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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 02 Nov 2012 12:20 am

Pure delusion, plain and simple

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Where does this level of delusion come from?

154 Responses to “Pure delusion, plain and simple”

  1. on 02 Nov 2012 at 4:11 pm 1.The messenger said …

    All Mitt Romney is saying is that he understand his church better than Mr. Jan does.

    Their is no delusion in that.

    Stop posting this crap Mr. Thomas.

  2. on 02 Nov 2012 at 4:11 pm 2.The messenger said …

    on 02 Nov 2012 at 4:11 pm 1.The messenger said … Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    All Mitt Romney is saying is that he understand his church better than Mr. Jan does.
    Their is no delusion in that.
    Stop posting this crap Mr. Thomas.

  3. on 03 Nov 2012 at 4:25 am 3.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Messenger, you’re an idiot. The very fact that Romney is a Mormon is the reason why he is delusional.

    Looks like your ability to think rationally mirrors your ability to post comments correctly. Good job.

  4. on 03 Nov 2012 at 10:50 am 4.Jesus is Lord said …

    Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:

    “Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!”

    Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and Mark 16:16.

    Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all eternity. What sort of love is that?

    The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus’ core message should make it obvious to you: God is imaginary.

    All I can do is pray for your soul with love and hope you can overcome the insanity of your convictions in Jesus name Amen

  5. on 03 Nov 2012 at 12:47 pm 5.alex said …

    “All Mitt Romney is saying is that he understand his church better than Mr. Jan does.”

    all ima sayin is that i understand my genie in a bottle than all you mofos. i aint deloosional. me and mitt, all we’re sayin, is that we just doin our own thang and you peeps are crazy and we’re not.

    besides, me and mitt be representin the maynstream. that colored guy in the wyhte house, he the mooslim. do sumthin about him. he liable to blowed up the whole coontry.

  6. on 03 Nov 2012 at 3:10 pm 6.The messenger said …

    4.Jesus is Lord the body and blood thing is symbolic.

    It symbolizes letting God and his teachings into your soul.

  7. on 03 Nov 2012 at 3:30 pm 7.The messenger said …

    4.Jesus is Lord God will not destroy us if we do not worship him, God loves us even if we do not love him.

    Stop spreading lies.

  8. on 03 Nov 2012 at 9:01 pm 8.DPK said …

    You are catholic, no? You do not even know the tenants of your own faith? During mass, you must believe that the bread and wine is transformed into the ACTUAL… Not symbolic, the actual, literal body and blood of Jesus. You must believe this or you are not a catholic. It is not symbolic, according to the canon of the Catholic Church, it is an article of faith. Look it up. You are a fraud. You don’t even understand your own faith, and you are here trying to convince others. How laughable.

  9. on 04 Nov 2012 at 12:55 am 9.The messenger said …

    8.DPK you know nothing of my faith.

    The blood and bread is symbolic, it symbolizes letting God, his teachings, and his love into our hearts and souls.

    I do not know where you get your information from, but who ever is telling you those lies must be very stupid.

  10. on 04 Nov 2012 at 1:09 am 10.The messenger said …

    DPK I have been going to Church for many years now. I have been taught by many Catholic Priests that the Holy Communion( the bread and wine) is a symbolic ceremony, not a literal one.

  11. on 04 Nov 2012 at 2:34 am 11.Anonymous said …

    Then, as I said, you don’t even know the doctrines of your own faith… you are a fraud. hahahaha… idiot. You have disavowed a fundamental doctrine of faith of the church. You are not a Catholic… so I guess you’re going to hell…… ! Oh shit!!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

    http://christianity.about.com/od/glossary/g/transubstantiat.htm

  12. on 04 Nov 2012 at 2:37 am 12.Anonymous said …

    From messenger’s favorite source of “proof”

    Believing that Christ is risen from the dead and is alive, the Catholic Church holds that when the bread is changed into his body, not only his body is present, but Christ as a whole is present (i.e. body and blood, soul and divinity.) The same holds for the wine changed into his blood.[43] This belief goes beyond the doctrine of transubstantiation, which directly concerns only the transformation of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.

    In accordance with this belief that Christ is really, truly and substantially present under the remaining appearances of bread and wine, and continues to be present as long as those appearances remain, the Catholic Church preserves the consecrated elements, generally in a church tabernacle, for administering Holy Communion to the sick and dying, and also for the secondary, but still highly prized, purpose of adoring Christ present in the Eucharist.

    The Roman Catholic Church considers the doctrine of transubstantiation to be concerned with what is changed, and not how the change occurs; it teaches that the accidents that remain are real, not an illusion, and that Christ is “really, truly, and substantially present” in the Eucharist.[44] To touch the smallest particle of the host or the smallest droplet from the chalice is to touch Jesus Christ himself, as when one person touches another on the back of the hand with only a fingertip and in so doing touches not merely a few skin cells but touches the whole person: “Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and whole and entire in each of their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ.”

    Poor Messenger, he’s been called before on his lack of knowledge of the faith that he pretends to hold. So, at this point, we either have a very uneducated troll. Or, we have a Catholic who is so wrong in his theology that, surely, by his denying key aspects of his “faith” he must now accept that he will be excommunicated and his god may well condemn him to suffer in hell for eternity.

    Lucky for messenger, he’s only pretending to be a Catholic and his god is imaginary.

    “denieth, that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue” and anyone who “saith, that, in the sacred and holy sacrament of the Eucharist, the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denieth that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood – the species only of the bread and wine remaining – which conversion indeed the Catholic Church most aptly calls Transubstantiation, let him be anathema”.

  13. on 04 Nov 2012 at 2:43 am 13.alex said …

    I gots it finally! most of the bible is symbolic bullshit. the rest is literal, like hating, enslaving etc. attributes that theist fuckers hold dear in their heart.

  14. on 04 Nov 2012 at 7:33 am 14.DPK said …

    Funny how, once again, it seems that the atheists here know more about the bible and the actual doctrines of religious faiths than the believers do!
    Messenger, know what actually cemented my belief that god is imaginary? I read the bible…. The whole thing, cover to cover.
    Have you actually read the bible, messenger? Or have you only heardborbreadbthebpartsbthey spoon feed you at church and bible study in between collections?

  15. on 04 Nov 2012 at 7:35 am 15.DPK said …

    Wtf?? Damn auto correct. That should have said, “or have you only heard or read the parts they spoon feed you….”

  16. on 04 Nov 2012 at 1:37 pm 16.Anonymous said …

    14.DPK – No shit. Except that Messenger isn’t a Catholic; he’s a troll. We need to stop indulging him as his purpose here is disruption.

    Sadly, it seems that the majority of the posts claiming to represent the theist perspective do nothing but attempt to divert the conversation or bury existing topics under a mound of invective. It would seem that it’s a deliberate attempt to prevent debate.

  17. on 04 Nov 2012 at 2:20 pm 17.Slapnuts McGee said …

    14.DPK

    It’s ok, DPK. Any religious person knows that you were actually briefly overtaken by the holy ghost and as a result you were speaking in tongues there.

  18. on 04 Nov 2012 at 3:07 pm 18.DPK said …

    Having been raised catholic, I think that messenger is in fact, among the legions of brainless zombie worshipers the Catholic Church actually cultivates. Keep them stupid, in fear, and subjugated to authority and they will provide an endless source of tax free cash. Truly astounding how many Catholics have NO I DEA what is actually in their holy book that they profess to be the literal word of god, nor do they know many of the tenants of their own faith. Many Catholics, like messenger, find it ridiculous when you tell them the catholic doctrine that they must accept says that during consecration, the bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of Jesus. They must then eat it, (and of course, shit it out in the next day or two…. Hahaha).
    If you do not accept this as a fact, you are not a Catholic. Period.

  19. on 04 Nov 2012 at 3:17 pm 19.The messenger said …

    11.Anonymous you do not have to be a Catholic to go to Heaven.

  20. on 04 Nov 2012 at 3:20 pm 20.The messenger said …

    14.DPK I have read the bible and I know for a fact that God is real, and yes I have read the bible cover to cover, and I know for a fact that some of it is litteral and some of it is metaphorical, how long will it take for you simple minded fool to understand this one simple fact.

  21. on 04 Nov 2012 at 3:25 pm 21.The messenger said …

    12.Anonymous when that text states that God is with them, it does not mean that the bread and wine have actually transformed into his body and blood, it actually means that God is with us and we are letting him into our hearts and souls.

