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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 10 Mar 2012 12:41 am

How religion and its associated conservatism destroys a country

A very interesting analysis of religion’s retrograde effects in Texas:

I’m just curious… Why do so many Americans want to get out?

A U.S. Senator demonstrates his religious insanity:

James Inhofe Says the Bible refutes climate change

How did the United States become so backward?

116 Responses to “How religion and its associated conservatism destroys a country”

  1. on 10 Mar 2012 at 1:07 pm 1.Anonymous said …

    The opposite of religion

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIZU8cQWXc

  2. on 12 Mar 2012 at 8:42 pm 2.Boz said …

    What a delusion.

    Forbes recently did an article on the top 10 impoverished cities in America. What did they have in common? DNC controlled governments.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UWl7YqSlQI

    Ouch, facts hurt.

  3. on 12 Mar 2012 at 8:46 pm 3.Boz said …

    I read this line and now know this guy is a phony..

    “Politics didn’t always used to be such a touchy subject, but ever since Obama came into office the right-wing has gone completely insane.”

    Ha Ha Ha, Obviously has not been here for any period of time or his whole story is made up. Across the pond they have fist fights in parliament. Maybe he was in a psychiatric ward when Bush was in office.

  4. on 12 Mar 2012 at 9:08 pm 4.alex said …

    2.Boz said …

    3.Boz said …

    you forgot the “o” after your name. good work, bozo. you cut and paste an article and you thump your chest, hey! hey! looky what i foundy! ha! ha!

    try something original? like, where is your god?

  5. on 12 Mar 2012 at 10:32 pm 5.Curmudgeon said …

    Look at the intro of this thread Boz. Why do “SO” many Americans want out.

    Then he goes on to quote one guy’s made up story. He is definitely a member of the DNC. The biggest bunch of liars since the dawn of man.

    If the guy is real, good riddance. One less problem American.

  6. on 12 Mar 2012 at 10:45 pm 6.DPK said …

    “The biggest bunch of liars since the dawn of man.”

    Nope, that honor would belong to the churches. No question.
    hahaha….

  7. on 12 Mar 2012 at 11:27 pm 7.Lou (DFW) said …

    5.Curmudgeon said …

    “Then he goes on to quote one guy’s made up story. He is definitely a member of the DNC. The biggest bunch of liars since the dawn of man.”

    ALL politicians are liars – Republican, Democrat, etc. But they pale in comparison to the “biggest bunch of liars since the dawn of man” – the churches and the faithful who promote them. And Crum/Hor/Bozo is one of them.

  8. on 12 Mar 2012 at 11:29 pm 8.Lou (DFW) said …

    2.Boz said …

    “What a delusion.”

    Belief in an imaginary god…

    “Ouch, facts hurt.”

    The fact is that you have no evidence for your imaginary god.

  9. on 12 Mar 2012 at 11:34 pm 9.Lou (DFW) said …

    3.Boz said …

    I read this line and now know this guy is a phony..

    “Politics didn’t always used to be such a touchy subject, but ever since Obama came into office the right-wing has gone completely insane.”

    “Ha Ha Ha, Obviously has not been here for any period of time or his whole story is made up. Across the pond they have fist fights in parliament. Maybe he was in a psychiatric ward when Bush was in office.”

    Congrats! Bozo set a new WWGHA blog record for consecutive Non-Sequiturs.

  10. on 13 Mar 2012 at 12:12 am 10.40 year Atheist said …

    In Britain there is more emphasis on controlling the non-perpetrators than the perpetrators. If a person defends himself inappropriately, he will be jailed for up to life. If a person defends his property, there is no “appropriate” defense and again the victim, the property defender, is jailed. The police should handle these things; but the police are inefficient and unarmed to the point of complete emasculinization. These points are not new, except in their deviation from British law from a century ago.

    What is new is the entitlement generations that have grown up in western nations. Entitlement cultures have led to the breakdown of the family, the disappearance of father figures, and the expectation of government support regardless of any effort at self-improvement or contribution in return. Entitlement is a dangerous thing. It leads to the expectation of equality without effort, and in the case of Leftist society, the equality is to that of the hated rich who are railed against constantly. So there is no reason not to speed up the egalitarian process by just taking what you want: it is a natural extension of entitlement; in that worldview it is entirely rational.

    Combining these two situations, the impotence of the state against anyone other than the peaceful, and the entitlement of idle, rootless youth, the warfare seen in Britain is a natural outcome. Even the manner in which the warfare is executed could be predicted: the youths using Blackberries calling mobs together for attacks on merchants and homeowners, and the police unable to respond except after the fact, and then charging property defenders with the crime of property defense.

    The war is entirely unsymmetrical in favor of the feral children, with the productive citizens left bereft and fuming in their wake. It is an unsymmetrical war of both numbers and regulations which favor the feral children including the inability of unarmed authorities to engage their mobs even with water cannons, which might put out the feral’s torches and possibly cause them to fall and scrape an elbow.

    It is a disgusting display of Leftist principles which excuse the criminals because they are not responsible for the problems of their social position: society is responsible and has not given them enough. But there is never enough, it would seem: the ferals are wearing expensive clothing and bearing modern electronics which they use to co-ordinate their flash attacks. They are not emaciated victims. They are merely entitled to their idleness, their lack of educational drive and hence their lack of marketable skills, and their ultimate irascibility. The poor dears don’t have a chance and are entitled to, well, to more of everything. So they are taking it.

    Such wars are an obscenity on civilization. If there is to be any non-symmetry, it should not be in the favor of the barbarians we create with entitlements. There should not be any entitlements. There should be benefits that are accompanied by responsibilities, such as to get an education, at least to the point that one is employable and productive. This is no longer an entitlement, it is a system of action / consequence, one of cause and effect. The idea of entitlement is that one gets without giving, consequence without any attached action, an effect without a corresponding cause. So the consequence has no measurable limit since it is not measured against a comparable requirement of action from the entitled recipient. A consequence of this nature, then, is unlimited, at least in the expectation of the entitled.

    According to Leftist cant however, no action is required for enabling entitlement: society caused the problem and the recipient has no responsibility in the matter. Thus the Leftist method of non-symmetrical gifting without any responsible action in return results in the expected: non-symmetrical expectations from the entitled.

  11. on 13 Mar 2012 at 4:24 am 11.DPK said …

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………

    Sorry Stan.
    Do you just troll here looking for something you think is relevant so you can cut and paste your tirades from your blog? Like, you saw a reference to the UK and said…. “ew, ew, ew….. I wrote something about England!!!!! Let me find it and paste it here so everyone will be impressed with my skill with a thesaurus.”

  12. on 13 Mar 2012 at 6:28 am 12.Anonymous said …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuI2LEKHGiQ

  13. on 13 Mar 2012 at 5:17 pm 13.Dez said …

    40Y

    How so very true. The Libs make up things like War on Woman! and the Conservs who want Grandma to Die! while in reality we should are be pulling our weight rather than adding record numbers to the government tit. No coincidence Libs want to keep the dead and illegals on the voting rosters. The more dependents they have the more votes they can garner.

  14. on 13 Mar 2012 at 5:48 pm 14.ReligionIsStupid said …

    DPK, is using a thesaurus to pad out his “Stan sez” rants and raves that demonstrate anger and bitterness over an unfulfilled life a skill, or simply an indication of how lacking in self-awareness our little wannabe commentator actually is?

  15. on 13 Mar 2012 at 6:18 pm 15.A said …

    “According to Leftist cant however, no action is required for enabling entitlement”

    That is because they don’t want to have any “skin in the game”. That is just for the others’ 40-year. They are extremely generous, but only with others’ resources, money and time. They have one care, power for themselves and will keep this power at all costs.

  16. on 13 Mar 2012 at 7:56 pm 16.Lou (DFW) said …

    13.Dez said …

    “How so very true. The Libs make up things like War on Woman! and the Conservs who want Grandma to Die! while in reality we should are be pulling our weight rather than adding record numbers to the government tit. No coincidence Libs want to keep the dead and illegals on the voting rosters. The more dependents they have the more votes they can garner.”

