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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 28 Aug 2012 12:23 am

The insanity of religion – Hurricane Theology

This article from CNN introduces the idea of “Hurricane Theology” at this week’s Republican convention. The idea is that something devastating like a hurricane is a punishment sent by God into the lives of those in the path of the storm. CNN cites this incident involving Pat Roberson as an example of Hurricane Theology:

Pat Robertson, the evangelical Christian who once suggested God was punishing Americans with Hurricane Katrina, says a “pact to the devil” brought on the devastating earthquake in Haiti.

So imagine that there is a large, well-publicized Gay Pride parade and some natural disaster occurs nearby. It might be a tornado, hurricane, earthquake, etc. Theists go nuts declaring that God sent the disaster as his retribution against gay activities.

If a Christian church gets blown down in a windstorm and the church has done anything seen as controversial, then that is God’s retribution as well.

If there is nothing obvious, then theists will often go out of their way to find something that God needs to destroy.

Imagine living your life in constant fear like this. At any moment, an angry, vengeful God can smite anyplace he chooses with a huge natural disaster.

Who would want to worship such a being? Who would want to have anything to do with such a being? Why pray to a monster who kills people and destroys property so wantonly and so capriciously?

107 Responses to “The insanity of religion – Hurricane Theology”

  1. on 28 Aug 2012 at 1:34 am 1.gfunk said …

    “Imagine living your life in constant fear like this. At any moment, an angry, vengeful God can smite anyplace he chooses with a huge natural disaster.”

    Not only that, a God who is a piss-poor shot and frequently hurts as many good people as bad.

    How about a metaphor- you go to your kid’s school and throw a firebomb into a classroom with a couple really bad bullies. You might hurt or kill the bullies and I guess all the collateral damage is supposed to remind everyone else of what you can do? Even if that’s the case, why wouldn’t God just hit the bullies alone instead of using such a broad weapon (e.g. a hurricane)? Wouldn’t that be an even better show of power and love for the others in the classroom?

  2. on 28 Aug 2012 at 2:16 am 2.Dez said …

    Hurricanes form because we live on a planet with weather patterns. Could it be judgment by God? I don’t know and no man knows.

    gfunk, however, makes an assumption typical by the atheist community. He thinks each man has a right to the life God has given. Man has a right to nothing since God supplies all. God never told a man life was his to keep for eternity. Also, to further the point, no man is guiltless, all men are sinful at heat.

    God doesn’t judge man based on the atheist moral yardstick whatever that might be at the moment. That could change daily from atheist to atheist. God says all men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. That is a constant and will not change day to day.

  3. on 28 Aug 2012 at 3:09 am 3.Lou(DFW) said …

    2.Diz said …

    “Hurricanes form because we live on a planet with weather patterns. Could it be judgment by God? I don’t know and no man knows.”

    And then you continue to lecture about your imaginary god’s judgement as if you do know, while including a few irrelevant tangents about an alleged “atheist moral yardstick.”

    “God says all men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

    Really? God said that? To whom?

  4. on 28 Aug 2012 at 3:14 am 4.Lou(DFW) said …

    2.Diz said …

    “Hurricanes form because we live on a planet with weather patterns. Could it be judgment by God? I don’t know and no man knows.”

    One thing we do know is that there isn’t any evidence for your imaginary god, so there’s no reason whatsoever to conclude that he judges, punishes, or rewards people.

    All natural events used to be explained as acts of gods. Of course nobody, not even xtians, really believes that thunder and lightning are caused by gods – unless of course one strikes and kills homosexual.

  5. on 28 Aug 2012 at 4:33 am 5.Anonymous said …

    “Hurricanes form because we live on a planet with weather patterns”. Here you actually said something sensible. Congratulations.

    Then you followed it up with: “Could it be judgment by God? I don’t know and no man knows” and off you go to the back of the class. Again.

    Well, Dizzy, you clearly speak for yourself in terms of your ignorance but it so happens we can predict weather patterns with a lot more accuracy than theists can predict the outcome of prayer, for example. Leaving aside the obvious observation of “nothing happens”, of course.

    What does this mean Dizzy? That you are talking crap through your socks as usual? Or is that educated people are mightier than your so-called god because they know that weather patterns can predict storms rather than explaining them, as you do due, through the bronze-age mentality of fear of tribal gods?

  6. on 28 Aug 2012 at 5:51 am 6.Severin said …

    2 Dez
    “Could it be judgment by God? I don’t know and no man knows.”

    2. Dez
    “God doesn’t judge man based on the atheist moral ,,,”

    So, you DO NOT know (and no man knows) what god DOES, but you DO know what he DOES NOT.

    HOW do you know that, Dez?

  7. on 29 Aug 2012 at 1:44 am 7.Tom said …

    “Imagine living your life in constant fear like this. At any moment, an angry, vengeful God can smite anyplace he chooses with a huge natural disaster.”

    OK so from the atheist perspective they do not fear hurricanes tsunamis and tornadoes because they don’t believe God sends them? Are they the ones who refuse to evacuate when given a warning?

    The argument from Thomas is senseless and irrelevant since the hurricane came no where near Tampa as they predicted.

    Bush hates blacks so maybe he caused the hurricane to hit chocolate city.

    Enjoying Artur Davis.

  8. on 29 Aug 2012 at 2:23 am 8.Lou(DFW) said …

    7.Tom said …

    Tom, I suggest that you learn about non sequiturs.

