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Christianity &Rationals Thomas on 02 May 2012 12:17 am

Why Intelligent People Are Angry at Religion

This article offers dozens of reasons why any intelligent person would be angry at the role religion plays in American society:

ATHEISTS AND ANGER

One of the most common criticisms lobbed at the newly-vocal atheist community is, “Why do you have to be so angry?” So I want to talk about:

1. Why atheists are angry;

2. Why our anger is valid, valuable, and necessary;

And 3. Why it’s completely f***ed-up to try to take our anger away from us.

So let’s start with why we’re angry. Or rather — because this is my blog and I don’t presume to speak for all atheists — why I’m angry.

48 Responses to “Why Intelligent People Are Angry at Religion”

  1. on 02 May 2012 at 12:27 pm 1.Doug Fo said …

    I hope you don’t mind a bit of cut and paste from me here:

    Why I blaspheme

    Imagine a popular fictional novel series came out, lets say The Harry Potter Series.

    Now imagine that people everywhere started talking about said series and started forming organizations about discussing it. The organizations declare that Magic and Hogwarts really exist.

    Everywhere you go there are people handing out flyers about “defence from the dark arts.” They even wake you up Saturday morning to try to convince you to join house Hufflepuff.

    These organizations lobby for tax free status, and insist that schools acknowlege the existence of magic…and politicians who are part of the organizations grant it to them.

    Magic is added to school textbooks.

    In order for anyone to be taken seriously in politics they have to declare there allegience to Hogwart’s.
    Now when things happen, said politicians say “Its Dumbledore’s will.”

    Wars are fought over the followers of House Gryffindore versus the followers of House Slytherin. People die for their faith in the books.

    People regularly forsake medicine for magic. And whomever declares themselves a wizard and gets a wizard liscence is granted societal respect. They ask for donations for the further promotion of magic and get them.

    Billions of dollars worth.

    When you tell them “it is just well written fiction” people snort about you being just a muggle, and some even declare you a dark wizard posing as a muggle. You even get slightly discriminated against (which people approve of as a good and needed thing), and find it hard to find a mate who doesn’t think the books are real.

    Now…imagine this going on for decades.

    Would you be angry with the followers of the Harry Potter books? Make fun of them?
    Of course you would.

  2. on 02 May 2012 at 1:37 pm 2.Godless Monkey said …

    I am angry, yes, angry that I’ll never get to see a production of “Brooadway in the Basement.” :(

  3. on 02 May 2012 at 5:01 pm 3.Asher said …

    It is so sad atheist are so vile and angry. Anger only hurts those who carry the emotion. There is so much to be joyful about. I would never allow atheist or any others steal my joy.

    Marshall,

    Way to keep the base fired up. Hope the money is worth it.

  4. on 02 May 2012 at 5:21 pm 4.Lou(DFW) said …

    3.Asher said …

    “It is so sad atheist are so vile and angry. Anger only hurts those who carry the emotion. There is so much to be joyful about. I would never allow atheist or any others steal my joy.”

    http://tinyurl.com/6rvxqfh

  5. on 02 May 2012 at 5:33 pm 5.Lou(DFW) said …

    3.Asher said …

    “It is so sad atheist are so vile and angry.”

    As usual, Asher deliberately misquotes out of context to suit his agenda – lying about atheists.

    The correct quote is “any intelligent person would be angry at the role religion plays in American society.” Furthermore, Asher demonstrates one reason for that.

  6. on 02 May 2012 at 5:48 pm 6.Godless Monkey said …

    Asher would never allow “atheist or any others steal my joy,” yet apparently has no quarrel with theology robbing him of his common sense, intelligence, time, energy and I’d bet money. Opiate, indeed:)

  7. on 03 May 2012 at 11:26 am 7.Lou(DFW) said …

    And because of people like this idiot:

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/opinion-15749653/air-force-caves-to-atheists-29091779.html

  8. on 03 May 2012 at 12:51 pm 8.Doug Fo said …

    3.Asher said …

    “It is so sad atheist are so vile and angry.”

