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Islam Thomas on 26 Jun 2012 12:23 am

The insanity of Islam

Upon reading this, what is an intelligent person to think?

Egypt presidential candidate seeks Constitution based on Sharia Law

Egypt’s Constitution should be based on the Koran and Sharia law, presidential candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood Islamist movement Mohamed Morsi said.

“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students on Saturday night.

Death in the name of Allah is our goal

No thinking person can read that without concluding that Morsi is insane. His religion has caused his insanity.

Whether you are a Muslim or a Christian, it is time to abandon your religion and join with sane people who are religion-free. This video will help:

154 Responses to “The insanity of Islam”

  1. on 26 Jun 2012 at 1:46 am 1.Anonymous said …

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/jul/01/comment.religion1

  2. on 26 Jun 2012 at 8:49 am 2.vonjd said …

    I’d call this: One nation under God!

  3. on 26 Jun 2012 at 2:05 pm 3.BrianE said …

    Ra is going to be furious…

  4. on 26 Jun 2012 at 10:11 pm 4.Scourge said …

    The notion of an Islamic theocracy, this time in Egypt is unspeakably bad. Sadly, the United States is well on its way to the same fate as Egypt. One can be highbrow and almost excuse something primitive like the Muslim Brotherhood, it being Egypt and all. It is impossible to excuse that the United States’ Supreme Court is stacked with wacked-out Papist jurists, is at risk of having someone as unhinged as a Mormon for president, and has Taliban-esque Tea Party wing-nuts running amok in Congress. It is quite plausible to argue the United States of America is the greatest threat to the forward progress of the world.

  5. on 27 Jun 2012 at 6:08 am 5.Vee said …

    This comment probably doesn’t belong on this post, but I shall put it here anyway. I am completely sick and tired of you atheists demanding our “evidence” for the existance of our “imaginary” god. Our evidence is always brushed off as being lies, a coincidence or it can be scientifically explained, or just non-existant. Here’s my story and why I believe in god. For those of you who want evidence, here it is.

    Im 17 years old, grew up in a Christian family. They’re religious and traditional. They go to Church every Sunday, don’t eat red meat on Good Friday and so on. However there’s a difference between following religious traditions and being in touch with God. My parents have never appeared to be in touch with God; their religious traditions are just a part of their culture. I followed traditions because I had to, not because I believed in god. My parents broke up and my mum married a born-again Christian. This man, Steve, can speak in tongues (the ability to speak in a completely foreign language, either a language of this world or a ‘made up’ language). The only mental condition he has ever been diagnosed with was mild depression, and that lasted 7 months. He is otherwise a very sane, intellectual and skilled individual and father. The first time he spoke in tongues in front of me is when I started believing in god. It was the most surreal experience. He can stop and start on que, but he has no control over what he’s saying. There has been scientific attempts at explaining this phenomenon, so this is highly unlikely to move you at all. Let’s move on.

    I have never liked church. Whether I’m sitting down, kneeling or standing, I always end up feeling light-headed, short of breath and dizzy, particularly during prayers. I also experienced the same feelings when priests would come around to our house to bless it.Blood tests proved that I was perfectly fine. I’ve always been active and fit. I have never fainted, blacked-out or had dizzy spells. My step-dad had an explanation for this – it was the presence of god.

    I often had nightmares about demons and spirits when I was younger. These nightmares completely stopped once I started sleeping with two blessed items I received from church. One day when I had changed my bed sheets, I forgot to put the items back under my pillow. That night I had a nightmare about demons and spirits. The next day I realised I hadn’t put the items back, and I came to the realisation that they actually do work in keeping supernatural dreams away. I still sleep with them every night, and I have not had a nightmare since then.

    The bible I have is the New King James bible for students. At the end of most passages within the bible are explanations/summaries of the passages. There are 1600 pages in the bible, and can I just say that every single time I have done this, it has worked. When I really need answers or support, I turn to the bible. I pray, asking god to show me the answer, then I open the bible to a random page and the answer is there. For example, about two months ago after a discussion with my Muslim friend, I had a realisation. What makes the bible any more accurate than the qu’ran? What if they’re both bullshit? What if in two hundren years time, history students will be studying Abrahamic religions as we study Greek mythology today? Where is the proof that god exists? I prayed, not even sure if I was praying to anything, and asked god, if he existed, to show me how the bible is trustworthy. I opened the bible to a random page and the first thing I read was one of those explanations/summaries. It was explaining the origins of the bible. For the life of me I can’t remember what it said. The only line I distinctly remember, as it was the one I was most taken aback by, was “the bible is complete, and completely trustworthy.” A similar thing happened when I asked god to tell me who Jesus really is. I did the same thing, and the first line I read was “Jesus is the bread of life.”

    Of course I could mention the ‘feelings’ I have experienced during amazing church services, but athiests don’t consider feelings to be evidence. So there you have it. I don’t believe in god because of what I have read in the bible, or because of what I have been told by other people. I believe in god because I believe ‘he’ has shown ‘himself’ to me. There’s my evidence. Think of it what you will.

  6. on 27 Jun 2012 at 11:19 am 6.freddies_dead said …

    Vee said…

    There’s my evidence. Think of it what you will.

    I think it’s a pile of laughable shite but thanks for posting it, kept me amused for a moment or two.

  7. on 27 Jun 2012 at 11:46 am 7.Anonymous said …

    5.Vee said …

    ” I believe in god because I believe ‘he’ has shown ‘himself’ to me. There’s my evidence. Think of it what you will.”

    A rational person knows that God is imaginary, and knows that you are rationalizing God’s existence because you want to believe in God. To prove that, simply ask God to show you something new and spontaneous. Ask him to show you the winning lottery number next week, or the cure for cancer. Then open the Bible and see what it shows you.

    Why do you want to believe in God? What do you gain in your life by believing in this being?

  8. on 27 Jun 2012 at 12:20 pm 8.Severin said …

    #5 Vee
    “I am completely sick and tired of you atheists demanding our “evidence” for the existance of our “imaginary” god.”

    I am sick and tired of theist’s pushing their gods through our throats.
    I don’t give a fuck for your, or anyone else’s beliefs, and I don’t expect anyone to force me to trust something I cant, and don’t want to trust.

    All churches use enormous propaganda to convince people that there is/are god/s (money is the real goal!), although nobody asks for their opinion, and someone who might need it, would probably ask for it.
    Unfortunately, in private life, indoctrinated theists also push their gods through everyone’s throats.
    I NEVER ask anyone for his/her religion, never start debates about religion, respect anyone’s private opinion, but I DO NOT LIKE anyone to shit on me by unchallenged/uninvited starting his/her aggressive exposing of his/her private opinions about gods and religions, most frequently combined with trying to convince me he/she is right.
    Why, the hell, should I tolerate it?

    If you want, unchallenged, to say something I don’t agree with, and if I accept debate, it is quite normal that I demand evidences for what you say.
    If I came to you with an idea of god being a worm in an apple, you would certainly demand evidences, and stopped any further discussion until I expose them.

    WHAT made YOU read this blog AND send post opinion?
    Why do YOU give a damn for mine?
    Why didn’t you just read it, make a smile, wave your hand and let people think what they want?

    But NO!
    You felt need to post, as I do when (rarely) read bullshits in religious blogs!

    Who is aggressive?

  9. on 27 Jun 2012 at 12:23 pm 9.Lou(DFW) said …

    5.Vee said …

    “I am completely sick and tired of you atheists demanding our “evidence” for the existance of our “imaginary” god.”

    Then stop making a claim that you can only support with anecdotal evidence that you posted, not actual evidence.

    “Our evidence is always brushed off as being lies, a coincidence or it can be scientifically explained, or just non-existant.”

    You omitted anecdotal evidence.

    “I did the same thing, and the first line I read was “Jesus is the bread of life.”

    But you “don’t believe in god because of what [you] have read in the bible.”

    “I believe in god because I believe ‘he’ has shown ‘himself’ to me.”

    You only “believe” he showed himself to you? That’s not much of an affirmation for god. Oh, and by the way, why doesn’t god reveal himself to me? I wasn’t always an atheist. Are you special, or is it the more likely explanation that you’re delusional?

    “There’s my evidence.”

    There’s more evidence for Santa Claus than you presented for your imaginary god.

    “Think of it what you will.”

    I don’t have to “think” anything about it. It’s very self-explanatory – it’s delusional, self-rationalizing nonsense.

  10. on 27 Jun 2012 at 12:24 pm 10.Severin said …

    Correction:
    You felt need to post, as I NEVER do when I (rarely) read bullshits in religious blogs.

  11. on 27 Jun 2012 at 12:33 pm 11.Lou(DFW) said …

    8.Severin said …

    “But NO!
    You felt need to post, as I do when (rarely) read bullshits in religious blogs!”

    Exactly, but here he is complaining and whining about being “sick and tired of you atheists demanding our “evidence” for the existance of our “imaginary” god.”

    Why doesn’t he simply stay in a tax-payer subsidized church and otherwise STFU about his belief in an imaginary god? Nobody demands any evidence from him before he can do that, and nobody is infringing upon his right to do so. Are there some atheists in church, hiding under the pews who during the ancient rituals suddenly jump out and demand evidence?

  12. on 27 Jun 2012 at 12:48 pm 12.Lou(DFW) said …

    5.Vee said …

    “Our evidence is always brushed off as being lies, a coincidence or it can be scientifically explained, or just non-existant. Here’s my story and why I believe in god. For those of you who want evidence, here it is:

    I believe in god because I believe ‘he’ has shown ‘himself’ to me. There’s my evidence.”

    http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/can-science-test-the-supernatural-yes/

    “Indeed, if miracles, answered prayers, and regrown limbs were seen, the faithful would trumpet this as evidence for God, and of course many of them are always looking (in vain) for such evidence: the remnants of Noah’s Ark, the supposed authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, the ludicrous attempts of creationists to verify that the Grand Canyon was caused by the flood. In truth, believers want, need, and search for evidence for their faith. But in the end, that evidence always comes down to a kind of knowledge that is not confirmable or convincing: revelation.”

  13. on 27 Jun 2012 at 12:53 pm 13.Vee said …

    Anonymous,

    I hate the constant referral to atheists as “rational.” I believe that my belief in God is rational and logical.

    What all you atheists don’t understand is how God works. Of course he will not give me winning lottery numbers or the cure for cancer. This isn’t heaven. This is earth. We don’t get everything we ask for. I am aware of the quote “ask and you shall receive” that you atheists mock and throw back in our faces. Firstly, if you atheists ask God for something, of course you will not receive it. There is no faith behind your request. Secondly, this promise does have terms and conditions. We can only ask for our needs, not our wants. If we need financial assistance and we ask for it, we will receive it. If we want a brand new car, we will not receive it.

