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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 18 Nov 2012 12:07 am

Time for Religion to Pay Its Taxes

Yes, it is time for religion to start paying its taxes because preachers, ministers, rabbis, preists, etc. frequently break the law when it comes to their tax exempt status:

After Campaigning from the Pulpit, Right Wing Churches Must Lose their Tax Exempt Status

Religious organizations are given consent to declare themselves non-profit charitable organizations by simply signing and filing 501 (c)(3) papers with the Internal Revenue Service. They, unlike other non-profits, are exempt from keeping accounting records, and the only requirement to be exempt from paying taxes is that they refrain from endorsing, preaching against, or supporting any candidate from the pulpit. However, religious groups around the country break their agreement with the IRS with impunity, and it has prompted a group in Wisconsin to say enough.

The group, the Freedom From Religion Foundation filed a lawsuit on Wednesday against the IRS for failing to audit thousands of churches that violated federal tax law by engaging in partisan advocacy. The lawsuit alleges, “The Internal Revenue Service, under the direction of the Defendant Shulman, has followed and continues to follow a policy of non-enforcement of the electioneering restrictions of §501(c)(3) against churches and other religious organizations. As a result, in recent years, churches and religious organizations have been blatantly and deliberately flaunting the electioneering restrictions of §501(c)(3), including during the presidential election year of 2012.” Back in October, in a flagrant violation of 501(c)(3) rules, over 1,600 preachers engaged in Pulpit Freedom Sunday and actively campaigned from the pulpit to challenge the IRS rules that allow them to leach money from taxpayers.

Here’s what Pulpit Freedom Sunday is all about:

The future of religious freedom depends on a free pulpit to communicate fundamental, biblical principles to congregations across America. Join a growing movement of bold pastors preaching biblical Truth about candidates and elections from their pulpits on October 7, 2012.

It seems to be a clear cut violation – so make churches pay.

What would happen if churches had to pay taxes like everyone else? According to this article:

Pulpit Freedom Sunday — Should the Church Be Tax-Exempt?

the church in America saves roughly 71 billion dollars annually by being tax-exempt. Imagine how much food that could buy to feed the hungry, or how it could help those less fortunate. This might be acceptable if the church was actually encouraging strategies to reduce human suffering, irresponsible behavior that harms others, ending violence in our neighborhoods and other critical issues. Churches do not serve the common good; they propagate ancient supernatural mythology that brainwashes people into believing the unbelievable and impedes social and scientific progress.

$71 billion! Yes, churches should start paying taxes.

43 Responses to “Time for Religion to Pay Its Taxes”

  1. on 19 Nov 2012 at 12:09 am 1.The messenger said …

    The reason that Churches are allowed to have a tax except is because they use their money to help the poor by create charities to help them financially. Churches also donate food and other supplies to help the poor people of this world. If the churches had to pay taxes they would go bankrupt and they would nolonger be able to finance those charities or donate money and supplies to the poor.

    Brother Thomas, I pray that you see the truth..

  2. on 19 Nov 2012 at 3:28 am 2.A said …

    It will never happen. African American and NAACP front churches are the worst. Why do you think Obama doesn’t touch this matter? The biggest violators are his supporters.

    But for paying taxes, lets start with the Democrats who don’t pay their taxes beginning with the Obama regime.

    Last point here. Churches/Christians do more to help the poor, needy and the hopeless around the world than any group in the world. I have seen it personally. Giving money to Obama just results in failed businesses, stimulus slush funds and trips to Spain for his family and friends.

    Case Dismissed

    Next!

  3. on 19 Nov 2012 at 4:58 pm 3.Lou(DFW) said …

    2.Ass said …

    “African American and NAACP front churches are the worst.”

    Liar – show us.

    “Why do you think Obama doesn’t touch this matter?”

    President Obama doesn’t run the IRS, dumb-ASS.

    “The biggest violators are his supporters.”

    Liar – show us.