    Vile? Angry, sure, but “vile”? How does being skeptical of the assertion:

    “An Omnipowful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren’t going to live up to his standards.

    And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.”

    make a person vile? Does “vile” have a new meaning synonymous with “sensible?”

  9. on 03 May 2012 at 1:31 pm 9.Lou(DFW) said …

    And because of people like this guy:

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/opinion-15749653/air-force-caves-to-atheists-29091779.html

  10. on 03 May 2012 at 2:41 pm 10.DPK said …

    Wait……. Harry Potter isn’t real?

    WTF!!!

  11. on 03 May 2012 at 2:48 pm 11.DPK said …

    Archer…. how do you know that being a rational human being and being free from the delusion of an invisible sky-man watching everything we do and think and judging us for it under the penalty of eternal… eternal punishment doesn’t give me joy, and your continued insistence that I am wrong is hateful, vile, and an attempt to “steal my joy”?

    You see the entire world through the narrow and selfish blinders of your own delusion. What would you say to a joyful tribesman gleefully worshiping his volcano god? Would you be hateful and vile if you told him the good news of Jesus who died for him (if only for a short while) and steal away his joy with your hate and anger?

    You are such a hypocrite.

  12. on 03 May 2012 at 9:21 pm 12.Lou(DFW) said …

    Here’s another reason. These guys simply don’t get it.

    http://tinyurl.com/d6lo7t2

  13. on 04 May 2012 at 1:10 am 13.alex said …

    “I would never allow atheist or any others steal my joy.”… but I would allow my priesthood bros to molest little boys, or allow my tough homies to roll helpless girlie homos, or applaud and holla “hell yeah!” when an abortion clinic is bombed….etc.etc.

    …asshole. you see, i used to be apathetic about you morons, then I realized I was complicit. no mas.

  14. on 04 May 2012 at 1:18 am 14.alex said …

    10.Lou(DFW) said …

    I couldn’t even finish the damn video. It’s the theists sense of entitlement that kills me. They think that all the religious shit is the fucking default placement everywhere. On the coin, in the courthouse, blah, blah. When somebody objects, the theists rights are trampled, like they’re some kind of freakin martyr. I’m telling you, it’s time to get militant.

  15. on 04 May 2012 at 3:12 am 15.Prime said …

    On that molesting thing, in case you missed it:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/04/29/catholic-priests-oppose-report-pedophilia-bill-in-ireland/

  16. on 04 May 2012 at 4:18 am 16.Lou(DFW) said …

    14.alex said …

    10.Lou(DFW) said …

    “I couldn’t even finish the damn video. It’s the theists sense of entitlement that kills me. They think that all the religious shit is the fucking default placement everywhere. On the coin, in the courthouse, blah, blah. When somebody objects, the theists rights are trampled, like they’re some kind of freakin martyr. I’m telling you, it’s time to get militant.”

    I know what you mean. That’s why I posted the link. His tone is almost, if not completely, condescending. But the truth of the matter is that he’s nothing but a religious whack-job. He has his mind made-up that he’s right, and by god, NOTHING is going to change it!

  17. on 04 May 2012 at 1:08 pm 17.Ben said …

    “I’m telling you, it’s time to get militant.”

    What do you mean time? alex that is your history.

    So which group will you attack first?

    Nope, no anger here. God has been so good to me and things are unfolding just as He has prophesied.

  18. on 04 May 2012 at 1:49 pm 18.Lou(DFW) said …

    17.Ben, aka Hor, said …

    “What do you mean time? alex that is your history.

    So which group will you attack first?

    “Nope, no anger here.”

    Other than you, who claimed “no anger here?” Lying about what is written here and then gloating over it is a constant tactic with you and your sock-puppets.

    “God has been so good to me and things are unfolding just as He has prophesied.”

    Note to Ben-Hor – your imaginary god obviously has NOT been good to you unless you consider that ignorance is bliss. So you win in two ways – ignorance is bliss, and you’re too ignorant to realize that you’re ignorant.

