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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 01 Apr 2012 12:06 am

The fundamental insanity of religion

The fundamental insanity of religion is summarized in this image:

Santorum Twitter

This insanity is seen in the actions of Christians and Muslims, the thinking of religious politicians, the belief in prayer, etc. The insanity centers on the ability to talk about love when it is convenient or useful, and then to be hateful, racist, bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic, utterly selfish, etc. the rest of the time. No one with any intelligence could read the Bible and believe that “God” has anything to do with “love” – His actions in the Bible are, by and large, abominable. God’s followers tend to act in just the same way. No one could listen to Rick Santorum and not understand the hateful core that permeates his thinking.

It leads one to believe that religion is nothing more than a convenient cover for hate.

53 Responses to “The fundamental insanity of religion”

  1. on 01 Apr 2012 at 11:58 pm 1.Anonymous said …

    The wisdom of Rick Santorum, which is no doubt bequeathed by the holy spirit:

    http://imgur.com/a/lY1bs

  2. on 02 Apr 2012 at 12:18 pm 2.jack Jones said …

    I can see you are bitter,

    Why not start a website called “How to help people who are bitter becuase they are amputees?”

    Maybe something positive could add something positive to you.

    Hate only fuels the hate already in you.

    God Bless

  3. on 02 Apr 2012 at 1:09 pm 3.ReligionIsStupid said …

    And your evidence that this bronze-age god of yours exists, would be what?

  4. on 02 Apr 2012 at 2:52 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    When a person like Rick Santorum (and his millions of followers) are criticized for their homophobia, racism, misogyny, etc., it is not because of bitterness. It is because Rick Santorum and his followers are fundamentally hateful people. Humanity would be better off if we expunged his delusion.

  5. on 02 Apr 2012 at 3:21 pm 5.DPK said …

    So anyone who is rational enough to point out the absurdities of your silly beliefs is “bitter” and “hateful”? Feel persecuted much?
    Just because we don’t accept your beliefs in ancient superstitious nonsense doesn’t make us “negative”>
    In fact, I’d dare say this website offers a positive message… you don’t need an imaginary god to be happy, and there is nothing to be gained by believing in things that simply are not true.
    Knowledge is power, and religion is poison.

  6. on 02 Apr 2012 at 7:29 pm 6.Burebista said …

    Mr RI Stupid,

    Why have you changed your name from Mr Q?

    Anony,

    Why are you so hateful and bigoted? Were you bullied and picked on as a little Anony?

    DPK,

    Why do continue to try and convince the vast majority there is no God? Its not working, we know thee is a God. The continued ramblings of lunatics will not change what we see so vividly.

    This website offers a positive message as much as the website of Hugo Chavez.

  7. on 02 Apr 2012 at 8:13 pm 7.DPK said …

    Oh Hor, Burebista, et al…
    Back to your nonsense again huh?
    I’m not here to convince anyone… you are the one that keep haunting an atheist site making positive claims about the reality of something you have yet to demonstrate. “We know thee is a God” [sic].
    You “know” no such thing. Maybe you believe there is, but knowing implies certainty, and since you cannot demonstrate the existence of your god, that makes you a liar.
    If you “know thee is a God”.. why are you so threatened by what is said here? Threatened to the point of posting under multiple personalities trying to make it look like “we” is actually more than “you”, an obviously insecure believer?

  8. on 02 Apr 2012 at 9:43 pm 8.Joel said …

    Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. Reading through the thread it is not the Christian who expounds on God but the Atheists who continually bemoan the God who does not exist. Why the obsession and the tortured hearts and mind? It amazes me to find persons who fight, argue and rant against something which he does not at all believe exists. Atheists express their rage against God and His adherents although in their view He does not exist? No, no, it is obvious there is within every Atheist a great desire to believe.

  9. on 02 Apr 2012 at 10:43 pm 9.alex said …

    “No, no, it is obvious there is within every Atheist a great desire to believe.”

    wrong. i rant because of theists obsession with:
    1. kid molesting
    2. racism
    3. misogyny
    4. homophobia
    5. death penalty
    5a. abortion
    6. creationism
    7. general intolerance

    am I wrong to protest?
    care to add?

