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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 30 Sep 2012 12:47 am

Mark Twain essay on the insanity of religion

A great essay

Bible Teaching and Religious Practice

It makes a great point

During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after doing its duty in but a lazy and indolent way for eight hundred years, gathered up its halters, thumbscrews, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood.

Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry. Who discovered that there was no such thing as a witch – the priest, the parson? No, these never discover anything. At Salem, the parson clung pathetically to his witch text after the laity had abandoned it in remorse and tears for the crimes and cruelties it has persuaded them to do. The parson wanted more blood, more shame, more brutalities; it was the unconsecrated laity that stayed his hand. In Scotland the parson killed the witch after the magistrate had pronounced her innocent; and when the merciful legislature proposed to sweep the hideous laws against witches from the statute book, it was the parson who came imploring, with tears and imprecations, that they be suffered to stand.

There are no witches. The witch text remains; only the practice has changed. Hell fire is gone, but the text remains. Infant damnation is gone, but the text remains. More than two hundred death penalties are gone from the law books, but the texts that authorized them remain.

Why would any intelligent person join an organization that is this appalling?

64 Responses to “Mark Twain essay on the insanity of religion”

  1. on 30 Sep 2012 at 5:20 pm 1.JA Lindsay said …

    A point raised in my book, referencing Twain’s excellent pen in the process.

    We see the same problem throughout the world now. Society is moving on from discrimination against homosexuals, but bible-beaters trot out Romans 1 and, more often, Leviticus 18 to try to keep up their hate, often from the pulpit. Slavery was abandoned in the West over the screams of believers pointing to the dozen or so times it appears sanctioned, even celebrated (in Titus) in the bible and by Augustine (in City of God). No reasonable person thinks of blowing up and embassy over a perceived insult to an imaginary God, screaming about shutting down free speech, and yet people in the West defend the psychopaths that would trample free speech in the name of preventing blasphemy, a made-up crime with no discernible victims. Why? It’s all in the texts. Even as the religions change, the scriptures stay consecrated and do not change. The engine of extremism at the center of these faiths is not redesigned or put aside as ancient and barbaric literature. It is, instead, elevated and kept at the center, called holy and defended from all criticism.

  2. on 30 Sep 2012 at 10:53 pm 2.The messenger said …

    I don’t think that Mark ever wrote that.

    Which of his books did he write this in?

    Show some proof.

  3. on 30 Sep 2012 at 11:26 pm 3.The messenger said …

    How can someone possibly discover if something doesn’t exist.

    You can only discover the existence of something.

  4. on 01 Oct 2012 at 2:26 pm 4.BrianE said …

    You’ve got the wrong link in your post.

  5. on 01 Oct 2012 at 2:31 pm 5.BrianE said …

    I think this links to the correct article: Bible Teaching and Religious Practice

  6. on 01 Oct 2012 at 7:04 pm 6.A said …

    “Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been.”

    http://www.witches.net/

    How would Mark Twain of responded to the atrocities of Atheism under the USSR and China if about 20 witches put to death upset him so? Surely he would have denounced the practice.

    Mark should have learned the difference between ceremonial, judicial and moral laws. He could have grasped the concepts of what he did not understand.

  7. on 01 Oct 2012 at 7:55 pm 7.Lou(DFW) said …

    4.ASS said …

    “How would Mark Twain of [sic] responded to the atrocities of Atheism [sic] under the USSR and China if about 20 witches put to death upset him so?”

    Assuming it’s true that atheists murdered as you allege, then:

    1. How does that justify burning innocent women, who we know weren’t witches, in the name of theism and xtianity?

    2. How does that provide evidence that your imaginary god exists?

    The answer to both cases is that it obviously doesn’t, so what’s your point (other than that spot on the top of your head)?

    The answer to those questions is that you don’t a legitimate point, and that your comment is nothing but an irrelevant diversion from the fact that you NEVER, EVER provide evidence for your imaginary god.

    P.S. Thousands more than twenty witches were burned alive.

  8. on 01 Oct 2012 at 7:58 pm 8.Lou(DFW) said …

    4.ASS said …

    “Mark should have learned the difference between ceremonial, judicial and moral laws.”