    What people like Dez fail to understand and address is that right-wing conservatism has its basis in religious quackery, and a large number of its supporters are religious whack-jobs.

    To be fair, left-wing liberalism has its problems, too. But they’re not rooted in religion. Paradoxically, liberal policies of government welfare and entitlements are more closely related to the xtian philosophy of helping the poor and needy. Ironically, xtain whack-jobs are those who are most critical of such policies, even though it’s their churches that suckle at the “government tit” while the Catholic Church is worth billions.

    And now back to our regularly scheduled programming – where is your evidence for your imaginary god?

  17. on 13 Mar 2012 at 8:06 pm 17.ReligionIsStupid said …

    And now back to our regularly scheduled programming – where is your evidence for your imaginary god?

    Same place as A’s,Ben’s, Boz’s,
    Curmudgeon’s, Hor’s, Xenons’s, Tom’s ‘undeniable’ truths. It exists only in their programmed responses.

  18. on 14 Mar 2012 at 12:37 am 18.Suh said …

    40 Year,

    Europe is full of victomology. Obama and the regime also favor victomology, such as woman not getting free contraceptives. This means the GOP hates woman. You must be willing to give away everything free or you become a hater. Always tickled when I see the charitable donations of liberals vs conservatives. Not too much giving the the liberals.

    I remain in awe that Obama, a man who is not qualified to be a CEO of even a small company somehow gained the POTUS. We have the Dummycrats to thank for thinking this was an American Idol competition.

  19. on 14 Mar 2012 at 1:13 am 19.alex said …

    “a man who is not qualified to be a CEO of even a small company”

    …more baseless assertions. enjoying your freedom of speech? even unfounded ones? sorto, like god is great?

    “We have the Dummycrats to thank for thinking this was an American Idol competition.”

    ?more of the same? suh? is that sir? as in southern?
    states rights to own slaves? oh right, emancipation is another liberal fantasy…wait a second!

    damn, you’re making me lose focus. uhhm, where is that god proof again?

  20. on 14 Mar 2012 at 1:49 am 20.Xenon said …

    The Emancipation Proclamtion which was initiated and supported by the GOP.

    The 1964 Civil Rights Act also passed because the GOP out lasted that bigot Robert Byrd’s filibuster, who continued in the DNC party for decades.

    GOP has always been there for Americans while the DNC is only there when they want their vote.

    About the woman. What name has that great statesman Bill Maher NOT called woman? Then our fine POTUS willing takes the 1mil contribution from Maher into his campaign chest. Yes, he really does care, about money.

    Maybe Barrack should look into being a welfare daddy.

  21. on 14 Mar 2012 at 2:17 am 21.alex said …

    20.Xenon said …

    blah! blah! blah!

    where is your idiot god you keep defending. powerless and imagined. he giveth you the power of unending redemption so you can rationalize and commit your countless perversions. that’s right you closet homos, don’t give me that shit about all “other crimes nonbelievers commit”, that’s just a sidestep.. just like the idiot mozlems. burn they kohrain and dey get bent because allah is so defenseless.

    …now correct my typos and grammar, since you ain’t got no proof.

  22. on 14 Mar 2012 at 11:39 am 22.Matthew Chance said …

    “Let us raise a standard to which even the wise and honest may repair.”
    - George Washington

    “Let us set a standard to which noone will have to repair.”
    - Barrack Obama*

    *Not an actual quote, just a parody on Washington’s quote to emphasize how far this country has veered from it’s original intent. America is centered on hard work, honest transactions, and FAITHFUL people. Providence can be seen, and was seen, throughout the history of America. It takes a pure drive of belief to overcome what we Americans overcame, we fought for freedom because we believed that “all men are created equal under God.” Would the freedom we have today be as just if we were a country established by anybody but devout Christians seeking to become a “City on a Hill” to model God’s freedom and justice to the rest of the world?

  23. on 14 Mar 2012 at 11:43 am 23.Matthew Chance said …

    Bottom line, Without a vision the people perish. Liberal ideology protects the individual, Conservative ideology ensures the viability of the system. Without both wings, a plane can’t fly. Our left wing and right wing have become severely disconnected while we citizens grab for oxygen masks and life vest and hope we land in water.

  24. on 14 Mar 2012 at 11:54 am 24.Matthew Chance said …

    16. Lou

    Isn’t using the term “xtian” a little ignorant? I understand if you don’t believe in Christ and want to celebrate Christmas calling it “Xmas”, but this term is referring to something that is not pertaining to you or your beliefs. Christians have the right to continue to believe in the God that made America and His son who was slain so that all could have a fair opportunity to see the Truth, just as you have the right to deny his existence. Don’t be so spiteful in your post and it will add to your credibility. I want to believe you are a well educated, reasonable human being, and that post compromises my ability to.

  25. on 14 Mar 2012 at 11:58 am 25.Matthew Chance said …

    Oh, and Lou, my evidence is my experience, just as yours is for your belief. It is all any of us have to derive our beliefs from…

  26. on 14 Mar 2012 at 12:46 pm 26.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Matthew, first like so many Xtians you jump up and play the persecuted martyr. Stop it, it just makes you look like a little girl crying in the playground because someone took away her little dolly. It does nothing for your credibility.

    Frankly, the fact that you don’t like the term Xtian is your problem. Of course, that you don’t even know the origin of the term and you falsely claim it to be “ignorant” shows, again, your ignorance. Don’t worry, though, most Xtians haven’t a clue about their religion or its origins. You’re not alone, so don’t feel bad about it.

    Who said anything about stopping you have your beliefs? Lou didn’t, so why are you lying about what he said? You can have them, you just need to keep them private, not base decisions that affect others around them, and not pass them off as anything other than fantasy. Just treat them the same as, say, belief in Thor, or Zeus, and we’ll all be happy.

    You don’t believe in Zeus, do you? How would you feel if people wanted to force government to be based around stories from the Greek legends? How about the fables of Atlantis?

    Let me guess… you can’t answer his questions so you’ll try to claim to be victimized. Poor little Xtian, upset because someone is mocking him for thinking that goat-herder superstitions reflect real life events. Although if you think that your god made America, you are really lacking in a connection to reality. There’s no way around that. Where is your evidence that your god “made America”?

    Just because you base what you want to think is real on “belief” it doesn’t mean other people are as uneducated and naive as you.

    Lou is educated in that he doesn’t think that the camp-fire stories of a bunch of uneducated nomadic bronze-age goat-herders are anything other than myths and fairy tales. If you were to work on your education, you’d find that out too. You shouldn’t blame other people for your failings.

    So your “experience” is your “evidence”. What a cop-out! We note that you don’t list what your “evidence” is. In other words, you don’t have any. My guess is that your “experience” will consist of things that happen to people who believe in other gods, or no gods. Your “experience” will turn out to be no different to a world in which gods don’t exist – not surprising considering that they don’t exist.

    This is why you are mocked. This is why we can’t take people like you seriously.

    So, as they say, “shit or get off the pot”.

    Produce evidence, testable, repeatable, unambiguous, evidence, that sky-daddy is real. If you can’t, then don’t be surprised if educated people point out to you that it’s all a product of ancient superstition.

    Have fun being offended but, put in the work, and you’ll find that being educated is so much more enjoyable.

  27. on 14 Mar 2012 at 8:02 pm 27.Xtians like X said …

    The X in Xtian (from X, Chi, in Greek, the first letter of Christ, which in Greek ???????) stands for Christ, dipshit. No self-respecting Christian can get upset about seeing Xtian.

  28. on 14 Mar 2012 at 8:03 pm 28.Xtians like X said …

    Aww… boo… can’t import Greek onto the WWGHABlog.
    ???????…
    Chi-rho-iota-sigma-tau-omicron-sigma (Christos).

  29. on 14 Mar 2012 at 11:26 pm 29.Matthew Chance said …

    Ok so the Xtian thing was ignorant, but I would like a response to my post about Barrak Obama, since that is the topic of this forum.

