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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 09 Jul 2012 12:01 am

A commenter named CASTBOUND asks “Why become an atheist?”

In this thread we find a comment from CASTBOUND that he asked this week:

I see no point to the blog or the derision. Why are atheists so interested in converting theists to atheists? All the energy and time put in here must be to convert theists. But why would I want to convert to atheism? My life is very happy, I am well educated and I enjoy God’s creation. If I am wrong how would my belief hurt my future or my prosperity?

Alex seems quite despondent and I certainly want no part of that.

So to sum it up, if atheists just lack belief, why would I want to participate? How would that benefit me?

“Why are atheists so interested in converting theists to atheists?” he asks. By replacing a few words, we can begin to understand the answer. For example:

“Why are non-racists so interested in converting racists to non-racists?”

What’s in it for the non-racist, trying to convert all these racists? CASTBOUND further asks, “if atheists just lack belief, why would I want to participate? How would that benefit me?” It might not directly benefit a racist to convert to a non-racist. But the world becomes a much, much better place if we can eliminate all of the racists by converting them to non-racists. Once racists become non-racists, they understand that better. As racists go through the process of learning about and then eliminating their racism, they see the problems with racism and the advantages of a racism-free world.

The same might be said of sexists: “Why are non-sexists so interested in converting sexists to non-sexists?” The world becomes a much, much better place if we can eliminate all the sexist people by converting them to non-sexists. This post shows how ridiculously sexist Muslims can be. This chapter demonstrates the sexism in Christianity.

The same might be said of homophobes. The world becomes a much, much better place if we can eliminate all the homophobes.

So back to CASTBOUND’s question: “Why are atheists so interested in converting theists to atheists?” It’s because, as a general rule, members of the Christian faith, the Mormon faith and the Muslim faith have a strong tendency to be racist, sexist and homophobic. They are this way because their faith predisposes them to turn off their rational minds and trust what they read in their sacred books. These sacred books openly advocate things like racism, sexism and homophobia, along with many other obviously evil mindsets.

If we can educate Christians, Mormons and Muslims to the point where they abandon their faiths, the rationality they gain in the process of that abandonment is likely to cause them to abandon irrational, unethical, evil mindsets like racism, sexism and homophobia in the process. Our world becomes a much better place.

This is one line of reasoning as to why CASTBOUND and other theists should give up their “faith”. There are many other lines of reasoning as well. Perhaps some of these other lines will be presented in the comments.

If you are a Christian, a Mormon or a Muslim who would like to begin the process of abandoning your delusional faith, this video can help:

116 Responses to “A commenter named CASTBOUND asks “Why become an atheist?””

  1. on 09 Jul 2012 at 1:37 am 1.Anonymous said …

    Excellent post! How will Castbound respond?

  2. on 09 Jul 2012 at 2:21 am 2.Anonymous said …

    By playing the persecution card? He does seem somewhat quick to accuse others rather than to simply state his case.

  3. on 09 Jul 2012 at 2:31 am 3.Lou(DFW) said …

    2.Anonymous said …

    “By playing the persecution card? He does seem somewhat quick to accuse others rather than to simply state his case.”

    He doesn’t have a case, and he knows it.

  4. on 09 Jul 2012 at 3:34 am 4.DPK said …

    Well, as has been pointed out to Castbound in the other thread, the only “reason” to be atheistic is because it is the truth. What other reason would one need? Castbound wants to know what atheism has to “offer him”? The assumption, typical among theists, that they are so special that the universe “owes” them something… usually the love and acceptance of an omnipotent being, an eternal life of bliss after this one is over, and of course, the joy of seeing their enemies and those who do nit share their faith burn in eternal torment. What a narcissistic world view.

  5. on 10 Jul 2012 at 3:50 am 5.Lou said …

    Castbound you are famous! You castbound are now compared to a racist. Another fallacy to be sure but they are very quick to judge. Let us take the thread’s question and expand on it further.

    “Why are theists so interested in converting atheists to theists?” It’s because, as a general rule, members of the atheist sect have a strong tendency to be liars, bigots and intolerant. Notice how they claim tolerance while attempting to eliminate the religious (See Communism).

    But to be completely honest, because they are delusional. Now they attempt to call their delusion truth, again, without proof. Another reason they should be converted.

    How will they respond? It doesn’t matter.

  6. on 10 Jul 2012 at 4:03 am 6.Prime said …

    Sweet. Louser demonstrates clearly for us that he doesn’t understand the difference between an analogy and a direct comparison, which he then names a fallacy, to be sure.

    And yes, see Communism. Read all about how it is an *economic* system. It has nothing to do with atheism or theism. Sure, one could make the case that some totalitarians that tried to force a perverted, corrupted socialism on people while calling it communism espoused also state atheism (because of the concentration of (human) power that is the church, which the totalitarians wanted to protect themselves from), but then one could also very, very easily quote Jesus’ gospels left, right, and center to illustrate how he advocated communism as an *economic* system.

  7. on 10 Jul 2012 at 4:32 am 7.Anonymous said …

    It doesn’t matter to Louser if he understand or not. He’s trolling, and all he wants is to divert the conversion away from how stupid and delusional he must be to believe that sky daddy created this big universe just so that little, iddle, Louser, could worship him, then go to heaven.

  8. on 10 Jul 2012 at 4:33 am 8.Curmudgeon said …

    “that abandonment is likely to cause them to abandon irrational, unethical, evil mindsets like racism, sexism and homophobia in the process. Our world becomes a much better place.”

    Lou made some good points but take a look at more lies.

    Homophobia or the fear of gays. In other words agree with us that homosexuality is OK or we will label you a hater. To complete the analogy, atheist therefore hate theists. They have a phobia.

    Therefore if we can rid the world of atheists, it would be a much better place.

    Look at this term.

    “unethical, evil mindsets”

    What does the atheist base “evil” and “unethical” mindsets upon? Personal opinion? The God Delusion? What?

    They will not answer these questions either. 40YA has destroyed them repeatedly on these.

  9. on 10 Jul 2012 at 4:44 am 9.Anonymous said …

    What does a theist base “evil” and “unethical” mindsets upon, Curmudgeon? The bible, filled with racism, sexism, homophobia, murder, incest, polygamy, etc.?

  10. on 10 Jul 2012 at 5:10 am 10.Hell Yeah said …

    “What does the atheist base “evil” and “unethical” mindsets upon?”

    Good and evil, and ethical and unethical, actually come from our instincts as a living thing to keep our species alive and to not go extinct. Good things help keep us going as a species. Evil things hurt our species to thrive. They are natural things for all living things. Some living things, for example us, are just more complicated and involve more of a variety of stimulants. A god didn’t one day decide it was bored and created evil to make things interesting. It is sad that when people are too lazy to research reality to come up with answers, that they resort to that a god must have done it, because that is what they were told way back when they began the brainwashing process.

  11. on 10 Jul 2012 at 5:14 am 11.Gaydar said …

    Curmudgeon,

    Homosexuality IS ok. If you cant see that you ARE a hater.

    And to think, your christ teaches you to love everyone. Hypocrit much?

  12. on 10 Jul 2012 at 6:19 am 12.Severin said …

    5 Lou
    “Notice how they claim tolerance while attempting to eliminate the religious (See Communism).

    When talking tolerance …(see Bible, see crusade wars, see inquisition, see 9/11, see burning people today in name of some gods, see YOURSELVES).

    There is absolutely no religion tolerating other religions

  13. on 10 Jul 2012 at 10:15 am 13.azriel said …

    I for one haven’t got a problem tolerating the religious. I’m quite happy for them to believe what they want and argue this in any way they wish, freedom of speech and thought are important values in my opinion.

    I do have a problem with the imposition of thier beliefs onto others though, as i would with any other viewpoint imposed.