    And you should have learned the difference between delusion and reality, and between intelligence and stupidity, but you never did.

  9. on 01 Oct 2012 at 9:01 pm 9.DPK said …

    AssMan said:
    “How would Mark Twain of responded to the atrocities of Atheism under the USSR and China if about 20 witches put to death upset him so?”

    Once again, and surprisingly for an Astrophysicist of your stature, you are letting your total ignorance show. There are no “tenants of atheism”. No where does it say, “Gods do not exist, therefore, do this:___” As such there is no such thing as a “atrocities of atheism” anymore than there are “atrocities of non-stamp collectors” or “war crimes of people who don’t watch baseball.”

    Such can not be said of religions however. There are plenty of “religious atrocities”… crimes committed BECAUSE of the tenants of a religion. Atheism has no such dogma and does not instruct people on how to behave. It is nothing more than the rejection of belief in gods.

    Seriously “A” every time you open your mouth you make yourself look more and more desperate for validation.

  10. on 01 Oct 2012 at 11:58 pm 10.alex said …

    …there is no such thing as a “atrocities of atheism”..

    this is a theist mind block.

    wait a minute, what about the atheist terrorist, yelling “die in the name of atheism”. or the nonbeliever, holding up a sign “dawkins 1:22 the atheist had smitten the jew”. or the atheist biking around, passing out the atheist handouts. or the group of atheists seeking to erect a thunderf00t statue. or the atheists seeking to ban heterosexual marriages. or the atheists ceremoniously burning korans and bibles.

  11. on 02 Oct 2012 at 12:10 am 11.Lou(DFW) said …

    7.DPK said …

    “Seriously “A” every time you open your mouth you make yourself look more and more desperate for validation.”

    ASS is the poster boy for the lying theist. Lies – that’s all he has. And he can’t even lie about his religion anymore because atheists know that his religion is a lie itself, so he must lie about atheists.

  12. on 02 Oct 2012 at 1:10 am 12.CastBound said …

    A,

    Consider the small number of Atheists in the world. Then reflect on the Salem Witch Killings which took about 20-25 lives. Lastly, consider Atheists are accountable for 250 million killings in the 20th century alone. I would like to see the ration of murders to adherents. The Atheist adherents prevail going away.

    Check out “The Loser Letters”. It is a very funny read on Atheism.

  13. on 02 Oct 2012 at 1:35 am 13.alex said …

    “Lastly, consider Atheists are accountable for 250 million killings in the 20th century alone.”

    just like your god, plain bullshit. you might as well say 250 billion, you lyin sack of shit. die all ye 250 billion, all in the name of atheism!

    what bullshit. please take my virgin daughters instead of raping the angels, har! har!

    your scary hell tactics don’t work and you resort to obvious bullshit lies. converted anyone lately?

  14. on 02 Oct 2012 at 1:41 am 14.Anonymous said …

    Now, let’s see the magic trick known as the disappearing theist,

    CastBound/A/Hor, let’s assume for the sake of argument that everything you claimed about atheists and killing was true. Let’s proceed along that line.

    Now, how does that prove the existence of your imaginary god? How does that demonstrate that you are not suffering from a delusion? How does that prove that you are not a mentally ill individual so afraid of reality that you cling to the security blanket of a magic man in the sky?

    Explain.

  15. on 02 Oct 2012 at 2:22 am 15.Lou(DFW) said …

    10.CastBound said …

    I knew it – here come the sock-puppets to defend ASS’ lies.

    “Consider the small number of Atheists in the world. Then reflect on the Salem Witch Killings which took about 20-25 lives. Lastly, consider Atheists are accountable for 250 million killings in the 20th century alone.”

    Theists are responsible for ALL the other killings.

    “I would like to see the ration [sic] of murders to adherents. The Atheist adherents prevail going away.”

    Nobody cares what you “would like to see.” We only want to see your evidence for your imaginary god – don’t have any, do you? Regardless, all one must to is examine the ratio of atheists to theists in prison for murder – idiot.

    “Check out “The Loser Letters”. It is a very funny read on Atheism.”

    Check out the theists’ comments on this blog alone – it’s a sad comment on the dishonesty and stupidity of theists.