  22. on 04 Nov 2012 at 3:29 pm 22.The messenger said …

    13.alex you are such a mindless fool, the bible does not teach us to hate or enslave anyone, it teaches us that Fod loves us and he wants us to treat others with love and kindness.

    I pitty you for misunderstanding the bible.

  23. on 04 Nov 2012 at 3:33 pm 23.The messenger said …

    13.alex said in comment thirteen-(I gots it finally).

    Are you mentally incapable of using correct grammar?

    Apparently so.

  24. on 04 Nov 2012 at 3:37 pm 24.The messenger said …

    17.Slapnuts McGee no, DPK was not taken over by the Holy Ghost, if the Holy Ghost did take him over he would have typed correctly. Instead he was taken over by his insain stupidity and arrogance.

  25. on 04 Nov 2012 at 5:00 pm 25.Anonymous said …

    At least my Episcopalian friends freely admit that they pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe and which parts to ignore. That they think that that has any basis in reality in terms of some arbitrary definition of “truth”, is a subject for another conversation.

    In terms of messed up, I’ve pointed out to him other comments where he is divergent from Catholic dogma but he never responds. He also goes to Mormon resources which is another contradiction. I still think he’s deliberately posting nonsense argument in order to bait people, but it’s a thin line between deliberate pseudo-religious nonsense and earnestly held religious beliefs a la Poe.

  26. on 04 Nov 2012 at 5:09 pm 26.Anonymous said …

    17-your’s was a joke of course, but I know people who developed significant psychological issues because they thought that there was something wrong with them precisely because they didn’t speak in tongues at meetings, whereas others did.

    Religion is some seriously scary shit.

  27. on 04 Nov 2012 at 7:27 pm 27.Mvick said …

    “Then, as I said, you don’t even know the doctrines of your own faith… you are a fraud. hahahaha…”

    Anonymous I am not Catholic but do you realize there are many more branches of Catholicism that Roman? Do you realize some of them are of the belief in Substantiation and some even resemble Evangelicals?

  28. on 05 Nov 2012 at 2:31 am 28.CastBound said …

    Mvick,

    If these guys knew just half if what they thought they knew they would be dangerous. These young guys think they know everything and of course they know next to nothing. My son’s fiancé’ is an Evangelical Catholic. That might make Anony-mouse’s head explode. Maybe when his mom lets him back on the computer he will learn something. Lol!

    I had a student ask me tonight if he became an atheist what moral code should he follow. My only response was that every atheist does what is right in his own eyes or they steal a code from a religious group. He was smart enough to see the problems with such logic.

  29. on 05 Nov 2012 at 3:35 am 29.Anonymous said …

    16- “Sadly, it seems that the majority of the posts claiming to represent the theist perspective do nothing but attempt to divert the conversation or bury existing topics under a mound of invective. It would seem that it’s a deliberate attempt to prevent debate” –

    point proven, and it seems that CastBound just got his sock-puppet persona mixed up – again.

    Now where where we? Oh yes, delusional xtians.

  30. on 05 Nov 2012 at 4:51 am 30.DPK said …

    Anonymous I am not Catholic but do you realize there are many more branches of Catholicism that Roman? Do you realize some of them are of the belief in Substantiation and some even resemble Evangelicals?

    And which of them is true?

  31. on 05 Nov 2012 at 5:46 am 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    28.Castout said …

    “If these guys knew just half if what they thought they knew they would be dangerous.”

    Show us what you “know,” don’t tell us – liar.

  32. on 05 Nov 2012 at 4:44 pm 32.DPK said …

    28.CastBound said …

    “If these guys knew just half if what they thought they knew they would be dangerous. These young guys think they know everything and of course they know next to nothing. My son’s fiancé’ is an Evangelical Catholic. That might make Anony-mouse’s head explode.”

    You are right there, CastAway….

    “The term Evangelical Catholic is used by Christians who consider themselves both “catholic” and “evangelical” (meaning “gospel centered”). Evangelical Catholic (catholic is the noun with evangelical modifying) can refer to: evangelical Protestant Christians who consider themselves catholic Christians that identify with the historic Christian Church, who believe that the early ecumenical councils and the Protestant Reformation were both part of the progressive illumination of the Holy Spirit; Roman Catholics who, in continuity with the long tradition of the Church and empowered by the “The New Evangelization” stress the centrality and salvific universality of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the necessity of proclaiming it. Evangelical Catholics usually refers to Latin Rite Roman Catholics, but may also include Eastern Rite Catholic Churches or other churches that are not Roman Catholic, mainly Anglican, Lutheran, and Methodist.”

    Well… that certainly clears that up…. hahahaha…
    That’s sure to make anyone’s head explode, and demonstrate the silliness of religious doctrine. Talk about people claiming to know what they don’t actually know! That is the very founding principal of religious doctrine. Make shit up and claim to “know” it’s true.
    And since this information was presented as an “explanation” as to why Roman Catholics consider the Eucharist to be the actual body and blood of Jesus, but messenger disavows that doctrine and says it is merely symbolic… I’m still waiting for an answer. Which of the THOUSANDS of different christian sects, or even with of the hundreds of Catholic sects, is actually RIGHT? Because they can’t all be correct because they disagree on fundamental issues.
    CastAway… thanks for making my point so crystal clear.

  33. on 05 Nov 2012 at 8:19 pm 33.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.Anonymous said …

    “…it seems that CastBound just got his sock-puppet persona mixed up – again.”

    Are you referring to “28.CastBound said …
    I had a student ask me tonight if he became an atheist what moral code should he follow?”

  34. on 05 Nov 2012 at 8:40 pm 34.DPK said …

    28.CastBound said …

    “I had a student ask me tonight if he became an atheist what moral code should he follow…”

    Ok then, if I became a Christian what moral code should I follow? Please be specific and point me to this specific moral code so we can discuss it.
    This should be good……….

  35. on 05 Nov 2012 at 8:50 pm 35.DPK said …

    21.The messenger said …

    12.Anonymous when that text states that God is with them, it does not mean that the bread and wine have actually transformed into his body and blood, it actually means that God is with us and we are letting him into our hearts and souls.

    Wrong: Here is what the Catholic Church says:

    “Paragraph 1376 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) states,

    The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: “Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation (CCC, 1376).”

    You may apologize to me at any time Messenger. It would be the christian thing to do. Admit you are wrong… then go flog yourself for being a sinner. BTW.. since you have publicly refuted a basic tenant of Catholic doctrine.. you are excommunicated and condemned to hell. Sucks to be on the other side of the finger pointing, huh? hahahahahaha

  36. on 05 Nov 2012 at 8:51 pm 36.A said …

    mvick

    Great job cutting anony down to size. Let us recap. He tells another poster he doesn’t understand his own beliefs. You set him straight and he then goes on to say the thread is off topic! ha ha ha

    Its always off topic when they get showed up.

    Now DPK when challenged on atheist morals refuses to provide a reasonable answer but instead asks a stupid question.

    Let me answer for them. Richard Dawkins in his book claims no absolute morality while proceeding to claim case by case absolute morality all throughout his book. That should explain the nonsense of atheist morality.

  37. on 05 Nov 2012 at 9:29 pm 37.The messenger said …

    35.DPK you idiot. They are talking about God in his spirit form, not his human form.

    It is metaphorical.
    Just how stupid are you,

  38. on 05 Nov 2012 at 9:58 pm 38.Lou(DFW) said …

    36.ASS said …

    “Great job cutting anony down to size.”

    First of all, he did no such thing. If anything, DPK completely carved-up his nonsense about evangelical catholics – a comment you don’t have the balls to reply. You are only competent at fluffing. Second, you wouldn’t know a “great job” from your ass. When have you ever performed a great job? You never do it here. But, for the sake of discussion, let’s assume he did that. So what? How is it evidence for your imaginary god that you NEVER, EVER provide evidence?

    “Its always off topic when they get showed up.”

    Liar – he never wrote that it was off-topic nor did he imply it.

    “Now DPK when challenged on atheist morals refuses to provide a reasonable answer but instead asks a stupid question.”

    Again, liar, there’s no such thing as “atheist morals” to challenge. And in your case, apparently there’s no such thing as xtian morals.

    “Let me answer for them.”

    Except that you didn’t answer anything – you only made an unsubstantiated claim.

    “Richard Dawkins in his book claims no absolute morality while proceeding to claim case by case absolute morality all throughout his book.”