    Currently there is an amount of this going on (a great deal in some countries) and I’m opposed to this. It is quite possible to be disadvantaged because of religious belief (or lack of it) even in modern progressive societies

    Incidentally i would also be opposed to imposing aetheism, people should be free to make thier own minds up ;

  14. on 10 Jul 2012 at 11:58 am 14.Martin said …

    “Good and evil, and ethical and unethical, actually come from our instincts as a living thing to keep our species alive and to not go extinct.”

    Atheist Morality

    Kill the weak!
    Kill the Old
    Kill the Handicapped!
    Hoard the food!
    Hoard the water
    Steal from the rich!
    Adultery, Pedophilia and cheating are OK. It just makes us stronger.

  15. on 10 Jul 2012 at 12:01 pm 15.Homosapien said …

    To dar:

    Christianity IS ok. If you cant see that you ARE a hater.

  16. on 10 Jul 2012 at 12:07 pm 16.Lou(DFW) said …

    8.Crum said …

    “Lou made some good points but take a look at more lies.”

    Yes, let’s do.

    “Homophobia or the fear of gays. In other words agree with us that homosexuality is OK or we will label you a hater. To complete the analogy, atheist therefore hate theists. They have a phobia.”

    Compare theist actions to Louser/Crum lies:

    http://tinyurl.com/7wlwdgy

    Yes, that’s all Louser/Crum can do to defend his delusion – lie about it and atheists.

  17. on 10 Jul 2012 at 12:19 pm 17.Lou(DFW) said …

    6.Prime said …

    “Sweet. Louser demonstrates clearly for us that he doesn’t understand the difference between an analogy and a direct comparison, which he then names a fallacy, to be sure.”

    Not only that, but he doesn’t the difference between phobia and justified fear.

    Yes, I’m afraid of theists. Who wouldn’t be?

    http://tinyurl.com/bvw88fo

    http://tinyurl.com/74qu6vu

  18. on 10 Jul 2012 at 12:20 pm 18.Lou(DFW) said …

    http://tinyurl.com/77c267o

    http://tinyurl.com/7a44hrs

  19. on 10 Jul 2012 at 12:24 pm 19.Gaydar said …

    Homosapien,

    Homosexuality says:

    “consensual sex with a partner of the same sex is ok”

    Christianity says:

    “racism is ok”
    “sexism is ok”
    “homophobia is ok”
    “murder is ok”
    “slavery is ok”
    Etc.

    Christianity is NOT ok

  20. on 10 Jul 2012 at 12:30 pm 20.DPK said …

    “What does the atheist base “evil” and “unethical” mindsets upon?”

    The same thing theists do… human reasoning and social constructs. If you claim that your basis is some god, that assumes facts not in evidence, as you have not provided any evidence that such a god exists.
    Until you do, your basis can be no different from anyone elses’ because that is al there is.
    If you base your ideas about evil and ethics on the bible or some other text (written by MAN..btw.. just sayin’)… you have a lot of explaining to do as to why you only follow SOME of the instructions in the bible, and ignore others. Do you really want to go down THAT road, AGAIN? Curm, you are so sad and predictable. You get slammed again and again and again and your silly arguments are dismantled again and again and again, yet you keep coming back with the same nonsense over and over. You’re like some crack head who just can’t let go of his addiction. I suppose next you’ll be pointing out spelling mistakes and typos again as evidence of your intellectual superiority.
    Don’t think anyone has forgotten how you ran away from the last claims you made about 40yr and his non-sensical babble. You love to make claims and then disappear when they are shown to be empty and hallow… just like your belief in your imaginary magical friend.

  21. on 10 Jul 2012 at 2:37 pm 21.Lou(DFW) said …

    8.Crum said …

    “Therefore if we can rid the world of atheists, it would be a much better place.”

    So, according to Crum, the guy who doesn’t hate, the world would be a better place without all the people who don’t believe in the same imaginary in which he believes.

    Or, if we can rid the world of xtians and Crum/Louser, then it would be a much better place for Muslims.

  22. on 10 Jul 2012 at 4:56 pm 22.Lou(DFW) said …

    14.Martinsanity said …

    “Atheist Morality

    Kill the weak!
    Kill the Old
    Kill the Handicapped!
    Hoard the food!
    Hoard the water
    Steal from the rich!
    Adultery, Pedophilia and cheating are OK. It just makes us stronger.”

    Martinsanity, show where those are “atheist morals.” Unless you do, then you are just another of many theists here who lie about atheists when you can’t provide any evidence for your imaginary god or otherwise defend your delusion.

  23. on 10 Jul 2012 at 5:45 pm 23.A said …

    Martin

    You forgot Kill the theist. That is one of their highly valued ethical mainstays.

  24. on 10 Jul 2012 at 6:06 pm 24.Lou(DFW) said …

    23.ASStrophysicist said …

    “Martinsanity,

    You forgot Kill the theist. That is one of their highly valued ethical mainstays.”

    Yea, Martin, you dumb-ass! You forgot to add that to your list of lies about atheists. Just as you all conveniently forgot to provide evidence of your imaginary god.

  25. on 10 Jul 2012 at 6:12 pm 25.DPK said …

    14.Martinsanity said …

    “Atheist Morality

    Kill the weak!
    Kill the Old
    Kill the Handicapped!
    Hoard the food!
    Hoard the water
    Steal from the rich!
    Adultery, Pedophilia and cheating are OK. It just makes us stronger.”

    How brainwashed ARE you people??
    Seriously? THIS is what your religion teaches you about anyone who doesn’t share your god of the week?
    You forgot the part about eating babies after show roasting them on the bbq.

    You want a reason why you should become atheistic, readers? Here you have it… because THIS is what religious thinking does to your brain.

    Not even worth of a rebuttal.

  26. on 10 Jul 2012 at 6:14 pm 26.DPK said …

    Excuse me for a while… I have to go impale some kindergartners on spikes and burn down some orphanages.
    Carry on without me… I shall return!

  27. on 10 Jul 2012 at 6:17 pm 27.Lou(DFW) said …

    25.DPK said …

    “THIS is what your religion teaches you about anyone who doesn’t share your god of the week?”

    For them it’s actually god of the WEAK – minded.

  28. on 10 Jul 2012 at 6:21 pm 28.Lou(DFW) said …

    26.DPK said …

    “Excuse me for a while… I have to go impale some kindergartners on spikes and burn down some orphanages.”

    Be sure they’re xtian orphanages! After all, what have any other theists ever done to us in the name of their imaginary god?

    http://tinyurl.com/6w7r4c6

  29. on 10 Jul 2012 at 6:49 pm 29.CASTBOUND said …

    “It’s because, as a general rule, members of the Christian faith, the Mormon faith and the Muslim faith have a strong tendency to be racist, sexist and homophobic.”

    If this is the best atheist can offer then the they are on shaky ground. Not sure how racist and sexists even make the list. Probably just ignorance.

    Don’t know any who are afraid of gays unless they are carrying a weapon so that one falls quickly too.

    We do have faults. But unless the atheist elite can show me they are faultless, then they are back to square 1.

  30. on 10 Jul 2012 at 6:57 pm 30.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.CASTBOUND said …

    “We do have faults. But unless the atheist elite can show me they are faultless, then they are back to square 1.”

    Wrong again. “Square 1″ is your claim that god exists. Instead of providing evidence for your imaginary god (Square 1), you continue to avoid the fact that you don’t have any such evidence.

    Now YOU are back to square one – where is your evidence for your imaginary god?

  31. on 10 Jul 2012 at 8:39 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    29.CASTBOUND said …

    “Not sure how racist and sexists even make the list.”

    Then you’re either a moron or a liar.

    http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.com/2010/02/11/are-devoutly-religious-congregations-more-racist/

    Religious groups distinguish between believers and nonbelievers and moral people and immoral ones. So perhaps it’s no surprise that the strongly religious people in our research, who were mostly white Christians, discriminated against others who were different from them—blacks and minorities.

