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Christianity Thomas on 06 Oct 2012 12:35 am

The insanity of Christian Republicans

To any intelligent person, this article and video are so depressing…

Tea Party Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution and Big Bang Are “Lies Straight From the Pit Of Hell.” Why Yes, He Serves On the House Science Committee With Todd Akin

At a speech delivered recently to the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet (for those of you calculating at home: Liberty + Baptist + Church + Sportsman = Quadruple Conservative), Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), a member of the House Committee on Science and Technology and a freaking medical doctor, went on a rant about how science is the work of the devil. Which makes his House committee appointment the work of the devil, too? Is he like a secret agent from God sent to spy on the House Committee on Hedonism and Satan-Worship? We’re not sure.

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

You can see Broun make the statement in this video:

How can this incredible level of ignorance exist in any human being, much less in an important elected official?

100 Responses to “The insanity of Christian Republicans”

  1. on 06 Oct 2012 at 1:19 pm 1.LL said …

    A man who reflects the beliefs of our founders in Washington. There is still hope.

  2. on 06 Oct 2012 at 2:01 pm 2.Anonymous said …

    Hor is back from vacation!

  3. on 06 Oct 2012 at 2:04 pm 3.alex said …

    “A man who reflects the beliefs of our founders in Washington.”

    bullshit, with a capital BULL. this not yo mama’s church forum. get the fuck outta here, driveby troll.

  4. on 06 Oct 2012 at 2:11 pm 4.DPK said …

    I didn’t waste time watching the video… But what’s with all the deer heads on the wall? Is this shot in Santa’s mausoleum for dead magical reindeer or something?

  5. on 06 Oct 2012 at 3:46 pm 5.The messenger said …

    Not all Christian Republicans are misguided. Sure some of them say or do bad things but that does not mean all of them are bad.

  6. on 06 Oct 2012 at 8:32 pm 6.Anonymous said …

    To 5.The messenger

    All Republican Leaders believe exactly the same thing Broun does. If all of them believe this and proclaim it publicly, so do the followers.

  7. on 06 Oct 2012 at 9:14 pm 7.JALindsay said …

    5.The messenger said …

    “Not all Christian Republicans are misguided. Sure some of them say or do bad things but that does not mean all of them are bad.”

    Misguided does not equal “bad.” Sure, some Christian Republicans are good people, probably most of them (despite the bad they tend to vote for), but that doesn’t imply they aren’t misguided.

    To believe in God, and thus to be a Christian, Republican or not, is to be misguided. If it is you, you were guided to believe in God (usually by your parents, although it might have been friends, other family members, or your culture), and since that belief cannot be substantiated, you were *mis*guided into it. So, all Christians are misguided, at least in the sense of having been guided to believe in something they have no good reasons to believe in.

  8. on 06 Oct 2012 at 10:47 pm 8.Truth said …

    I will take the so called “Christian Republican” (whatever that means) who is honest, doesn’t spend what we don’t have, cuts the size of government, not lazy, knows how many states we have and tells the truth over a misguided lying Liberal Atheist (I know I repeated myself)any where any time.

    Their view on the age of the earth and origins is completely irrelevant. Christian Republican is the Dummycrats way of taking your eye off the real issues like bankrupting the nation.

  9. on 06 Oct 2012 at 11:28 pm 9.alex said …

    “I will take the so called “Christian Republican”…”

    yikes! the truth’s hero is under attack. anybody that doesn’t agree with truth’s homeboy is a vile dummycrat or a Liberal Atheist.

    the only irrelevant is you, you idiot troll (I know I repeated myself).

    it’s always the same. you fuckers try to justify the subject matter by your lame, laughable attempt to point out irrelevant shit.

    officer, why are you ticketing me? there are other crimes being committed.

    fucken moron.

  10. on 07 Oct 2012 at 12:44 am 10.JALindsay said …

    8.Truth said …

    ‘I will take the so called “Christian Republican” (whatever that means) who is honest,’

    I might too, if you can find one for me. Then again, I might not, because if he’s a “Christian Republican” who is honest, he probably honestly believes things like that if he prays for rain, Texas will get it. I wouldn’t vote for that, whatever the good (and bad) citizens of Texas might have done in their most recent gubernatorial election.

    8.Truth… “doesn’t spend what we don’t have,”

    I haven’t seen a Republican yet that adheres to this, unfortunately. Their game is usually to ramp up spending, cut a few things that their constituents find repulsive, and try to grow GDP so they can create an illusion of having reduced spending. Maybe you should review the spending performances of all of the presidents since Eisenhower before embarrassing yourself?

    8.Truth… “cuts the size of government,”

    Define what you mean by this. I just told you what the standard Republican definition of this is: make government spending smaller relative to GDP by increasing both. It’s hardly “smaller government.” Maybe they shrink the size of government by doing small-government things like trying to manage women’s vaginas for them, or homosexuals’ behaviors?

    8.Truth… “not lazy,”

    Hmm, yes, certainly a desirable characteristic in a public servant. I’m reminded of a couple of fellows. On the one hand, there’s this chap in the Oval Office now. I think he’s taken something like 17 vacations in 4 years, many costing a lot of money. How irresponsible and lazy! If I’m not mistaken, though, his predecessor took something like 177 vacations over 8 years, the jet operation for Air Force One alone, just to those vacations of his that happened to go to his Texas ranch, totalling well over $25 million tax dollars. Then again, he was a hard-working (white) Texan going to a ranch to rustle up some steers, not a lazy (black) “Kenyan” that actually bothers to read his security briefings while on his vacations (Cf. Bush, May 2001, re: the Taliban and American targets, not read).

    8.Truth… “knows how many states we have”

    I’m not sure what this stupidity is about, but really, stop it. You’re killing us all with the dumb.