    “The argument from Thomas is senseless and irrelevant since the hurricane came no where near Tampa as they predicted.”

    Who are “they,” and how was the predicted landfall, one of several, relevant to what Thomas wrote?

    Tom, what part of

    “Pat Robertson, the evangelical Christian who once suggested God was punishing Americans with Hurricane Katrina, says a “pact to the devil” brought on the devastating earthquake in Haiti.”

    did you not understand?

  9. on 29 Aug 2012 at 2:25 am 9.Anonymous said …

    Tom, why are you Xtians so afraid to directly address the argument?

    Who would want to worship such a being? Who would want to have anything to do with such a being? Why pray to a monster who kills people and destroys property so wantonly and so capriciously?

    Why will no Xtian answer the question above?

  10. on 29 Aug 2012 at 5:55 am 10.Severin said …

    7 Tom
    “OK so from the atheist perspective they do not fear hurricanes tsunamis and tornadoes because they don’t believe God sends them?”

    Who said we don’t fear natural forces?
    I have fear from natural forces ALTHOUGH I don’t believe god sends them.

    If evidenced existed there was a god willing to kill thousands of innocent people and children in his anger, because a few (or even majority) of other people “insulted” him, I would believe he existed, but I would hate him deeply, of course.

    I would be unable to love such a monster.

    If evidenced existed there was a god, I would prefer a REALLY loving god, not a beast who strikes blindly.

  11. on 29 Aug 2012 at 9:57 pm 11.Anonymous said …

    Richard dawkins comments

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  12. on 29 Aug 2012 at 11:31 pm 12.alex said …

    of course prayer did move the hurricane. protestant prayers that is. you know those no good catholics are aplenty in narleans. too bad, they didn’t pray for the hurricane to go towards austin texas where me and a bunch of atheists live. we could use the rain. or is the drought, god’s punishment for the nonbelievers? never mind that many more theists live here.

  13. on 30 Aug 2012 at 7:37 pm 13.Xenon said …

    “The argument from Thomas is senseless and irrelevant since the hurricane came no where near Tampa as they predicted.”

    Tom all their arguments are. It think it is the reason they are all liberals. The DNC convention begins next week and it, like the atheist arguments, will be irrelevant, full of lies, half-truths and nonsense.

  14. on 30 Aug 2012 at 9:39 pm 14.Lou(DFW) said …

    13.Xenonsense said …

    “Tom all their arguments are. It think it is the reason they are all liberals. The DNC convention begins next week and it, like the atheist arguments, will be irrelevant, full of lies, half-truths and nonsense.”

    And your comment, much like all the theists replies on this blog, is what makes one think that all theists are idiots, but we know that only most of them, like you, are.

  15. on 30 Aug 2012 at 9:53 pm 15.Lou(DFW) said …

    13.Xenon-sequitur said …

    “The argument from Thomas is senseless and irrelevant since the hurricane came no where near Tampa as they predicted.”

    “Tom all their arguments are.”

    Leave it to Non to agree with a comment whose comment contains a premise that has absolutely nothing to do with a hurricane prediction, and then attribute that non sequitur to the DNC convention – another non sequitur!

    Non, just when I thought I would never read anything more ridiculously stupid, you stepped-up to the plate and hit a grand-slam.

  16. on 30 Aug 2012 at 10:55 pm 16.Asher said …

    Lou (bfw)

    How in the world do you find time to post here so much? Are you paid to be here?

  17. on 30 Aug 2012 at 11:03 pm 17.Lou(DFW) said …

    16.Asher said …

    “Lou (bfw)

    “How in the world do you find time to post here so much?”

    I have EXACTLY the same amount of time that you have.

    “Are you paid to be here?”

    Are you paid to be stupid? Why is it that you have so much time to ask questions, but you never answer any?

  18. on 31 Aug 2012 at 7:13 pm 18.Asher said …

    “I have EXACTLY the same amount of time that you have.”

    True, you just use much more of it tracking comments on this blog.

  19. on 31 Aug 2012 at 7:35 pm 19.Lou(DFW) said …

    18.Asher said …

    “I have EXACTLY the same amount of time that you have.”

    “True, you just use much more of it tracking comments on this blog.”

    First of all, I don’t “track them,” I simply read them.

    Second, so what? It’s not as if there’s much to “track” when you dishonest, cowardly theists refuse to provide any evidence for your imaginary god nor answer any challenges to your delusion.

    Dishonesty, cowardliness, delusion – you don’t have anything at all going for you, do you, “Asher?”

  20. on 13 Sep 2012 at 2:49 pm 20.Cindy said …

    Stereotypes don’t do anyone any good- religious, ethnic, gender… Not all “Christians” believe and act as you all describe.

  21. on 13 Sep 2012 at 2:56 pm 21.Lou(DFW) said …

    20.Cindy said …

    “Stereotypes don’t do anyone any good- religious, ethnic, gender… Not all “Christians” believe and act as you all describe.”

    To which comment do you refer?

  22. on 05 Oct 2012 at 1:00 am 22.The messenger said …

    Jesus is peace loving. He is not vengeful, he only punishes people that deserve it, he is a peaceful and fair God.

    He only allows suffering to happen because he wants us to learn from our mistakes and the mistakes of others so we might become better and stinger people.