  10. on 02 Apr 2012 at 11:40 pm 10.Joel said …

    “i rant because of theists obsession with:”

    I too am appalled at the atheists/humanist. christians/universlist/Jews/Muslims/agnostics/ambivalent who participate in such endeavors.

    Join with me in eradicating these horrors. Either accept God or not, then move on and do some good for humanity. Your obsession with the God, you claim does not exists, tells of your real obsession.

    Good Day

  11. on 02 Apr 2012 at 11:49 pm 11.alex said …

    “Either accept God or not, then move on and do some good for humanity.”

    the old “you’re either with us or against us” eh?

    I guess we should shut down the site. thanks mister joel. go fuck yourself?

  12. on 03 Apr 2012 at 1:08 am 12.Anonymous said …

    > Join with me in eradicating these horrors.

    Which we do by eliminating religion.

  13. on 03 Apr 2012 at 1:22 am 13.Horpes said …

    6.Burebista said …

    “Why do continue to try and convince the vast majority there is no God?”

    Which “God”?

    ONLY for the sake of argument, let’s concede a falsehood here: all Christians worship the same God. That this is false is clear, but we’re conceding it (which means we’re not going to worry about that it’s false for those selectively illiterate in the audience). So… all Christians worship the same God, and around 68% of the world doesn’t worship that God. Not a majority.

    ONLY for the sake of argument, let’s concede a bigger falsehood here: all Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the same God. That this is false is also clear, but we’re conceding it. So… all of the Abrahamics worship the same God, and they total up to about 54% of the population. That IS a majority, but I don’t think it’s a “vast” majority by any stretch.

    See? Most people DON’T actually share your beliefs. Since “most people think this way” implies they’re right in your (non)-logic, that should be enough to convince you that you’re wrong about your God.

  14. on 03 Apr 2012 at 1:27 am 14.Lou (DFW) said …

    13.Horpes said …

    6.Burebista said …

    “Why do continue to try and convince the vast majority there is no God?”

    “Which “God”?”

    Yes, everybody is an atheist until it comes to their god. If only they could only eliminate a belief in that one god out of the hundreds of others, too.

  15. on 03 Apr 2012 at 2:35 am 15.Slapnuts McGee said …

    Rick Santorum is a fucking idiot. ‘Nuff said.

  16. on 03 Apr 2012 at 4:43 am 16.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Joel said… Join with me in eradicating these horrors. Either accept God or not, then move on and do some good for humanity.

    Quite correct, Joel. Eradicating the horror of religion by not accepting any gods would do a world of good for humanity.

  17. on 03 Apr 2012 at 6:08 pm 17.Boz said …

    “Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.”

    Joel, you mean you don’t hang out at the No Santa website?

    They need acceptance and reassurance but I think it is God’s way of giving them an opportunity to come to their senses.

  18. on 03 Apr 2012 at 8:25 pm 18.alex said …

    “….you don’t hang out at the No Santa website?”

    do santa freaks run for public office? do anta freaks put “in santa we trust” on currency? do santa freaks say “stone adulterers”? do santa freaks go around saying santa nonbelievers are morons? do santa freaks go around collecting money to decorate the great north pole cathedral?

    freakin troll…..

  19. on 03 Apr 2012 at 8:33 pm 19.Lou (DFW) said …

    17.Bozo said …

    “Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.”

    “Joel, you mean you don’t hang out at the No Santa website?”

    That comment demonstrates the enormousness of your stupidity.

  20. on 03 Apr 2012 at 9:00 pm 20.Lou (DFW) said …

    10.Joel said …

    “Either accept God or not, then move on and do some good for humanity.”

    Yet here you and other theists are, lying about atheists without EVER presenting evidence of your imaginary god, while insisting that fairy-tale stories of creation be taught as fact in public schools, that your religious slogans and “commandments” that you don’t follow be printed on public coins and currency and engraved on public buildings, that tax exempt status be afforded for your institutions of “worship,” and that everybody be required to accept your public displays of holiday tradition. Right, move on and do some good for humanity, damned hypocrite.

