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Christianity Thomas on 27 Oct 2012 12:44 am

The insanity of religion – forcing their beliefs upon others

Every intelligent, rational person understands that God is imaginary – God is as imaginary as Rudolf the red nose reindeer or Jack’s beanstalk. And yet, here in the most powerful nation on earth, we still include “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance. Now there is a new challenge to this long-standing practice:

Massachusetts Supreme Court Will Hear Case to Stop Reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in Public Schools

This one is so simple to understand. If the Pledge was changed to say “under Allah”, the Christians would all be howling with rage. They would instantly understand the problem that intelligent people have with being forced to say “under God”.

This situation demonstrates one of the big problems with religion: Religious people want to force their bizarre, delusional beliefs upon everyone else. Why do they feel this compulsive need?

45 Responses to “The insanity of religion – forcing their beliefs upon others”

  1. on 27 Oct 2012 at 10:43 pm 1.Asher said …

    OK, two questions for Thomas.

    1. Who forces anyone to say those words? One can remains silent.

    2. What religion is being forced on others with “under God”? To be true to the Constitution, What law is being enforced to establish a religion?

    More tax dollars being wasted on atheist stupidity. We need a law stopping atheist stupidity so we can focus of jobs, deficit reduction and human suffering.

  2. on 27 Oct 2012 at 11:01 pm 2.Anonymous said …

    Does the puppet master ever actually read the posts and follow the links? Probably not considering that he’s going to post his strawman arguments anyway. Anything to divert the conversation away from their irrational beliefs, so it seems.

    “Asher”, how about you answer the question posed in the blog post?

  3. on 28 Oct 2012 at 12:26 am 3.alex said …

    “Religious people want to force their bizarre, delusional beliefs upon everyone else. Why do they feel this compulsive need?”

    deep down, they know it’s bullshit. they have to continuously remind themselves that it’s not. what better way to do this than constantly harass folk. if somebody complains about the bullshit pledge, or the bullshit on the coin, it reminds them about the reality and finality of death, and they can’t handle it.

    plus it’s convenient. you can be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and a dumbass and say it’s all in the bible. everybody else is a liberal atheist.

  4. on 28 Oct 2012 at 1:18 am 4.The messenger said …

    Catholics and Hebrews do not force their religion on anyone, we only present it to people and hope that they realize God’s teachings are true and that they should believe in God.

    We do not force our religion on anyone.

  5. on 28 Oct 2012 at 11:10 pm 5.TheJesusFreak said …

    @alex
    Deep down, I consider the Bible to be nothing less than pure and absolute truth. And yes I agree, Christians often tend to use the Bible for their own selfish means which is sad really. Fact of the matter, all that stuff isn’t actually in the Bible, in any sort of conclusive way. I would ask you to not look at Christians as role models or examples, and instead look at Christ as such.

  6. on 29 Oct 2012 at 2:29 am 6.The messenger said …

    5.TheJesusFreak well said my friend.

  7. on 01 Nov 2012 at 3:32 am 7.inbtwn said …

    Atheism’s goal is to ridicule God and ppl who believe in Him. Atheists r on their mission to spread a satanic gospel. Should we listen them when they show their earthling view on their simple and plain “interface” of life? I think atheists can shut the hell up and leave religious ppl alone. There definitely is not a single good reason, why they must try to prove God doesn’t exist. Atheists r lonely and sad ppl, who afraid of the moment of death, bcs death means “total nothing” after they r gone.

  8. on 01 Nov 2012 at 8:31 am 8.tony said …

    Inbtwn, what part of atheist don’t you understand? Spreading a satanic gospel, you moron? We don’t believe in your man made religion, including satan. Every other week I am harrassed on my doorstep by creepy people who believe in magic. You know immediately what they are trying to sell because of the dazed look they all have.

  9. on 01 Nov 2012 at 1:08 pm 9.Anonymous said …

    Inbtwn, you are confused and misinformed. Atheists are not “trying” to prove that (your) good doesn’t exist. One of the things we are pointing out, is that it is YOUR responsibility to prove that your god exists. The fact is, though, that you can’t prove it. Why? Because your god is imaginary. Rather obvious really.

    As for the rest of your immature screed. Yeah, whatever. Projection at its finest.