    “Ask God to show you something new and spontaneous.” God has already shown himself to me enough for me to believe in him. To ask him to show me something new is just looking in the gift horse’s mouth. I am not willing to play faith games with God because he is aware it is just a game and hence will not provide me with an answer. Faith is a concept atheists do not understand. It is the very foundation of religion.

    “Why do you want to believe in God? What do you gain in your life by believing in this being?”
    I believe in God because of my experiences, not because I want to. What do I gain by believing in God? A lot of people say they have found peace and meaning in life through religion. Having God in my life is what pulled me out of my depression. The main thing I have gained is inner peace and happiness. This is not why I “want” to believe in God, though. I “want” to believe in God because I know He exists.

  14. on 27 Jun 2012 at 1:03 pm 14.alex said …

    vee. methinks ur a troll. go read da rest of blog.

  15. on 27 Jun 2012 at 1:04 pm 15.Lou(DFW) said …

    13.Vee said …

    “I “want” to believe in God because I know He exists.”

    Good for you and all the kiddies who “know that Santa exists.” Now please explain again, why are you here?

  16. on 27 Jun 2012 at 1:12 pm 16.Lou(DFW) said …

    13.Vee said …

    “I believe that my belief…”

    LOL!

    “…in God is rational and logical.”

    We don’t care what you BELIEVE. We only care about what you can demonstrate.

    What part of that don’t you understand?

  17. on 27 Jun 2012 at 1:16 pm 17.Prime said …

    11.Lou(DFW) said …

    “Are there some atheists in church, hiding under the pews who during the ancient rituals suddenly jump out and demand evidence?”

    They aren’t hiding under pews. They’re standing in front of the congregations. The only ones in the room who have actually studied the bible hard enough to realize that it’s some scary, obsolete, mythological shit. See The Clergy Project.

  18. on 27 Jun 2012 at 1:20 pm 18.Lou(DFW) said …

    17.Prime said …

    “They aren’t hiding under pews. They’re standing in front of the congregations. The only ones in the room who have actually studied the bible hard enough to realize that it’s some scary, obsolete, mythological shit. See The Clergy Project.”

    Of course the churches are full of atheists, but they don’t demand any evidence from the theists. And those you speak of want your money, wife, and kids.

  19. on 27 Jun 2012 at 1:45 pm 19.Prime said …

    Oh, right. I meant to cut off that part about “jumping out and demanding evidence.” The clergy aren’t going to do that. It’s much harder to get in your daughter’s pants that way. Oh, wait, the atheist clergy aren’t the ones trying to do that; that’s the ones that actually believe in their heavenly get-out-of-jail-free card… never mind.

  20. on 27 Jun 2012 at 3:14 pm 20.Lou(DFW) said …

    “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Morsi said

    If he in fact said that, it just goes to show what thousands of years religious delusion does to people.

    I think at some point in time these kinds of lunatics actually develop a gene that causes them to think in that way.

  21. on 27 Jun 2012 at 4:39 pm 21.Curmudgeon said …

    Vee,

    Thank you having the courage to share you beliefs. Actually believing and defending beliefs never happens withe resident atheists here. To afraid of failure.

  22. on 27 Jun 2012 at 5:34 pm 22.MrQ said …

    “To afraid of failure.”

    That right, eh Cur? Let’s show Vee how it’s possible that people can share the same knowledge about the sciences and come to completely differing conclusions. Let’s again start off by having you state the age of the planet Earth. Cur, is the planet less than 100,000 years old? Is the planet greater than 2 billion years old?

    Don’t be afraid of failure, Cur.

    Show Vee the way to think properly. Somehow I feel this is another exercise in futility since the Cur is usually just another troll- disappearing into the ether -especially when the discussion at hand goes against his position. A position that centres on goddidit and has no weight beyond that.

  23. on 27 Jun 2012 at 6:59 pm 23.Lou(DFW) said …

    21.Crum said …

    “Vee,

    Thank you having the courage to share you beliefs.”

    55.Crum said …

    “Anyone else notice Prime and Lou do a great deal of patting on the back and use much of the same language?”

  24. on 27 Jun 2012 at 7:04 pm 24.Lou(DFW) said …

    21.Crum said …

    “Vee,

    “Thank you [for] having the courage to share you[r] beliefs. Actually believing and defending beliefs never happens withe [sic] resident atheists here. To[o] afraid of failure.”

    Crum obviously isn’t afraid of failure as he so frequently demonstrates here. And having you as company apparently comforts him.

    Vee,

    Thank you for having the courage to demonstrate the stupidity and delusion of your belief.

  25. on 27 Jun 2012 at 8:17 pm 25.Severin said …

    3 vee
    “I believe that my belief in God is rational and logical.”

    We not interested about what you believe or don’t believe!
    Tell it to someone who asks for such an information.

  26. on 27 Jun 2012 at 8:19 pm 26.Severin said …

    13 Vee
    “I believe in God because of my experiences, not because I want to.”

    Why should we have interest in what you want to, or don’t want to?
    Why don’t you tell it to your mom?

  27. on 27 Jun 2012 at 8:26 pm 27.Anonymous said …

    13.Vee said …

    “We can only ask for our needs, not our wants. If we need financial assistance and we ask for it, we will receive it.”

    How do you explain the thousands of Christian children and adults who will needlessly die today of things like starvation, thirst, cancer, diseases, etc. which result from poverty or lack of financial assistance?

  28. on 27 Jun 2012 at 8:37 pm 28.Severin said …

    21 Curmudgeon
    “Thank you having the courage to share you beliefs.”

    Why don’t you exchange your e-mail addresses, continue teasing each other in privacy, and stop maltreating the rest of us with your “Mom, I want to pee” bullshits.

    Who cares what you want or don’t want.

  29. on 27 Jun 2012 at 8:42 pm 29.Severin said …

    Correction:
    What I wanted to say was:
    “… continue petting …”

    Sorry for my bad English.

  30. on 27 Jun 2012 at 10:28 pm 30.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Vee, go up to your address bar, delete everything that comes after .com, spend a couple of hours reading the information that you are presented with and then come back here and share your thoughts.

    If you are still delusional (I don’t mean that as an insulting term, oh wait, yes I do!) even after scouring the site, there is truly no helping you.

  31. on 28 Jun 2012 at 1:13 am 31.A said …

    “We not interested about what you believe or don’t believe!”

    Vee,

    Slap Nuts Severin doesn’t speak for “WE”. I too thank you for sharing your convictions akin to a gentleman and not like the animals that frequent the blog. They are fun to watch much like going to a zoo. ?

    It’s refreshing to hear from someone who believes something.

  32. on 28 Jun 2012 at 1:19 pm 32.Vee said …

    29 Slapnuts McGee

    Actually, I have read most parts of this site.

    “If you are still delusional (I don’t mean that as an insulting term, oh wait, yes I do!) even after scouring the site, there is truly no helping you.”

    Why do you believe I need ‘help’? You act as if I have a mental illness. You may wish to argue that I do have a mental illness, but then I’d argue that believing in God doesn’t make one dillusional. Every person has a brain that is able to think rationally and emotionally/intuitively. The problem I see with atheists is they focus solely on their rational side and don’t use their intuitive side at all. I do not shy away from provoking my rational side into questioning my religious beliefs, hence why I read things on this site. I ask myself many of the same questions you atheists ask in regards to Christianity. For atheists, who only use their rational side, the answers they come up with lead to a rejection of Christianity because it doesn’t seem rational. However using only one side of your brain cannot give you accurate answers. It leaves you with no opportunity to ask, “what if?” You cannot think beyond what is right there in front of you. If that is what rational thinking is, then I’m quite happy to remain “dellusional.” Black and white worlds where all the answers are laid out in front of you and don’t give you any chance to wonder “what if” are incredibly boring. You may have the ‘facts’, but once the mystery is taken out of life, what a sad realisation you come to. You realise that you exist, simply by matter of chance, and the only purpose for life is death. What kind of motivation does that give you to live? Belief provides you with so much more than a “god dellusion”; it provides you with the will to see tomorrow.

    I have found meaning in life and a purpose to live. I’m not the one that needs help.

  33. on 28 Jun 2012 at 1:40 pm 33.alex said …

    i believe in zeus. makes tme and u morons.

  34. on 28 Jun 2012 at 2:20 pm 34.Anonymous said …

    31.Vee said …

    “I have found meaning in life and a purpose to live.”

    God gives your life meaning? You mean an all-powerful being, who either rewards people with heaven or punishes them in Hell, gives you meaning. So if his power coerces you to follow his rules, you get a reward, and if you choose not to follow you get crushed – that gives you meaning?

    Note that “God’s rules” in the Bible tell women to be silent, tell you to kill homosexuals and encourage you to enslave people. By following these rules, you gain meaning?

    If God is real, his rewards and punishments in the Bible force you to do what he says. You have no choice, unless you wish to burn in torment for eternity. That is not meaning – it is the worst kind of dictatorship and you are a minion to a monster.

    13.Vee said …

    “We can only ask for our needs, not our wants. If we need financial assistance and we ask for it, we will receive it.”

    How do you explain the thousands of Christian children and adults who will needlessly die today of things like starvation, thirst, cancer, diseases, etc. which result from poverty or lack of financial assistance?

  35. on 28 Jun 2012 at 4:06 pm 35.Prime said …

    I’d bet that one of these days, believing in the Christian God will be considered a mental illness. We’re just ahead of the curve in talking to you like that, Vee.

  36. on 28 Jun 2012 at 5:17 pm 36.Lou(DFW) said …

    31.Vee said …

    “You may wish to argue that I do have a mental illness, but then I’d argue that believing in God doesn’t make one dillusional [sic].”

    You can deny it until you’re blue in the face or until you provide evidence for your imaginary god, but belief in something for which there is no evidence is, by definition, a delusion. It’s not necessarily a psychiatric condition, but it can be.

  37. on 28 Jun 2012 at 6:04 pm 37.Lou(DFW) said …

    31.Vee said …

    “I have found meaning in life and a purpose to live. I’m not the one that needs help.”

    So did the 9/11 hijackers. Finding a meaning for your life is not necessarily a good thing.

    The meaning of life can be to find the meaning of life. But that doesn’t mean there is a meaning to life or that you’ll find it. Don’t stop at a dead-end by believing in ancient myths that are no different than all the other ancient myths that people one believed. Unless you do, you’re nothing but a hold-over of ignorant people from hundreds and thousands of years ago.