    She also points out that people who are religious because they value tradition and social convention were especially likely to be racist, noting:

    The effect stays significant even in recent years. For people who are religious for conservative reasons, they have become less racist in recent years as racism has become less socially acceptable. But even they are still significantly racist, just that the effect has reduced in magnitude.

  32. on 10 Jul 2012 at 8:40 pm 32.Ben said …

    Atheism must be a mental handicap of some sort. First of all, God is a default position and has always has been as far as history can tell us. Reasons must be provided to change the default.
    Let me go ahead and anticipate the feeble argument to be brought by the atheists. It is very predictable.
    It is this “The majority have been wrong on X, Y, and Z! Therefore God is also wrong.

    This is an argument that does not follow. True, the majority has been wrong on some issues. However, the majority has been right on much more than they have been wrong on. When the majority has been wrong, someone courageously brought some evidence to show why the majority was wrong.
    Consequently it is the responsibility of the minority to prove the majority incorrect. This is how opinions change, not by being cowards. Atheists are cowards and consequently they will remain a minority since they cannot provide a compelling argument.

  33. on 10 Jul 2012 at 8:44 pm 33.Cleo said …

    Atheists are the most racist and bigoted people group.

    http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2012/01/26/reason-and-racism-in-the-new-atheist-movement/

  34. on 10 Jul 2012 at 8:58 pm 34.Lou(DFW) said …

    32.Has-Ben said …

    “Atheism must be a mental handicap of some sort.”

    Right, just like not believing in Santa Claus is.

    “First of all, God is a default position and has always has been as far as history can tell us.”

    That is a outright lie. First of all, no baby is born with an innate knowledge of god. Second, which “God” is the default position? There have been hundreds, if not thousands of gods. Which one was the “default position?”

    “Let me go ahead and anticipate the feeble argument to be brought by the atheists. It is very predictable.
    It is this “The majority have been wrong on X, Y, and Z! Therefore God is also wrong.”

    Another lie – that has NEVER been the position of atheists. The position of atheists is that there is NO EVIDENCE for god – period. It’s irrelevant what the majority thinks about god’s existence. It’s only relevant what they can show.

    “Atheists are cowards and consequently they will remain a minority since they cannot provide a compelling argument.”

    So therefore god exists, even though the theists NEVER, EVER provide any evidence for their imaginary god.

  35. on 10 Jul 2012 at 9:12 pm 35.Lou(DFW) said …

    33.Cleo said …

    “Atheists are the most racist and bigoted people group.”

    Really?

    First of all, what is a “people group?”

    Second, do you understand the difference between a commentary and a study?

    Last, show us where in the commentary that it states that “Atheists are the most racist and bigoted people[.]” Just admit it – that’s YOUR opinion, not that of the article’s author to which you linked.

  36. on 10 Jul 2012 at 9:16 pm 36.alex said …

    “Atheists are cowards and consequently they will remain a minority since they cannot provide a compelling argument.”

    if this is true, how the fuck does that change your non-evidence for your christ, allah, ra, zeus, and hundreds or thousands of bullshit gods?

    so fucking what, if atheists smell, are bad spellers, negro lovers, or a minority? even if i was the only atheist on the planet, it doesn’t change a damn thing. your god(s) is not.

    “First of all, God is a default position and has always has been as far as history can tell us.”

    that’s why your fuckers are morons. you make up shit. made up shit supports your made up god, with a side helping irrelevant atheist “lookey here”, you think somehow you’ve made your point.

    you’ve got no god. nobody’s afraid. get the fuck out of here.

  37. on 10 Jul 2012 at 9:21 pm 37.Prime said …

    32.Ben said …

    “Atheism must be a mental handicap of some sort. First of all, God is a default position and has always has been as far as history can tell us. Reasons must be provided to change the default.”

    This has to be the stupidest thing I’ve read today.

  38. on 10 Jul 2012 at 9:34 pm 38.Lou(DFW) said …

    37.Prime said …

    “This has to be the stupidest thing I’ve read today.”

    More stupid than this?

    32.Has-Ben said …

    “Consequently it is the responsibility of the minority to prove the majority incorrect. This is how opinions change, not by being cowards.”

    So, according to Has-Ben’s convoluted thinking, the majority is correct until the minority proves otherwise. For example, the earth was at the center of the universe until proven otherwise by the minority?

  39. on 10 Jul 2012 at 9:35 pm 39.Lou(DFW) said …

    32.Ben said …

    “However, the majority has been right on much more than they have been wrong on.”

    Really?

    Show us, because I don’t believe that’s true.

  40. on 10 Jul 2012 at 9:46 pm 40.alex said …

    “However, the majority has been right on much more than they have been wrong on.”

    count all the theists in the world, they outnumber all atheists, therefore the atheists are wrong.

    from all the counted theists, count all the non-xtians. hey, the xtians are a minority, therefore they’re wrong.

    fucking moron.

  41. on 10 Jul 2012 at 10:25 pm 41.DPK said …

    “It is this “The majority have been wrong on X, Y, and Z! Therefore God is also wrong.”

    You’re an imbecile. No one here has EVER said that. That’s just the way you hear it. No one ever claimed that because the majority has been wrong on x,y,and z.. that THEREFORE belief in god is wrong. It has only been said in response to idiotic claims… like yours, that because the majority thinks one way, it must be true, that the majority has been wrong repeatedly throughout history, and therefore the majority belief in something in not an indication of whether it is true or not.
    Are you purposely dishonest and disingenuous, or just really, honestly, that stupid?

  42. on 10 Jul 2012 at 11:43 pm 42.Lou(DFW) said …

    41.DPK said …

    “Are you purposely dishonest and disingenuous, or just really, honestly, that stupid?”

    Both – the former is obvious, but the latter is that he’s stupid enough to think we would believe his lies.

  43. on 11 Jul 2012 at 1:10 am 43.Hell Yeah said …

    “However, the majority has been right on much more than they have been wrong on.”

    The majority of what? Religous people?….and on what topics? Or do you mean all people and all topics in general? If so, we can all agree that the majority of people agree 1 + 1 +2, the sky is blue, grass is green, etc. These are all testable and the majority of people can test them. But when it comes to religous claims, they aren’t testable since there is no real evidence to test upon. What atheists try to point out is that there have been instances that the majority has been wrong, so it can happen again, especially when it comes to a topic where there isn’t strong evidence or none at all. I don’t know why some of you theists think that we believe that the majority is wrong on everything. When it comes to religous beliefs, the majority may believe because of many variable factors, not just a cut and dry is there a god or not. They believe because they are afraid to not believe. Fear is what drives the majority on religious views, not evidence, which is the problem.

  44. on 11 Jul 2012 at 1:14 am 44.Hell Yeah said …

    “God is a default position and has always has been as far as history can tell us. Reasons must be provided to change the default.”

    Which god are you refering to? If you are refering to the Christian god, he has only been in existence for just over 2000 years. Do you even know how many gods were around before then and for longer periods of time? Also, before humans developed a large enough brain to start believing they came from a god, they didn’t know of any gods.

  45. on 11 Jul 2012 at 3:46 am 45.A said …

    Ben

    Good post. Atheist believe we should accept their opinion and analysis on God. Sev has even admitted 200 yes ago atheist were practically non-existent. Not much better today.

    It is true. Opinions changed based on reason. The atheist offer no reason. Therefore they are no more than Moon Landing deniers.

  46. on 11 Jul 2012 at 7:09 am 46.Severin said …

    32 Ben
    “First of all, God is a default position …”

    Of course he is: Ra (which came far before most other gods)!

    Oops! Maybe Baal? Allah? Quetzalcoatl?

    Uffhmmm ….enlighten us!

  47. on 11 Jul 2012 at 7:15 am 47.Severin said …

    32
    ““However, the majority has been right on much more than they have been wrong on.””

    At the moment, majority of people on earth are non-Christians.

    According to your “logic” they are right, and Christians are wrong.

    Or, will you twist your own words once again?