    “But for paying taxes, lets start with the Democrats who don’t pay their taxes beginning with the Obama regime.”

    Liar – show us.

    “Last point here. Churches/Christians do more to help the poor, needy and the hopeless around the world than any group in the world.”

    Irrelevant, even if true – doesn’t change the tax code. BTW, how many billions of dollars does the Catholic church have in the bank that isn’t spent on charity?

    “I have seen it personally. Giving money to Obama just results in failed businesses, stimulus slush funds and trips to Spain for his family and friends.”

    Poor ASS/Crum, can’t control his President Obama OCD.

  4. on 19 Nov 2012 at 5:00 pm 4.Lou(DFW) said …

    1.The messenger said …

    “The reason that Churches are allowed to have a tax except is because they use their money to help the poor by create charities to help them financially.”

    No, that’s not the reason at all.

    You’re such a confused, misinformed, uneducated moron.

  5. on 19 Nov 2012 at 9:05 pm 5.BrianE said …

    Liberal/Conservative church I don’t care – you break the law and explicitly support a candidate, then you pay up!

    I find it ridiculous that so many theists can’t get on board with this clear violation of the law and our constitution. It’s seriously telling about your mindset.

  6. on 19 Nov 2012 at 9:19 pm 6.Lou(DFW) said …

    5.BrianE said …

    “I find it ridiculous that so many theists can’t get on board with this clear violation of the law and our constitution. It’s seriously telling about your mindset.”

    Not to mention that whole sky-daddy bit.

  7. on 19 Nov 2012 at 9:57 pm 7.Rostam said …

    Here is the statement of the purpose of Pulpit Freedom.

    “The future of religious freedom depends on a free pulpit to communicate fundamental, biblical principles to congregations across America. Join a growing movement of bold pastors preaching biblical Truth about candidates and elections from their pulpits on October 7, 2012.”

    Not one word about endorsing a candidate. Get over your OCD of religion and churches they have violated nothing. A is correct that the NAACP has many pastors who do nothing but politic. The last thing the government needs is more money to waste.

  8. on 19 Nov 2012 at 10:59 pm 8.The messenger said …

    4.Lou(DFW) yes it is the reason. The Catholic Church always tries to help the poor people of this world. If they loose that money who will finance the charities then? Answer that question brother Lou.

  9. on 19 Nov 2012 at 11:54 pm 9.alex said …

    “Here is the statement of the purpose of Pulpit Freedom.”

    state all you fucking want, but it doesn’t change the fact that the church endorses, recommends, and champions candidates. i’m not gonna spell it out for you, you idiot. this ain’t a political thing, so quit your NAACP bullshit. fucken churches should pay taxes because they’re not supposed to be political. we’ll see how that lawsuit turns out, you moron. win or lose the lawsuit, the fucken churches need to behave.

    “The last thing the government needs is more money to waste.”

    this is a lame diversion attempt. you are dismissed, you fucken idiot.

  10. on 20 Nov 2012 at 1:01 am 10.Lou(DFW) said …

    7.Rostam said …

    “Here is the statement of the purpose of Pulpit Freedom.”

    Who gives a shit what the stated purpose is?

    Where in the statement of purpose for catholic priests is child molestation?

  11. on 20 Nov 2012 at 1:06 am 11.Lou(DFW) said …

    7.Rostam/ASS said …

    “A is correct that the NAACP has many pastors who do nothing but politic.”

    So what? Do you ever have actual point?

    “The last thing the government needs is more money to waste.”

    So, let’s follow your convoluted logic and simply allow the citizens to decide whether or not to pay taxes, regardless of whether or not tax evasion is illegal.

  12. on 20 Nov 2012 at 1:40 am 12.A said …

    Rostam

    Thomas never read the purpose. He just saw thread material. Don’t confuse that with facts, truth or logic.

    Hey, Thelma Lou finally made some sense. He just described liberals. I wonder how many new Obama appointees will need to pay their taxes before coming on board?