  38. on 28 Jun 2012 at 8:21 pm 38.Severin said …

    33 Anonymous
    “… it is the worst kind of dictatorship and you are a minion to a monster.”

    If I had to chose, I would avoid dictatorship by doing things my way, instead to be constantly sick of thinking about decisions to make: whether to please god by following his sick rules, or to follow my conscience.
    THAT is what I was talking about! Two people love each other, keep going their relationship, and permanently suffer of fear they will insult god and go to hell!
    If theists are afraid of afterlife, they always forget that living in hell is STILL LIVING, maybe something less comfortable than in the heavens, bu with clear conscience!
    And probably less boring!
    If I believed in paradise and hell, I would make my choice: I would chose hell.

    I am happy I know, when I die, I will be dead for ever and ever.
    If there is a hell, fine! If the monster exists, and is SO evil that would be able to put me there ONLY because I didn’t believe in him although I lived a very honest life (and he never gave me a hint about himself!) , so be it!

  39. on 28 Jun 2012 at 8:36 pm 39.Severin said …

    Vee,
    What is SO bad in the hell? Permanent suffering?

    How many people on this earth suffer much worse the in any hell, but they still live! Some of them are even cheerful from time to time. Some of them even smile occasionally.

    Fuck the hell and live your life according to YOUR conscience (except you are a pathological case, which I doubt).

    See here what people are doing in the name of Christianity and its god:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5f_1309711220

    Nothing new, I would say; we watched it (indirectly) through centuries.
    Is THAT something you want to follow?

    I would rather die together with those burnt people!

  40. on 28 Jun 2012 at 11:21 pm 40.alex said …

    “Nothing new, I would say; we watched it (indirectly) through centuries.
    Is THAT something you want to follow?”

    ..start the rationalizing. you’re not like those people. you like gays. abortion is ‘aight. birth-control is cool, yada, yada. but you like the afterlife and just can’t let it go. freakin sissy.

  41. on 28 Jun 2012 at 11:55 pm 41.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Jeepers Vee. You think that simply because I don’t believe in a magical man in the sky my life has no purpose? I find that equally insulting as I do ridiculous.

    Good ol’ religion DELUDES you into thinking that there is something to look forward to after life, and you have apparently fallen for that premise. The obsession with eternal life in heaven after your death on earth is THE VERY REASON why all of you people do what you do in the name of religion. All of the Abrahamic religions are obsessed with cheating death (along with sex, power and other fantastic things)! Can’t you see this?

    And while you state that you “provoke your rational side into questioning my religious beliefs,” you most certainly do not answer those questions rationally. Because if you would, you would free yourself from your indoctrination and delusion.

  42. on 28 Jun 2012 at 11:58 pm 42.Vee said …

    33.Anonymous
    “God gives your life meaning? You mean an all-powerful being, who either rewards people with heaven or punishes them in Hell, gives you meaning. So if his power coerces you to follow his rules, you get a reward, and if you choose not to follow you get crushed – that gives you meaning? ”
    I’ll clarify what I meant by God giving my life meaning. Atheists believe we’re here by matter of chance and we virtually have no purpose but to die. I believe we’re here because we were created by God and we were meant to be here. I’m still trying to understand why God created the universe and everything in it, but just knowing that there is some kind of purpose for my life is enough to give my life meaning.
    I’m not like many other Christians. I support gay marriages, I’m a pacifist, I’m a feminist, and I would never kill a person intentionally. I do not attend church and I don’t actually follow/support the big Christian powers such as the Pope and his church. I don’t believe God will put me in “torment for eternity” because I don’t kill homosexuals or enslave people. There are some parts of the bible I’m skeptical about, such as the parts that advocate those things. God wants to see his people sharing love with one another.
    Severin said …
    “See here what people are doing in the name of Christianity and its god:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5f_1309711220”
    Any ‘Christians’ who do horrible things such as this do not know God and I would not consider them Christians. I would also rather die with those people.
    “How do you explain the thousands of Christian children and adults who will needlessly die today of things like starvation, thirst, cancer, diseases, etc. which result from poverty or lack of financial assistance?”
    I cannot explain this. I can only explain what happens in my life because it’s my life. I don’t know why they continue to suffer. Similarly to my Christian friend who is always getting himself into debt; I don’t know why this happens, because I’m not him. All I know is that whenever I need something, God gives me what I need. Thank you for posing this question, I’ll look into it more and find an answer.
    Lou(DFW) said …
    “You can deny it until you’re blue in the face or until you provide evidence for your imaginary god, but belief in something for which there is no evidence is, by definition, a delusion. It’s not necessarily a psychiatric condition, but it can be.”
    Did I not explain my evidence clear enough? I have found evidence which I could not ignore. It may or may not be classified as evidence to you, but it is evidence to me and therefore my belief in God is not a delusion as, in my own mind, I have found the evidence for God’s existence.
    Severin said …
    “Vee,
    What is SO bad in the hell? Permanent suffering? How many people on this earth suffer much worse the in any hell”
    Can I just ask, how do you know the extent of the torment and suffering in hell? You cannot compare the suffering on earth to the suffering in hell, or the luxuries on earth to the paradise in heaven. On earth we are human. In heaven and hell all we have are our souls. I imagine the suffering in hell to not by physical, but spiritual. I think hell is so bad because it’s a destination of finalized separation from God. In hell, God has disowned you. I remember when I once gave up on God and decided I’d try living a life without him. It was a pretty bad time in my life and I felt dead on the inside. After I had returned to God I realised that what I had felt was my disconnection from God. I imagine this to be just a snippet of what people in hell must feel like.

  43. on 29 Jun 2012 at 12:14 am 43.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Vee, you are clearly an idiot. Who made you the authority on what all atheists believe???

    God created the universe and everything in it? You seriously believe that? So what does it mean when god creates light, separates light from darkness and day from night on the third day, but doesn’t create the sun and the stars until the fourth day? (Straight from Genesis).

    And what about homosexuals??? God created homosexuals for the sole purpose of hating them and condemning them?

    And what about deadly diseases that evolve over time to resist medicine and antibiotics?

    And what about folks’ choice to believe in god or not to believe in god? Why would god create that ability (oh yeah, “free will” right)?

    And what about Jesus? Why would god create himself for the sole purpose of sacrificing himself TO himself? WTF?

  44. on 29 Jun 2012 at 12:23 am 44.Vee said …

    Severin said …
    “I lived a very honest life (and he never gave me a hint about himself!) , so be it!”

    I’d like to point out that you won’t find God in a textbook. You won’t find God in a formula. You can’t catch out God using scientific methods. He will never give a “hint about himself” through science. You have a better chance of finding God through feeling. Although seeing as you are against using that half of your brain for problem solving, I can see why you have not found God. God’s existence cannot be proven scientifically. You may be able to prove things in the Bible as false using scientific means, but you can never rule out the possible existence of God. Even if one day scientists are able to create a universe in a test tube in the same why our universe was created, where did those universe-creating particles come from? The hole keeps getting dug deeper and deeper.

  45. on 29 Jun 2012 at 1:24 am 45.alex said …

    “I’d like to point out that you won’t find God in a textbook.”

    so in other words, you get to make up whatever definition you want of god?

    “but you can never rule out the possible existence of God”

    i’ve admitted as much that a god could exist, but i’ve also admitted that this god doesn’t give two shits about me or anybody else.

    “where did those universe-creating particles come from?”

    who the fuck knows? you keep insisting your god did it. prove it them. otherwise, you’re full of shit.

    “The hole keeps getting dug deeper and deeper.”

    you’re getting to closer to death, just like me. get over it, lights out.

  46. on 29 Jun 2012 at 2:17 am 46.Lou(DFW) said …

    41.Vee said …

    “I’ll clarify what I meant by God giving my life meaning.”

    “I believe we’re here because we were created by God and we were meant to be here. I’m still trying to understand why God created the universe and everything in it, but just knowing that there is some kind of purpose for my life is enough to give my life meaning.”

    Maybe I missed it – what is the purpose of your life, and how does the belief that god created the universe give your life meaning? As I understand your belief, the only possible reason for life on earth is to pass a test to get into heaven. Why don’t we all simply begin life in heaven? Or is it god’s country club for which we must meet certain standards before we are accepted?

  47. on 29 Jun 2012 at 2:39 am 47.Lou(DFW) said …

    43.Vee said …

    “Even if one day scientists are able to create a universe in a test tube in the same why our universe was created, where did those universe-creating particles come from? The hole keeps getting dug deeper and deeper.”

    Thankfully, early scientists didn’t have your attitude.

  48. on 29 Jun 2012 at 2:54 am 48.Prime said …

    41.Vee said …

    “I cannot explain this. I can only explain what happens in my life because it’s my life.”

    Care to explain why it is that your life included being born into a (presumably) Western democracy at a time when there was general plenty and during which technological marvels exist that free your life from the slavery of fear and effort that it is to live as a wild animal, as humanity did for over 90% (99% if we go to genus Homo) that it’s been on the planet?

    Care to explain why you’re not a Muslim, born to Muslim parents in Pakistan, making the same arguments for Allah and the Qur’an?

    Care to explain why you have the parents that you do, instead of other ones?

    Care to explain where your thoughts arise from and what you’re thinking before you’re aware that you’re thinking it, including the emotional needs your conception of God is fulfilling for you?

    The thing is, you can’t explain *any* of that, so go ahead and cut the bullshit “I can only explain what happens in my life because it’s my life.”

    You’re young. Take some time to figure some stuff out. Study broadly, open your eyes and look around, ask questions, dig deeply, and stop being sure you have answers to questions you don’t have answers to. For the time being, your youth allows you the luxury of an excuse for being this idiotic. Don’t carry it into adulthood.

  49. on 29 Jun 2012 at 5:50 am 49.Severin said …

    41 Vee
    “See here what people are doing in the name of Christianity and its god:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5f_1309711220”
    Any ‘Christians’ who do horrible things such as this do not know God and I would not consider them Christians. I would also rather die with those people.”

    That is all you have to say? You would not consider them Christians?

    Don’t you see that BELIEVING IN GOD INDUCED such “horrible things” in them?
    They did it BECAUSE they were Christians (in other cases: Muslims, Hinduists, …)!
    If they were not religious, some individuals from the video would MAYBE kill someone else for some other (typical human) reason, such as revenge, interest/money, jealousy, … and maybe not, but their FAITH gave them motives and “strength” to turn to compact horde who hunted and burned other human beings.

    Things that have capacity to induce such “horrible things” in human beings are horrible by default, and should necessarily be not only avoided, but fought.

    Religions and nationalism (which is not our topic, but think of Hitler, who, besides being a nationalist, was a declared Christian who exterminated Jews in name of god) have capacity to induce ADDITIONAL motives for brutal massive killings.

    How could I take part in something like that by believing in monster god in which name is all that done?
    I can’t.

  50. on 29 Jun 2012 at 10:48 am 50.Lou(DFW) said …

    41.Vee said …

    “Did I not explain my evidence clear enough?”

