.Lou(DFW) said …

    34.RevWillyNilly said …

    “Messenger’s delusion speaks for itself.”

    Then wouldn’t you agree that the delusion of all theists speaks for itself?

    “There’s no need to point out his stupid writing mistakes.”

    It seems that a spokesman for god wouldn’t have those. Just say’n…

    “…your tactics are incredibly petty.”

    Tactics? Actually, no tactics are required. The fact that none of them ever offer any evidence for their imaginary god is the strongest demonstration for the weakness of their claim.

    However, disputing their numerous, idiot diversions really only requires them to support those claims as well. But exactly as with their god claim, they never do.

  36. on 29 Nov 2012 at 2:33 pm 36.Anti-Theist said …

    I’ve followed this blog for several years. If Mr nilly has as well he knows theres no point in posting anything at all unless for pure entertainment purposes. Some are longer than others but this sites topics / arguments repeat themselves in cycles. So if a patron is playing “(sic)” jockey today its probably a phase that may repeated itself in a year or two. Your hear like the rest of us, for entertainment. Don’t judge.

  37. on 29 Nov 2012 at 2:34 pm 37.Anti-Theist said …

    Oops, I meant “here” didn’t I?

  38. on 30 Nov 2012 at 3:43 am 38.The messenger said …

    Brother 32.Lou(DFW), I know that you did not state that I made a punctuation error in your comment, but in previous comment you have.

    I was simply egnologing that I made a mistake and that making mistakes is just a part of bieng human.

  39. on 30 Nov 2012 at 3:45 am 39.The messenger said …

    35.Lou(DFW) just how stupid are you?

  40. on 30 Nov 2012 at 3:59 am 40.The messenger said …

    Brother 35.Lou(DFW), do you want to know what the differences is between Christians, Jews and Athiests?

    The differences are, Christians and Jews live the way God wants us to live. God wants us to live kind, compassionate, forgiving, genorus lives.

    Many Athiests do not live that way. They do not care about the poor or the sick people, Athiests are extremely self centered, doubtful, dilisional people. They fail to see the good in God and they fail to live by his laws.

    The Ten Commandments.

    http://www.rwf2000.com/gifs/10-God-Man.jpg

  41. on 30 Nov 2012 at 4:16 am 41.Lou(DFW) said …

    38.The messenger said …

    “I was simply egnologing that I made a mistake and that making mistakes is just a part of bieng human.”

    As you continue to demonstrate with astonishing regularity. However, part of being human is learning from mistakes. In that process, you fail miserably.

    Happy, Willy Nilly? No [sic]s.

  42. on 30 Nov 2012 at 4:41 am 42.The messenger said …

    41.Lou(DFW) I have done extremely well at learning from my mistakes.

  43. on 30 Nov 2012 at 4:24 pm 43.Lou(DFW) said …

    42.The messenger said …

    “41.Lou(DFW) I have done extremely well at learning from my mistakes.”

    Then The messenger mindlessly C&P …

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=2457#comment-42809

  44. on 30 Nov 2012 at 11:48 pm 44.The messenger said …

    43.Lou(DFW), tell me brother, what mistake did I make I that comment?

  45. on 30 Nov 2012 at 11:51 pm 45.The messenger said …

    43.Lou(DFW) You have made grammar mistakes before.

  46. on 30 Nov 2012 at 11:54 pm 46.The messenger said …

    on 30 Nov 2012 at 11:51 pm 45.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    43.Lou(DFW), you have made grammar mistakes before.

  47. on 01 Dec 2012 at 1:56 pm 47.Lou(DFW) said …

    45.The messenger said …

    “43.Lou(DFW) You have made grammar mistakes before.”

    You really don’t ever get it, do you?

    First of all, in #43. I wasn’t referring to any “grammar mistakes” – none whatsoever. You have a reading comprehension problem.

    Second, I don’t make anywhere near the amount of grammar mistakes that you make.

    Finally, you missed the entire point about your mistakes, grammar or otherwise – you claim to be a messenger of god, I don’t. You are either a nut or god is competent. I have absolutely no doubt that it’s the former.