  19. on 04 May 2012 at 1:53 pm 19.alex said …

    “What do you mean time? alex that is your history.”

    you are a moron. have I bombed any clinics? beat up anybody? waged war? passed oppressive legislation.

    i refused to be blessed when I sneezed. i refuse to pray when somebody dies. i say die, not “passed”, idiot. I’m the one that removes the freakin bibles when I see them.

    any other questions, moron?

  20. on 04 May 2012 at 2:24 pm 20.Anonymous said …

    This is just Hor trying to divert attention from his inability to provide evidence for his imaginary friend. As one sock puppet gets cornered he just brings out another one. We’ve had A, Asher, Biff, and Ben of late. Maybe it’s time for Curmudgeon to come out of retirement?

  21. on 04 May 2012 at 2:26 pm 21.Lou(DFW) said …

    17.Ben said …

    “I’m telling you, it’s time to get militant.”

    “What do you mean time? alex that is your history.”

    Unless you can substantiate that “vile” claim, that makes you a liar. Please show us alex’s history.

  22. on 04 May 2012 at 10:45 pm 22.Ben said …

    alex

    So what did you mean it is time to get militant? You jump to more hatred rather than answer a simple question. A pretty harsh statement that all of your atheist brethren would be up in arms about if stated by one of their hated fellow men.

    Lets see if you explain yourself this time or if your brethren come and try to explain it away for you.

  23. on 05 May 2012 at 12:02 am 23.alex said …

    20.Ben said …

    You’re a fucking idiot. militant enough? I will raise my kids as atheists, militant enough? when you try to pass idiotic religious laws, i will resist. militant enough? when you say stupid shit like homos need spiritual counseling, i will laugh, challenge and call you a moron, militant enough? i will encourage and vote for laws prosecuting priests when they don’t report crimes, militant enough? i will tirelessly point out the stupidity of the bible, militant enough? any other stupid baseless comments/statements made, religious or otherwise, i will challenge. militant enough?

    oh, btw. where is your proof? why is it the you fuckers don’t beat up able bodied atheists? cuz, you know god won’t protect you from an ass kicking.

  24. on 05 May 2012 at 12:28 am 24.Anonymous said …

    According to “Ben” who is trying to divert attention from his latest fail, “militant” is synonymous with hatred. OK, let’s see where “Ben’s” definition leads.

    In Christian theology, the Christian Church, or Church Universal, is traditionally divided into:

    - the Church Militant (Ecclesia Militans), comprising Christians on earth who are living; Christian militia, who struggle against sin, the devil and “..the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places” (Ephesians 6:12).

    -the Church Triumphant (Ecclesia Triumphans), comprising those who are in Heaven, and the Church Suffering, a.k.a. Church Padecent or Church Penitent (Ecclesia Penitens) or Church Expectant (Ecclesia Expectans), comprising those Christians presently in Purgatory. This latter term is only applicable to Roman Catholic theology.

    So, once again, “Ben” fails to think his argument through, and using his distaste of the word “militant” we are lead to the conclusion that Ben must also believe Christianity to be a vile religion full of the hatred that we now see he is projecting onto others.

    What was that sound? Oh, it was the sound of “Ben” digging himself into a hole.

    Now, how about you, “Ben”, stop the hate speech and provide some evidence for the existence of your imaginary friend?

  25. on 06 May 2012 at 12:56 am 25.Doug Fo said …

    To be labeled militant by the media:

    A member of a major Christian Group: has to have shot someone or made a bomb

    A splinter Christian Group: Has to have a small armory and literature about they are warriors of God

    A Muslim: has to own a gun, or said something like “infidels should die”

    An Atheist: has to state his or her opinion without apologizing first.

    Gosh, so even handed.

  26. on 06 May 2012 at 2:41 pm 26.Lou(DFW) said …

    http://atheism.about.com/b/2012/05/03/daily-poll-should-atheists-shut-up-and-stop-upsetting-christians.htm

  27. on 06 May 2012 at 3:32 pm 27.DPK said …

    I recall at my Confirmation around the age of 10 or 12 being taught repeatedly that I was now “a soldier for Christ”.