    Did I not clearly explain it to you?

    Anecdotal evidence is not acceptable evidence for anyone but you and for anyone else who is deluded. Don’t you understand that? Anecdotal evidence is not independently verifiable or testable. And your “evidence” exists only in your “own mind.” So, in effect, god exists only in your mind – HE IS IMAGINARY. If that’s good enough for you, then good for you. But don’t go out in public to proclaim your belief in an imaginary god and then whine about it when you are attacked for not being able to support your DELUSION.

    “It may or may not be classified as evidence to you, but it is evidence to me and therefore my belief in God is not a delusion as, in my own mind, I have found the evidence for God’s existence.”

    That summarizes your delusion extremely well! We could place your answer in the dictionary under deluded. This is hilarious stuff!

  51. on 29 Jun 2012 at 12:28 pm 51.Severin said …

    Vee
    I said in my last post: How could I take part in something like that by believing in monster god in which name is all that done?

    Additionally I can say (for the 100th time) that, even if I believed such a god existed, I would hate him and tried to fight him for price of my life.
    I can not imagine anybody as mighty as god tolerating such horror.
    Tolerance of THAT, if you know he had power to stop it, makes him direct accomplice of that horror. Non acting is sometimes worse than acting.

    So, why is it important for you whether or not god exists, if he is such a monster.
    I don’t believe there is a god, and if there is one, it can not be anything like Bible god (or Allah, or …).
    Bible god should be hanged on his balls, if he existed.

  52. on 29 Jun 2012 at 12:43 pm 52.boz said …

    can’t fool me… it’s turtles all the way down!

  53. on 29 Jun 2012 at 1:43 pm 53.Biff said …

    “Egypt’s Constitution should be based on the Koran and Sharia law, presidential candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood Islamist movement Mohamed Morsi said.”

    Yes, Islam is an evil oppressive belief system. The Bible predicted this evil force would be here to torment us all the way back with Abraham. No surprise.

    But how is that worse than the US regime leader who has torn up the Constitution and made himself a dictator? A dictator who supports Islam and the Brotherhood?

  54. on 29 Jun 2012 at 2:13 pm 54.alex said …

    biff,ur a clown,a liar,and an idiot.
    back it up moron,otherwise plonk!

  55. on 29 Jun 2012 at 3:23 pm 55.Lou(DFW) said …

    52.Boffer said …

    “Yes, Islam is an evil oppressive belief system. The Bible predicted this evil force would be here to torment us all the way back with Abraham. No surprise.”

    Did it predict that you would be born an idiot, here to torment us with your stupid comments?

    “But how is that worse than the US regime leader who has torn up the Constitution and made himself a dictator? A dictator who supports Islam and the Brotherhood?”

    I have a great idea – why don’t you move to Egypt for a year and then get back to us on how that went as opposed to living in the US? I’ll buy a one-way, first-class ticket for you.

  56. on 29 Jun 2012 at 3:27 pm 56.Lou(DFW) said …

    52.Boffer said …

    “But how is that worse than the US regime leader who has torn up the Constitution and made himself a dictator?”

    Actually, he abides by the same Constitution as you, and his plan was just ruled to be Constitutional. So why don’t you STFU here, and instead complain to Justice Roberts about your dissatisfaction with Obama, because your juvenile whining about it here has nothing to do with your delusional belief in an imaginary god.

  57. on 29 Jun 2012 at 4:11 pm 57.Lou said …

    “But how is that worse than the US regime leader who has torn up the Constitution and made himself a dictator?”

    Its not which is why this administration wanted him in power. This POTUS overrides law implemented by duly elected previous congresses and simply declares an Executive mandate to override what he believes to be right. Checks and balances are too much of a hassle. This precedent will make it easier for Romney to trash Obamacare.

    We need Romney so we can find out what this administration hid in Fast and Furious, TORT reform, correctly tweak the healthcare system and keep America from going bankrupt.

  58. on 29 Jun 2012 at 4:30 pm 58.Lou(DFW) said …

    56.Louser said …

    “Its not which is why this administration wanted him in power.”

    WTF?

    I hope you live in the eastern time zone where it’s at least noon, and not too early for you to start drinking, because that should explain your inability to compose a coherent sentence – either that or you’re just plain stupid.

    Perhaps you meant:

    “It’s not, which is why this administration wanted him in power.”

    If that’s what you meant, then please provide your evidence for that claim. Otherwise, it’s just another example of your delusional way of thinking – like your claim of god without ANY evidence.

    Oh yea, and therefore god exists because you don’t like Obama – who the hell cares?!

  59. on 29 Jun 2012 at 8:14 pm 59.Biff said …

    “This precedent will make it easier for Romney to trash Obamacare.”

    Remember how this POTUS was to be the most transparent in history? I guess he forgot to clean the glass.

    I have never see one so friendly to Muslims; a group who wants all infidels dead. I have never seen one who allows black hate groups to put out contacts on the life of a Mexican-American either.

    I wonder if he called the family of Brian Terry to express condolences and to explain why F&F documents have been hidden?

    2012 will be the year America crumbles if he is reelected or makes a big comeback if we vote out O’Blameo.

  60. on 29 Jun 2012 at 8:54 pm 60.Lou(DFW) said …

    58.Boffer said …

    “Remember how this POTUS was to be the most transparent in history? I guess he forgot to clean the glass.”

    And I “guess” that no matter how many times it’s explained to you, you can’t seem to get it through your thick head that this bog “explores God and religion in our world today.”

    It’s not for morons like you to use as your platform to publicly whine about whatever other delusions you have about non-theological issues. What part of that don’t you understand?

    “2012 will be the year America crumbles if he is reelected or makes a big comeback if we vote out O’Blameo.”

    Oh why don’t you just STFU about Obama? You probably said the same thing about him when he was elected. You’re no worse-off now because of anything Obama did after he was elected. I “guess” you’re not happy with a POTUS unless he claims to talk to god or wears magic underwear.

  61. on 29 Jun 2012 at 8:57 pm 61.Lou(DFW) said …

    58.Boffer said …

    “I have never see one so friendly to Muslims; a group who wants all infidels dead.”

    Then your head must have been up your ass during the Bush administrations.

  62. on 29 Jun 2012 at 10:06 pm 62.Prime said …

    Gotta love the F&F thing… it takes about 10 minutes of “I wonder what really happened and how it’s being spun” to figure out that the media is warping this situation in just about every direction it can.

    Meanwhile… prayers for rain in Colorado… how’s that going for you studs? Is your Obama whining a distraction from the fact that one of the biggest-ever calls-to-prayer just resulted in… not getting what people prayed for… again… as any reasonable person who is over eight years old could have predicted would happen.

  63. on 29 Jun 2012 at 11:24 pm 63.Lou said …

    “I wonder if he called the family of Brian Terry to express condolences and to explain why F&F documents have been hidden?”

    No, he never did but Holder did after being embarrassed by congress after admitting he had not. He was busy calling the 30 yr old college student fighting for more feebies for college students. Got to keep the priorities right.

    F&F has gone from “we know nothing” to “we did know about it” to “we call executive privilege”. Obviously there is more scandals involved or they would provide everything asked and clear their name. Even an atheist could figure that out.

  64. on 30 Jun 2012 at 1:43 am 64.Prime said …

    Since you rejects are going to just keep posting about F&F like it has anything, anything at all, to do with this blog, we might as well put up a well-written dissenting portrayal of the situation, hadn’t we?
    http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

  65. on 30 Jun 2012 at 12:32 pm 65.Lou(DFW) said …

    62.Louser said …

    “Even an atheist could figure that out.”

    But a moron like you can’t understand the purpose of this blog, despite it being explained to you over and over.

    Theists like you can’t “figure that out.”

  66. on 30 Jun 2012 at 1:21 pm 66.Lou(DFW) said …

    63.Prime said …

    “Since you rejects are going to just keep posting about F&F like it has anything, anything at all, to do with this blog…”

    When they had their all stupid theological claims debunked over and over, then it’s time for them to move on to politics, or morals, or whatever, but the discussion of their theology is beating a dead horse.

  67. on 30 Jun 2012 at 4:20 pm 67.A said …

    “we might as well put up a well-written dissenting portrayal of the situation, hadn’t we?”

    That would be nice Prime. Do you have one? Katherin Eban’s piece has already been discredited. Can you get President Barack Hussein Obama do release the documents to allow congress to do their job? That would clear things right up! Pretend this is Valarie Plame all over again except there is a dead agent..

  68. on 30 Jun 2012 at 4:47 pm 68.alex said …

    67.A said …

    yep and all that….

    that dang POTUS, he just won’t prove his citizenship, won’t he? also, his muslimness just scares the hell out of me. those guys are so crazy.

    we have to vote bahrack ohbahma out of office, fer shure. go with mistah romney, a nice, sensible mormon. family values and real practical viewpoints. he’ll drive the homos back to their closets where they belong. also, mistah romney won’t put up with all those muslim fanatics. bomb them all to hell, i say. that’s where they beelong.

  69. on 30 Jun 2012 at 5:21 pm 69.Lou(DFW) said …

    67.ASStrophysicist said …

    “Katherin Eban’s piece has already been discredited.”

    So has your religion and imaginary god, but that doesn’t make any difference to you, so neither does that.

    Oh, and how’s the SCOTUS ruling against Obama’s plan going for you?

  70. on 30 Jun 2012 at 5:48 pm 70.Severin said …

    32 Vee
    “The problem I see with atheists is they focus solely on their rational side and don’t use their intuitive side at all.”

    Why are you debating with atheists?
    Why don’t you try Muslims, they, like you, surely use their intuitive side.

    But, in the first place, WHY, the hell, do you give a damn what an atheist, or all atheists, think, say, believe, use,…

    I never ever came to a theist blog to teach them what to think, say, believe, use, …

    WHAT IS YOUR REASON, or your motivation, to patronize atheists?

  71. on 30 Jun 2012 at 6:03 pm 71.Severin said …

    Vee,

    I mean, fine, excellent, wonderful, nice, extraordinary, …, that you believe in god. All atheists posting here have learned it. They all accepted it as a fact (none of them accepted believing in gods).

    What ELSE would you want from atheists?
    What would you like atheists from this blog to do for you?

    Tell us, please. We can’t just guess it from beans.

  72. on 30 Jun 2012 at 6:12 pm 72.Severin said …

    32 Vee,
    “I ask myself many of the same questions you atheists ask in regards to Christianity.”

    I wonder how is it possible that you never noticed that atheist pose the same questions in regards to EVERY religion (+ in regards to believing in Santa, leprechauns, mermaids, ghosts, …).
    Atheists treat Christianity ABSOLUTELY the same way they treat the a.m., and all other religions and beliefs.