  16. on 02 Oct 2012 at 2:25 am 16.The messenger said …

    God is real.

  17. on 02 Oct 2012 at 2:50 am 17.The messenger said …

    18.Lou(DFW) not all theists are dishonest. All humans lie, not just religious people.

  18. on 02 Oct 2012 at 2:53 am 18.The messenger said …

    1.JA Lindsay not all religious people are like that.

  19. on 02 Oct 2012 at 2:58 am 19.The messenger said …

    The Catholic Church is no longer like that. The bible meant metaphorical witches, as in things that tempt people into doing bad things, it didn’t mean people. The Christians of that time period misunderstood many things that the bible stated, but now they do understand and they realize what the Bible really means.
    God is real.’’’.

  20. on 02 Oct 2012 at 2:59 am 20.The messenger said …

    Leviticus 18 never states any hate toward homosexual people. It only
    states that having sex with someone of the same gender is wrong.

    It is not a sin to be attracted to someone of the same gender.
    It is only a sin to have sex with someone of the same gender.:

  21. on 02 Oct 2012 at 7:03 am 21.Severin said …

    12 Castbound
    “Lastly, consider Atheists are accountable for 250 million killings in the 20th century alone.”

    How many people did atheist kill in 17th century alone?

    How many slaves did atheists take from Africa during many centuries?
    How many slaves did atheists hold in all those long centuries?
    How many witches and heretics did atheists torture, kill and burn during many centuries?
    How many children did atheists abuse using their position?
    How many Indians did atheists exterminate from both America?
    How many colonies did atheists occupy and hold for centuries, sucking their wealth, while governing them by brutal force and considering their population “lower races”?
    How many bombs have atheists dropped on North Vietnam, and how many people killed they there?
    How many people have atheists killed in crusade wars?
    How many people have atheists converted to atheism using brutal force, in all those long centuries? centuries?

    Oops!

  22. on 02 Oct 2012 at 7:37 am 22.Severin said …

    Castbound.

    Why are you exaggerate your numbers?

    There is no doubt that brutal regimes killed, hold in prisons and camps, tortured, … a huge number of human beings.
    No one denies that.
    But 250 millions?

    Do you think that you are somehow stressing the truth by exaggerating it? The truth will be “more” the truth if you add few hundred million of victims?

    However: brutal regimes killed millions, or tens of millions, or whatever (but not 250 millions).

    NOW you only have to prove how were they killed by atheists.

  23. on 02 Oct 2012 at 11:35 am 23.Counting said …

    http://scholarscorner.com/content/atheisms-body-count-ideology-and-human-suffering

    atheism’s Body Count

    It is obvious that Atheism cannot be true; for if it were, it would produce a more humane world, since it values only this life and is not swayed by the foolish beliefs of primitive superstitions and religions. However, the opposite proves to be true. Rather than providing the utopia of idealism, it has produced a body count second to none. With recent documents uncovered for the Maoist and Stalinist regimes, it now seems the high end of estimates of 250 million dead (between 1900-1987) are closer to the mark. The Stalinist Purges produced 61 million dead and Mao’s Cultural Revolution produced 70 million casualties. These murders are all upon their own people! This number does not include the countless dead in their wars of outward aggression waged in the name of the purity of atheism’s world view. China invades its peaceful, but religious neighbor, Tibet; supports N. Korea in its war against its southern neighbor and in its merciless oppression of its own people; and Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge kill up to 6 million with Chinese support. All of these actions done “in the name of the people” to create a better world.

    Atheism’s Tendency Towards Totalitarianism Rather Than Freedom

    What is so strange and odd that in spite of their outward rejection of religion and all its superstitions, they feel compelled to set up cults of personality and worship of the State and its leaders that is so totalitarian that the leaders are not satisfied with mere outward obedience; rather they insist on total mind control and control of thoughts, ideas and beliefs. They institute Gulags and “re-education” centers to indoctrinate anyone who even would dare question any action or declaration of the “Dear Leader.” Even the Spanish Inquisition cannot compare to the ruthlessness and methodical efficiency of these programs conducted on so massive a scale. While proclaiming freedom to the masses, they institute the most methodical efforts to completely eliminate freedom from the people, and they do so all “on behalf” of the proletariat. A completely ordered and totally unfree totalitarian State is routinely set up in place of religion, because it is obviously so profoundly better society. It is also strange that Stalin was a seminarian who rejected Christianity and went on to set up himself as an object of worship. It seems that impulse to religious devotion is present in all, whether that be in traditional forms or secular inventions.