  23. on 05 Oct 2012 at 12:08 pm 23.Anonymous said …

    Messenger, you are a brainwashed fucking idiot.

  24. on 05 Oct 2012 at 2:17 pm 24.The messenger said …

    on 05 Oct 2012 at 1:00 am 22.The messenger said …
    Jesus is peace loving. He is not vengeful, he only punishes people that deserve it, he is a peaceful and fair God.
    He only allows suffering to happen because he wants us to learn from our mistakes and the mistakes of others so we might become better and stronger people.

  25. on 05 Oct 2012 at 2:17 pm 25.The messenger said …

    23.Anonymous I have shown you no hate, and I havenot insulted you in any way yet you insult me for no apparent reason. I only offer kindness and peace, you on the other hand offer only hate, and pointless insults. I pitty you because it is not me who is brain washed, it is intact you.

    I pitty you.

  26. on 05 Oct 2012 at 11:48 pm 26.The messenger said …

    23.Anonymous I have shown you no hate, and I havenot insulted you in any way yet you insult me for no apparent reason. I only offer kindness and peace, you on the other hand offer only hate, and pointless insults. I pitty you because it is not me who is brain washed, it is intact you.

  27. on 06 Oct 2012 at 2:35 am 27.Anonymous said …

    Anonymous I have shown you no hate

    Projection, pure and simple. No-one has shown you hate. You are speaking of the world as you see it. You’re the hater.

    and I havenot insulted you in any way yet you insult me for no apparent reason.

    More lies. You keep offering to “pray” for people. That is extremely insulting to the people who don’t believe in your fantasy. You know it too, so stop lying and pretending people are treating you in way other than you deserve.

    I only offer kindness and peace

    More lies. You have not offered kindness, nor have you offered peace. Stop lying and stop pretending that simply using words in a sentence means you are being honest. More lies, more dishonesty. You are dishonest to the core.

    you on the other hand offer only hate, and pointless insults.

    More lies. You can’t stop lying can you? Yes, you have been insulted but the hate is your projection. Why have you been insulted? Because it’s the only way to get through to you. Talking to you is like talking to a child yet you want to be treated as an adult.

    I pitty you because it is not me who is brain washed, it is intact you.

    The truth hurts you, doesn’t it? You are brainwashed and your only response is projection. You haven’t offered your evidence for your imaginary god nor do you have a leg to stand on when you claim other people are brainwashed.

    Once again, Messenger you are a dishonest, delusional, liar.

  28. on 06 Oct 2012 at 7:05 pm 28.The messenger said …

    27.AnonymousI have shown you no hate what so ever. I am not a hater I have only been expressing my side of this argument, there is no hate in that.

    I only offered to pray for the people on this site once, and it was not out of dIsrespect or offense in any way. I prayed for you all to live happy peaceful lives and to have a wonderful life, I meant no offense when I said that prayer. If it came across as an insult I apologize, I ment no disrespect or offense.

  29. on 06 Oct 2012 at 8:24 pm 29.Anonymous said …

    Messenger, I didn’t say you showed hate. What I did remark upon is that many of your posts accuse other people of “hating”.

    The only person who keeps bring up hate is *you*.

    You are the one with hatred in their mind. I’m sorry that you don’t understand this but it’s simple. When you accuse others of hating, when they’ve done nothing to deserve it, it’s because *you* view the world in that manner. These accusations of hatred are *you* projecting your view of the world onto others.

    We don’t hate you, yet you claim that we do. Face it, yours is the mind with hatred in it – not ours.

  30. on 07 Oct 2012 at 12:15 am 30.The messenger said …

    29.Anonymous I am not the one here who brings hate. I have only shown kindness. It is you who brings the hate, you bring it with your pointless insults.

  31. on 07 Oct 2012 at 12:33 am 31.alex said …

    “I am not the one here who brings hate..”

    so, please, allow me to offer my prayer to Odin, so that he may visit yo ass and hit you upside the head with his viking sword, so that you may finally realize who is the true God!

    try a muslim mosque and proclaim that you will pray to yer jesus, on their behalf.

    you still don’t get why people don’t like to see that tebow shit or pointing righteously to the sky giving thanks to the almighty?

  32. on 07 Oct 2012 at 12:51 am 32.The messenger said …

    If you don’t hate me then why did you post the following comment?

    on 05 Oct 2012 at 12:08 pm 23.Anonymous said …
    Messenger, you are a brainwashed fucking idiot.

    If you are not the one with hate, then please explain why you posted that comment?

  33. on 07 Oct 2012 at 12:53 am 33.The messenger said …

    31.alex for the last time, Odin is NOT GOD he is a stupid myth.

  34. on 07 Oct 2012 at 12:57 am 34.The messenger said …

    29.Anonymous I only accuse people of hate when they insult me and others.

  35. on 07 Oct 2012 at 2:02 am 35.Anonymous said …

    Once again it’s messenger who accuses people of hatred. It’s getting tiresome seeing you try to avoid facing up to your contradictions with your constant attempts at playing the victim.

    Messenger, you’ve disgraced yourself. It’s also pointless even trying to converse with you. When you are cornered you pretend that you were misunderstood or you simply tell another ridiculous lie.

    Your need for the emotional crutch of religion is clear. It’s also clear that continuing this conversation with you is likely to lead you to some desperate act. I don’t want to be responsible for you acting-out and firebombing some clinic or jumping off a bridge which is where I fear your anger will lead you.