  10. on 01 Nov 2012 at 4:06 pm 10.Lou(DFW) said …

    5.TheJesusFreak said …

    “I would ask you to not look at Christians as role models or examples, and instead look at Christ as such.”

    Xtians are real, and they are real examples of xtianity.

    Jesus is not real.

  11. on 01 Nov 2012 at 4:08 pm 11.Lou(DFW) said …

    7.inbtwn said …

    “Atheism’s goal is to ridicule God and ppl who believe in Him.”

    The goal of atheists, not “atheism,” is to prevent theist nuts such as yourself from foisting your delusion upon us.

  12. on 01 Nov 2012 at 4:10 pm 12.Lou(DFW) said …

    1.Asshole said …

    “More tax dollars being wasted on atheist stupidity.”

    Liar – show us.

  13. on 01 Nov 2012 at 4:12 pm 13.Lou(DFW) said …

    1.Asher said …

    “OK, two questions for Thomas.
    1. Who forces anyone to say those words? One can remains silent.”

    Show us where Thomas made such a claim.

    “2. What religion is being forced on others with “under God”?

    Duh! All religions that believe in “God.”

  14. on 01 Nov 2012 at 7:36 pm 14.The messenger said …

    on 28 Oct 2012 at 1:18 am 4.The messenger said …
    Catholics and Hebrews do not force their religion on anyone, we only present it to people and hope that they realize God’s teachings are true and that they should believe in God.
    We do not force our religion on anyone.

  15. on 08 Nov 2012 at 6:00 am 15.SmartGirl said …

    The love of God can’t be taught, it must be caught! Lighten up and pray…you never know when God is going to do a work in your life! I certainly didn’t know it was coming in my own when it did! He works in miraculous ways, and I never understood Him until He met me halfway :) There are people of faith who push their faith on you, and then there are people of faith who just love you…those are the people God is using to touch people’s lives!

  16. on 08 Nov 2012 at 6:03 am 16.SmartGirl said …

    Our nation was founded on faith in God. We are a Christian nation, and I can guarantee you that in a Muslim world they would not alter their beliefs or daily rituals to suit others… Why in America are we not allowed to stand up for what we believe?

  17. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:09 pm 17.Lou(DFW) said …

    16.SmartGirl said …

    “Our nation was founded on faith in God. We are a Christian nation”

    It’s not, but let’s assume that it. So what?

    “Why in America are we not allowed to stand up for what we believe?”

    You are, moron. What do you think you’re doing now?

  18. on 08 Nov 2012 at 2:07 pm 18.Lou(DFW) said …

    16.SmartGirl said …

    “Our nation was founded on faith in God. We are a Christian nation”

    You are either sadly informed or a liar. Please show us in the Constitution or in the Declaration Of Independence even one mention of Jesus or xtianity.

    If you can’t, then tell us if you are simply misinformed or a liar. Which is it?

  19. on 09 Nov 2012 at 7:15 am 19.none said …

    poor poor athiest to say there is nothing higher than yourself then you yourself are declaring you are god. you state that goddosnt exist with 100% conviction you therefore are declaring you are all knowing and all seeing so i have one question if you are a god then when will your mom or loved one die you should know this seeing how you are all knowing. also i amnot christian or mainstream religion i believe in something higer than myself until one of your kind can stand up and tell us all you are god and know everything on live tv then ill believe you are right but that day will never comefor your people

  20. on 09 Nov 2012 at 11:30 am 20.Lou(DFW) said …

    19.none said …

    “also i amnot christian or mainstream religion i believe in something higer than myself”

    Who gives a shit what you believe? We only care about the evidence you have for this “higher” being. Where is it?

  21. on 09 Nov 2012 at 1:03 pm 21.Anonymous said …

    “also i amnot christian or mainstream religion i believe in something higer than myself”

    Like someone who can use punctuation and capital letters perhaps?

  22. on 24 Dec 2012 at 2:35 pm 22.greg said …

    I DO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE HEINOUS ATROCITIES THAT HAPPENED. I AM TOTALLY APPALLED BY THESE TYPE OF THINGS. I AM 100% AGAINST ANY TYPE OF AGGRESSION , POLITICAL, RELIGIOUS OR ANY OTHER. BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELIGION NOW.