  48. on 01 Dec 2012 at 6:50 pm 48.Curmudgeon said …

    Mess, Nobody makes more mistakes or as vile comments as slex, the key atheist spokesman here. Also as Lou pointed out God is competent.

  49. on 01 Dec 2012 at 8:23 pm 49.The messenger said …

    48.Curmudgeon thankyou brother.

  50. on 01 Dec 2012 at 11:38 pm 50.alex said …

    “Nobody makes more mistakes or as vile comments as slex, the key atheist spokesman here..”

    Curm, you are an idiot troll. There’s no fucking spokesman, you moron. Atheists and I don’t believe in your bullshit god. I don’t represent nor do atheists represent me, you fuck. You and I don’t believe in fairies, do we? Am I your spokesman? No, you moron.

    I’ve already admitted, I’m the most flawed person here. So what? Me being flawed is your god proof? Get the fuck out of here with your recycled shit. You will die and that’s it. Wah, motherfucker.

  51. on 02 Dec 2012 at 12:54 am 51.Curmudgeon said …

    alex you stated “I’m the most flawed person here. So what?”

    I don’t know so what. Lou seems to have issues with flawed people. I don’t have any problems with flaws. Vileness and crassness are choices you have made. Thank you for how you represent atheism.

  52. on 02 Dec 2012 at 1:15 am 52.alex said …

    “Thank you for how you represent atheism.”

    Since we both represent aMuslimism, here’s what we both do. We tolerate gays, minorities, and transexuals. We both treat women as equals. We both think Jesus & Allah are bullshit. We believe global warming is man made. We both believe in secular religion. Did I leave out anything? Oh, we both eat pork and we both love porn.

  53. on 02 Dec 2012 at 2:49 am 53.Anonymous said …

    Alex, look at it this way. Curm’s response when you ask the obvious that he prove that his all-powerful supernatural friend is real, is to to post as multiple people in order to provide cover for his self-destructive anger. If not that, then he runs away. He’s an internet bully who isn’t up to the task in real life.

    What he never does is take the initiative and provide an answer. His diversions don’t deserve answers. His taunts, insults, and lies are obvious for all to see – no one of consequence would believe them. You wouldn’t lower yourself to engage someone exhibiting such behavior on the street, so, so why do it on the internet?

  54. on 02 Dec 2012 at 2:55 am 54.alex said …

    “You wouldn’t lower yourself to engage someone exhibiting such behavior on the street, so, so why do it on the internet?”

    too many jalapenos on my taco?