  24. on 02 Oct 2012 at 11:42 am 24.Anonymous said …

    Once again, even if the drivel about body counts was true… how does that prove there is any god, let alone the ridiculous god of the bible.

    Still, even the god of the bible seems almost sensible compared to the three-in-one I’m-my-own-father nonsense that Christians believe in.

    Why are you believers so afraid to answer that question? It’s because you don’t have any proof. And the reason you don’t have proof is that gods, all gods, are man made.

  25. on 02 Oct 2012 at 11:59 am 25.Lou(DFW) said …

    17.The misguided said …

    “not all theists are dishonest.All humans lie, not just religious people.”

    Yes, all theists are specifically dishonest because they never demonstrate that their respective religion and imaginary god is real. All theists lie about that. You do it here every single time you comment here. You are a dishonest, lying person.

    Even IF one specific religion and one specific god was real, that still means that ALL THE OTHER THEISTS who believe in and promote the false gods and false religions are dishonest liars. But it would not be dishonest not to believe it when there’s no evidence of it.

    Now I am finished with you, and I suggest that from now on the others ignore you for the troll that you are as we do the lying nutcase s0l0m0n.

  26. on 02 Oct 2012 at 12:02 pm 26.Lou(DFW) said …

    24.Counting said …

    “It is obvious that Atheism cannot be true; for if it were, it would produce a more humane world”

    Yes, if atheism was accepted by all the people rather than theism and religion, then this would be “a more humane world.”

    Thanks, Counting!

  27. on 02 Oct 2012 at 4:27 pm 27.Lou(DFW) said …

    22.Severin said …

    “Castbound.

    Why are you exaggerate your numbers?”

    Because theism is a lie, and therefore it can only be promoted by lying.

  28. on 02 Oct 2012 at 4:49 pm 28.The messenger said …

    The Catholic Church is no longer like that. The bible meant metaphorical witches, as in things that tempt people into doing bad things, it didn’t mean people. The Christians of that time period misunderstood many things that the bible stated, but now they do understand and they realize what the Bible really means.
    God is real.’’’.’

  29. on 02 Oct 2012 at 5:53 pm 29.The messenger said …

    Leviticus 18 never states any hate toward homosexual people. It only
    states that having sex with someone of the same gender is wrong.

    It is not a sin to be attracted to someone of the same gender.
    It is only a sin to have sex with someone of the same gender.:

  30. on 02 Oct 2012 at 7:05 pm 30.Severin said …

    24 Counting
    “The Stalinist Purges produced 61 million dead and Mao’s Cultural Revolution produced 70 million casualties. … and Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge kill up to 6 million with Chinese support.”

    Are you tending to earn the title of a liar?

    How do 61+70+6 make anything close to 250?

    And, of course, you ONLY SAY that poor people were killed in name of atheism.
    Such “great” claims are necessary to support by some evidences, especially in case when no one ever heard such a thing from any reliable sources.
    Tell us, please, how do you KNOW that all those people were killed in name of atheism, or, at least, that they were killed only because they were believers.

    People who just claim and claim something, without supporting their claims, we also call liars.
    I think you would call them liars too.

  31. on 02 Oct 2012 at 8:37 pm 31.JALindsay said …

    29.The MESSenger said…
    “Leviticus 18 never states any hate toward homosexual people. It only states that having sx with someone of the same gender is wrong.”

    Have a look at Leviticus:
    22 “‘Do not have sxual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. … 29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—-such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”

    Now, “detestable” means “able to be detested” means “able to be disliked intensely” means “able to be hated,” so it pretty explicitly says that people who engage in male-on-male sx acts are to be hated as they are “able to be hated.” It also says they must be cut off from their people, which is pretty extreme since being exiled from a tribe in the desert some 3000 years ago was a pretty serious (possible death) sentence.

