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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 14 Apr 2012 12:04 am

The definition of delusion – theists are delusional

Looking at the definition of delusion, it is easy to see that all theists are delusional:

So, we were learning about delusions in my Psychopathology class… and I accidentally made my professor very uncomfortable.

We were learning about psychotic disorders and how they are diagnosed, and we were learning the different types of delusions. Two of the types were “delusions of reference”, which are delusions where you believe you are receiving special messages, and “delusions of grandeur”, meaning you believe that you are special, or above everyone else.

I asked my professor, “say someone believes they are special because they believe they are receiving special messages from a source that they think is God. Would they have a delusion of grandeur or reference?” (it was an honest question, I wasn’t trying to be insensitive to the more religious members of the class).

My professor turned red, stammered a bit, and said (after doing the whole “nobody get offended” thing) “questions regarding religion and delusions are very, very tricky to answer… Our culture has made it acceptable to believe in some things that, to outsiders, would seem very strange. The definition of a delusion is ‘a firmly held belief that someone believes despite lack of evidence, and despite contradicting evidence.’ Given that definition, it’s very hard to distinguish between the things religion tells us, and what makes someone delusional. So in diagnosing, it’s important to take the culture into perspective, so you’re not diagnosing devout religious belief as shizophrenia.”

My professor even went on to say “I believe in God. I’m Jewish, although I’m not a ‘good’ Jew. I have no evidence for God, yet I continue to hold onto my belief. Am I delusional? Maybe. But society has deemed that type of thinking to be rational, even though it could very easily be objectively classified as a delusion.”

I just found that interesting, that even though religion basically fits the criteria for “delusional thinking”, psychiatrists basically can’t use it in a diagnosis because it’s a type of “delusion” that’s been deemed socially acceptable. I also found it interesting that some people know that type of thinking is possibly delusional… yet they continue to hold onto it.

Related:

“The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive.” – Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation

How do we know that Christians are delusional?

49 Responses to “The definition of delusion – theists are delusional”

  1. on 14 Apr 2012 at 2:18 pm 1.jlozano713 said …

    A socially acceptable delusion is still a delusion. That does not mean the delusional person is a bad person. My whole family is Catholic and I am the only rational person (atheist) in the family as far as I know. They usually believe in their God because it is socially unacceptable. of course they will not admit that is the case. A religious belief will never be considered a delusion until we become a secular based society. It will take a lot of generations for this to happen.

  2. on 14 Apr 2012 at 9:24 pm 2.Patrick said …

    “My whole family is Catholic and I am the only rational person (atheist) in the family as far as I know.”

    Uh Huh, like the guy who can talk to his dog, everyone else is just not normal like he.

    Atheists, face a fact. You are psychologically deficient. This is why so many know a God to exist, but you cannot. Many get well as they age, but some of you need counseling. I understand there has been some studies between atheism and some psychological disorders. You can keep coming to a blog to pat yourselves on the back but consider getting help.

  3. on 14 Apr 2012 at 9:52 pm 3.Anonymous said …

    Patrick, #2, The article defines delusion as ‘a firmly held belief that someone believes despite lack of evidence, and despite contradicting evidence.’ If you are not delusional, then you must have evidence that your God exists. What is your evidence?

  4. on 15 Apr 2012 at 12:49 am 4.Lou (DFW) said …

    2.Patrick said …

    “Atheists, face a fact. You are psychologically deficient. This is why so many know a God to exist, but you cannot.”

    So now the ability to “know A god” psychological. That speaks volumes.

  5. on 15 Apr 2012 at 1:11 am 5.ReligionIsStupid said …

    At dinner tonight, a Jewish friend was talking about Passover, and he actually said with no prompting from me “I know all religion is a delusion, yet I still believe it. That’s so messed up.” I think that was quite enlightened of him.