  48. on 11 Jul 2012 at 7:34 am 48.Severin said …

    #45
    “Sev has even admitted 200 yes ago atheist were practically non-existent.”

    I admitted nothing. It is a historical fact which I only used in my post.

    Even some 50 -100 years ago the number of atheists in the world was negligible.

    Now 2 facts appear in human history:

    100% Christians (supported atheist communists to come to power (Russia 1917., Cuba)

    100% Christians VOTED for Hitler, after they have listened his hateful speeches for 12 years.

    What can one conclude but:
    a) Christians are prone to believe shit without critical thinking. They are easily manipulated.
    b) Christianity that gave SUCH (and many other negative) consequences, is very dangerous in both directions: active (kill anyone who oppose us) and passive (preparing people to easily accept any shit offered to them).

    If you think I don’t think same for other religions, please see 9/11. See also China, where religious masses other than Christian, supported COMMUNIST revolution (NO atheists in China at that time).

  49. on 11 Jul 2012 at 8:32 am 49.Severin said …

    #5
    “It’s because, as a general rule, members of the atheist sect have a strong tendency to be liars, bigots and intolerant. Notice how they claim tolerance while attempting to eliminate the religious (See Communism).”

    What is this?
    An avalanche of hate, spiced with lies as “support”?!

    So typical, so expected.
    So sad.
    Do you transfer your hate to your children (if you have any)?

    As I said many times here: I don’t hate you.
    I am sorry for you.

  50. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:33 am 50.Lou(DFW) said …

    45.ASStrophysicist said …

    “Atheist believe we should accept their opinion and analysis on God.”

    What we “believe” is that you should provide evidence for your imaginary god, but you NEVER, EVER do.

    “It is true. Opinions changed based on reason. The atheist offer no reason.”

    First of all, we do. Second, you offer no evidence for your imaginary god.

    “Therefore they are no more than Moon Landing deniers.”

    There are no such things as “Moon Landing deniers.” Those people you describe as such don’t simply deny it, they actually believe that the moon landings were hoaxes perpetrated by the U.S. government as part of a conspiracy. And they, EXACTLY like you, are mostly a bunch of nuts who have absolutely no evidence to support their outlandish, irrational, bizarre claims. Some of them have even been exposed for lying about their belief – again, just like you.

    “These days, the government won’t even bother addressing the subject. “In the year 2009, NASA typically avoids getting into conspiracy theories and hoax ‘debates,’ ” John Yembrick, a NASA spokesman, wrote in an e-mail to NEWSWEEK. That’s part of the reason that amateurs are stepping in and arguing on behalf of astronauts and scientists who are too professional to defend themselves. “NASA doesn’t do this kind of debunking themselves, as well they shouldn’t,” says Philip Plait, an author of the popular blog Bad Astronomy, which deals with the Moon Hoax and similar subjects. “They have better things to do.”

    Much as it for scientists and atheists – we really shouldn’t be wasting our time and effort in theology debates with nuts like Has-Ben, ASStrophysicist, Crum, etc., except that people like them are actually dangerous like the 9/11 hijackers were, except to a much lesser degree.

  51. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:39 am 51.Lou(DFW) said …

    45.ASStrophysicist said …

    “Atheist believe we should accept their opinion and analysis on God. Sev has even admitted 200 yes ago atheist were practically non-existent. Not much better today.”

    32.Has-Ben said …

    “When the majority has been wrong, someone courageously brought some evidence to show why the majority was wrong. Consequently it is the responsibility of the minority to prove the majority incorrect.”

    EXCEPT when they are those who are incorrect! If they were alive hundreds of years ago, these morons would still be arguing that the earth is the center of the universe because it’s in the bible and the majority believed it.

  52. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:41 am 52.Lou(DFW) said …

    44.Hell Yeah said …

    “Also, before humans developed a large enough brain to start believing they came from a god, they didn’t know of any gods.”

    Based upon the comments of Crum, Has-Been, ASStrophysicist, etc., I would have to argue against that theory.

  53. on 11 Jul 2012 at 12:10 pm 53.Xenon said …

    “Oops! Maybe Baal? Allah? Quetzalcoatl?”

    Sev is getting closer. He is realizing God is the default position and now attempting to determine which is correct. That is a positive step.

    I like the analysis that atheists somehow think they get to judge the evidence for God. As if…

    We as theist get to judge their ignorance of the evidence and determine their lack of belief is mere foolishness.

  54. on 11 Jul 2012 at 12:15 pm 54.Lou(DFW) said …

    53.Xenon said …

    “Oops! Maybe Baal? Allah? Quetzalcoatl?”

    “Sev is getting closer. He is realizing God is the default position and now attempting to determine which is correct. That is a positive step.”

    Yes, that IMAGINARY gods are the default position. Or are you claiming that those gods were real?

    “I like the analysis that atheists somehow think they get to judge the evidence for God. As if…”

    That’s not an “analysis.” Yea, and “as if” you ever provide it.

    “We as theist get to judge their ignorance of the evidence and determine their lack of belief is mere foolishness.”

    We are ignorant of the evidence because you NEVER, EVER provide it.

  55. on 11 Jul 2012 at 3:04 pm 55.Severin said …

    #53
    “I like the analysis that atheists somehow think they get to judge the evidence for God.”

    What evidence for god? Where? When? How did I miss them?
    Or, I rpobably didn’t, because you and your ilk never provide any.
    As always, you are only babbling and lying, and, from time to time, when you can’t keep it hidden inside you any longer, you just erupt your irrational intolerance and hate out, like vomiting of a drunk, like Lou, here in #5.

  56. on 11 Jul 2012 at 4:58 pm 56.DPK said …

    “If you lived two or three millennia ago, there was no shame in holding that the Universe was made for us. It was an appealing thesis consistent with everything we knew; it was what the most learned among us taught without qualification. But we have found out much since then. Defending such a position today amounts to willful disregard of the evidence, and a flight from self-knowledge.” Carl Sagan

    Yet, even today, the self delusion continues…
    Here we have examples of people, presumably intelligent enough to use a computer, who insist that they their belief in imaginary beings is completely rational, indeed obvious. Yet when asked why they believe such things, they typically point to the idea that the entire universe was created with us in mind… rather than the truth, that we are a rather incidental to it.
    Willful ignorance, and a stunning amount of self importance. Yet, they continue to smugly claim that they know things they cannot know, and have proof of things for which there is no proof… all because they want to live forever.

  57. on 11 Jul 2012 at 5:21 pm 57.Xenon said …

    “Defending such a position today amounts to willful disregard of the evidence, and a flight from self-knowledge.” Carl Sagan”

    Thanks DPK. What evidence is being ignored today that shows us God did not create the universe? I’m more than ready to change my position as soon as we can verify Sagan’s evidence.

    This should be great!

  58. on 11 Jul 2012 at 5:45 pm 58.Prime said …

    57.Xenon amounts to “I’m an idiot and think I’ve said something clever!”

    An additional point to 56.DPK is that in the early 1900s (and before), we could burn the living hell out of trees, coal, oil, etc., and deforest the rain forests and all of that without being immoral. Now that we know the consequences of those actions vastly better, things have changed.

    The same kind of shift happened in the last few decades with regard to cigarette smoking. Before, say, the 1950s, advertising for tobacco was no less moral a thing to do than was advertising for anything else. Once we figured out that smoke, including tobacco smoke, is really, really bad for people and causes all kinds of otherwise preventable (and horrible) diseases, the morality of advocating smoking fell into an abyss.

  59. on 11 Jul 2012 at 5:50 pm 59.Lou(DFW) said …

    57.Xenonsense said …

    “What evidence is being ignored today that shows us God did not create the universe? I’m more than ready to change my position as soon as we can verify Sagan’s evidence.”

    When you can understand what Sagan said, as opposed to what you wrote, then perhaps we’ll proceed.