  21. on 04 Apr 2012 at 12:18 am 21.40 year Atheist said …

    David Silverman, President of American Atheists, organizer of the recent “Reason Rally” in Washington DC:

    ”What I am doing is not giving religion respect that it wants but it doesn’t deserve. I respect people; I respect humans. I do not respect religion. And I do not respect the idea that religion deserves respect.”

    CNN:
    ”That attitude has made Silverman a bogeyman for religious groups, especially conservative ones who discern a secular assault on American religion.”

    Bogeyman? No, an avowed enemy. Atheists who claim reason for their demonstrably irrational worldview are dangerous. They are reacting, in the same manner that skepticism only reacts, never creates, and is useless without the target of contempt; they are angry and they are deluded by their own self-endowed, self-perceived righteous elitism.

    The “Reason Rally” was not an attempt to promote either deductive logic or Popperian empiricism; it was a venue for displaying their Atheist contempt. It was a celebration of adolescent cursing into loudspeakers on the national mall. Atheism has nothing of a positive nature to celebrate, because it has only rejection as a foundational base. But it generates plenty of contempt, and a surfeit when they assemble in order to disgorge it publically.

    In order to laminate respectability over their purely negative rejection and contempt, they claim “reason” and “science” and “logic”, yet they have no idea regarding what reason entails, what science can and cannot do, or how to form an axiom-grounded deductive syllogism. What’s more, they don’t care. For them, it is enough to make the claim of possessing rationality for themselves as an idol, and then go straight to ridicule, derision and scorn, subsequently feeling quite fulfilled by that. And then demanding respect for their impropitious worldview and behaviors.

    Atheism does not possess reason, nor does reason generate Atheism unless fallacy is allowed free run in the “reasoning” field. Reason is a disciplined path to knowledge; Atheism and skepticism are merely dead end rejectionism, with no ability in and of themselves to create anything other than more rejectionism. The veneer of rationality is too thin to even notice as it is punctured by actual logic. As we have observed here in the past, when the veneer is punctured, the typical Atheist response is to deny the validity of the tool which punctures, rather than to accept the existence of the wound. And that is where the individual Atheist rejects the Atheist claim of rationality in order to preserve the Atheist narrative: worldview death by non-coherence.

  22. on 04 Apr 2012 at 1:03 am 22.Anonymous said …

    All about Stan and his lies – http://www.wearesmrt.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8470

  23. on 04 Apr 2012 at 1:21 am 23.Lou (DFW) said …

    21.40 year Atheist said …

    “Atheism does not possess reason, nor does reason generate Atheism [sic]…”

    In what way does that differ from religion or a belief in god for which there’s no evidence?

  24. on 04 Apr 2012 at 11:25 am 24.Lou (DFW) said …

    “21.40 year Atheist said …

    And that is where the individual Atheist rejects the Atheist claim of rationality in order to preserve the Atheist narrative: worldview death by non-coherence.”

    “22.Anonymous said …

    All about Stan and his lies – http://www.wearesmrt.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8470

    Obviously, there’s something wrong with Stan/40YOA. Are his delusional, irrational, nonsensical ramblings a symptom of or the disease itself from which he suffers?

  25. on 04 Apr 2012 at 5:52 pm 25.MrQ said …

    40YA
    So, let me ask of you the one question that sends the theists here running for the hills:

    Can you tell me the age of the planet Earth? Is it younger than 10,000 years? Less than a million years? or older than 2 billion years?

    Use the rational worldview that you’ve conjured up for yourself and answer this simple question. There was a poster here who went by the moniker “Horatio/Horatiio” (He/she was just “The Hor” to me) who claimed the answer was 4.5 billion years for the age of our planet Earth.

  26. on 04 Apr 2012 at 9:52 pm 26.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Poor Stan, he seems blissfully unaware that a valid syllogism doesn’t necessarily produce “truth”.

