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Christianity Thomas on 17 Jun 2012 12:02 am

The Delusion of Christians

In this article we find a Christian priest named Kathryn P. Clausen talking about God’s love:

God’s unconditional love doesn’t have a catch

She says:

It seems that children, especially those who are well-loved by their parents, understand God’s grace better than anybody else. God is just like mom and dad. God always is there, provides for and comforts us and will never let us down. A child does not earn or even necessarily deserve a parent’s love, but he gets it anyway. So it is with God.

Imagine how much delusion it takes to say, “God is just like mom and dad. God always is there, provides for and comforts us and will never let us down.” God is imaginary, and therefore completely silent, never active, invisible, unresponsive in every way. In other words, God is completely unlike mom and dad. God provides nothing at all, as demonstrated by the millions who die of starvation and disease.

How could anyone be this delusional? How could anyone say something this ridiculous and get away with it?

72 Responses to “The Delusion of Christians”

  1. on 17 Jun 2012 at 1:47 am 1.Newq said …

    God is just like your mom and dad if they are dead.

  2. on 17 Jun 2012 at 4:11 am 2.Prime said …

    Hitchens once said that the moment God gets credit for taking care of anything, he earns all of the blame for everything he doesn’t take care of, at least among those people with whom he supposedly has a covenant. I expect he was significantly less deluded than is this Clausen lady.

  3. on 17 Jun 2012 at 8:37 pm 3.Moss said …

    “[Mother Teresa] was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction.” C. Hitchens

  4. on 18 Jun 2012 at 4:56 am 4.DPK said …

    What is even more evidence of their delusion is that ANY christian would listen to a woman minister, or that any christian church would allow one. The bible is pretty damn clear about that:
    “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12).”

    I saw a Facebook status from a holier than thou christian today. It bears witness to the insanity represented in this article. The status said something like, “You may not be exactly where you thought you’d be right now, but rest assured you are exactly where you are SUPPOSED to be right now.” And when on to praise god’s love and his perfect plan for the world. It occurred to me that that statement would come into better focus for most people if they had painted it on a wall at Auschwitz.

  5. on 18 Jun 2012 at 7:03 am 5.Anonymous said …

    By coincidence, I’d been talking to a member of the Episcopal Church the other day and had asked what they believe in. I was told.

    Episcopalian’s don’t take the bible literally and that they don’t read it themselves. Their pastor reads from the bible and tells them what they need to know. In terms of heaven and hell, yes, there is such a place but it’s not a physical place, more some kind of afterlife.

    When asked how they knew that any of it was true, it was explained that (in this case) my friend had been to other churches but this one made them feel good.

    So, that’s it. Belief based on the warm fuzzies. What a crock of shit.

  6. on 18 Jun 2012 at 12:42 pm 6.Pryor said …

    “that statement would come into better focus for most people if they had painted it on a wall at Auschwitz.”

    Reductio ad Hitlerum

    “So, that’s it. Belief based on the warm fuzzies.”

    “Argumentum ad ignorantiam”

  7. on 18 Jun 2012 at 12:43 pm 7.Pryor said …

    “[Mother Teresa] was not a friend of the poor.”

    Stupidity

  8. on 18 Jun 2012 at 12:55 pm 8.Anonymous said …

    One thing that is consistent with Hor and the sock puppets is they always get their fallacies wrong!

    Fail and fail. As usual.

  9. on 18 Jun 2012 at 3:50 pm 9.Prime said …

    Not that it’s particularly tightly tied to the topic at hand (save that “The Delusion of Christians” is the topic at hand), I ran into this earlier.

    http://www.goddiscussion.com/97639/tiny-little-christian-cross-orbiting-the-earth-in-the-face-of-satan-can-now-be-tracked-by-satellite/

    It’s rather surprising to me the utter desperation Christians exhibit in terms of trying to find meaning in empty symbolism. The hypocrisy that it violates that “idols” commandment of theirs is yet another layer of sad comedy for the rest of us.

  10. on 21 Jun 2012 at 9:50 pm 10.gfunk said …

    Christianity tells us we are terrible and tries to sell us redemption from ourselves. Evidenced in her statement:

    “We often are reluctant to believe we are loved that much. There must be a catch somewhere, an expectation of some performance or penance or good works. ”

    I’m sorry, but the reason your congregation has that feeling in the first place is the indoctrination that we are born wicked and if you read the Bible, it’s clear that the entire “gift” of forgiveness has MANY catches, beginning with unquestioning subservience.

