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Rationals Thomas on 12 Feb 2012 12:45 am

What Nonbelievers Believe

An interesting article:

What Nonbelievers Believe

It highlights 7 areas:

  • Everything since the Big Bang can be explained naturally – this makes complete sense given that our universe operates exactly as we expect it would if there were no god.

  • We can only speculate about what “caused” the Big Bang – this makes complete sense given that this is how science always operates.

  • Ethics do not require a God – See this article for a complete understanding of the process.

  • Religion is man-made – Everyone can see that. The fact that there are thousands of religions and sub-religions, just like there are thousands of languages and sub-languages, proves it.

  • The God of the Bible is especially implausible – Obvious to any third grader who reads the Bible. See this video for details.

  • The idea of prophecy is even less plausible than a God

  • Only humans can solve human challenges – See this page for details.

23 Responses to “What Nonbelievers Believe”

  1. on 13 Feb 2012 at 12:19 am 1.Hieronymus Fortesque Lickspittle said …

    Good post, thanks! I have enjoyed your videos for years now. Thank you very much for the time and effort they took.

  2. on 13 Feb 2012 at 12:45 am 2.j_lozano713 said …

    I am new here. I just want to say that we rational human beings are not here to bash religious people. We are here to discuss how religion affects our lives. Whether we believe in a god or thousands of gods, it does not matter. People believing in supernatural beings affects us all, religious and non-religous alike. We are explaining the reasons why we do not believe in these fairy tales written by primitive man, thousands of years ago. Up until five-hundred years ago, we thought the Earth was flat. Scientific evidence proved that it was not flat. Then we thought that Earth was the center of the Universe. Science again taught us that we are a tiny “atom” in what seams to be an infinite universe. Everything we have discovered, all the technological advances we have, and everything that makes our lives easier is because of human ingenuity. Giving credit to an imaginary being for these acheivments actually makes us less human. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Have a good weekend.

  3. on 13 Feb 2012 at 8:37 pm 3.Rostam said …

    “Everything since the Big Bang can be explained naturally”

    OK, then naturally, what caused first life to form? Yes, from this point God did establish natural laws to govern nature.

    “Ethics do not require a God”

    Opinion, since ethics can be bad or good and relative.

    “Religion is man-made”

    Absolutely

    “The God of the Bible is especially implausible”

    Opinion, space travel, big bang and first life can also be called implausible.

    “The idea of prophecy is even less plausible than a God”

    More opinion. Jesus fulfilled over 300 OT prophecies.

    “Only humans can solve human challenges”

    When man solves the problems of evil, hopelessness, hate and war then come back with this one.

  4. on 13 Feb 2012 at 10:42 pm 4.alex said …

    I can’t explain why I fart, therefore God must be responsible. Some people say it’s gas, but it’s just an opinion. Can you put it in your car and drive? Nope! God 1 Atheists 0.

    You see, the way it works is, I take a position and you offer another one. I cast even a small doubt on your position and I win. I even resort to asking stupid questions. Case in point:

    I offer Creationism to your Evolution. God cannot possibly look like a monkey, therefore Evolution is just flat-out wrong. God rules, Atheists drool?

  5. on 14 Feb 2012 at 8:14 pm 5.Curmudgeon said …

    “OK, then naturally, what caused first life to form? Yes, from this point God did establish natural laws to govern nature.”

    That is a belief too Rostam. They need to prove it using the modern scientific method.

  6. on 18 Feb 2012 at 9:36 am 6.azreal said …

    surely what characterises non-believers is a lack of belief? I don’t have an answer to all of these questions, but i can’t believe the frankly childish (in my opinion) beliefs put forward by others, particularly concerning creation, begining of the universe etc.

    We simply don’t know what came before the big bang (if we even can assume that it happemned) but not knowing just means that we have to learn more in order to uderstand. It doesn’t mean we have to believe ready made answers pushed by others. All of the theists proposistions are equally as unlikely, or likely if your that way inclined. Is the universe resting on the back of a giant turtle? can you disprove this assertion? Here we go again……

  7. on 18 Feb 2012 at 1:17 pm 7.alex said …

    “surely what characterises non-believers is a lack of belief”.

    useless babbling. here’s mine. what characterises non-whites is their lack of whiteness.

    “We simply don’t know what came before the big bang”.

    ok. so what? you say god did it? prove it. no more passes for you idiots!

    btw. santa clause really lives in the north pole. you’ll just to take my word for it. i get presents all the time….

  8. on 18 Feb 2012 at 1:49 pm 8.azreal said …

    @ Alex. Try reading the post next time. Talk about missing thea point !

  9. on 18 Feb 2012 at 2:15 pm 9.alex said …

    azreal. my bad. no excuse.

  10. on 18 Feb 2012 at 3:09 pm 10.azreal said …

    ok :) no sweat

  11. on 19 Feb 2012 at 12:03 pm 11.Jim said …

    I cannot really fathom how people can put their complete trust in 21st century science. I am playing an on-line war game. I’m level 26 and feeling like I have the mightiest city, all technologies at high levels, and an army that can roll over anyone. Until a level 50 player reduced my city to smithereens.