    He seems to love to make sweeping and ridiculous generalizations based on nothing other than, what in the real world is called, “making shit up”. Having constructed his generalization (hypocritically, of course, as he uses the charges of generalization or category error to stop people critiquing his nonsense), he then goes on to produce some world-class non-sequiturs. Pages of rambling pseudo-intelluctual word salad all designed to arrive at the nonsense conclusion his confirmation bias desires.

    With his love affair with the word axiom he would do well to understand the computer axiom Garbage In, Garbage Out, hence Stan’s rants can be reduced to four letters – GIGO.

  27. on 05 Apr 2012 at 2:01 am 27.Boz said …

    “Atheists who claim reason for their demonstrably irrational worldview are dangerous.”

    40YA

    So many great points I could only chose one. As long as we keep these people out of power, they remain relatively harmless. A great use of the web is to keep them engaged here and not in areas where they can do harm.

    If we could get the Black Panthers, the Rainbow coalition and Obama on the web more maybe they could be of less harm.

  28. on 05 Apr 2012 at 2:03 am 28.Boz said …

    “The “Reason Rally” was not an attempt to promote either deductive logic or Popperian empiricism”

    I saw some interviews from the rally. Great comedy. They couldn’t figure out why they were there.

  29. on 05 Apr 2012 at 2:37 am 29.Lou (DFW) said …

    28.Boz said …

    “They couldn’t figure out why they were there.”

    Nor can we figure out why you are here except to pump-up and back-slap 40YA, because you NEVER, EVER provide any evidence of your imaginary god.

  30. on 05 Apr 2012 at 2:47 am 30.Lou (DFW) said …

    27.Bozo said …

    “Atheists who claim reason for their demonstrably irrational worldview are dangerous.”

    Really? Then demonstrate that rejection of your “worldview” is irrational and dangerous – but you can’t because what you write is a lie.

    “A great use of the web is to keep them engaged here and not in areas where they can do harm.”

    Except that you don’t, unless you consider lying and intellectual dishonesty to be engaging. Let’s see you actually engage us – provide some evidence for your imaginary god. But wait, you can’t, because no such evidence exists. So you may continue with your lying about your imaginary god and atheists because that’s all you have.

  31. on 05 Apr 2012 at 2:49 am 31.Lou (DFW) said …

    26.ReligionIsStupid said …

    “He seems to love to make sweeping and ridiculous generalizations based on nothing other than, what in the real world is called, “making shit up”.

    A.k.a lying, something Hor/Bozo understands, accepts, promotes, and “engage[s]” us with.

  32. on 05 Apr 2012 at 9:31 pm 32.Biff said …

    “It was a celebration of adolescent cursing into loudspeakers on the national mall.”

    That is the one thing they do accept. They demonstrate a very limited vocabulary and a rejection of manners, respect and acceptance of others.

  33. on 05 Apr 2012 at 10:25 pm 33.Lou (DFW) said …

    32.Biff said …

    “It was a celebration of adolescent cursing into loudspeakers on the national mall.”

    “That is the one thing they do accept. They demonstrate a very limited vocabulary and a rejection of manners, respect and acceptance of others.”

    FYI – nobody speaks or sings “into loudspeakers.”

    That being said, other than your usual lie about atheists, where is your evidence for your imaginary god?

  34. on 05 Apr 2012 at 10:56 pm 34.Lou (DFW) said …

    32.Biff said …

    “That is the one thing they do accept. They demonstrate a very limited vocabulary and a rejection of manners, respect and acceptance of others.”

    You mean similar to the theist, xtian, Westboro Baptist Church members when they protest at funerals? Please compare for us anything that was said or done at the Reason Rally to the Westboro Baptist Church funeral protests.

  35. on 05 Apr 2012 at 11:07 pm 35.a said …

    Some headlines. Reasonable? Well, to the gullible and foolish.

    “‘BRING YOUR KIDS!’: ATHEIST PERFORMER DROPS 75+ F-BOMBS ON STAGE AT ‘REASON RALLY’ (WARNING: EXPLICIT VIDEO)”

    Reason Rally’s unreasonable beliefs
    By Cal Thomas
    How appropriate that the “atheist rally,” also known by organizers as the “reason rally” was held so close to April 1, because “The fool has said in his heart, ‘there is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1) April Fool’s Day, get it?