  60. on 11 Jul 2012 at 6:26 pm 60.Xenon said …

    Prime

    Rain forest and cigarette smoking all have studies along with a whole hosts of other things. I can look them up.

    According to DPK and and supposedly Sagan we have new studies and evidences that prove God did not create.

    Back to Sagan. What evidence is being ignored today that shows us God did not create the universe?

  61. on 11 Jul 2012 at 6:32 pm 61.Prime said …

    Actually, Xenon, that’s not what Sagan’s quote says. Sagan says we have a wealth of evidence available to us now (which you can go look up, indeed) that indicate that many of the claims for which the religions have invoked a god as explanation no longer require a god to be invoked. This difference is not subtle, and this isn’t the first time you’ve made this error.

  62. on 11 Jul 2012 at 6:56 pm 62.DPK said …

    Xenon still doesn’t get it. It is not that there is “new” evidence which shows that a magical god did NOT create the universe. There can be no such “evidence” anymore than there can be new “evidence” that the tooth fairy i not real.
    The idea is that the complete lack of evidence that a magical being did, or even was necessary to, create the universe is in itself “evidence.”
    One cannot find evidence that purple garden gnomes do not exist, but the failure to find any evidence whatsoever that they in fact do exist, is a strong indication that a belief in them is misplaced at best,and at worst, lunacy.

    Xenon didn’t do well in the “read and comprehend” sections, did he. If he was, in fact “designed” by a perfect omnipotent designer, it must have been on an off day. Perhaps god had the flu or something when he mapped out Xenon’s neural pathways.

  63. on 11 Jul 2012 at 6:56 pm 63.Xenon said …

    Prime,

    Actually Prime that is not what he said. Not even close.

    Anyhow, more false promises and lack of follow through.

    I reality there has not been a single discovery that eliminates God creating the universe in the last 5 years or the last 500 years. Go ahead, admit it, and let us be done with your defense of mindless quotes that have no teeth.

    Billions and Billions and Billion of years ago….

  64. on 11 Jul 2012 at 7:25 pm 64.DPK said …

    “I reality there has not been a single discovery that eliminates God creating the universe in the last 5 years or the last 500 years.”

    Sigh… teaching algebra to a poodle.
    Xenon, if you would, please explain to the rest of us stupid people how your statement is ANY more valid than saying’ “I [sic] reality there has not been a single discovery that eliminates (Cheeta the magical chimp) or (space pirates from the 12th dimension) or (fill in the blank with any ridiculous claim you care to make) creating the universe in the last 5 years or the last 500 years.

    You speak complete and utter nonsense. Show us what evidence you have that a god DID in fact create the universe… until you do that, you are babbling utter nonsense.

  65. on 11 Jul 2012 at 8:26 pm 65.Xenon said …

    DPK

    Silly boy, its not my place to prove your post or to chase your rabbits. It is yours.

    So what do you have? You and Sagan made a very significant claim. Well?

  66. on 11 Jul 2012 at 8:34 pm 66.DPK said …

    As I thought… more empty yammering from Xenon.
    You’re such an ass. YOU are the one claiming a god made the universe… again.. what evidence do you have to support it?
    What’s that? None???
    I thought so.
    Here they go again, demanding that we prove their gods don’t exist. Russell’s celestial teacup lives on.
    As I said, like trying to teach algebra to a poodle.

  67. on 11 Jul 2012 at 8:40 pm 67.DPK said …

    I suppose they are going to drag us through ALL the bogus theist tactics and red herrings once again to try and distract the conversation from the fact they have absolutely no evidence that their magical gods actual exist.
    First.. the argument from majority… “most people believe….”
    Then, the argument from ignorance… “you can’t explain…”
    Then the reversal of the burden of proof… “prove god isn’t real…”
    Then, it will be the argument from communism… “Stalin killed millions”
    They’ve already tried the… “atheist are immoral” lie.
    Next will come the circular reasoning and begging the question… “the bible says god is real, and the bible is the word of god.. so”
    Jesus… give me strength with these idiots… No wonder they are so easily brainwashed…. it’s a light load.

  68. on 11 Jul 2012 at 8:55 pm 68.A said …

    X

    Ha Ha, DPK regularly lets loose with an embarrassing faux pas. He didn’t understand it, sounded good so he posted it.

    He does what he can to save face by attempting to put the burden on someone other than DPK.

    Dob’t be too hard on him. He is fun to watch.

  69. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:04 pm 69.Severin said …

    57 Xenon
    “Thanks DPK. What evidence is being ignored today that shows us God did not create the universe?“

    No such evidence, I would say.
    I would call the possibility that a god created the universe „not probable“, or “hardly probable”, not impossible, but I personally do not believe a god created universe.
    Fair enough?

    Now you tell us:
    There are evidences you can not just deny about universe we know began its existence some 13.75 billion years ago.
    Do you deny those evidences? Do you deny the big bang, no matter who/what caused it?

    Now you tell us which god created universe, and what Christianity, and Christian god, that first appeared some 2000 years ago, have to do with creation of universe?
    What could possibly be YOUR evidences that YOUR god (or any other god) was involved in the BB?

    Who (or what) is the god you worship?
    What are his (her, its) attributes?

    What Christianity and its god, that appeared funny 2000 years ago, have to do with BB?

    Enlighten us, or shut up until you provide some evidences for your bullshit claims.

  70. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:17 pm 70.Severin said …

    57 Xenon
    “I’m more than ready to change my position as soon as we can verify Sagan’s evidence.”

    You can change your “position” immediately.
    You can continue believing A god created the universe, but you can’t follow Christianity, as IT CAN NOT BE A CHRISTIAN GOD who created universe. He who was invented very late in human history, as all gods invented by humans appeared far too late to have any influence in “creating” universe.
    “Only some 13.75 billion years (minus some 10-20,000 years) too late.

    You “religion” is delusion, and it must be that you are an idiot, or a dishonest man, if you don’t admit it.

    Continue believing in a “creator”, if you prefer it, but do not pretend that you know ANYTHING about him/her/it, and do not fuck us with your idiotic goat herder’s gods that do not fit anywhere.

  71. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:28 pm 71.Severin said …

    63 xenon
    ““I(n) reality there has not been a single discovery that eliminates God creating the universe in the last 5 years or the last 500 years.”

    What does it mean, please?

    Does it mean that mermaids and leprechauns exist because “in reality there has not been a single discovery that eliminates existence of mermaids and leprechauns”?

    Or, maybe YOU have found “discoveries” that eliminate existence of the a.m. creatures?!

    Please provide them for us!

  72. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:33 pm 72.Severin said …

    65 Xenon
    “So what do you have? You and Sagan made a very significant claim. Well?”

    And you didn’t?
    Have you, or haven’t you say that there is a god?
    it was a very significant claim. So, what do you have?
    Well?

  73. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:36 pm 73.Severin said …

    68 A
    “He does what he can to save face by attempting to put the burden on someone other than DPK.”

    You are a proven idiot and all you can do is trying petting with other theists.
    Leave it for your private life, do not fuck us with your idiotic “wisdom”.

  74. on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:37 pm 74.alex said …

    the muslim god and the xtian god both exclusively created the universe. how the fuck is that possible? when an atheist here says “praise allah”, the meaning is totally lost on you morons. when scientologists state their own version of crap and ask you, moronic theists to disprove scientology and you can’t, they can then conclude scientology is fact? if you can’t get your head around that, you’re too dumb to join this club. get the fuck out of here. your nonsense is tiring.

    unless you can prove santa doesn’t exist, he is fact! translate for you morons, this is sarcasm.

    unless you can prove god doesn’t exist, he is fact!
    this argument can be used for any stupid shit.

    read it closely and get your head around it. don’t skip any words, don’t get distracted by the missing capitalization or the bad grammar.