  36. on 07 Oct 2012 at 4:10 pm 36.The messenger said …

    35.Anonymous in comment 34 I was not acussing anyone of hating. I was only explaining why I accuse people of hate.

    Think before you post.

  37. on 07 Oct 2012 at 4:12 pm 37.The messenger said …

    35.Anonymous I am not playing the victim.

  38. on 07 Oct 2012 at 4:14 pm 38.The messenger said …

    35.Anonymous you have FAILED to answer my question in comment 32.

  39. on 08 Oct 2012 at 1:40 am 39.The messenger said …

    25.Anonymous I am still waiting for a response.

  40. on 08 Oct 2012 at 1:40 am 40.The messenger said …

    on 07 Oct 2012 at 4:14 pm 38.The messenger said …
    35.Anonymous you have FAILED to answer my question in comment 32. ‘

  41. on 08 Oct 2012 at 12:38 pm 41.Severin said …

    Messenger,

    No one ever said we hate idiots.
    I surely don’t.

    We are sorry for them.

  42. on 08 Oct 2012 at 12:40 pm 42.Severin said …

    33 Messenger
    “31.alex for the last time, Odin is NOT GOD he is a stupid myth.”

    What is it that makes your religion a “clever myth”?

  43. on 08 Oct 2012 at 12:55 pm 43.Severin said …

    39 Messenger
    “25.Anonymous I am still waiting for a response.”

    I am too.
    You never told me how was it possible that you justify horrible (sick) “punishments” your god determined for people who ceased worshiping him.
    How is it possible that you take it as normal?

    Aren’t you worshiping a sick lunatic AND making one from yourself by justifying his brutal, sick, lunatic deeds?
    Which normal human being would explain god’s sick brutality bu just saying something like “he had to punish them”?
    Is THAT what you call “god of love and tolerance”?
    Are YOU as “tolerant” as your god?

  44. on 08 Oct 2012 at 12:57 pm 44.Severin said …

    Couldn’t god punish them with diarrhea, if he was SO childishly offended (“boo-hoo, they don’t love me any more”).

  45. on 08 Oct 2012 at 4:12 pm 45.The messenger said …

    43.Severin God only allows bad things to happen so we may learn from them and become better people.

    That is the answer you seek.

  46. on 08 Oct 2012 at 5:13 pm 46.The messenger said …

    35.Anonymous I am still waiting for that answer.

  47. on 09 Oct 2012 at 12:52 am 47.Anonymous said …

    Messenger, when you go back and respond to the posts directed at you on this and other threads, then you might be in a position to request that people answer your queries.

    As it is, your demands are just more evidence of your hypocritical and inconsistent nature.

    Unfortunately, I think your religious indoctrination is so deeply rooted that you project the roles and emotions that you’ve been misled that others hold, onto people without realizing that you are the one in that role and with that emotion.

    If you’d like a further hint as to where your obsession with hate comes from, please review some of your recent posts:

    “Anonymous I only accuse people of hate when they insult me and others.”

    “Anonymous in comment 34 I was not acussing anyone of hating. I was only explaining why I accuse people of hate.”

    Now, I’m done with responding to your unwarranted accusations. If you want to run around saying “those mean atheists hate me, wah, wah, wah” go ahead. It’s not true, but I do wonder if you want it to be true?

  48. on 09 Oct 2012 at 1:19 am 48.Lou(DFW) said …

    47.Anonymous said …

    “If you want to run around saying “those mean atheists hate me, wah, wah, wah” go ahead. It’s not true, but I do wonder if you want it to be true?”

    Of course he does. It’s part of the tired and trite “persecuted xtian” schtick.

  49. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:53 am 49.The messenger said …

    47.Anonymous tell me, which questions have I failed to answer?

  50. on 09 Oct 2012 at 3:56 am 50.The messenger said …

    47.Anonymous I believe that I have responded to all of your posts.

    If I have not, please tell me which of your posts I have yet to respond to.

  51. on 09 Oct 2012 at 4:45 am 51.Anonymous said …

    I said I wasn’t going to, but perhaps this quote will help messenger see how his religion has poisoned his thoughts:

    Some one with true strength will not hate the people who make fun of him. Instead he would forgive them and pity them.

    You write this as if it’s some kind of amazing feat not to have an extreme reaction when someone makes fun of you. Further, it’s almost as if you are making some kind of self-congratulatory comment regarding an achievement.

    I hate to break this to you but someone has to.

    Anyone with a modicum of self-respect shouldn’t go off the handle when they are made fun of. Yet, *you* seem to think that the “normal” response to that situation would be to respond with hatred. This is probably one reason why you keep accusing people of hating you when they simply think you are being stupid. Again, this is you projecting *your* feelings onto others.

    Now the next question is where on earth do you get the perception that there are so many “haters” around. Well, that one is easy. It’s a common cult tactic to tell the in-group that they are being persecuted and that the out-group hates them. Christianity, like most religions, is a cult.

  52. on 09 Oct 2012 at 6:39 am 52.Severin said …

    45 Messenger
    “God only allows bad things to happen so we may learn from them and become better people.”

    I was not talking “bad things” god allows to happen.
    I was mentioning “bad things” (very bad things!) that god did himself.

    No, I did not get your answer:
    Why was your god (HE, HIMSELF) so maniacally cruel when he saw people don’t worship him any more, and ONLY because they ceased to worship him, he ordered terrible massacres of men, women, children and pregnant women.

