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Christianity Thomas on 10 Nov 2012 12:24 am

Ramming Christianity Down People’s Throats

What is it like living side by side with Christians in the United States? Oftimes it means having Christianity rammed down your throat:

Afghanistan War Hero Sues City Over Christian Symbols at Veteran’s Memorial

Like this:

When Hewett spoke with King City Manager John Cater at the time, Cater responded to the veteran by telling him he would have to answer “to God and Jesus Christ upon [his] death” for complaining.

How should religion be treated in public? The phrase that sums it up: “freedom of religion also means freedom from religion”. Those of us who know that Christians are completely delusional in worshipping their imaginary, powerless God should not have to constantly have Christianity rammed down our throats.

And every “moderate” Christian who thinks “well, I don’t act that way” should ask themselves why they want to be associated with the millions of other Christians who do. Start thinking – turn away from delusion:

132 Responses to “Ramming Christianity Down People’s Throats”

  1. on 10 Nov 2012 at 11:46 am 1.Anonymous said …

    Living side by side with Muslims is even worse

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-09-10-47-38

  2. on 10 Nov 2012 at 12:40 pm 2.Anonymous said …

    It’s not clear what your point is in #1.

    Should we continue to let American Christian’s delusion manifest itself in disrespect to other Americans because Egyptian Muslims treat Egyptian women worse?

  3. on 10 Nov 2012 at 2:02 pm 3.Lou(DFW) said …

    FFRF asks Obama to drop religion in presidential oath

    http://t.co/SRvVZbZk

  4. on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:00 pm 4.The messenger said …

    Mrs.Thomas, Christianity is not forced upon anyone. The reason that Christian symbols were put near the veteran’s memorial is because many of the solders who died in battle were Christian, the symbols were put there to honnor the fallen warriors and wish them peace in the after life. There is nothing wrong with that.

    The person who sued because of the symbols at the memorial is obviously a misguided wimp that gets upset over petty issues, he is dis honnering his fellow comrades by complaining about issues that do not effect him in any way. If he does not want to see the symbols he could simply not look at them instead of acting like an incompedent puss cake over a petty situation.

  5. on 11 Nov 2012 at 4:55 am 5.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Messenger, seriously. Fucking leave.

  6. on 11 Nov 2012 at 12:56 pm 6.Truth said …

    “The phrase that sums it up: “freedom of religion also means freedom from religion”.”

    Erroneous, this is a viable personal opinion but not at all accurate. The establishment cause speaks of freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Christians must listen to other religions including the religion of atheism. The difference is Christians tend to respect the right of others to share their faith. Many atheists have an inclination of being completely intolerant of other beliefs.
    I would suggest Hewett grow up and remember the reason he served. I would hate to see him marginalized as Kerry was upon his return from service.

  7. on 11 Nov 2012 at 2:09 pm 7.alex said …

    “The difference is Christians tend to respect the right of others to share their faith.”

    when you and yer ilk go around spreading your bullshit, are you respectful of other religions? your xtians respected the native american’s religion, didn’t they?

    “Many atheists have an inclination of being completely intolerant of other beliefs.”

    you’re an idiot. count the morons (you included) that frequent atheist sites and fuck with people. when was the last time an atheist held up a sign that said “god sucks”. look up secularism, asshole. look up the percentage of people that support it.

    you’re playing the same, lame, persecuted xtian bullshit. you’re not entitled to throw your crap around anymore. you’re confused.

    “Erroneous, this is a viable personal opinion but not at all accurate.”

    fine, whatever. your god is still bullshit. another diversion attempt.

  8. on 11 Nov 2012 at 5:08 pm 8.The messenger said …

    5.Slapnuts McGee I will never leave.

  9. on 11 Nov 2012 at 5:37 pm 9.The messenger said …

    on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:00 pm 4.The messenger said …
    Mrs.Thomas, Christianity is not forced upon anyone. The reason that Christian symbols were put near the veteran’s memorial is because many of the solders who died in battle were Christian, the symbols were put there to honnor the fallen warriors and wish them peace in the after life. There is nothing wrong with that.
    The person who sued because of the symbols at the memorial is obviously a misguided wimp that gets upset over petty issues, he is dis honnering his fellow comrades by complaining about issues that do not effect him in any way. If he does not want to see the symbols he could simply not look at them instead of acting like an incompedent puss cake over a petty situation.

  10. on 14 Nov 2012 at 7:00 am 10.Neoglitch said …

    HI there! I just wanted to say that…

    godisimaginary.com is DOWN!! What happened?! D:

  11. on 14 Nov 2012 at 10:24 pm 11.The messenger said …

    on 11 Nov 2012 at 5:37 pm 9.The messenger said …
    on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:00 pm 4.The messenger said …
    Mrs.Thomas, Christianity is not forced upon anyone. The reason that Christian symbols were put near the veteran’s memorial is because many of the solders who died in battle were Christian, the symbols were put there to honnor the fallen warriors and wish them peace in the after life. There is nothing wrong with that.
    The person who sued because of the symbols at the memorial is obviously a misguided wimp that gets upset over petty issues, he is dis honnering his fellow comrades by complaining about issues that do not effect him in any way. If he does not want to see the symbols he could simply not look at them instead of acting like an incompedent puss cake over a petty situation.

  12. on 14 Nov 2012 at 10:38 pm 12.Lou(DFW) said …

    Freedom From Religion Foundation sues IRS for not enforcing electioneering restrictions on churches

    http://t.co/J15XI7x0

  13. on 14 Nov 2012 at 11:24 pm 13.JALindsay said …

    I saw that, Lou(DFW). It’s getting pretty serious now. Hats off to the FFRF!

  14. on 14 Nov 2012 at 11:27 pm 14.The messenger said …

    I pray that you stop your sinful ways and see the goodness in of Lord Christ Jesus.

  15. on 14 Nov 2012 at 11:40 pm 15.The messenger said …

    12. Lou(DFW)
    I pray that you stop your sinful ways and see the goodness in our Lord Christ Jesus.

    Your insain hate for religious people is appalling and evil. I pray that you change.
    Islam is the only corrupt religion left in this world, it needs to be reformed.

    Christianity and Judaism are not corrupt in any way. Christians and Jews are peaceful, kind, generous, loving people. Why do you fail to realize this?

  16. on 15 Nov 2012 at 2:47 am 16.Curmudgeon said …

    Think the IRS will start with Obams’s preacher 4 years later? Think we can sue for other laws ignored? How about suing sanctuary cities for illegals?

    Seizing control of GM and Chrysler without proper authorization from Congress.

    Firing whistle-blower Gerald Walpin for doing his job as the Inspector-General in charge of investigating corruption, waste, and fraud in government programs.

    Collecting data on fellow Americans who oppose healthcare reform with flag@whitehouse.gov and now, through a new Obama campaign website, again collecting data on fellow Americans who disagree with the Administration

    Placing the U.S. Census Bureau under the supervision of the White House Chief of Staff, by law the Department of Commerce.

    His Justice Department’s smuggling of weapons, that the President signed off on funding for.

    Manipulating jobs by hiring and rehiring Census workers.

    Creating false districts and assigning stimulus funds to those districts.

    Violating tax codes by releasing private tax details to the public when attacking Koch Industries.

    Creating a taxpayer-funded position, Director of Progressive Media & Online Response, to promote Obama’s incumbent candidacy, in violation of the Hatch Act.

    Obama’s filming of a campaign ad in the White House in violation of FEC laws.

  17. on 15 Nov 2012 at 2:49 am 17.Curmudgeon said …

    “godisimaginary.com is DOWN!! What happened?!”

    Lack of substance.

  18. on 15 Nov 2012 at 3:59 am 18.Lou(DFW) said …

    17.Crum said …

    “godisimaginary.com is DOWN!! What happened?!”

    “Lack of substance.”

    Except that it’s not down. The claim that it is lacks substance.

  19. on 15 Nov 2012 at 4:00 am 19.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Maybe god took a break from all of his magic matchmaking at christianmingle.com and decided to take the site down. Must’ve missed his matchmaking though…the site is up and running now.

    Apparently god has the time to write algorithms that match desperate delusional christians with other desperate delusional christians, but he doesn’t have time to cure cancer. What a swell guy.