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04215b.htm

    Confirmation:
    A sacrament in which the Holy Ghost is given to those already baptized in order to make them strong and perfect Christians and soldiers of Jesus Christ.

    No,no, not militant at all.

  28. on 06 May 2012 at 5:50 pm 28.Ben said …

    Oh alex

    Your grasp of the English language is simply divine. I bet you just melt the young girls heart with your poetic idiom.

    Stop being a militant, put away your guns and knives. Nobody is keeping your from your porn, drugs, gay lifestyle or forcing you into church. It is all in your head. Relax, take a valium.

  29. on 06 May 2012 at 6:12 pm 29.Anonymous said …

    BenHor’s taunts and attempts to provoke other people continue to demonstrate how religion turns people into assholes.

  30. on 06 May 2012 at 6:34 pm 30.DPK said …

    yeah, you can just feel the love of Jesus oozing out of him, huh? I think he maybe needs to go eat some Jesus meat and drink some holy blood to get the love back.

    Feeling a little intolerant today Ben? Stop trying to convince people your imaginary gods are real. Nobody is keeping you from your hymns and candles, or forcing you to marry another man or look at women with lust in your heart. It’s all in your head. Relax, take a Valium, the voices will go away soon.

  31. on 06 May 2012 at 7:40 pm 31.Lou(DFW) said …

    28.Ben said …

    “Nobody is keeping your from your porn, drugs, gay lifestyle or forcing you into church.”

    Yes, just ask Ted Haggard.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#Scandal_and_removal_from_job

    “It is all in your head. Relax, take a valium.”

    Yes, it’s all in our head that “In God We trust” is printed on our public money on on government buildings, and that we are forced to subsidize your churches with our tax money.

  32. on 06 May 2012 at 7:44 pm 32.alex" said …

    “Nobody is keeping your from your porn, drugs, gay lifestyle or forcing you into church.”

    …not surprising. you are a hypocritical, ntolerant, presumptious asshole.

    if you were a drowning man, i would still try to help you, with no strings attached or morality dispensed.

    would you do the same to a drowning transgender? a muslim? for a drowning atheist, a big heavy rock?

  33. on 06 May 2012 at 7:52 pm 33.Ben said …

    “would you do the same to a drowning transgender? a muslim? for a drowning atheist”

    Most definitely. I never ask those questions in advance. They are irrelevant to me. I know the value of human life. Even those with a very limited and vulgar vocabulary.

    As far as I can see from the posts, your group does all the hating. The words, they speak all.

  34. on 06 May 2012 at 8:05 pm 34.alex said …

    33.Ben said …

    ok, rewind. i don’t believe in god, now all the shit comes in. evolution is suspect, the bible is the word, hitler/polpot/jerry springer is an atheist. i still don’t believe and i ask for proof. here comes the diversions, cut and paste with links. i say bullshit and say “enough, I won’t tolerate this shit anymore” and i’m a hater?

    with an infinite number of gods with their infinite requirements, isn’t your arbitrary behavior kinda dangerous? seems like a random lifestyle gives you better odds in complying with one of the gods?

  35. on 06 May 2012 at 8:22 pm 35.alex said …

    “would you do the same to a drowning transgender? a muslim? for a drowning atheist”

    “Most definitely. I never ask those questions in advance.”

    ..so where did god fit in? or is it after the fact? forgive me father. i just saved a fuckin transgender? to make up for it, i promise to stone an adulterer?

  36. on 06 May 2012 at 9:08 pm 36.Anonymous said …

    Ben asserted: “As far as I can see from the posts, your group does all the hating.” – Now let’s suppose that’s true, and let’s even suppose that evolution is false, let’s see where that goes.

    There are thousands upon thousands of gods that have been claimed to exist. Christianity itself has over 38,000 (thirty-eight thousand) different sects. Within those sects, may Christians have their own “personal” god.