  30. on 14 Mar 2012 at 11:34 pm 30.Matthew Chance said …

    My Evidence:

    1. A conscious experience of the Holy Spirit guiding my life
    A. evident by providential events in my life that have moved me forward

    2. Witnessing miracles
    A. I have seen several unexplainable acts of God.

    3. Answered prayers
    B. I talk to God as a friend, and He answers my prayers
    -not answered in the sense of giving me what I want, but answered in the sense of giving me what I need and telling me the truth in situations.

    4. Years of righteous men who if it weren’t for them, you wouldn’t have America and freedom and the ability to post your opposition for the world to see.

    If thats not enough, then I don’t know what to tell ya. You believe in quarks, atoms, black holes, yet you do not believe in that which is in your own heart.

  31. on 15 Mar 2012 at 12:25 am 31.Lou (DFW) said …

    30.Matthew Chance said …

    “If thats not enough, then I don’t know what to tell ya.”

    And therein lies your problem. You have nothing but faith. So here’s the only thing you can tell us – you have no actual evidence of your imaginary god. See how easy that was to dispense with all of your rambling nonsense?

    “You believe in quarks, atoms, black holes, yet you do not believe in that which is in your own heart.”

    First of all, there is evidence of all those things. They aren’t personal experiences that someone told you about.

    Second, so what? How are those things relevant to the fact that you have no evidence for your imaginary god?

  32. on 15 Mar 2012 at 12:26 am 32.Lou (DFW) said …

    29.Matthew Chance said …

    “Ok so the Xtian thing was ignorant…”

    So is everything else that you wrote.

    “…but I would like a response to my post about Barrak Obama, since that is the topic of this forum.”

    And you also have a reading comprehension problem.

  33. on 15 Mar 2012 at 12:29 am 33.Lou (DFW) said …

    25.Matthew Chance said …

    “Oh, and Lou, my evidence is my experience, just as yours is for your belief.”

    Blatantly false. Your “experience” isn’t evidence of anything, except perhaps delusion.

  34. on 15 Mar 2012 at 12:30 am 34.Probably Chance said …

    I don’t think your post about the president (spelled Barack, by the way) made any sense, so no one commented. It’s based upon a quote you made up. What response do you want? Way to make up a quote that doesn’t make any sense and doesn’t seem to actually sound like something Obama would say, I guess.

    Your evidence:
    1. Subjective. Universally available and equally confirmative of any view–Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Flying Spaghetti Monster, atheist, belief that Paula Abdul loves me, etc.

    2. Um… examples? Bear in mind that “I can’t explain it” doesn’t imply “it can’t be explained.” You might want to read David Hume on Miracles and Anatole France’s little essay entitled “Miracle.”

    3. Um.. Does God talk back (presumably to tell you the truth)? In whose voice does God talk back to you? Does it sound suspiciously like your own, or maybe like Morgan Freeman’s?

    4. Righteous men do not imply anything about God. Righteous men prove that men can be righteous, by which we mean good, not righteous in the religious sense.

    There is actual evidence, physical evidence, for quarks and black holes. Atoms have actually been observed with electron microscopes. My heart pumps blood; it doesn’t think. I think you mean to say that I don’t trust my temporal lobes and anterior cingulate cortex, but I do trust those–and understand them to be part of my biology instead of an indication of supernatural powers.

  35. on 15 Mar 2012 at 12:34 am 35.Matthew Chance said …

    Righteousness must have an established standard or else it is relative and therefore subject to whatever rationalization an individual makes. I don’t here a voice audibly, it’s more like an intuitive knowledge derived from the law of parsimony and a conscious connection to God’s will.

  36. on 15 Mar 2012 at 12:36 am 36.Matthew Chance said …

    Hear* just in case my misspelling is ammo for you to call me ignorant to make yourself feel more assured of your lack of belief.

  37. on 15 Mar 2012 at 12:38 am 37.Matthew Chance said …

    And I made that quote up to demonstrate that liberalism aims to lower the standard for everyone to reach, thus devaluing the individualism and determination to overcome that makes America great.

  38. on 15 Mar 2012 at 12:39 am 38.Matthew Chance said …

    Have you seen a quark or a black hole? Or are you relying on inferences based on observation?

  39. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:29 am 39.Lou (DFW) said …

    38.Matthew Chance said …

    “Have you seen a quark or a black hole? Or are you relying on inferences based on observation?”

    Stop trying to be clever, because you aren’t.

    Enough of the b.s. Simply provide evidence for your imaginary god – that’s all that’s required. (Personal experience (anecdotal evidence) is not evidence of a god.)

  40. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:32 am 40.Lou (DFW) said …

    37.Matthew Chance said …

    “And I made that quote up..”

    Along with:

    30.Matthew Chance said …

    “My Evidence:”

  41. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:37 am 41.Matthew Chance said …

    Prove the universe is Random, it seems we are at a logical stalemate. The choice to believe or not to believe is what is in front of you. No proof, no absolutes, just heart and mind and the soul.

  42. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:38 am 42.Matthew Chance said …

    And I’m sorry, I wasn’t trying to be clever. I didn’t realize that you had astrovision.

  43. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:40 am 43.Matthew Chance said …

    If this is a court room, the jury is just gonna make the most comfortable decision to protect their dissonance so they can go home and not. Think about it.

  44. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:46 am 44.Probably Chance said …

    Again with the burden of proof thing with you.

    YOU prove God exists because you claim it. We do not claim it. We wait for proof.

    No one here claimed the universe is random except maybe you. We have no reason to prove that. I don’t even know what you mean by “random” here, since the word is so abused these days, so even if we wanted to chase that red herring, we couldn’t.

    You don’t have to see a thing to prove that it is there, so your analogy to black holes is idiotic, at best.

    Also, I wasn’t using your spelling against you. I tried to be friendly about correcting it, and I didn’t use it to attempt to undermine your position.

    Now… for that proof of God?

  45. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:48 am 45.The Judge said …

    Matthew

    I have weighed the evidence. You win convincingly. There is a God, and there are childish, hate-filled atheists who cannot accept reality. Just more evidence since the Bible speaks of these in great detail.

    Congratulations on the victory Matthew.

  46. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:51 am 46.alex said …

    “Prove the universe is Random, it seems we are at a logical stalemate.”

    we’re not. The universe came out of the FONZ’s ass. how’s that? Stalement? really? as believable as your creator.

  47. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:56 am 47.Lou (DFW) said …

    41.Matthew Chance said …

    “Prove the universe is Random…”

    We didn’t come here and make any claims about the universe being random.

    “…it seems we are at a logical stalemate.”

    No, we aren’t. Again, stop trying to be clever, because you aren’t. You appear to be exactly the opposite.

    Again, either present your evidence for your imaginary god or admit that you have none.

  48. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:58 am 48.Lou (DFW) said …

    43.Matthew Chance said …

    “If this is a court room…”

    It’s not, so stop the idiotic diversions that you use to avoid the fact that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god.

  49. on 15 Mar 2012 at 1:59 am 49.Lou (DFW) said …

    45.The Judge said …

    “Matthew”

    Here we go again with the sock-puppets.

  50. on 15 Mar 2012 at 2:06 am 50.ReligionIsStupid said …

    1. A conscious experience of the Holy Spirit guiding my life
    A. evident by providential events in my life that have moved me forward

    Good things happen to people no matter if they do or don’t beleive in gods. Didn’t we already mention this earlier? So far, your first evidence of your god is that normal events occur normally.

    2. Witnessing miracles
    A. I have seen several unexplainable acts of God.

    Yet you don’t actually say what you saw and you claim it to be your god. How do you know it’s simply not that you don’t understand it? When I don’t understand something that’s a learning opportunity, not a reason to resort to superstition. I wonder, was what you experience simply “unlikely” or “unexpected” or was it literally impossible to have occurred without supernatural intervention?

    3. Answered prayers
    B. I talk to God as a friend, and He answers my prayers
    -not answered in the sense of giving me what I want, but answered in the sense of giving me what I need and telling me the truth in situations.