    Trust me, if you were a Muslim, I would pose you the same questions I already pose.

    WHY don’t you try Muslims, maybe they will give you answers atheist can’t?!

  73. on 30 Jun 2012 at 6:18 pm 73.Severin said …

    Vee
    “I have found meaning in life and a purpose to live.”

    Good for you! I am happy for you!

    I have found MY meaning in life some 55 years ago, when I was 15.

    Aren’t you happy for me?

  74. on 30 Jun 2012 at 6:26 pm 74.Severin said …

    53 Biff
    “Yes, Islam is an evil oppressive belief system.”

    Yes, it is.
    Same as Christianity was until recently (and is trying to become it again by all possible means).

    It is ONLY the question of timing.

  75. on 30 Jun 2012 at 6:37 pm 75.Severin said …

    32 Vee
    “I ask myself many of the same questions you atheists ask in regards to Christianity.”

    I admit I misunderstood your question, sorry.
    My rashness and my poor knowledge of English!

    However, if you ask yourself the same questions atheists ask in regards to (all religions and beliefs), are you trying to find not only the answers you expect, but also some answers that does not fit in your “standard” way of thinking?

    Learn and use your own mind.

    If you have incomplete education, that is not an obstacle for right reasoning.

  76. on 30 Jun 2012 at 8:01 pm 76.Prime said …

    As I just spent the better part of half an hour trying to figure out who discredited Eban’s piece and haven’t come up with anything except for one confusing statement and a WHOLE BUNCH of clearly propagandist right-wing articles about it, I’m putting the onus on you to establish that her piece was discredited. I don’t think it really has been.

  77. on 01 Jul 2012 at 1:45 pm 77.Vee said …

    Wow I cannot be bothered replying to every single comment, I’d be here for days.

    Severin said…
    “WHAT IS YOUR REASON, or your motivation, to patronize atheists?”

    I didn’t have the intention to come across as being patronizing. I posted my first comment because I remembered reading the question “where is the evidence for your imaginary god” so many times previously. I wanted to post my evidence to see the reaction I’d get. The comments that followed made me realise that atheists don’t believe anything unless it is proven and the evidence is rational and laid in front of them. Many atheists will never be able to believe in god because of the way they think. It just frustrated me, I guess. It’s difficult for a sentimental person to explain to rational atheists the reasons for their faith in god. My belief appears to you nothing more than a delusion. As frustrating and insulting it is to be thought of as having a mental illness for believing in god, I’ve realised you’ll never see it as anything but a delusion because of the way you and other atheists think.

    Severin said …
    “Learn and use your own mind.”

    Yesterday actually, I went to the library and borrowed John T.O. Kirk’s ‘Science and Certainty’ . On the road to attempting to understand how the universe came into existence, I stumbled across a problem. I don’t have the intellectual level to understand how the universe came into existence. That’s a problem. How can I accept that explanation over the explanation in the bible? I understand the bible explanation – it makes sense to me. The same problem occurred again when I tried to learn about the conscious mind being linked to the brain. I have tried learning, and I have used my own mind. In my own mind, I don’t believe what the book was saying because I could not comprehend it. Hence, the way you see my beliefs is the way I see yours: you don’t understand mine, and I do not understand yours. I know this concept doesn’t cover all questions. However, for questions such as “if god is love, then why is there so much suffering in the world?” I can actually answer that as opposed to you, as I’m assuming you’d say “it’s simple – there is no god.” I may not have thought of the answer myself. I may have heard bits and pieces from other sources. But it is MY understanding. It is an answer that I have found and that makes sense to me. How is that not using my own mind? Everyone’s beliefs are shaped by external influences, even in the most minute way.

  78. on 01 Jul 2012 at 2:40 pm 78.alex said …

    “Many atheists will never be able to believe in god because of the way they think.”

    many atheist find it hard to believe anything unless it’s convincing. tell me, how do atheists think?

    “How can I accept that explanation over the explanation in the bible? I understand the bible explanation – it makes sense to me.”

    you stone adulterers? which parts of the bible do you not accept? for things you don’t understand, what’s wrong with “i don’t know”. it’s not an either/or proposition. you don’t have to believe in evolution, but adam & eve?

    why not accept the koran? there are others too, why not consider them? oh, you’re going with the flow, strength in numbers, eh?

  79. on 01 Jul 2012 at 3:00 pm 79.Lou(DFW) said …

    77.Vee said …

    “Wow I cannot be bothered replying to every single comment, I’d be here for days.”

    But you can bother us by posting comment after comment about your god delusion.

    “The comments that followed made me realise that atheists don’t believe anything unless it is proven and the evidence is rational and laid in front of them. Many atheists will never be able to believe in god because of the way they think.”

    And this is bad thing?

    “My belief appears to you nothing more than a delusion. As frustrating and insulting it is to be thought of as having a mental illness for believing in god, I’ve realised you’ll never see it as anything but a delusion because of the way you and other atheists think.”

    The you are greatly confused. I explained why delusion isn’t necessarily a mental illness, but you seem determined to prove otherwise.

    “I don’t have the intellectual level to understand how the universe came into existence.”

    Therefore, god did it? This type of thinking was shown to be wrong many times throughout history. Sadly, you and your ilk can’t seem to learn from it.

    “Hence, the way you see my beliefs is the way I see yours: you don’t understand mine, and I do not understand yours.”

    WRONG! You are obviously rationalizing your delusion. It’ not about what we “believe,” it’s about what you can demonstrate. You haven’t demonstrated one single thing about your imaginary god other than you believe he exists.

    “How is that not using my own mind?”

    Because you accept the existence of god without any evidence, and you can’t refute any of the proofs that refute the existence of god. You simply accept god ob blind faith. So, why are you here?

    “Everyone’s beliefs are shaped by external influences, even in the most minute way.”

    So what? How does that make your belief true?

  80. on 01 Jul 2012 at 5:14 pm 80.DPK said …

    “The comments that followed made me realise that atheists don’t believe anything unless it is proven and the evidence is rational and laid in front of them.”
    As opposed to what? Theists who will believe anything even if it is irrational and there is absolutely no evidence presented? And you wonder why we think you are deluded? Read what you just wrote.

    “On the road to attempting to understand how the universe came into existence, I stumbled across a problem. I don’t have the intellectual level to understand how the universe came into existence. That’s a problem. How can I accept that explanation over the explanation in the bible? I understand the bible explanation – it makes sense to me.”

    Now explain to us how this is any different from saying “I’m not smart enough (or educated enough) to understand geothermal mechanics. The idea of an angry volcano god makes more sense to me. Therefore it must be true.” Or even, “I don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand how tiny microbes, smaller than can be seen with the naked eye, can sicken or even kill a person. The idea of demonic possession causing illness makes more sense to me, therefore, I will believe that.”

    Seriously… I’m not trying to mock you. I would really like to understand why you believe that ignorance is a valid reason to make up stuff and claim that it is true. Not only that, but the idea that to accept it without any rational reason other than “It is an answer that I have found and that makes sense to me” is somehow a virtue, or a concept that others should be encouraged to emulate?
    Where do you think the world would be today if “It is an answer that I have found and that makes sense to me” was accepted as a good reason to believe something? We would still be exorcizing sick people and sacrificing virgins to the volcano gods. That is in fact, your exact mindset. Wake up.

  81. on 01 Jul 2012 at 6:21 pm 81.Lou(DFW) said …

    57.Louser said …

    “This precedent will make it easier for Romney to trash Obamacare.”

    http://tinyurl.com/86vn8jv

    http://tinyurl.com/74egsl4

  82. on 01 Jul 2012 at 6:34 pm 82.40 year Atheist said …

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-URxIE3ljYF8/T-9xs7G2UcI/AAAAAAAAAV8/WqNtvpNuOL4/s1600/mandate-tax.jpg

    I jumped the gun and passed judgment on no facts surrounding the actual SCOTUS position authored by John Roberts. It turns out that the decision strongly defends the concept of limited powers under the Commerce Clause, and turns ObamaCare into a tax, which a president can decline to collect (or so it is said).

    The key statement in the decision is this:

    “Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do. Upholding the Affordable Care Act under the Commerce Clause would give Congress the same license to regulate what people do not do. The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to ‘regulate Commerce.’”
    [italics in the original].

    Roberts defended the Tenth Amendment setting the field for future SCOTUS battles against gvernment overreach, and placed the fate of ObamaCare back into the political arena, where it possibly can be neutralized.

    Taxing what “people do not do” is as absurd and dangerous as regulating what they do not do under the Commerce Clause, but it illuminates the issue of using taxation as social engineering, possibly another subject for SCOTUS at some point.

  83. on 01 Jul 2012 at 7:27 pm 83.alex said …

    82.40 year Atheist said …

    you tryin to convince the atheists here?

    what do you think atheists here are trying to do?

  84. on 01 Jul 2012 at 8:13 pm 84.Lou(DFW) said …

    82.40 year Atheist said …

    “I jumped the gun and passed judgment on no facts surrounding the actual SCOTUS position authored by John Roberts.”

    Who cares?

  85. on 01 Jul 2012 at 8:40 pm 85.DPK said …

    What has ObamaCare have to do with “The Insanity of Islam”, or with the existence go gods?
    I mean really, why have all you theists got yer panties in such a wad? Isn’t everything unfolding exactly according to gods plan? You guys are an inegmia, to be sure.

  86. on 01 Jul 2012 at 8:52 pm 86.alex said …

    obama is a christian, no? i guess romney is the real deal with his mormish god.

    with the christian majority, obama should win? ooops, i fergit, obama is a mooslim.

  87. on 01 Jul 2012 at 9:31 pm 87.A said …

    Did you mean enigma DPK? True, I like to keep you wrapped in a riddle.

    40 Year,

    Got admit Roberts did have me perplexed, he was even an enigma to me after he changed his position. It could be he is the most brilliant man in the room. Declaring this albatross as a tax kicks it right back into the hands of congress that now only need a simple majority to overturn Obamacare. It also keeps Obama on the defensive defending this tax, the multiple trillions of spending and the other surprises in the legislation. He promised no new taxes on middle America but here they come in droves.

    It bit George H in the butt and may do the same to Obama.

    The link is quite good. Got to use it.

  88. on 01 Jul 2012 at 9:52 pm 88.Severin said …

    77 Vee
    “The comments that followed made me realise that atheists don’t believe anything unless it is proven and the evidence is rational and laid in front of them. „
    That is correct. Now when you realised that, and got my confirmation, what are your further expectations?
    To get different answers?

    „Many atheists will never be able to believe in god because of the way they think.“
    That is also correct. Not many, but probably most (if not all) atheist will never believe in god without evidences. I can add here for myself: I will IMMEDIATELY, WITHOUT ANY DELAYING, start believing in god at the moment I get first relevant evidence.
    I did not say I will like it! It depends on god I get the evidences for. But I WILL believe!