  75. on 11 Jul 2012 at 10:40 pm 75.alex said …

    “Does it mean that mermaids and leprechauns exist..”

    in the atheist mind they do. in their perfect world, women would be subservient, gays ?? and other peoples of other nations would be enslaved just like it says in the bible (you want the passages?). that’s why they will keep passing out their bibles, handouts and holding up their romans 3:23 to proclaim their righteousness, until all the nonxtians are eliminated.

    meanwhile the bible is steadily becoming irrelevant even from within its followers as passage after passage is deemed allegorical, out of context, or some other euphemism bullshit(same passages?). that’s why some theists say, i tolerate gays, women are equal, i work on sundays, or adultery is tolerated.

    still awaiting the god, santa, leprechaun, and unicorn evidence. to be fair, i’m also awaiting the dark matter/energy evidence.

  76. on 11 Jul 2012 at 11:01 pm 76.Lou(DFW) said …

    60.Xenonsense said …

    “Back to Sagan. What evidence is being ignored today that shows us God did not create the universe?”

    You’re either incredibly stupid or an outright liar. If you’re neither, then show where Sagan said, as YOU claim, not DPK, that “God did not create the universe.” Until you do, you are, in fact, a liar or an idiot. Which is it – a liar or an idiot?

  77. on 11 Jul 2012 at 11:12 pm 77.alex said …

    yikes!

    in the atheist mind they do.

    meant theist. context, please.

  78. on 12 Jul 2012 at 2:50 am 78.Lou(DFW) said …

    77.alex said …

    “meant theist. context, please.”

    Yes, we knew what you meant.

  79. on 12 Jul 2012 at 3:06 am 79.Lou(DFW) said …

    68.ASStrophysicist said …

    “He does what he can to save face by attempting to put the burden on someone other than DPK.”

    The burden you are attempting to place, as with most, if not all, of what you post here is a lie. Sagan did not say or write that god did not create the universe as you say DPK claimed that he did. As such, there’s no burden to bear.

    Crum can’t do it, an neither can you – show us where Sagan wrote that “God did not create the universe.”

    On second thought, I’m tired of toying with and tolerating you liars and morons, so I’m going to spell it out for you. Here’s what Sagan said and wrote:

    “If you lived two or three millennia ago, there was no shame in holding that the Universe was made for us”

    Sagan said that THE UNIVERSE WAS NOT MADE FOR US. He did NOT say that God did not make the universe. Now you can run and hide for a week so as you usually do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0&feature=player_embedded#!

    http://www.celebatheists.com/wiki/Carl_Sagan

    “Carl Edward Sagan (1934-1997) was an astronomer and science popularizer.

    In a March 1996 profile by Jim Dawson in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Sagan talked about his then-new book The Demon Haunted World and was asked about his personal spiritual views: “My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it,” he said. “An agnostic is somebody who doesn’t believe in something until there is evidence for it, so I’m agnostic.”

    Update from Tom Head, editor of Conversations with Carl Sagan (University Press of Mississippi, 2006):

    Sagan resisted the atheism label and self-described as an agnostic.

    In a 1981 interview with U.S. Catholic, Sagan said: “I have some discomfort with both believers and with nonbelievers when their opinions are not based on facts … If we don’t know the answer, why are we under so much pressure to make up our minds, to declare our allegiance to one hypothesis or the other?”

    In a 1996 interview with NPR’s Talk of the Nation, Sagan said (when asked about religious beliefs): “Where’s the evidence? Now, the word God is used to cover a wide variety of very different ideas, ranging maybe from the idea of an outsized light-skinned male with a long white beard who sits in a throne in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow–for which there is no evidence, none at all–to the view of Einstein, of Spinoza, which is essentially that God is the sum total of the laws of nature. And since there are laws of nature … if that’s what you mean by God, then of course there’s a God. So everything depends on the definition of God.”

    In a 1996 interview with NPR’s Fresh Air, Sagan said: “I find that you learn absolutely nothing about someone’s belief if you ask them ‘Do you believe in God?’ and they say yes or no. You have to specify which of the countless kinds of God you have in mind.”

    In another 1996 interview, Sagan told Joel Achenbach: “An atheist has to know more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no God.”

    In an interview with The Humanist magazine conducted after Sagan’s death, his wife, Ann Druyan, said that neither she nor Sagan believed in a traditional God or an afterlife.”

  80. on 12 Jul 2012 at 3:47 am 80.Lou(DFW) said …

    60.Xenonsense said …

    “Rain forest and cigarette smoking all have studies along with a whole hosts of other things. I can look them up.”

    While you’re at it, look up the comparable studies on the existence of god.

  81. on 12 Jul 2012 at 4:41 pm 81.DPK said …

    Man… I quote Sagan saying that the universe was not “made for us” and that claims to the contrary are willful ignorance, and Xenon responds demanding to know what evidence Sagan discovered that “god did not create the universe.”
    Actually what he said was “there has not been a single discovery that eliminates God creating the universe in the last 5 years or the last 500 years.”
    I don’t recall anyone claiming god created the universe in the last 5 or 500 years… but even at that….
    Here is a claim for Xenon… that is every bit as valid as his statement.
    There has not been a single scientific discovery that eliminates the Travelocity Gnome creating the universe. Not one.

    Again, teaching algebra to a poodle.

  82. on 12 Jul 2012 at 5:18 pm 82.Lou(DFW) said …

    81.DPK said …

    “Actually what he (xenonsense) said was “there has not been a single discovery that eliminates God creating the universe in the last 5 years or the last 500 years.”

    He also said “Go ahead, admit it, and let us be done with your defense of mindless quotes that have no teeth.”

    Well, I admit it, there’s no such “discovery that eliminates God…” HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! I KNOW for a FACT that I was here more than five years ago, so I KNOW for a FACT that god didn’t create the universe within five years ago. And I’m pretty sure that everybody will agree that the universe existed more than 500 years ago, so ipso-fatso, xenonsense is, SURPRISE, wrong about that, too.

  83. on 12 Jul 2012 at 5:19 pm 83.Lou(DFW) said …

    DPK, there’s one issue that I have with you -

    STOP INSULTING POODLES by comparing them to xenonsense.

  84. on 12 Jul 2012 at 6:16 pm 84.Severin said …

    57 xenon
    Where are you?
    In a mouse hole?

    As always, you will hide for a week or two, hoping we will forget your blurs, then you will appear again with some “clever” comment.

    Or, maybe you will be honest (for the first time) and tell us what Christian, or any other god made up by human beings, has to do with creation of universe.

    Well!?

  85. on 12 Jul 2012 at 7:29 pm 85.Xenon said …

    “Ha Ha, DPK regularly lets loose with an embarrassing faux pas. He didn’t understand it, sounded good so he posted it.”

    Not just DPK, pretty much all of them. They are getting jumpy because I am a busy man and have little time to play with them.

    OK DPK lets try this new claim.

    “the universe was not “made for us””

    Now where is your proof for this claim? Why is it here? Where did it come from?

  86. on 12 Jul 2012 at 7:56 pm 86.Lou(DFW) said …

    85.Xenon said …

    “Not just DPK, pretty much all of them. They are getting jumpy because I am a busy man and have little time to play with them.”

    Right, busy searching for a way to back-pedal away from your stupid and erroneous comments.

    “OK DPK lets try this new claim.”

    It’s not a “new claim,” you moron. Because you can finally comprehend a few simple sentences doesn’t make them new except to the idiot who can’t comprehend them -YOU.

    Here’s Sagan’s comment in both text and video.

    http://www.haveabit.com/sagan/24

    Now, do us all a big favor and stay “busy.”

  87. on 12 Jul 2012 at 7:57 pm 87.DPK said …

    OK DPK lets try this new claim.