    Answered prayers except that they weren’t really answered, right? Again, no examples, just waffle. And those that were not answered? “Yes, no, or wait?” – were these prayers answered in a way that was impossible without supernatural intervention or, again, just examples of what happens anyway?

    4. Years of righteous men who if it weren’t for them, you wouldn’t have America and freedom and the ability to post your opposition for the world to see.

    Huh? This doesn’t make sense.

    If thats not enough, then I don’t know what to tell ya. You believe in quarks, atoms, black holes, yet you do not believe in that which is in your own heart.

    Having seen the evidence for what literally is in my own heart that’s a rash statement indeed. I could interpret that differently as take it as some nonsense about “really loving your non-existent god” but I seem to recall that you think it arrogant when you’re told what you are feeling. It’s different when you do it, perhaps?

    “Funny” thing though. With all this rhetoric, we’re still waiting for an actual concrete example of your god. It’s easy to understand that failing when you realize that he’s just in your imagination.

  51. on 15 Mar 2012 at 2:17 am 51.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Prove the universe is Random, it seems we are at a logical stalemate. The choice to believe or not to believe is what is in front of you. No proof, no absolutes, just heart and mind and the soul.

    The stalemate is one that exists only in your imagination. You have the burden of proof and you need to flesh our your statements. Making up shit and then demanding people prove it is a really pathetic diversion.

    I’ve explained this to you before. It’s not a question of deciding what to “believe”, it’s a question of what is real.

    Next, FFS, will you make your mind up about truth and absolutes and proof etc? You seem to argue for different things depending on what suits you at the time. So now you are saying that there is no proof? Then how on earth can you claim your god exists? You’re all over the place with this argument.

    Finally, until you prove otherwise, there is no such thing as a “soul”. Ideas do not come from the mind, they come from the brain. Please learn some biology at the same time as you start on your science education.

  52. on 15 Mar 2012 at 2:18 am 52.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Sorry, my mistake, Above, I meant to say ideas do not come from the heart – they come from the mind and the brain,

  53. on 15 Mar 2012 at 2:38 am 53.Matthew C said …

    “You don’t have to see a thing to prove that it is there, so your analogy to black holes is idiotic, at best.”

    Wow really, we agree on something.

    We weren’t talking about ideas we were talking about beliefs which do come from the heart.

    “Don’t become so well-adjusted to your culture that you fit into it without even thinking. Instead, fix your attention on God. You’ll be changed from the inside out.”
    -Romans 12:2

    This isn’t a matter of prooving an idea, not even justifying a belief. It is a matter of relationship with God or the lack thereof. Either way, logic is in the eye of the beholder.

  54. on 15 Mar 2012 at 2:45 am 54.alex said …

    “-Romans 12:2″ ..oh goody, we’re doing jokes.

    Deuteronomy 23:1-2

  55. on 15 Mar 2012 at 2:57 am 55.Matthew C said …

    Thank God for Jesus, you guys will see the light eventually. By choice or by death, I’m done with this discussion on supernatural concepts that is limited to natural reasoning. If you guys want to consult your conscious and your spirit and have a REAL conversation about humanity, email me. matthew_chance@baylor.edu.

    I’ll leave you guys to confirm your disbelief by attacking those of us who have managed to hold on to our faith through relationship and communion with God.

    You’ll never find the light if your looking in the darkness.

    Enjoy your ignorance, because,

    “Everything that has a beginning has an end, Mr. Anderson.”

  56. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:05 am 56.Boz said …

    Probably Chance,

    Hi “Religion is Stupid”/DPK. Stick with your other two personalities. Your panties are showing!

  57. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:08 am 57.Boz said …

    Matthew

    Got Baylor in my elite 8. Great school, one of my best friends attended there.

  58. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:12 am 58.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Alex, I love standup and the bible is full of good material: Leviticus 26:29

  59. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:13 am 59.alex said …

    “you guys will see the light eventually”

    correction, you guys will see the dark eventually.

    “I’ll leave you guys to confirm your disbelief”

    I don’t have to confirm anything. Where is the proof.
    hey! hey! where’d you go?

  60. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:20 am 60.alex said …

    now, you got me started.

    numbers 22:21-34
    my favorite, then the bears that mauled the kids.

  61. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:21 am 61.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Matthew you go to a Xtian university and you can’t even present one cohesive argument for the existence of your god?

    Sad, doesn’t even come close to describing your fail right now.

  62. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:34 am 62.Lou (DFW) said …

    55.Matthew C said …

    “I’ll leave you guys to confirm your disbelief by attacking those of us who have managed to hold on to our faith through relationship and communion with God.”

    Good riddance.

    “You’ll never find the light if your looking in the darkness.”

    That’s all you have to offer, two-cent cliches?

    “Everything that has a beginning has an end, Mr. Anderson.”

    Oh, that’s not all – movie quotes, too?! I’ bet Baylor is proud of you.

  63. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:40 am 63.Boztonian said …

    56.Boz said …

    ‘Probably Chance,

    Hi “Religion is Stupid”/DPK. Stick with your other two personalities. Your panties are showing!’

    Good try, Boz, but, as usual, wrong.

    I’m the one that keeps making up names to make fun of one of your names: Boztonian, Probably Chance, Curminator, F-in-A-14 Tomcat, etc.

    Good to see you’re as sharp as usual. The people who call you out for making sock puppets aren’t the puppets. If you see a name on here making fun of one of your names, it’s probably me.

  64. on 15 Mar 2012 at 5:41 am 64.Anti-Boztonian said …

    Hi Bozotonian

    Wrong agent zero. I am the one making up names to make fun of you.

    You panties are showing Boztonian, Probably Chance, Curminator, F-in-A-14 Tomcat, DPK, RIS. You are all the same. The name is immaterial.

    If you see a name on here making fun of any of your names, it is probably me.

    I look forward to the showdown sock-puppeteer.

  65. on 15 Mar 2012 at 6:20 am 65.Severin said …

    38.Matthew Chance said …
    “Have you seen a quark or a black hole? Or are you relying on inferences based on observation?”

    Bullshit!

    Have you seen the oxygen you breath?

  66. on 15 Mar 2012 at 11:06 am 66.Matt said …

    Thanks for the love Boz, RG3 did some thesis work together last year before he became a celebrity.

    Sorry for the discontent I stirred up others. I just wanted to make sure you guys had all viewpoints on this topic accurately displayed in your blog, afterall that is all they are, viewpoints. It is only fair that each one is portrayed accurately.

    My purpose is accomplished, I don’t have time to mess with a blog that adds no value to my life. Go enjoy the beauty of life and stop hatin on people who believe differently than you.

  67. on 15 Mar 2012 at 11:06 am 67.Matt said …

    RG3 and I* sorry it’s late/early. Pulled an all-nighter designing an app. lol

  68. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:01 pm 68.Prob said …

    Suddenly “prove that what you’re talking about makes sense if you expect anyone to believe it or respect decisions you make because of it” is “hating on people who believe differently from you.” Sigh.

  69. on 15 Mar 2012 at 3:11 pm 69.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Ironically, it’s the constant backtracking, evasion, and attempts to portray rational thought as “hating” from the theists, that underlines for me how much a blight on society relgion actually is.

  70. on 15 Mar 2012 at 6:23 pm 70.Matt said …

    I don’t want your believe or respect. I just wanted to make sure my relationship with the Lord was expressed for all of those indecisive minds who scroll through here. Wouldn’t want them to be suaded hook, line, and sinker because you guys are limited to time and space and linear thought processes.

  71. on 15 Mar 2012 at 6:25 pm 71.Matt said …

    if hates not the motivation behind this forum then what is? Uncertainty? Validation?

  72. on 15 Mar 2012 at 6:26 pm 72.Matt said …

    I’m not backtracking, I just can’t reason with someone who is bound to solely logic. If you cannot acknowledge your human element, then I might as well be talking about this to Siri.

  73. on 15 Mar 2012 at 6:27 pm 73.Matt said …

    I don’t start forums attacking atheist, and I don’t know many of my brothers or sisters in Christ who do. We are out helping people and making a difference.