    „It just frustrated me, I guess. „
    Why? I am not frustrated by anyone’s believing in god.
    I am always extremely frustrated with organized religious groups (churches, congregations) and individual theists trying to impose their gods to everyone else. Why dont theists practice their religions at their homes, maybe also in their churches, and let other people alone? In such a case they would never be mentioned from anyone rational; no atheist would care what they do, unless they tried to interfere other people’s lives.

    „It’s difficult for a sentimental person to explain to rational atheists the reasons for their faith in god. „
    Why do you think I can’t be parallelly rational AND sentimental? As the matter of fact, I am very sentimental.
    However, I am rational enough to refuse to believe bullshits without evidences.
    If you believe in Santa, good for you, but if you don’t, would you ever try to give some explanations for your disbelief in Santa to anyone? I doubt. Why are you „better“ than me? You dp not offer any evidences for existence of something you believe in. Yo do not explain your disbelief. So why, the hell, would I act differently than you?

    „My belief appears to you nothing more than a delusion.“
    Yes, that is the case, but I consider it YOUR problem, not mine. I absolutely have no intention to offend you, as I have no intention to offend a child believing in Santa, considering it child’s problem or the problem of its parents (if the child is over 4).You would never knew my opinion about your believing in god if you didn’t come to this blog, and when you came, and said what you wanted to say, did you expect unsincere answers?

    „As frustrating and insulting it is to be thought of as having a mental illness for believing in god, I’ve realised you’ll never see it as anything but a delusion because of the way you and other atheists think.“
    Your frustration is, again, your problem. No one forces you to change your opinion, so I can’t see where your frustration might come from.
    I never mentioned a mental illness, althoug, when you mentioned it, I can say that such a lack of logical reasoning that theists constantly show, must be connected with something deeply wrong in their personalities (Mind? Psyche? I would not know).

  89. on 01 Jul 2012 at 10:13 pm 89.Severin said …

    “77 Vee
    “That’s a problem. „
    That should not be a problem and typically is not. I have many examples of people who were totally illiterate, but understood things as well as I did, and better.
    I, for example, had wonderful debates with my father in law, who could not read his name in the paper (did not know the alphabet!).
    A good example was when he told me that worms in the beans come from bean corn itself, i.e.: bean corn is, somehow, giving birth to the warm. I told him it was an insect which puts his egs in the bean corn, wihch turn to worms, and reminded him to his experiance with silkwarms, which he used to grow before: insect – egg – caterplillar (warm) – larva – insect.
    After I told him that a wee, been corn, but to bean flower, where it grows to worm as the bean grows, he said: you know, you might be right!

    It seems to me that the problem is not your incapacity to understand, but your indoctrination.
    You REFUSE to understand (I don’t think you do it consciously). You REJECT explanation that do not fit your prepared mind.

  90. on 01 Jul 2012 at 10:25 pm 90.Lou(DFW) said …

    87.ASStrophysicist said …

    “The link is quite good.”

    Actually, the link is neither “good” nor “bad.”

    “Got to use it.”

    And maybe after lots of practice using it you’ll get the hang of it.

    The image message should work extremely well for you because it appeals to the lowest common denominator – stupidity.

  91. on 01 Jul 2012 at 10:28 pm 91.Severin said …

    77 Vee
    “I understand the bible explanation – it makes sense to me.“
    Why don’t you, then, accept ANY OTHER religion, say Islam, or Hinduism, or …?
    Their explanation of existence of universe do not differ (in principle) a bit from explanations in Bible. They all say: god did it.
    How do you know Bible is right and other religious books and legends are not?
    What criteria do you use to select the right book?
    If you accept THAT (Genesis), you can easily accept ANYTHING similar, that has exactly as much sense and logic as genesis, which is NONE.

  92. on 01 Jul 2012 at 10:32 pm 92.Severin said …

    77 Veee,
    “But it is MY understanding.”

    Good for you! No one is trying to take it from you.
    My “tirades” were only trying to give you my best and honest answers, nothing more, nothing less.
    Sorry if I was too boring to you.

  93. on 01 Jul 2012 at 11:39 pm 93.DPK said …

    87.A said …
    Did you mean enigma DPK? True, I like to keep you wrapped in a riddle.

    Yes, I meant enigma, A. How very brilliant of you to figure it out. Was it hard?

    40 Year,
    Got admit Roberts did have me perplexed, he was even an enigma to me after he changed his position.

    No one cares what you “Got admit.” Do you know what would happen to you on Stan’s blog if you attempted to take the discussion completely off topic? You’d be banned already.

    Now, if you insist that ObamaCare is somehow relevant to the topic, and you are finished correcting typos and spelling errors, perhaps you can actually address the issue of why you are so concerned, since everything unfolds according to god’s plan. ObamaCare is without a doubt, according to your world view, the will of god almighty. Who the hell are you to disagree?

  94. on 02 Jul 2012 at 12:45 am 94.A said …

    “Yes, I meant enigma, A. How very brilliant of you to figure it out. Was it hard?”

    No, not at all. I know how to spell it. :) Didn’t you call Charles Manson Charlie Mansion on here?

    “Taxing what “people do not do” is as absurd and dangerous”

    40 Year,

    Not according to Obama. He has told Americans this is the right thing to do. That is why he had to lie distort and give Senators kick-backs. I think maybe atheist could be taxed for not believing in God under this legislation. Just a thought to ponder.

  95. on 02 Jul 2012 at 1:25 am 95.Prime said …

    94.Asstrophysicist said …

    “I think maybe atheist could be taxed for not believing in God under this legislation. Just a thought to ponder.”

    Yes, but we’ve seen what good “thinking” has done for you thus far, so pardon us while we call your bluff.

  96. on 02 Jul 2012 at 2:05 am 96.DPK said …

    We already are “taxed for not believing in god” seeing as how my tax dollars go to under write the tax free status of churches.
    And yes, I once misspelled “Manson”.
    Do you have an actual point? Maybe you know how to spell, but you obviously don’t know how to present a logical argument, or to stay on topic.

  97. on 02 Jul 2012 at 2:26 am 97.Lou(DFW) said …

    94.ASStrophysicist said …

    “That is why he had to lie distort and give Senators kick-backs.”

    What are “Senators kick-backs,” and to whom did he give them?

    “I think maybe atheist…”

    Which atheist?

    “…could be taxed for not believing in God under this legislation.”

    How does one go about “not believing in God under this legislation?” Is it somehow different than not believing in God under a different legislation?

    “Just a thought to ponder.”

    Nobody care what you “ponder.” We can only know what you demonstrate, and that is a profound proclivity for self-embarrassment.

  98. on 02 Jul 2012 at 2:44 am 98.Lou(DFW) said …

    87.ASStrophysicist said …

    “He promised no new taxes on middle America but here they come in droves.”

    What comes in “doves” is your off-topic, stupid comments. Not to mention your on-topic, stupid comments.

  99. on 02 Jul 2012 at 3:29 am 99.Lou(DFW) said …

    98.Lou(DFW) said …

    Correction: droves, not doves.

  100. on 02 Jul 2012 at 3:35 am 100.Boz said …

    “It turns out that the decision strongly defends the concept of limited powers under the Commerce Clause, and turns ObamaCare into a tax, which a president can decline to collect”

    40YA,

    About 26 states are doing nothing on the legislation. Knowing Robert’s history, I think you are correct on his reasoning. I don’t see Obama declining to collect every and all taxes. It takes a great deal of cash to support his spending.

  101. on 02 Jul 2012 at 3:37 am 101.Boz said …

    “What comes in “doves” is your off-topic, stupid comments.”

    When attempting to insult another blogger, it is good policy to spell your word in quotes correctly unless you really meant doves. If so then touché.

  102. on 02 Jul 2012 at 3:39 am 102.DPK said …

    Mr. Astrophysicist seems to be very upset with how god is running the world. Oh he, of little faith.

  103. on 02 Jul 2012 at 6:38 am 103.Severin said …

    People, this is not the blog about Obama and spelling!
    Turn to other blogs, please.

  104. on 02 Jul 2012 at 12:15 pm 104.Lou(DFW) said …

    101.Bozo said …

    “When attempting to insult another blogger, it is good policy to spell your word in quotes correctly unless you really meant doves.”

    Really? That’s as good as you can do? Point out a typo AFTER I corrected it? Moron.

  105. on 02 Jul 2012 at 12:28 pm 105.Lou(DFW) said …

    102.DPK said …

    “Mr. Astrophysicist seems to be very upset with how god is running the world. Oh he, of little faith.”

    Exactly. Theists like him get an xtian in the White House, but for some “unknown” reason, now they want a magic-underwear-wearing Mormon “businessman.” It just goes to show you how schitzo these theists really are.

    And they all KNEW that Roberts would vote against Romney, er Obamacare. Now they’re trying to rationalize his decision that they neither wanted nor expected – but that’s what theists are all about – rationalization.

  106. on 02 Jul 2012 at 8:51 pm 106.Boz said …

    “Really? That’s as good as you can do?”

    Yes, I enjoyed that immensely especially one as smug as you. That would be OK, if you had a reason to be smug.

    You have a thing for Doves? Would you be a Prince fan?

  107. on 02 Jul 2012 at 8:54 pm 107.Boz said …

    “Exactly. Theists like him get an xtian in the White House”

    This will be good. Name the last president who was not a xtian Lou (DFW).

  108. on 02 Jul 2012 at 9:07 pm 108.Lou(DFW) said …

    106.Boz said …

    “Really? That’s as good as you can do?”

    “Yes”

    I thought as much.

  109. on 02 Jul 2012 at 9:11 pm 109.Lou(DFW) said …

    107.Bozo said …

    “This will be good. Name the last president who was not a xtian Lou (DFW).”

    Is this a trick question? There was NEVER a president who was a “xtian Lou (DFW).”

    Do you have a point?

  110. on 02 Jul 2012 at 9:49 pm 110.Boz said …

    “Do you have a point?”

    Yes I thought you might not get it. Here is your latest quote:

    “There was NEVER a president who was a “xtian Lou (DFW).”

    “Theists like him get an xtian in the White House”

    Still doesn’t register, huh? All presidents have been homosapiens and they all have been theist of some sort.

    You just are not very bright.

  111. on 02 Jul 2012 at 9:50 pm 111.Boz said …

    Oh, before I forget. Sadly, it was not a trick question and you still blew it.

    Love ya man, you are great fun.

  112. on 02 Jul 2012 at 10:13 pm 112.alex said …

    “Oh, before I forget. Sadly, it was not a trick question and you still blew it.”

    wow, finally, your god evidence! NOT!