    “the universe was not “made for us””

    Well, if it was, it was made for us by an idiot. 99.9999% of the universe, if not more, would kill us instantly. If the entire geologic history of the earth (and bear in mind the earth is but 3-4 billions years old… compared to the 13.7 billion years of the universe)were mapped out on a scale equal to the Empire State Building, the entirety of recorded human history would be equivalent to the thickness of a coat of paint on the roof. So, yes, we are pretty insignificant to the universe. If an omnipotent being created it for us.. that would be the equivalent of building an entire city to house a single bacteria in a petri dish in the corner of some basement lab in some obscure section of the city. No, even THAT would be a gross exaggeration. Is that “proof”? I suppose not. Not by your standards anyway. But you think a magic being made humans out of mud and then impregnated a virgin with his non-physical sperm so she could give birth to himself in human form so he could be killed as a human sacrifice to himself to atone for a woman who was tricked into eating a magic apple by a talking snake and who also has an inordinate fixation on virgins, foreskins, animal sacrifices, and the proper way to beat your slaves. And, oh yeah, killing people… lots and lots and lots of people. So.. yeah, whatever.

    Now where is your proof for this claim? Why is it here? Where did it come from?
    Here’s an answer for you… where is your proof it was made for us? Why do you think that?
    Why is it here? Why do you think there is a “why”?
    It is here because it is. There is no “why”.
    Where did it come from? I don’t know… neither do you. Stop pretending you do.

    Now, are you going to explain to us why your claim, which I assume you made thinking you were saying something intelligent and profound, is in fact any different from my claim about the Travelocity Gnome?
    Until you do so, everything you say is just babble.
    You made a claim, not back it up or shut the fuck up and admit you are just once again talking out your ass. No shame in it for you. It’s a position you have found yourself in on multiple occasions here.
    How about it Xenon/Hor… put up or shut up.

  88. on 12 Jul 2012 at 8:11 pm 88.Lou(DFW) said …

    DPK, it’s not your claim to “prove” or defend xenonsense’s challenge to you for something Sagan said. It’s just another one his juvenile games used to avoid the fact that he doesn’t have any evidence for his imaginary god.

    But, xenonsense, we’ll give you a chance to:

    1. Admit that you don’t have any such evidence

    2. Provide evidence that god exists and/or he created the universe (for us).

    3. Renounce your claim in 2.

    Xenonsense, we all know that you have a reading comprehension problem, so take your time to repeatedly read it slowly and carefully to ensure that you don’t get it wrong AGAIN.

  89. on 12 Jul 2012 at 8:20 pm 89.Xenon said …

    “Well, if it was, it was made for us by an idiot. 99.9999% of the universe, if not more, would kill us instantly.”

    Here we are with another claim! Again not substantiated. Have you covered the entire universe? Can you back up this claim?

    Irrelevant to my previous question since we seem pretty safe right here in the Milky Way. Even if we were not safe so what?

    Now DPK, your wiggling is getting quite embarrassing. Can you substantiate a single claim you have made on this thread?

  90. on 12 Jul 2012 at 9:12 pm 90.Lou(DFW) said …

    89.Xenonsense said …

    “Well, if it was, it was made for us by an idiot. 99.9999% of the universe, if not more, would kill us instantly.”

    “Here we are with another claim! Again not substantiated. Have you covered the entire universe? Can you back up this claim?”

    DPK, do you ever get the feeling that you’re having a discussion with a child who answers “why?” to every single answer and explanation you give in response to his child-like questions?

    Regardless, you’re on the right track, but off by a HUGE factor. Assuming mass evenly distributed at the density of the sun, it’s estimated that less than 0.0000000000000000000042 percent of the universe contains any matter – approximately the same brain matter density inside xenonsense’s skull.

  91. on 12 Jul 2012 at 9:27 pm 91.Lou(DFW) said …

    89.Xenonsense said …

    “Now DPK, your wiggling is getting quite embarrassing.”

    Xenonsense, here you are with another claim! Again, not substantiated. Can you back up this claim?

  92. on 12 Jul 2012 at 9:35 pm 92.DPK said …

    Yes xenon.. Back up your claim that we are “very safe here in the milky way.”
    Name just one other spot aside from the surface of the earth that would not kill you instantly. Can you show us even one?
    Now, are you ever going to answer any of the challenges placed to you? Ever? Or, like a school child, which you just continue to ignore your superiors?

  93. on 13 Jul 2012 at 12:00 am 93.Prime said …

    Xenonsense is trying to play the shift the burden of proof game at maximum capacity. Engines are set to full facepalm.

  94. on 13 Jul 2012 at 12:45 am 94.Isaac said …

    Please get some to write this blog who presents a legitimate argument.

    Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
    Colossians 3:11

  95. on 13 Jul 2012 at 12:59 am 95.Prime said …

    94.Isaac said …

    “Please get some to write this blog who presents a legitimate argument.
    Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
    Colossians 3:11″

    Irony much, Isaac? Looks like you’re a pro.

  96. on 13 Jul 2012 at 3:18 am 96.DPK said …

    Ever notice that exactly at the same time that Crum disappears after being torn to shreds for his stupid, nonsensical and demonstrably false statements, xenon or horatiio always show up with another round of the same inane tactics they always try?
    Coincidence? I think not.

  97. on 13 Jul 2012 at 6:29 am 97.Severin said …

    96 DPK
    “Ever notice that exactly at the same time that Crum disappears after being torn to shreds for his stupid, nonsensical and demonstrably false statements, xenon or horatiio always show up with another round of the same inane tactics they always try?”

    And it seems that you agree to be caught on his/their fish hook by accepting and continuing discussing his/their nonsense ideas which have only purpose of removing the story from questions he/they do’t like to answer (not even to hear!).

    Xenon,
    Which god do you worship?
    The god from Bible, or a god who supposedly created universe some 13.75 billion years ago causing the big bang?
    I can’t see any parallel between those two gods, unless your god first caused BB, then, after 13.75 billion years came to earth to “create” man from mud.

    Well?

  98. on 13 Jul 2012 at 6:42 am 98.Severin said …

    Xenon,
    Isn’t it obvious that there are (for you) ONLY 2 possibilities:

    a) Your god from Bible created universe some 6000 or 10000 years ago using abracadabra “methods”
    b) Some other god caused big bang some 13.7 billion years ago

    In both cases Christianity AND any other religion are totally unfounded.
    In case a) because it is clear that things did NOT go that way (light, waters, man from dirt, women from man’s rib, talking snakes, … bullshits)
    In case b) because the story of god who created universe causing BB was not something the Bible, which is the ONLY foundation of Christianity, was based on.

    Why don’t you honestly explain your position?
    Are you a Christian, or a worshiper of a god who created universe causing the BB?

  99. on 13 Jul 2012 at 6:50 am 99.Severin said …

    X
    There is the 3rd possibility for ME, which I, as a fair player, exposed many times here, but let’s FINALLY clear YOUR position.

    According to you, WHICH GOD EXISTS: god from the Bible, or god who caused the BB?

    If you don’t clear it, you are nowhere, lost, bye bye!

  100. on 13 Jul 2012 at 12:27 pm 100.Lou(DFW) said …

    99.Severin said …

    “According to you, WHICH GOD EXISTS: god from the Bible, or god who caused the BB?”

    They won’t answer this question because they know they will paint themselves into a corner.

    They are intellectually dishonest, and I use the word “intellectually” very figuratively.

  101. on 13 Jul 2012 at 3:25 pm 101.DPK said …

    To be a christian, you must be either intellectually dishonest, or able to completely disengage intellect from reality. So, dishonest or deluded, most are a mixture of both.

  102. on 13 Jul 2012 at 3:58 pm 102.DPK said …

    97.Severin said …

    “And it seems that you agree to be caught on his/their fish hook by accepting and continuing discussing his/their nonsense ideas which have only purpose of removing the story from questions he/they do’t like to answer (not even to hear!).”