    So, help us out, Ben.

    - Which god, or gods, do you worship?
    - What is your proof?
    - Why do you reject these other gods?
    - What process do you propose in place of evolution and where is your evidence?
    - For all the billions of people who are “wrong”, i.e. don’t worship “your” god, are they also untrustworthy, gay, drug-addicts, and all the things you claim atheists are? If not, why not? They are not worshiping your god(s) so there’s nothing to keep them in line, right?

  37. on 06 May 2012 at 9:14 pm 37.Doug Fo said …

    “Nobody is keeping your from your porn, drugs, gay lifestyle or forcing you into church”

    No, because there was a little thing called the Enlightenment, and it has been pissing off theists like you since it began.

  38. on 07 May 2012 at 2:01 am 38.Ben said …

    “No, because there was a little thing called the Enlightenment, and it has been pissing off theists like you since it began.

    Actually Fo I wasn’t around for the Enlightenment. It is called tolerance and love for all mankind. What atheists cannot understand, I can disagree with a particular lifestyle, and still tolerate and have love for that person. Atheists must go of on a tirade as alex has proven.

    Does alex make you proud Po?

    I order to discover God, you cannot do a “suppose” like you are playing some new board game. Sure, sounds great, reminds you of college class exercises. Still in college Fo?

    When and if you ever get serious about being found by God, it will happen for you.

    “What process do you propose in place of evolution”

    I don’t. I await the macroevolutuonist to prove their process.

  39. on 07 May 2012 at 2:16 am 39.Anonymous said …

    and to these, Ben?

    - Which god, or gods, do you worship?
    - What is your proof?
    - Why do you reject these other gods?
    - For all the billions of people who are “wrong”, i.e. don’t worship “your” god, are they also untrustworthy, gay, drug-addicts, and all the things you claim atheists are? If not, why not? They are not worshiping your god(s) so there’s nothing to keep them in line, right?

  40. on 07 May 2012 at 4:02 am 40.Doug Fo said …

    “Found by god?” Eh…how does a supposed Omni being lose track of things? I see a lot of empty “sagacity” phrases that actually say nothing coming from you in order to scam and slide around the subject presented.

    Namely when you did use the phrase “Nobody is keeping your from your porn, drugs, gay lifestyle or forcing you into church” I held you feet to the fire, religion can claim it is all open minded, NOW when it doesn’t have complete temporal power, but it still attempts to assert itself in whatever ways it can politically muster. But, somehow, you shy away from these facts and try to use sly language to impeach my intellectual chops:

    “I order to discover God, you cannot do a “suppose” like you are playing some new board game. Sure, sounds great, reminds you of college class exercises. Still in college Fo?”

    Seriously, do you think I wouldn’t call you on that sort of slime? I used a “suppose” analogy to illustrate why God believers create anger not to “Find God.” So you show your level of intellectual honesty, that is to say, you don’t have any.

  41. on 07 May 2012 at 11:26 am 41.Lou(DFW) said …

    38.Ben said …

    “What process do you propose in place of evolution”

    “I don’t. I await the macroevolutuonist to prove their process.”

    On top of being generally dishonest, Ben now shows that he’s intellectually dishonest.

    He also ignores “36.Anonymous said …Now let’s suppose that’s true, and let’s even suppose that evolution is false, let’s see where that goes.” No, he must continue the false debate about macro-evolution as if that somehow supports god and creationism, and attacks those who disbelieve it.

    Then he completely ignores:

    So, help us out, Ben.

    - Which god, or gods, do you worship?
    - What is your proof?
    - Why do you reject these other gods?
    - What process do you propose in place of evolution and where is your evidence?

    It just goes to show the true nature of theists like Ben who will lie and cheat in the name of their imaginary god. Some religion!

  42. on 07 May 2012 at 11:49 am 42.Lou(DFW) said …

    38.Ben said …

    “I don’t. I await the macroevolutuonist to prove their process.”