  113. on 02 Jul 2012 at 10:14 pm 113.alex said …

    “You just are not very bright.”

    i’m the dummest one in here, but i can smell bullshit.
    it’s spelt g-a-w-d.

  114. on 02 Jul 2012 at 10:22 pm 114.Lou(DFW) said …

    110.Boz said …

    “Still doesn’t register, huh? All presidents have been homosapiens and they all have been theist of some sort.

    You just are not very bright.”

    Says the guy who can’t compose a coherent sentence.

  115. on 03 Jul 2012 at 12:51 am 115.A said …

    110 Boz

    ha ha Good one!

    I see DFW/alex’s issue clearly. He is a hot head and he lets his typing flow before he puts together a total and comprehensive response. Then reflect on his considerable handicap. He lacks basic skills in scientific methodology and logic skills necessary in the areas of metaphysics, epistemology and first principles. It frustrates him and he strikes out in anger as he cries out for answers he cannot begin to comprehend.

  116. on 03 Jul 2012 at 1:23 am 116.alex said …

    “He is a hot head and he lets his typing flow before he puts together a total and comprehensive response.”

    let me see, this is coming from an idiot, fluffing his suspect, dual identity.

    you’re a moron that believes in a god, preoccupied with the smell of burning flesh and foreskins? let us both stand before a group of non-partial, non-religious aborigines and let us both tell our stories. who will be the bozo?

    i lack scientific methodology? i refuse your creationism and you’re talking science? i acknowledge that anything is possible, but you cling to your personal, plagiarized god?

    even if i am all that you say, how does that help you with your god evidence?

  117. on 03 Jul 2012 at 1:33 am 117.Lou(DFW) said …

    115.ASStrophysicist said …

    “He lacks basic skills in scientific methodology and logic skills necessary in the areas of metaphysics, epistemology and first principles.”

    The problem for you theists is that, despite possessing any skills of any from of those areas, you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god. So, your accusation, as usual, is irrelevant to your claim of god.

    “It frustrates him and he strikes out in anger as he cries out for answers he cannot begin to comprehend.”

    Really? Prove it. Provide said answers. Unless you can, that makes you a liar.

    Oh yea, there’s also that answer that you NEVER provided – where did I claim that man is stupid? You never answered that. Why not? Because you are a liar, as you continuously demonstrate here. It’s the only way you can defend your comments here, and your belief in an imaginary god.

  118. on 03 Jul 2012 at 1:35 am 118.Lou(DFW) said …

    116.alex said …

    “even if i am all that you say, how does that help you with your god evidence?”

    It doesn’t. It never will. He doesn’t have any evidence. He only has a delusion and lies to support it.

  119. on 03 Jul 2012 at 2:36 am 119.Boz said …

    Thank you A.

    Lou’s need to constantly embarrass himself is remarkable. I couldn’t resist.

  120. on 04 Jul 2012 at 12:22 am 120.40 year Atheist said …

    In 1853, George Boole published his treatise, ”An Investigation of the Laws of Thought”, and gave the world “Boolean Algebra”, the mathematics of logic that ultimately made digital electronics and digital computing possible. To me, the most remarkable aspect of Boole’s work is his ability to resolve rational processes into simple equation form, even into tables for determining propositional truths.

    His algebra varies only slightly from classical (numeric) algebra. It is necessary to envision sets, their intersection or non- intersection, rather than multiplication or division. For example, xy is the set that contains both x’s and y’s; this might not include all x’s or all y’s… but it could.

    While there are other considerations, that one principle leads off to a remarkable conclusion. Here’s how it works:

    If two entities are equal sets (identical), where y = x, then,
    xy = x. (The intersection of the sets x and y are identical to the set x.)

    This is the Principle of Identity.

    And if y = x, then,

    xx = x,

    or
    x2 = x.

    next,

    0 = x – x2,
    0 = x ( 1 – x).

    The sole solutions are x = 1 and 0, where 1 is a full set, and 0 is an empty or null set. Also, (1 – x) is the contrary set to x, where x is not a universal set.

    This equation demonstrates several important things.

    First, it represents the conjunction of both x and “not x”, making it a universal description. For example it could mean “truth” and “not truth”, covering the entire universe of possible validities. So it is a “universal” equation.

    Second, it has only two solutions, 0 and 1. So in the case of “truth” and “not truth”, there is no intermediate value, meaning that only “true” and “not true” exist. This is the Principle of Excluded Middle. (Also called the Law of Duality, the principle of dichotomy in analytical thought.)

    Third, it can be seen that x cannot be both 0 and 1 at the same time. This is the Principle of Non-Contradiction.

    From just one equation, Boole demonstrates mathematically the axioms that underlie all rational thought.

    Further, in order to demonstrate that dichotomy is the limit of human comprehension, Boole writes a trichotomy:

    x = y = z (identical sets);

    xyz = x;

    then,

    x3 = x ;

    This factors into

    x ( 1 – x )(1 + x) = 0;

    The solutions are 0, 1, and –1. To illustrate the cognitive disconnect: If x = “all men”, and (1 – x) = everything that is not “all men”, then what does (1 + x) represent? Boole points out that this is surely beyond the comprehension of human minds. So trichotomies are outside the realm of rational thought, at least in this universe, and for human faculties.

    As beautiful and remarkable as this is, it occupies only the first three chapters of Boole’s work. He goes on to analyze propositions, including if/then, and then it’s off into probability theory.

  121. on 04 Jul 2012 at 1:21 am 121.Prime said …

    Oh, cool, 40YIdiot recovered the Rule of the Excluded Middle from a logical system that’s already based upon it (Cartesian logic) and thinks he did something profound.

  122. on 04 Jul 2012 at 1:46 am 122.alex said …

    120.40 year Atheist said …

    another moron with a pseudo intellectual message. yeah, the world is about to end. yeah, for all have sinned, blah, blah. repent, yada yada. armageddon is upon us.

    get that shit outta here.

  123. on 04 Jul 2012 at 3:26 am 123.Prime said …

    The sad part is that he attempts to draw some kind of conclusion from his nonsense instead of drawing the obvious conclusion: this is nonsense.

    “x(x-1)(x+1)… we can’t make sense of (x+1)…”
    In this phrasing, x+1 means “everything with man counted twice,” i.e. “this is bullshiitake mushrooms.”

    The sadder part is that he didn’t spend even the required 11 seconds on Google (searching “three-valued logic”) to see that this “conclusion” based upon Boole has long-since been debunked as the consequence of Cartesian thinking that it is, not some profound truth of the universe or any statement that allows for any kind of leap outside of the realm of reality.

    It reveals his general ignorance, though, because even the programming language SQL takes advantage of a three-valued logical system, and sciences like quantum mechanics seem to require it. It would be interesting to find out if the reason QM and GR are simultaneously so useful and yet irreconcilable is that they’re both being approached and developed from the wrong logical system (Cartesian) and thus not being correctly formulated.

  124. on 04 Jul 2012 at 3:52 am 124.alex said …

    look, i write the way i do to differentiate.

    got a college degree and i’m a software architect. these morons think they can spew their crap and do some annotations and i’m supposed to be impressed?

    maybe their trailer trash homies might, but it doesn’t play here. i might seem a little quick on the submit button, but most of the time, i’m posting while taking a break from my programming. please excuse my grammar, usage, and punctuation.

  125. on 04 Jul 2012 at 12:02 pm 125.Lou said …

    “Boole has long-since been debunked as the consequence of Cartesian thinking”

    No Boolean Algebra has not been debunked. It actually a collection of discrete function tables. It is still applied in circuit engineering today. Stop being so stupid and misrepresenting your superior.

    40YA said “Boole points out that this is surely beyond the comprehension of human minds.”

    For those who are truly brilliant, they are humble enough to admit the truth.

  126. on 04 Jul 2012 at 3:49 pm 126.Prime said …

    125.Lou said …

    “No Boolean Algebra has not been debunked. It actually a collection of discrete function tables. It is still applied in circuit engineering today. Stop being so stupid and misrepresenting your superior.”

    Jesus Tittyfucking Christ. I didn’t say Boolean algebra has been debunked. I’m a fucking mathematician, for fuck’s sake. I know it hasn’t been debunked, and I didn’t say it has. I said his goofy quasi-philosophical ramblings about his algebraic ideas have been debunked, specifically that “man cannot comprehend a trichotomy.”

    Liar or moron?

  127. on 04 Jul 2012 at 4:33 pm 127.Lou(DFW) said …

    125.Louser said …

    “Boole has long-since been debunked as the consequence of Cartesian thinking”

    “No Boolean Algebra has not been debunked.”

    Do you actually think that simply misquoting a post IN THIS THREAD can support your lie?

    I

  128. on 04 Jul 2012 at 4:33 pm 128.Lou(DFW) said …

    126.Prime said …

    “Liar or moron?”

    Loser – liar AND moron.

  129. on 04 Jul 2012 at 6:09 pm 129.A said …

    “this “conclusion” based upon Boole has long-since been debunked as the consequence of Cartesian thinking”

    Stop bragging about being a math teacher. You have been embarrassed enough and it doesn’t lend you credibility. So Prime, as put forth by 40YA, what conclusion has been debunked?

    Lou

    Nice job cracking the whack. Lets see what quote from 40 he provides as a conclusion.

  130. on 04 Jul 2012 at 7:10 pm 130.DPK said …

    Prime… arguing with these idiots is like trying to teach geometry to a dog. It just isn’t ever going to sink in.
    It’s very much like trying to argue with a 5 year old that Superman couldn’t really have x-ray vision because, well, x-rays are harmful to people, you can’t generate them with eyeballs, and they don’t reflect, so Superman would have to be on both sides of an object at the same time in order to “see” his own x-ray beam. Logic doesn’t apply when you are talking about imaginary beings, because they are IMAGINARY. Trying to discuss it with them is no different that “discussing” what unicorns like to eat.
    Add to the fact that logic and reason doesn’t mean a thing to their thought process the fact that they have no moral compunction at all about making up lies and distorting facts to suit their needs, and, as you noted, you are playing chess with a pigeon.

  131. on 04 Jul 2012 at 9:47 pm 131.alex said …

    “Stop bragging about being a math teacher.”

    let me see, prime says he’s a mathematician. it’s believable. you clowns believe in god? a silent, impotent god that requires morons to defend itself. morons who can’t even agree on what their god says to do?

    let’s publish a standardized xtian test, just 30 questions. let’s test at least 10 of the morons here and see how they answer.

    morons, line them up and say “aye” if you want to take the test. remember, god will guide your way.

  132. on 04 Jul 2012 at 10:37 pm 132.Lou(DFW) said …

    125.Louser said …

    “For those who are truly brilliant, they are humble enough to admit the truth.”