    If you can’t answer in name of your god (which you frequently do), answer in your own name:
    HOW is it possible that YOU accept and justify such lunacies, by “explaining” me that god, well, had to “punish” people who ceased worshiping him?
    Imagine a father or a mother killing their children because they (children) stopped loving their parents.
    THAT is exact picture of your god.

    And you, obviously, AGREE with it.

  53. on 09 Oct 2012 at 11:56 pm 53.The messenger said …

    52.Severin God only punishes people who truly deserve it. All of the other suffering in the world is just a test to see if you can overcome the suffering and still help
    others despite you own pain.

  54. on 10 Oct 2012 at 12:09 am 54.The messenger said …

    You shouldn’t hate people who treat you badly. Nothing I wrote ever indicated any hate. Never respond with hate. Forgive people who make fun of you, if you hate the people who make fun of you or teat you badly then you will have stupid to their level. Never respond with hate. Only respond with kindness, forgiveness and pity.

    I never said anything about responding to a situation in a hateful way. I am telling people to respond with kindness and forgiveness instead of hate. I only accuse people of hate when they make fun of me and I point it out to them so they will realize what they are doing is wrong and they should stop.

  55. on 10 Oct 2012 at 12:30 am 55.The messenger said …

    52.Severin people bring all of those very bad things upon themselves. God only tests people when they need it, and only punishes people who deserve it.

    He does not get angry easily, I takes him a while to get angry, he is very forgiving.

  56. on 10 Oct 2012 at 12:40 am 56.The messenger said …

    51.Anonymous hateful people are everywhere. My job is to point out when they say or do hateful things and teach them that the hate that they possess is wrong and they should stop.

  57. on 10 Oct 2012 at 1:39 am 57.Lou(DFW) said …

    53.The misguided said …

    “Severin God only punishes people who truly deserve it.”

    55.The misguided said …

    “Severin people bring all of those very bad things upon themselves.”

    56.The misguided said …

    “Anonymous hateful people are everywhere.”

    Oh boy, another Hor grammar school graduate.

  58. on 10 Oct 2012 at 1:40 am 58.alex said …

    messenger, you’re a fucking idiot. all these posts are just inciteful. show some love and give all your money to the poor, you fucken moron.

    “…Hear is your evidence. FOUR long year of failure and debt increase.”

    obama is your god? he’s your evidence? are you hor’s nephew?

  59. on 10 Oct 2012 at 1:50 am 59.Anonymous said …

    “51.Anonymous hateful people are everywhere. My job is to point out when they say or do hateful things and teach them that the hate that they possess is wrong and they should stop.”

    Once again, mess, it is *you* that is calling people hateful. It is *you* that is accusing people of hating. It is *you* that sees hate. *You* are the problem that you claim to be fighting.

    At this point you are simply refusing to accept that no-one hates you yet you continue to play the victim. You are a lost cause and if you truly feel hated then you should get some psychological counseling.

    Now, lets get back on track. Where is this proof of a god that you claim to have provided?

  60. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:07 am 60.The messenger said …

    58.alex you fool, the 4 long years of failure thing was written for a different post. Not this one. Obama is not God. The Obama 4 years of failure thing is my proof that democratic ideas are not working to fix the economy.

    Next time you comment on something, please make sure you comment for the right post.

  61. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:11 am 61.The messenger said …

    59.Anonymous I see the hate, and I try to help the people who have hate to overcome it and learn to love instead of hate. God wants people to stop hating each other and find peace.

  62. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:21 am 62.The messenger said …

    59.Anonymous hear is the proof that God does exist.

    23 Minutes in Hell

    jesus-is-savior.com
    23 Minutes in Hell is a 2006 Christian book written by Bill Wiese and published by Charisma House. The book is claimed to be non-fiction and recounts the author’s alleged 23-minute-long experience in hell in 1998. Wikipedia
    Published: 2006
    Author: Bill Wiese

    Heaven Is for Real

    books.google.com
    Heaven is for Real: A Little Boy’s Astounding Story of His Trip to Heaven and Back is a 2010 New York Times best-selling Christian book written by Todd Burpo and Lynn Vincent. It was published by Thomas Nelson Publishers. Wikipedia
    Published: November 2, 2010
    Authors: Lynn Vincent, Todd Burpo

    Miracle of the Sun

    Location of Fátima, Portugal
    The Miracle of the Sun (Portuguese: O Milagre do Sol) was an event on 13 October 1917 in which 30,000 to 100,000 people, who were gathered near Fátima, Portugal, claimed to have witnessed extraordinary solar activity.

    According to these reports, the event lasted approximately ten minutes.[1] The three children also reported seeing a panorama of visions, including those of Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of Saint Joseph blessing the people.[2]

    The event was officially accepted as a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church on 13 October 1930. On 13 October 1951, the papal legate, Cardinal Tedeschini, told the million people gathered at Fátima that on 30 October, 31 October, 1 November, and 8 November 1950, Pope Pius XII himself witnessed the miracle of the sun from the Vatican gardens.[3]

  63. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:23 am 63.Lou said …

    My job is to point out stupidity and arrogance. Anonymous’ post is full of stupidity and arrogance. Anonymous, go get an education, stop reading atheist blogs and books and get a real open minded education. You are full of hate, ignorance and hate.