    Show us. Until you do, you remain, as always, a theist liar. You won’t answer, coward.

  39. on 05 Nov 2012 at 10:01 pm 39.DPK said …

    36.A lies by saying …

    mvick

    “Great job cutting anony down to size. Let us recap. He tells another poster he doesn’t understand his own beliefs.”
    What I said was his professed beliefs contradict that of the Roman Catholic Church, of which he professes to be a member. I never said he didn’t understand his own beliefs… lie #1.

    “You set him straight and he then goes on to say the thread is off topic! ha ha ha”

    Show me where I said the thread is off topic. Lie #2. I asked which Catholic sect was correct. I received no answer… so much for being “set straight” Lie #3.

    “Its always off topic when they get showed up.”

    But we notice that you haven’t answered ANY of the questions… as usual.

    “Now DPK when challenged on atheist morals refuses to provide a reasonable answer but instead asks a stupid question.”

    Where was I “challenged” on atheist morals? That is lie #4… and I agree that asking directly where I can find “Christian morals” is a stupid question. Stupid because you cannot direct me to such a thing, because it does not exist. If it did, you would have simply provided them instead of making up lies to divert attention.

    “Let me answer for them.”

    No one needs you to “answer for them”. The only answer we are interested in is why you have never provided any evidence that the god you claim is real, actually exists.

  40. on 05 Nov 2012 at 10:38 pm 40.Anonymous said …

    33.Lou(DFW) – Yes.

    As for the Asstrophysicist who demands that others produce their credentials, even though he wont; and who also calls people out for not posting their real name, even though he won’t; and who also criticizes those that do publish their name, even though he won’t; and complains when people try to get him back on the subject, even though he won’t; seriously, come on – do you think that a tirade from a fraud like you is viewed as anything other than more examples of your evidence-free bluster? Perhaps you really are a bully in real life, we neither know nor care, but that attitude won’t win you admirers here – other than your other-self sock-puppets, of course.

    Now, all he (Ass) need do to end this debate and to obtain absolute victory is to prove that this god of his is real and not imaginary. If he had proof he’d provide it in an heartbeat… but his god isn’t real, so he won’t.

  41. on 06 Nov 2012 at 12:00 am 41.The messenger said …

    39.DPK I do understand my beliefs, you obviously are not mentally capable of comprehending them, that is the reason I have extreme pitty for you.

    All that I know about our Father was taught to me by himself and his priests, specifically the Preists of the Roman Catholic Church named “ST. James”.

  42. on 06 Nov 2012 at 12:11 am 42.The messenger said …

    DPK, I regret calling you an incompedent idiot.

    That is the only thing that I regret.

  43. on 06 Nov 2012 at 1:50 pm 43.freddies_dead said …

    28.CastBound said …

    I had a student ask me tonight if he became an atheist what moral code should he follow. My only response was that every atheist does what is right in his own eyes or they steal a code from a religious group.

    CastBound, even though this was only a fantasy conversation that you made up for effect, you know when that imaginary kid laughed at what you had said? He was still laughing AT you, not WITH you.

  44. on 06 Nov 2012 at 2:50 pm 44.Anonymous said …

    An interesting point is emerging from some of these comments:

    It’s more important for someone to think that they are a Christian than to think as a Christian should.

    Bizarre. It’s simply bizarre.

  45. on 06 Nov 2012 at 7:14 pm 45.Xenon said …

    Castbound,

    The last verse in Judges reflects their moral outlook. A wise student you have there.

  46. on 06 Nov 2012 at 8:00 pm 46.Lou(DFW) said …

    45.Xenonsense said …

    “The last verse in Judges reflects their moral outlook.”

    Being what?

  47. on 06 Nov 2012 at 8:48 pm 47.The messenger said …

    on 06 Nov 2012 at 12:00 am 41.The messenger said …
    39.DPK I do understand my beliefs, you obviously are not mentally capable of comprehending them, that is the reason I have extreme pitty for you.
    All that I know about our Father was taught to me by himself and his priests, specifically the Preists of the Roman Catholic Church named “ST. James”.

  48. on 06 Nov 2012 at 8:52 pm 48.JALindsay said …

    The nineteenth verse in the first chapter of Judges reflects the reality of God and technology. Pretty awesome.

  49. on 07 Nov 2012 at 12:33 am 49.Severin said …

    45 Xenon
    “The last verse in Judges reflects their moral outlook.”

    Which verses from Bible reflect your moral outlook?

    Please be specific.

    All Christians claim Bible is the source of their morality, their moral guidance, but none of them EVER points any specific verse that we could accept as moral code in our lives.

    You have your opportunity now.
    If you don’t give us your answer, and I, myself, can’t find any, can we logically accept that there is NO moral codes to recommend in Bible.

  50. on 07 Nov 2012 at 2:30 am 50.The messenger said …

    49.Severin the entire bible is his source of moral guidance. Not just a few verses.

  51. on 07 Nov 2012 at 12:40 pm 51.Lou(DFW) said …

    So much for Mitt’s magic underwear!

    When are you deluded xtians EVER going to understand that your religion, just like Mitt’s, is malarkey?

  52. on 07 Nov 2012 at 1:14 pm 52.Anonymous said …

    No, no, no, You just don’t understand. Romney’s god is going to act through Obama. He’s that powerful. Really he is.

    It would have been too easy to get Romney elected and that could have been construed to be proof. Gods don’t allow first hand proof – well, not since we got recording devices anyway. Why don’t you know this?

    How can you be so stupid as to not to understand this?

  53. on 08 Nov 2012 at 12:21 am 53.SmartGirl said …

    This site is a joke : ) If you had even a mustard see of faith you wouldn’t be so angry that you felt as though you needed to make a site like this. Sure…the Old Testament is pretty whack with duplicate stories/multiple authors so on and so forth. But once you clear away all the clutter, and see what the message is really trying to say and point towards you will see the light and the truth. It’s a simple concept, and once God has reached out and grabbed you…that’s it…it is done and your His. There isn’t anything that we can do in our human power/talents/abilities to earn this position…He has to choose you. And when He does, there is NO mistaking it. I have experienced His love/faithfulness/forgiveness/mercy and grace in my life, and in my younger years and even currently I have seen how Satan’s power is real and exists in a very powerful way. You can’t test God…you can’t say if you are real, then show yourself in “this” way. God doesn’t work that way and if you become familiar with the scripture of both the O.T. and New Testament you will have an answer for everything. God’s real people! I challenge you to seek him through prayer… You don’t need to read the Bible, or do anything special. Just pray…tell Him that you are doubting His very existence, and ask Him for help. Pray like you mean it…like you really want to understand. I am guessing that you are possibly gay…I have no idea…but just guessing because of some things on this site…and if you are…sure the O.T. addresses that (and many other situations) in very harsh ways. But the beauty of it is the fulfillment of prophecy of Jesus Christ. We all suck as humans, and there is just no way around that. Someone who murders is as bad as someone who talks trash on the guy next door. But through Jesus we have forgiveness. We are what we are, and we are set free in Jesus. It doesn’t mean that we are set free of our obligations to follow God’s law spoken to Moses (the 10 Commandments), but God knows that we can’t keep His law. Put away all this bitterness and just try to seek God. He loves you as you are…unconditionally! Why waste your life hating, when you could just be happy and on good terms with all people! I hope that you find the true meaning of JOY and that God blesses your life and sets you free : ) Steadfast in the Lord! SmartGirl…who LOVES Jesus and what he did for all of us!!!

  54. on 08 Nov 2012 at 12:33 am 54.SmartGirl said …

    And…as far as God healing amputees…God has the ability to heal everyone and anyone that he wants to-but He doesn’t and nobody can say why. But perhaps He wants to use you to do a work in other people’s lives. Maybe He allows you to be where you are because He knows that you are strong, and courageous, with perseverance in everything you do. That you can handle the cards that life dealt you and help to inspire and encourage others in similar situations. There are amazing stories out there about people who have lost a limb from various different incidents…be one of those people. Don’t sit around being bitter about life when the very fact that you are still alive and breathing is a miracle. Life is what you make, it always has been and always will be. So quit stewing and feeding your anger…and do something that makes a difference. Volunteer to spend time with terminally ill children at your local children’s hospital so that they might find comfort in your regular visits. Being an amputee is not the worst card that life could have dealt you!!! Look outside the box because you were given a chance to live, and others are not. It is a blessing that you are where you are! And even though I don’t know who you are…I thank Go for your life!!!