  6. on 15 Apr 2012 at 1:22 am 6.jburger said …

    Lord Have Mercy y’all, Lord Willin *all* are capable of knowing GOD….*all y’all*, so please come unto His Way, Truth, And Life friends, and do not condemn others as deluded or delinquent, esp. when they’re not. PLGB choose God choose life y’all. see the links, read The WORD, and believe, trusting He Above me/we (prov.3:5)
    deut.6, deut.30, prov.3, jn.3, jn.14, etc., etc. PLGB

    and don’t forget Lord Willin that God’s where all Good is from, and defined, and Lord Forgive be i wrong or offbase PLGB


    7

    ‘Go it With God As He With you! Read n believe Peace, Love God Bless, Glory Always Be [His] (PLGB)’ n pray God’s Will Be Done and for all in need Amen

    http://www.usccb.org/nab

    everystudent site

    alpha course

    Bible.cc

    40daysforlife and WayOfTheMaster (even hitler i mayn’t judge) choose life praise God PLGB

    and Lord Have Mercy, an indication perhaps of pornography as a clear and present danger and ‘smut’ needs to be stopped, please read Scripture at the above links and testimonies here: thepinkcross

    for an end to crime and violence and condemnation worldly and smut, prayers for all in need n The LORD Himself PLGB
    Praise The Lord For He Is Good (ps/chron thanks be to GOD) His Mercy Endures Forever
    “but of course, there’s a time and place for God, Christ, And Spirit….
    ….and somehow and someway God Willin’/By God that could, perhaps even God Willin’ *should* be Always And EVERYWHERE!!!!” PLGB praise God Amen

  7. on 15 Apr 2012 at 1:23 am 7.jburger said …

    http://www.WayOfTheMaster.org though even hitler Lord Willin i mayn’t judge, Lord Forgive be i or any wrong or offbase. know The LORD/i hope/pray Lord Willin, PLGB

  8. on 15 Apr 2012 at 2:30 am 8.Patrick said …

    “a firmly held belief that someone believes despite lack of evidence, and despite contradicting evidence.’

    Yes, this is true. Here is where your theory fails. Theist have evidence such as cosmological, theological, etc. Get a good book for the arguments. The fact you refuse to acknowledge these as evidence for God in no way makes them not evidence. That’s your own, misguided opinion.

    Second, you provide zero contradictory evidence therefore you can’t even hold up that end of the definition.

    Actually the definition can fit the atheist quite well. Maybe we have found the atheists psychological failings right here. Delusion – although I think it goes much deeper. Have you read the the endless malaise of propaganda from the atheist here for a being that doesn’t exist?

  9. on 15 Apr 2012 at 3:07 am 9.41YA said …

    8.Patrick said …

    “Yes, this is true. Here is where your theory fails. Theist have evidence such as cosmological, theological, etc.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  10. on 15 Apr 2012 at 4:33 am 10.Lou (DFW) said …

    8.Patrick said …

    “Yes, this is true. Here is where your theory fails. Theist have evidence such as cosmological, theological, etc.”

    Theological evidence for god? Ever heard of circular reasoning?

    “Get a good book for the arguments.”

    Not arguments, evidence. But just for grins, name one.

  11. on 15 Apr 2012 at 4:35 am 11.Lou (DFW) said …

    8.Patrick said …

    “Second, you provide zero contradictory evidence therefore you can’t even hold up that end of the definition.”

    What definition requires “contradictory evidence?”

    “Maybe we have found the atheists psychological failings right here. Delusion – although I think it goes much deeper.”

    Oh yes, one of the theists favorite defenses – “I know you are but what am I?”

  12. on 15 Apr 2012 at 10:01 am 12.ReligionIsStupid said …

    We asked Patrick to provide evidence, did he? No, of course he didn’t.

    Feel free to try again but realize that evidence isn’t circular reasoning nor is it “just look around” nor is it “well how else do you explain…” ~ those would be examples of ignorance, something the uneducated people who wrote the Bible had in abundance.

  13. on 15 Apr 2012 at 1:57 pm 13.Severin said …

    8 Patric
    “That’s your own, misguided opinion.”

    Then opinions of about a billion of Muslims, Chinese, Indians, Indonesians, Jews, etc. must also be misguided.
    None of them shares your opinion.
    Also, it is impossible that all Christian denominations are right guided!

    Isn’t YOUR opinion just “your own, misguided opinion”?

    How can you prove them all wrong and yourself right?

  14. on 15 Apr 2012 at 2:10 pm 14.Severin said …

    Patric,
    I mean, they all have THEIR OWN “… evidences such as cosmological, theological, etc” that differ a lot from yours. And they all claim YOU are wrong and they are right.
    They are obviously all theists, but are they wrong or right?