    You entire view of the world is whack. Seek professional counseling.

  64. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:24 am 64.The messenger said …

    I speak of peace and love for all of Jesus’s people and I want people to love one another,, instead of hating each other.

  65. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:29 am 65.The messenger said …

    65.Lou thank you for helping anonymous see that the hate that he holds in his heart is wrong and that he should replace it with kindness and compassion for others.

    Just out of curiosity do you believe in God?

  66. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:46 am 66.Lou(DFW) said …

    60.Lou said …

    “My job…”

    Who hired you for anything?

    “…is to point out stupidity and arrogance.”

    And you’re obviously very well qualified to do so because you’re obviously very familiar with it because you have a lifetime of experience being stupid and arrogant.

    “You are full of hate, ignorance and hate.”

    What is the difference between “hate” and “ignorance and hate?”

    “You[r] entire view of the world is whack.”

    Whack? Maybe you mean whacked [out].

    “Seek professional counseling.”

    In your case, even amateur counseling would be helpful.

  67. on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:00 am 67.Severin said …

    53 Messenger
    “Severin God only punishes people who truly deserve it.”

    I really have nothing more to say to someone who is persistently parroting the idea that killing children and ripping pregnant women was noting more than (ONLY!!!) “deserved punishment”.

    You told it many times and I understood what you said. I hoped you will see what were you saying, but you are blind.
    The difference between me and you is that I DO NOT AGREE with such sort of “punishment”. I DO NOT JUSTIFY it.
    For me, there is no one, and there was no one on earth, EVER, who “deserves” to be punished from ANYONE, including god, by (ONLY) killing innocent children and ripping pregnant women.

    I wonder how you can’t see it, and I am deeply sorry for you.

  68. on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:38 am 68.Severin said …

    Messenger
    “.Anonymous hateful people are everywhere. My job is to point out when they say or do hateful things and teach them that the hate that they possess is wrong and they should stop.”

    Who delegated YOU for this “job”?
    What is your criterion to distinguish haters from non-haters?

    I do not hate anyone and I never did in my life.
    If someone did, how can you “teach” him/her not to be a hater, by showing him/her examples of enormous, sick hate, that I can not even imagine, and I only can express my sorrow by crying, when I see such examples?
    Because, only a VERY sick hater is able to “only punish” people by “only” killing their babies and ripping their pregnant women, and only a VERY sick individual is able to agree and justify such deeds.

    Man, don’t you see what are you doing?
    Please stop “teaching” people around you, and go to heal yourself.
    You NEED help!

  69. on 10 Oct 2012 at 8:38 am 69.The messenger said …

    The horrible punishments in the bible are just metiforical. But the horrible things that happen in life are just tests from God.

  70. on 10 Oct 2012 at 8:55 am 70.The messenger said …

    71.Severin God was the one who commanded me to do this job.

  71. on 10 Oct 2012 at 8:59 am 71.The messenger said …

    71.Severin if you read my pervious comments, it clearly states that the ripping pregnant woman thing is just a metiphor for something really bad happening.

  72. on 10 Oct 2012 at 12:10 pm 72.Lou(DFW) said …

    HEY! Severin God – I was commanded to tell you to stop feeding the troll.

  73. on 10 Oct 2012 at 12:43 pm 73.Anonymous said …

    72 and the sock puppets

  74. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:26 pm 74.DPK said …

    69.The messenger said …

    The horrible punishments in the bible are just metiforical. But the horrible things that happen in life are just tests from God.

    Messenger… how do you know the punishments in the bible are “metiforical” [sic]? Does it say that in the bible, or did you just decide that for yourself? And since you seem to have a direct line to god… tell us what god is testing these kids for?

    http://www.religiousfreedomcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/starving-children.jpg

    Lastly, since god supposedly knows everything, why does he need to “test” people? Especially since he already knows what they will do?

  75. on 10 Oct 2012 at 2:51 pm 75.Lou(DFW) said …

    73.Anonymous said …

    “72 and the sock puppets”

    The difference is that the sock-puppets know when to run and hide.

  76. on 10 Oct 2012 at 4:07 pm 76.Lou(DFW) said …

    74.DPK said …

    “Lastly, since god supposedly knows everything, why does he need to “test” people? Especially since he already knows what they will do?”

    He’s obviously testing us through The Misguided…

  77. on 10 Oct 2012 at 4:54 pm 77.Anonymous said …

    62 and I will ask the same questions as before. Let’s see if you answer them?

    Is this what made you believe? If not, then those are simply rationalizations. Tell us what made you believe.

    Is this your strongest proof? If these fall, your entire case collapses. Would you agree? If not, give us your indisputable evidence.

    Why are these real and other extraordinary claims false? Do you believe people who say they they have been taken in flying saucers? If not, why not?

    Define hate. Not in a circular fashion. Tell us what it means. Explain the difference between dislike, ridicule, and hate. Tell us what actions someone who hates you would take as opposed to someone who simply ridicules you? As a god’s spokesman on this subject, this should be an easy and comprehensive exercise for you.

  78. on 10 Oct 2012 at 6:11 pm 78.Lou said …

    Messenger,

    I believe in God more than I believe what my 5 senses tell me. Our senses can be fooled. Belief is irrelevant since God’s reality does not hinge on man’s belief

  79. on 10 Oct 2012 at 7:03 pm 79.Lou(DFW) said …

    78.Louser said …

    “I believe in God…”

    Then he wrote:

    “Belief is irrelevant…”

    “…since God’s reality does not hinge on man’s belief”

    You are “real,” aren’t you? You and your belief in god is also irrelevant to the reality that god doesn’t exist. You’re simply ranting in circles.