  55. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:02 am 55.JALindsay said …

    Oh, SmartGirl, who believes in God but not carriage returns and paragraphs, launches a shut-up-that’s-why with strawman twist at us. I wonder if she’s smart enough to know that we’re only angry at having to hear this same lame crap approximately once every other week.

  56. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:05 am 56.JALindsay said …

    Correction: We’re also angry that people are using a religion that they can’t actually justify in a way that allows candidates to high offices to stand up and say things like that rape-babies are gifts from God and part of what God intended (which has to include the rape, however much doublespeak they use two days later when they realize people aren’t all as stupid as they) and do ridiculous things like try to shunt science education because it threatens their precious beliefs which would do just fine against the science if they could actually be supported by evidence.

    We’re angry for many more reasons too, but we’re angry at people–stupid, supremacist people–not at some fiction from the Bronze Age that those people sing and dance and yell and shoot about.

  57. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:35 am 57.The messenger said …

    56.JALindsay all children are gifts of God. Regardless of how the parent mate.

  58. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:52 am 58.The messenger said …

    on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:02 am 55.JALindsay once again you have chosen to insult people instead of debating with them, you are a fool.

    Back off Lindsay.

  59. on 08 Nov 2012 at 2:53 am 59.Anonymous said …

    56. Dear Rape Victim, the child you are now carrying against your will is a gift from me, your god. Thank you for your service. Love and kisses – Yahweh.

  60. on 08 Nov 2012 at 3:13 am 60.Asher said …

    Ironically, I have a brother two years younger than me who was conceived through rape. In fact, my mother was raped by the same man twice. My brother is now 48 years old. My mother does consider him a blessing.

    Anonymous, you are an idiot for joking around about something so serious and something you have no clue about.

    It is better to keep your mouth shut and lets us assume you are an idiot.

  61. on 08 Nov 2012 at 3:17 am 61.Asher said …

    Smartgirl,

    The site is a joke for entertainment purposes only. It is also a great tool to show young people atheism is illogical and unreasonable.

  62. on 08 Nov 2012 at 3:28 am 62.Anonymous said …

    Asher, enough of the pretend sob stories. Provide the evidence for your god.

  63. on 08 Nov 2012 at 3:41 am 63.alex said …

    “My mother does consider him a blessing.”

    Who cares about your brother? If a woman is raped and wants an abortion, how is that your business?

    “The site is a joke for entertainment purposes only.”

    For pure stand up joke material, where do comics get their source? From the bible of course! When was the last time you’ve been at a club and the dude’s act featured atheism? No? It’s because atheism is real, serious, and not at all funny.

    A mormon, a catholic, a muslim and an atheist are all standing side by side. Who do you think Leno will joke about?

  64. on 08 Nov 2012 at 4:06 am 64.Lou(DFW) said …

    58.Asher said …

    “Ironically….”

    Asher, why is it that you ASS, and Dizzy all like to use “ironically” in so many of your idiotic comments?

    “I have a brother two years younger than me who was conceived through rape. In fact, my mother was raped by the same man twice. My brother is now 48 years old. My mother does consider him a blessing.”

    So what? Does that mean that the rape was intended by some imaginary god?

  65. on 08 Nov 2012 at 4:08 am 65.Lou(DFW) said …

    58.Asher said …

    “It is better to keep your mouth shut and lets us assume you are an idiot.”

    As opposed to you regularly demonstrating that you are without us assuming anything about you?

  66. on 08 Nov 2012 at 4:11 am 66.Lou(DFW) said …

    59.Asher said …

    “The site is a joke for entertainment purposes only.”

    One that you use for your sock-puppet show.

    “It is also a great tool to show young people atheism is illogical and unreasonable.”

    Except that you NEVER, EVER show anybody any such thing. “Atheism” isn’t an “ism.” It’s simply a rejection of your superstitious belief. It can’t be illogical and unreasonable unless you can demonstrate the your imaginary god is real. You haven’t done that – we’re waiting.

  67. on 08 Nov 2012 at 5:47 am 67.SmartGirl said …

    The love of God cannot be taught, it must be caught. HE hasn’t hand picked you yet. It’s not about your works, or your accomplishments. As far as rape victims go, I wouldn’t say God says “here’s a gift to you”. It doesn’t say anything about that in the Bible actually. There is no answer. But abortion is wrong because murder is wrong. Conception is at the very moment the sperm hits the egg. You can’t go around killing people on the street so why it okay to murder and unborn innocent child inside your body…?

  68. on 08 Nov 2012 at 5:49 am 68.SmartGirl said …

    Atheism is nothingness…WOW…there is a lot of JOY in that!

  69. on 08 Nov 2012 at 5:55 am 69.SmartGirl said …

    Lou…where do you go to find hope? When you are an atheist you have no hope in anything… Life would be pretty unsatisfying and depressing there.

    All this anger on here is awful…and you don’t need to live with anger when you have God…I’m sorry that your lives are SO consumed by this : (

  70. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:11 pm 70.Lou(DFW) said …

    67.SmartGirl said …

    “Lou…where do you go to find hope?”

    Hope for what?

    “When you are an atheist you have no hope in anything”

    Let’s assume that’s true. So what? What does that have to do with a belief in an imaginary god?

  71. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:12 pm 71.Lou(DFW) said …

    67.SmartGirl said …

    “All this anger on here is awful…and you don’t need to live with anger when you have God…I’m sorry that your lives are SO consumed by this”

    http://www.memphisflyer.com/binary/1c02/1325868442-god_hates_fags-400×273.jpg

  72. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:16 pm 72.Lou(DFW) said …

    66.SmartGirl said …

    “Atheism is nothingness…”

    That’s not what I wrote. There’s no such thing as “atheism” in the same sense as theism.

    “WOW…there is a lot of JOY in that!”

    You’re just full of b.s. non-sequiturs, aren’t you?

    There’s no “JOY” in aleprechaunism, either. Do you ever have a point?

  73. on 08 Nov 2012 at 3:58 pm 73.Anonymous said …

    70. SmartGirl appears to be arguing that she would rather believe that her beliefs are true, because that gives her “hope”. It’s an argument from fear. Why she finds life hopeless wIthout an imaginary friend is an issue she is trying to foist onto others.

  74. on 08 Nov 2012 at 5:00 pm 74.DPK said …

    Like an alcoholic who can’t understand how anyone can possibly go day to day without a drink or 10, Smartgirl offers the last resort of the deluded believers.

    If your life is truly meaningless without an imaginary friend to offer your some sort of hope in a promised reward… well, how very sad for you.

    Just because others do not share in your addiction, or your fear of death, or whatever it is that so terrifies you about the idea that there isn’t actually an invisible, magical sky-daddy watching over you and making it so you get to live forever doesn’t make your claims about gods actually true, and it doesn’t mean that others who do not share your delusion are sad, unhappy, or unfulfilled. People who aren’t addicted to heroin don’t crave heroin, but the heroin addict can’t really relate to that. Same with you. We don’t need your fix, and we are not joyless, you just can’t see outside of your own addiction. That is why you are willing to reject reason, logic, and even common sense in exchange for your “fix” of joy and hope.

    Tragic.

  75. on 08 Nov 2012 at 5:26 pm 75.Lou(DFW) said …

    73.Anonymous said …

    “SmartGirl appears to be arguing that she would rather believe that her beliefs are true, because that gives her “hope”. It’s an argument from fear.”

    StupidGirl wants to inflict her judgement upon those who don’t share in her delusion. It’s a way to justify it.

  76. on 08 Nov 2012 at 6:54 pm 76.JALindsay said …

    Actually, “atheism” isn’t “nothingness,” nor is it the celebration of nothingness. That’s nihilism. Atheism, in that it is the rejection of a certain kind of pattern of thought, is freedom of thought. That’s why a synonym for atheism is “freethinker.”

    You like freedom of speech, right? Not believing in all of this delusional nonsense (and all of the ways it contorts your behavior and thinking, particularly in the self-depreciation department) is freedom of thought. That’s what “atheism” “offers.”

  77. on 08 Nov 2012 at 6:57 pm 77.JALindsay said …

    Someone criticized me for making fun of people instead of “debating.” Bring something to the table that’s worth debating, instead of mockery, and we’ll debate. Until then, prepare to be mocked, repeatedly.