  15. on 15 Apr 2012 at 2:26 pm 15.Severin said …

    Patric,
    No theist was willing to explain to me “praying answering paradox”.

    Can you kindly help me?

    There is no doubt that Muslims, Jews and members of many other religions believe that god answers their prayers.
    They pray to god and get what they were prayed for! They do not doubt that, same as you don’t doubt that you get what you pray for.

    Now, can YOU kindly tell me WHO do you think answers prayers of Muslims, Jews, Orthodox Christians, Catholics, …

  16. on 15 Apr 2012 at 3:46 pm 16.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Severin, it is strange that many theists offer the claim of answered prayers as “proof” that their god is real, yet when faced with the contradiction that “false” gods also answer prayers they clam up.

    Patrick seems confident in his belief. I would therefore expect that he would be able to offer an answer to this paradox?

  17. on 15 Apr 2012 at 3:54 pm 17.Lou (DFW) said …

    16.ReligionIsStupid said …

    “Patrick seems confident in his belief. I would therefore expect that he would be able to offer an answer to this paradox?”

    No, because for people like Patrick, it’s not a belief, it’s a delusion.

  18. on 15 Apr 2012 at 5:47 pm 18.DPK said …

    What happens to gods when people stop believing in them? They disappear.

  19. on 15 Apr 2012 at 6:23 pm 19.41YA said …

    18.DPK said …

    “What happens to gods when people stop believing in them? They disappear.”

    It’s absolutely stunning how similar the invisible and the non-existent look.

  20. on 15 Apr 2012 at 7:26 pm 20.Dez said …

    “Actually the definition can fit the atheist quite well. Maybe we have found the atheists psychological failings right here.”

    Patric,

    I never thought of atheists as being delusional but you are absolutely correct. When you refuse to accept evidence, that is a delusion. When you fail to believe despite the evidence that is delusional.

    Try the “Dawkins Delusion”. It is a great read and full of great insight.

  21. on 15 Apr 2012 at 7:30 pm 21.Dez said …

    Severin.

    Let me ask you this.

    Then(Sp) opinions(sp) of about a billion of Muslims, Chinese, Indians, Indonesians, Jews, etc. must also be misguided.
    None of them shares your opinion.

  22. on 15 Apr 2012 at 8:14 pm 22.41YA said …

    Can’t all be right.
    Can all be wrong.
    Hmm….

  23. on 15 Apr 2012 at 10:41 pm 23.DPK said …

    “When you refuse to accept evidence, that is a delusion.”

    Maybe we have someone who is going to actually put up here… what evidence??
    We’ve been begging for this evidence for as long as I can remember, but none have been forthcoming.
    Your “evidence” doesn’t happen to consist of “well, you can’t explain _______ (fill in the blank) so therefor god musta done it,” does it?

  24. on 15 Apr 2012 at 10:42 pm 24.Godless Monkey said …

    As was previously discussed here, it is baffling and ironic how theists, and in this instance with Patrick and Dez, whom I’m guessing are xtian, call those who have no belief in the supernatural, those being atheists, delusional — and I defined “atheist” here for the marginally retarded and those mentally challenged — while they believe the most ludicrous shit ever put down on papyrus. Then they go on to cite “evidence” that is never produced. Law 101. Objection, your honor, lack of evidence. Sustained! Prove it, dudes ;)

  25. on 15 Apr 2012 at 10:53 pm 25.Godless Monkey said …

    And Patrick, I’m sure you’ve heard the old adage about the insane — if three people believe something nutty they’re referred to as crazy; whereas if one million people believe the exact same nuttiness it’s referred to as religion. Just thought I’d give you something to ponder tonight while in the midst of devout prayer to…uh, yourself.

  26. on 16 Apr 2012 at 12:55 am 26.Patrick said …

    “whereas if one million people believe the exact same nuttiness it’s referred to as religion.”

    I agree, atheism stinks of religion. Think about it, objectively, no through the lens of your comrades, Dawkins or blogs. You guys are so predictable in your beliefs.

    Hate Religion
    Use the word Delusion
    Liberals
    Obsessed with Religion
    Consider yourselves highly intelligent
    Refuse to admit Communist are atheists
    Relative Moralism
    Pro Abortion
    Democrats
    Defend all atheists
    Intolerant
    Trinity of Dawkins, Hitchens & Harris
    etc…..Religion

    Dez,

    I have read that book by McGrath. He has nailed atheism to the point. This particular blog is almost scary at how well he has pegged this sect.