    Certainly, though, a modern reading of this would indicate that fewer civil rights is a “moderate” reading of this text. Of course, it says in the part covered by ellipsis that the land will vomit out these detestable people for their sins, and since we all know the land won’t do it, we can expect that it is a command for people to act as emissaries of the land, particularly since in verse 28 it says that if they don’t squash these people, the land will be defiled and will vomit everyone out.

    And, let’s look at this nonsense:
    “It is not a sin to be attracted to someone of the same gender. It is only a sin to have sx with someone of the same gender.”

    Um, right. So “God” makes it so people are designed to be attracted to a certain gender and then makes it a damnable and detestable sin for them to act upon their innate attraction. People who believe this nonsense are as sick as they are deluded. MESSenger, you speak in nonsense.

  32. on 02 Oct 2012 at 8:55 pm 32.Anonymous said …

    Yes, but, but, but… like so many Christians, Messenger has his own interpretation of everything and anything that doesn’t suit whatever point he happens to be engaged in, at that moment in time.

  33. on 02 Oct 2012 at 9:07 pm 33.Severin said …

    24 Counting

    I took some time to find some data about killings in USSR during Stalin.
    A text that seems very honest and relevant to me, and which I warmly recommend you to read, written by Timothy Snyder

    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.TAB1.2.GIF

    says that some 6 ml people were directly KILLED (mostly during Stalin’s regime, and some 3 ml during Lenin’s regime.

    It is tragic, but VERY, VERY far from 250 million.

    No one doubts that much more people DIED there. (again: very far of 250 million)
    No one doubts that the regime directly or indirectly influenced those deaths, yet the regime did not shoot them.
    People died from hunger, they died in gulag camps, … , yes, no doubt.
    No doubt Soviet regime WAS a criminal regime, but it was a COMMUNIST regime, that killed for, and in name of COMMUNISM, not for, and in name of atheism.

    From example of Hitler we can clearly see that massive crimes can appear in totally Christian country, where atheist were nor in power, neither there were any significant number of atheists in German population.

    P.S. T. Snyder gives acceptable reasons for enormously exaggerated numbers of victims of communist regimes. Read it!

    And, of course, if you have different opinion, like that 250 million victims died because of atheism or atheists, please provide relevant support to your claims.

  34. on 02 Oct 2012 at 9:24 pm 34.Severin said …

    Cauting

    Enormous exaggerating of number of victims of communist regime were corrected after Russian archives become available to western investigators.

    I do not doubt they were pretty accurate; most totalitarian regimes precisely administrated their victims.

  35. on 02 Oct 2012 at 9:26 pm 35.Severin said …

    Sorry, I gave a wrong link.

    For text about soviet killings, from T. Snyder, please see

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/?pagination=false

  36. on 02 Oct 2012 at 10:03 pm 36.The messenger said …

    Sex has only one true purpose, and that is reproduction.

    Christians only have one interpretation of the bible.

  37. on 03 Oct 2012 at 2:43 am 37.Anonymous said …

    Severin, it’s clear that you appreciate the value of research and integrity of information. Contrast that with the posts absent-integrity from theists.

    With alarming regularity “no true Christian” is trotted out as a circular get-out-of-jail-free card yet, on the other hand, anything done by anyone who isn’t a theist is dishonestly and deliberately misrepresented and conflated with atheism.

    However, as has been asked time and time again, no-one actually explains how any of these attempts to poison the well provides any evidential support for the existence of any god at all.

    Thus we see that the theist’s best argument isn’t an argument at all. It’s an attempt to change the subject so as to make false and irrelevant accusations.

  38. on 03 Oct 2012 at 12:22 pm 38.freddies_dead said …

    6. A said …

    Mark should have learned the difference between ceremonial, judicial and moral laws. He could have grasped the concepts of what he did not understand.

    Pure Ray Comfortism. Do you have anything to back up the assertion that there is an actual distinction that can be made between certain laws? Or that these supposed absolute laws of morality actually apply to different people at different times instead of applying to everyone at all times like you’d expect an absolute law would? Ray has been asked on many occasions to provide the biblical basis for this claim but has so far refused to do so. Can you do any better? Maybe you could start by presenting the evidence that proves your god actually exists and go from there?

