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Christianity Johnson on 07 Oct 2008 01:20 am

Why religion is evil

What is happening in India right now is pure, unadulterated religious evil, fueled by the hatred and partitioning that religion inspires:

- Kandhmal tribals caught in conversion crossfire

- Hindu Fundamentals are Under Attack

The attacks on Christian families, the vandalism of their places of worship, the destruction of homes and livelihoods, and the horrific rapes, mutilations and burning alive that have been reported, have nothing to do with religious beliefs – neither those of the victims nor of their attackers. They are instead part of a contemptible political project whose closest equivalent can in fact be found in the “Indian Mujahideen” bomb blasts in Delhi, Jaipur, and Ahmedabad, which were set to go off in hospitals, marketplaces and playgrounds. Both actions are anti-national; both aim to divide the country by polarising people along their religious identities; and both hope to profit politically from such polarisation.

This paragraph contains a contradiction. On the one hand, the attacks “have nothing to do with religious beliefs.” On the other, the attacks are “polarising people along their religious identities.” Since God is imaginary and all religion is nonsense, you have millions of people fighting each other to the death over nonsense.

People do kill each other for a variety of reasons, including nationality and ethnicity. But religion is a gigantic, artificial cause of discord. Religious differences by their nature cause animosity, because religions are so absurd and so ridiculous, and because each religion has hatred of outsiders at its core.

If you would like to abandon religion and align your life on rationality and non-violence instead, this web site can help:

- Whywontgodhealamputees.com

11 Responses to “Why religion is evil”

  1. on 14 Oct 2008 at 3:07 pm 1.Amber lash said …

    I stubbled across this website and found it to be interesting also irritating. Here is why,

    First of all, I believe in God, i go to church(when i can, cause of work)on the other hand, i also believe that i am only human and was born into sin. So therefore i will do stupid things that are against god and that will disappoint him, i am only 21 and have alot to learn but i consider myself very openminded and willing to listen to others without judging or pushing them to believe something they just do not.

    now what irritates me, is not that fact you are saying God and the bible is fictional, but you controdict your site by some of the stories you have put in here. For example, Your story of Santa clause, saying that christians are delusional because we go around trying to get people to believe in something that sounds ridiculous just because you can not see it. So in your story you give examples things like “If i was your ADULT friend and i came up to you and said i fully believe in Santa clause and tried to get you to believe in it also, you’d think i was delusional, right?

    basically, you tell that story trying to say that we push people to try to get people to believe and it makes us look SILLY. Aren’t you doing the same thing though? your trying to get people to NOT believe in the bible. So to some(including myself) you also look silly, closeminded and arrogant. Also, that you are afraid of something or other because people believe in something that you choose not to believe.

    Free will sir. Thats why it is so great. We have the right to choose who and what we want to believe in. So if You do not believe in the bible, why do you try so hard, also promote a website to try to get people NOT to believe? Why does it matter so much to you whether or not people believe in God. Who cares, if you decide you want to believe in nothing, reincarnation or getting 70 virgins or gold after death then that is your desicion, you expect others to respect your opinions and beliefs, why not respect people who believe in the bible and want to believe that there is something GREAT after this life of dealing with hurt, anger and pain. Just let us believe.

    Lets say you are correct and God is just imaginary, just a excuse for people who can’t deal with their problems or whatever other people want to say, again, why are you so set in trying to prove other wise? If he does not exsist why worry about whether people want to believe in a fairytale or not?

    when you put adult in your story like saying its immature and childish that an adult believes in something that may or may not exsist your stating that adults are supposed to be better then that, right? To know what is true and what is not? “Grown up”, as adults should be. Well look around dude, i know so many as you proclaim ” ADULTS” that are supposed to be a “role model”, supposed to be mature and think rationally and ligit, that are more immature and full of foolish thoughts then children.That act out more childishly then high school kids. after all wasn’t it adults who made all of them wonderful stories that create the imagination and hope in children? So to put adult in your story to somehow justify that its silly for people to believe in God. It wouldn’t be a sure way to argue why the bible is not true.