    8.Truth… “and tells the truth”

    You already said you preferred honesty. Redundant. Then again, maybe you don’t think of “honesty” and “telling the truth” as the same thing, seeing as you are a theist. Lots of theists get “honesty” and “sincerity” completely mixed up.

    8.Truth… “over a misguided lying Liberal Atheist”

    Which member of the United States government is a “misguided lying Liberal Atheist”? Please, be specific. Protip: if you say that the president is one, then not only are you wrong, but you disqualify yourself from calling him a Muslim later. You also disqualify yourself from saying he’s in cahoots with Islamic conservatives, maybe even one himself, like the Islamic brotherhood. Maybe, though, you’re talking about former Minnesota governor and ex-pro-wrestler Jesse Ventura, but he ran on the Reform Party ticket, which represents “liberal conservatism” (how’s that for a mindfuck?) and centrism, i.e. he’s not a “lying Liberal Atheist” since he’s not a “liberal,” or a “Liberal” as it were. Did I ever mention how much I love the individuality folks like you demonstrate with capitalization syntax? Theists… always good for entertaining grammar.

    8.Truth… “(I know I repeated myself)”

    Then why did you do it?

    8.Truth… “any where any time.”

    Would you take him on a train?
    Would you take him on a plane?
    Would you take him on a bus?
    Come on now, answer, make no fuss!

  11. on 07 Oct 2012 at 12:53 am 11.Scourge said …

    The notion that conservative christian Republicans are “good” people is no different from asserting Hitler was a good guy because he tipped the gardener a 100DM for Christmas. These people falsify any definition that does not encompass malevolent and highly malignant evil. They, especially Paul Broun and the garbage running for Pres and VP on the Rep ticket, are the lowest form of humans extant- Broun is just a pathetic cracker, Romney and Ryan are sociopath and amoral opportunist respectively. Can anyone imagine a piece of garbage Mormon as president of the US? It is worse than a Baptist! It is an extremely sad day for the United States.

  12. on 07 Oct 2012 at 1:04 am 12.The messenger said …

    6.Anonymous not all of the Christian Republican leader believe in the same things that Broun does. I am a Christian Republican and I do not believe in the exact same thing Broun does. You are wrong to assume that all Christian Republicans believe in the same things.

  13. on 07 Oct 2012 at 1:14 am 13.The messenger said …

    10.JALindsay republicans want to lower spending because they do not want America to increase it’s dept. They do not want to increase dept. If republican political ideas are so bad for the American government, explain to me exactly why almost all of the Democratic ideas have not yet improved or fixed the economy like Obama promised.
    The only way to fix this economy is to Increase small business so people can once again be employed.

    The Democratic way has FAILED, we need new ideas, we need Republican Christian ideas.

  14. on 07 Oct 2012 at 1:51 am 14.A said …

    Lindsay is one of those completely clueless atheists. Hmmm, that was redundant. It has been the theists, by a vast majority, who have made the greatest advancements in the history of mankind from science to art. Lindsay sees her ilk as relevant and important. In reality they live in a bubble with their cult-like gooneys.

    She will vote for the boy wonder in the White House, pat herself on the back and tell herself how enlightened she and her ilk are in the culture.

  15. on 07 Oct 2012 at 2:05 am 15.JALindsay said …

    12.Asstro…

    You’re as dumb as they say. Wow. Even a quick glance at my handle here would indicate that “Lindsay” is my last name, not first, and that JA might be my initials. Clicking on the link I provided would confirm that for you, as my first name is James.

    I’m supposed to trust your assessment? No, I don’t think so. Why don’t you stop wasting people’s time and go ahead and provide the evidence you say you have that your imaginary God exists?

  16. on 07 Oct 2012 at 2:07 am 16.Lou(DFW) said …

    12.ASS, a lying, dishonest, theist fraud said …

    “Lindsay is one of those completely clueless atheists.”

    Let’s assume that he is. So what? How is that evidence for your imaginary god for which you NEVER, EVER present any evidence – coward.

    “She will vote for the boy wonder in the White House, pat herself on the back and tell herself how enlightened she and her ilk are in the culture.”

    Poor ASS simply can’t control his President Obama OCD.

  17. on 07 Oct 2012 at 2:10 am 17.Lou(DFW) said …

    13.JALindsay said …

    12.Asstro…

    “You’re as dumb as they say.”

    Dumber, and too dumb to realize it, as he continuously demonstrates. It’s the only evidence he has to offer. If only he had similarly convincing evidence for his imaginary god.

  18. on 07 Oct 2012 at 3:26 am 18.A said …

    on 07 Oct 2012 at 1:51 am 15.A said …
    Lindsay is one of those completely clueless atheists. Hmmm, that was redundant. It has been the theists, by a vast majority, who have made the greatest advancements in the history of mankind from science to art. Lindsay sees her ilk as relevant and important. In reality they live in a bubble with their cult-like gooneys.
    She will vote for the boy wonder in the White House, pat herself on the back and tell herself how enlightened she and her ilk are in the culture.

  19. on 07 Oct 2012 at 3:28 am 19.A said …

    13.JALindsay you are really dumb.

    I never said that lindsay was your last name.

    Think before you posts.

  20. on 07 Oct 2012 at 3:45 am 20.A said …

    on 07 Oct 2012 at 1:51 am 15.A said …
    Lindsay is one of those completely clueless atheists. Hmmm, that was redundant. It has been the theists, by a vast majority, who have made the greatest advancements in the history of mankind from science to art. Lindsay sees her ilk as relevant and important. In reality they live in a bubble with their cult-like gooneys.
    She will vote for the boy wonder in the White House, pat herself on the back and tell herself how enlightened she and her ilk are in the culture.”