    This claim, while irrelevant to the discussion of god, religion, and “why any intelligent person would be angry at the role religion plays in American society” (even though it illustrates why such anger would exist) is false in that implies that macro-evolution isn’t real. It’s just another Ben-Hor lie. It’s a way in which theists like him “move the goal posts.” At first they claimed that evolution was only a theory, and like macro-evolution now, they awaited evolutuonists “to prove their process.”

    But once they were forced to accept the fact of evolution, they “moved the goal post” – they falsely imply that macroevolution hasn’t been “proven,” even though it has.

    I posted some snippets, but there is much more macro-evolution at

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html

    What is macroevolution?

    First, we have to get the definitions right.

    Creationists often assert that “macroevolution” is not proven, even if “microevolution” is, and by this they seem to mean that whatever evolution is observed is microevolution, but the rest is macroevolution. In making these claims they are misusing authentic scientific terms; that is, they have a non-standard definition, which they use to make science appear to be saying something other than it is.”

    In evolutionary biology today, macroevolution is used to refer to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species. It means at least the splitting of a species into two (speciation, or cladogenesis, from the Greek meaning “the origin of a branch”, see Fig. 1) or the change of a species over time into another (anagenetic speciation, not nowadays generally accepted [note 1]). Any changes that occur at higher levels, such as the evolution of new families, phyla or genera, are also therefore macroevolution, but the term is not restricted to those higher levels. It often also means long-term trends or biases in evolution of higher taxonomic levels.

    The misuse of the terms by creationists is all their own work. It is not due to the ways scientists have used them. Basically when creationists use “macroevolution” they mean “evolution which we object to on theological grounds”, and by “microevolution” they mean “evolution we either cannot deny, or which is acceptable on theological grounds”.

  43. on 07 May 2012 at 11:57 am 43.Lou(DFW) said …

    38.Ben said …

    “Actually Fo I wasn’t around for the Enlightenment.”

    REALLY! No kidding, Ben-Hor, we angry, vile, abotionist (you theists took child-molesting first) atheists always considered you to be enlightened! How could we possibly think otherwise?

  44. on 17 May 2012 at 2:53 pm 44.CALL ON JESUS said …

    The time is near, the lies are great,
    The love is false, and the time is hate,
    I fear the pride,
    has served to hide,
    the wisdom needed,
    to see what you denied.

    Atheist Professor from Berkeley gets a glimpse of hell
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vj0qKthCgg&sns=em

  45. on 17 May 2012 at 4:37 pm 45.FUCK said …

    For Us Christ was Killed

  46. on 18 Jun 2012 at 2:10 am 46.Peacemaker said …

    I chose my name to be peacemaker because I don’t want to argue with the atheists nor look like some theist extremist who believes the bible word for word. Some things wre made just to combat polytheism like the creation stories. For those who complain about why god sacrificed himself, please read Witness the Passion. It helps and gives you a better perspective of that scene. And for Alex who talks about not praying over death, just because you do not believe it will matter, don’t refrain because it will still comfort the family that is left behind and who knows, it might do good. And about refusing to accept blessings when you sneeze? Do you know about the act that Dane cook does about atheists sneezing? Just because you don’t believe doesn’t mean you have to shun them. Just accept it or ignore it or maybe thank them but don’t refuse it. That’s all.

  47. on 18 Jun 2012 at 9:14 pm 47.alex said …

    “Just accept it or ignore it or maybe thank them but don’t refuse it.”

    you’re a moron. if i was a muslim and i complained, would you afford me the courtesy?

    why don’t i just shut up and accept the creationism you morons are pushing? if i was a navajo or a hindu, would you let me publish my own version of creationism in public schools? get the fuck out of here.

  48. on 18 Jun 2012 at 9:44 pm 48.T said …

    “I don’t. I await the macroevolutuonist to prove their process.”

    Ben haven’t you heard it is fact! We don’t need concrete evidence. All we need is to the indirect evidences put together and they lead to this being the only option. Your ancestor was pond scum and you still are.

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