  20. on 15 Nov 2012 at 4:02 am 20.Lou(DFW) said …

    16.Crum said …

    A lot stuff that has nothing to do with the discussion of god and religion. But go ahead, Crum, sue away if you think you have a case. You don’t have a case for your imaginary god, so it’s very much doubtful that you have a case for any of the other b.s. you posted.

  21. on 15 Nov 2012 at 4:12 am 21.Lou(DFW) said …

    6.Truthless said …

    “The phrase that sums it up: “freedom of religion also means freedom from religion”.”

    “Erroneous, this is a viable personal opinion but not at all accurate. The establishment cause speaks of freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.”

    LOL! For there to be freedom of religion, there must be freedom FROM religion – freedom from other people’s religious beliefs so that you can follow your own brand of delusion. Freedom of religion and freedom from religion are one and the same.

    “Christians must listen to other religions including the religion of atheism.”

    “Erroneous” – by definition, so-called “atheism” is not a religion.

    “The difference is Christians tend to respect the right of others to share their faith.”

    That has to one of the most absurd comments ever posted here.

    “Many atheists have an inclination of being completely intolerant of other beliefs.”

    We don’t give a flying damn what you believe as long as you don’t force upon those who don’t share your delusion.

  22. on 15 Nov 2012 at 11:59 am 22.Martin said …

    “For there to be freedom of religion, there must be freedom FROM religion -”

    Here we have another logical fallacy. Notice Lou’s claim atheism is NOT a religion. Must a religion involve God? Let us examine this claim. Buddhism and other eastern religions do not include a God therefore Atheism could very well form a religion. But for the sake of discussion let us assume it is not.

    In order for FOR to be true FFR must be true,

    Could this logically be true? What we have is:

    A is true only if B is true however A is not logically connected to B.

    Lou forces this statement to be true by redefining FFR. If Lou hears the word God then he feels religion has been FORCED upon him. But has it? Can he ignore it? Is he forced to convert to Islam, Christianity or Taoism? Of course not. But further, the Constitution does NOT protect him from FFR therefore to be in such company he would need to leave the planet.

    What we have is another myopic adherent of Atheism who would like to suppress religious freedom for the masses in order to practice his “religion”. Your freedom ends where my freedom begins Lou.

  23. on 15 Nov 2012 at 1:13 pm 23.The messenger said …

    22.Martin well said, brother Martin.

  24. on 15 Nov 2012 at 1:57 pm 24.Lou(DFW) said …

    22.Martin/Mitch/ASS/? said …

    “…Atheism could very well form a religion.”

    Martin/Mitch/ASS/? – why is it you suddenly appeared again, but not to answer the challenges put forth to your last batch of comments?

    Martin/Mitch/ASS/? – your comment is moot when you capitalize the “made-up” word “atheism.”

    “If Lou hears the word God then he feels religion has been FORCED upon him.”

    Of course I don’t. You’re simply lying again, ASS.

    “…the Constitution does NOT protect him from FFR…”

    I’m not exactly sure what you mean by being protected “from [freedom from religion],” but the Constitution protects everyone from religion, even you.

    “What we have is another myopic adherent of Atheism who would like to suppress religious freedom for the masses in order to practice his “religion.”

    What we have here is another theist who must lie to defend his indefensible position, not to mention one who NEVER, EVER presents any evidence to support his delusion that should not be the source of so much conflict in the first place. Imagine if society wasted so much time and money arguing over other delusions such as geocentricity, astrology, creationism, etc., etc., etc.

    Your religion is a delusion. Your fraudulent defensive of it can be reduced to this:

    Everything that everyone believes, and even DISBELIEVES, is a “religion,” too. Therefore, my religion is justifiable, even though I don’t have any evidence for it.

    Your delusion/religion is one of faith – the belief in something for which there is no evidence. The rejection of your religion/faith delusion is not a religion – period, despite your fraudulent attempt to define it as such.

  25. on 15 Nov 2012 at 2:06 pm 25.Lou(DFW) said …

    Let’s examine a specific part of 22.Martin/Mitch/ASS/? said …

    “If Lou hears the word God then he feels religion has been FORCED upon him. But has it?”

    Hearing the word god is not a claim made by me that religion was forced upon me or anyone else. That is a lie. What it is is freedom from the laws and rules of religion(s) so that I am free to follow my own idea – that your imaginary god is a delusion.

    “Can he ignore it?”

    Of course I can! Because I have FFR!

    “Is he forced to convert to Islam, Christianity or Taoism? Of course not.”

    EXACTLY! Because I have FFR!

  26. on 15 Nov 2012 at 3:51 pm 26.Scourge said …

    22. (lying) Martin. After having stayed away for a bit, I am delighted to see the sloppy and dim, or willfully dishonest, drivel Martin writes. Anyone who is free-thinker should be heartened to see that this crap is the best that can be mustered by the forces of ignorance and repression.

    For example, “Buddhism and other eastern religions do not include a God therefore Atheism could very well form a religion.” This is the winning thought one delights in finding in the Southern United States and intellectual ghettos like Wheaton College. Ignoring the stupidity of the assertion that Hindus do not have many gods, this claim is willfully deceitful. It is flawed induction akin to “Pedophiles brush their teeth and you brush your teeth, therefore you might well be a pedophile.” I would expect no better from a Christian.

    Next the dullard liar writes, “In order for FOR to be true FFR must be true,
    Could this logically be true? What we have is:
    A is true only if B is true however A is not logically connected to B.”

    Of course in typical deceitful lying, or more likely just plain stupid, Christian style, Martin appends a lie, “…however A is not logically connected to B.” to avoid addressing the real issue which he knows he cannot argue against. The assertion actually is people are free to practice their religion of choice if that religion does not harm others. So the right discussion is whether folks FOR as currently practiced impinges on the rights of others. One could only support the argument for “NO! FOR does not impinge on the rights of others” if it could be shown that religious organizations I. receive no subsidies directly through grants or indirectly through tax considerations of the government, and II. do not try to influence through propaganda, direct lobbying, or monetary consideration any aspect of government or civil affairs. Clearly, FOR as currently practiced fails both I & II above.

    FFR does not mean freedom from seeing ugly fat people wearing crucifixes as Martin seems to assert. Nor does it mean that television should be free from sweating charlatans blubbering about Jesus and imploring viewers to fork-over cash. FFR in this case means people are entitled not to have public places polluted with the symbols of chicanery and deceit which are Christianity. More broadly, it is asks for religious practitioners to exhibit good manners in the same way that talking in a theater is not well received. In the same way that a jerk yammering on a telephone in a theater should not be surprised when someone tells them to “shut the f-ck up”, the vulgar evangelical Christians should not be surprised when their betters tell them to be quiet and behave.

  27. on 15 Nov 2012 at 4:21 pm 27.Lou(DFW) said …

    25.Scourge said …

    “FFR does not mean freedom from seeing ugly fat people wearing crucifixes as Martin seems to assert. Nor does it mean that television should be free from sweating charlatans blubbering about Jesus and imploring viewers to fork-over cash.”

    Correct, that is only one of the Martin/Mitch/ASS/? fallacies – in this case, a straw man.

  28. on 15 Nov 2012 at 5:16 pm 28.The messenger said …

    on 14 Nov 2012 at 11:40 pm 15.The messenger said …
    12. Lou(DFW)
    I pray that you stop your sinful ways and see the goodness in our Lord Christ Jesus.
    Your insain hate for religious people is appalling and evil. I pray that you change.
    Islam is the only corrupt religion left in this world, it needs to be reformed.
    Christianity and Judaism are not corrupt in any way. Christians and Jews are peaceful, kind, generous, loving people. Why do you fail to realize this?

  29. on 15 Nov 2012 at 5:21 pm 29.The messenger said …

    26.Scourge I can not even begin to stress how misinformed your really are, you are even worse that lou(DRW)

  30. on 15 Nov 2012 at 5:31 pm 30.The messenger said …

    26.Scourge Christianity and Judaism are not corrupt in any way, both of those religions encourage peace, kindness, love, forgiveness, generosity, and acceptance of others beliefs and ways of life.

    I pray that you understand this.