  74. on 15 Mar 2012 at 6:32 pm 74.Prob said …

    Most forums exist, Matt, to discuss topics. This is a series of comments after a blog post, at the top of the page. Usually, those are to discuss the blog post. Theists usually come here and want to do that by pointing out that the OP is wrong because it made Baby Jesus cry. We say “who is this baby Jesus?” Then we’re hating and seeking self-validation.

  75. on 15 Mar 2012 at 6:55 pm 75.DPK said …

    Spreading ignorance and superstition is not “helping people”.
    I just read an article in Nat Geo about a tribe in Ethiopia that paints their children with limestone paint and ritually scars them to ward off evil spirits. They also kill babies that the tribal elders declare are possessed.
    To me, your backwards and ignorant beliefs in imaginary beings and gods who “guide your life” and “answer your prayers” while at the same time allows innocent people to starve, suffer and die in unspeakable conditions… who stands by as priests molest children, tornados destroy entire families and towns, and watches as tsunamis and earthquakes kill tens of thousands, is no different.
    Answer this… why are you so special that this “god” has revealed himself to YOU, and not to me? Why does he favor YOU, while at the same time allow children to die of malnutrition? Why does he guide YOUR life, but not the person next to you? You are not only delusional, your are narcissistic beyond imagination.

  76. on 15 Mar 2012 at 7:19 pm 76.Matt said …

    I’m not so special to Him, I just have opened my eyes in order to see. I don’t wait to be convinced to open my eyes. You said yourself, you need evidence in order to believe. I believe in order to understand, and therefore the Lord guides me. He would you too if you’d open your bible, and start honestly opening your heart to the Lord.

    And seriously, Ethiopia? A little irrelevant, Christians don’t scar their children and they sure aren’t delusional.

    And this goes back to the original topic, if the world was a playpin, then I’d expect child safety measures to be taken. A co-existence corrupted free wills that are inclined to self inevitably results in damage and destruction. God doesn’t interfere, He intervenes. And these things aren’t as harsh to the Christian who knows that the Lord has them in eternity. It’s you atheist who dramaticize the temporal and act as if eternity does not exists.

    3 Questions that led me to Christianity:

    1. Are you convicted to be a better ______ in your life and relationships?

    Yes, all the time. A better son, a better brother, a better student, a better teacher. Overall I want to care about others more that I do.

    2. Are you able to satisfy that conviction?

    Not all the time, in fact, if I was judged by my ability to meet my convictions requirements then I would not be in very good standing.

    3. Do you feel you need Grace to motivate you to continue to strive for what you cannot attain?

    Definitely, otherwise I would give up or shift focus after just a few failures.

    No science, no logic, just soul-searching. In the end, I am who I will be left with, and what I believe will determine my experience of eternity.

  77. on 15 Mar 2012 at 7:29 pm 77.Matt said …

    I believe in the one true God, Yahweh, the Great I AM, Father, Friend, Closer than a Brother, and more loving than a mother.

    I believe in His son Jesus, and His gift of Grace to the world so that I may continue to pursue my convictions without the discouragement of condemnation.

    And I believe in the Holy Spirit, which is the conscious guide that is developed through communion with God.

    The largest charitable organizations in the world are Christian. Red Cross, Salvation Army, Operation Blessing, Operation Christmas Child, Semaritan Purse, Catholic Charities and mission after mission. I could go on all day. They are the first to respond to disasters and problems in the world. Have you ever been cared for in a CHRISTIAN hospital? They care for people regardless of whether they believe or not.

    Let us imagine a world without Christ, He never came. Describe that world for me please?

  78. on 15 Mar 2012 at 7:42 pm 78.Jesus Vs. Religion said …

    Why I hate religion, but I love Jesus…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Just watch it and enlighten me with your responses.

  79. on 15 Mar 2012 at 7:43 pm 79.A said …

    “The largest charitable organizations in the world are Christian.”

    That is because Christianity makes a difference in peoples lives. Atheism, well, it makes no difference. It teaches nothing, as even the adherents here claim. They stand for nothing other than hate and they have nothing to defend. It is such a waste of a life.

  80. on 15 Mar 2012 at 8:09 pm 80.Lou (DFW) said …

    76.Matt said …

    “And seriously, Ethiopia? A little irrelevant, Christians don’t scar their children and they sure aren’t delusional.”

    Wow, you are as dense as a bucket of rocks.

  81. on 15 Mar 2012 at 8:11 pm 81.Lou (DFW) said …

    79.A said …

    “Atheism, well, it makes no difference. It teaches nothing, as even the adherents here claim.”

    Show as where an atheist here made such a claim. Unless you do, then you are a liar.

    “They stand for nothing other than hate and they have nothing to defend.”

    Hor, I see you are again on your pathological lying rant about atheists.

    “It is such a waste of a life.”

    And you are a waste of carbon and oxygen.

  82. on 15 Mar 2012 at 8:17 pm 82.Lou (DFW) said …

    77.Matt said …

    “I believe in the one true God…”

    So what?

    “The largest charitable organizations in the world are Christian.”

    One of the most wealthy organizations in the world is xtian – the Catholic Church. Yet it keeps its billions of dollars while allowing children all over the world to starve to death, all while the leaders sexually molest young boys.

    “Have you ever been cared for in a CHRISTIAN hospital? They care for people regardless of whether they believe or not.”

    Because prayer doesn’t work?

    “Let us imagine a world without Christ, He never came. Describe that world for me please?”

    It would be void of all the wars and murders that occurred in the name of your imaginary zombie.

  83. on 15 Mar 2012 at 8:57 pm 83.ReligionIsStupid said …

    It’s a little hard to sum this up as Matt’s arguements are somewhat fluid. But here’s the gist of what Matt seems to be saying:

    Anyone who doesn’t agree with Matt is a hater and close-minded. Matt feels that he, as Christian, is being persecuted for his beliefs. Homosexuality and sex outside of marriage are “sins”.

    Matt has proof that he has a personal relationship with the creator of the universe. His proof is his experience which turns out to be his intuition which, in turn, is a feeling. He won’t actually provide any concrete examples of his miracles. His prayers are answered in a way that sounds like he is simply talking to himself.

    Matt’s god can’t be proven by logic or evidence because his god exists outside of space and time. His god walked and carried on a conversation with Adam, and even today can manifest himself and affect this physical universe whilst simultaneously not existing in this physical universe.

    You can only understand the truth about Matt’s god if you believe it to be true. Matt expects other people to prove his god doesn’t exist while reserving the right to claim that his god isn’t subject to logic or evidence.

    Matt feels that suffering in Ethiopia is irrelevant which is really strange considering Ethiopia is the oldest Christian state in the world.

    Sigh.

  84. on 15 Mar 2012 at 9:26 pm 84.DPK said …

    Matt also feels that he is favored by god while others are not, and that all you have to do to believe in his god is to… well, believe in his god.
    He also is of the opinion that Jesus’ teaching to “love one another” is so profound and deep that humans would never, ever have figured it out by themselves, and needed an infinite intelligence to explain it to us. An infinite, loving intelligence who also demanded a human sacrifice to appease himself for the “sin” of a woman who was tricked by a talking snake. This same benevolent and infinite intelligence who created a place called hell in order to punish, for all eternity, anyone who did not believe in him, or anyone who worships any other gods besides him….. but he loves you.
    Congratulations Matt…. your delusion is so complete you don’t even realize you are talking complete nonsense.

  85. on 15 Mar 2012 at 9:28 pm 85.40 year Atheist said …

    There was an idea floating around that Atheists are more generous and caring than Christians because of some verses removed from the context of the Bible. Oddly this is one of those ideas that can be fact checked, but seems not to have been. Here are some facts regarding Atheist charitable giving vs Christian charitable giving.

    ”One of the most significant differences between active-faith and no-faith Americans is the cultural disengagement and sense of independence exhibited by atheists and agnostics in many areas of life. They are less likely than active-faith Americans to be registered to vote (78% versus 89%), to volunteer to help a non-church-related non-profit (20% versus 30%), to describe themselves as “active in the community” (41% versus 68%), and to personally help or serve a homeless or poor person (41% versus 61%). They are also more likely to be registered to vote as an independent or with a non-mainstream political party.