  23. on 24 Dec 2012 at 2:35 pm 23.Severin said …

    26 RC
    “If not. You are liar.”
    “Nobody remembers the Inquisitions they were 1000 yrs ago.”

    The last auto-da-fé took place in 1826 in Valencia. About 35,000 people were burned in Spain from 1481 to 1808.
    1000 years ago? Who did you say was a liar?

    Those people burning other people alive TODAY are RELIGIOUS people, not atheists:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0aa_1319664670

    “Nobody remembers the Inquisitions they were 1000 yrs ago. We do remember the gulags, Mao and Red China.”
    EVERYBODY remembers that.
    Yet, none of these crimes, including Hitler’s crimes (who declared himself a Christian) was done in name of atheism, even not Hitler’s ones, to be honest.
    Those crimes were done in name of criminal ideology.

    It is interesting how theists always forget that there were almost absolutely no atheists in those countries (Russia, Germany, China, …) in times when “atheist regimes” took power!

    How did those regimes get power?
    In one case (Hitler), Christian nation (not atheist, because there were NO ateists to “overvote” Christians!) VOTED for him in legal elections!
    In other cases (Stalin, Mao), deluded Christian masses (or other highly riligious people, in case of China), supported revolutions by thier lives, and DIED for them to bring them to power.

    RELIGIOUS MASSES brought “atheist regimes” to power, one way or another. So called “atheists” were such an extreme minority in their countries, at that time, that thay could only brake winds and dissapear if they didn’t have support from religious masses.
    Yes, they were criminals, but poor, uneducated and deluded Christians did not recognize the fact before it was too late!

    That much about lying and about “atheist crimes”.

  24. on 24 Dec 2012 at 2:44 pm 24.greg said …

    ONCE YOU TELL ME YOU DON’T WANT SOMETHING I’M TRYING TO PERSUADE YOU TO ACCEPT I WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN, NEVER!!!!! PERSUADE: TO CAUSE TO DO OR BELIEVE BY MEANS OF REASONING, ARGUMENT, OR ENTREATY.

  25. on 24 Dec 2012 at 2:52 pm 25.Severin said …

    Miracle! God exists!

    I’ve just C/P a few words from a post from some RC (see #23) as the base for my comment, and when I clicked “Submit comment”, it (post from RC, under #26) dissapeared.

    What are those people from WWGHA doing? Playing god?

  26. on 24 Dec 2012 at 5:37 pm 26.Lou(DFW) said …

    24.greg said …

    “ONCE YOU TELL ME YOU DON’T WANT SOMETHING I’M TRYING TO PERSUADE YOU TO ACCEPT I WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN, NEVER!!!!! PERSUADE: TO CAUSE TO DO OR BELIEVE BY MEANS OF REASONING, ARGUMENT, OR ENTREATY.”

    If there was evidence for your imaginary god, then you wouldn’t have to persuade anybody of his existence. Your reasoning, argument, or entreaty is irrelevant.

  27. on 25 Dec 2012 at 12:23 am 27.greg said …

    VERY TRUE, THANK YOU.

  28. on 25 Mar 2013 at 11:02 pm 28.jessie said …

    we live in a mexican Trailer park in Alvin Texas called pine colony and if your not a christian ,your harassed to death. Day and night to the point that you want to pull your hair out.If that pile of shit jesus was real , I would like to go back in time and make sure that son of a bitch wasnt born. So vast were the military and logistical resources ordered to be deployed to this “Great Inquisition” from Rome from 1939 to 1945 that it played a major part to the eventual downfall of the Nazi Third Reich. The effort to efficiently sacrifice the largest number of non-Catholics in 24 x 7 purpose-built ovens [24 hours a day, 7 days a week] was a massive logistical effort- not the least of which required the complete genealogy analysis of most of Europe.

    If not for the genius of fledgling American technology companies such as Innovative Business Machines, who created the first computers for the task of confirming who were to be saved and who were to be slaughtered, if not for the hundreds of millions of dollars in research by pharmacetical companies into advance nerve agents to render people unconscious in “gas” chambers for easy transport to the ovens, then the plan would have been impossible.