  31. on 15 Nov 2012 at 7:35 pm 31.Curmudgeon said …

    Disbelief in something is not a religion. Passion, obsession, advertising, evangelism, organizing and book after book about this “disbelief” makes it a religion.

  32. on 15 Nov 2012 at 9:10 pm 32.Anonymous said …

    “Martin”‘s return and his refusal to demonstrate that he knows how to construct a valid logical argument lead us to two different outcomes. None of which help him or any of his other persona.

    First, perhaps “Martin” doesn’t know how to construct a logical argument for his god, so he doesn’t try. In that case Martin is being deliberately disingenuous and is simply trying to disrupt the conversation any way he can. In this case, he makes claims about logic that he isn’t actually able to back up.

    Second, we could allow that Martin does understand how to construct valid logical arguments. Unfortunately, that’s even worse for his cause as he’s not trying to produce a logical argument for his god because he knows he cannot, and he cannot because his belief is not founded in logic. In that case he’s being willfully dishonest because he cannot support his belief through logic – yet he resorts to fallacious pseudo-logical arguments in order to dishonestly shift the burden of proof. By continuing to produce deliberately dishonest and disruptive comments he’s also trolling.

    So, by refusing to provide backup for his position, “Martin” leaves no reason for anyone to take his comments seriously or bother to respond to them.

  33. on 15 Nov 2012 at 9:22 pm 33.Curmudgeon said …

    “If Lou hears the word God then he feels religion has been FORCED upon him.”

    I don’t think it is only hearing the word God, such as at a graduation speech. It is seeing a cross on the side of a road or the crossing of two I beams in the 9/11 rubble. To an atheist a religion has been forced down their throat. They don’t understand the word forced or comprehend the meaning. These are the same people who claim tolerance. I wonder if they know prayer opens sessions of congress?

  34. on 15 Nov 2012 at 10:29 pm 34.Lou(DFW) said …

    27.Crum said …

    “Passion, obsession, advertising, evangelism, organizing and book after book about this “disbelief” makes it a religion.”

    Thank you, Crum. You just elevated your delusion to the level of NASCAR racing and NFL Football – well, except those things are real.

  35. on 15 Nov 2012 at 10:32 pm 35.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.Curmudgeon said …

    “I don’t think…”

    It doesn’t matter what you think or don’t think. It only matters what you can demonstrate or prove. After all, you think there is a god.

  36. on 15 Nov 2012 at 10:41 pm 36.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.Crum said …

    “I wonder if they know prayer opens sessions of congress?”

    Thank you for providing an example of the ineffectiveness of praying to your imaginary god.

  37. on 15 Nov 2012 at 10:54 pm 37.Curmudgeon said …

    “Thank you for providing an example of the ineffectiveness of praying to your imaginary god.”

    I think, we were very effective. I think we prayed for a split Congress. Thank the Lord we can at least slow the demise and hopefully find out what has been covered up in Libya.

    I think We forced them bad ol’ Republicans on you Louse. No need to thank us we are looking out for you.

    Keep up the hot evangelism and pull out alex. He is your best evangelist. I think it is his passion and obsession that makes him so effective.

    PS: Do you like how I worked Louse in the post? In order to post at your level I wanted to make up little names. You like, yes?

  38. on 15 Nov 2012 at 11:01 pm 38.The messenger said …

    Well said brother 37.Curmudgeon.

  39. on 15 Nov 2012 at 11:09 pm 39.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.Crum said …

    “To an atheist a religion has been forced down their throat.”

    Do you ever wonder why Crum thinks in this convoluted way? Because he and his ilk must place everything in the context of their god delusion. Whenever it’s ruled that his religion can’t be forced upon school children by forcing them to join in xtian prayer during class, then they react by claiming that their right to pray has been violated, when it obviously wasn’t.

    Crum’s convoluted thought process is an example of how religion poisons everything.

  40. on 15 Nov 2012 at 11:11 pm 40.Lou(DFW) said …

    33.Crum said …

    “I think…”

    “I think…”

    “I think…”

    “I think…”

    Who cares what you “think?”

    “Do you like how I worked Louse in the post? In order to post at your level I wanted to make up little names. You like, yes?”

    Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Thank you.

  41. on 15 Nov 2012 at 11:20 pm 41.The messenger said …

    41.Lou(DFW) no one cares about what you have to say, you never provide any valid information to back up what you have to say.

    I pitty you, I pray that you change your hateful, misguided ways.

  42. on 16 Nov 2012 at 12:31 am 42.JALindsay said …

    Looks like Crum, et al., are back on their horse about the president and policies related to that topic. It would be interesting if there was some way in America for us to have an election and see what the people think….

  43. on 16 Nov 2012 at 2:25 am 43.Curmudgeon said …

    “Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Thank you.”

    Its true, when I want to imitate a child I
    observe a child.

    Thank you Messenger. The worst thing that can happen to America, founded of Judea-Christian principles, is give one party full control. We see how well that went.

    Lou is young and when he ages he can go one of two ways. He will become a bitter lonely old man or he will be transformed and become joyful and loving grateful man. Not looking good right now. Have you ever wonder why someone spends so much time on a blog arguing about a God that does not exist? I actually do understand why.

  44. on 16 Nov 2012 at 3:25 am 44.Lou(DFW) said …

    16.Crum said …

    Complaint after complaint about off-topic issues with the Obama administration, then…

    37.Crum said …

    “I think, we were very effective” about praying to an imaginary god before every session of Congress.

  45. on 16 Nov 2012 at 3:32 am 45.Lou(DFW) said …

    43.Crum said …

    “Its true, when I want to imitate a child I
    observe a child.”

    And you do a great job if imitating a child, but like a child, you’re confused about it. Children believe in imaginary beings such as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, but I don’t. So you can’t blame me for your childish belief in your imaginary sky-daddy – unless it’s not a childish belief then you can present some actual evidence for that, correct?

    Oh, but wait! If you don’t believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, then that would be a religion. So which is your religion – belief in an imaginary sky-daddy or disbelief in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

  46. on 16 Nov 2012 at 3:33 am 46.Lou(DFW) said …

    45.Lou(DFW) said …

    “you can present some actual evidence for that, correct?”

    P.S. Crum, it doesn’t involve President Obama.

  47. on 16 Nov 2012 at 4:00 am 47.CastBound said …

    “Children believe in imaginary beings such as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, but I don’t.”

    Lou this blog is about religion in the world today. Nobody here believes in Santa and the tooth fairy and any thinking adult knows they do not correlate with God. Try to focus. Further, nobody cares what you believe. Only what you can prove. You are such a butt I am surprised anyone will engage you.

    For the serious bloggers let me ask this question. Since neither side can agree on the evidence, the cosmological, teleological, etc., let me ask the original question I proposed awhile back. Why should I become an atheist? How would my life be improved, fuller and enhanced as an Atheist? I am already well educated, financially successful and blessed with a great family. So why convert?

    I don’t want to spend every day on a blog arguing against a being that is claimed not to exist.

  48. on 16 Nov 2012 at 8:58 am 48.Severin said …

    31 Curmudgeon
    “Passion, obsession, advertising, evangelism, organizing and book after book about this “disbelief” makes it a religion.”

    So, according to you, philately is obviously a religion!?
    It fulfils all the criteria you mentioned.

    Do you ever read definitions and meanings of words you aren’t sure what they exactly mean?
    Or maybe you do, but ignore them?!

    http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/atheism :

    “Definition of atheism
    noun
    [mass noun]
    disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.”

    It is as simple as that!
    NO alternative definition/meaning!

    But what is the Oxford Dictionary for you?
    You know it better!

  49. on 16 Nov 2012 at 9:21 am 49.Severin said …

    47 Castbound
    “So why convert?”

    No one ever spoke on this blog about converting anyone to anything.

    Are you nuts, or just dishonest?

  50. on 16 Nov 2012 at 10:24 am 50.freddies_dead said …

    30.The messenger said …

    26.Scourge Christianity and Judaism are not corrupt in any way, both of those religions encourage peace, kindness, love, forgiveness, generosity, and acceptance of others beliefs and ways of life.