  21. on 07 Oct 2012 at 3:47 am 21.Anonymous said …

    The portion of the brain that filters fact from fiction doesn’t work well in religious folks.

  22. on 07 Oct 2012 at 3:58 pm 22.The messenger said …

    on 07 Oct 2012 at 1:14 am 13.The messenger said …
    10.JALindsay republicans want to lower spending because they do not want America to increase it’s dept. They do not want to increase dept. If republican political ideas are so bad for the American government, explain to me exactly why almost all of the Democratic ideas have not yet improved or fixed the economy like Obama promised.
    The only way to fix this economy is to Increase small business so people can once again be employed.
    The Democratic way has FAILED, we need new ideas, we need Republican Christian ideas.

  23. on 07 Oct 2012 at 6:17 pm 23.A said …

    “12.Asstro…

    Even a quick glance at my handle here would indicate that “Lindsay” is my last name, not first, and that JA might be my initials.”

    Hmmmmmm, Lindsay my handle is A, not Asstro, and you have the audacity to refer to another as dumb? lol!!

    Hey at least the theist here are not stealing your handle. Sigh, the childish atheists back to their antics. And yes, I dropped your first initials and called you by your last name? so?

    Other than concern your handle has not been used properly, do you have relevant rebuttal?

  24. on 07 Oct 2012 at 7:16 pm 24.JALindsay said …

    22.Asstro said …

    “Other than concern your handle has not been used properly, do you have relevant rebuttal?”

    My relevant “rebuttal” on you, Asstro, was pointing out your lack of even basic research skills. It would have taken you about eighteen seconds to have determined my gender correctly before getting on your high-horse and spouting about it as if it is something that you know about.

    No doubt, this reflects the kind of deep and careful research that you employ in other arenas, such as your surely “considered” belief in a God you claim you have evidence for but never provide.

  25. on 07 Oct 2012 at 10:30 pm 25.DPK said …

    I find it particularly poignant that the “capital A” Astrophysicist is demanding a “rebuttal” when he hasn’t even offered a position. Unless of course he thinks his claim that all the progress made in the world is directly attributed to theists, and atheists only contribution to humanity has been tasty recipes for baking children and old people into pies.

  26. on 08 Oct 2012 at 1:02 am 26.A said …

    “It would have taken you about eighteen seconds to have determined my gender correctly”

    True, if concerned anything about your gender. Eighteen seconds was not worth the exertion. It is amusing you think so much of yourself we should all look into it.

    What else you got? Anything?

    Want to tell us about the delusion of theists?

    Hmmmm? We have heard all the parroting by the atheists.

    How much research have you put into the vast majority of key advancements of mankind coming from theists? But we are to reason that they are delusional while young elitist have done all the research and discovered the truth.
    You are as funny as alex.

  27. on 08 Oct 2012 at 1:04 am 27.A said …

    “your surely “considered” belief in a God you claim you have evidence for but never provide.”

    Didn’t you just show up Lindsay? How would you know……unless……..you are a sock puppet?

    I thought so. Whats a girl to do?

  28. on 08 Oct 2012 at 2:07 am 28.JALindsay said …

    26.A said …

    “True, if concerned anything about your gender. Eighteen seconds was not worth the exertion. It is amusing you think so much of yourself we should all look into it.”

    27.A said …

    “Didn’t you just show up Lindsay? How would you know……unless……..you are a sock puppet?”

    Unlike you, I do some homework before spouting off at the mouth. You’ve got quite the reputation here, Asstro.

    I’m tickled by your the smug way you think that you’re brilliant, though, while you demonstrate repeatedly what a moron you are on thread after thread after thread on this site. The thing is, telling you that you’re the moron that you are is of no use. Morons never think they’re morons.

    Oh, and I’ve been around before. I’ve changed my handle now that I’ve published. I’m the one that outed you as the Asstrophysicist that you’re not. ;-)

  29. on 08 Oct 2012 at 11:53 am 29.Lou(DFW) said …

    26.ASS said …

    “True, if concerned anything about your gender.”

    Apparently you are concerned about it because you’re the one who mentioned it. But the truth is that in your usual state of stupidity you assumed Lindsay is a girl’s first name.

    “Eighteen seconds was not worth the exertion. It is amusing you think so much of yourself we should all look into it.”

    I don’t doubt that eighteen seconds of clicking on a link and reading a few words is too much exertion for you.

  30. on 08 Oct 2012 at 12:00 pm 30.Lou(DFW) said …

    27.ASS said …

    “Didn’t you just show up Lindsay? How would you know……”

    It’s possible that some people, unlike you, actually read without commenting.

    “unless……..you are a sock puppet?

    I thought so. Whats a girl to do?”

    Poor ASS. So confused by words again. Sock-puppeting is not the act of changing a “handle.”

    ASS, it should be obvious, especially to you if for no other reason than he humiliated you so many times, who JALindsay previously posted as.

  31. on 08 Oct 2012 at 7:17 pm 31.Ben said …

    Yup, JA is just another atheist puppet.

    Busted!

    They believe the more they have the more clout they will carry.

  32. on 08 Oct 2012 at 8:56 pm 32.JALindsay said …

    31.Ben said …

    “Yup, JA is just another atheist puppet. Busted!”

    Almost as if on cue….

  33. on 08 Oct 2012 at 9:14 pm 33.Lou(DFW) said …

    31.Has-Ben said …

    “Yup, JA is just another atheist puppet.

    Busted!”

    OK, liar, provide your evidence that he is a sock-puppet.

  34. on 08 Oct 2012 at 9:16 pm 34.Lou(DFW) said …

    32.JALindsay said …

    31.Ben said …

    “Yup, JA is just another atheist puppet. Busted!”

    “Almost as if on cue….”

    “Yup,” ASS demonstrated his stupidity by misunderstanding what a sock-puppet is, then here comes Has-Ben to support him.