  11. on 22 Jun 2012 at 9:37 am 11.gex said …

    Notice also how they throw out all the bad parents FIRST then make their comparison. Let’s compare ALL the parents to God. For instance, let’s compare my girlfriend’s stepfather. He raped her repeatedly over the period of a decade. If the Christian God exists, this is what that God is like in my world.

  12. on 22 Jun 2012 at 9:42 am 12.gex said …

    If a grown ass Christian man raping a 5 year old by the tree on Christmas eve. Tell me again why I should respect anyone who worships a God that makes this possible?

  13. on 06 Jul 2012 at 5:14 am 13.gods child said …

    god doesn’t allow these things to happen to children read what you wrote.it is man that did these things not god.that’s what happens when mankind is given free will they choose to destroy children god didn’t do this.

  14. on 06 Jul 2012 at 5:32 am 14.gods child said …

    no man is not born wicked.children are innocents he would rather tie 100 men together and drop them to the depths of the sea then harm a hair on a child’s head.a child of man is made wicked by man.mankinds greed destroys our children.mankind is half good and half evil it is mans freewill that decides which half will rule

  15. on 25 Aug 2012 at 2:30 am 15.Dr. Andrew Greszczyszyn said …

    I assume your site is non biased. Because of that I will give my proof of God.

    God is defined as the intiator of the Big Bang or Cosmos.

    One only needs to meditate (think about) what was before the Big Bang???

    Some say blackness, others voids, or even nothingness.

    Each is a characteristic and as we know at least has to be some form of “consciousness” that allowed the cosmos to become formed.

    This is God. God is not a man in the sky, nor is a female in the sky. GOD or Source is beyond dualities limited by senses visualization, hearing, smelling, tasting or feeling.

    To say there is not an innate intelligence or conscious control behind the cosmos would be like saying your body does not know how to heal itself after you cut a finger, or that you could never get inspiration of who was calling you before you picked up the phone, or even that you could never have a synchronous moment, or that energy did not exist.

    God by the definition that it is a man or woman (for the smart asses) in the sky is not religious thought. We understand this when Jesus said if the kingdom of heaven was in the sky bird would preceed thee. If in the sea fish would preceeed thee. No the kingdom of heaven is within!

    The innerself or consciousness is the Source or God. This is accurate by science, religion and whatever will come after.

    Dr. Andrew Greszczyszyn D.C., PhD.

  16. on 25 Aug 2012 at 5:48 am 16.Severin said …

    15 Dr. A.C.,
    “Because of that I will give my proof of God.”

    Then you continue with: “God is defined as initiator of the Big Bang or Cosmos.”
    That is a CLAIM, not proof, and your post is nothing but one claim after another.
    In philosophy classes I had once, proof was not defined as claim. One should have used some tools of logic to prove something, not only to SAY it (Principium Contradictionis, Principium Exclusii Tertii (sive medii), …).

    However, your claims are relatively benign, if your god:
    – Does not call for hating women, gays, or anyone else, including members of other religions
    – Does not interfere to human lives, especially by ordering them how to worship him and how to punish nonbelievers (stoning)
    – Does not promise eternal life
    – Does not support slavery
    – Etc

    BUT (!) WHO, the hell, is Jesus you mention?
    How does that one fit YOUR “definition” of god?

  17. on 26 Aug 2012 at 3:19 pm 17.Anonymous said …

    All of you people have a sad life not believing in Jesus. I feel sorry for you. prayer does work. get a life. stop trying to debunk everything in the Bible try proving god and Jesus existence

  18. on 26 Aug 2012 at 4:41 pm 18.Prime said …

    Oohh… Dr. Andrew Greszczyszyn D.C., PhD. (who apparently doesn’t know that it’s ostentatious and inappropriate to put both the title and the degrees involved in that title) stumbled upon Taoist ideas, tied them to his preconceived ideas of God, and then spouted them off like he hit upon something profound, original, and related to Jesus in any meaningful way. For his next trick, he will read Neoplatonism and reinvent the Logos almost as well as Origen did (the church father he’s never heard of).