    And yet if people deny your claim that God exists or practise a religion that you believe to be false they’ll burn in hell for all eternity. I can certainly feel the peace, kindness, love, forgiveness, generosity, and acceptance in that.

    I pray that you understand this.

    Oh, I understand it perfectly, no prayer necessary … not that praying will do anything anyway, your God being imaginary and all.

  51. on 16 Nov 2012 at 10:57 am 51.The messenger said …

    50.freddies_dead people will go to heaven if they live kind, generous, loving, peaceful, lives.

    You do not have to be a part of the Christian or Judaism faith to go to heaven. You will go to heaven as long as you follow the guideline listed above.

  52. on 16 Nov 2012 at 12:44 pm 52.CastBound said …

    “No one ever spoke on this blog about converting anyone to anything.”

    Are you nuts? Videos and posts abound on this blog attempting to get the religious to believe there is no God. The video even asks the watcher to reject belief in Gods. My question was once posted by the blogmaster as a thread. You are dishonest Sev.

    I will take it by your response you have no good reasons to convert.

  53. on 16 Nov 2012 at 1:29 pm 53.Lou(DFW) said …

    47.Castaway said …

    “Lou this blog is about religion in the world today.”

    No, specifically, it “explores God and religion in our world today.”

    “Nobody here believes in Santa and the tooth fairy and any thinking adult knows they do not correlate with God.”

    Exactly – no thinking adult believes in imaginary beings such as your imaginary god. Regardless, the correlation is practically exactly the same

    “Further, nobody cares what you believe. Only what you can prove.”

    LOL! I’m not here to discuss what I believe or what I can prove. We’re here to discuss what THEISTS believe or can prove! Your diversion to avoid doing so now is simply a form of shifting the burden of proof.

    “You are such a butt I am surprised anyone will engage you.”

    If by “engage” you mean provide evidence for your imaginary god, you shouldn’t be surprised that no one ever does.

    “Since neither side can agree on the evidence, the cosmological, teleological, etc.”

    Translation: theists don’t have any such evidence.

    “Why should I become an atheist?”

    I personally don’t care if you abandon your belief in an imaginary god. But if you want to argue that it exists, then stop being “such a butt” about it and please provide your evidence for your imaginary god.

    “Why should I become an atheist?”

    Why should a child stop believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy?

    “I am already well educated, financially successful and blessed with a great family.”

    First of all, says you.

    Second, children who believe in them receive gifts from Santa and money from the Tooth Fairy.

    But what about all the millions of people who believe in sky-daddy as much or more than you, but who weren’t “blessed” as you claim you are?

    “I don’t want to spend every day on a blog arguing against a being that is claimed not to exist.”

    You obviously never have – unless you consider hurling insults and not providing evidence for your position an argument.

  54. on 16 Nov 2012 at 1:54 pm 54.Lou(DFW) said …

    51.CastBound said …

    “I will take it by your response you have no good reasons to convert.”

    Convert? When children stop believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy, are they converting? No, of course not. No one who doesn’t haven’t an agenda would use the word the word “convert” to describe abandoning the belief in such imaginary beings. But someone like you who has an agenda such as your religion that they can’t promote with real, actual evidence would incorrectly use such a word in the same way they incorrectly claim that disbelief in your sky-daddy is religion.

    Sev, dishonest? Dishonesty is the foundation of religion.

  55. on 16 Nov 2012 at 2:24 pm 55.Anonymous said …

    Recap of episode #19878 of the Sock-Puppet Show.

    No-one should be surprised that Castaway makes the same errors of style as does Lou(non DFW) and Xenon, yet people continue to engage and swallow the bait proceeding down the rabbit hole of nonsense arguments chasing multiple instances of the same individual.

    The Martin persona has disappeared again, probably to come back and try his pseudo-intellectual waffling when he hopes the heat has died down.

    The Curmudgeon persona continues in the style of “yes, good point me and other-me”, throwing up standard trolling arguments in order to push the conversation anywhere but the question of why no-one can provide evidence for this deity that the theists claim exists. As a bonus extra he’s playing at Humpty Dumpty with definitions not even a fool would agree with, and he knows it.

    As this episode draws to a close, the proof of any god is still nowhere to be seen. Will we see it next episode? Not likely, as those playing at being theists won’t even try and it’s looking more and more likely that they are not believers, but bog-standard emotionally-stunted trolls.

  56. on 16 Nov 2012 at 3:17 pm 56.Curmudgeon said …

    “As this episode draws to a close, the proof of any god is still nowhere to be seen.”

    lOl!! the arrogance of the anonymous/lou caricature. Before I would indulge your ego presenting a case for God, tell me, what qualifies you as the judge and jury? Do you think your approval of the evidence is required in order for it to be valid? For argument’s sake, let us assume you accepted the evidence. How would it make the evidence more or less valid? If only you were half as intellectually armed as your perceive yourself to be you could solve the debt crisis. Then again, why would you desire anyone do what this blog is whining about; shove God down your throat? Frankly, your desire to remain adamant on God’s existence impacts me zero.

    I do have a marvelous idea for the self-appointed judge and jury. Jump over to the Why won’t Santa heal amputees site and demand to judge the evidence. Maybe all those believers will submit themselves to your authority. lol!

    Castbound,

    The motivation for you to become an atheist is so you can become your own God. Doesn’t that sound divine?

  57. on 16 Nov 2012 at 3:47 pm 57.LL said …

    Severin: “No one ever spoke on this blog about converting anyone to anything.”

    Quote from “Ramming Christianity down people’s throats”

    “And every “moderate” Christian who thinks “well, I don’t act that way” should ask themselves why they want to be associated with the millions of other Christians who do. Start thinking – turn away from delusion:”

  58. on 16 Nov 2012 at 3:48 pm 58.Lou(DFW) said …

    55.Crum said …

    “Before I would indulge your ego presenting a case for God, tell me, what qualifies you as the judge and jury? Do you think your approval of the evidence is required in order for it to be valid? For argument’s sake, let us assume you accepted the evidence. How would it make the evidence more or less valid?”

    Notice how much time and effort Crum spends defending his inability to provide evidence for his imaginary god – a lot more than he does defending his actual belief in it. It demonstrates his intellectual dishonesty.

  59. on 16 Nov 2012 at 3:55 pm 59.Lou(DFW) said …

    55.Crum said …

    “How would it make the evidence more or less valid?”

    Why don’t you simply admit that you don’t have any evidence for your sky-daddy? At least that would make you an honest person.

  60. on 16 Nov 2012 at 4:22 pm 60.Lou(DFW) said …

    47.Castaway said …

    “Since neither side can agree on the evidence, the cosmological, teleological, etc., let me ask the original question I proposed awhile back.”

    Then, curiously enough:

    55.Crum said …

    “Before I would indulge your ego presenting a case for God, tell me, what qualifies you as the judge and jury? Do you think your approval of the evidence is required in order for it to be valid?”

    Hmmm…suddenly now “both” Castaway-Crum is arguing about the validity of any evidence that he might have.

  61. on 16 Nov 2012 at 5:30 pm 61.Curmudgeon said …

    Hmmm……., anony lou wants evidence but yet refuse to explain why they have this uncanny ability to determine what is and is not evidence. Why is that anony lou? Why don’t you admit you cannot analyze evidence? This would make you honest on this topic at least.

    Since anony lou likes to stay on topic, this topic is on Ramming Christianity Down People’s Throats. Why would you want this done to you anony lou?

    Now anony lou goes off on a tangent comparing posts. Spend that time answering the questions.

    (chirp) (chirp)

  62. on 16 Nov 2012 at 5:37 pm 62.Lou(DFW) said …

    60.Crum said …

    “Why don’t you admit you cannot analyze evidence?”

    What evidence?

    “…this topic is on Ramming Christianity Down People’s Throats. Why would you want this done to you…lou?”

    (?) I wouldn’t.

    60.Crum said …

    Nothing about his imaginary god, but simply more random diversions to avoid admitting that he has no such evidence for it.

    Thanks for playing, Crum.

  63. on 16 Nov 2012 at 8:19 pm 63.Curmudgeon said …

    Anoy-lou

    Tell you what. Just for grins, let us say I have no evidence for God.

    Suddenly some new evidence for God arises which must be evaluated. What would qualify you to judge the evidence as valid or invalid?