  13. on 20 Nov 2012 at 2:15 am 13.The messenger said …

    Brother Lou, I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

  14. on 20 Nov 2012 at 3:06 am 14.Lou(DFW) said …

    12.ASS said …

    “I wonder how many new Obama appointees will need to pay their taxes before coming on board?”

    I wonder when you will ever get past your President Obama OCD and provide evidence for your imaginary god.

  15. on 20 Nov 2012 at 4:51 am 15.Lou(DFW) said …

    8.The messenger said …

    “If they loose [sic] that money who will finance the charities then?”

    I don’t know why you think this is a relevant question.

    They won’t “[lose]” that money. They will still receive it from those who donate. If priests stop molesting children, resulting in cash settlements to the victims, then perhaps the church would have enough money to continue its charities AND pay its fair share of taxes.

    BTW – I’m not your “brother.”

  16. on 20 Nov 2012 at 12:00 pm 16.freddies_dead said …

    I’m wondering why the theists here think that pointing out the fact that liberal churches also endorse political candidates somehow means that conservative ones should be granted the same licence? It’s not even a valid diversionary tactic.

    As BrianE has already pointed out, it doesn’t matter what bias the church has, liberal/conservative, if it wants to get into politics it should pay it’s taxes like everyone else.

  17. on 20 Nov 2012 at 12:31 pm 17.Lou(DFW) said …

    16.freddies_dead said …

    “if it wants to get into politics it should pay it’s taxes like everyone else.”

    That’s right. They simply don’t seem to get it. They want to have their cake and eat it, too.

    Regardless, as a whole, churches should pay taxes unless they are prepared to operate as a true non-profit, charitable organization, whilst under the scrutiny of the IRS or any other regulatory agency – not as an organization that simply operates to spread delusion and superstition, seduce women, molest children, inhibit knowledge and education, control speech and the government, and make a profit at the expense of the taxpayers.

  18. on 20 Nov 2012 at 1:02 pm 18.Lou(DFW) said …

    12.ASS, in a vain attempt to imitate me, said …

    “Hey, Thelma Lou….”

    ASS, you just can’t the hang of that, can you? You simply don’t get it.

  19. on 20 Nov 2012 at 1:21 pm 19.Rostam said …

    “I’m wondering why the theists here think that pointing out the fact that liberal churches also endorse political candidates somehow means that conservative ones should be granted the same licence (sic)?”

    Dead Freddie let me clear this up for you. The liberal churches have been promoting candidates for decades. In fact, Obama’s own pastor almost explicitly spoke on political matters and hate. Liberals are great at condemning the Klan and ignoring the Panthers, denouncing voter fraud but fighting Voter ID laws.

    Now watch closely. Pulpit freedom was not promoting candidates; they were communicating fundamental, biblical principles to congregations across America. That is not in violation of any law.

  20. on 20 Nov 2012 at 2:27 pm 20.Lou(DFW) said …

    19.Rostam said …

    “Dead Freddie let me clear this up for you. The liberal churches have been promoting candidates for decades. In fact, Obama’s own pastor almost explicitly spoke on political matters and hate. Liberals are great at condemning the Klan and ignoring the Panthers, denouncing voter fraud but fighting Voter ID laws.”

    And? What’s your point? You cleared-up nothing, but instead offered the usual political b.s.

    “Pulpit freedom was not promoting candidates; they were communicating fundamental, biblical principles to congregations across America.”

    Something that churches should be doing on all Sundays. So why make a big deal with Pulpit Freedom Sunday?

    “The future of religious freedom depends on a free pulpit to communicate fundamental, biblical principles to congregations across America.”

    Churches already have that religious freedom subsidized by the taxpayers.