  27. on 16 Apr 2012 at 1:06 am 27.41YA said …

    26.Patrick said …

    “I have read that book by McGrath. He has nailed atheism to the point. This particular blog is almost scary at how well he has pegged this sect.”

    First, everything before this comment is utter crap–more lies and dodges from your lack of support of your beliefs.

    Second, this comment itself: I too have read that book by McGrath. It’s 100% logical fallacies, particularly hasty generalizations, non sequiturs, and straw men, just like that list of crap you put up there to describe this “sect” of people that have no creed and thus can’t be a sect. No wonder people like McGrath can spread their lies and take your money so effectively: you’ll believe anything you’re told as long as it makes you feel better about your immoral beliefs that you can’t back up.

  28. on 16 Apr 2012 at 1:24 am 28.DPK said …

    “You guys are so predictable in your beliefs.”

    Even if every one of the ridiculously arrogant lies you listed where absolutely true (and I’m an atheist and I scored 4 out of 12, so that shows how full of shit your intolerant and stereotypical list is)… even if every one of them were true… so what? How does that prove the reality of your imaginary god… the one you said you had “evidence” for? It doesn’t. You are deluded. Proof is in the fact that you actually believe the shit you just posted.

  29. on 16 Apr 2012 at 1:32 am 29.??? said …

    How is it that almost everyone that takes the theist position on this blog argues in the same way as Horatiio and Curmudgeon? Same lies, same dodges, same style. Are they are all the same person?

  30. on 16 Apr 2012 at 2:22 am 30.DPK said …

    If they are not, they might as well be. They can only regurgitate the same brainless bulshit they have been indoctrinated with.
    Right now I’m watching a documentary on h2 about Zeus. One day people will be watching a doc about Jesus and thinking, “how did people believe this nonsense?”

  31. on 16 Apr 2012 at 2:52 am 31.jlozano713 said …

    Patrick,

    I may have sounded a bit arrogant in my mini rant, but I stand my ground. The only reason we can’t diagnose a theist with a disorder is because it is a socially acceptable practice. It took years to realize just how delusional I was. Seven years ago I might have been in this blog making up excuses for a God that is absent. If I do not see any empirical concrete evidence thenI just cannot conclude, that any of the thousands of gods that man claimed existed over the thousands of years, ever existed. Extraordinarily claims require extraordinary evidence and no matter how believe or how many excuses any theist makes we have yet to see evidence by your imaginary deity.

  32. on 16 Apr 2012 at 2:58 am 32.alex said …

    for sale: my god given soul for $500 bucks. you can assign it to the devil if you like. this is your chance to send an atheist to hell. hurry, hurry!

  33. on 16 Apr 2012 at 3:33 am 33.DPK said …

    “Theist have evidence such as cosmological, theological, etc. ”

    Still waiting.
    BTW.. what the heck is “theological” evidence for god? Is that like astrological evidence for astrology? hahaha
    And cosmological? Hate to tell you, but the overwhelming majority of real cosmologists disagree.
    http://preposterousuniverse.com/writings/nd-paper/

  34. on 16 Apr 2012 at 6:31 am 34.Severin said …

    21 Dez
    „None of them shares your opinion.“
    I know that, thank you, but it was not my question.
    They obviously do not share your opinion either.
    So my question was:
    What is YOUR opinion about THEIR opinions? Are they, by your opinion, right in their opinions, or wrong/deluded?

    Dez, Patric,
    Why are you avoiding to explain to me the problem of „prayer paradox“:
    Billions of Muslims, Jews, …, claim that they usually get from god what they pray for.
    God answers their prayers, they say.

    My question is more than simple:
    DOES god answers their prayers or not?
    Are they telling us the truth about god answering their prayers, or they lie?
    I mean, the principle with them is exactly the same as with Christians: they pray and sometimes they get what they prayed for and sometimes not. It seems to me that neither Christians nor Muslims (et al.) lie about it. They are telling us the truth, I think.

    In that case I would call it coincidence, but I might be wrong.
    What is YOUR explanation?
    Does YOUR god answer prayers of Muslims, or Muslim god answers your prayers, or are there two or more gods that answer prayers each for his congregation, or what?