    Second, since you do not want God rammed down your throat anony lou, why are you demanding evidence?

    Prediction: anony lou will continue to cower under his desk like the president during a Benghazi attack. No answer expected, just wanting to continue to expose anony lou as a troll.

  64. on 16 Nov 2012 at 9:07 pm 64.Lou(DFW) said …

    63.Crum said …

    Many diversions because he doesn’t have any evidence for his imaginary god.

    “Just for grins, let us say I have no evidence for God.”

    LOL! What do you mean by “just for grins?” Just in case you don’t understand the expression, it means let’s pretend that the opposite of what is true/false is false/true. In this case we don’t have to imagine you don’t have any evidence because you actually don’t!

    “What would qualify you to judge the evidence as valid or invalid?”

    Poor Crum, is that all you have, shift the burden of proof? This isn’t about ME, so it’s irrelevant what qualifies me. I never said anything about ME judging your evidence. Let’s see it and we will let anybody and everybody judge it. Do you have it or not? It’s a simply yes or no question.

    “Second, since you do not want God [xtianity] rammed down your throat anony lou, why are you demanding evidence?”

    LOL! For the same reasons you that you want Islam rammed down your throat. How much simpler is that for you to understand? Do you actually require a written explanation for something that you actually experience?

    All religions in the US, not only your particular brand of delusion, suck tens of billions of dollars from the economy. But more to the point, your organised, superstitious delusion wants to control the government, morality, speech, and schools. Hopefully, some day in the distant future, by showing that there’s no evidence for your imaginary god, xtianity will be swept aside just as all the other ancient, superstitious nonsense that even you now laugh it – well, maybe that’s to extreme of an assumption on my part.

    “Prediction: anony lou will continue to cower under his desk…”

    Nobody cares about your erroneous predictions, we only care about your FACTS to support your belief in an imaginary god. In case you don’t understand “FACTS,” then here’s two for you:

    It’s a FACT, not a prediction, that you NEVER, EVER provide any evidence for your imaginary god.

    It’s a FACT, not a prediction, that you only provide diversionary comments in a juvenile attempt to avoid admitting that you simply don’t have any evidence.

    Crum, why don’t you simply admit that you don’t have any evidence, that you only believe it all because you want to? Then you can sit at home or in your government subsidized church and pray your dumb-ass off where nobody will confuse you with intelligent, rational thought.

    “…like the president during a Benghazi attack.”

    How many different monikers are you going to use to demonstrate your two-term President Obama OCD? You simply can’t help yourself (yourselves), can you? OCD, not to mention pathological lying, is a symptom of a mental illness. You should seek some help.

  65. on 16 Nov 2012 at 9:59 pm 65.Curmudgeon said …

    Yep, my prediction came true for all to see. anony lou is not qualified to judge the evidence when he can’t even give a simple qualification. We wouldn’t want to shove God down his throat.

    Come back when you are ready anony lou.

  66. on 16 Nov 2012 at 10:03 pm 66.Severin said …

    #52
    Please see #54.
    It is exactly what I would have said if I answered you directly.

    Thanks Lou!

  67. on 16 Nov 2012 at 10:25 pm 67.Lou(DFW) said …

    65.Crum said …

    “Yep, my prediction came true for all to see.”

    Except of course, that it didn’t. Do I have literally spell it out for you? I am neither disqualified nor qualified to evaluate your alleged evidence until I see it.

    “anony lou is not qualified to judge the evidence when he can’t even give a simple qualification.”

    Crum, I’m so glad that you think so highly of me that you place such great importance on my ability to evaluate your evidence for god. Sadly, all because of me, the world will never know about your extraordinary evidence – LOL!

  68. on 16 Nov 2012 at 10:42 pm 68.alex said …

    “I am neither disqualified nor qualified to evaluate your alleged evidence”

    i’m fucking qualified. bring the motherfucker on.
    1) virgin mary’s face on pancake – bullshit
    2) nice sunset – atmosphere effect
    3) bullet missing cortex – random chance
    4) hearing god’s voice – bullshit
    5) touchdown – bullshit
    6) tornado missing single wide – bullshit

    curm, what else you got, you fucken moron?

    what would be good evidence? dude, i told ya before. it’s not even difficult and a good magician could do it. just regenerate the motherfucking limb and i will bow to your god. see, it ain’t hard. trivial shit and your bullshit god can’t even do it, not even by random chance, what, with all the fucking amputees in the world.

  69. on 16 Nov 2012 at 11:50 pm 69.The messenger said …

    Here is the proof of God.

    Miracle of the Sun

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    The Miracle of the Sun (Portuguese: O Milagre do Sol) was an event on 13 October 1917 in which 30,000 to 100,000 people, who were gathered near Fátima, Portugal, claimed to have witnessed extraordinary solar activity.

    According to these reports, the event lasted approximately ten minutes.[1] The three children also reported seeing a panorama of visions, including those of Jesus, Our Lady of Sorrows, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, and of Saint Joseph blessing the people.[2]

    The event was officially accepted as a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church on 13 October 1930. On 13 October 1951, the papal legate, Cardinal Tedeschini, told the million people gathered at Fátima that on 30 October, 31 October, 1 November, and 8 November 1950, Pope Pius XII himself witnessed the miracle of the sun from the Vatican gardens.[3]

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    The people had gathered because three young shepherd children had predicted that at high noon the Blessed Virgin Mary would appear in a field in an area of Fatima called Cova da Iria. According to many witnesses, after a period of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disc in the sky.[4] It was said to be significantly duller than normal, and to cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds.[4] The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[4] frightening those who thought it a sign of the end of the world.[5] Witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became “suddenly and completely dry, as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain that had been falling”.[6]

    Estimates of number present range from 30,000 to 40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século,[7] to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra,[8] both of whom were present that day.[9]

    The event was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, a reported apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to the children who had made predictions of the event on 13 July 1917,[10] 19 August,[11] and 13 September.[12] The children stated that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them[13] and provide a miracle “so that all may believe.”[14]

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    23 Minutes in Hell is a 2006 Christian book written by Bill Wiese and published by Charisma House.[1] The book is claimed to be non-fiction and recounts the author’s alleged 23-minute-long experience in Hell in 1998.[1] The book and the underlying story within it are the topic of a series of speaking tours given by Wiese, predominantly to churches and other Christian organizations.[1]

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    Wiese states that he nevertheless managed to crawl out of his cell, where he heard the screams of the billions of damned people in hell.[4] He states that he then encountered Jesus, who told him to tell other people that hell is real.[3] Wiese states that his experience ended with him waking on the floor of his living room, screaming in horror.[3]

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    Is that Enough proof for you Lou?

  70. on 17 Nov 2012 at 12:09 am 70.The messenger said …

    Mrs.Thomas, Christianity is not forced upon anyone. The reason that Christian symbols were put near the veteran’s memorial is because many of the solders who died in battle were Christian, the symbols were put there to honnor the fallen warriors and wish them peace in the after life. There is nothing wrong with that.

    The person who sued because of the symbols at the memorial is obviously a misguided wimp that gets upset over petty issues, he is dis honnering his fellow comrades by complaining about issues that do not effect him in any way. If he does not want to see the symbols he could simply not look at them instead of acting like an incompedent puss cake over a petty situation.

  71. on 17 Nov 2012 at 3:01 am 71.alex said …

    muslimity is not forced on anyone. they just want to put a mosque near the 911 site to honor the many, many muslims that died there. there is nothing wrong with that.

    if the pussy xtians would just shut the fuck up and look the other way instead of acting like the biatches that they are.

    har har.

  72. on 17 Nov 2012 at 3:07 am 72.alex said …

    here is the real proof of the Sun God.

    the Sun God is so powerful, you cannot, MUST NOT even dare look at Him straight in the eye. try it, you infidel non believer, and see what happens.

    as you gaze into the Sun God, his powerful supernatural, rays will blind you in about 5 minutes. his power is undeniable and your blindness is the proof.

    so repent, all ye xtians. the proof is above you and there is no denying. the Sun God is the real god and owns all the lesser gods like jesus & allah. what other proof do you need?