  35. on 09 Oct 2012 at 12:15 am 35.DPK said …

    Prime returns… Kickin’ ass and takin’ names.
    Welcome back.

  36. on 09 Oct 2012 at 1:20 am 36.Lou(DFW) said …

    35.DPK said …

    “Prime returns… Kickin’ ass and takin’ names.
    Welcome back.”

    Good – you got. Por Hor didn’t.

  37. on 09 Oct 2012 at 1:29 am 37.Curmudgeon said …

    JALindsay I thought you were the sock for alex.

    We have Lou and DPK socking. You and alex seem to be a good fit.

    Moving on to the thread.

    I bet everyone of the CRs could present a better argument for the US economy, protecting our embassies and hard work than our incumbent POTUS. As long as they don’t participate in self-worship like our incumbent POTUS we should be fine. So, whatever they believe about God is moot.

  38. on 09 Oct 2012 at 1:58 am 38.JALindsay said …

    Actually, the thread is about how this moron in office has declared that science is lies from the “pit of hell” (any tips on where exactly that pit is? You’d think someone would have noticed it by now…) designed to mislead people away from an oppressive and foolish belief system in which they have to practice groveling before their betters to have a chance of getting anything in life. The point of the thread is the utter outrage that this man holds public office in the world’s largest modern democracy and that he holds a position on the science and technology committee of a chamber of Congress–while openly professing to reject the fundamentals of science.

    It’s rather like having an openly atheist preacher, if you need an analogy that can penetrate your thick skull, only vastly more consequential and embarrassing, kind of like your inability to (a) identify what the term “sock puppet” actually means, (b) use it correctly in a sentence, or (c) correctly assess who is who here. Lou(DFW) and DPK have figured it out, and DPK even told you the answer. Incredible.

  39. on 09 Oct 2012 at 2:24 am 39.Curmudgeon said …

    Incredible indeed. You are not too bright are you JA? You can’t even pick up an obvious slight. Lou (DFW) is perhaps your sock too since I have noticed he misses the obvious quite habitually as well. You young men are such a blast to prod.

    Let me clear up for you what the thread is about. The thread is about whatever angle I decide to take on the subject matter. If you don’t like it, don’t act in response. You wouldn’t know what true science is if it bit you on your butt but this I can reassure you. He discerns more about the ToE than some guy named JA on this blog.

  40. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:16 am 40.Lou(DFW) said …

    All the sudden, here comes the sock-puppets at once -

    Crum, ASS, Has-Ben, the rest will be sure to follow.

  41. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:27 am 41.Lou(DFW) said …

    39.Crum said …

    “You young men are such a blast to prod.”

    And that’s all you ever do here. You NEVER, EVER contribute anything relevant or intelligent, nor provide any evidence for your imaginary god.

    “Let me clear up for you what the thread is about. The thread is about whatever angle I decide to take on the subject matter.”

    LOL! Whatever angle you take is always off-topic – an irrelevant tangent to the subject.

    And ASS, you still display your Obama OCD.

  42. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:46 am 42.JALindsay said …

    39.Curmudgeon said …

    “Let me clear up for you what the thread is about. The thread is about whatever angle I decide to take on the subject matter.”

    Let me clear up for you what the rules of basketball are. It’s my ball, so I win.

    Please, call us arrogant, Forum-King Curm.

  43. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:47 am 43.JALindsay said …

    Correction: It isn’t even his ball.

  44. on 09 Oct 2012 at 4:00 am 44.The messenger said …

    on 07 Oct 2012 at 3:58 pm 22.The messenger said …
    on 07 Oct 2012 at 1:14 am 13.The messenger said …
    10.JALindsay republicans want to lower spending because they do not want America to increase it’s dept. They do not want to increase dept. If republican political ideas are so bad for the American government, explain to me exactly why almost all of the Democratic ideas have not yet improved or fixed the economy like Obama promised.
    The only way to fix this economy is to Increase small business so people can once again be employed.
    The Democratic way has FAILED, we need new ideas, we need Republican Christian ideas. ‘

  45. on 09 Oct 2012 at 7:29 am 45.Anonymous said …

    “Since the economic future of the United States depends on our tradition of technological innovation, Representative Broun’s views are not in the national interest,” Nye told The Huffington Post in an email. “For example, the Earth is simply not 9,000 years old,” he continued, contradicting a remark made by Broun later in the video. “He is, by any measure, unqualified to make decisions about science, space, and technology.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/07/bill-nye-paul-broun-science-space-technology_n_1947125.html

  46. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:03 pm 46.JALindsay said …

    44.The messenger said …

    on 07 Oct 2012 at 3:58 pm 22.The messenger said …
    on 07 Oct 2012 at 1:14 am 13.The messenger said …

    “If I say something stupid enough times, it makes it true and important. I learned that at church.”

  47. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:11 pm 47.Lou(DFW) said …

    44.The messenger said …

    “If republican political ideas are so bad for the American government, explain to me exactly why almost all of the Democratic ideas have not yet improved or fixed the economy like Obama promised.”

    We know you can’t provide evidence for your imaginary god, so take your political rants to a political forum.

  48. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:24 pm 48.Lou(DFW) said …

    44.The messenger said …

    “we need Republican Christian ideas.”

    “All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.” – Congressman Paul Broun, R

    “The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21″ – Charlie Fuqua, Arkansas Legislative Candidate, R

    Yes, that’s what we need, more xtian lunacy.

  49. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:29 pm 49.Lou(DFW) said …

    House Science Committee: Remove Rep. Paul Broun

    https://www.change.org/petitions/house-science-committee-remove-rep-paul-broun

    http://science.house.gov/contact-us/email-us

  50. on 09 Oct 2012 at 11:32 pm 50.The messenger said …

    47.Lou(DFW) you want evidence? Hear is your evidence. FOUR long year of failure and debt increase. Obama’s Ideas have not improved the economy in any way. The democrats have failed. We need new ideas.