    “Join a growing movement of bold pastors preaching biblical Truth about candidates and elections from their pulpits on October 7, 2012.”

    http://www.speakupmovement.org/church/LearnMore/details/4702

    “[B]iblical Truth about candidates” is, in effect, endorsing one candidate over another. Under the U.S. tax code, non-profit organizations such as churches may express views on any issue, but they jeopardize their favorable tax-exempt status if they speak for or against any political candidate.

  21. on 20 Nov 2012 at 3:54 pm 21.A said …

    Rostam what I find most appealing about liberals like Thelma Lou is how they pick and choose what laws they want to enforce and when. Notice how they pick out problems in churches and would shut them down if possible or give the government the churches money. Is there a more corrupt and inefficient organization than the government? Only a fool would give a corrupt and broken regime more money.

    Nevertheless, illegal aliens are running rampant throughout illegal Sanctuary cities but where are the liberals? Liberal politicians don’t pay taxes yet they are promoted into positions of leadership. A supposed war on woman by the Right while black conservative politicians get death threats.

    Just another example of liberal hypocrisy.

  22. on 20 Nov 2012 at 4:06 pm 22.Lou(DFW) said …

    1.ASS said …

    “Just another example of liberal hypocrisy.”

    Just another example of your lying stupidity.

  23. on 20 Nov 2012 at 4:41 pm 23.Lou(DFW) said …

    21.ASS said …

    “Only a fool would give a corrupt and broken regime more money.”

    Only a fool would lend any credence to your comments. Your continued predilection for irrationality and non-sequiturs renders impossible any intelligent discussion with you.

  24. on 20 Nov 2012 at 4:41 pm 24.Lou(DFW) said …

    ….and your sock puppets.

  25. on 20 Nov 2012 at 10:28 pm 25.The messenger said …

    Brother lou, 15.Lou(DFW) we are all children of God, so technically all people are my brothers and sisters.

    Lou, true Preists do not molest children.

    If churches had to pay taxes, they would would loose a large portion of the donated money that they are currently using to finance charities to help the poor people of the world.

    The only kind of organization that should be taxed are companies. The Catholic Church is not a company, they do not sell anything to anyone therefore they are not classified as a business, they are classified as a non profit organization, therefore they should not be taxed.

    Brother, you have still failed to answer my question.

    The Catholic Church always tries to help the poor people of this world. If they loose that money who will finance the charities then? Answer that question brother Lou.

  26. on 21 Nov 2012 at 3:21 am 26.LL said …

    “If they loose that money who will finance the charities then?”

    It won’t be the atheist or the Dems. Christians are helping eliminate pain and suffering throughout the world. If you want to discover what belief is true; see if the belief changes one for good.

  27. on 21 Nov 2012 at 3:31 am 27.Anti-Theist said …

    Does it take a church for supposed xtians to be charitable my cloud of hydrogen brother.Real xtians do all kinds of bad things. Mass murder for example.

  28. on 21 Nov 2012 at 3:55 am 28.Slapnuts McGee said …

    messenger is on super-troll status right now. And super-idiot status to boot. Congratulations, messenger.

  29. on 21 Nov 2012 at 3:57 am 29.Anti-Theist said …

    If you want to see horrendous waste without really helping do some honest investigation of mother teressa or the witch children of Africa.

  30. on 21 Nov 2012 at 4:31 am 30.Anonymous said …

    Messenger is probably making reference to the theory that the mother of Jesus was a common whore, not a virgin. Hence, he thinks Lou is his brother in that Mary sired many illegitimate sons, one of which may have been named Jesus.

  31. on 21 Nov 2012 at 3:37 pm 31.freddies_dead said …

    19. Rostam said …

    Dead Freddie let me clear this up for you.

    I’m not sure where you got the idea that I was unclear on something. Political activism by churches = churches should pay their fucking taxes. It’s incredibly simple.

    The liberal churches have been promoting candidates for decades. In fact, Obama’s own pastor almost explicitly spoke on political matters and hate. Liberals are great at condemning the Klan and ignoring the Panthers, denouncing voter fraud but fighting Voter ID laws.