  73. on 17 Nov 2012 at 7:55 am 73.Severin said …

    68 alex
    “just regenerate the motherfucking limb…”

    You are too demanding.

    Moving of a mountain from one place to another would satify me, as Jesus promissed it to be possible to ordinary people with strong faith.

  74. on 17 Nov 2012 at 11:48 am 74.Lou(DFW) said …

    69.The messenger said …

    “Is that Enough proof for you Lou?”

    Myths, legends, and stories are evidence only of your stupidity for presenting them as evidence. They aren’t evidence of god except to imbeciles such as yourself who believe them. Similar stories exist for other religions.

  75. on 17 Nov 2012 at 11:55 am 75.Lou(DFW) said …

    69.The messenger said …

    “Here is the proof of God.”

    You can’t seem to get it through your thick skull that your “evidence” for god is no different than your god delusion itself. They’re no different than using the bible as evidence.

  76. on 17 Nov 2012 at 3:28 pm 76.alex said …

    proof of The Sun God. gaze and be amazed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungazing

    beat that, hesus. the miracle is repeatable.

  77. on 17 Nov 2012 at 6:02 pm 77.The messenger said …

    71.alex are you stupid? I was talking about Christianity, not Islam.

    Are you brain dead?

  78. on 17 Nov 2012 at 6:18 pm 78.The messenger said …

    74.Lou(DFW) those events that I listed in comment 69 are not myths, they were witnessed by many people.

  79. on 17 Nov 2012 at 6:31 pm 79.The messenger said …

    73.Severin Jesus did not mean a litteral mountain. Jesus was saying that if a person keeps his faith in God he will be capable of achieving greatness.

    Why do you fail to understand this?

  80. on 18 Nov 2012 at 4:34 am 80.The messenger said …

    54.Lou(DFW) you fool. Dishonesty is not the foundation of religion. The foundation of religion is truth, kindness, forgiveness, generosity, and Jesus’s love for us.

    God forgives you brother, God loves you even when you don’t love him back.

  81. on 18 Nov 2012 at 7:50 am 81.Severin said …

    79 The messenger
    “73.Severin Jesus did not mean a litteral mountain. Jesus was saying that if a person keeps his faith in God he will be capable of achieving greatness.
    Why do you fail to understand this?”

    If you are interpreting Bible the way you please, giving meanings to its verses other then we all can clearly see written there, who has right to prevent me to interpret it MY way:

    The god of the Bible is not a literal god.

  82. on 18 Nov 2012 at 12:51 pm 82.Lou(DFW) said …

    80.The messenger said …

    “God forgives you brother, God loves you even when you don’t love him back.”

    First of all, I don’t want or need a god to love me.

    Second, am I not being sent to hell by god when I die?

  83. on 18 Nov 2012 at 1:17 pm 83.Lou(DFW) said …

    33.Crum said …

    “I wonder if they know prayer opens sessions of congress?”

    I wonder Crum understands that prayer doesn’t work:

    James Dobson Gives Away the Game, Admits the National Day of Prayer Task Force Prayed for Obama’s Defeat

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/dobson-admits-national-day-prayed-obama-defeat

  84. on 18 Nov 2012 at 1:43 pm 84.Lou(DFW) said …

    78.The messenger said …

    “74.Lou(DFW) those events that I listed in comment 69 are not myths, they were witnessed by many people.”

    First of all, I wrote “Myths, legends, and stories,” not simply “myths.”

    Second, thousands of people “witnessed” ET spacecraft, alien abduction, Loch Ness monster(s), Bigfoot, and JFK being shot on live TV, but none of it is real.

    Last, even when real events are witnessed, such eye-witness testimony is notoriously unreliable.

    Extraordinary claims (god), require extraordinary evidence – you haven’t presented anything but claims, not evidence. Your evidence is no better than the claim itself. You can continue to c & p the same old shit over and over – it won’t make it any more legitimate.

  85. on 18 Nov 2012 at 2:02 pm 85.The messenger said …

    81.Severin some parts of the bible are literal, some parts of if are metaphorical.
    When Jesus spoke about moving mountains he was being metaphorical.

    Brother, why do you fail to understand this?

  86. on 18 Nov 2012 at 2:09 pm 86.The messenger said …

    81.Severin our father appeared to me and told me the meanings of all the bible verses.

    Brother, no one is preventing you from interoperating the bible the way you want to. I am only trying to help you see the correct interpretation.

  87. on 18 Nov 2012 at 6:14 pm 87.Doug said …

    Dialoguing with atheist about a deity is pointless. They can’t get by their child-like simplicity of a Santa Claus who gives them everything they want.

    To answer an earlier inquiry why do atheist talk about a being they don’t believe exists? The desire is innate. They must talk about God because God points a sense of God in all humanity.

  88. on 18 Nov 2012 at 7:00 pm 88.The messenger said …

    82.Lou(DFW) I think that you will go to heaven when you die.

    As long as you live a kind, generous, forgiving, loving, peaceful life you will go to heaven.

  89. on 18 Nov 2012 at 7:14 pm 89.alex said …

    “why do atheist talk about a being they don’t believe exists?”

    because you motherfuckers are dangerous, arrogant, hateful, & dumb.

    1. dangerous – you wage war in the name of your god. conquistadores, crusades, et all.
    2. arrogant – you think you have a right to throw your xtian bullshit around. passing out bible shit, holding up god bullshit, constructing god bullshit in public places even though the scotus ruled against it.
    3. hateful – kkk, gay bashing, women hating, etc.
    4. dumb – see all of the above.

    please don’t even bring up that lenin, or hitler bullshit. review: they didn’t do their shit because they’re atheist. remember the virus? virus don’t kill because they’re atheists.

    you morons, on the other hand, are just dumbfucks.

  90. on 18 Nov 2012 at 7:23 pm 90.The messenger said …

    84.Lou(DFW) the lock ness monster, alien abductions, and Bigfoot are not real, they were witnessed by very few people. The miracle of the sun was witnessed by hundreds of people.

    Brother Lou, if the miracle of the sun was fake do you not think that at least one person would have said something about it? Everyone who witnessed this miracle claimed to have seen the sun move, not one person who was there denied this claim.

    I pray that you realize that this miracle is real.

  91. on 18 Nov 2012 at 7:23 pm 91.The messenger said …

    84.Lou(DFW) the lock ness monster, alien abductions, and Bigfoot are not real, they were witnessed by very few people. The miracle of the sun was witnessed by hundreds of people.

    Brother Lou, if the miracle of the sun was fake do you not think that at least one person would have said something about it? Everyone who witnessed this miracle claimed to have seen the sun move, not one person who was there denied this claim.

    I pray that you realize that this miracle is real. “

  92. on 18 Nov 2012 at 7:52 pm 92.Asher said …

    16th-century Spanish soldiers?

    SCOTUS ruled against passing out Bibles?

    Christians hate women? Really? But didn’t Dawkins just get in trouble for belittling woman and didn’t Mahr call women the c-word among many other names?

    alex what color is the sky in your world of delusion and hate?

  93. on 18 Nov 2012 at 8:27 pm 93.alex said …

    89.Asher said …

    i’ll play, motherfucker.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista.

    scotus, context dipshit. recent feb 29 this year.

    “Christians hate women? Really?” you dumbfuck. rape a virgin and you can pay off your crime! you fuckhead. why do you think romney got waxed with single women?

    “Dawkins just get in trouble for belittling woman” do i give a shit about dawkins? how the fuck does dawkins belittling women have anything to do with your god proof?

    once agaiiiyyn. your lame attempt to sidetrack and divert failed miserably. like your bullshit god.

    my delusion & hate? how many many times was foreskins mentioned in the bible. that’s sick. that’s your holy bullshit book! talking ass? that’s you. you swear on the bible that said the offerring of virgin daughters to prevent angels from being raped. that’s a pervert’s dream.

    even if i was 100% full of shit, it doesn’t change a damn thang about your bullshit god. sticks and stones motherfucker, your god is bullshit.

  94. on 18 Nov 2012 at 10:32 pm 94.The messenger said …

    89.alex, brother, please read this.

    Christians no longer wage war in the name of God, the only reason that occurred was because people who ruled countries during that time period were corrupt and hateful, the Christians who have government power in in this time period are kind, loving, generous, and humble.