  51. on 09 Oct 2012 at 11:35 pm 51.The messenger said …

    46.JALindsay I post my comments several times so people will seen them. If I post it once it is easy to miss.

  52. on 10 Oct 2012 at 1:35 am 52.Lou(DFW) said …

    50.The misguied said …

    “47.Lou(DFW) you want evidence? Hear is your evidence. FOUR long year of failure and debt increase.”

    First of all, dimwit, I didn’t ask for THAT evidence, even though it’s not evidence. I asked for evidence for your imaginary god.

    Second, idiot, we can’t “hear” your alleged evidence.

    You’re challenging ASS for blog idiot.

  53. on 10 Oct 2012 at 11:06 am 53.Truth said …

    Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon
    A prominent scientist who had previously dismissed the possibility of the afterlife says he has reconsidered his belief after experiencing an out of body experience which has convinced him that heaven exists.

    Dr Eben Alexander, a Harvard-educated neurosurgeon, fell into a coma for seven days in 2008 after contracting meningitis.

    During his illness Dr Alexander says that the part of his brain which controls human thought and emotion “shut down” and that he then experienced “something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death.” In an essay for American magazine Newsweek, which he wrote to promote his book Proof of Heaven,

  54. on 10 Oct 2012 at 12:07 pm 54.Lou(DFW) said …

    53.Truth-less said …

    “Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon”

    LOL! And in other news, hundreds of people claimed to be abducted by aliens and examined aboard their spacecraft.

    Admittedly, I had similar experiences – every night when I go to sleep I have out of body experiences wherein I meet people that are now dead or that I am unable to meet during my “in of body” life. I am sometimes able to fly through the air without the aid of any mechanical device.

    So, yes, an afterlife exists because I claim it does! It’s a “scientific reason.”

  55. on 10 Oct 2012 at 4:30 pm 55.Lou(DFW) said …

    Politician disses embryology; embryologists promptly win Nobel prize

    http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/politician-disses-embryology-embryologists-win-nobel-prize/

  56. on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:05 pm 56.Lou said …

    Truth,

    No doubt about it. The Bible has never been proven wrong. Give time it always proves true.

  57. on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:09 pm 57.Lou(DFW) said …

    53.Truth said …

    “Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon [not scientist]”

    Hey, Truthless, how is an NDE similar to actual death?

    If someone claims to go to heaven, then they must be DEAD, correct? So, his claim must be that he actually died, went to heaven, and then returned from death.

    We are ALL living an NDE – it jut gets nearer and nearer to death as we live.

  58. on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:26 pm 58.Severin said …

    53 Truth
    “Dr Eben Alexander, a Harvard-educated neurosurgeon, fell into a coma for seven days in 2008 after contracting meningitis.
    During his illness Dr Alexander says … ”

    How does it prove afterlife?

    All I can conclude from that is that human brain is “working” independently of other organs, which we already knew.

    Coma is NOT death.

  59. on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:36 pm 59.Lou(DFW) said …

    58.Severin said …

    “How does it prove afterlife?”

    It doesn’t. It will, however, when his book hits the bestseller list, prove that the public is mostly comprised of gullible idiots.

    http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Real-Little-Astounding-Story/dp/0849946158

  60. on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:54 pm 60.Lou(DFW) said …

    56.Louser said …

    “No doubt about it. The Bible has never been proven wrong.”

    LOL!

    1. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
    2. Neither has the orbiting teapot “been proven wrong.”

  61. on 11 Oct 2012 at 12:19 am 61.The messenger said …

    52.Lou(DFW) I thought that you were talking about the political part of this post. My bad.

  62. on 14 Oct 2012 at 8:41 pm 62.david sorensen said …

    This may interest you: http://youtu.be/rNXLT8h_fIo

  63. on 14 Oct 2012 at 9:19 pm 63.Lou(DFW) said …

    62.david sorensen said …

    “This may interest you: http://youtu.be/rNXLT8h_fIo

    LOL! There is no such thing as “The Theory Of Evolution.”

    “We live in a world where it is almost forbidden to ask questions about the origin of life.”

    LOL! No we don’t!

    Evolution this, evolution that, blah, blah, blah – IRRELEVANT! It’s just another distraction to divert attention from the FACT that there is no evidence for your imaginary god.

    Where is the the evidence for GOD, NOT EVOLUTION?

  64. on 14 Oct 2012 at 9:37 pm 64.The messenger said …

    58.SeverinGod took his soul out of his body for most of the time that he was in that coma.

  65. on 14 Oct 2012 at 9:42 pm 65.The messenger said …

    In comment 56 I forgot to type in the word (GOD) after severin.

    My bad.

  66. on 01 Nov 2012 at 10:08 pm 66.The messenger said …

    63.Lou(DFW) I have given you plenty of evidence for God’s existence, when will you replied the truth.

  67. on 06 Nov 2012 at 11:48 am 67.Suzie said …

    Question for you atheist folks:

    If no one has ever seen a black hole, how do you know there is such a thing?
    Where is your scientific proof?

    “Well”, you say, “You look at the undeniable scientific proof that objects near the black hole are influenced in a certain way”. You would point to such things as gravitational pull vis a vis the bending of light, the movement of celestial bodies, etc.

    Proof of God is the same. You cannot see God, but you see manifestations of Him in people’s behavior. You notice trends. People who attend Christian services regularly seem to trend towards good behavior more so than people who do not.

