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Christianity &Rationals Thomas on 18 Feb 2012 02:25 pm

The funny thing about Christianity – it may make people less moral, not more

The Christians we see on the public stage (politicials, mega-church pastors, the Pope and his underlings, etc.) are fond of suggesting that Christians are better because they have better morals than others. Conversely they suggest that non-Christians are less moral because they do not follow the Christian God. Is this true? This short piece from The Week demonstrates otherwise:

 The Truth About Secular America

American culture is sick, and secularism is the cause of our disease. That, said Steve Chapman, is the contention of religious conservatives like presidential candidate Rick Santorum, who insist that feminists, liberals, and gay marriage have undermined traditional morality, and that only a return to our Christian roots will cure what ails us. But all evidence suggests that this view is not only backward—it’s wrong.

As America has become more secular in recent decades, “most indicators of moral and social health have gotten better, not worse.” Crime has plummeted. Teen pregnancy is down by 39 percent. Divorce rates are dropping. Abortion rates among adolescents are half what they used to be.

Which states continue to have the biggest social problems? The Bible Belt states, not the supposedly sin-ridden blue states. Mississippi has the nation’s highest rate of church attendance, and also the highest murder rate. Liberal Vermont’s murder rate, on the other hand, is 25 percent of the national average. Massachusetts, the first state to legalize gay marriage, has the nation’s lowest divorce rate. So please, spare us “the sanctimonious fairy tales.” Secular America is doing just fine.

Want to make America better? One way might be to abandon Christianity. It does not seem to be helping.

209 Responses to “The funny thing about Christianity – it may make people less moral, not more”

  1. on 05 Mar 2012 at 8:29 pm 1.Xenon said …

    “you don’t even realize it’s nonsense.”

    No problem there. When I see Lou or DPK linked to a post I instinctively label it nonsense.

    I don’t blame you, I recognize your limitations. You are not capable of discussion, only ridicule to bolster your low self-esteem.

    Chin up Lou and DPK.

  2. on 05 Mar 2012 at 11:44 pm 2.Lou (DFW) said …

    201.Xenon (aka Hor) said …

    “You are not capable of discussion, only ridicule to bolster your low self-esteem.”

    As opposed to making unfounded personal attacks like the one you just made?

    Hor, do you still not see what it is that reveals your identity?

  3. on 06 Mar 2012 at 2:28 am 3.Lou (DFW) said …

    201.Xenon (aka Hor) said …

    200.DPK said …“you don’t even realize it’s nonsense.”

    “No problem there. When I see Lou or DPK linked to a post I instinctively label it nonsense.”

    As DPK wrote, “So there you have it folks.” When a comment from Hor, one of his sock-puppets, or one of his ilk is actually analyzed and succinctly replied to, Hor replies by shooting the messenger. But, other than to admit that the comment has validity, that’s about all he has to offer.

  4. on 14 Mar 2012 at 12:18 pm 4.Matthew Chance said …

    I’m curious as to what is the motivation behind all this debate and argument over a dimension that we are not even capable of conceiving. Of course God is imaginary to the non-believer, but to the Christian the myth becomes a reality through experience and relationship with the Lord. Go ahead try it, open a bible and say an honest prayer about whatever pressing issue is on your heart right now. I guarantee you if your heart isn’t too hardened to accept the Lord’s conviction and act on it, it will lead you to the solution of the toughest of issues.

    Christ never told us to defend our beliefs, He simply said spread the good news and ignore the haters. It’s a pretty sweet deal, I’m not sure what causes someone to reject it, but I suspect it is something they are holding on to that they are afraid to let go of. When He says, “Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men” you just gotta drop the fishing nets, jump out the boat, and follow the random dude walking down the beach to see what he is talking about, or you can stay in the boat and see if the fishing is any better than yesterday and rationalize in your head why you made the best decision to stay.

  5. on 14 Mar 2012 at 12:22 pm 5.Matthew Chance said …

    As far as I can tell, it seems like this forum is made up of atheists collectively seeking confirmation of their beliefs by logically attacking followers of Christ who are genuinely attempting to explain their beliefs.

  6. on 14 Mar 2012 at 4:12 pm 6.ReligionIsStupid said …

    So, provide some proof and stop whining already.

  7. on 14 Mar 2012 at 5:24 pm 7.alex said …

    “attacking followers of Christ”

    it’s not whywontChristhealamputees!

    list the genuwine attempts. otherwise, stfu.
    better yet, your own genuwine attempt?

    me atheist don’t have to do shit. i don’t believe in the gods, zeus, christ, or allah. you theists do and others like you do crazy shit in de name of yer god. so stop it! you can do what you want, just leave the rest of the country alone.

  8. on 14 Mar 2012 at 5:35 pm 8.alex said …

    “Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men”

    ..so, how would you know, it’d be the Man? because of his beard and he looks like a caucasian bum? if christ existed, he would have been middle eastern. if christ showed up today, how would you know it’s him.

    ….damn, now that i think about it, even the son of god would have a hard time coming up with the “proof”. unless of course, like somebody suggested, he regenerates somebody’s limb. i guess it would be good enough for me. hail to christ! i’ve been wrong.

    I would prolly try to hurt christ though, just to check.

  9. on 14 Mar 2012 at 6:37 pm 9.Asher said …


    You are right. They are angry, scared and lonely. Checking in here provides some great teaching material on those separated from God. I do feel badly for them.

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