  80. on 10 Oct 2012 at 9:28 pm 80.alex said …

    “I believe in God more than I believe what my 5 senses tell me.”

    Isaiah 41:10. I guess you’re a fearless motherfucker.

  81. on 11 Oct 2012 at 12:23 am 81.The messenger said …

    74.DPK God tests them by putting struggles in there path so they may become stronger people.

  82. on 11 Oct 2012 at 12:24 am 82.The messenger said …

    78.Lou I am glad to hear that you believe in God.

  83. on 11 Oct 2012 at 12:28 am 83.The messenger said …

    74.DPK the reason that he tests people even though he knows what they will do is because the only way people will learn to be strong and be good people is to face these struggles sonthey will learn from them.

  84. on 11 Oct 2012 at 12:57 am 84.The messenger said …

    These are not the only reasons that I believe in God. I have many reasons why I believe in God. The greatest reason would have to be my Grandpa. My Grandpa had so many things go wrong in his life, for example, his wife died of brain cancer, one of his daughters abandoned him, his father died right in front of him. Even through all that pain and suffering he still believes in God, he still shows kindness to everyone and loves everyone. He the biggest reason that I believe in God. Pluss I had a vision of God which was not a dream, and in that vision God spoke to me and said that alot of people in the world have forgotten how to forgive one another and they are Aldo loosing faith in him as well. God told me to teach people forgiveness and love, and help people require their faith in him.

  85. on 11 Oct 2012 at 1:00 am 85.The messenger said …

    77.Anonymous those claims in comment 62 are not false.

  86. on 11 Oct 2012 at 1:03 am 86.The messenger said …

    77.Anonymous I think that it is possible that God created more than one species. No just humans.

  87. on 11 Oct 2012 at 2:33 pm 87.DPK said …

    83.The messenger said …

    74.DPK the reason that he tests people even though he knows what they will do is because the only way people will learn to be strong and be good people is to face these struggles sonthey will learn from them.

    Why do you only answer portions of the questions to which someone has spoon fed you a answer?

    Answer the question: tell us what god is testing these kids for?

    http://www.religiousfreedomcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/starving-children.jpg

    Then tell us:
    …how do you know the punishments in the bible are “metiforical” [sic]? Does it say that in the bible, or did you just decide that for yourself? And since you seem to have a direct line to god…
    Did god tell you this i your “vision”?

  88. on 11 Oct 2012 at 9:22 pm 88.The messenger said …

    87.DPK he is testing those kids for the same reason he tests everyone else. He wants them to overcome the struggles in their lives so we will be stronger, better people.

    He knows that it is a hard tests, but they can get through it.

  89. on 11 Oct 2012 at 9:24 pm 89.The messenger said …

    87.DPK God tells me these things every day. He told me to tell(command) everyone about it and spread the word of God.

  90. on 11 Oct 2012 at 9:37 pm 90.The messenger said …

    77.Anonymous hate is a extreme dislike of someone or something for any reason.
    Ridicule is an action brought upon by hate. Someone who hates me will insult me either with words or physical action. A person who hates me may try to hurt me, either with physical actions such as punching me, or he might try to hurt me with words just like Anonymous attempted to do in comment 23, but failed to effect me in any way.

  91. on 11 Oct 2012 at 9:40 pm 91.Lou(DFW) said …

    88.The messenger said …

    “87.DPK he is testing those kids for the same reason he tests everyone else. He wants them to overcome the struggles in their lives so we will be stronger, better people.”

    DPK, for Christ’s sake, don’t you get it?!

    The 225,000 men, women and children who were drowned by god in the 2006 12/24 tsunami are now stronger, better, people because they fought and struggled not be drowned!

  92. on 11 Oct 2012 at 9:53 pm 92.DPK said …

    No… they are now dead… they failed the test and got what they deserved for being not strong enough. Just like the thousands of kids who will die miserable, suffering death from starvation today… it’s their fault if they can’t endure the test the all merciful and loving god has sent to them…

    Messenger… next time you speak to your god tell him I think he’s an insane, murderous, cock sucking bastard… and if he wants to do something about it, he knows where to find me…

    The really, really sad part is I think messenger actually believes the bullshit he writes…

  93. on 11 Oct 2012 at 10:02 pm 93.The messenger said …

    91.Lou(DFW) the one and only reason that they died was because it was their time to go.

  94. on 11 Oct 2012 at 11:10 pm 94.The messenger said …

    92.DPK they did not fail the test, God thought they had been tested enouph and brought them up to heaven, so they can live in paridice forever. Just because those people died does not mean they failed God’s test, the only way a person can fail the test is by bieng unkind, intolerant, cruel, murderous, greedy, or jealous.

  95. on 11 Oct 2012 at 11:15 pm 95.The messenger said …

    When I say strong, I mean will power strength, the strength to do what is right even though so many others do mean, unkind things.

  96. on 28 Oct 2012 at 7:14 pm 96.thun_der said …

    Oh wow! You people are making a problem.. why not just ” respect ” each other’s point of view.. we can’t do anything about people’s beliefs.. we’re all different.. it shouldn’t be the cause of fight – Be kind & open-minded. Thanks !