    For example, let’s say you are a landlord. The only thing you know about Prospective Tenant A is he and his family attend Mass weekly. The only thing you know about Prospective Tenant B is he and his family don’t believe in God and have never attended a religious service. So which, absent of all other knowledge, would you assume to be the tenant who pays the rent on time, mows the lawn, cleans the house, and keeps the dog from peeing on the carpet? Me and everybody I know would take the churchgoer every time. Why? You look at the externals. The faithful Christian as a rule takes care of business. The atheist probably doesn’t.

    Frankly, from what I have observed, most avowed atheists are a mess in their personal lives. Look at one of the most famous, George Carlin. This guy made a living ridiculing the religious, but his own life was so screwed-up with drug-and alcohol addictions. In fact he had to enter rehab at age 67. Quite a role model, huh? Why would anyone want a guy like that as their life coach?

    So where easy concrete evidence is lacking, you then look at manifestations. We do that for black holes. We do it in the case of God.

  68. on 06 Nov 2012 at 12:08 pm 68.Anonymous said …

    So Suzie believes in a god because she has a personal bias towards people who believe the same nonsense as she does.

    Thanks for playing. Thanks for showing that you’ve no proof only a desire to believe.

    What a fool.

  69. on 06 Nov 2012 at 1:47 pm 69.Lou(DFW) said …

    67.Suzie said …

    “Question for you atheist folks:”
    If no one has ever seen a black hole, how do you know there is such a thing?”

    Suzie immediately begins with the false assumption that athesits somehow know that black holes exist and that we all have “scientific proof” for them.

    “Where is your scientific proof?”

    Suzie, this is a blog about god and religion, not black holes. As long as theists want to foist their superstitious beliefs upon those who don’t believe it, then the onus is upon you and theists to “prove” that your imaginary god exists. It’s not for atheists to prove any science to you.

    “Proof of God is the same. You cannot see God, but you see manifestations of Him in people’s behavior. You notice trends.”

    Except that there are other more reasonable explanations for human behavior. Oh, and by the way, which god affects human behavior? I see things differently than you. If your imaginary god was real, then people would actually act as you describe. But because they don’t is simply more evidence that god does NOT exist.

    “People who attend Christian services regularly seem to trend towards good behavior more so than people who do not.”

    LOL! Where is your scientific proof of that?

    “So which, absent of all other knowledge, would you assume to be the tenant who pays the rent on time, mows the lawn, cleans the house, and keeps the dog from peeing on the carpet?”

    The atheist tenant – of course! And I say that in all honesty.

    “You look at the externals. The faithful Christian as a rule takes care of business. The atheist probably doesn’t.”

    Probably?!

    “Quite a role model, huh? Why would anyone want a guy like that as their life coach?”

    Do you REALLY want us to list all the scandals involving religious leaders? Some life coach they all were.

    Atheists are a very small minority in this country (US). Xtians are the majority. So it must be true that the majority of criminals, alcoholics, and drug addicts must be xtians, too, right?

    Suzie, what portion of Americans regularly attend church? It’s only about 20%. If your imaginary god actually affects human behavior, then why aren’t many more people regularly attending church?

    “So where easy concrete evidence is lacking, you then look at manifestations. We do that for black holes. We do it in the case of God.”

    Your false analogy is simply a rationalization for your false belief in an imaginary god.

    Suzie, why did you conveniently ignore all the xtian bible stories wherein your imaginary god regularly interacted with humans?

  70. on 06 Nov 2012 at 1:48 pm 70.Anonymous said …

    Question for Suzie.

    The John Jay report on the pedophiles that were raping little boys and girls, some as young as 3, who in your circles are known a priests, show some frightening statistics. Assuming, of course, that you find sexual abuse of children to be disturbing. I know that I do.

    How do you reconcile the fact that these priests who are supposed to be delivering the word of your god, rape children at a rate equal to, or in many cases considerably higher, than the population average?

    Perhaps when you said “The faithful Christian as a rule takes care of business” you were referring to the act of buggering little boys? I do hope not, but you do seem remarkably out of touch with reality none-the-less.

  71. on 06 Nov 2012 at 2:00 pm 71.Anonymous said …

    If Suzie’s arguments were real, then the US prisons wouldn’t find themselves over-populated with Christians – but they do and they are.

  72. on 06 Nov 2012 at 3:13 pm 72.Lou(DFW) said …

    67.Suzie said …

    “You look at the externals. The faithful Christian as a rule takes care of business. The atheist probably doesn’t.”

    The Boy Scouts Of America are a primarily xtian organization strongly supported by xtian churches. On October 19, 2012, the Boy Scouts of America were forced to release over 20,000 pages of documentation on 1,200 alleged child sexual abuse cases within the organization from between 1965 and 1985. Not only did the BSA allow sexual abuse to happen, but they allegedly conspired with the police to hide it, and even allowed known sex offenders to continue as scout leaders.

    These people are literally xtian life coaches, but you didn’t mention them as you did George Carlin, who was in no way whatsoever a role model or life coach. Why didn’t you, Suzie?

    The BSA excluded atheists and agnostics, but welcomed and protected theist pedophiles.

  73. on 06 Nov 2012 at 3:16 pm 73.Lou(DFW) said …

    70.Anonymous said …

    “Perhaps when you said “The faithful Christian as a rule takes care of business” you were referring to the act of buggering little boys?”

    67.Suzie said …

    “The faithful Christian as a rule takes care of business. The atheist probably doesn’t.”

    That’s why atheists and agnostics are excluded form the BSA, but theist pedophiles were welcomed.

  74. on 06 Nov 2012 at 7:07 pm 74.Xenon said …

    Suzie,

    Great question. Atheist are so close. They have faith in as many things as theists. They just leave out God. I fell certain it is a psychological disorder.

  75. on 06 Nov 2012 at 7:56 pm 75.Lou(DFW) said …

    74.Xenonsense said …

    “Great question [other me]. Atheist are so close.”