    Is this crap supposed to be make a difference? I couldn’t give a flying fuck whether the church is liberal, conservative or downright loony. If it wants to have a say in politics and government then it should. Pay. It’s. Fucking. Taxes.

    Now watch closely. Pulpit freedom was not promoting candidates;they were communicating fundamental, biblical principles to congregations across America. That is not in violation of any law.

    Lol, absolute bullshit. You’d have to be a complete moron or a massive liar to claim that pointing out how a political candidate does or doesn’t reflect your views isn’t promoting candidates. So, Rostam, are you a liar or an idiot?

  32. on 21 Nov 2012 at 7:39 pm 32.Burebista said …

    If we all have the same ancestor, the primordial soup Nazi, wouldn’t that make us a related as brothers and sisters? It would if one believed such a fairytale.

  33. on 21 Nov 2012 at 9:29 pm 33.The messenger said …

    Brother 30.Anonymous, Mary is not a whore, she only had 2 children.

    God created everything, therefore he created us and we are his children.

    Brother, I pray that you now see the truth.

  34. on 21 Nov 2012 at 10:42 pm 34.alex said …

    “If we all have the same ancestor, the primordial soup Nazi, wouldn’t that make us a related as brothers and sisters? It would if one believed such a fairytale.”

    and??? is this your proof? concentrate, moron.

  35. on 22 Nov 2012 at 12:23 am 35.The messenger said …

    Brother Alex, God is real.

  36. on 03 Mar 2013 at 8:58 pm 36.Max said …

    Where in the Constitution does it state: Seperation of church, state and taxes?

  37. on 20 Mar 2013 at 11:27 pm 37.JESUS BELEVER said …

    WE BELEVE IN ONE GOD THE FATHER THE ALMIGHTY MAKER OF HEVEN AND EARTH IN ALL THAT IS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE

  38. on 20 Mar 2013 at 11:28 pm 38.JESUS BELEVER said …

    HE IS THE HOLY ONE

  39. on 20 Mar 2013 at 11:28 pm 39.JESUS BELEVER said …

    HE HAS ANSWERS

  40. on 21 Mar 2013 at 1:04 am 40.alex said …

    JESUS BELEVER said …

    …another #@^!$* hit and run bullshitter.

  41. on 21 Mar 2013 at 2:53 am 41.The messenger said …

    on 20 Mar 2013 at 2:47 am 179.The messenger said …
    Brother Alex, God loves all people equally. He does not favor anyone over anyone else, we are all equal under him.
    Suffering occurs in our lives as a test to teach us to keep our moral values even in the face of danger or pain of anykind. If we succeed in staying kind, compassionate, loving, and forgiving people durring our time on Earth, we will go to heaven as soon as we die. But if we live greedy, prideful, hateful, or jealous lives, then we will spend some time in hell until we are sent to purgatory to receive another chance to be good people.
    God experiences more pain than we can possibly imagin, and he does it all for us., because he loves us. He died so that we could go to heaven.
    Alex you are very ungrateful.,

  42. on 21 Mar 2013 at 2:55 am 42.The messenger said …

    Jesus believer, it is an honor to meet you.

  43. on 21 Mar 2013 at 2:56 am 43.The messenger said …

    on 20 Mar 2013 at 2:47 am 179.The messenger said …
    Brother Alex, God loves all people equally. He does not favor anyone over anyone else, we are all equal under him.
    Suffering occurs in our lives as a test to teach us to keep our moral values even in the face of danger or pain of anykind. If we succeed in staying kind, compassionate, loving, and forgiving people durring our time on Earth, we will go to heaven as soon as we die. But if we live greedy, prideful, hateful, or jealous lives, then we will spend some time in hell until we are sent to purgatory to receive another chance to be good people.
    God experiences more pain than we can possibly imagin, and he does it all for us., because he loves us. He died so that we could go to heaven.
    Alex you are very ungrateful.

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