    One of the outcomes of this profile – and one of the least favorable points of comparison for atheist and agnostic adults – is the paltry amount of money they donate to charitable causes. The typical no-faith American donated just $200 in 2006, which is more than seven times less than the amount contributed by the prototypical active-faith adult ($1500). Even when church-based giving is subtracted from the equation, active-faith adults donated twice as many dollars last year as did atheists and agnostics. In fact, while just 7% of active-faith adults failed to contribute any personal funds in 2006, that compares with 22% among the no-faith adults.” Barna Group Poll.

    To recap, Christians give 2:1 more money to charity, not counting church donations, than Atheists give to charity. Three times as many Atheists, per capita, give nothing at all.

    Even some Atheists admit to the problem. These Atheists have set up an Atheist foundation to encourage giving by Atheists:

    “A new foundation in Georgia is urging atheists and secularists to donate more to charity in order to show that their generosity equals that of churchgoers — even if their checkbooks haven’t shown it thus far

    ”The nonreligious are generous and compassionate, but our giving lags behind the religious,” said Dale McGowan, executive director of Foundation Beyond Belief. “It’s time for those of us who are otherwise engaged on Sunday mornings to have our own easy and regular means of giving.”

    The recently formed foundation seeks to “focus, encourage and demonstrate the generosity and compassion of atheists and humanists” and also provide “a comprehensive education and support program” for nonbelieving parents, according to its Web site.

    The foundation has good reason to be concerned — a 2000 survey by the charitable giving group Independent Sector showed that 87.5 percent of all charitable contributions come from religious donors.”
    K. Haus, newsok.com
    This Atheist charitable foundation has collected $6,500 from 250 individuals, a whopping $26 average.

  86. on 15 Mar 2012 at 10:14 pm 86.Severin said …

    79 A
    “That is because Christianity makes a difference in peoples lives. Atheism, well, it makes no difference. „

    Speak only for yourself!
    Atheism can not „make a difference“, because atheism is only an expression for lack of belief, but some atheists (people who have lack of belief, and I would say: majority of them), can and do make differences.
    They care, they suffer when they see suffering of others, they help, …

    So please stop using lies in your correspondence.

  87. on 15 Mar 2012 at 10:20 pm 87.Severin said …

    79 A
    “They (atheists) stand for nothing other than hate and they have nothing to defend.”

    Atheists have nothing to defend.
    But to say such an ugly generalization about their “standing for nothing other than hate” IS hate!

    I am an atheist, and I do not hate anyone, and I never did in my life.
    I would consider myself a hater if I claimed something like: “theists stand for nothing but hate”, which I do not, ever.

    Shame on you, hater!

  88. on 15 Mar 2012 at 10:40 pm 88.40smart&confused said …

    A person’s actions are not proportional to their belief system of God or no-god. It never has been. Any person has the potential to be corrupted from the world for any number or reasons. In fact, we are all self-serving. We do something because either we think it will make us feel good (i.e. feeding a homeless person) or, at that particular time we do something that is wrong but our impulses overtake us (i.e. cheating on our spouse). Of course that is really over-simplified.

    My point is we do not know if there is an after-life or this time on earth is it. When we are really forced to think about our own mortality we choose one or the other. Most people are scared of death deep-down inside and I have seen this from my patient’s. I do not have a straight answer for them and it haunts me. I am highly educated and yet I feel like an idiot.

    I have read through this blog and seen people attack eachother for their beliefs over and over and this is sad. Most people are SURE God exists but I just don’t know.

    I want to believe in God and I have tried to pray for my patient’s but I do not know if it did anything.

    I am not here to steer any person away from what they want to believe as that is up to them. What I try and do is take evidence and examine it as correctly and capably as possible. Unfortunately, what I am seeing from any and every blog out there is people will do what they want, say what they want, believe what they want.

    If you go to a Creationist site or Evolutionist site you get one-sided arguments over and over again. I have attempted to give equal weight and make a decision but it is impossible to know. However, to say God is imaginary to a 10 year old who just lost his mother to cancer would be devastating. So, what we say is “I don’t know what happens when you die” because that gives us some solace but we just don’t know. Do we?

    People need to stop quoting others and think for themselves. People trust me with their deepest secrets and yet lie to me and themselves every single day.

    I wanted to add one more point and that is regarding donations. Any person can say that because they go to church (they are Christian) or temple (Jewish) or whatever that this describes them. It’s like saying he works for that company so he is a productive worker. LOL. Just because you are involved in something does not mean you represent them (kinda like a Roman Catholic Mafia hit man). In other words, saying one person is better that another is all relative – money does not equal love, one is neutral but we have given both a quantity – one can be measured, the other cannot.

  89. on 15 Mar 2012 at 10:52 pm 89.DPK said …

    Even IF everything Stan said was true, which it isn’t… how does that prove that ANY of the claims made by christians or other theists about the reality of supernatural gods are true? It doesn’t.
    Yeah, most charitable giving comes from people who claim a religious affiliation… but that’s only because most PEOPLE claim a religious affiliation. Not because atheists are evil. Is that the best you have?
    Christian hospitals??? Really? Do people do medically better at christian hospitals? No. Do christians have different medical outcomes than Muslims, or Hindus, or atheists or agnostics? No. The majority of the prison population in the US are christians or muslims… why is that? If christians have a monopoly on morality and goodness, wouldn’t we expect to see them have statistically lower criminal activities, more successful marriages, less drug and alcohol problems? We don’t. If they have the favor of god, and god answers their prayers and guides their lives… why don’t they do statistically better than non-believers?
    Matt, you are so inundated in your own absolute bullshit you don’t even recognize it.

  90. on 15 Mar 2012 at 11:57 pm 90.MegaByte said …

    40,

    You do know Atheists claim they don’t need God to be good, right? I have never seen atheists put forth any comprehensible definition of good, but let us just assume it is similar to the teachings of Jesus. They tend to claim those.

    They may not need God, but they sure don’t seem to do a lot of good on their own. I think all the money they do get goes to attack crosses on highways, billboard advertisements and court cases. The poor, hungry and downtrodden are way down the list.

  91. on 16 Mar 2012 at 12:30 am 91.40smart&confused said …

    Not really sure how what I said made me employed by a Christian hospital. I also did not say I prayed for a patient because I thought someone was listening. I did not know what else “I” could do. I was looking for answers. I do not have them.

    I also said that I do not think for one second that if a person describes himself as atheist or Christian or w/e, does that show the type of person he is (at all). For some reason, whenever a person makes a comment on here it is blown way out of proportion with anger.

    I do not know the answers but blasting them down with 3 ?’s does not help at all it just show’s how sure you are that you are right. You are correct and that is what matters to you….your ego must really be deep and well-rounded. Oh well.

    I am going to watch the movie Thrive now. I heard it is good documentary and anti-religion, save the planet, etc. I want to see what all the fuss is about. I got it from a converted atheist psychology friend so it’s gotta be good.

  92. on 16 Mar 2012 at 1:26 am 92.Lou (DFW) said …

    89.MegaByte said …

    “I think all the money they do get goes to attack crosses on highways, billboard advertisements and court cases.”

    Speaking of court cases, how many billions of dollars has the Catholic Church paid out in molestation retribution?

  93. on 16 Mar 2012 at 1:50 am 93.DPK said …

    And how many millions get spent on lobbyists trying to limit people’s access to contraception, trying to get creationism taught as science, campaigning against the horror of condom use in AIDS riddled Africa… and who do you think would be screaming the loudest if they tried to have quotations from the Koran posted in federal courthouses, or if witnesses were asked to swear an oath on the Koran?
    Now ask yourself, if some atheist… like say, Bill Gates, decided to give 98% of his personal wealth to charity… would that, in your judgement make atheism true? If not, then why do you bring up that point in a discussion about christianity? To divert attention from the fact that your beliefs are nothing but archaic, superstitious nonsense with no basis in reality.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/08/us-wealth-gates-philanthropy-idUSTRE72668V20110308

  94. on 16 Mar 2012 at 2:04 am 94.40smart&confused said …

    Wait a second there. I am in no way a proponent of the Catholic Church one bit but what you are doing is saying everyone in the Catholic Church is essentially evil? You are talking about that place as a group. Do you really think that what a few (probably alot more I realize) did states that everyone else is evil that has any affiliation with it.