    Try to make it to the ant-santa rally in december friendly atheists.

  36. on 06 Apr 2012 at 12:41 am 36.alex said …

    35.a said …

    even if atheists are all total morons, what does that got to do with your imaginary god? huh? typical diversionary tactic and predictable FAIL.

    …but officer, I was only going 10mph over the speed limit. that atheist was going over 20mph!

  37. on 06 Apr 2012 at 1:55 am 37.Lou (DFW) said …

    35.a said …

    “How appropriate that the “atheist rally,” also known by organizers as the “reason rally” was held so close to April 1, because “The fool has said in his heart, ‘there is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1) April Fool’s Day, get it?”

    No less appropriate than is the alleged son of god allegedly being resurrected close to April Fools’ Day. April Fools’ Day, get it?

    But really, is that the best you can do?

  38. on 06 Apr 2012 at 3:55 pm 38.DPK said …

    What they want really is for atheists to sit quietly in the back of the bus and keep mindful of their “place”.
    People behaving badly and treating others with disrespect and intolerance… you really think that is an isolated characteristic of non-theists?

    What the faithful masses really want, since they can no longer burn us at the stake or throw us in the dungeon, is for us to stop talking and threatening their fantasy world, in other words, go away so we don’t have to think about it anymore.

  39. on 06 Apr 2012 at 11:27 pm 39.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Four of Hor’s sock-puppets in one thread! He must really be rattled by religion’s continuing descent into irrelevancy.

  40. on 07 Apr 2012 at 12:30 am 40.DPK said …

    They are terrified. Why else are they constantly on here desperately looking for validation?

  41. on 07 Apr 2012 at 2:13 am 41.Burebista said …

    Hey, Mr. Stupid broke back out his Mr Q puppet. Great timing Mr Stupid!

    I had a feeling hey would bring back Mr Q in attempt to hide his multiple personality disorder.

    Thank you for the huge laugh. The thought of any Christian needing validation from WWGHA is hilarious. You can’t even see that the fact you would hate Jesus so much and put out blogs to attack Jesus is validation. He taught us this would happen.

    Thank you.

  42. on 07 Apr 2012 at 2:15 am 42.alex said …

    “..religion’s continuing descent into irrelevancy..”

    I don’t share your optimistic viewpoint and I could be wrong. There is a correlation between the education level and the rejection of religion. It depresses me to think the education level in this country is degrading which promotes the kind of backwards religious thinking….

    Additionally, them damn religious fanatics with their stance on birth control, breed like wabbits. I guess, more kids equal more fanatics.

    Somebody cheer me up. Facts please.

  43. on 07 Apr 2012 at 2:38 am 43.alex said …

    “You can’t even see that the fact you would hate Jesus so much and put out blogs to attack Jesus is validation.”

    hating a nonexistant? wtf? do i hate unicorns? i code a site debunking ufos and that makes me a ufo hater?

    did you finish high school? your mom’s prenatal test suggested abortion and your mom refused?

    go ahead and trot out your virgin mary statute. a link will work. i’ll accept it as your god proof.

  44. on 07 Apr 2012 at 3:10 am 44.Purepista said …

    41.Burebista said …

    “He [Jesus] taught us this would happen.”

    Oh yeah… the old validation by vague prophetic people will hate me claims schtick. I love that one. That’s like saying Hitler would have been right about that whole hating-Jews thing if he had openly predicted “some people (like Jews) won’t like this and will call me an enemy, but I do the Lord’s work.” Oh, wait–he said some stuff very much like that.

  45. on 07 Apr 2012 at 3:18 am 45.DPK said …

    “Thank you for the huge laugh. The thought of any Christian needing validation from WWGHA is hilarious.”
    And yet, here you are… again. And do you bring any evidence for your imaginary friend? No, you bring schoolyard level name calling and taunts. Enough said.

    “You can’t even see that the fact you would hate Jesus so much and put out blogs to attack Jesus is validation. He taught us this would happen.”