  78. on 08 Nov 2012 at 7:10 pm 78.Lou(DFW) said …

    76.JALindsay said …

    “Atheism, in that it is the rejection of a certain kind of pattern of thought, is freedom of thought.”

    In “leprechaunism,” we aleprechaunists have freedom of thought that doesn’t require us to believe in leprechauns.

    The only “freedom of thought” provided by so-called “atheism” is the freedom not believe in a god. Because EVERYBODY is born with that “freedom of thought,” such “isms” are only required when certain thoughts are forced upon us, usually as children. Therefore, the term “theism” was invented to describe a belief and pattern of thought that forces an imaginary god upon us.

    EVERYBODY was born without knowledge of Nazism, but we weren’t required to label ourselves as “aNazists.” The same should be true of atheists. Imagine how much time and energy would be wasted if we were required to label and introduce ourselves with a word that describes every belief that we don’t have.

  79. on 08 Nov 2012 at 8:01 pm 79.JALindsay said …

    That’s why I tried to be very careful with my wording and put “offers” in quotations, Lou(DFW). The reality is that theism is a method of binding your thoughts to a particular ideology, so not accepting theism enables us to keep our thinking free from that kind of rubbish.

    Since I assume the audience here is predominantly American and thus also predominantly either theist or ex-theist, it makes some sense to say things like that “atheism” can “offer” things like freedom from self-depreciating and delusional thought patterns, although you are correct in pointing out that it does so no more than aleprechaunism would.

  80. on 08 Nov 2012 at 8:32 pm 80.Curmudgeon said …

    Theism offers a belief in reality. Atheism much like the flat-earthers,truly believe their delusion but that only provides a false sense of freedom.

  81. on 08 Nov 2012 at 9:01 pm 81.Severin said …

    50 Messenger
    “49.Severin the entire bible is his source of moral guidance. Not just a few verses.”

    Why not Koran?

    Didn’t you say Jesus = Allah?

  82. on 08 Nov 2012 at 9:13 pm 82.Severin said …

    650 Messenger
    ““49.Severin the entire bible is his source of moral guidance. Not just a few verses.”

    Is this something I should learn about morality, for example:
    Deut. 22:13-21
    “If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then turns against her, 14 and charges her with shameful deeds and publicly defames her, and says, ‘I took this woman, but when I came near her, I did not find her a virgin,’ … 20
    “But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, 21 then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel, by playing the harlot in her father’s house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you”

    Or this:
    “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. … (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    Or this:
    “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    Etc, etc, etc

  83. on 08 Nov 2012 at 9:33 pm 83.DPK said …

    80.Curmudgeon said …

    “Theism offers a belief in reality.”

    “That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence………”

    Next.

  84. on 08 Nov 2012 at 10:18 pm 84.The messenger said …

    I was not talking about the Quran, no because the Islam holy book has many gaps in it, it is incomplete.

  85. on 08 Nov 2012 at 10:37 pm 85.The messenger said …

    82.Severin that first bible verse means, if a woman is cheating on her husband the people of the city such not trust her, or let her remarry or anything like that until she has made up for the sin she committed.

    The second verse means if a woman is forced by her father to marry a man and the two do not like each other, the woman is allowed to leave him. The end of six years thing just means that wemon take longer to get over the divorce sorrow.

    The third verse means, show respect to people that you work for even if you do not like them.

  86. on 08 Nov 2012 at 11:24 pm 86.alex said …

    ” Atheism much like the flat-earthers,truly believe their delusion but that only provides a false sense of freedom.”

    curm is a dumb, redneck, idiot. how’s that? now we’re both LIARS?

  87. on 08 Nov 2012 at 11:47 pm 87.Lou(DFW) said …

    80.Crum said …

    “Theism offers a belief in reality.”

    Which brand of theism?

    “Atheism much like the flat-earthers,truly believe their delusion but that only provides a false sense of freedom.”

    Crum, how many times must you be told that disbelief is not a belief?

  88. on 08 Nov 2012 at 11:51 pm 88.alex said …

    “Crum, how many times must you be told that disbelief is not a belief?”

    cant be heard over the thousands of “hesus loves you” echoing thru his brain.

  89. on 09 Nov 2012 at 12:42 am 89.MrQ said …

    The Cur with a beauty:

    Theism offers a belief in reality.

    Such as winged horses, zombies, talking snakes, interactive gods and on and on. You’re always good for a laugh, Cur.

    Theism relies strictly on FAITH. FAITH does NOT require any proof. Hey, Cur, guess you didn’t pray hard enough, Obama is in for another four and Captain Magic Underpants, speaking of “belief in reality”, is out.

  90. on 09 Nov 2012 at 2:05 am 90.A said …

    Atheists need to stop with their laughable assertion that they have no belief. We have their priesthood writing book after book about their beliefs. Apparently, theist know more about the atheist beliefs than the atheists actually do. Did I even bring up this blog?

    Alex, thank you for speaking for the atheists. You help our cause greatly. :)

  91. on 09 Nov 2012 at 2:13 am 91.Anonymous said …

    Oh look, “A” is parroting the same kind of things that have been said to him recently. How original. Not

    No wonder he needs to believe in an imaginary friend. Not only does he not think but he doesn’t think for himself either. Thank YOU for showing, again, how little original thought is present in the mind of a bigoted believer such as yourself.

    Yes, I know. He’ll bring out a sock puppet to repeat this back to us soon enough in some kind of pretense that he was able to come up with an argument of his own.

  92. on 09 Nov 2012 at 2:16 am 92.alex said …

    “Alex, thank you for speaking for the atheists. You help our cause greatly.”

    more bullshit. go ahead and explain, but you won’t, because it’s the same old shit. you got nothing for your god and you got nothing on me.

    why do you go here?

  93. on 09 Nov 2012 at 2:26 am 93.Anonymous said …

    SmartGirl, why have you not stopped to consider that if you didn’t have your religion then you wouldn’t think so poorly of yourself and you would be a much happier person all around? Without it, you wouldn’t have allowed yourself to be abused into thinking that you owed some mythical debt to some mythical being.

    Further, do you not see that if you didn’t think so poorly of yourself then you wouldn’t need to believe to have the “hope” to overcome your self-induced despair?

    Your religion brings with it self-loathing and learned helplessness. You sound no different from an abused spouse who never leaves because she’s “learned” that she’s nothing without her abusive partner.

  94. on 09 Nov 2012 at 3:14 am 94.The messenger said …

    Well said brother A.

  95. on 09 Nov 2012 at 3:18 am 95.The messenger said …

    Smartgirl does not think poorly of her self, she should be proud of her self for standing up for God and his teachings.

    I solute you Smartgirl.

  96. on 09 Nov 2012 at 4:37 am 96.alex said …

    solute?

    remember this, motherfucker?
    “Are you mentally incapable of using correct grammar?”

    your words, no? what happened? porn god made your fingers slippery?

  97. on 09 Nov 2012 at 11:33 am 97.Lou(DFW) said …

    90.ASS said …

    “Atheists need to stop with their laughable assertion that they have no belief.”

    But theists don’t, right, hypocrite?

    “We have their priesthood writing book after book about their beliefs.”

    Who is “we” and how did you all get some “priesthood” to write book about atheists?

  98. on 09 Nov 2012 at 11:34 am 98.Lou(DFW) said …

    95.The messenger said …

    “Smartgirl does not think poorly of her self, she should be proud of her self for standing up for God and his teachings.”

    Really? Where is she now? She hasn’t responded to the many comments about her delusion.

  99. on 09 Nov 2012 at 1:10 pm 99.Anonymous said …

    “Really? Where is she now? She hasn’t responded to the many comments about her delusion”

    And that’s a common theme here, isn’t it?

    We see so many theists who post a brain-dump of their fantasy then run away for fear of having to defend their nonsense.

  100. on 09 Nov 2012 at 3:25 pm 100.Lou(DFW) said …

    99.Anonymous said …

    “And that’s a common theme here, isn’t it?
    We see so many theists who post a brain-dump of their fantasy then run away for fear of having to defend their nonsense.”

    And right after Stupidgirl asked “Why in America are we not allowed to stand up for what we believe?” she doesn’t stay to do so – a typical theist coward.

  101. on 09 Nov 2012 at 5:56 pm 101.A said …

    alex, again thank you. Your represent the atheists perfectly! What was that finishing school again?

    Smartgirl presented her case very well. I haven’t seen one legitimate question she needed to answer. That could possibly be why she has refrained from more posts. Second could be she has a life.