    Boring.

  19. on 26 Aug 2012 at 5:00 pm 19.alex said …

    “stop trying to debunk everything in the Bible try proving god and Jesus existence”

    is ok to pray to allah asking him to destroy you?

  20. on 26 Aug 2012 at 7:05 pm 20.Severin said …

    #17
    “… prayer does work.”

    Who answers prayers of Muslims?

  21. on 26 Aug 2012 at 9:50 pm 21.Anonymous said …

    18 – Prime… The dudes a DC, in other words a Chiropractor and they love telling people they are a “doctor”, even though anyone with just a high-school diploma and no science can get into their colleges.

    In remarking on his posts, don’t forget this is a “doctor” in a profession based on the 19th century belief put forward by a grocer that all disease is caused by “blockages” to the flow of a mythical mystical energy that science is unable to discern caused by so-called “Chiropractic Subluxations” that only they can detect.

    Still, as you say, totally tacky and completely uncalled for to wave a title around like it’s something rare in these parts.

  22. on 26 Aug 2012 at 11:00 pm 22.alex said …

    “Still, as you say, totally tacky and completely uncalled for to wave a title around like it’s something rare in these parts.”

    he’s just like his god, legendary in his own mind.

  23. on 27 Aug 2012 at 1:44 am 23.Curmudgeon said …

    Prime

    I agree. You and Doc keep your delusions to yourself. At least Doc made some sense.

  24. on 27 Aug 2012 at 2:51 am 24.Anonymous said …

    You’ve got to love the irony here.

    In his desperation to play at his usual game of schoolyard taunting dear old Curm ends up saying that someone who self-identifies as part of a group that is derided by the science-literate for being based on a delusional premise, “made sense”. What a wanker!

  25. on 27 Aug 2012 at 9:34 pm 25.Lou(DFW) said …

    24.Anonymous said …

    “You’ve got to love the irony here.”

    Give ’em enough rope…

  26. on 27 Aug 2012 at 11:35 pm 26.Lou said …

    Is as typical of atheist nation, they prefer to talk about people rather than actual facts, arguments and issues.

    Yawn…..

    Doesn’t the AA have important things to do like billboards to put up, schools to sue and rubble shaped like a cross to get removed from museums?

  27. on 28 Aug 2012 at 3:04 am 27.Lou(DFW) said …

    26.Louser said …

    “Is as typical of atheist nation, they prefer to talk about people rather than actual facts, arguments and issues.”

    Says the guy who NEVER, EVER presents any evidence for his imaginary god while responding to a comment that he claims is about people, not facts.

    “Doesn’t the AA have important things to do…”

    That’s kind of like asking “Doesn’t the Red Cross have more important things to than help people?!”

    “like billboards to put up…”

    Do you mean like these?

    http://tinyurl.com/93w5f36

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    …”schools to sue…”

    You must be referring to lawsuits filed over teaching creationism and ID in the public schools. FYI, dumb-ass, The SOCUTUS ruled that it’s unconstitutional to teach creationism as science in public schools, and lower courts ruled similarly about ID. If theists would simply follow the law of the land, then there wouldn’t be any such lawsuits. Ironically, the only countries in the world who are still left behind on this issue are the U.S and some Islamic fundamentalist countries.

    “and rubble shaped like a cross to get removed from museums?”

    Here’s what they actually want – equality:

    “We will pay for our own memorial of equal size inside the museum, or the museum will not include the cross. Equality is an all-or-nothing deal”

    Except for xtians. Ironically, xtianity is about being in everyone’s face about their religion, while xtians are critical of homosexuals who behave similarly about their agenda.

  28. on 28 Aug 2012 at 4:39 am 28.Anonymous said …

    26.Hor posting as Lou – If its facts that you claim to be interested in, then do go ahead and post the evidence for the existence of your god.

    This blog has been waiting years for you to do so, but maybe now you’re actually going to do something other than take potshots at others?

    Go on, big guy. Show us how it’s done. Put the mean atheists in their place with your compelling evidence for sky-daddy. Hey, you can be the first person in the history of ever to do so!

    We’re waiting.

  29. on 28 Aug 2012 at 2:35 pm 29.Lou(DFW) said …

    26.Louser said …

    “Is as typical of atheist nation, they prefer to talk about people rather than actual facts, arguments and issues.”