    Close to what?

    “They have faith in as many things as theists.”

    I certainly have faith in the delusion of theists and in your stupidity. But, are you also trying to claim that atheists have faith in black holes? Let’s assume that we do – so what? How does that change the indisputable fact that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god?

    “They just leave out God.”

    Actually, there is no evidence for your imaginary god, but there’s evidence for all the other things in the universe that we observe. Therefore, it’s the theists who ADD god, not to mention thousands of gods, the vast majority of whom have been proven to be false, even by your standards, moron.

    Volcanoes erupt – volcano god.

    Lightning strikes – lightning god.

    Thunder claps – thunder god.

    Black holes – xtain god?

    “I fell certain it is a psychological disorder.”

    Who gives a shit what you “fell.” What you can demonstrate is relevant. So, xenonsense, demonstrate that your imaginary god is real.

  76. on 06 Nov 2012 at 10:58 pm 76.Lou(DFW) said …

    A question for Su-xenonsense

    If you believe that the evidence for god is compelling, how do you explain that it is not accepted by so many otherwise reasonable, intelligent people?

    The people who understand the math and other evidence for black-holes are infinitely smarter than you and I, but the majority of them don’t accept your claim that human behavior is a manifestation of god or accept the idea of god himself. Why is that?

  77. on 06 Nov 2012 at 11:14 pm 77.Anonymous said …

    Note that now that Suzie’s argument has failed so spectacularly, the sock puppets are out in force. Are they providing arguments in support of the claim? No, they are here to change the subject and make more unsupportedclaims.

    Xenon/Sue, please answer the questions.

  78. on 07 Nov 2012 at 12:22 am 78.Dez said …

    A question for Lou

    If you believe that the evidence for god is not compelling, how do you explain that it is accepted by so many otherwise reasonable, intelligent people?

  79. on 07 Nov 2012 at 12:47 am 79.Anonymous said …

    Suzie said: “For example, let’s say you are a landlord.”

    Well, let’s turn that around and look at it from the perspective of being the tenant of a believer. Lets up the stakes and we’ll talk about when *I* was the tenant of a “man of the cloth”.

    This was in small, parish, community. If the other atheists would like me to write an essay about this man’s misdeeds, I can. But I’ll sum it up for you:

    This “man of the cloth” was known locally, and I experienced it first hand, for being a drunkard and a bully. He misused his privilege to drive drunk and avoid keeping his car inspection up to date. He didn’t expect to be charged at the local bar and, when he was, his bar bill went unpaid. The local police would roll their eyes and give him a pass – it was considered impolite to charge him, particularly in such a small community.

    I was severely restricted as to when I could use heat or hot water, despite his bills being paid by the church. I would be in my room freezing whilst they lounged by the fire. He snooped in my living area and let himself in as and when he liked.

    Generally speaking, this individual was a two-faced miscreant who preached “the word” on Sundays, decked himself out in the official trappings of the church, but whose morals were in the gutter.

    That is the reality of how little “god’s word” means in reality. He obviously had no concern of divine retribution yet the flock still followed him out of a misplaced fear of a bronze age storm god.

  80. on 07 Nov 2012 at 1:33 am 80.alex said …

    “…how do you explain that it is accepted by so many otherwise reasonable, intelligent…”

    Because to a moron like you, anything over 10 is “so many”. I’m sure there are thousands of smart people who understand black holes and other cerebral shit. I’m also sure you can find at least eleven of them that accepts your bullshit god.

    Just about every poll confirms that the majority of these “smart people” do not believe in your bullshit personal god. As is the usual theist M.O., you turn that around and point out to the few and proclaim that there are so many.

    But, it doesn’t really matter what these smart people think, because at the end of the day, you ain’t got nothing for god proof.

  81. on 07 Nov 2012 at 2:21 am 81.JJ said …

    Anonymous’ fairytale analysis.

    No true Scotsman
    Irrelevant Conclusions
    Fallacy of Sweeping generalizations
    Argument by innuendo

    Many more but enough to dismiss his one sided story.

  82. on 07 Nov 2012 at 2:52 am 82.Lou(DFW) said …

    78.Dizzy said …

    “If you believe that the evidence for god is not compelling, how do you explain that it is accepted by so many otherwise reasonable, intelligent people?”

    LOL! It isn’t. By definition, the majority of people are NOT reasonable, intelligent people. The majority of people are of average and below-average intelligence. And the truth of the matter is, again by definition, that those same people believe in god as a matter of FAITH, not as a matter of evidence.

    How do YOU explain that most of those people that you claim are reasonable, intelligent people don’t accept YOUR god?

  83. on 07 Nov 2012 at 3:17 am 83.Anonymous said …

    Ah, our resident troll and puppet master outs himself again with his trying to divert attention by accusing people of fallacies. He outs himself because he NEVER gets it right. Stupid troll is stupid.

    Guess you didn’t like the fact that there’s so many examples of how your moral claims are as real as your imaginary god?

    What do we have now? Priests who rape. Priests who cheat. Priests who are drunks. Priests who think the law doesn’t apply to them. Priests who ask for special treatment. What a shambles.

    Still, give us all a laugh. Show us the No True Scotsman in that post. I’ll go to church every day for a week if you can! We’ll get to the other ones after we’ve finished embarrassing you with this one.

    Also, you were challenged (under your other sock puppet names) to answer questions. Stop evading and start answering and providing proof.

  84. on 07 Nov 2012 at 12:38 pm 84.Lou(DFW) said …

    Once again the xtians are disappointed by their imaginary god.

  85. on 07 Nov 2012 at 3:00 pm 85.Lou(DFW) said …

    84.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Once again the xtians are disappointed by their imaginary god.”