  102. on 09 Nov 2012 at 6:52 pm 102.Lou(DFW) said …

    101.ASS said …

    “Smartgirl presented her case very well.”

    What case?

    “I haven’t seen one legitimate question she needed to answer.”

    That’s because you are the same kind of coward that she is.

    “That could possibly be why she has refrained from more posts. Second could be she has a life.”

    One of delusion. Are you sure you aren’t Stupidgirl?

  103. on 09 Nov 2012 at 10:07 pm 103.Severin said …

    85 messenger
    Bible version (killing of non-virgin brides):

    “… BUT WHEN I CAME NEAR HER I DID NOT FIND HER A VIRGIN …
    But if this charge is true, that the girl was NOT FOUND A VIRGIN, 21 then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father’s house, AND THE MEN OF HER CITY SHALL STONE HER TO DEATH because she has committed an act of folly in Israel, …”

    This verse does NOT apply to women who cheat on their husbands. It applies to brides whom their husbbands find “consumed” (non-virgin) in the first wedding night, and the ONLY punshemnt that GOD ORDERS in the verse is DEATH BY STONING on her father’s treshold.God ORDERS people to brutally kill women who dared to have sex BEFORE they married!
    Very moral!
    Am I suppposed to enrich my life by accepting such “morality”?
    Dusgusting and sad!

    Messenger’s version:
    “… if a woman is cheating on her husband the people of the city such not trust her, or let her remarry or anything like that until she has made up for the sin she committed.”

    Bible version (selling one’s own daughter to slaves):
    ““WHEN A MAN SELLS HIS DAUGHTER AS A SLAVE …”

    Messenger’s fake:
    “The second verse means if a woman is forced by her father to marry a man …”
    (of course, you don’t see anything immoral in fathers forcing their daughters to marry soemone HE chosed for her!)

    To somehow justify your blood thirsty monster lunatic god, you are making yourself a liar, a fraud and a falsifier.
    You falsify your own holly book.

    You are sick!
    Now we see what religion makes from people!
    Disgusting!

  104. on 09 Nov 2012 at 11:26 pm 104.The messenger said …

    103.Severin that bible verse is about wemon who cheat on their husbands, of you had a brain you would understand that.

    Yes I do see the imorality in a woman bieng forced to Marry by her father, that 2nd half of the bible verse states that she is allowed to leave if she does not like the man she is married too. I said that in my last comment. That bible verse does not support forced marriage, and neither do I.

    Why do you continue to make such weak arguments?

  105. on 09 Nov 2012 at 11:35 pm 105.The messenger said …

    103.Severin why do you take a few small words out of my comments instead of looking at the entire comment as a a whole?

    I pray that you realize the truth that God does exist.

  106. on 10 Nov 2012 at 2:30 am 106.alex said …

    go fuck yourself messenger, you lyin bitch.

    i don’t represent atheists, nobody does, you moron.

    i tolerate gays, minorities, women, and immigrants while you religious fuckers hate the same. and you call me intolerant?

    yeah, motherfucker. you tolerate countless pedophiles, polygamists, bombers, gay beaters, racists, misogynists, cheaters, and other vile shit and why is that?

    because you want your bullshit god to forgive your child molester priest brother? you want your bullshit god to convert your gay son back? your cousin, the clinic bomber will go to heaven for his heroic deed?

    notice the question marks, asshole. why you hatin on me and at the same time align yourself with the vermin? my lack of belief is good reason for hate?

  107. on 10 Nov 2012 at 7:26 am 107.Severin said …

    #104
    “103.Severin that bible verse is about wemon who cheat on their husbands, of you had a brain you would understand that.”

    It is NOT, unless you and your god assume a woman could have cheated on her husband BEFORE she knew him.
    Everybody with eyes and ability to read can see that.
    Why do you find necessary to deny the obvious (to lie!)?

    The verse is absolutely clear: if husband finds his bride already “consumed”, when he FIRST TIME approach to her, AND if he publically dicovers that, the lady MUST DIE, no options, according to god’s order written in thtat very verse of the Bible.
    Which, apropos, shows not only insanity, but also hypocrisy of your god, namely: if the husband does NOT publically say he found his bride already “consumed”, but keeps the fact hidden, woman will live!
    God gives THE HUSBAND all rights to decide about his bride’s life, depending on his (husband’s) “treshold of tollerance” (or his ego)!
    THAT is something highly “moral”! To let someone’s life depending on someone else’s instable ego!

    You can not lie to us, but why are you persisting in lying to yourself?

  108. on 10 Nov 2012 at 7:37 am 108.Severin said …

    Messenger,

    Exodus 21:20-21
    And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

    Is THAT something you expect me to accept as my “moral code”?

    What lies will you find now to justify your god’s immorality?

  109. on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:08 pm 109.The messenger said …

    108.Severin Exodus 21:20-21 means if a employer hurts or kills on of his imployees in any way the employer will be punished for his actions.

  110. on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:11 pm 110.The messenger said …

    106.alex you are intolerant and misinformed, Chtistians are suppose to love all people, we do not hate you or anyone else, if someone does something bad we do not hate them, we only feel sorry for them.

    I do not hate you.

  111. on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:12 pm 111.The messenger said …

    106.alex you are intolerant and misinformed, Chtistians are suppose to love all people, we do not hate you or anyone else, if someone does something bad we do not hate them, we only feel sorry for them.

    I do not hate you.’

  112. on 10 Nov 2012 at 3:16 pm 112.The messenger said …

    180.Severin the bible verse is talking about wemon who are cheating on thier husbands when they are married, not before they are married.

    Are you not capable of understanding such a simple verse?
    I pray that you will understand this.

  113. on 11 Nov 2012 at 4:07 am 113.DPK said …

    We know messenger is a troll, but I think I got his number… He’s actually an atheist troll who just likes dicking with people… Nobody could actually be THAT stupid!
    Any, this must be him:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/11/09/an-internet-troll-explains-why-he-loves-going-after-atheists/

  114. on 11 Nov 2012 at 6:59 am 114.Anonymous said …

    I am now REALLY done with that idiot (The messenger), whoever and whatever he is.

  115. on 11 Nov 2012 at 6:59 am 115.Severin said …

    #114 was me.

  116. on 11 Nov 2012 at 11:08 am 116.alex said …

    Brian Limond, aka, dumbass messenger, outed! what a fuckhead. don’t mess with the internet.

    says he’s an atheist, but this goes back to what i said before. a flawed atheist is not proof for god or an argument for not believing in god.

    a dog is an atheist and he licks his balls and eats shit. an idiot would argue that if you’re an atheist, you’d do same?

    fucking bullshit diversions.

  117. on 11 Nov 2012 at 2:29 pm 117.Anonymous said …

    So lets turn this into a teachable moment.

    Messenger was called on being a troll on several occasions. Right from the start, in fact. Along the way he was called on his constant redefinitions and contradictions. Not only did he screw up the Catholicism claim, he was apologizing for Christianity using Mormon-resources and way before all of that he got outed for not knowing some basic propositions of Christianity. It was pointed out that his was the style of posting blatantly false comments in order to bait responses. Yet people engaged him none-the-less.

    So, how do we learn and apply that lesson to the other constant trolls?

    There’s a well known group of posters that seem to be represented by a very small number of individuals. When cornered they respond with either personal attacks or, as we will most-likely experience with the recent outing of “Martin”, they send in another of their sock-puppets to rescue them with fresh trolling.

    Could they also be the same guy and, even if not, why engage them when you know that they are just here to goad and bait well-intentioned people into playing their little game?

  118. on 11 Nov 2012 at 2:38 pm 118.alex said …

    “So lets turn this into a teachable moment.”

    let’s not get carried away. we recognize, but sometimes can’t resist. nuf said. i’ll try harder.

  119. on 11 Nov 2012 at 5:43 pm 119.The messenger said …

    116.alex my name is not Brian Limond, you idiot, my name is William.

  120. on 11 Nov 2012 at 5:45 pm 120.The messenger said …

    117.Anonymous I did not apologize for that. Read my comments correctly for once in your life.

  121. on 11 Nov 2012 at 5:48 pm 121.The messenger said …

    117.Anonymous you idiot. Mormonism is a branch of Christianity.

    Get a brain.

  122. on 11 Nov 2012 at 5:55 pm 122.The messenger said …

    117.Anonymous I know everything about Christianity.