    Let me give you a scenario. You work for Firestone and do a good job. Someone made a human error and tires were shipped out which resulted in loss of life. You advertise your tires, they travel many miles on many vehicles, people die and you have to pay out money to victims. You work for Firestone – are you evil?

    Remember, we are all just human. We make mistakes.

    I want to give you another scenario. I have been analyzing godisimaginary.com and I noticed a few ideas that just hit me. I don’t know why. I was raised Lutheran, left the church, came back and left the church again. The reason I did this was I could not understand why there was so many contradictions in the Bible. I am still going through this. The Bible is not perfect as it was written by man and supposedly inspired by God. I don’t know much about Hebrew but from what I had read they did not use vowels or spacing on early writings (i could be wrong but hey i am human).

    Recently. we had a medical questionnaire that we wanted translated into Spanish. We have numerous people who speak spanish so we had multiple people each do a section. When it was all put together we thought we were done. However, when we had it all together several of them looked through it and could not interpret/understand the Spanish that someone else translated. Now, I have heard that Spanish is one of the easier languages to translate/interpret so why did people have problems? Maybe that is the reason that so many people do not understand the Bible, I dunno.

    What I find funny is when someone is translating something and there is no word for what they are wanting to say so they go “it’s kinda like ” and then they go on with the message.

    I am still learning. I don’t have the answers but will keep searching.

  95. on 16 Mar 2012 at 2:13 am 95.Lou (DFW) said …

    89.MegaByte said …

    “You do know Atheists [sic] claim they don’t need God to be good, right?”

    Nobody does – neither atheists nor theists.

    “I have never seen atheists put forth any comprehensible definition of good, but let us just assume it is similar to the teachings of Jesus. They tend to claim those.”

    Claim them no? Live by them, probably. And you are mistaken about the “teachings of Jesus.” If anybody claimed those after the fact, it was Jesus, if he in fact existed.

    BTW – Warren Buffet, Gates’ partner in charity, is agnostic.

  96. on 16 Mar 2012 at 3:17 am 96.Prob said …

    82.Lou (DFW) said …

    ’77.Matt said …

    “The largest charitable organizations in the world are Christian.”

    One of the most wealthy organizations in the world is xtian – the Catholic Church. Yet it keeps its billions of dollars while allowing children all over the world to starve to death, all while the leaders sexually molest young boys.’

    I read just last night how the Vatican justifies hoarding so much wealth. Apparently, the opulence of the Vatican is supposed to give believers a view of what heaven is going to be like. Bat. shit. crazy.

  97. on 16 Mar 2012 at 6:32 am 97.Severin said …

    89 Megabyte
    “The poor, hungry and downtrodden are way down the list.”

    You see, people, what religion can make of a human being?! It sometimes transforms a normal human being to hater and liar.
    You, MB, are obviously a hater of anything dissimilar to you, who makes up ugly things to blacken someone you don’t like, and to somehow justify your own toxic delusion.

    You may drop dead of helpless hate, but many atheists ARE good people.
    If you consider statistics, then you can see that MOST of them are MUCH better people than majority of theists.
    Anyway, I would never use ugly and dark generalizations you use to blacken people that differ from you by their opinion.

    How many times I wrote about myself, my family, and the huge number of atheists I personally know, who are GOOD PEOPLE whatever criterion you take to measure our goodness.
    Religion did not ruined my felling for god and bad, wrong and right, as it obviously ruined yours. My moral code works perfectly.
    I DO help people a lot, and ALL atheists I personally know do, too. I mean: A LOT.
    However, we never ask for religion of people we help, so our help goes probably also to some Muslim children too.
    During the local wars in my country (mostly RELIGIOUS wars!), many atheists, including myself, helped orthodox Christians and Muslims to save their lives, risking their own lives. At the same time religious people brutally killed each other in name of their gods.

    Would you risk your life to save a Muslim?
    I doubt.
    You are a hater, unfortunately. Wake up and start loving people. It is much better feeling.

  98. on 16 Mar 2012 at 6:38 am 98.Severin said …

    89 Megabyte
    “I have never seen atheists put forth any comprehensible definition of good, …”

    I have never in my life see any definition of good, comprehensible or incomprehensible, said, written or told by a theist, by a religious book or by officials of any religion.

    Can you kindly help me and point to ONE?!

    “Good is ….???”

    Please do NOT let me uninformed!!!

  99. on 16 Mar 2012 at 7:17 am 99.Severin said …

    89 Megabyte

    Speaking about human deeds, I would say that good is something that reduces sufferings and induces nicer feelings and positive sensations of other people.
    I do not have better definition, but if I do something that will cause someone else to suffer less and to feel better (feel safer, more protected, not hungry, not cold, more healthy/less ill, maybe even feel some joy, maybe even smiles …), it must be good, it can’t be bad/wrong.

    I feel physically happy, I feel real joy in my whole body when I induce such feelings and sensations in another human being, in any situation, but especially when I know they were not as happy before I did something to make them a little bit happier.

    Now you: WHAT IS GOOD, defined by theists?

  100. on 16 Mar 2012 at 12:49 pm 100.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Well, it’s unlikely that Hor as whatever sock-puppet he feels like using will answer so let’s try.

    Good to a theist seems to be something that they do to spread their religion and in order to gain entry into heaven and not be punished by being sent to hell. Good, in the case of an atheist as evinced by Severin, is something that you do to help other people in the name of humanity.

    The theist acts are conditioned on a belief system based on reward and punishment. The atheist action stems from the same place as does morality; we’re all sentient beings who are capable of understanding and responding to the needs of others.

    In the end, of course, there are no such things as gods, so the carrot and stick for the theist is superfluous. Perhaps two-thousand years ago people needed a threat from the “gods” in order to act on other people’s behalf. Fortunately, we’ve come a long way since then, although the anger against non-believers that we see here makes one wonder sometimes.

    As Severin notes, there are various studies that demonstrate that humans experience positive emotions from altruistic acts. Chimpanzees have been shown to exhibit altruistic behavior too. That’s another plus for evolution and another nail in the coffin of religion.

  101. on 16 Mar 2012 at 1:16 pm 101.DPK said …

    Well put and very true RIS.
    It is curious to note that the theist here claim that god provides them an “absolute morality” that is required in order to know what is good and what is not, yet, they cannot even agree among themselves on what this “absolute” morality is. Case in point, some christians wish to deny homosexuals the right to wed, others claim Jesus’ love is all encompassing and welcome gays to their flock with open arms. Some claim children are to be protected, others have no problem with marrying a 12 year old girl off to a 40 year old man. Pre-emancipation, many a good christian owed slaves and (rightfully so) pointed to the bible as justification for god’s acceptance of slavery as morally ok. Some christians say contraception is wrong, but most christians use it and realize that such ridiculous thinking is ignorant and foolish and that there is nothing “immoral” about the responsible use of birth control.
    So, where does that put the “absolute morality” of god, or the bible? Right back in the category of “relative morality” that humanists understand, but theists seem to detest so much. Another irony in the endless pile of contradictions that is “faith”.

  102. on 16 Mar 2012 at 1:37 pm 102.Lou said …

    @40 Year Atheist

    Those statistic are pathetic. I’m not sure if this egocentrism isrism and their giving to charity is paltry too.

  103. on 16 Mar 2012 at 1:40 pm 103.Lou said …

    Repost:

    @40 Year Atheist

    Those statistic are pathetic. I’m not sure if this egocentrism is as result of the atheism or the liberalism. Mayb there is no distinction. Liberals exhibit the same egocentrism and their giving to charity is paltry too.