    17.The messenger said …

    18.Lou(DFW) not all theists are dishonest. All humans lie, not just religious people.

    This is deliciously contradictory. If ‘[a]ll humans lie’ as Messenger contends then ‘all theists are dishonest’ by definition – unless, of course, messenger feels that theists aren’t actually human?

    He also chimes in at 19 with his claim of witches as ‘metaphor’. This is great! A Christian who can show us which bits of the Bible we should take literally and which we should realise are definitely metaphors. I wonder if he’d care to give us his Biblical justification for such distinctions? I suspect that, much like A before him, such justification will either not be provided or will prove to be nothing more than his own subjective interpretation of the texts. Once again, starting with a proof of his god’s existence would be a good start.

    24.Counting said …

    It is obvious that Atheism cannot be true

    I love this one. I hope Counting realises that if atheism isn’t true, as he asserts without basis, then it is obvious that whichever god exists is responsible for the death of every single living thing ever to have lived. That 250 million body count he so gleefully throws in atheism’s direction can no longer be placed at our door, instead we can place those bodies at the feet of his god along with the billions of others it is responsible for. Of course if Counting could provide evidence for the existence of his god we could set this matter to rest quite easily.

    A lot of sound and fury from the theists on this thread but why are they trying to blame anything on the atheists when they’re so damned certain that their god exists? If they are right – something we are yet to find out because of their abject refusal to provide evidence of their god’s existence – then said deity would be responsible for everything and I really don’t understand someone who would be happy to worship the monster responsible for the suffering and death of every living creature. If they had any integrity they’d be hoping that what they believe isn’t true.

  39. on 03 Oct 2012 at 3:10 pm 39.The messenger said …

    39.freddies_dead God is not the one responceable for all the suffering and pain in the world. Mankind brought that upon themselves.

  40. on 03 Oct 2012 at 4:26 pm 40.Lou(DFW) said …

    37.freddies_dead said …

    6. A said …

    “Ray has been asked on many occasions to provide the biblical basis for this claim but has so far refused to do so.”

    Ray? Please elaborate.

  41. on 03 Oct 2012 at 5:28 pm 41.DPK said …

    I believe he’s talking about Ray Comfort… the charlatan otherwise known as “The Banana Man”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

  42. on 03 Oct 2012 at 7:26 pm 42.The messenger said …

    The Catholic Church is no longer like that. The bible meant metaphorical witches, as in things that tempt people into doing bad things, it didn’t mean people. The Christians of that time period misunderstood many things that the bible stated, but now they do understand and they realize what the Bible really means.
    God is real.’’’.

  43. on 03 Oct 2012 at 9:34 pm 43.Lou(DFW) said …

    39.DPK said …

    “I believe he’s talking about Ray Comfort… the charlatan otherwise known as “The Banana Man”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

    Ha-Ha-Ha! Funny stuff. What an idiot!

  44. on 03 Oct 2012 at 9:51 pm 44.Lou(DFW) said …

    37.freddies_dead said …

    “Pure Ray Comfortism.”

    And like Ray, ASS and his ilk are simply too damn dumb to realize how dumb they are, and how stupid their comments and ideas are.

  45. on 04 Oct 2012 at 3:08 am 45.Anonymous said …

    Having had their deliberate falsehoods called out for all to see, it seems that A, CastBound, Counting, and The Messenger have responded in true Xtian fashion – they’ve bravely run away.

  46. on 04 Oct 2012 at 11:13 am 46.freddies_dead said …

    38.Lou(DFW) said …

    Ray? Please elaborate.

    As DPK has already mentioned, Ray Comfort is yet another dishonest theist.

    He’s hugely fond of claiming that the ‘Law’ can be split into ‘ceremonial’, ‘judicial’ and ‘moral’ and that these absolute laws only actually apply to certain people at certain times. He usually does this so he can excuse some other theist of doing soemthing entirely dishonest. Whenever he’s asked to demonstrate (with Biblical references) which laws fall into which category he does the same as the theists here – he runs away.

  47. on 04 Oct 2012 at 11:26 am 47.The messenger said …

    48.freddies_dead just because some theists are dishonest doesn’t mean all of them are all the time. All people have lied at least once in thier life, not just theists but atheists too.