    The reason that you think I am wrong is because you misinterpret Christianity its self.
    Unlike you, I actually understand Christianity, you do not.

    I am William, I am a part of the Catholic Church, I am a servent of our father, and I will defend his teaching and his people forever.

  123. on 11 Nov 2012 at 7:02 pm 123.A said …

    Anonymous

    We agree for once. If you promise to stop engaging me as you frequently do, I will not engage you. No problem there. You just stroke the ego of your alternate personalities and fellow adherents and whatever else you like to stroke.

    Messenger,

    In 1996 for the purpose of the Olympics in Salt Lake, the LDS church did start referring to themselves as Christian. It was not until this point they took the label to improve their public image. Their beliefs were not altered.

    I rarely use the word Christian since it means different things to different groups.

    Gotta catch an overseas flight. Always a lot of fun. Boys play nice.

  124. on 11 Nov 2012 at 8:18 pm 124.Lou(DFW) said …

    123.ASS said …

    “Anonymous

    We agree for once. If you promise to stop engaging me as you frequently do, I will not engage you.”

    Translation – ASS was Mitch/Martin (#117)

    “You just stroke the ego of your alternate personalities and fellow adherents and whatever else you like to stroke.”

    After lying, ASS’ second most common defense – the “I know you are but what am I?” defense.

    His next defense, personal insult – “…whatever else you like to stroke.”

    But what defense is it that he NEVER, EVER uses? Evidence of his imaginary god.

    “Gotta catch an overseas flight.”

    Translation – I’m going back into hiding after embarrassing myself in another sock-puppet confusion.

    OW WOW! Hey everybody, ASS is getting on one of them fancy-shamancy jet aeroplanes. GOLLEE!

    ASS, you’re such a goober.

  125. on 12 Nov 2012 at 12:30 am 125.The messenger said …

    124.Lou(DFW) shut up.

  126. on 12 Nov 2012 at 12:33 am 126.The messenger said …

    on 11 Nov 2012 at 5:55 pm 122.The messenger said …
    117.Anonymous I know everything about Christianity.
    The reason that you think I am wrong is because you misinterpret Christianity its self.
    Unlike you, I actually understand Christianity, you do not.
    I am William, I am a part of the Catholic Church, I am a servent of our father, and I will defend his teaching and his people forever.

  127. on 12 Nov 2012 at 1:03 am 127.alex said …

    where/who do I get permission from, to mirror this site, in order to filter out idiots?

  128. on 21 Nov 2012 at 9:56 pm 128.Ablade said …

    Where can we go to see you having these spirited discussions with Mormons? Buddhists? Taoists? Baptists? Any other faith that isn’t yours, hm?

    Can you prove you’re more then a mouthpeice with personal issues, by proving your not using atheism to confirm your own faith, and nothing more?

  129. on 21 Nov 2012 at 9:58 pm 129.Ablade said …

    In case that wasn’t clear, know that if you argue with only one set of people, while ignoring others, you are in no position to be trusted, and there is no reason to even debate your points, as they are biased before even getting started.

  130. on 21 Nov 2012 at 10:47 pm 130.alex said …

    “you are in no position to be trusted, and there is no reason to even debate your points, as they are biased before even getting started.”

    you idiot. atheists are not positioning on any points, any more than santa non believers. i don’t believe your bullshit, period. you care to argue? then do it fuckhead! atheists refuse your bullshit, and you try, try to derail. your bullshit will be treated with the same contempt whether you’re an xtian, thorian, zeusian, muslim, or whatever.

  131. on 21 Nov 2012 at 11:20 pm 131.Anonymous said …

    Ablade, can you prove that your god exists anywhere but in your religion-addled brain? If so, do so. Otherwise, you are simply trying to change the subject to play the poor iddle liddle offended paranoid xtian, rather than face reality.

    Your god doesn’t exist. A child can work that out. Why can’t you?

  132. on 21 Nov 2012 at 11:45 pm 132.The messenger said …

    Brother Ablate, I argue with many people on the subject if religion, I do not focus on one group of people. My goal is to help all of Jesus’s children realize the truth about him.

    Let it be known, Jesus is the one and only God, he is our savior and our Father.

  133. on 22 Nov 2012 at 12:51 am 133.Lou said …

    “Ablade, can you prove that your god exists anywhere but in your religion-addled brain?”

    Ablade notice how the atheist cult attempts to make themselves the default position? Of course, as a baby this is the default but then one grows up and develops the capacity to understand God does exist. The poor atheist has been left behind in their delusion. Pay them no more attention than we pay the Holocaust deniers.

  134. on 22 Nov 2012 at 2:09 am 134.Anonymous said …

    So, ablade, can you prove your god exists or not?

    It’s a simple question and all the trolling and diversions in the world will not give you an escape from that question.

    Prove your god exists. It’s so simple a request but like the simple people who made up the myth, you cannot prove it. You can’t even come close.

    The originators of your myths were uneducated, mostly illiterate, bronze-age goat-herders. They were simple folks without formal education. What’s your excuse?

  135. on 22 Nov 2012 at 5:33 am 135.Anonymous said …

    Messenger, from the top-down, the catholic church is a haven for pedophile priests. The pope, as the leader of that church, allowed these child-rapes to occur, even covering them up. Your theology tell us that they did so in the full sight of your god.

    If the vicar of Christ supports child rape then we must infer that his boss does so too.

    So, my questions to you. Why has your god made so many plans to ensure that his Christian priests rape defenseless boys?

    Your leaders are supposed to teach their moral values by examples. So, is a messenger from your god who delights in sticking their penis in the anus of an innocent child another of those things that mere mortals cannot understand, or is just another example of how fucked up religious people actually are?

  136. on 22 Nov 2012 at 1:35 pm 136.Lou(DFW) said …

    133.Louser said …

    “Ablade notice how the atheist cult attempts to make themselves the default position?”

    Notice how theists must lie about atheists because they can’t defend their delusional belief in an imaginary god.

    “Of course, as a baby this is the default…”

    Even though he wrote previously that atheists determine it.

    “…but then one grows up and develops the capacity to understand God does exist.”

    A baby is born with the innate knowledge to suckle at its mother’s breast, but for some unknown reason god doesn’t provide innate knowledge of himself. Instead, the actual knowledge of a particular false god is random, primarily determined by the particular religion practiced in its geographical area.

    It’s only when we develop the capacity to question our parents and peers, and think for ourselves, that we understand that theism is a delusion.

    “The poor atheist has been left behind in their delusion.”

    Poor Louser still can’t get it through brainwashed head that delusion is a belief. Disbelief is not belief, therefore, it can’t be a delusion. See how theists such as Louser must lie to support their delusion?

    “Pay them no more attention than we pay the Holocaust deniers.”

    Except that’s what Louser does here in the guise of many sock-puppets.

  137. on 22 Nov 2012 at 2:30 pm 137.Martin/Mitch said …

    ‘If the vicar of Christ supports child rape then we must infer that his boss does so too.”

    A lie, the Pope denounced the actions and is only one man who cannot monitor what happens around the world.

    His Boss doesn’t exist so how can He support such actions? Just more faulty logic although God’s Word is clear such actions is wrong. In my part of the country, an atheist has just been nailed for child molestation. Who was he listening to?

    “Why has your god made so many plans to ensure that his Christian priests rape defenseless boys?”

    What plan? You mean a free will that allows man to chose right or wrong? If you desire to go with this “plan” argument then provide said plan.

    I do not even support the Roman Catholic Church but can still poke holes in your poor logic. Come back with something better or I must assume you have no understanding of basic logic. You are an atheist. Everything must be backed by math, logic and reason. Let’s see better.

  138. on 22 Nov 2012 at 3:49 pm 138.Lou(DFW) said …

    137.Martin/Mitch said …

    “In my part of the country, an atheist has just been nailed for child molestation.”

    Source?

    “Who was he listening to?”

    Catholic priests?

    “You mean a free will that allows man to chose right or wrong?”

    No, according to the Pope, it wasn’t their choice – the devil made them do it:

    “As priests we are personally and profoundly afflicted by the sins of some of our brothers who have betrayed the grace of ordination in succumbing even to the most grievous forms of the mysterium iniquitatis at work in the world.”

    “You are an atheist. Everything must be backed by math, logic and reason.”

    Yes, something better than your lies about atheists. There is no such atheist tenet.

    “Let’s see better.”

    Why don’t you hold yourself to the same standards that you require of others? You never did respond the the several challenges to your last batch of comments – coward.