    Says the guy who NEVER, EVER presents any evidence for his imaginary god while responding to a comment that he claims is about people, not facts.

    “Doesn’t the AA have important things to do…”

    That’s kind of like asking “Doesn’t the Red Cross have more important things to than help people?!”

    “like billboards to put up…”

    Do you mean like these?

    http://tinyurl.com/93w5f36

    …”schools to sue…”

    You must be referring to lawsuits filed over teaching creationism and ID in the public schools. FYI, dumb-ass, The SOCUTUS ruled that it’s unconstitutional to teach creationism as science in public schools, and lower courts ruled similarly about ID. If theists would simply follow the law of the land, then there wouldn’t be any such lawsuits. Ironically, the only countries in the world who are still left behind on this issue are the U.S and some Islamic fundamentalist countries.

    “and rubble shaped like a cross to get removed from museums?”

    Here’s what they actually want – equality:

    “We will pay for our own memorial of equal size inside the museum, or the museum will not include the cross. Equality is an all-or-nothing deal”

    Except for xtians. Ironically, xtianity is about being in everyone’s face about their religion, while xtians are critical of homosexuals who behave similarly about their agenda.

  30. on 28 Aug 2012 at 2:45 pm 30.Anonymous said …

    #26 looks likely an attempt to divert attention away from the Curmudgeon persona’s own goal.

  31. on 28 Aug 2012 at 2:57 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    26.Louser said …

    “Doesn’t the AA have important things to do like billboards to put up, schools to sue and rubble shaped like a cross to get removed from museums?”

    And expose the likes of theist liars such as yourself.

  32. on 21 Nov 2012 at 6:39 pm 32.God's Son said …

    How interesting to see so many emphatic discussions about an entity that you do not believe exists. Atheists seem to be the most passionate people when it comes to discussions about God. If Christianity is indeed not for you…so what? Homosexuality,passive aggressive statements, and desperate assertions based on emotion are not for me. Jesus never forced Himself on anyone…blame the Crusaders, blame ignorant Christians, but don’t blame Christ. The Christ is actually a force that exists in us all. It is the underlying uniting aspect of what you refer to as GOD that accounts for the omnipresence of “GOD”. Jesus was called Christ because He put in the work to fully integrate His thoughts with GOD thereby personifying this force. But ultimately, you are missing the major point. Even if you argue that the entire story of Jesus is mythological, the value of the story is to demonstrate to man how we may fully live up to our potential. Christ is the prototype…so it doesn’t matter if his name was really Jesus; when His birthday was; or where He was born. The deeper Truths about the underlying reality of man, his origins, and destiny, are all included in this story. No different than the Egyptian Book of the Dead, The Bhagavad Gita, or any other true Holy Scripture. It’s not about Christianity…it’s about us…it’s about YOU! JAH BLESS…HOTEP…PEACE…SHANTI…or whatever you atheists would like to say! LOL!!!:)

  33. on 21 Nov 2012 at 7:05 pm 33.Anonymous said …

    For fuck’s sake, idiot. Prove that this god of yours exists OR just admit that it’s just legend. Don’t hedge. Go for it. Grow up and admit it’s just a fairy story that you believed as a child.

    You can’t, so you blather on and on and on trying to hide your nonsense and delusion in meaningless drivel and protect it with perhaps and maybe.

    The only “value” to this fable of yours is to learn how anger, aggression, and ignorance are the hallmarks of religion. There are no deeper truths; it’s a bunch of ignorant ramblings from bronze-age savages.

    That you think there is some value in the story shows that you are a complete and utter fucking idiot who hasn’t actually read the bible.

  34. on 21 Nov 2012 at 7:32 pm 34.Burebista said …

    “For fuck’s sake, idiot. Prove that this god of yours exists OR just admit that it’s just legend.”

    Atheist anger and aggression on display over a being who supposedly does not exist. Why would individuals behave in such a fashion over something they don’t believe in? The obviously do believe.

  35. on 21 Nov 2012 at 10:40 pm 35.alex said …

    “Why would individuals behave in such a fashion over something they don’t believe in?”

    you’re an idiot. get the fuck out of here if you don’t know the purpose of this blog, fucken troll.

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