    Christians of the mid evil time period allowed their hate and greed corrupt them.
    The Christians who live in this time period are kind, generous, loving, compassionate, peaceful people who are not corrupt.

    Christians are not arrogant. We have the right to express our beliefs just as you do.

    Christians are not hateful.

  95. on 18 Nov 2012 at 10:37 pm 95.The messenger said …

    Brother Alex, you are terribly misinformed.

    Christians are not hateful. The kkk are not true Christians. Christians are suppose to be peaceful, kind, generous, compassionate, loving, excepting people. The kkk disgrace our father and Christianity itself. They are not true Christians.

  96. on 18 Nov 2012 at 10:48 pm 96.The messenger said …

    92.Asher keep up the good work brother.

  97. on 23 Nov 2012 at 1:14 am 97.jeff the frozen canuck said …

    It seems to me by reading the comments on several of these postings that trying to use rational argument against religion is like trying to drill a hole to the center of the earth with a toothpick- a entirely futile undertaking. Just ignore the religious commentators on this blog instead of arguing with them, eventually they will go away. Besides their comments do not need a response, they are self-evidently idiotic.

  98. on 28 Feb 2013 at 10:50 pm 98.Matthew Delemos said …

    97.jeff the frozen canuck said …

    Indeed. There’s plenty of sites with stricter standards on who can post, and they have less wannabe preacher trash clogging up (mostly) rational discussions.

  99. on 04 Mar 2013 at 10:58 pm 99.NiceLittleRmaggedonUGthr said …

    I am a believer but of a different type. I actually think athiest are slimy, off-balanced people who you shouldn’t trust as far as you can kick them. But they can still make Christians think. A lot of Christians have got complacent. But we will all suffer persecution if we are true believers. Some times the best persecution is the persecution away from a life of complacency. We need to think. There is no way a athiest will ever defeat a true believer in an argument but they have their uses.

  100. on 04 Mar 2013 at 11:01 pm 100.NiceLittleRmaggedonUGthr said …

    Athiest claim we are speculative but what is more speculative than encouraging a race of men on earth to depend only on their mortal selves. On their finite resources. This is why God is allowing the resources on earth to dry up. Show them how stupid it is for a finite creature to depend on a finite source rather than the infinite. Totally irresponsible, Sacreligious really.

  101. on 05 Mar 2013 at 10:43 am 101.NiceLittleRmaggedonUGthr said …

    In other words one of your favourite digs to Christians is ‘Don’t Breed’.

    I am saying to you if are going to bring children into the world for them to depend on themselves and their mortal lives and on finite resources that is a crime. A crime against life and against the human soul.

    You really have no right to bring others to the earth if you have no real future for them, but only doom and disaster.

    So the joke is on you athiest. Don’t breed.

    And anyway why so determined to force others to take a deadend; rather than the wondrous road which leads to life everlasting? That’s representative to me of a sickness at best and it shows that you are tools of Satan at worst.

  102. on 06 Mar 2013 at 3:52 pm 102.NiceLittleRmaggedonUGthr said …

    I may not have said that quite right. But who cares about a finite world of finite creatures with no morals (and for me every true moral must find its genisis in the infinite,all knowing and all seeing god).

    The bombs in the nuclear arsenals await such a world. Not a big loss when you think about it deeply.

    No eternity : No meaning.

  103. on 10 Mar 2013 at 3:37 pm 103.Pheonix123 said …

    Can any one tell me how evolution explains the genders in human beings and heterosexual reproduction? How could a species be formed with different genders in it without the action of a Supra entity?

    Could someone also explain rationality. Are animals considered rational because they conform to set patterns of action and survival over centuries within their particular species? If so why do so many species die out based on climate change?

    Further is rationality about making the most profitable use of givens to exploit environments? If we have givens whether the given is a non-personal universe, an unamenable past or a zero space but the given is outside of the consious rational autonomy of the entity concerned does this mean that the given is indicative of a supra entity and does that mean that a question of faith is called up?

  104. on 10 Mar 2013 at 3:38 pm 104.Pheonix123 said …

    Lou? Severin? Anyone else?

  105. on 10 Mar 2013 at 3:54 pm 105.alex said …

    “Can any one tell me how evolution explains the genders in human beings and heterosexual reproduction?”

    you’re either a newbie or another troll. atheists don’t know everything. this is not whywontevolutionhealamputees.com, this is an atheist site. bullshit not allowed.

    every article in here refutes the bullshit. idiots like the curm, mess, and the s0l idiot, continually try to sidetrack the conversation, but their bullshit is always, always, ultimately called out.

    you got god proof? bring it.

  106. on 10 Mar 2013 at 4:17 pm 106.Mithra said …

    Creationism. WELL WHO OR WHAT CREATED A GOD OR GODS, AND, THEN, WHO OR WHAT CREATED THE CREATOR, SIMPLE?

  107. on 10 Mar 2013 at 5:39 pm 107.The messenger said …

    on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:00 pm 4.The messenger said …
    Mrs.Thomas, Christianity is not forced upon anyone. The reason that Christian symbols were put near the veteran’s memorial is because many of the solders who died in battle were Christian, the symbols were put there to honnor the fallen warriors and wish them peace in the after life. There is nothing wrong with that.
    The person who sued because of the symbols at the memorial is obviously a misguided wimp that gets upset over petty issues, he is dis honnering his fellow comrades by complaining about issues that do not effect him in any way. If he does not want to see the symbols he could simply not look at them instead of acting like an incompedent puss cake over a petty situation.
    TK

  108. on 10 Mar 2013 at 6:32 pm 108.DPK said …

    “103.Pheonix123 said …

    Can any one tell me how evolution explains the genders in human beings and heterosexual reproduction?”

    I’m sure an evolutionary biologist could give you some insights into that. Why don’t you find a biology professor at a real university and ask them instead of trolling here with stupid meaningless diversions?

  109. on 10 Mar 2013 at 10:07 pm 109.The messenger said …

    Mr. 108.DPK, his question was not a diversion.

    You failed to answer it!

  110. on 11 Mar 2013 at 1:41 am 110.DPK said …

    Oh sure it was. Why should I answer a question about evolutionary biology? I’m not a biologist, and this is not a biology forum. This is a forum that discusses god and religion in today’s world. Talking about evolution, the big bang, biogenesis, or whether someone donates to charity or not is a diversion, because it has nothing to do with god and religion.
    Your crazy ass assertions about god causing children to starve to death as part of his plan and praying to Saints so they put in a good word for you with god, IS about god and religion. So those statements, we always answer and point out how incredibly stupid they are. But the fact that I am not versed in the details of evolutionary biology doesn’t mean “god did it” anymore than the fact that I can’t explain exactly the tectonic forces and geothermal science involved in a volcano eruption means that Mambo the volcano god is responsible.
    Get over it William. For someone who claims that god talks to him, you are pretty clueless. You should pray to the Holy Spirit for enlightenment. You could use some. Bet he doesn’t answer that prayer either.
    Next.

  111. on 17 Mar 2013 at 1:40 am 111.Pheonix123 said …

    As much as I know if someone rammed Christianity down your throat that is the least of your worries for true Christianity is freedom.

    I moved towards my Bible in the persuasion that wisdom brings.

    I read it through in interest and enjoynment.

    I put it down in liberty.

    I reflected on it in satisfaction.

    I took from it light, healing and Salvation.

    The mind of man thinks many things; man makes many statements, life portrays many things; life makes many statements, the Bible is a huge collection of books that makes many statements. However it was bound together in integrity and infallible integrity. But the integrity of it; the statements of it tends to liberty and true liberty.

    Speak with a fair conscience; for the Bible says that:-

    Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

    The Bible is about love if a Polictricker does not have love he shall be caught in his craftiness. If a public servant does not have love he is a fraud, If a lover does not have love he/she is nothing but a viper, If a warrior does not have love he shall fall by his own meaness and be destroyed by his own weapons.

    The Bible teaches us let every man be persuaded in his own mind.

    The Bible says we must look into the perfect law of liberty.

    The Bible alone says that he that the son sets free is free indeed.

    If your atheism has not made you free you should know why.