  48. on 04 Oct 2012 at 11:24 pm 48.A said …

    Frederick,

    Nobody worth their salt will waste valuable time explaining Biblical theology to a dishonest and intellectually challenged atheist. There is no point. I mean, you can’t even discern God exists…lol!

    Anyhow, Frederick you know what you could do? You could endeavor to do some scholarly research on your own to discover why these laws are broken out as they are in Biblical theology. If you ask properly, I will recommend an excellent read on Systematic Theology which demonstrates through Scripture how the laws align. You will not because you do not want to discover your own unawareness.

    Stay dead Frederick and go back to the unemployment line.

    Frederick, sure you are not Looney Louie’s brother?

  49. on 04 Oct 2012 at 11:35 pm 49.Lou(DFW) said …

    44.ASS said …

    “Nobody worth their salt will waste valuable time explaining Biblical theology…”

    LOL! But how much time have you spent here NOT explaining it? In just a few short minutes you could provide evidence for your imaginary god, but you NEVER, EVER do.

    “…to a dishonest and intellectually challenged atheist.”

    Poor ASS – there he goes again parroting words that atheists use here to describe him.

    “Anyhow, Frederick you know what you could do?”

    Do you know what you could do? Provide evidence for your imaginary god, but you NEVER, EVER do.

    “If you ask properly, I will recommend an excellent read on Systematic Theology which demonstrates through Scripture how the laws align. You will not because you do not want to discover your own unawareness.”

    And you’re using your uncanny ability to lie when you know that you won’t do any such thing.

    “Stay dead Frederick and go back to the unemployment line.”

    ASS, your asinine (no pun intended), irrelevant comments speak volumes about you. When we challenge you to provide evidence for your imaginary god, you only provide evidence for your stupidity and dishonesty.

  50. on 04 Oct 2012 at 11:58 pm 50.DPK said …

    Systematic Theology? Until you provide some actual evidence that any of the claims you make about the existence of supernatural gods are actually true, you might as well recommend an “excellent read” on alchemy, or the physiology of leprechauns.
    Putting an academic facade on what is nothing more than superstitious woo-woo is little more than slapping lipstick on a pig.
    Time to put up or shut up, Mr. Astrophysicist.

  51. on 05 Oct 2012 at 12:46 am 51.The messenger said …

    48.freddies_dead I solute you. You are a true man of faith. I apologize for my past comments against you, I missunderstood what you ment and I am truly sorry.

  52. on 05 Oct 2012 at 3:06 am 52.Lou(DFW) said …

    46.DPK said …

    “Putting an academic facade on what is nothing more than superstitious woo-woo is little more than slapping lipstick on a pig.”

    Systematic Theology? Intelligent Design? Creation Science? What’s up with these theists who try to disguise their superstitions with scientific sounding labels?

    “Time to put up or shut up, Mr. Astrophysicist.”

    That time came and went. He’ll never be more than the blog jester that he is.

  53. on 05 Oct 2012 at 12:14 pm 53.A said …

    It is so ironic how one always follows the other. lol! Excellent! You now grasp why the more intelligent scholarly bloggers will not squander their time attempting to elucidate the various laws of the OT. It’s like explaining physical constants to a 5 yr old. You must progress beyond your child-like wonder and behavior before moving on to more complex matters.

    So, the question remains, why ask Frederick?

    But yet again an immense thanks to L&D. You fellas always make me smile. Watch your altitude boys.

  54. on 05 Oct 2012 at 12:21 pm 54.Screwtape said …

    Thomas,

    I am an admin at the wwgha forum. There are some things I think are in our mutual best interest. I have no way to contact you except by leaving a comment. Please swing by the forum and we can talk.

    Best Regards
    Screwtape

  55. on 05 Oct 2012 at 1:55 pm 55.Lou(DFW) said …

    53.ASS said …

    “It is so ironic…”

    Poor ASS, confused again.

    http://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-irony-with-examples/

    “…how one always follows the other.”

    Except that’s not true. As usual, ASS must lie in a vain attempt to make an irrelevant point. ASS, even when you lie about the “real” posters, we still remember how you were caught sock-puppeteering – “so precious”.