  104. on 17 Mar 2012 at 12:55 am 104.40smart&confused said …

    You realize that when one group takes over another in battle, war, etc., it was customary for the group who “won” (I do not really want to use that word that way but not sure how else to say it) to do no harm to those who did not necessarily wage battle (or wanted to wage battle or innocent or w/e). Therefore, those people who were slaves or servants or w/e could after a certain amount of time regain their freedom.

    Which makes more sense to you? – Let’s say you are with an army and you have just enough food for your army and you overtake another group (maybe you outgrew your lands or they attacked innocent people of your village, i dunno). They have nothing to eat. So, you either kill them or let them starve slowly – that is killing either way? No, you take care of them and protect them as your own. They are indebted to you and it is up to you to either let them go or stay for w/e amount of time you want. Laws were attempted t/o history to try and put a time onto how long you had to care for them but I really do not know how successful that was. However, the way we look at it is slavery from an American or Roman perspective where slaves were treated as less than ANYONE else.

    I do not know if I am right or wrong but it appears that the Bible does not condone slavery as it says to protect those who become your slave (or indebted to you). Read the passages and make your own decision. {I am still trying to figure this stuff out for myself to, not dissuade anyone but giving any facts I can find}

    In this day and age let’s say that you have 4 kids and you and your spouse lost your jobs. If there was someone who would give you a place to stay and fed you but you had to work for them are you now not a slave of theirs? In a way you are (a slave) as you are indebted to them but you would do it gladly to keep your family alive. The reason we do not say you are a SLAVE to them is b/c you aren’t beaten and belittled. In fact, in the US you still must give a wage or you are breaking the law!

    This does not matter if your boss (or owner) is Christian, Agnostic or Atheist does it? In a way we are all slaves as we must work to live and protect ourselves and our families, we must have the latest things, the best cars/schools/whatever. Is that a bad thing? I think any time a thing becomes more important than a person we are heading for trouble. Christians may think that an Atheist is bad b/c they do not believe in a God. I do not think that moral character is in any way related to any of those above affiliations. Inherently, we all know what is right and wrong but attacking the Bible on slavery seems pretty pointless as you really need to put yourself in their shoes to really understand what it was all about. You can’t, nobody can. All you can do is try and imagine what you would do.

    Being a science-background person (medicine) I find it hard to “pick a side” so the areas that really have me stumped are not the immediate gratification of “hey God, why don’t you heal an amputee?” and when He doesn’t you say “well He must not exist.” If you imagine that life is all about balance you cannot have heavy rains in one area without a drought in the other so having two farmer’s “pray” for rain is pointless.

    What really gets me is sex. I just do not understand why we have males and females. It makes no sense to me at all. Both parties (Evolutionists and Creationists) will give their own interpretation but neither is confirmable. Any person who says they have the answer DOES NOT KNOW, they are just regurgitating a theory not a fact. blah blah blah God made man and woman…No, we evolved to go from a completely easy, highly-efficient, asexual reproductive process to a slow, risky, inefficient sexual process…

    This is the one that gets me…not the slavery issue, not the contradictions in the Bible as this was written by multiple non-perfect men and inspired by a perfect being…we are all confused and no matter what will not know the answer until we are dead and then it will not matter, or will it?

  105. on 17 Mar 2012 at 5:52 am 105.Severin said …

    Megabyte

    How long shall we wait to hear from you theist definition of good?

    My dog shits everywhere, and, as I am responsible for him, I clean after him.

    Whom you expect to clean your bullshits?

  106. on 17 Mar 2012 at 3:05 pm 106.Lou (DFW) said …

    104.Severin said …

    “Megabyte

    How long shall we wait to hear from you theist definition of good?”

    Who really cares? What I’m waiting for is their evidence for their imaginary god. But MB, Lou, etc., hide from the fact that they don’t have any, lying about atheists while making petty arguments about who donates the most money to charities. If their imaginary god actually existed, then such donations wouldn’t be necessary in the first place.

  107. on 17 Mar 2012 at 3:42 pm 107.A said …

    “if some atheist… like say, Bill Gates, decided to give 98% of his personal wealth to charity… would that, in your judgement make atheism true?”

    I thought atheism wasn’t a belief system but here we have DPK referring to it as a belief???? These cats are the most confused and flaky bunch I have ever encountered. They don’t know what they believe.

  108. on 17 Mar 2012 at 7:00 pm 108.DPK said …

    You are an idiot and a liar. First, I said no such thing. Secondly, way to miss the point completely. Or, are you simply conceding the idiotic assertion that the amount of charitable contributions is somehow related to the reality of your claims about the existence of gods and other mythical creatures… Which IS intact, a belief system,

  109. on 17 Mar 2012 at 9:00 pm 109.A said …

    “First, I said no such thing.”

    Yes you did. You are very confused. Oh no, you called me an idiot. That hurts.

  110. on 17 Mar 2012 at 10:58 pm 110.DPK said …

    Show me where I said “atheism is a belief system” and I will apologize for calling you a liar. Since you cannot, the evidence speaks for itself. As for you being an idiot, nothing I can do about that. Someone who completely misses the point of a discussion and then continues to comment on it in a completely irrelevant manner is by definition, idiotic.

  111. on 29 Apr 2012 at 6:35 am 111.John said …

    A person believing he has enough knowledge to deny the possibility in the existence of any god is not a belief system, it’s just the narcissism of man.

    You know atheism has a stellar reputation for creating Utopias? For those with the synaptic flow density of Iridium, that was sarcastic.

  112. on 29 Apr 2012 at 8:31 am 112.Lou(DFW) said …

    111.John said …

    “A person believing he has enough knowledge to deny the possibility in the existence of any god is not a belief system, it’s just the narcissism of man.”

    Apparently YOU believe that YOU have enough knowledge to make that claim.

  113. on 29 Apr 2012 at 5:45 pm 113.Godless Monkey said …

    John said:

    “You know atheism has a stellar reputation for creating Utopias?”

    Enlighten us. Which country, under any theocratic rule, past or present, would you define as utopic? One where every citizen’s rights, including those that did not ascribe to the prevailing theocracy, were equally upheld and not trampled on by said prevailing theocracy in some way? Pot. Kettle. Black. IMHO.

  114. on 29 Apr 2012 at 9:12 pm 114.An Onimuss said …

    No; you’re wrong. God is most certainly real. If I told you my story, you’d tell me I was lying – and you’d be certain in your conviction. You cannot know and will not know God as your bias leads you by the nose into the blind abyss. Your motive in proving God doesn’t exist is born of ignorance and fear. You don’t know that, nor do you have the capability to understand. This in itself will anger you. You are most vulnerable as you know nothing as to why you exist. Live the paradox and proclaim your nothing. The proof that God exists is beyond your comprehension. Your pea brains are your limiting devices. Lead your pathetic lives in your scientific search of that which will only elude you. We poke fun at idiots too. And that would be you. Are we angry yet as we clamber to reply? Your point? You have none. What a pathetic lot.

  115. on 29 Apr 2012 at 9:47 pm 115.Godless Monkey said …

    BTW, thanks for not sharing your story as it would prove nothing anyway.

    Angry? That seems to be you, kind fellow :) Living in reality really does take the stress off of worrying about that abyss you fret over.

    Pathetic? Depends on how one views sane versus insane. So yes, we can play “I know you are but what am I” all day and both declare ourselves victors. Proves absolutely nothing.

    No one here is suggesting you abandon your delusion, so chillax :)

    It is your brethren that come on here suggesting we abandon reality in favor of fairy tales.

  116. on 01 May 2012 at 5:49 pm 116.John said …

    Okay, I am on a lunch, but I wanted to respond.

    Lou, your worldview is just as wacky as the rest of us. You claim no God… welcome to the straight jacket club. You have to claim all knowledge to say that God doesn’t exist… don’t answer… think…

    Godless…
    atheism not creating Utopias… go to Google… Christian societies not creating Utopias… go to Google… Figure it out… use your mind and understand the message of Christ for my consistent view on why this happens…

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