    Well, in the interest of being intellectually honest, I don’t like leaving questions asked of me unanswered, even if they are not “serious” questions and amount to little more than a 6 year old repeatedly saying “uh-uh, no it’s not….”.
    I don’t think repeatedly pointing out the serious flaws in their arguments and reasoning (yes, over and over and over again) is actually “getting caught on a fish hook” so much as it is showing perhaps 3rd party readers who have an open mind that being intellectually honest means responding rationally to all questions, comments, and challenges in an honest way. Something the theists here repeatedly and consistently fail to do.
    It does not really say much for the validity of your position when you 1. refuse to defend it, and 2. you must resort to lies and deception in order to try and convince others of your position.

    Xenon… are you EVER going to answer my question about my Gnome creating the universe and how it differs in any way at all from your statement?

    I predict either continued silence from Xenon, or at best, either some feeble attempt at a quip, or another complete diversion.
    If you are (understandably) unwilling to take a stab at that, perhaps you can resume your Curmedegon persona and back up your claim that 40yr’s rambling post about Boolean algebra somehow supports the claim that Islam is not an insane religion.
    Watch.

  103. on 13 Jul 2012 at 6:23 pm 103.Prime said …

    The usual progression will be for one of them to come in, take a particular sentence out of some of what we’ve written, misquote or otherwise misconstrue it, and say something stupid and off-topic, often including thinking they’ve cleverly turned something around on us.

    Then another one comes in and says “Good point, OtherMe.” and adds more stupidity of the same kind to the fray.

  104. on 13 Jul 2012 at 7:35 pm 104.DPK said …

    Yes, notice readers that I challenged Xenon aka Hor, aka Curm, to “put up or shut up”.

    Notice he chose to shut up instead of providing any evidence; for his imaginary god, that this imaginary god created the universe (apparently according to his dismal communication skills, somewhere between 5 and 500 years ago), that the universe was indeed created only so that we (humans) could live in it, and that the milky way galaxy is by and large “safe” for human existence.

    In his other persona as Curm, he claimed that, “if we can rid the world of atheists, it would be a much better place.” This claim despite the fact that when the world was “rid of atheists” we called that period in human history “The Dark Ages”.., for good reason.

    All the while claiming that atheists are an inconsequential fringe minority, while at the same time spending an inordinate amount of time trying to convince themselves, usually through fallacious reasoning and outright lies, that they know the secrets of the universe and are in fact, best friends with it’s creator.

  105. on 13 Jul 2012 at 11:02 pm 105.Lou (DFW) said …

    76.Lou(DFW) said …

    60.Xenonsense said …

    “Back to Sagan. What evidence is being ignored today that shows us God did not create the universe?”

    “You’re either incredibly stupid or an outright liar. If you’re neither, then show where Sagan said, as YOU claim, not DPK, that “God did not create the universe.” Until you do, you are, in fact, a liar or an idiot. Which is it – a liar or an idiot?”

    In lieu of any reply, the “default position” is – BOTH.

  106. on 14 Jul 2012 at 11:54 am 106.Anonymous said …

    104.DPK so, if the same person posts as Hor, A, Ben, Biff, Boz, Curmudgeon, Cleo, Martin, Clauswitz, and others, with the intent on disrupting the conversation and either runs away or brings up a new persona when challenged; what does that tell us about their honesty, integrity, mental status and, most importantly, the likelihood that engaging their hate-filled rants will produce anything other than the same behavior?

    No one bothers with the 40 year asshole any more. His nonsense is dismissed with blah blah blah which is about all it deserves, and see all know he throws in his angry rants then runs away fearful of any venue where he can’t ban people who expose his manifesto for the nonsense that it is.

    Yet, Hor posts the same tired old taunts time after time and folks jump in to engage him time after time. Why bother?

  107. on 16 Jul 2012 at 2:48 pm 107.Scourge said …

    The power of prayer illustrated in the attached article made me think of theists everywhere…

    http://gma.yahoo.com/britny-haarup-ashley-key-bodies-2-missing-missouri-062234160–abc-news-topstories.html

  108. on 25 Jul 2012 at 4:59 am 108.dan said …

    you all clearly have not yet found the lord. dont worry he knows where u r.
    remember religion is man made, like politics, very easy to rebute.
    faith is different it doesnt care who u r or what u have become. your arguments r silly, of course God isnt going to cure everyone of cancer. our sins have built this society we live in. its called free will, it is why u get to continue to believe what u do. I dont think your stupid or even wrong for feeling tje way u do, I, like the lord, have faith that one day u to will discover faith and the serentity of Gods love. thx for your time, your points make me laugh and give me strength but didnt lead me to.waver in the slightest.
    God bless
    Dan

  109. on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:15 am 109.dan said …

    p.s.
    if God cures all amputees u would never learn to accept the differences in all of us. If we were all perfect would we be bettet off? I cnt make u believe and dont want to try. good luck in finding whatever your searching for, u all r surroundedby like minded people all searching for justification in your beliefs. a God fearing individual is justified by faith .i understand that u do not understand. God bless them for they know.not what they do

  110. on 25 Jul 2012 at 10:25 am 110.Lou(DFW) said …

    109.dan the excuse man said …

    “if God cures all amputees u would never learn to accept the differences in all of us.”

    Does he cure anybody of anything?

  111. on 24 Sep 2012 at 4:17 am 111.godisdog said …

    u assclowns god is adog god dog look at those 2 words one if there was a god it dont care about usandits dead all that live die even your god andifucant seethat your a clown no such thing as a god only adog willany body who thinks there is is a clown god sucks ustupid morons wake up it never or u will never see it stuipid noooo goooood

  112. on 26 Sep 2012 at 11:35 am 112.The messenger said …

    God has given us his greatest gifts.

    He has given us his love, kindness, virtues, and his son Jesus.

    But we have abandoned those gifts.

    We have resorted to inflicting pain upon other to solve our problems.

    We have killed each other over skin color, religion, politics, and revenge.

    Even after all the chaos that mankind has brought upon it’s self I still see some good people.

    I see people who care for others before themselves.

    I see people who forgive those who inflict pain upon them.

    I see people who do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

    Be like those people.

    The messenger
    Everyday I see people who think they are better than others simply because they are physically or mentally stronger.

    Those people are misguided.

    The true strength of a person is judged not by there mind, and not by their muscles.

    True strength is shown when someone finds the will to forgive those who treat him badly.

    Some one with true strength will not hate the people who make fun of him. Instead he would forgive them and pity them.

    Forgiveness is the greatest lesson God has tought mankind, sadly it is also the one most people forget.

    The messenger

  113. on 26 Sep 2012 at 11:41 am 113.The messenger said …

    Some people think that God doesn’t care about them simply because bad things happen to them. God cares about all people and the only reason that he allows bad things to happen to is so we can learn from them. Think about it. If nothing bad ever happend to us, how would we become better people? We learn best from our mistakes.

  114. on 26 Sep 2012 at 1:34 pm 114.Lou(DFW) said …

    113.The messenger said …

    “God cares about all people and the only reason that he allows bad things to happen to is so we can learn from them. Think about it. If nothing bad ever happend to us, how would we become better people? We learn best from our mistakes.”

    That’s what I thought. So when my child kept playing in the street after I told him not to, I thought, I will allow him to play in the street so when he gets hit by a car, then he will learn not play in the street. Sure enough, he got hit by a car – it killed him. He will never play in the street again. See, I love and care about my children, that’s why I allow bad things to happen to them.

  115. on 26 Sep 2012 at 3:20 pm 115.Lou(DFW) said …

    112.The messenger said …

    “God has given us his greatest gifts.
    He has given us his love, kindness, virtues, and his son Jesus.
    But we have abandoned those gifts.”

    Obviously, they weren’t so great.

  116. on 26 Sep 2012 at 4:15 pm 116.DPK said …

    Really… what lesson is god trying to teach this kid:
    http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-3/starving-child.jpg

    You know, your message in 112 has a lot of truth. There are good people in the world, but you don’t need an imaginary god in order to be a good person. You just need to be a good person. I know many kind and loving people, both religious and atheist… and I also know some real assholes of both persuasions. Only shows me that altruism does not require a magical imaginary god. That’s a fact.

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