    But most of all, if not for the willing and complicit support by Allied leaders not to interfere with the Vatican project, the Nazis managed to kill more innocent people by fire in 1944 and 1945 than all the other years combined

  29. on 26 Mar 2013 at 1:03 am 29.alex said …

    28.jessie said …

    what in the fuck are you talking about? my simple mind cannot understand your shit.

    i’ve been so busy battling the twin fuckheads, s0l & mess, that my comprehension abilities have been compromised. try again?

  30. on 25 Aug 2014 at 11:13 am 30.JONATHAN said …

    TO BEGIN WITH, PREACHING IS NEVER FORCING SOMEONE TO COME TO YOUR RELIGION. IT IS SIMPLE A WAY OF SELLING WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN. GOD HAD HEALED ALL FORMS OF DISEASES AND HE IS STILL DOING IT.
    FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF AMERICA WERE THE ONES WHO PUT THE PHRASE “IN GOD WE TRUST” BECAUSE GOD IS THE ONE WHO HELPED THEM TO MAKE AMERICA A REALITY. I AM AFRAID THAT YOU ARE A GENERATION THAT SEEK TO REMOVE THE “ANCIENT LAND MARK” PLACED BY YOUR PREDECESSOR. GOD IS THE REASON WHY EVERY HUMAN EXIST INCLUDING THE ATHEISTS. BUT IF YOU SAY THERE IS NOT GOD THEN WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF CERTAIN THINGS? IF YOU HAVE NO CREATOR THEN YOU MUST HAVE CREATED YOURSELF AND WILL FEAR NO ONE CAUSE IF YOU ARE DESTROYED YOU CAN RECREATE YOURSELF AGAIN! BUT YOU ARE AFRAID OF DEATH BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONLY ONE LIFE GIVEN TO YOU WHICH YOU MUST GUARD.
    WHERE EVER YOU ARE NOW, YOU ARE LIVING BECAUSE GOD PUTS THE LIFE IN YOU AND HE CAN TAKE IT AT ANYTIME. IN THE OLD TESTAMENT YOU WOULD HAVE FALLEN DEATH BECAUSE THERE WAS INSTANT JUDGMENT FROM GOD TO THOSE WHO TREATED GOD WITH CONTEMPT. BUT NOW IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, GOD CHOSE TO RESERVE ALL REBELLION AGAINST HIM UNTIL A TIME APPOINTED FOR JUDGMENT.
    YOU CAN REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN NOW.

  31. on 25 Aug 2014 at 11:15 am 31.alex said …

    “PREACHING IS NEVER FORCING SOMEONE TO COME TO YOUR RELIGION.”

    then bow your head to the great “ambi”, ya bitch motherfucker. preach that.

  32. on 25 Aug 2014 at 2:07 pm 32.TruthNProof said …

    I have knocked you atheists a lot in the past as I believe in the creator, the God, the absolute, the prime mover.

    But I have been knocked by religions in the world left right and centre for my maverick ways.

    Lately the Pope Francis called Ideological Christianity a sickness.

    I am realising this to be true.

    It is a bit of circular logic but there must be a non contingent fact or reality on which all other facts stand.

    The bible the Koran and other scriptural books can deepen the open mind.

    But to accept them word for word and on face value is to play into the hands of someone who was just having a laugh.

    Can you imagine the Jews are in the middle east killing and oppressing every day because a book said that a plot of land belonged to them.

    If we give them the land what are they going to demand next. That the heathen be given into their hands for them to break them into pieces. Move over supreme court, move over UN a book says the land is ours a book says we can break the Arabs in pieces a book says that the other nations have to bring their strength into our land. We don’t need to work for it and our nation is blessed above theirs and they are basically inferior to us

    That is major league bull shit.

    Who says that Hitler did not have a sense of effective activity?

    Give the jews the land they are going to sit and their fat asses and demand from the other nations every blessing a book written by a group of creative writers and poets who were having a laugh wrote.

  33. on 25 Aug 2014 at 2:12 pm 33.TruthNProof said …

    What do you guys have to say to that?

    Both Athiest and Christians.

  34. on 25 Aug 2014 at 2:15 pm 34.TruthNProof said …

    And my God, my Absolute, my Prime Mover, My Creator is your God,Absolute, Prime Mover and Creator it doesn’t matter if you are atheist. We are all in this thing together..