    And notice how he avoids explaining what he claims to know – “Oh, look at me, I’m too smart to explain anything to you dummies.”

    How many months (years?) has ASS been on this blog without ever answering any direct questions or providing evidence for his imaginary god?

  56. on 05 Oct 2012 at 2:22 pm 56.The messenger said …

    on 05 Oct 2012 at 12:46 am 51.The messenger said …
    48.freddies_dead I solute you. You are a true man of faith. I apologize for my past comments against you, I missunderstood what you ment and I am truly sorry.

  57. on 05 Oct 2012 at 5:38 pm 57.DPK said …

    Lou, be kind… they don’t teach language arts at Astrophysics School. The Astrophysicist spends way to much time being smug about his knowledge of Creation Science and Systematic Theology to concern himself with such unimportant matters as the definition of irony.
    Really though, what do you expect from someone who actually thinks there is an invisible man in the sky who watches you all the time and listens to your thoughts… and oh yeah, he loves you so much that he will send you to burn in eternal torment forever and ever and ever if you don’t believe in him.
    Yeah, that shows his clearly advanced intellect.

  58. on 05 Oct 2012 at 6:10 pm 58.Lou(DFW) said …

    54.Screwtape said …

    “I have no way to contact you except by leaving a comment. Please swing by the forum and we can talk.”

    questions@whydoesntgodhealamputees.com

  59. on 05 Oct 2012 at 6:14 pm 59.Lou(DFW) said …

    53.ASS said …

    “You fellas always make me smile.”

    No, that’s the dump you took in your pants.

    “Watch your altitude boys.”

    What are “your altitude boys,” and why would you want us to watch them?

  60. on 09 Oct 2012 at 9:21 am 60.freddies_dead said …

    48.A said …

    Frederick,

    Nobody worth their salt will waste valuable time explaining Biblical theology to a dishonest and intellectually challenged atheist. There is no point. I mean, you can’t even discern God exists…lol!

    You won’t dicuss the Bible because you know it will most likely contradict what you claim. Then you’ll get all butt-hurt and start blustering on about “context” and other shite that is code for nothing more than your subjective interpretation of the texts that you desperately wish to be true.

    Anyhow, Frederick you know what you could do? You could endeavor to do some scholarly research on your own to discover why these laws are broken out as they are in Biblical theology. If you ask properly, I will recommend an excellent read on Systematic Theology which demonstrates through Scripture how the laws align. You will not because you do not want to discover your own unawareness.

    I’ve already read quite a lot of handwaving crap about how supposed absolute laws aren’t actually absolute. It just makes the Bible even more of a joke. If you have the chapter and verse which properly describes the differences and which people are covered by which laws then present it. I suspect you can’t do that any more than you can present evidence for your imaginary God.

    Stay dead Frederick and go back to the unemployment line.

    Why would I do that? I already have a job and have no wish to change it currently.

    Frederick, sure you are not Looney Louie’s brother?

    As sure as I am that you won’t present any evidence for your imaginary God.

  61. on 09 Oct 2012 at 9:36 am 61.freddies_dead said …

    53.A said …

    You now grasp why the more intelligent scholarly bloggers will not squander their time attempting to elucidate the various laws of the OT.

    You’re going to have to point out which of the theists are “the more intelligent scholarly bloggers” as all I have seen is a bunch of dishonest religious morons who refuse to actually justify the claims they make. And yes, I know why you won’t do it – it’s because you can’t.

    So, the question remains, why ask Frederick?

    Because dishonest theists insist on making the distinction in order to continue doing things that their Bible says are wrong.

  62. on 01 Nov 2012 at 8:50 am 62.tony said …

    Messenger said : ‘Sex has only one true purpose, and that is reproduction’. Your poor wife. Wonder where she gets the real thing.

  63. on 01 Nov 2012 at 7:31 pm 63.The messenger said …

    62.tony the pleasure of sex is limited. The please that comes from helping others and serving God and his people gives me a greater pleasure.

  64. on 01 Nov 2012 at 7:32 pm 64.The messenger said …

    Comment 56 was sarcasm.

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