  35. on 16 Apr 2012 at 1:07 pm 35.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Patrick says he has evidence, but doesn’t present it instead he just indulges in some vague hand-waving and attempts to divert the burden elsewhere.

    He tries to claim that no-one has refuted his “evidence” which he hasn’t provided.

    When called on his nonsense, he then starts attacking the messenger.

    At this point, it doesn’t matter what the subject may be. It’s the tired old game of the bullshitter and bully who has been caught in a lie and whose only way out is to try to change the subject.

    Patrick. Present your evidence. If you can’t, then it’s all in your imagination.

  36. on 16 Apr 2012 at 7:58 pm 36.Suh said …

    Patrick

    I think that list would perfectly define 95% of the Atheists.

  37. on 16 Apr 2012 at 8:19 pm 37.DPK said …

    You would, because it shows how typically closed minded and prejudiced religious people are when their silly belief systems are threatened.
    It’s amazing how you all will offer tolerance and fellowship to other theists even when they disbelieve in your god, and worship a different god as expressly forbidden by your first commandment, yet you show nothing but hatred and spite for those who don’t believe in any gods. You are such a hypocrite, preaching a philosophy of love while practicing one of hate. You are pathetic and sad and your silly belief system should be mocked and ridiculed because it is ignorant and backward. End of story.

  38. on 16 Apr 2012 at 8:20 pm 38.Anonymous said …

    Who gives a damn what you think Suh? Why don’t you post some evidence instead of your inane babbling?

  39. on 16 Apr 2012 at 9:41 pm 39.Suh said …

    I show hate, intolerance and spite DPK? I never realized I harbored such animosity.

    I would like to deal with these issues before they go any further. Thanks for the heads up there DPK.

    This is a fascinating conclusion. To get us started could you provide my comments here or anywhere else that express these feelings?

    Thanks

  40. on 16 Apr 2012 at 10:58 pm 40.jlozano713 said …

    Theists will never provide empirical evidence because they simply do not have it. I am not here to call anyone stupid or delusional, i just want some concrete evidence of your god or any gods.

  41. on 16 Apr 2012 at 11:31 pm 41.alex said …

    “This is a fascinating conclusion. To get us started could you provide my comments here or anywhere else that express these feelings?”

    more diversions from a moron……Show me this, show me that.

    No, idiot. show your proof. who gives two shits about the rest of that crap? where, what, who is your god and why do you keep defending it?

    why do you even give two shits about atheists? do you feel threatened?

  42. on 18 Apr 2012 at 7:37 pm 42.Doug Fo said …

    Patrick, Dev, and Suh, we are waiting for evidence, not more misdirection and handwaiving.

    (1)Define God. Do not use weasel words or circular definitions.
    (2)Prove that that definition is not a logical paradox
    (3)Show proof that differs from the other ten thousand dieties man has worshipped, again without committing a logical error

    Until you do those three things….your worship of that deity is the intellectual equivalent a gibbering tribal primitive bowing before their god, UGABUGA.

    As to your list Patrick

    Hate Religion
    -if we believe it is a harmful force, why shouldn’t we?

    Use the word Delusion
    -since it actually meets the definition, as per this article, why shouldn’t we?

    Liberals
    -Like Ayn Rand?

    Obsessed with Religion
    -there are plenty of those who aren’t. They aren’t here. They are often referred to Apatheists. That’s actually the goal for a lot of atheists. Do I spend much time arguing about the many tailed fox spirits in Shintoism? I don’t believe in them any less or more than the Christian God, so why do I spend time on one and not the other. Because there isn’t a huge number of believers in many tailed fox spirits that are willing to harm people or abrogate their civil rights based on that belief

    Consider yourselves highly intelligent
    -nah just smarter than you. We figured out Christianity was a magic trick, and you didn’t

    Refuse to admit Communist are atheists
    -some are, and some aren’t. Look up Liberation Theology if you are capable of letting fact peirce through your delusions

    Relative Moralism
    -Yup. Because it is. Absolute Morality requires and absolute authority, there isn’t one, despite you thinking there is.

    Pro Abortion
    -If you mean “right to Choose” use the proper term and not be a dick about it.