    …that they have no evidence for their imaginary god.

  133. on 04 Jul 2012 at 10:48 pm 133.Lou(DFW) said …

    129.ASStrophysicist said …

    “Stop bragging about being a math teacher.”

    Show us where he did that.

    “You have been embarrassed enough and it doesn’t lend you credibility.”

    If you can’t, then you don’t have to worry about being embarrassed because you ARE an embarrassment.

  134. on 05 Jul 2012 at 3:02 am 134.Prime said …

    129.Asshat said:

    “So Prime, as put forth by 40YA, what conclusion has been debunked?”

    Illiterate.
    See 123 and 126, after you learn to read.

  135. on 05 Jul 2012 at 3:19 am 135.A said …

    “See 123 and 126, after you learn to read.”

    Yes, thank you much. You debunked your own made up claims. Follow this closely. Now, from the post of 40YA, what did you debunk?

    Certainly you can provide a quote?

  136. on 05 Jul 2012 at 3:44 am 136.alex said …

    “Now, from the post of 40YA, what did you debunk?”

    who cares? whywontgodhealamputees? cuz he ain’t.
    get the fuck outta here, moron.

    use a real name and try a mooslim site.

  137. on 05 Jul 2012 at 8:20 pm 137.Curmudgeon said …

    A,

    Prime debunked the claim he is a mathematician. Every time math comes up he likes to toot his horn but never delivers anything of consequence.

    I see Prime as being threatened by 40 Year. Rightly so since 40 provides solid arguments and does so in in a mature way.

  138. on 05 Jul 2012 at 8:41 pm 138.DPK said …

    “since 40 provides solid arguments and does so in in a mature way.”

    Really? When did that happen? All I ever saw was volumes of disjointed psycho-babble and a childish refusal to ever defend, discuss or back up any of his nonsensical bull. Please point out to us where he has provided a “solid argument” that Islam is not insane, because that IS what the topic was, and where his position is presented or defended in a “mature way”.
    Since you cannot do that, I guess that makes you about as full of BS as ever.
    Exactly how does a concept in Boolean Algebra disprove the contention that; “Death in the name of Allah is our goal.” is not a sign of the insanity of Islamic belief.
    Now THIS should be good. Should be, except Curmudegeon will not answer it. He will not answer it because he has not a clue as to how or why this should be true. He only thinks that 40 year idiot sounds impressive to him, so he must therefore know what he is talking about. That’s a common flaw among theists. They are easily fooled by con-men and pure bullshit. That is to be expected from a mindset that declares believing in things with no good reason or evidence is some kind of virtue to be admired.
    One day Curm and his ilk will be a footnote of lunacy in human history… “Once upon a time, people believed that magical gods controlled the universe and demanded worship and obedience of humans. Primitive people once believed than when they died, they were magically transported to an alternate reality where they would live forever in either eternal happiness or utter torment… depending entirely on whether they pick the ‘correct’ god or gods to worship.”

  139. on 05 Jul 2012 at 9:35 pm 139.A said …

    Nietzsche in “The Gay Science” declared God dead no less than 3 times. Nietzsche is dead and God continues on.

    But let us address the point as made by the error prone DPK. He claims 40YA is full of psycho-babble. He now has made a truth claim. If should be quite easy for DPK to support this claim if he even understands any of the posts made by 40YA.

    Prediction: DPK will not expose the psycho-babble because he cannot. He will make some claim about atheists lack of belief, He will then babble on how atheists have no burden of proof for anything not even their silly truth claims.

    alex will then come in with a few expletives and then Lou(Rael) will add a few pats on the back.

  140. on 05 Jul 2012 at 9:36 pm 140.alex said …

    “Prime debunked the claim he is a mathematician. Every time math comes up he likes to toot his horn but never delivers anything of consequence.”

    “I see Prime as being threatened by 40 Year. Rightly so since 40 provides solid arguments and does so in in a mature way.”

    ok, idiot, say you’re right? how da fuck does that prove your god? you’re side shit don’t mean dick. you’re moronic from any angle.

    i concede you’re a genius, einstein, even. now, your god proof? (chirp, chirp)

  141. on 05 Jul 2012 at 9:47 pm 141.alex said …

    here’s my prediction. atheists and theists will all die, period. care to refute moron?

    “alex will then come in with a few expletive”

    you’re a prophet? i bet you can predict sunrise.

    “Nietzsche is dead and God continues on.”

    yeah, the egyptian god predates yours by at least a couple of years. name one attribute of your god that wasn’t plagiarized.

  142. on 06 Jul 2012 at 1:43 am 142.Lou(DFW) said …

    138.DPK said …

    “All I ever saw was volumes of disjointed psycho-babble and a childish refusal to ever defend, discuss or back up any of his nonsensical bull.”

    http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

  143. on 06 Jul 2012 at 3:45 am 143.Lou(DFW) said …

    139.ASStrophysicist said …

    “But let us address the point as made by the error prone DPK. He claims 40YA is full of psycho-babble. He now has made a truth claim. I[t] should be quite easy for DPK to support this claim if he even understands any of the posts made by 40YA.”

    Actually, it was Crum who made the “truth-claim,” not DPK –

    137.Crum said …

    “Rightly so since 40 provides solid arguments and does so in in a mature way.”

    To which DPK replied -

    138.DPK said …

    “Really? When did that happen? All I ever saw was volumes of disjointed psycho-babble and a childish refusal to ever defend, discuss or back up any of his nonsensical bull. Please point out to us where he has provided a “solid argument” that Islam is not insane, because that IS what the topic was, and where his position is presented or defended in a “mature way.”

    So, ASS, it is YOU who is unable to support Crum’s assertion (truth-claim), and in your usual way attempt to shift the burden of proof from CRUM to DPK.

    However, there are two things that are obvious for everyone here to see – that 40YA-hole doesn’t “ever defend, discuss or back up any of his nonsensical bull” – exactly as DPK claimed.

    Second, that you are a LYING, CONTEMPTUOUS, FRAUD.

  144. on 06 Jul 2012 at 4:26 am 144.DPK said …

    The Astrophysicist said:
    “But let us address the point as made by the error prone DPK. He claims 40YA is full of psycho-babble. He now has made a truth claim. If should be quite easy for DPK to support this claim if he even understands any of the posts made by 40YA.”

    Well, since he is an Astrophysicist, and no doubt smarter than me, lets, for the sake of argument assume for the moment that he is correct. 40yr has in fact revealed some profound truth about the topic and I am simply too dim to comprehend.
    Now.. the topic at hand was:

    “Egypt’s Constitution should be based on the Koran and Sharia law, presidential candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood Islamist movement Mohamed Morsi said.
    “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students on Saturday night.
    Death in the name of Allah is our goal.
    No thinking person can read that without concluding that Morsi is insane. His religion has caused his insanity.”

    Then 40 yr offered:
    “blah blah blah, blah blah blah…. The solutions are 0, 1, and –1. To illustrate the cognitive disconnect: If x = “all men”, and (1 – x) = everything that is not “all men”, then what does (1 + x) represent? Boole points out that this is surely beyond the comprehension of human minds. So trichotomies are outside the realm of rational thought, at least in this universe, and for human faculties.”

    Now, the Astrophysicists will explain to us exactly what the fuck that has to do with anything…. anything at all… and in particular, the idea that people who want to kill other people because some imaginary being commands them to, has anything to do with Boolean algebra.

    Pay attention everyone. This should be very enlightening, and 40 year will be vindicated and acknowledged to be the true genius he is.
    Ready…. go.

  145. on 06 Jul 2012 at 12:08 pm 145.Lou said …

    A, you are good.

    “Prediction: DPK will not expose the psycho-babble.”

    Fulfilled

    “He will then babble on how atheists have no burden of proof”

    Fulfilled

    “alex will then come in with a few expletives”

    Fulfilled

    “Lou(Rael) will add a few pats on the back.”

    Fulfilled

  146. on 06 Jul 2012 at 12:38 pm 146.Anonymous said …

    145.Louser said …

    While patting ASStrophysicist on the back:

    “A, you are good.”

    137.Crum said …

    “Rightly so since 40 provides solid arguments and does so in in a mature way.”

    It’s the parade of Hor’s sock-puppets fluffing each other. It never has to be predicted

  147. on 06 Jul 2012 at 12:39 pm 147.Lou(DFW) said …

    146.Anonymous said …

    Was me, Lou(DFW)

  148. on 06 Jul 2012 at 1:16 pm 148.DPK said …

    Still waiting for a response from either Crum or Astrophysicist … as predicted.. nothing forthcoming. Lou… feel free to take a shot. Explain 40yrs concept to us and how it relates to the topic at hand… or any relevant topic really. If you cannot.. then it is babble. This is your chance to change the world. Otherwise, you are, as usual, just a fart in the wind… unpleasant, but of no real consequence.

  149. on 06 Jul 2012 at 6:41 pm 149.DPK said …

    Take note, readers, of what happens when you ask theists to actually back up their claims… crickets chirping.

  150. on 06 Jul 2012 at 8:40 pm 150.A said …

    145 Lou,

    Sometimes I feel like Nostradamus however my predictions only come from observation of the three stooges.

    (sigh)

  151. on 06 Jul 2012 at 9:27 pm 151.alex said …

    “…observation of the three stooges.”

    too bad you can’t observe the world around you and see that your god doesn’t exist. get the vision of little kids out of your head, you’ll think better.

  152. on 07 Jul 2012 at 12:59 am 152.Lou(DFW) said …

    150.ASStrophysicist said …

    “Sometimes I feel like Nostradamus however my predictions only come from observation of the three stooges.”

    First of all, who gives a damn what you “feel like.”

    Second, you compare yourself to the myth of Nostradamus? Really? Nostradamus’ so-called predictions were “merely vague observations retrofitted to match past events.”

    Enough said. It fits perfectly with your delusion about yourself and your god.

  153. on 07 Jul 2012 at 3:03 am 153.DPK said …

    150.A said …
    145 Lou,
    Sometimes I feel like Nostradamus however my predictions only come from observation of the three stooges.
    (sigh)

    But notice, he has still ignored the challenge presented in 144.
    What’s the problem Mr. Astrophysicist? Is your talk just empty bullshit?
    It would appear you are going to miss your chance, again, to make an actual point.
    Nostradamus indeed. I agree, your empty blabber is just like Nostradamus.

  154. on 07 Jul 2012 at 3:45 am 154.Prime said …

    153.DPK said …

    “What’s the problem Mr. Astrophysicist? Is your talk just empty bullshit?”

    One silver star for DPK. That’s exactly his problem save the detail that it’s also hate-filled (particularly for people that don’t think like he does, especially w.r.t. politics and religion).

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