    I have no problem with you not believing, but your basically doing what we do. We try to get others TO believe…you try to get others NOT to believe….So whats the difference except the simple concept of war? lets use facts to better explain, we both fight to get our point across..cause we both believe we are right. Do you agree that that is the concept of war? both parties believe in what they believe and fight to try to get the other to believe what they believe? That is life in general, we all disagree, have our own opinions and/or beliefs. Fighting for what we believe has been around since the beginning of time. That is what is going on between the devil and god. picture it like this, if you will. Imagine your parents fighting and no matter what you do they will not stop and they split up and for atleast 18 years you have to deal with each parent thinking they are the better parent and they fight for you. So fights are going to happen and you will be involved. My point? something bigger is happening there whether you want to believe so or not. there is nothing you can do about it. So why can you not believe that God and the devil are fighting to get us? You try to percieve God and point out all these bad things about him and mock how we say god is love, think about this also. God is our creator, kinda like our parents had us, (created us) when our parents disipline us its because we did something wrong or stupid. They are just trying to teach us right from wrong, and sometimes it takes ” TOUGH LOVE’ to get it through our thick heads.Does it mean they do not love us, cause they ground us, or yell at us or even whoop us? no, just something that parents do because we do not know better. The bible is God’s way of talking to us. like parents who make rules for their house, a bed time, a curfew, no drinking, no this or that, whatever their rules maybe, if they love you they make those rules only to help you from getting hurt in the long run. So the bible which is God’s word/rules is only so we might listen( which as children most of us do not, until we experience the consequences and then maybe WISEN UP) God promises heaven, no more pain or sorrow. Kinda like if we’d just listen to our parents we wouldn’t go through all the crap we go through. God just wants us to love and believe in him,kinda like are parents do.

    So as i see it with you trying to convey that the bible is false and that God is mean and you try to use God’s words against him, you are just a rebal child trying to get another child who listens to their parents not to listen to their parents because you have nothing better to do with your life and you are not ” cool” unless you destroy yourself by thinking in your head it is alright to go out and have sex with everybody which the consequence of that is disease, and drink, which the consequence of that is killing your liver and do all the reckless childish things that humans do.

    Which in the end, no matter who you are or who i am, it doesn’t matter, because this will always be about good verses evil, evil will aways try to destroy good and Good will always try to destroy evil, again it is bigger then you and i, we are mere humans on a huge planet that is stuck in one of millions of universes, which also, is so much more then we are. We can be crushed and destroyed at any moment. So big and mighty words for someone to take on and try to prove when it all just comes down to opinions because you are no better then anyone. we are all the same with our own thoughts and beliefs?

    I am not trying to get you to believe, if you choose to go to hell, become some other creature when you die(reincarnation) or simply nothing at all, then that is your choice. Im just simply stating how i see your site and how it is funny that you try so hard to mock the bible and god. Let people believe what they want…why do you care so much if people want to believe in something Good?

  2. on 14 Oct 2008 at 5:51 pm 2.Hermes said …

    Amber lash,

    Wow. You wrote quite a bit. While I did not create this web site or the videos, I’ll try and address parts of it as a summary of what I *think* you mean.

    If I make mistakes here, please feel free to come to the forums if you want and we can discuss things in detail there. (I don’t want to invest gobs of time in something like a blog post that is quickly going out of date.)

    1. Comparison of Santa Claus to the Christian deity God as an insult or sign of arrogance.

    It’s important to keep in mind that for non-Christians there doesn’t seem to be much difference between the claims about the *current* existence of a supernatural Christian deity and the claims about other supernatural entities. The blunt use of Santa Claus was probably used since other comparisons (such as YHWY with Zeus) tend to get rejected and the point gets lost by the Christian.

    The point is; Santa living at the North Poll and delivering presents and Jesus or YHWY reigning in Heaven and judging the living and the dead both are not credible to non-Christians. Former Christians often say they grew out of both beliefs at some point. In my case, I really did stop ‘believing in Santa’ and ‘believing in God’ when I was young. Yes, Santa came first but considering God and other supernatural entities did not take a massive struggle…just as you likely did not struggle with considerations of other deities such as Zeus (who still has worshippers).