    Democrats
    -again Libertarians and Objectivists are mostly atheistic

    Defend all atheists
    -wow this is completely and verifiably WRONG.

    Intolerant
    -I can tolerate things, just not people insisting made up things are true. I am intolerant of Bullcrap.

  43. on 29 Apr 2012 at 5:40 am 43.John said …

    The only way to rationally deny the existence of any god is to claim absolute knowledge and the only way to possess absolute knowledge is to be god. It’s a good thing you guys aren’t delusional.

  44. on 29 Apr 2012 at 8:27 am 44.Lou(DFW) said …

    43.John said …

    “The only way to rationally deny the existence of any god is to claim absolute knowledge and the only way to possess absolute knowledge is to be god. It’s a good thing you guys aren’t delusional.”

    Do you “rationally deny the existence” of Santa Claus?

  45. on 29 Apr 2012 at 4:31 pm 45.DPK said …

    “The only way to rationally deny the existence of any god is to claim absolute knowledge”

    So by John’s definition..any (and therefore all) gods are real. Including all of these:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_deities
    and countless others.
    Rational huh?

  46. on 29 Apr 2012 at 4:54 pm 46.John said …

    44. Lou said… “..Santa…”

    This tired old argument is used as a means of antagonism and on a surface level seems to be profound. This site is full of regurgitating other ideas without fully understanding them and this is another example. I’m surprised you didn’t also point out Icarus, Zeus, fairies, or the Easter Bunny.

    I would suggest that you do your homework on this issue and quit reading snippets from the home team, then reconsider God, removing the traditions of man and your own bias. Consider the possibility of a causal agent of information.

    The ramifications of our consciousness riding the seas of randomness ultimately bankrupts the concept of logic itself.

    Atheism is an irrational religion of humanism repackaged for “intellectual” consumption, freeing the heart to follow it’s desires to the darkest pit of indulgence and rebelling against the reality of information needing a catalyst beyond the scope of randomness. Ignoring the reality of a causal agent based on an elementary understanding and reinforced by theologians like Hitchens and Dawkins is ever bit as blind and immature your perception of other worldviews. The followers of your religion refuse to acknowledge they are kicking, screaming children mad at a God who refuses to follow their preconceptions of what God should be.

    For you, there is no evidence strong enough. There is no mountain high enough and there is not argument valid enough. This litmus test in the despair of life separates the wheat and chaff.

  47. on 30 Apr 2012 at 3:32 am 47.Lou (DFW) said …

    46.John said …

    “For you, there is no evidence strong enough. There is no mountain high enough and there is not argument valid enough. This litmus test in the despair of life separates the wheat and chaff.”

    All of your pompous posturing can be reduced to two simple to understand words – bull shit.

    It’s a thinly veiled way for you to say – “I have no evidence for god.”

    You lie about what constitutes evidence for god in order to avoid presenting it. Like 40 year-old dumb-ass, you define god in a way the prevents any evidence being presented.

    But I’ll listen, go ahead and tell me – what is your evidence for god? Don’t define what is NOT evidence FOR ME, define what is evidence FOR YOU.

    BTW, despite your long-winded, bull-shit reply you didn’t answer my question, not an argument – Do you “rationally deny the existence” of Santa Claus?

    It’s a simple question with a simple answer – yes or no.

  48. on 30 Apr 2012 at 3:43 am 48.Lou (DFW) said …

    46.John said …

    “Ignoring the reality of a causal agent based on an elementary understanding and reinforced by theologians like Hitchens and Dawkins is ever bit as blind and immature your perception of other worldviews.”

    For someone who pretends to be so clever, you aren’t particularly bright. You either think that they are/were theologians or expect us to believe your lies about them. Regardless, I became an atheist long before I ever heard of those two. As a matter of fact, at that time I was much more familiar with the names Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

  49. on 08 Sep 2012 at 10:28 am 49.Cogito ergo sum said …

    Ok, I’ll bite, even though no one’s responded for awhile. I believe in a God concept, not the Judeo-Christian god, but an all-encompassing being that we are a part of. I do however use Thomas Aquinas’ Quinque Viae as the basis/proof for my belief system.
    1)Unmoved mover
    2)Uncaused cause
    3)Contingency argument
    4)Degree
    5)Design

    Research them if you want to know their meanings. These proofs are heavily based off of Aristotle’s Metaphysics.

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