    It is better to be first convicted to that which makes truely free

    Rather than:

    Be versed in retorics of liberation and enlightenment which is or turns out to be rather nothing but a snare and a bondage.

    Can a man who is truly in bondage war against an army of truly free men.

    He can: but who do you think will be the winners.

  112. on 17 Mar 2013 at 2:04 am 112.alex said …

    “I moved towards my Bible in the persuasion that wisdom brings.”

    such as:

    “There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.” – Ezekiel 23:20

    the bible is about bullshit. quit it.

  113. on 17 Mar 2013 at 5:13 am 113.Pheonix123 said …

    Where have I seen one of those four letter words you are so fond of using in the Bible the spirit of the word of God tends to life, light, salvation, freedom, purity it is the medicine for the soul.

    Your meditations are corrupt, they are the poison of the Evil one.

    They are paradoxes in Salvation that cannot be denied. But “it is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied”.

    Better to imbibe the chastisements of the Bible than the flattery of the impure and perverted.

    You are right about one thing the All-Powerful God-Life does in some sense represent weakness. 1 Corinthians 1:25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

    They are somethings the God-life cannot sustain as strong as it is. Hence these things must be outlawed and prohibited to the devotee. God seeks a chaste bride why should he be offered defilements. No straight thinking person would choose filth over purity. There is a place for those who do.

  114. on 17 Mar 2013 at 11:06 am 114.alex said …

    “They are paradoxes in Salvation that cannot be denied.”

    yet another self appointed translator/keeper of the bullshit book. get the fuck out of my face, you typical self-righteous bitch. motherfuckers like you have been told many times. keep that shit to yourself. the only ones afraid of your bullshit hell are dumbfucks. heaven is a fantasy joke. you and i will die and that’s it. everyone will cry because they’ll know that’s it. keep your shit to yourself.

  115. on 17 Mar 2013 at 1:37 pm 115.MrQ said …

    Phoenix says:

    “it is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied”.

    MrQ likes:

    “The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.” – GB Shaw

    “It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.” – Mark Twain

    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence.” – Bertrand Russell

    “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.” – Thomas Jefferson

  116. on 17 Mar 2013 at 2:52 pm 116.Pheonix123 said …

    What you say just makes you sound angry and confirms your ignorance. Why can’t you create your Godless existence without attacking the Bible. The Bible is still the foundation on which this world is built. It may contain some things which are bitter to the mouth, but those bitter pill to swallow are eventually liberation. Heaven, Hell what ever you want to call it the principle is the same. You pay now through seeking out your souls salvation, through righting your eternal destiny if you are wise or even vaguely not a callous individual and you get a chance to play later. You squander and deny the chance to right your souls salvation now and you pay the horrible penalty later.

  117. on 17 Mar 2013 at 3:17 pm 117.Pheonix123 said …

    Es así de sencillo

  118. on 17 Mar 2013 at 3:19 pm 118.alex said …

    “Why can’t you create your Godless existence without attacking the Bible.”

    why can’t you just wallow in your shit without getting it all over everybody? you wave and proclaim your pious, bullshit religion like it’s fact to everybody else. you know damn well, your religious shit is meaningless here, but yet you insist, insist, and insist. who’s the fucking hater?

    “confirms your ignorance”

    i’m a learned motherfucker and you don’t know shit about me. now, who’s the ignant one?

    “You squander and deny the chance to right your souls salvation now and you pay the horrible penalty later.”

    fuck you and your god? how’s that for brimstone?

  119. on 17 Mar 2013 at 3:21 pm 119.alex said …

    comer mierda y morir

  120. on 17 Mar 2013 at 4:20 pm 120.Anonymous said …

    The title of this blog entry is “Ramming Christianity down people’s throats”, Pheonix123 with his preaching and diversions demonstrates that effect nicely.

    Why can’t you create your Godless existence without attacking the Bible. The Bible is still the foundation on which this world is built

    You seem concerned that your bible can’t withstand critical examination. Why is that?

    The Bible is still the foundation on which this world is built

    What does that even mean? Please provide testable examples, rather than profound-sounding but empty assertions.

    You pay now through seeking out your souls salvation, through righting your eternal destiny if you are wise or even vaguely not a callous individual and you get a chance to play later.

    First, please define what a soul is; then demonstrate that one exists.

    Second, “eternal destiny”. Does this mean? That our lives are predestined, there is an eternal afterlife, or what? How do you know this to be true?

    Finally. So, if I am wise and not callous but do not believe in any god, am I destined to heaven, hell, or where? And, of course, how can you even know this?

  121. on 17 Mar 2013 at 5:42 pm 121.Severin said …

    #99
    ” But they (atheists) can still make Christians think.”

    Atheists also make Muslims think.

    But, Muslims also make Christians make Muslims think even more tan atheists do, and Muslims make Christians think.

    Then, one denomination of Christianity makes hundreds of other denominations of Christianity think, and v.v.

    What is your problem here?
    That you should THINK?

    It would be nice if you began thinking, but I am afraid we will wait for it few more centuries.

  122. on 17 Mar 2013 at 5:43 pm 122.Severin said …

    Sorry:
    But, Muslims also make Christians think even more than atheists do, and Muslims make Christians think.

    Then, …

  123. on 17 Mar 2013 at 5:57 pm 123.Severin said …

    #113
    “Your meditations are corrupt, they are the poison of the Evil one.”

    Ha, ha, ha, …

    One who SHOWS idiocy is an idiot, NOT the idiot who wrote it!
    One who discovers glamurous bullshits is corrupt, not the bullshit writer who wrote it!
    One who shows evil is evil, not the one who does it!

    Kill the messenger who brings bad news, and bad news will dissapear!

    “The Bible is still the foundation on which this world is built.”
    If the Bible is THAT for you, I would not like to meet you somewhere in a dark and lonely place.

    Can you kindly give me some exact examples of verses form Bible that make you consider it “the foundation on which this world is built”?

    PLEASE!

  124. on 17 Mar 2013 at 6:17 pm 124.The messenger said …

    on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:00 pm 4.The messenger said …
    Mrs.Thomas, Christianity is not forced upon anyone. The reason that Christian symbols were put near the veteran’s memorial is because many of the solders who died in battle were Christian, the symbols were put there to honnor the fallen warriors and wish them peace in the after life. There is nothing wrong with that.
    The person who sued because of the symbols at the memorial is obviously a misguided wimp that gets upset over petty issues, he is dis honnering his fellow comrades by complaining about issues that do not effect him in any way. If he does not want to see the symbols he could simply not look at them instead of acting like an incompedent puss cake over a petty situation.
    ….,,,

  125. on 17 Mar 2013 at 6:22 pm 125.The messenger said …

    123.Severin, God is the foundation of everything. He created everything, and the bible is his word on Earth. The bible is a record of his teachings.

    That is the proof.

  126. on 18 Mar 2013 at 12:54 am 126.alex said …

    messenger, nongratis #2 and counting….

  127. on 18 Jul 2014 at 5:20 am 127.2Dumb4WordsofGod said …

    Why would God heal amputees when he is responsible for cutting off the limbs in the first place?

  128. on 18 Jul 2014 at 5:21 am 128.2Dumb4WordsofGod said …

    As I understand it it is Gods world any way to do what he wants. When the limb is cut off it is not the amputees limb it is God’s limb. It is his property to cut it off or not.

  129. on 18 Jul 2014 at 5:24 am 129.2Dumb4WordsofGod said …

    All life is relative. There are some guys out there so fit that they make me feel like amputees.

  130. on 18 Jul 2014 at 5:25 am 130.2Dumb4WordsofGod said …

    God doesn’t even help me brush my teeth but I still love him and keep my radio locked on the Christian Radio.

    And read my bible till it is all crumply.

  131. on 18 Jul 2014 at 5:28 am 131.2Dumb4WordsofGod said …

    Subtle Snare of the Mind You Guys Watch it; Blaming God.

  132. on 18 Jul 2014 at 5:32 am 132.2Dumb4WordsofGod said …

    Of course God helps me to brush my teeth but that is a different way from the way you guys are thinking.

    Everything we have comes from God and everything we do we do it with the help of God.

    You are being cheeky.

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