    Come on, sock-puppets – I want to now hear you say that Obama really wasn’t a muslim.

  86. on 07 Nov 2012 at 3:11 pm 86.MrQ said …

    A question for Dez:
    If you believe that the evidence for god is so compelling, how do you explain that god is rejected by so many reasonable, intelligent people?

    Such as myself ;-)

    BTW, Congrats on your election. Waving good-bye to Captain Magic Underpants was a great move. The lord works in mysterious ways, doesn’t she?

  87. on 07 Nov 2012 at 5:53 pm 87.Lou(DFW) said …

    Republican nuts Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock Lose Senate Races: Celebs Mock Candidates’ Rape Comments

    http://tinyurl.com/bb5c6vy

  88. on 07 Nov 2012 at 6:11 pm 88.Lou(DFW) said …

    The delusion/insanity of xtian politics:

    Tea Party Slams Mitt Romney as ‘Weak Moderate Candidate’ Hand-Picked by ‘Mushy-Middle’ GOP

    http://tinyurl.com/bms6chd

    Right, Romney isn’t conservative enough, so conservatives voted for muslim Obama?

  89. on 07 Nov 2012 at 6:24 pm 89.Lou(DFW) said …

    Another example of xtian delusion:

    “Disappointed Sarah Palin To Greta: I Cannot Believe That The Majority Of Americans’ Would Support Obama”

    http://tinyurl.com/anvqwyz

    Wake-up, Sarah and delusional xtians! The truth of the matter is that extremest religious nuts like you live in a bubble.

    Poor Sarah simply doesn’t understand that SHE GOT OBAMA ELECTED when she became McCain’s running mate.

  90. on 07 Nov 2012 at 6:34 pm 90.Lou(DFW) said …

    Election Outcome Is Bitter Defeat For Catholic Bishops And Religious Right Groups

    http://tinyurl.com/a3gq8zs

  91. on 07 Nov 2012 at 7:55 pm 91.A said …

    JJ,

    I think another issue is in play here. Imagine, having to rent a room to annoy. It could be this Priest wants him to move out. The things this Priest see must be horrifying.

  92. on 07 Nov 2012 at 9:07 pm 92.Lou(DFW) said …

    90.ASS said …

    “JJ,
    I think another issue is in play here.”

    Who cares what you think?

    “Imagine, having to rent a room to annoy.”

    Imagine, of all the comments posted since ASS last ran and hid, he chooses this one to answer. Hmmm, who has “issues?”

    “It could be this Priest wants him to move out. The things this Priest see must be horrifying.”

    It could be that it was a basement apartment, and it reminds you of your Broadway In The Basement days. THAT is something that horrifying to any normal person – so that excludes you and a priest.

  93. on 07 Nov 2012 at 11:46 pm 93.Anonymous said …

    Keep it up, Hor. All you are doing is demonstrating that the overwhelming bulk of your contributions here are personal attacks and snide comments.

    That you need to employ multiple identities in order to discharge your fear and hatred in public, speaks volumes to the depth of your hatred. The vehemence of your attacks upon people’s character in order to undermine their comments, further emphasises the child-like nature of your beliefs, and the childish way that you prefer tantrum over discussion.

    Keep it up. You’re losing so spectacularly it’s almost a shame to see you stop.

  94. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:50 am 94.Suzie said …

    “Thanks for playing. Thanks for showing that you’ve no proof only a desire to believe.
    What a fool.”

    I have as much proof there is a God as you do black holes.

  95. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:56 am 95.Suzie said …

    Lou,

    I find it odd you say the onus is on me to prove there is a God, yet you repeatedly refer to God as ‘imaginary’. Since you are making such a declarative claim, I’d say the onus is on you to prove God is imaginary.

    Two sets of rules with these people. Always two sets of rules.

  96. on 08 Nov 2012 at 1:59 am 96.Suzie said …

    “Do you REALLY want us to list all the scandals involving religious leaders? Some life coach they all were.”

    Sure. There are bad people in every organization who do not follow the tenants of that organzation. Ergo my term “as a rule”.

  97. on 08 Nov 2012 at 2:02 am 97.Suzie said …

    “Election Outcome Is Bitter Defeat For Catholic Bishops And Religious Right Groups”

    You don’t understand. Man’s laws or decisions have absolutely nothing to do with God’s laws. Do you think people’s bad decisions somehow change the Catholic Church’s view on the evil practices of abortion and birth control?

    We aren’t “defeated” because we will never give up trying to change hearts and minds.

  98. on 08 Nov 2012 at 2:05 am 98.Suzie said …

    “Republican nuts Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock Lose Senate Races: Celebs Mock Candidates’ Rape Comments”

    All that proves is the leftwing media can lie about conservatives’ remarks. The media is basically claiming Mourdock said ‘rape is the will of God’. The godless left has an agenda, and the truth is never an obstacle.

  99. on 22 Nov 2012 at 3:15 pm 99.Lou(DFW) said …

    Xtian nut Pat Robertson admits he blew election prediction he received from his imaginary god:

    “So many of us miss God, I won’t get into great detail about elections but I sure did miss it, I thought I heard from God, I thought I had heard clearly from God, what happened?”

    “You ask God, how did I miss it? Well, we all do and I have a lot of practice.”

    Yes Pat, you have a lot of practice missing it.

  100. on 22 Nov 2012 at 7:47 pm 100.Suh said …

    “The godless left has an agenda, and the truth is never an obstacle.”

    Their agenda is blindly following their party. They pretend to care about minorities, woman and the poor but we see from their actions they only care about liberal minorities, woman and poor. If they cared, they would tell them the truth but they would rather lies them. The godless lefts plays Santa to get votes and like immature little children many follow.

    Never put your faith in men, but in God and thank him for the many blessings he has provided.

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