    So until your precious 21st century science can cure cancer, or achieve warp travel, then there is no reason for me to join your “science religion”.

  12. on 19 Feb 2012 at 12:34 pm 12.azreal said …

    #11. sorry i can’t see your point at all. . Are you claiming that science is a religion? (it isn’t ) or are you saying that you would bean atheist if only science were more advanced? Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity, it is not a belief structure itself. I don’t know why someone would come to this position because of the level of advancement of science?

  13. on 19 Feb 2012 at 12:59 pm 13.alex said …

    >>>>>>So until your precious 21st century science can cure cancer, or achieve warp travel, then there is no reason for me to join your “science religion”.

    Hey Jim, we’re exactly alike! These atheists are full of shit. I too believe in the Mighty Zeus. One of these days, he will send his son Thor to kick some ass. Atheists think they’re so smart, but they don’t know everything. Until they can achieve space travel or split the atom, then maybe I will listen.

  14. on 19 Feb 2012 at 1:48 pm 14.Lou (DFW) said …

    11.Jim said …

    “So until your precious 21st century science can cure cancer, or achieve warp travel, then there is no reason for me to join your “science religion”.

    If only “21st century science” could cure the stupidity of theism and religion…

  15. on 19 Feb 2012 at 3:54 pm 15.ReligionIsStupid said …

    If only “21st century science” could cure the stupidity of theism and religion…

    and of people who claim to be atheists and agnostics yet present theistic arguments

  16. on 19 Feb 2012 at 4:12 pm 16.Lou (DFW) said …

    15.ReligionIsStupid said …

    “If only “21st century science” could cure the stupidity of theism and religion…

    and of people who claim to be atheists and agnostics yet present theistic arguments”

    Please elaborate.

  17. on 19 Feb 2012 at 4:43 pm 17.ReligionIsStupid said …

    Sorry, that wasn’t very clear. Various posters, Jim (above), 40YA etc start off with a claim to be agnostics or atheists then drop straight into arguments from the Christian playbook.

    I’m guessing it’s supposed to be an argument from authority but the fact that they need to label themselves as such is often (but not always) a giveaway that what follows is anything but an argument from the perspective they claim to possess. It’s so transparent yet they do it.

  18. on 19 Feb 2012 at 7:09 pm 18.A said …

    A funny thread. alex gets blasted in the package for not reading. Typical of what he does on all posts. This time it was a brother in no belief.

  19. on 19 Feb 2012 at 7:16 pm 19.alex said …

    When somebody points out my mistake, I’ll be the first to admit it.

    18.A said …

    What’s is the point your’re trying to make. You afraid to say anything? You can always CTRL-C and CTRL-V. Anonymous?

  20. on 22 Feb 2012 at 5:22 pm 20.Alyssa said …

    “So until your precious 21st century science can cure cancer, or achieve warp travel, then there is no reason for me to join your ‘science religion’.”

    ^Can your God cure cancer or achieve warp travel?^

  21. on 22 Feb 2012 at 5:55 pm 21.DPK said …

    “So until your precious 21st century science can cure cancer, or achieve warp travel, then there is no reason for me to join your ’science religion’.”

    he says as he types on a computer connected to a global network……. hahaha

    Until your precious religion can cure cancer, achieve warp travel, or I dunno, do ANYTHING other than pitch snake oil and bronze age superstitions, there’s no REASON for me to believe ANY of it…
    Why can’t these idiots make the connection that even IF there was required an all powerful being to create the universe… would such an intelligence stoop to having himself crucified as an offering to himself to appease himself for our sinful nature? If such a thing as a god exists, we would at the least have to include he is an amazing mathematician and scientist. Would he be so petty as to punish us for eternity for the crime of not believing in, or worshiping him? Really??? Grow the hell up.

  22. on 22 Feb 2012 at 7:22 pm 22.Alyssa said …

    AMEN DPK! Lol

  23. on 22 Feb 2012 at 7:42 pm 23.ReligionIsStupid said …

    “So until your precious 21st century science can cure cancer, or achieve warp travel, then there is no reason for me to join your ’science religion’.”

    Even with gaps in our knowledge, 21st century science is more advanced than 20th century science, being that science builds upon what has already been learned.

    Similarly, 20th century science improves upon 19th century knowledge and so on.

    Not so religion.

    Religion, in this case Christianity, actively seeks not to improve man’s knowledge preferring to remain stagnated in the beliefs and explanations of a group of iron and bronze-age uneducated goat-herders. In this case, we are led to believe that all knowledge of consequence is bound up in a book of myths and legends. Hence, there is no need to look further.

    Now, which of these groups do you think are more likely to cure cancer or achieve warp travel? I’ll give you a hint – it will never, ever, be the goat-herders.

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