  139. on 22 Nov 2012 at 5:44 pm 139.The messenger said …

    Thank you, brother 137.Martin/Mitch.

  140. on 22 Nov 2012 at 6:46 pm 140.The messenger said …

    Brother 136.Lou(DFW), the Catholic Church is not a haven for child molesters. The Catholic Church the pope does not support it either. God espeasally does not support it.

    A true Preists would never molest a child.

  141. on 22 Nov 2012 at 9:21 pm 141.Severin said …

    #137
    “What plan? You mean a free will that allows man to chose right or wrong? If you desire to go with this “plan” argument then provide said plan.”

    So, after all, god has NO plans, or what?

    Or, are you pulling “god’s plans” out from somewhere only when you need them, in which cases free will plays no role?

    Which is the truth: god’s plans or free will.
    Both can’t exist.

  142. on 22 Nov 2012 at 10:53 pm 142.Anonymous said …

    Martin, I see that you are back and that you are still avoiding every and any question put to you. Why is that? You keep throwing in assertions and telling people that they are wrong, yet you don’t make any effort to prove your point. Trolling, much?

    Now, seeing as you keep criticizing people on the basis of logic. You need to prove that you understand it and can apply it yourself.

    So, again, fourth time(?) – please provide the logic that proves that your god, and be specific as to which god, exists.

    If you can’t do so, then say so. But if you can’t, or won’t, then you also need to stop with the judgement of others and the pretense that you understand logic. If you can’t use logic to prove your point, then you are just being an asshole in claiming that others have faulty logic when your position is, by your own failure, illogical, hypocritical, and untenable.

  143. on 23 Nov 2012 at 12:16 am 143.The messenger said …

    Beother 141.Severin, God has a plan for everyone. We have free will, we can chose to be good or bad, God knows which path that we will chose.

    In the end we will all chose the path of good and we will all go to heaven and be with of Father, Jesus. That is Jesus’s plan.

  144. on 23 Nov 2012 at 12:34 am 144.Martin/Mitch said …

    Anonymous I only overlook you because I am busy and you are a troll. I haven’t made a claim but you and your ilk have made many. I pointed out some logical inconsistencies in the claims and that has angered you and to compensate you want me to sustain a claim you made up.

    Correct me if I am wrong but atheist claim materialism, logic and “reason” as their modus operandi? Would this be the typical behavior of atheist who has failed their own protocol?

  145. on 23 Nov 2012 at 12:59 am 145.alex said …

    “Correct me if I am wrong but atheist claim materialism, logic and “reason” as their modus operandi?”

    wrong! atheists don’t believe in your bullshit god. ain’t no m.o.

    all that other shit you fuckers keep bringing up, is just a sideshow diversion. i’ll save you the trouble and say it for you. all atheists are full of shit.

    still, your god is bullshit.

  146. on 23 Nov 2012 at 1:20 pm 146.Lou(DFW) said …

    141.Martin/Mitch said …

    “I haven’t made a claim…”

    Except that you did:

    “You are an atheist. Everything must be backed by math, logic and reason.”

    Are you also not claiming that god exists?

    “Correct me if I am wrong…”

    Again? Must we?

    “…but atheist claim [that] (math,) materialism, logic and “reason” as their modus operandi?”

    Show us the source of that claim, then we’ll correct it.

  147. on 23 Nov 2012 at 1:25 pm 147.Lou(DFW) said …

    141.Martin/Mitch/ASS said …

    “Anonymous I only overlook you because I am busy and you are a troll.”

    LOL! Says the sock-puppeteer who NEVER, EVER answers questions put to him, but who only demands that everyone else answers him.

  148. on 23 Nov 2012 at 2:07 pm 148.Anonymous said …

    It doesn’t matter how “Martin” tries to excuse his double standard. The point is that his arguments fail because he knows that the existence of the supernatural can’t be proven through logic – this is the reason for his cowardly retreat.

    The sock puppet Martin is claiming that people can’t disprove a position he invents for other people. He even goes so far as to dictate how he claims they must disprove his unprovable claim. His is a strawman argument, the kind of nonsense we see from the 40Y-asshole.

    Martin, if you want to claim that people can’t disprove a position via logic, even if you are claiming that their argument is invalid, you need to be able to prove that argument via logic – otherwise you don’t understand the argument, or the argument itself is invalid. If you don’t understand this, then you don’t understand logic.

    Frankly, I think you are just arguing this way because you know you can’t prove the supernatural, so you hide your insecurities behind a veil of “disprove it”. Well, that’s another fallacy – shifting the burden of proof.

    So, again. You need to demonstrate to us that you can prove via logic the existence of a particular god. Its a really easy position, but you run away from it every time.

  149. on 23 Nov 2012 at 3:09 pm 149.Xenon said …

    “Correct me if I am wrong but atheist claim materialism, logic and “reason” as their modus operandi?”

    ROTFL!!!!! Where did you get that ridiculous idea! Read Ricard Dawkin’s book “The God Delusion” and watch as he claims one thing and then directly contradicts those claims with his logic. He is the best the atheists have to offer. Their M.O. is ridicule, bait & switch and fallacies. Not all mind you, my son dates a very sweet atheist girl but her atheism is not religion to her.

    “Would this be the typical behavior of atheist who has failed their own protocol?”

    Yes, every time. They make a claim, it is shown to be a faulty claim and they attempt to change the subject or the old Red Herring fallacy. It is their favorite. It is what they do to every thread.

    Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas

  150. on 23 Nov 2012 at 4:13 pm 150.alex said …

    “Read Ricard Dawkin’s book ”

    you’re an idiot. this is not a dawkin’s site, you moron. i repeat, all that atheist crap you keep bringing up is just a diversion. i already told ya,
    for your ocd benefit, let’s just say ALL atheists are full of shit.

    from this list of bullshits, pick your fav and put it to rest: santa claus, vampires, hesus, allah, ra, odin, & fairies.

    you got nothing, so shut the fuck up, and allahu akbur to you. see you in muslim hell?

  151. on 24 Nov 2012 at 3:31 am 151.MrQ said …

    X, the inert gas bag

    Yes, every time. They make a claim, it is shown to be a faulty claim and they attempt to change the subject or the old Red Herring fallacy. It is their favorite. It is what they do to every thread.

    Show me where. Examples, please. Or are you just making shit up again?

    I can show links where theists have packed up and scattered like rats caught in the light of reason. But that does not surprise you, does it?

  152. on 24 Nov 2012 at 2:20 pm 152.Anonymous said …

    MrQ, Xenon pops up to continue to conversation with himself because the Martin persona has been forced to bravely run away.

    Of course Xenon is making shit up. It’s not even projection, he’s simply accusing people of what he practices in order to change the subject. Changing the subject, baiting people, and repeating back arguments, is what he (and his sock puppets) does here. He’s long past any honest attempt at discussion. All he is here for is to prevent any discussion that leads to any theist being asked to provide proof of their imaginary friends.

  153. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:26 pm 153.Anonymous said …

    You need more information to understand how God and the universe works and our purpose. There is the law of the universe that prevents the Angels from intervening in any negative aspect of your life. The universal law is simple…you must ask God for help and believe faithfully. Miracles only happen to those who believe. There is also the law of attraction. Your thoughts and conciousness attract the things you think about. Negativity and hate only attracts those very things in your life. I only wish you could see what I see and I wish you and everyone the best in life

  154. on 30 Jan 2013 at 11:53 pm 154.Severin said …

    #153
    ” Miracles only happen to those who believe.”

    I personally knew people who were very evil AND nonbelievers (atheist, if you wish), who cheerfully lived about 45/50 years after being healed from cancer (two case), without praying god for anything.
    I personally knew people who were wery evil and nonbelievers, who did not get any miracle, but died in pains in their 25/30/29 (three cases).
    I personally knew people who were very honest and responsible, AND sincere believers, who prayed god to be healed from cancer, survived, and lived cheerfully till their 85 (one case).
    I personally knew people who were very honest, responsible, AND sincere believers, who prayed god for their life, and never got a “miracle”, but died from cancer when they were 19/45 (two cases).

    Of course, if you wish more, I can find probably many and many such examples, but those are my personal experiances.
    “Miracles”, AND cases without “miracle” obviously happen to ALL people, black, white, young, old, atheists, Muslims, Christians, carpenters, doctors, whores, …

    Where and how does god fit this statistics?

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