    More to come in the comments that follow…

  3. on 14 Oct 2008 at 6:46 pm 3.Hermes said …

    (continued)

    The rest of the responses will be terse.

    2. Free will in choice of beliefs.

    Belief is not a choice. If I think I know something, I will believe it to be true even if I am mistaken. I can’t make myself believe something I do not think is true.

  4. on 14 Oct 2008 at 7:00 pm 4.Hermes said …

    3. Why promote non-belief? Why not leave us alone?

    Two points.

    I. This web site and the videos on it are not forcing anyone to do anything. They are not tracking people down at home and ringing doorbells, they are not asking for automatic tax exemptions, they don’t attempt to enact laws to restrict your private right to worship as you wish, nor are they advocating second hand rights towards religious people. Quite the contrary; they use words and video to discuss an issue and invite you to voice your own in the forums here.

    II. Today, you have free speech, and I have free speech — yet, this was not always the case.

    For many millenniums, religions have been promoted aggressively including restrictions against anyone who expresses ideas that the religious authorities want to be expressed. For example, Zeus is now openly worshipped in Greece again — after 1,600 years of oppression by the Greek governments.

    We are all no doubt much more free than we used to be. You have free speech, and I have free speech. Do you deny me the freedoms you enjoy? If so, why?

  5. on 14 Oct 2008 at 7:24 pm 5.Hermes said …

    4. Why are you so set in trying to disprove the Christian deity?

    I can not speak for the maker of this web site. For me, I would not care what Christians believe in private if they did not take public actions that were often negitive.

    Unfortunately, some Christians perform acts in the name of Christianity that are largely negative. The few Christians that do speak up are drowned out from those who insist on spreading negative actions such as bigotry and ignorance as well as needless suffering and death.

    Because of that lack of initiative by a sufficient number of Christians, non-Christians are left with a problem of what to do when the Christians do not act positively to address those wrongs. I choose to acknowledge that while those wrongs are not my fault, it is my responsibility to do something.

    Bottom line: If Christians stand up and correct these problems, I will stand down. I thank those few Christians that are working for a positive result.

  6. on 14 Oct 2008 at 7:26 pm 6.Hermes said …

    5. “concept of war”.

    There are people who post on this blog that use military terms in their names. None of them are atheists.

  7. on 14 Oct 2008 at 7:28 pm 7.Hermes said …

    6. Biblical rules are like parental rules.

    Consider the Euthyphro dilemma and get back to me.

  8. on 14 Oct 2008 at 7:34 pm 8.Hermes said …

    7. “you are just a rebal child”

    This puzzles me. Would you say the same thing about a Buddhist or a Hindu? If not, why do you think it is appropriate — and not bigoted — when you address any other non-Christian?

    Yet, I am not closed minded. If you have positive evidence for your deity, please present it. Consider the following as templates;

    I. 1 Kings 18.

    II. An answer to the question ‘why won’t your deity heal amputees’.

  9. on 14 Oct 2008 at 7:44 pm 9.Hermes said …

    8. Good vs. evil.

    If your deity exists, why doesn’t it do something about it?

    Classically, this is know as the Problem of Evil, and was stated by Epicurus most famously;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkJJidVjGU

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God?”

    More: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/

    My answer is that there are no deities. Period. Morality is hard, and like freedom requires both diligence and thoughtful care. There are no pat answers to difficult questions.

  10. on 14 Oct 2008 at 7:46 pm 10.Hermes said …

    9. [the rest]

    You started out with some thoughtful comments, and ended with a tirade and veiled threats, including a reference to Pascal’s Wager. If you can restrain your emotions for a moment and talk with me instead of lecture at me, then we can discuss things. If not, then we are at an impasse.

    The choice is yours.

  11. on 14 Oct 2008 at 11:19 pm 11.Hermes said …

    Amber lash: Click here for replies to your post.

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