    We need to be wise though.

    I was a big bible basher for what it is worth.

    But I have to admit that I am agnostic, I simply don’t know for sure that God exist.

    But only a fool goes to war with out his weapons and to work with out his tools.

    And so I keep an open mind for the prexistent, and realise that life might be an amoral affair and that God may not necessarily be prejudiced against any of us regardless of what we know or believe.

  35. on 25 Aug 2014 at 2:25 pm 35.alex said …

    34.TruthNProof said …

    bleh, motherfucking bleh.

    bow your head and acknowledge “Ambi”, your Ambivalent god.

    moron.

  36. on 25 Aug 2014 at 2:29 pm 36.TruthNProof said …

    What we know we know what we don’t know we don’t know.

    I am more an open minded labourer than a believer.

    I don’t know if God exist and I don’t believe I ever will.

    But I say God for want of a better word.

    And if you think thing, Yahweh, Allah, or Zeus or Rah because I say God my apologies.

    What I mean is there must be a beginning if we have a continuation…

  37. on 25 Aug 2014 at 2:33 pm 37.TruthNProof said …

    If you have a slice of cheese you must have a chunk of cheese to take that slice from. Vegan Cheese though.

    But Yahweh may be fictionary, imaginary I don’t care, Zeus may be fictional imaginary I don’t care.

    It’s all there we just need to be wise as open minded labourers.

    Living in a church for 17 odd years (literally) did not wipe my open mindedness and make me a believer.

    That fact could make me a hero for agnostics or athiest.

    But I am an open minded labourer not a believer either way.

  38. on 25 Aug 2014 at 3:18 pm 38.alex said …

    “If you have a slice of cheese you must have a chunk of cheese to take that slice from.”

    If you have a slice of creator you must have a chunk of creator to take that slice from.

    moron. bow before “Ambi”, the ambivalent god.

  39. on 25 Aug 2014 at 3:23 pm 39.TruthNProof said …

    :)

    Well that depends if you want to talk in terms of slices or not.

  40. on 25 Aug 2014 at 3:33 pm 40.Anannymust said …

    Not every religious way seeks war, or rule, or the proving of a point.

    Some religious orders seek peace, and extinguishing, the realisation that there is no point, a giving up.

  41. on 25 Aug 2014 at 3:43 pm 41.Anannymust said …

    When we see the magnitude of the universe and of its creator if there then was a creator. Why won’t we give up?

    What point is there to prove?

    Can we affect so grand a universe?

    Can we affect so grand a creator?

    Does it matter if we live or die?

    IT WOULDN’T BE US THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IT WOULD BE THE UNIVERSE.

    IT WOULDN’T BE US THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IT WOULD BE THE CREATOR.

    IT WOULDN’T MATTER IF WE LIVE; ONCE THE CREATOR LIVES FOR EVER – WE LIVE THROUGH THE FACT THAT HE LIVES.

    THERE IS NO POINT.

    REALLY!!!!!!!

  42. on 25 Aug 2014 at 3:44 pm 42.Anannymust said …

    …….Not trying to affect your faith

    …you do your thing…

    …but mannn!!!!!!!

  43. on 25 Aug 2014 at 5:43 pm 43.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    “If we give them the land what are they going to demand next”

    Um, Annany the Jews were also given that land after WWII legally. IT IS THEIRS. All they want is to keep what belongs to them……sort of like the US wants to keep Texas.

    You sound a little like an anti-Semite.

    Those in the middle always end up falling for everyrhing

  44. on 25 Aug 2014 at 8:06 pm 44.Anonymous said …

    The Jews are a bunch of fat, lazy, deceitful, greedy, thieving, bigoted, self-serving sorcerers.

    And those who fall under their spell are a bunch of Jack-asses.

  45. on 25 Aug 2014 at 10:13 pm 45.The Prickly Science Guy said …

    F&M a hateful bigot or better described antisemite. Are any of us surprised by atheist hate spurred by insecurity and low self-esteem? No, not at all.

    They are all formed in the mold of s Communist-Nazi worldview. It cannot be hid very long and is only paralleled by the hate of Muslims. Just two peas on a pod.

    I thought atheists did not believe in sorcery and spells?
    lol!!!!!!!!!!

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