  55. on 02 Dec 2012 at 8:22 am 55.Anonymous said …

    Hi im a 13 year old and I am a follower of Christ.
    First off, don’t think I’ve been fed all of this from my family. I have been researching for a long time over this subject.
    Secondly, I’ll be honest that this comment will have nothing to do with the text taken from the pamphlet that “proves” God is not real.
    Also as I already told you I am a Christian. You may think Im poisoning your blog but just hear me out for this just once and read it. I wrote this to show you that a lot of your “proven” points disproving God cannot be scientifically proven and in my opinion, they are false. In the website connected to this blog, there are 50 points that “disprove” God. the first basically says that God lies about answering prayers. I firmly believe that this is false. My example goes like this: suppose you are in your 30’s to 40’s and either of your parents is dying or will die soon. First: where will they go after they die? Will they just go blank, their personality, mind, memories, and consiousness gone, popped into thin air? Never to be seen again? Well that sucks, doesn’t it? Think about it: You will go through the same thing. Maybe it will hurt. A lot. More pain than anyone has ever experienced. Then you pop out of existence. Doesn’t that scare you? It sure did to me. Believing in God and at least having what your mind tells you is a loving relationship with Him at least gives you hope. I’d rather have false hope than no hope at all. But back to praying, the results of praying are more often than not very gradual and are sometimes hard to notice. If you pray for your almost to the point of dying parent to become a christian, they may never accept Christ until they are about to die or they may never accept Christ. It’s their decision, ultimately. Abraham, in Genesis, was told by God he would have an heir from his own body with Sarah when he was about 75. He had to wait until he was about 99 for Sarah to give birth to Isaac. It’s a test of faith; thats another reason for prayer. It either builds up your trust in God or if you don’t see results immediately, you just pack your bags and leave. Also, in “Proof” #1, your example was asking God ONCE to cure everyone of cancer is absurd: first off, its putting God to the test; something Jesus direclty told us NOT to do after he fasted for 40 days in the desert and was being challenged into sinning by Satan, and also I don’t believe it really is God’s will that directly influences EVERYTHING. Look at the fall of man, which is the first sin committed by Adam and Eve in the Gardden of Eden: after Eve and Adam ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, they caused the entire world to be cursed: the ground was hard to work, thorns and diseases came into being, and disasters actually began to strike. It looks like God is punishing them, but He isn’t. You have to remember, before the first sin, Adam and Eve were like very young children, they did not know between good and evil. God told them they could do anything they wanted as long as they didn’t eat from one tree. Pretty simple right? Well they allowed themselves to be tricked into eating the fruit by Satan, and yes, it was their fault. they started the curses, including cancer. God doesn’t like us being sick with cancer, but he allows it because we did it to ourselves. He is not punishing us. He created a perfect world that we made imperfect, and he does not control the flow of diseases, like he does not control the orbit of the earth. Back to my example of you praying for a parent to become a christian, it istheir choice to accept Jesus, not God’s. God allows us to have choices: just like the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Een. He does not want us to be mindless robots; He understands we value fairness so much and respects that. He gives us a choice between right and wrong no matter what. Maybe that dying family member will accept Jesus. In fact, Charles Darwin, the man famous for “discovering” evolution, on his deathbed rejected his entire work on the subject. What does this mean???? Anyway, I believe that in most cases God’s will is irrelevent to most situations. This is coming from a Christian! Also you said there is no scientific evidence. You are right. You probably think that my faith is kinda like believing in alternate universes. There is no scientific proof. Maybe black holes, but since no one can go to a black hole, you will never know. With God, the closest thing to evidence is how much Christianity has influenced the world. a 7th of the world’s population says that they are Christians and just because one man died from a common Roman execution for criminals, the course of history has been changed many times. Not bad for a guy that died around age 30, is it? The closest thing to scientific evidence is Christianity’s influence. Once again, look at history. Yeah.

    Sorry that this was so long, but God IS REAL!!! Its not about just praying and following the rules; its about a loving relationship with someone like no other that you get to spend the rest of your life with. Its not about escaping hell, its about loving Jesus because of who he is, what he did, and his unending love for us!!!

    Please, take the time to at least watch the movie The Passion of the Christ. At least a five minute clip on youtube when he’s on the cross. And if you want to continue, pray to Him. ask him if you can be in a relationship with him. Trust me: he never leaves anyone out! Then, read a gospel and join a church! (I prefer non-denominational) Thank you for reading this entire thing and sorry that its so long just think about what I said please.

    Thanks so much! God bless you all! Jesus loves you

  56. on 02 Dec 2012 at 2:19 pm 56.Lou(DFW) said …

    48.Crum said …

    “Mess, Nobody makes more mistakes or as vile comments as slex…”

    Who is “slex?” (Was that a typo?)

    “the key atheist spokesman here.”

    Which of your sock-puppets is the “key” theist spokesman here? Or is it Messy? He claims to be god’s spokesman. And now that I noted that the sock-puppets don’t interact with Messy, suddenly they do.

    “Also as Lou pointed out God is competent.”

    Obviously, that was my typo. And apparently your position is so weak that you must use a typo to support it.

    Yes, it’s true, everyone here makes typos and grammar mistakes. Some are simply typos and some are actually the result of stupidity. But the point is that a spokesman for god such as Messy would not make any grammar, spelling, or typo mistakes. He wouldn’t C&P for god. He’s simply an ignorant fool, and one who’s very possibly mentally incompetent.

  57. on 02 Dec 2012 at 6:05 pm 57.Asher said …

    Anonymous @13,

    You are wiser already than the contributors and owners of this blog. Congratulations on discovering Jesus at such a young age and doing so with such class.