  97. on 28 Oct 2012 at 7:28 pm 97.JALindsay said …

    We respect points of view that are respectable, which contains being reasonable as a prerequisite.

    Theistic points of view are not reasonable and thus not respectable, and they lose even more respectability when they actively become exclusionist and seek to encroach upon the freedoms of others, which includes the freedom from having to live in a society that acts like it isn’t secular at its very foundation.

    Nothing can be done about them? I, for one, am here because something can be done about them. I used to believe this stuff–that is until I looked at it closely enough to realize I couldn’t do so sanely while being intellectually honest.

    Would you say the same thing about racist points of view, though? Do we have to respect them? Nothing can be done about them, after all, right?

  98. on 28 Oct 2012 at 10:20 pm 98.Anonymous said …

    Instead of disingenuously asking for “respect” and “open mindedness” which seems to be theist code for “immune to examination or criticism” and “accept without question” why not, you know, just provide proof that these gods of your exist?

    Any god, just pick one and show it to be real. Then you wouldn’t need to ask for respect, you could just show us the proof. Like, for example, how your god heals amputees.

    The subject of this blog post is Hurricane Theology. How does the concept of the loving god mesh with Hurricane Sandy making its way up the east coast?

  99. on 04 Nov 2012 at 11:21 pm 99.The messenger said …

    1.gfunk God is not angry or vengeful. He is a loving, kind, and merciful Father.

  100. on 08 Nov 2012 at 11:14 pm 100.hiskid2012 said …

    every single one of your arguments have a flaw, you can not take literally every word or phrase in the Bible. some of them are to be interpreted as ideas on how to live and not literal instructions, it’s the concepts, do some more research and come back once you’ve accepted that there’s more evidence for God than against God. if you really believe there is no God than why would you waste your time (our most precious commodity) to disprove something that isn’t there. only a fool would spend time trying to disprove the existence of something that has no ‘apparent’ effect on your life and to convince us believers that there is no God even though there would be no benefit to believing he is non-existent?

    PS. most athiest converts to Christianity admit that the only reason they argued was because they deep down actually wanted to be disproven and believe there is a God

  101. on 08 Nov 2012 at 11:44 pm 101.JALindsay said …

    100. said

    “if you really believe there is no God than why would you waste your time (our most precious commodity) to disprove something that isn’t there.”

    Maybe you haven’t noticed, but a lot of people believe in this thing that isn’t there and then act upon that belief in completely unacceptable ways. That’s why.

    “PS. most athiest converts to Christianity admit that the only reason they argued was because they deep down actually wanted to be disproven and believe there is a God”

    That tells you everything you need to know about their biases to dismiss their “conversions” as being indicative of anything more than them finally succumbing to believing what they want to believe in the first place.

  102. on 09 Nov 2012 at 2:12 am 102.alex said …

    “you can not take literally every word or phrase in the Bible.”

    who the fuck are you? you the grand puppa motherfucking Bible Translator Supremo?

    “some of them are to be interpreted as ideas on how to live and not literal instructions, it’s the concepts”

    well, list them out, you pompous piece of shit.

    “do some more research and come back once you’ve accepted that there’s more evidence for God than against God.”

    you’re an idiot. you’re the one with the bullshit god and you want atheists to do your research? how about, you do your research about Zeus and come back when you’ve accepted, you fucken moron?

    please, don’t even try that tired “back off the ledge” shit. too many romney fuckers already lined up.

  103. on 09 Nov 2012 at 3:10 am 103.The messenger said …

    102.alex I can not begin to stress how much of an idiot you are.

  104. on 09 Nov 2012 at 4:23 am 104.alex said …

    stress away, asshole. what’s your god gonna do?

  105. on 09 Nov 2012 at 5:38 am 105.Anonymous said …

    He is going to demonstrate the love that his god has for you, according to his role as a ‘messenger’. By our dear little troll’s example, that means you will be insulted with atrocious grammar and style.

    Alex, you must feel terrible being called names by someone who doesn’t know the tenets of the religion they pretend to follow. “I pity you”. Wait. No, I don’t.

    I just realized that when he calls you an idiot, it’s probably metiphorical [sic] and, hence, means something totally different than what anyone else understands by the term.

  106. on 09 Nov 2012 at 5:52 am 106.alex said …

    plz, I don’t feel terrible at all. just won’t put up with shit. said before, don’t do that bless me crap. knock on my door with that bible shit, prepared to get cursed.

  107. on 09 Nov 2012 at 6:00 am 107.Anonymous said …

    “only a fool would spend time trying to disprove the existence of something that has no ‘apparent’ effect on your life and to convince us believers that there is no God even though there would be no benefit to believing he is non-existent?”

    No, you have that totally backwards. Another attempt to shift the burden of proof.

    Your choice on fool but it’s you that is wasting your time claiming the existence of something that has no (not apparent, but no) effect on anything. You need to prove this god exists, yet you can’t. Heck, you can’t even give us an distinct argument as to why your god is real and all the others are false. Can you?

    Claiming others should disprove the imaginary is a cop-out and shows an appalling lack of understanding of how the world works.

    You tell us. What is the benefit of believing in the imaginary? Why do you do it when what you are doing is wasting your life in pursuance of a bronze-age goat-herder’s superstition?

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