    Well, Lou’s purple dishwasher gnome told us that people would say he wasn’t real. Now, if he wasn’t real AND magical, how would he know that?? The fact that you don’t believe in him is proof that he is real, because he predicted exactly that!

    The strangest part is, you don’t even realize how completely inane your argument is. To you, it seems logical.

  46. on 07 Apr 2012 at 4:49 am 46.Purepista said …

    45.DPK said …

    “The strangest part is, you don’t even realize how completely inane your argument is. To you, it seems logical.”

    Man, these are people who watch William Lane Craig talk, see his smug face spew a semi-valid syllogism that assumes its initial premises, and think it constitutes proof. They do this all while failing to realize that if WLC had been born in Afghanistan, his smug mug and syllogistic ways would be wowing them with the reality of Allah… or not. Their “logic” rides a short bus.

  47. on 07 Apr 2012 at 1:51 pm 47.Lou (DFW) said …

    41.Burebista said …

    “Thank you for the huge laugh. The thought of any Christian needing validation from WWGHA is hilarious.”

    Burp denies it then…

    “You can’t even see that the fact you would hate Jesus so much and put out blogs to attack Jesus is validation. He taught us this would happen.”

    … then he uses the alleged atheists on WWGHA “hate” for Jesus as validation! Unbelievable!

  48. on 07 Apr 2012 at 1:53 pm 48.Lou (DFW) said …

    42.alex said …

    “Additionally, them damn religious fanatics with their stance on birth control, breed like wabbits. I guess, more kids equal more fanatics.”

    Actually, that’s true. That’s why the catholic church forbade birth control.

  49. on 07 Apr 2012 at 5:14 pm 49.DPK said …

    It has been a while since I read the bible, but I don’t recall the part where Jesus instructed his disciples to call non-believers “Mr. Stupid” and other school yard taunts. Bur, er, Hor, er, whoever you are today, did that come before or after the “sell everything you own and give it to the poor” commandment?
    You Jesus lovers are so comical. You swear he is the son of god, yet you disobey his direct instructions.
    Why is that?

  50. on 07 Apr 2012 at 5:32 pm 50.alex said …

    “…but I don’t recall the part where Jesus instructed his disciples to call non-believers “Mr. Stupid” and other school yard taunts.”

    ….well, jesus did curse the fig tree. i guess, the taunting is indeed a logical extension. some other theist prolly misread the “curse the fig” and instead read “curse the fag”, therefore validating homophobia.

  51. on 09 Apr 2012 at 3:34 am 51.MrQ said …

    40YA,
    Have an answer for post #25? Still waiting…tick…tock…

    Hey, Bure, why don’t you try?
    *news flash* FACTS: The posts I make are my own. I do not live in the USA and do not know anyone else on this site. It is obvious that you, Xenon, Hor, Cur, and several others are likely in the same congregation or, at the very least, know each other. And I would guess that there are some “from the other side” who also work in groups. I, however, am a lone wolf of reason and logic. I won’t take credit for anything other than what I post.

  52. on 26 Apr 2012 at 9:57 pm 52.Taylor P. said …

    While i agree with most of the information i’ve heard/read from this site, i do not agree with the fact that you refer to ‘religion’ as a whole. While you are safe to group Christianity, Islam and Judaism, it’s trying to throw Buddhism in the mix that i do not agree with. Buddhism is more of a way of life that teaches followers to live a more peaceful life, and search for a deeper quality of life rather than a ploy to blindfold its followers and lead them to the slaughterhouse, as the three mentioned before.

    Sincerely,
    Taylor P.

  53. on 30 Apr 2012 at 12:53 am 53.John said …

    I think Godless Monkey had a good point. She said all atheists don’t believe the same thing in another post we were discussing. I know all christians don’t believe the same things and I am sure it’s true for other religions as well. The only way to ever get to the bottom of this is to set aside our biases and start understanding each other.

    I try to do this by watching Atheistic television shows and I like certain personalities like Bill Maher. I want to know what you guys believe as much as possible so I am not blinded by a bankrupt worldview.

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