  58. on 02 Dec 2012 at 7:49 pm 58.DPK said …

    Yes, he or she is more knowledegable than they even realize. Let’s condense the argument for the belief in supernatural gods to the follow quote, which sums it up nicely:

    (Speaking about the reality of death) “Doesn’t that scare you? It sure did to me. Believing in God and at least having what your mind tells you is a loving relationship with Him at least gives you hope. I’d rather have false hope than no hope at all.”

    READ THAT AGAIN:
    “I’d rather have FALSE HOPE than no hope at all.”
    I’d rather look like Brad Pit than me, but tragically, that’s not the case. Actually, I’d rather seek truth than live in delusion. If your current god fantasy didn’t offer eternal life, you’d have no interest in buying it, would you?

  59. on 02 Dec 2012 at 7:55 pm 59.Anonymous said …

    That’s it in a nutshell. Religion is about needing to feel special and wanting to believe things that are not true.

  60. on 02 Dec 2012 at 10:30 pm 60.anonomous said …

    The issues that I have with the rejection of religion is the problem of having a lack of reasons why I shouldn’t go murder people (or why I should not go out and kill myself). I fail to see why anyone cares about anybody else, and why anyone would care enough to post a blog about anything. Actually, because there is no meaning to life, I do not see why I should not just take a shotgun to my head and shoot myself just to get out of this world. Would someone please tell this poor, “insane”, person why I should’nt be immoral?

  61. on 02 Dec 2012 at 10:55 pm 61.alex said …

    “because there is no meaning to life”

    you fucken moron, if you know death is final, you’d be nicer to gays, women, minorities, etc.

    but instead, your bullshit god get out of jail card, allows you fuckers to do all kinds of shit and then be redeemed. what a crock.

    how many atheists commit suicide compared to theists?

  62. on 02 Dec 2012 at 11:04 pm 62.Lou(DFW) said …

    60.anonomous said …

    “I do not see why I should not just take a shotgun to my head and shoot myself just to get out of this world.”

    That’s your choice. How does believing in an imaginary god prevent you from doing that? If anything, if you believe in going to heaven, then you should do it.

    “Would someone please tell this poor, “insane”, person why I should’nt be immoral?”

    Define “immoral.”

  63. on 02 Dec 2012 at 11:19 pm 63.Lou(DFW) said …

    57.Asser said …

    “Anonymous @13,
    You are wiser already than the contributors and owners of this blog.”

    We’ll, at least according to the low standards of someone who agrees with you that “I’d rather have false hope than no hope at all.”

  64. on 02 Dec 2012 at 11:54 pm 64.DPK said …

    60 anonymous, if you really feel that life has no meaning without the promise of another one after this one is over, then I feel very sorry for you. What a sad existence you must have, having won the cosmic lottery by being born a sentient creature at what may well be the high point of human achievement and understanding. Andd you find that worthless?
    Sad.

  65. on 03 Dec 2012 at 1:17 am 65.Anonymous said …

    “The issues that I have with the rejection of religion is the problem of having a lack of reasons why I shouldn’t go murder people (or why I should not go out and kill myself).”

    60, whilst I don’t wish you ill or mean to judge you, it worries me greatly that you have so little regard for the life of the others around you.

    Tell us, if the only thing that stops you killing people is the thought that an imaginary friend might see you do it, doesn’t that worry you that you’re a ticking bomb waiting to go off? It would worry me. If you are sincere in your question, I hope you can gain control of your violent tendencies.

    Also, as DPK says, if you wish to kill yourself, then that is your choice. I hope you don’t, as it seems a waste to me but, really, if theists sincerely think a better world is waiting for them, then it seems odd that they try so hard not to prove themselves correct.

  66. on 28 Dec 2012 at 10:32 pm 66.Wouldubelieveit said …

    Paul Krugman describes the insanity of religion – Religion requires its followers to reject evidence. It is kind of funny how he oh BELIEVE’s there’s that word what is call BELIEVE. I

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